WEBVTT - Small Tech, Big Deal

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to text Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech. And if you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have listened to tech Stuff or any real length of time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that I talk a lot about how miniaturization

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<v Speaker 1>really changed everything. You could argue it fueled a new

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<v Speaker 1>industrial revolution. So in the early twentieth century, technology like radios, televisions,

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<v Speaker 1>and computers were all bigger because they had to be,

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<v Speaker 1>because the internal components inside these technologies, the things that

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<v Speaker 1>made these technologies work, were themselves much larger. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>you would buy a television that had a tiny ten

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<v Speaker 1>inch screen housed inside a cabinet large enough to be

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<v Speaker 1>a full piece of furniture. The invention of the transistor

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<v Speaker 1>would lead to manturization, and in less than one years

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<v Speaker 1>we would find ourselves holding a device in our hands

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<v Speaker 1>that was vastly more powerful than the massive computers that

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<v Speaker 1>took up entire floors of buildings back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>But what if we keep going down that path. What

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<v Speaker 1>if we were to mantorize things even more? What if

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<v Speaker 1>we could get technology down to a scale so small

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<v Speaker 1>that it would be too tiny for us to see.

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<v Speaker 1>What have we conquered the nano scale? So in today's episode,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to explain what nanotechnology is all about and

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<v Speaker 1>how the idea evolved, and a bit about where we

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<v Speaker 1>are now. We'll also talk about how stuff gets really

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<v Speaker 1>weird when you get really small, which I think any

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<v Speaker 1>toddler would attest to, but I mean, it gets really

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<v Speaker 1>weird when you get really small. In fact, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to get super lucy goosey with the term nanotechnology,

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<v Speaker 1>it gives us a chance to talk about those weird

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<v Speaker 1>things right now. But first a definition. Technically speaking, nanotechnology

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<v Speaker 1>encompasses tech that is on a size scale of one

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<v Speaker 1>d nanometers or smaller down to one nanometer. A nanometer

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<v Speaker 1>is one billionth of a meter. A strand of human

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<v Speaker 1>hair ranges between eighty thousand and one hundred thousand nanometers

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<v Speaker 1>in width. So if you take one of your hairs

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<v Speaker 1>because you can't take mine I'm bald, and you were

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<v Speaker 1>to hold your hair and look at how wide that

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<v Speaker 1>strand of hair is, not how long? How wide? That's

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<v Speaker 1>eight thousand to ten thousand times wider than what we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about here. In addition, we often think of nanotechnology

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<v Speaker 1>today as being a branch of science and tech that

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<v Speaker 1>is exploring the possibility of manipulating matter on the molecular

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<v Speaker 1>or even atomic scale. The classic example of this in

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<v Speaker 1>science fiction is the universal Assembler, a device that can

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<v Speaker 1>construct macro sized objects atom by atom or molecule by molecule.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll cover those in more detail a little bit later,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is sort of how the replicators are on

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<v Speaker 1>Star Trek are supposed to work. Right, You say t

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<v Speaker 1>earl gray hot, and then the device takes all the

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<v Speaker 1>atoms that are necessary to make that, puts them together

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<v Speaker 1>right there when you're waiting, and boom, you have t

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<v Speaker 1>on demand. But we don't have to wait until the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty second century to talk about our work in nanotechnology.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, we can go back more than three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years ago in China and talk about lamp black. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this material is a byproduct of burning oil, typically a

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<v Speaker 1>coal based oil, and burning oil in a shallow and

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<v Speaker 1>where you produce really heavy smoke was the typical production

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<v Speaker 1>method for lamp black. You would use a collection pan

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<v Speaker 1>that you would put near the flame, and the collection

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<v Speaker 1>pan begins to accumulate very small particles of carbon they

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<v Speaker 1>are deposited on that pan. Some of those particles are

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<v Speaker 1>around twenty nanometers in diameter. So the lamp black has

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty phenomenal surface area to volume ratio, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>the particles are very small, So there's more of the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of the particle exposed to the air than there

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<v Speaker 1>is under the surface. One way to think about this

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<v Speaker 1>is if you have a gold brick that has a

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<v Speaker 1>certain amount of surface that's exposed to the air. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But if you were to make that gold brick into

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<v Speaker 1>gold foil, right, if you were to flatten it out

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<v Speaker 1>so that it's much much, much much wider, much much longer,

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<v Speaker 1>but very e than well, now, way more of the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of that gold is exposed to the outside world

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<v Speaker 1>as a much larger amount of surface area compared to

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<v Speaker 1>its volume. Well, that's kind of how things are on

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<v Speaker 1>the nano scale. Nanoparticles have way more surface area exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to the world compared to their volume than stuff that's

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<v Speaker 1>on the macro scale. All right, let's get back to

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<v Speaker 1>lamp black. So because of this amazing amount of surface area,

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<v Speaker 1>it became a very popular black pigment for inks. And paints.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't need a lot of it in order to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to cover a surface. Well, if it's black,

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<v Speaker 1>then you could use that to be an ink. Right

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<v Speaker 1>centuries later, this same sort of stuff, which we typically

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<v Speaker 1>now call carbon black, is used in all kinds of applications,

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<v Speaker 1>including printer toner. So even to this day we're using

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<v Speaker 1>the same sort of stuff, these tiny, tiny particles of carbon.

