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Speaker 1: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. Have an amazing

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Speaker 1: show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 3: Indeed we do.

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Speaker 2: As for usual, many many things are happening. Yesterday was

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Speaker 2: the worst day of the year in these stock markets.

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Speaker 2: We will get into what is going on there to

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Speaker 2: the best of our ability and what the fallout could be.

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Speaker 2: Republicans are scrambling to get a spending bill, paths to

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Speaker 2: avoid a shutdown, and Trump is threatening a key hold

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Speaker 2: out with a primary challenge that would be Thomas Massey.

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Speaker 2: So interesting drama there also some drama with our great

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Speaker 3: Negotiations directly with Hamas.

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Speaker 2: We've also got a bunch of updates for you on

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Speaker 3: We've got a court.

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Speaker 2: Update there and lots of news, so we'll break all

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Speaker 2: of that down for you. We also have Elon and

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Speaker 2: Bannon actually told by Trump to make up. So what's

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Speaker 2: going on there in that key relationship. That's an interesting one,

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Speaker 2: and Twitter was down for most of yesterday. Elon is

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Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll explore who knows. I wouldn't put it

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Speaker 2: I yeah, don't trust anyone involved in that particular dispute.

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Speaker 3: So well, look at what we know there. I'm taking

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Speaker 3: a look at Tesla.

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Speaker 2: Actually I had to update my monologue because I woke

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Speaker 3: And we had an interview.

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Speaker 2: That we recorded yesterday with Brian Tyler Cohen his channel

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really enjoyed talking to him. I think that

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Speaker 1: Absolutely fascinated? All right, let's start with the markets. As

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Speaker 1: Today is exactly twenty five years to the day from

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Speaker 4: Maria Burdero will ask you, and he kind of hesitated.

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Speaker 1: build stuff here, and we won't have to have a selloff,

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Speaker 1: and we can have terrort. You can have everything that

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Speaker 1: you want right now, just not this way.

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Speaker 3: Maybe. I mean.

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Speaker 2: The thing is like that sort of defeats the whole

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Speaker 2: policy of tariffs because if you're like they're ending in

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Speaker 2: six months, then everyone will go, okay, then we're.

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Speaker 3: Just waiting the metal feel like we're not going to

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Speaker 3: change their policy.

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Speaker 1: They're going to effect six months, So you have six months.

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Speaker 1: You have to reshore, figure it out. You have to

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Speaker 1: come to this government and you have to say here

447
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Speaker 1: is X, Y and Z, and if you don't do it,

448
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Speaker 1: you're going to be severely punished. No Fox cons No

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Speaker 1: more Fox cons man. You know, it's like, but that's

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Speaker 1: what real policy make maybe looks.

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Speaker 2: Like maybe, I mean, And that's the thing is like

452
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Speaker 2: so much of his domestic policy has been outsourced to

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Speaker 2: Elon who's just on this like radical Austerian austerity tour.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday he said.

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Speaker 2: That entitlements need to be eliminated, social Security, Medicare, and

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Speaker 2: Medicaid eliminated because those are quote unquote the big ones.

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Speaker 3: So you know, you've got that going.

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Speaker 2: On, which obviously for average people is just a complete

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Speaker 2: and utter disaster. You've got the government freezes going on.

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Speaker 2: There's just a lot of headwinds at this point that

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Speaker 2: are all directly generated by this administration and their decisions.

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Speaker 3: And I just don't think that people are going.

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Speaker 2: To buy this line from them that like, oh, if

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Speaker 2: things are going poorly, it's all Joe Biden's fault, because

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Speaker 2: I mean, Trump's been in charge for fifty days now,

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Speaker 2: and it's quite clear he's doing a lot. We can,

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Speaker 2: you know, have differing opinions about whether that a lot

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Speaker 2: is good or bad. You guys know where I stand

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Speaker 2: on that. But he's certainly doing a lot, and he

470
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Speaker 2: owns what's happening in the economy now, you know, he

471
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Speaker 2: really has taken control of it him and Elon, and

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Speaker 2: he owns whatever happens from here on out. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: to go back to Gasparino, I think it was interesting

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Speaker 2: hearing what he was saying because it reminded me of

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Speaker 2: a few things. First of all, it reminded me of

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Speaker 2: all the wish casting that the business world in Wall

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Speaker 2: Street did around Trump and what his policies would be.

