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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, It's July twenty third, and today the man

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Speaker 1: to tell us, But will he? And with that, welcome

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Speaker 2: Robes.

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of mystery in the sentencing of Coburger today,

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Speaker 1: But here we are three years later, and we still

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Speaker 3: And as excruciating as it is for the families, the

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Speaker 3: of all together their own impact statements, their own victim

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Speaker 4: This is their first.

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Speaker 3: Chance to directly address Brian Koberger, the man who has

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Speaker 3: something from him. They all want to know what his

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Speaker 3: motive was, and right now no one knows.

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Speaker 1: We all remember the crime was shocking, horrific enough at

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Speaker 1: There was none apparently that we can all tell. But

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Speaker 1: and some were relieved, we don't have to have a trial.

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Speaker 4: And some were upset about it.

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Speaker 1: And some were upset. But this was supposed to be

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Speaker 4: That's right, one legal expert said.

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Speaker 3: Today could be if we did hear from Brian Coberger,

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Speaker 3: and we did hear something, this could be what amounts

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Speaker 3: But let's just take you back to November thirteenth, twenty

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Speaker 3: Ethan Chapin were there in this off campus house. They

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Speaker 3: get up and address Brian Coberger as well, but ultimately

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Speaker 4: They were hoping information would come out in that trial.

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Speaker 1: The trial was going to happen up until a couple

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Speaker 1: They made an attempt in April at least to try

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Speaker 4: Some people want their day in court.

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Speaker 3: And look, this was a bit of a surprise guilty

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Speaker 3: So they were upset that they didn't get their day

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Speaker 4: But they were hoping to.

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Speaker 3: I watched an interview with one of the families who said,

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Speaker 3: I know it sounds macab, but when it's your child

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Speaker 3: that's it.

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Speaker 4: That's where it begins and ends.

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Speaker 1: It's been three years, folks, and so much of what

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Speaker 3: And this is all happening at eleven am Eastern time.

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Speaker 3: This is when the hearing is going to begin, and

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Speaker 4: There is tremendous public interest. They say. There's at least.

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Speaker 3: Fifty people deep waiting in line to get into that

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Speaker 1: I didn't see a list. Is there official count I

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Speaker 3: I just know that they because it's just been they've

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Speaker 4: Hold them back. They will be there and they will

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Speaker 1: Coburger, I think he's been described. Yes he has autism.

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Speaker 1: That was a recent diagnosis, but he has been described

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Speaker 1: It's just he didn't know these kids. He was in

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Speaker 1: I don't have that right, but he was close by.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was going to another school. Why he

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Speaker 1: he going to choose to speak? Folks? We still you

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Speaker 1: remember that case. The first question who is it? It

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Speaker 2: Who is it why? So there is not even I

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Speaker 3: Right, he was a PhD student, so a smart kid.

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Speaker 3: He might have been socially awkward and yes, recently diagnosed

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Speaker 4: It's always the first.

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Speaker 3: Thing families want to know, and frankly, everyone wants to

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Speaker 3: and sometimes there's never an answer, and that's so hard

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Speaker 1: This is completely mind bob. You remember how horrific it

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Speaker 1: there were all kinds of theories about who could it be.

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Speaker 1: You remember the police told people for a while, you

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Speaker 1: They came back later and said, you know what, remember

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Speaker 3: Yeah, They're like, this was a targeted attack. No one

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Speaker 3: Every single parent who sends their child off to college,

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Speaker 1: How many were in that house?

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Speaker 1: Since sleep in the middle of the night, going to

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Speaker 4: He certainly is.

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Speaker 3: He has taken to truth social and he has put

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Speaker 4: About what happened to my child. I do know that.

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Speaker 3: One of the girl's parents said, if he said he

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Speaker 1: It's right, it's the last thing, right before the judge

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Speaker 1: What was the one I'm sorry you said? They said,

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Speaker 1: Where was it? And one of the mothers of the

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Speaker 1: Robes, I did it because blink, and you're just gonna

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Speaker 3: There's no justification what happened to those for young, bright

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Speaker 4: Yet there is no explanation.

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Speaker 1: You don't. Prosecutors have asked you talk about him speaking

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Speaker 3: He said that's not good enough for me. My daughter

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Speaker 1: you as always hanging with us for my partner, Hamy

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Speaker 1: Robot on TJ. Holmes will talk to y'all soon