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<v Speaker 1>Way back in the three as in the four century

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<v Speaker 1>Common era, some Roman artisan crafted a cup made out

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<v Speaker 1>of glass. Now that in itself isn't incredibly special, but

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<v Speaker 1>this particular cup had a really cool quality to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say you had the glass sitting on a

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<v Speaker 1>table and you placed an oil lamp in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the glass, so it's between you and the glass. Then

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<v Speaker 1>to you, the glass would appear to be green. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's say you position the glass so that the light

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<v Speaker 1>from the oil lamp was actually going into the glass

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<v Speaker 1>rather than onto it. Well, now the glass would appear

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<v Speaker 1>to be red. The color of the glass changes depending

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<v Speaker 1>upon how light hits it. Now today we call the

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<v Speaker 1>glass by the name the Lakergus cup, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>see the Lakergus cup if you ever go into the

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<v Speaker 1>British Museum. Maybe not right now, but you know, things

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<v Speaker 1>being what they are, but when things get better, you

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<v Speaker 1>could see it there. That's where the cup is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called the Lakergus cup because the figure on the cup

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<v Speaker 1>is that of King like Urgus. He's being dragged into

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<v Speaker 1>the underworld by the nymph ambrosia. So that's fun. So

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<v Speaker 1>why does the glass change color and what does it

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<v Speaker 1>have to do with nanotechnology? The answers had to wait

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<v Speaker 1>more than fifteen hundred years before we really sussed it out.

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<v Speaker 1>In n scientists used an atomic force microscope more on

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<v Speaker 1>those later to examine the like Hurgis cup, and they

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<v Speaker 1>found that this glass contained extremely tiny particles of copper, gold,

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<v Speaker 1>and silver. The particles were in the nanoscale range, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were mixed in with the glass itself. The red

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<v Speaker 1>light came from gold's absorption of light. The glass was

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<v Speaker 1>a type of nanocomposite material. In the following centuries, glassmakers

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<v Speaker 1>would experiment by adding different types of metals to glass

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<v Speaker 1>mixtures to produce various colors of glass a k A

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<v Speaker 1>stained glass. But while we were are able to grind

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<v Speaker 1>stuff down to such a fine powder as to have

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<v Speaker 1>individual particles on the nano scale suspended in glass. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like we were building machines at that same scale.

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<v Speaker 1>That would have been unthinkable. In fact, I would argue

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<v Speaker 1>that before the transistor, most folks weren't really thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>going small with technology. Before the electronic era, we were

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<v Speaker 1>building mechanical systems, and generally the power of machines scaled

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<v Speaker 1>with their size. You could do stuff with gear ratios

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<v Speaker 1>to help boost output without making an entire piece of

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<v Speaker 1>technology bigger, but that only worked down to a certain point.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early era of computers, even as we moved

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<v Speaker 1>from the electro mechanical systems to pure electronic ones, the

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<v Speaker 1>general thought was that the more powerful machines of tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>would be at least the same size, if not larger,

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<v Speaker 1>than the behemoths of that era. Mantorization was something that

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<v Speaker 1>most people just didn't really anticipate. That, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is something that we should keep in mind whenever we

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<v Speaker 1>make any predictions about the future, is that frequently things

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<v Speaker 1>we don't anticipate will end up being a much larger

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<v Speaker 1>influence on the way technology develops than what is currently

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<v Speaker 1>going on. So in the nineteen twenties, if you were

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<v Speaker 1>predicting what the future of technology was going to be,

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<v Speaker 1>You probably weren't thinking in terms of electronics. That was unanticipated.

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<v Speaker 1>And just like if we project out now, we say

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<v Speaker 1>was it going to be like fifty years from now?

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<v Speaker 1>If we're basing it on the technologies we're using right

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<v Speaker 1>at this moment, chances are we're going to miss something

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<v Speaker 1>because it's something we haven't early anticipated that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>change everything between now and then. Okay, anyway, in our

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<v Speaker 1>history we get up to nineteen forty seven when William Shockley,

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<v Speaker 1>Walter Britain, and John Bardine, among others, developed the first

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<v Speaker 1>transistor in a T and T S research and development

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<v Speaker 1>division that would be Bell Labs. The transistor could step

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<v Speaker 1>in and do the job that was previously performed by

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<v Speaker 1>larger components like vacuum tubes. Vacuum tubes are still in

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<v Speaker 1>use today, but the transistors largely replaced them in many technologies.

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<v Speaker 1>So early transistors were large and impractical for any real application.

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<v Speaker 1>They were, you know, a demonstration of a scientific principle,

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<v Speaker 1>but you wouldn't actually use them for something like a radio. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it did prove that the science underlying the transistors was sound,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was only a matter of time before companies

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<v Speaker 1>began to refine the technology and built smaller transistors and

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<v Speaker 1>develop new manufacturing processes to do so at a scale

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<v Speaker 1>large enough for them to be actually be useful. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to a famous observation that Gordon Moore made because

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<v Speaker 1>of this particular trend in a little bit, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>another person that I need to talk about first. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty nine, physicist Richard Feynman gave a presentation at

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<v Speaker 1>the American Physical Society at the California Institute of Technology

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<v Speaker 1>also known as cal Tech. He called the presentation There's

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of room at the bottom. It would retroactively become

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<v Speaker 1>one of the foundational arguments in support of nanotechnology, the

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<v Speaker 1>discipline and the pursuit of it. Now, it helps if

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<v Speaker 1>we understand how things had developed by the time Feinman

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<v Speaker 1>gave this talk. It took centuries for humans to develop

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<v Speaker 1>technologies that allowed us to observe the world of the

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<v Speaker 1>very small. From magnifying glasses to microscopes, we gradually peeled

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<v Speaker 1>back the unknown, and we kept finding, to our amazement

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<v Speaker 1>that things could get even smaller. But light based or

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<v Speaker 1>optical microscopes have fundamental limitations that are dictated by physics.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not because the limitations of the materials we used.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that we couldn't find clearer lenses or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's rather due to the fact that light waves themselves

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<v Speaker 1>have limitations. Now, we can see stuff because light bounces

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<v Speaker 1>off of it, and light waves are very short. They

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<v Speaker 1>are tiny, but they're not as tiny as say, individual atoms.

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<v Speaker 1>Light waves are too big to reflect off of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>as small as atoms and most molecules, and so no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how good your optical microscope is, you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to resolve images at that smallest scale

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<v Speaker 1>just because you're using light. Typically you'd be relying on

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<v Speaker 1>light with wavelengths of between four hundred and seven hundred nanometers.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's way larger than stuff like proteins or some viruses,

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<v Speaker 1>and and way way larger than atoms. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to observe these smaller things, you got to shed your

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<v Speaker 1>dependence on light. Back in nineteen twenty six, a German

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<v Speaker 1>scientist named Hans Bush developed the first electromagnetic lens. This

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<v Speaker 1>isn't the same sort of lens you would find in

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<v Speaker 1>eyeglasses or a telescope or a microscope. Instead, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of electro magnets which could generate a magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>field sufficient to direct a beam of magnetically charged particles.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the same sort of idea used in particle accelerators.

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<v Speaker 1>In a particle accelerator, you've got these big, powerful magnets

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<v Speaker 1>that create an extremely narrow channel through which charged particles

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<v Speaker 1>can travel. They can't go outside of it because of

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<v Speaker 1>these magnetic forces, and it guides the particles around a

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<v Speaker 1>pathway so that they can collide with something else, such

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<v Speaker 1>as a beam of charged particles that are traveling in

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite direction. Now, Bush proposed using the lens to

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<v Speaker 1>make a microscope that would use electrons rather than light,

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<v Speaker 1>and electromagnetic coils rather than a glass lens. He even

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<v Speaker 1>patented a design, but he never constructed the electron micro scope.

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<v Speaker 1>Max Knell, an electrical engineer, and Ernst risk a physicist,

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<v Speaker 1>did build one in ninety one, though this early version

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't able to produce an image that was at a

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<v Speaker 1>higher resolution than what you could achieve with an optical microscope.

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<v Speaker 1>Those would come not that much longer down the road. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the sample that you're looking at has to be inside

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<v Speaker 1>a vacuum chamber, because air molecules would be like giant

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<v Speaker 1>obstacles to an electron beam, and you wouldn't look at

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<v Speaker 1>it through an eyepiece, you know, it's not like that

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<v Speaker 1>type of microscope. Instead, you would capture the interactions of

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<v Speaker 1>the electron beam with the sample you're examining on either

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<v Speaker 1>special photographic film or later on a monitor. So typically

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<v Speaker 1>you would have a sensor and then the sensor would

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<v Speaker 1>send data that you would then interpret visually through a monitor.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Feynman gave his presentation in the late

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties, electron microscopes could produce images at a much

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<v Speaker 1>smaller scale than optical microscopes. What scientists had learned from

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<v Speaker 1>mathematics was actually beginning to bear out through observation. So

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes we discover stuff because mathematically we understand that it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be a certain way, even if we can't

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<v Speaker 1>directly observe that way. That was kind of what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on. We had sort of sussed out how the

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<v Speaker 1>world had to be at that scale, and now we

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<v Speaker 1>could actually directly observe it and learn even more. We

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be on the cusp of another major breakthrough.

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<v Speaker 1>The crux of Fineman's presentation was all about the manipulation

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<v Speaker 1>and controlling of the world on the small scale. He

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<v Speaker 1>started off by talking about the possibility of printing something

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<v Speaker 1>like a full encyclopedia onto the head of a pen.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he elaborated from there. He talked about the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of printing twenty four million books, which he estimated to

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<v Speaker 1>be about the number of notable books ever written, and

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<v Speaker 1>printing them onto the equivalent of thirty five sheets of

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<v Speaker 1>paper by making the print that tiny. His point was

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<v Speaker 1>all about scale, that the scale of things we deal

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<v Speaker 1>with in our everyday lives is gargantuan compared to what

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<v Speaker 1>we could study with the help of powerful technologies like

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<v Speaker 1>electron microscopes. He went on to hypothesize that if we

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<v Speaker 1>were to develop a means of manipulating single atoms, you

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<v Speaker 1>could encode information using some form of simple system. He

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<v Speaker 1>likened it to the dots and dashes in Morse code,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could use it in a three dimensional space

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<v Speaker 1>for each character, and it would measure five by five

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<v Speaker 1>by five atoms to a bit of information, and even

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<v Speaker 1>while using additional atoms for separation, you could print the

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent of those twenty four million volumes on a particle

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<v Speaker 1>the size of a moat of dust. Feynman then goes

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<v Speaker 1>on to suggest even more radical ideas, including using evaporation

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<v Speaker 1>to reduce materials down to their smallest components, before then

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<v Speaker 1>depositing those materials onto a substrate to build out wires

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<v Speaker 1>and insulation and entire circuits. This way. Now, this is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty similar to how we would make stuff like computer

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<v Speaker 1>chips in the future, once we got all those technologies

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<v Speaker 1>down to work on the nano scale. Fineman goes on

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<v Speaker 1>in his presentation to propose the possibility that we could

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<v Speaker 1>build mechanical systems at the nano scale, using the example

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<v Speaker 1>of an automobile, saying how would it be possible to

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<v Speaker 1>build that on this very tiny scale? He argued that

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<v Speaker 1>such a thing might be hypothetically possible, but it would

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<v Speaker 1>require some big changes in automobile design, and a tiny

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<v Speaker 1>scale heat would dissipate much faster than at the macro scale. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got an incredible amount of surface area compared to volume,

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<v Speaker 1>so an internal combustion engine wouldn't work. You wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>able to get combustion. You would need some other sort

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<v Speaker 1>of reaction to provide the energy needed to do work. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>Feynman suggested we might find a way to build such

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<v Speaker 1>small devices as to be able to assemble matter atom

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<v Speaker 1>by atom, building with precision on an atomic level, and

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<v Speaker 1>that could create countless possible applications, including being able to

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<v Speaker 1>synthesize chemicals, which previously we had to do through chemical synthesis,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not necessarily as precise and fascinating idea. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk a bit more about it, but first let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break. Fineman imagined a macro sized tool that

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<v Speaker 1>could make essentially the parts to replicate itself, but on

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<v Speaker 1>a much smaller scale. So imagine using a tool like

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<v Speaker 1>a lathe to cut out all the parts for a

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<v Speaker 1>smaller version of the lathe. Then you use this smaller

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<v Speaker 1>lathe to cut out even smaller parts for an even

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<v Speaker 1>smaller lathe, and so on, and then using these tiny

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<v Speaker 1>tools to produce what Fineman called tiny hands to a symbol,

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<v Speaker 1>very small components. But then he said, we'd start to

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<v Speaker 1>encounter some challenges that don't exist in any appreciable way

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<v Speaker 1>on the macro scale. For example, once you get down

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<v Speaker 1>to the molecular level, you begin to encounter forces that

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<v Speaker 1>you just don't notice at larger scales, forces like the

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<v Speaker 1>Vanderwall's forces. These are electric forces that attract neutral molecules

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<v Speaker 1>to one another. They are pretty weak forces, but when

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<v Speaker 1>you get down to the molecular level, the forces are

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<v Speaker 1>strong enough to cause issues. So he said, if you

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<v Speaker 1>were to create the equivalent of a nut and bolt

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<v Speaker 1>at the nano scale, you would find the Vanderwall's force

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<v Speaker 1>strong enough that you would have trouble turning the nut

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<v Speaker 1>like it would be difficult to tighten or loosen it

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<v Speaker 1>because it would be clinging to the bolt due to

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<v Speaker 1>the Vanderwall's force between the two. Now that's just the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course. When you get down to the nano scale,

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<v Speaker 1>you start to enter into a world governed more by

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<v Speaker 1>quantum mechanics then the classical physics that you and I

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<v Speaker 1>encounter in our day to day lives. Weird stuff starts

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. At least it's weird to us because we

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<v Speaker 1>don't observe the world working in that way on our scale. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, there's the truly weird phenomena of quantum tunneling.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll try to explain this as best I can. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's start with the classical world, because we generally have

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good handle on that. Imagine you have a

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<v Speaker 1>toy car, like a little matchbox car, and you've set

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<v Speaker 1>up a ramp, and you probably understand that unless you

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<v Speaker 1>push the toy car hard enough, it's not gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>it up that ramp. It's not going to spontaneously go

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<v Speaker 1>forward and climb that ramp. If you push too soft,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's going to start going up the ramp and

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<v Speaker 1>then roll back down. So the potential energy of the

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<v Speaker 1>ramp is a certain level. You have to give enough

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<v Speaker 1>kinetic energy to the toy car so it can overcome

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<v Speaker 1>the potential energy g represented by the height and the

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<v Speaker 1>and the slope of the ramp. Now let's say we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing something similar, except instead of a little toy car

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<v Speaker 1>and a ramp, we've got an electron and an electrical field.

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<v Speaker 1>If the energy of the electron is higher than the

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<v Speaker 1>energy level of the electric field, the electron can pass

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<v Speaker 1>through it. But if the electric fields energy is higher,

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<v Speaker 1>the electron will be repelled, just as the toy car

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<v Speaker 1>would roll backward down the ramp if you didn't give

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<v Speaker 1>it a hard enough push. But there's a tiny little problem.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, at the quantum level, we're not talking in absolutes,

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<v Speaker 1>we're actually talking in probabilities. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle explained that

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<v Speaker 1>we'll never know the precise position and momentum of a

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<v Speaker 1>particle like an electron. We can only know a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about each and then we can work out the

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<v Speaker 1>probability that a given sub atomic particle is in a

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<v Speaker 1>certain position at any given time. So you can actually

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<v Speaker 1>plot this out in a wave function. The peak of

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<v Speaker 1>the wave corresponds with the most likely outcomes, the places

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<v Speaker 1>where the electron is most probably going to be located

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<v Speaker 1>at a given time, but there will be a small

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<v Speaker 1>chance that the electron will appear somewhere else. And if

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<v Speaker 1>the wave function can actually overlap the entirety of the

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<v Speaker 1>electric field, that means that there's a tiny little amount

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<v Speaker 1>of that probability wave on the opposite side of the

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<v Speaker 1>electric field where the electron could exist. The probability is

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<v Speaker 1>very small, but it is there, which means it is

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<v Speaker 1>possible the electron is on the other side of the

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<v Speaker 1>electric field. And if something is possible, then if you

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<v Speaker 1>do that something enough times it means it will happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It probably doesn't happen frequently. The probability tells us it won't,

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<v Speaker 1>but if there is a chance it will happen sooner

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<v Speaker 1>or later, it will. Now, there's a lot more to

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, like the discussion of evanescent waves, but while

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<v Speaker 1>those make me wake up inside, they are also super

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<v Speaker 1>tricky to explain without visual aids. The important thing for

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<v Speaker 1>us to remember is that if there is a probability

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<v Speaker 1>that something will happen, if you have enough instances, you

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<v Speaker 1>will eventually encounter that. And if that something means an

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<v Speaker 1>electron suddenly appears on the opposite side of a barrier

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<v Speaker 1>where it's not supposed to be, you gotta deal with that.

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<v Speaker 1>So what this means for us in practical terms is

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<v Speaker 1>that if we build stuff down at the nanoscale, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to worry about things like quantum tunneling. So imagine

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<v Speaker 1>you've got an electric circuit with all the components small

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<v Speaker 1>enough that the wave function of the electron means that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes the electron can be on the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>gates or even in a totally different wire. Well that

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<v Speaker 1>those gates and those wires are meant to control the

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<v Speaker 1>flow of electrons. That's what circuits are. Circuits really are

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<v Speaker 1>controlled pathways for electrical signals, and the important part there

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<v Speaker 1>is the control. If it's uncontrolled, you might as well

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<v Speaker 1>not even have a circuit. So if electrons can just

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<v Speaker 1>appear on the other side of gates as if those

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<v Speaker 1>gates were open, or jump from one wire to the next,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a problem. You can't actually control electricity in

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<v Speaker 1>a reliable way, you'll start to get errors. Now this

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<v Speaker 1>is something microchip manufacturers actually have to deal with today

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<v Speaker 1>because they keep scaling down. The components on their chips

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<v Speaker 1>were happidly in the five nanometer range at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>which is smaller than I ever thought we would ever

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<v Speaker 1>be able to go, and their talks about possibly getting

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<v Speaker 1>as low as three nanometers or beyond. But we really

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<v Speaker 1>have to answer some big questions about fundamental quantum mechanics

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<v Speaker 1>problems in order to get there. So what the heck

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<v Speaker 1>does this mean if we were to blow it out

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<v Speaker 1>to macro scale. Well, in our example with the toy car,

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<v Speaker 1>it would mean that sometimes, let's just say you give

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<v Speaker 1>the toy car a gentle push, most of the time

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<v Speaker 1>it would just go a little bit up the ramp

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<v Speaker 1>and then roll right back down. However, once in a

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<v Speaker 1>blue moon, you would give it that tiny little tap

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<v Speaker 1>and it would launch itself over the ramp. Other times

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<v Speaker 1>you might give it a tiny little tap and it

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<v Speaker 1>might actually move backward. Most of the time you would

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<v Speaker 1>just see it hit the ramp and roll back. That

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<v Speaker 1>is a challenge. If you're building out a system that

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<v Speaker 1>relies on predictability, and it turns out that your results

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<v Speaker 1>are not always predictable, you've got an issue. Feineman's talk

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<v Speaker 1>did not actually spark some sort of explosive interest in nanotechnology.

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<v Speaker 1>It would take several decades before people would really go

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<v Speaker 1>back to it as a sort of touchstone for the

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<v Speaker 1>whole discipline. But other developments would play a part as well.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, in Gordon Moore's paper about quote cramming more

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<v Speaker 1>components onto integrated circuits in the quote would serve as

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<v Speaker 1>the basis for what we now call Moore's law. Gordy

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<v Speaker 1>saw that the general trend was that a combination of

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<v Speaker 1>factors can tribute to the doubling of components onto a

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<v Speaker 1>square inch of silicon wafer every two years. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you could fit five thousand components on a square inch

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<v Speaker 1>of silicon in nineteen sixty five, for example, by nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven, you could fit ten thousand components on that

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<v Speaker 1>same square inch. His observations take into account not just

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<v Speaker 1>technological advancements, but also the economic drivers. And if you've

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<v Speaker 1>never gone through the paper, I highly recommend you check

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<v Speaker 1>it out. The article is worth a read. You can

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<v Speaker 1>find it online for free. We typically dumb it all

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<v Speaker 1>down these days to say that computers double in processing

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<v Speaker 1>power every two years or so. But that's only a

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<v Speaker 1>slice of what Moore was talking about. But how do

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<v Speaker 1>we do this in the first place? How do we

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<v Speaker 1>make machines twice as powerful so regularly? Well, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff goes into it, But two really big factors

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<v Speaker 1>are circuit architecture, that is, how designers lay out the

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<v Speaker 1>components of a circuit, and the size of the components themselves. Intel,

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<v Speaker 1>which More co founded, has a design philosophy called tick

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<v Speaker 1>talk that lays us out fairly well. In the tike phase,

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<v Speaker 1>engineers figure out how to make smaller components from the

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<v Speaker 1>predecessor generation microchip, but using the same architecture of that predecessor.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say you join Intel, They're just now going

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<v Speaker 1>into the tick phase of a processor. The previous processor

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<v Speaker 1>was processor number twelve, So your job is to make

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<v Speaker 1>processor number thirteen, and you're taking the architecture of twelve

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<v Speaker 1>and you're essentially copying it, but you're making everything smaller,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're able to fit more components on the same chip,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's following the same general layout as Chip number twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>In the talk phase, designers optimize the architecture for these

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<v Speaker 1>new smaller components so that they work as efficiently as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>So with chip number fourteen, you take the size of

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<v Speaker 1>the components you made for thirteen, but you lay them

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<v Speaker 1>out in a new way so that they work as

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<v Speaker 1>best as possible. When it comes to the next tick phase,

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<v Speaker 1>it all starts over again. So Chip number fifteen is

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<v Speaker 1>going to have the exact same architecture as fourteen, but

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 1>with even smaller components. Tick talk, tick talk. It's all

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 1>about maniaturize, optimized, over and over until you hit some

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of fundamental barrier in physics that you are unable

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>to work around. And we are headed towards that, but

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>we keep on predicting the end of Moore's law and

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>we haven't quite hit it. Yet, although you could argue

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 1>that the length of time required has expanded over the years.

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so far we have not hit that fundamental

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>limit in physics, and we now have microchips that have

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 1>nodes or components that measure in the single digits of nanometers.

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 1>But eventually we will hit that limit, and we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with other ways to keep up with

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<v Speaker 1>Moore's law or the spirit of Moore's law, or we'll

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<v Speaker 1>finally have to admit that we've reached the limits of

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 1>keeping up with that pace and we'll have to settle

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 1>for a less impressive rate of progress. No matter what,

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>we're going to be looking at a different approach to computing,

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>or things are really gonna plateau. Now we're going to

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>skip ahead to the nineteen eighties because that's when we

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<v Speaker 1>got the development of a technology that really let us

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<v Speaker 1>get a look at stuff that was down on the

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 1>atomic level. The electron microscopes had allowed us to resolve

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>samples down to the nanoscale, but we couldn't quite do

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 1>that on the atomic scale. Now atoms are less than

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 1>one nanometer in size. But our abilities got a big

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<v Speaker 1>boost in one when Gerd Binnig and Heinrich Roarer developed

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<v Speaker 1>what is called a scanning tunneling microscope. This microscope uses

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>a metal wire that comes to an insanely sharp point

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and it scans above the surface of a sample. The

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>microscope applies an electric voltage to either the tip or

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 1>the sample depends on the microscope, and what follows is

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>a really complicated process, involving quantum mechanics, primarily the tunneling

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 1>effect I mentioned earlier, and the piece of electric effect

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>as well, and it gets way more complicated than I

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 1>can adequately explain or even understand. So rather than stumble

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>through an explanation and likely getting a lot of stuff

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>wrong along the way, I think it's just important that

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>we understand. Using this process made it possible to image

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 1>individual atoms for the first time. This was a monumental achievement,

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>so much so that Bennig and Roarer would get a

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Nobel Prize for their work in the field just a

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>few years later. Imaging atoms brought us a step closer

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>to being able to manipulate individual atoms, but to do

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 1>that it would take nearly a decade. It was a

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>night nine when Reese searchers at IBM found that if

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<v Speaker 1>they worked in very low temperatures, and they used a

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>scanning tunneling microscope. They cannot just image the surface of

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 1>a sample. They could actually maneuver single atoms into a

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>specific place. The researchers used atoms of the element zenon,

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 1>and they use the incredibly precise controls of this microscope

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>to move the atoms so that they spelled out the

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 1>letters I, B, M. Cute. Huh. They use thirty five

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>atoms to do it. And think about this for a second.

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>So let's let's imagine just a speck of dust, which

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 1>is really tiny, right. That might measure just five microns across,

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>and a micron is one millionth of a meter. But

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>that tiny piece of dust is itself composed of hundreds

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>of quadrillions of atoms. I remember it. Atom is smaller

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>than a nanometer, and a nanometer is one billionth of

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 1>a me er. So when we talk about moving individual

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 1>atoms around without disturbing the other atoms, it's at a

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 1>level of precision that is impossible for me to imagine.

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 1>I just can't work out how small that is. Between

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<v Speaker 1>the invention of the scanning tunneling microscope and IBM S

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 1>novel use of the technology to spell out its own name.

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>We get another innovation smack dab between the two. In

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties six, Christoph Gerber and Calvin Quait invented the

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 1>atomic force microscope. I mentioned that earlier in the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>This thing can image atomic sized particles in three dimensions,

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and it involves reflecting a laser off the end of

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 1>a cantilever with a sharp point at the end of it.

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>As this moves across the surface of a sample, the

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>attractive and repulsive forces acting on the cantilever change its

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 1>position and angle relative to the laser, so that the

0:32:56.520 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>laser reflecting off of it hits different parts of a sensor,

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>and by interpreting that data, we can construct a three

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 1>dimensional image of the sample. This might be hard for

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 1>you to imagine. So let's say it's nighttime and you're

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 1>holding a flashlight so that from your perspective, it's pointed

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 1>straight up into the sky. You're making a vertical line

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:20.840
<v Speaker 1>of light straight up, and you're walking and as you're

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>walking along, you hit the gentle slope of a hill,

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.959
<v Speaker 1>so you start climbing. Your feet are still flat on

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the ground with respect to your position. A person standing

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 1>far away can't see you, it's too dark, but they

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 1>can see the beam of your flashlight, and they'll see

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 1>as this beam of vertical light starts to tilt slightly

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 1>as you hit that slope of the hill, they'll see

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>that it's it's turning a little bits, changing orientation. The

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>steeper the slope you're walking on, assuming you can maintain

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 1>flat feet on the ground, the greater deviation the person

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>will see in that vertical line. Atomic force microscopes are

0:33:57.960 --> 0:33:59.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of doing the same thing, but down on the

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 1>atomic level. They're measuring how this reflected light is changing

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>orientation based upon this very very sharp point moving across

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.520
<v Speaker 1>this tiny sample. Now, when we come back, i'll talk

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 1>about some of the disciplines involved with nanotechnology. Today. I

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 1>left off talking about the atomic force microscope that was

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 1>developed back in nine six. That same year, Eric Drexler's

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 1>book Engines of Creation The Coming Era of Nanotechnology published. Now,

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>this was the book that really brought Feynman's nineteen fifty

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 1>nine presentation out of obscurity and then built upon it.

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:48.719
<v Speaker 1>This is the reason why nanotechnology has sort of the

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>narrative around it. It's largely due to Drexler's work. So

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 1>in this book, Drexler expanded upon Feineman's ideas, going so

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 1>far as to suggest we would be able to create

0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 1>universal assembler. And now we finally can explain what that's

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:05.240
<v Speaker 1>all about. So a universal assembler would be a device

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>capable of building stuff out of individual atoms or molecules,

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and you could use these things to synthesize specific molecules

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:17.799
<v Speaker 1>through physics instead of chemistry. Moreover, with enough assemblers, you

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:21.320
<v Speaker 1>could build macro sized objects, stuff that we could actually

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 1>interact with in our own worlds. But then you think,

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>if a speck of dust has a few hundred quadrillion

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 1>atoms in it, how long would it take a universal

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>assembler to make anything we would even be able to see. Well,

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>one thing that could speed up this process would be

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 1>to have universal assemblers that could build more universal assemblers

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 1>out of basic atoms. So the assemblers just start replicating

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.879
<v Speaker 1>themselves over and over. So you start off with two,

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and you get four, and then you have eight and

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>sixteen and thirty two, et cetera. That exponential growth means

0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>that pretty soon you've got an enormous number of assemblers

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:04.839
<v Speaker 1>all over the place, and collectively, you would think they'd

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>be able to construct stuff much more quickly. If they

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 1>had a collective and coordinated a way of building stuff,

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:15.319
<v Speaker 1>then you could produce things very fast. It's like having

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 1>a three D printer that can make anything out of

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>pretty much anything. Drexler also proposed a potential doomsday scenario

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 1>based on this idea, and it's the so called gray

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Goose scenario. The idea is that universal assemblers would malfunction

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 1>in some way so that they just keep making replicas

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 1>of themselves. They're making more universal assemblers, which then make

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:42.359
<v Speaker 1>more universal assemblers, and it starts to break down all

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 1>other matter just to get the raw materials needed to

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 1>make more universal assemblers, and the process gets faster as

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.759
<v Speaker 1>it goes on because you've got more of them. These

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:56.440
<v Speaker 1>tiny machines would disassemble anything that wasn't a universal assembler itself,

0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>and the creation we made would devour us all. For

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>the time being, this is purely a thought experiment. We

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 1>are nowhere close to actually making something like this, so

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>don't lose any sleep over it. And certain aspects of

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 1>nanotechnology are older than others. For example, we've been making

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:17.280
<v Speaker 1>mixtures from nanoparticles of certain metals for a really long while.

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>As I mentioned earlier in this episode, colloidal silver is

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 1>a really great example. The word colloid comes from chemistry.

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>It's a mixture that has very very tiny particles of

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>something suspended throughout some other substance. This isn't that different

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 1>from the glass I talked about at the beginning of

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the episode. So silver has antibacterial properties. This is just

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 1>true of that material. Even before humans really knew what

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 1>bacteria were or that they were a thing, they developed

0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a general understanding that silver could help ward off stuff

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 1>like infection. Maybe that's why silver also plays a part

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 1>in certain mythologies, such as the idea that you can

0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>kill a werewolf with silver or some vampire. Our legends

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:04.280
<v Speaker 1>involved using silver to kill vampires might be the idea

0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 1>that silver wards off impurities as it were. Today, companies

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:13.240
<v Speaker 1>manufacture bandages and wound dressings with silver nano particles woven

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:16.320
<v Speaker 1>into them to help with healing and to prevent infection.

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Of course, people can take the antibacterial properties of silver

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 1>to extremes. There are folks who have taken courses of

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 1>colloidal silver to treat all sorts of ailments, and this

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 1>can have a particularly noticeable side effect because it can

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:37.360
<v Speaker 1>turn the skin a sort of bluish color. Silver compounds

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.799
<v Speaker 1>will build up in human cells and this is what

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 1>causes that change in color. There's even a term for

0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:49.400
<v Speaker 1>this condition, argeria. Take a look online for colloidal silver

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:53.240
<v Speaker 1>and blue skin and you're gonna see some interesting images.

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's one thing we have to take

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 1>away from the young discipline of nanotechnology. We're still learning

0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 1>how stuff works at this scale. If you listen to

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the smart Talks episode I did in which I spoke

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:09.240
<v Speaker 1>with Dave Turrek of IBM, you heard him talk about

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:14.399
<v Speaker 1>using high performance computing systems to simulate molecular interactions, all

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 1>with the goal of figuring out treatments for COVID nineteen. Now,

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:21.960
<v Speaker 1>there are processes that we don't fully understand happening, and

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>not just small scales in terms of physical size, but

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 1>also at small time scales. So we humans we measure

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 1>time in seconds, minutes, and hours, but when you're talking

0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 1>about atomic and molecular interactions, you might need to look

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:38.919
<v Speaker 1>at changes that happen over the course of a few

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 1>fempto seconds, and a fempto second is one quadrillionth of

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>a second. We've got a lot to learn when it

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 1>comes to the nano scale. Some materials have radically different

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 1>properties when you look at them on the nano scale,

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:57.839
<v Speaker 1>properties like electrical conductivity, or the materials melting point, or

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 1>it's reactivity, it's chemical react ativity, it's fluorescence, uh, it's

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 1>magnetic permeability. All of those can be very different. It's

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 1>almost like a substance changes identities once you get it

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:13.880
<v Speaker 1>down to that size. Another one is toxicity. Toxicity is

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.560
<v Speaker 1>another quality we have to take into consideration. It may

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 1>be that something is completely harmless on the macro scale,

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.480
<v Speaker 1>like we would never have any problems if we came

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:27.279
<v Speaker 1>into contact with it classically, but if we encounter nanoparticles,

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 1>those might interact with ourselves in such a way as

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:32.719
<v Speaker 1>to be toxic. So we have to really research this

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:36.759
<v Speaker 1>before we start making practical applications of nanotechnology, particularly in

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:40.799
<v Speaker 1>the medical field. We're still years, if not decades, or

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:44.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe centuries away from building nanoscale assemblers, but we're taking

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:48.320
<v Speaker 1>advantage of stuff on the nanoscale all the time. For example,

0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 1>you've probably heard about carbon nanotubes, a truly interesting material

0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 1>that we have in fact made without knowing it for centuries.

0:40:57.040 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 1>This stuff helps illustrate how different things can be on

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the nanoscale, though I guess again we shouldn't be surprised.

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 1>So carbon is plentiful stuff, and it can take lots

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 1>of different forms. The two examples that you always hear

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 1>about are it's the stuff that's in pencil lead, and

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>it's also the stuff that's inside diamonds. The arrangement of

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 1>carbon atoms determines the properties of the stuff at macro scale.

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 1>But it sure does seem wild to think that the

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 1>same thing that's soft enough to serve as a way

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 1>to write stuff down on paper can also be an

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 1>incredibly hard substance capable of cutting through lots of other

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 1>stuff just by rearranging the way the atoms bind with

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>each other. So what's the carbon nanotube. Well, you can

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:41.880
<v Speaker 1>start off with a sheet of carbon atoms just one

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 1>atom thick, So think of it as a very thin

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:47.480
<v Speaker 1>blanket made up of carbon atoms that are linked together

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:51.920
<v Speaker 1>in a hexagonal pattern. We call this graphene. Now you

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 1>roll up this graphing into a tube and you get

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:57.399
<v Speaker 1>yourself a carbon nanotube. But here's a really cool part.

0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:01.759
<v Speaker 1>The direction in which you roll this material determines the

0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 1>properties of the tube. So again, think of it like

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<v Speaker 1>a blanket. If you were to roll it from top

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<v Speaker 1>to bottom, you would get one set of properties, but

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to roll it on the diagonal, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be a different set of properties. So carbon nanotubes

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<v Speaker 1>can be really strong but extremely light weight, So a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of folks hope that it could be the secret

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<v Speaker 1>to some really phenomenal technology in the future. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>in the space industry, getting a really high strength, low

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<v Speaker 1>weight material is incredibly helpful. You needed to be strong

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<v Speaker 1>enough to withstand, you know, the rigors of launching stuff

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<v Speaker 1>into space, and you also have to remember this space

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<v Speaker 1>is always, always, always trying to kill you. But you

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<v Speaker 1>also want the material to be really light weight because

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<v Speaker 1>that reduces the amount of energy you need to get

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<v Speaker 1>the darn stuff off Earth in the first place. Carbon

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<v Speaker 1>nanotubes have been suggested as a possible material for a

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<v Speaker 1>tether for a space elevator. The space elevator concept is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of trippy. Essentially, you've got a weight or technically

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<v Speaker 1>a counterweight, like maybe a space station, and it's out

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<v Speaker 1>in space and it's tethered to the Earth that has

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<v Speaker 1>anchored somewhere along the equator of the Earth, and this

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<v Speaker 1>counterweight the space station would be way out beyond geo

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<v Speaker 1>stationary orbit. That is, way the heck out there. Geo

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<v Speaker 1>stationary orbit is around thirty six thousand kilometers the the

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<v Speaker 1>International Space Station is just at four hundred eight kilometers,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're really talking deep out there. But the idea

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<v Speaker 1>is that the centrifugal force on the tether would be

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<v Speaker 1>equaled by the gravitational pull on the tether, and you

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<v Speaker 1>would end up with a taught cable that could go

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<v Speaker 1>up to the stars or at least out into a

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<v Speaker 1>far orbit, and an elevator would be able to climb

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<v Speaker 1>that cable, delivering payloads out into space without ever having

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<v Speaker 1>to load it onto a rocket and blast the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>up there. Now, there are a lot of engineering challenges

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<v Speaker 1>in the way of ever realizing this technology here on Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>among them finding material strong enough to with stay and

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<v Speaker 1>the crazy amount of force it would be under. Some

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<v Speaker 1>folks hope that carbon nanotubes could be the answer to that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just one tiny example pun intended of a possible

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<v Speaker 1>application for nanotechnology, but one that's really still far off

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. If it's a you know, at all

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<v Speaker 1>a possibility, but In the meantime, countless scientists are learning

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<v Speaker 1>more about what happens on the very small scale, which

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<v Speaker 1>is great because it extends our knowledge about how the

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<v Speaker 1>universe works, and it also gives us the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>leverage that knowledge and fields like chemistry, medicine, material science,

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<v Speaker 1>and robotics. Nanotechnology plays an important role, just not one

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<v Speaker 1>in which we have very teeny tiny robots building stuff

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<v Speaker 1>atom by atom. We have done some molecular manipulation on

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<v Speaker 1>that scale, but it's been far more meticulous and human

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<v Speaker 1>controlled than the sci Fi scenario. Now, all of this

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<v Speaker 1>is to say that a lot of the technologies that

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<v Speaker 1>are marketed as nanotech are at best mis leading. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen robots that have been called nano robots, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>pretty small, but they're not even crossing the micron threshold,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone the nano scale, so I think that's not

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<v Speaker 1>really terribly accurate. There have been some interesting sensors and

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<v Speaker 1>switches and things that are on the nano scale that

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<v Speaker 1>you could argue fit into nano robotics, although it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily match what we classically think of as a robot,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still closer at least than these small but

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<v Speaker 1>not you know, microscopic robots that I see marketed as

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<v Speaker 1>nanobots all the time. I'm sure I'm gonna do a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more episodes about nanotechnology, including specific implementations. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even get into Bucky balls in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, I've got to come back to it

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