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Speaker 2: You know, there are a lot of things that have

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Speaker 2: happened in this administration that I did not necessarily anticipate.

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Speaker 2: Tariffs are not one of them. He was really clear,

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Speaker 2: repeatedly on the campaign trail. Terras is the most beautiful word.

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Speaker 2: I love tariffs, we're doing across the board.

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Speaker 1: Terrors.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was consistent. And if you didn't listen

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Speaker 3: to that and take.

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Speaker 2: That seriously, like, I don't know what to tell you,

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Speaker 2: because the man told you many many times that that's

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Speaker 2: the direction that he was heading. So no one should

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Speaker 2: be surprised when he moved forward with the plans that

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Speaker 2: he himself repeatedly announced that he was going to put

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Speaker 2: into place. The other thing it reminded me of is

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Speaker 2: how Democrats would talk about like and still do act

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Speaker 2: like their only issue is like a messaging problem, like

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Speaker 2: that's what oh they need to, you know, just talk

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Speaker 2: about the deregulation and just don't really talk about the terrors,

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Speaker 2: like let's just pretend that is all not happening. No,

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Speaker 2: especially when it comes to the economy, you have a

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Speaker 2: reality problem. People have their own personal experience with the economy,

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Speaker 2: and yes, they are subject to political narratives, and they

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Speaker 2: are subject to changing their mind based on which president.

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Speaker 3: Is in power or what they are.

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Speaker 2: Leaders that are both trusted, you don't have to say

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Speaker 2: about what the economic status is currently. But if you

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Speaker 2: are looking at people are in the center, who are

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Speaker 2: independents who could go either way in an election, they

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Speaker 2: have their own personal experience with how things are going

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Speaker 2: for them. I just don't think that you can spin

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Speaker 2: and message your way out of real economic trouble. And

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Speaker 2: it looks like we could very well be headed for

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Speaker 2: real economic trouble. The last thing I would say, because

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Speaker 2: we've made the dot com comparison and there are definitely

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Speaker 2: there feels like there are some real echoes here with this,

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Speaker 2: you know, technology that has yet to fully arrive, but

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of speculation around it. The one thing

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Speaker 2: that is very different though from this bubble versus that

516
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Speaker 2: bubble is the fact that our eggs are in many

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Speaker 2: fewer baskets this time around than last time. You know,

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Speaker 2: the story of the dot com bubble was all of

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Speaker 2: these startups that we're getting, you know, massive investment, and

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Speaker 2: part of the pull back back starts when the Federal

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Speaker 2: Reserve hikes rates and then they're financing becomes more expensive

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Speaker 2: and lo and behold, they're not turning a profit yet,

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Speaker 2: so you know, they're getting they're not able to get funding,

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Speaker 2: and then there starts to be this gradual realization that

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Speaker 2: a bunch of these things are just kind of like

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Speaker 2: fake and not ever going to work and not ever

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Speaker 2: going to really have a self.

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Speaker 3: Sustaining business model.

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Speaker 2: Here, I would say we have profoundly actually more risk

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Speaker 2: because we have so much concentrated in these seven giant

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Speaker 2: tech effectively monopolies. And that's what makes me really really

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Speaker 2: nervous about this particular moment. You know, I think that

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Speaker 2: Trump believes he can sort of control things and you know,

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Speaker 2: put the terrafs on and take him off and let

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Speaker 2: the market drop just enough so that he's comfortable and

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Speaker 2: maybe flirt with a recession, but not go full recession

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Speaker 2: or be able to pull back from that. Like I

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Speaker 2: think he feels like his hands are on the levers

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Speaker 2: in that way. But these things are really unpredictable and

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Speaker 2: can have massive cascading effects that just get totally out

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Speaker 2: of hand. And if you think that ordinary people don't

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Speaker 2: suffer when the stock market drops, like I would recommend

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Speaker 2: you go back and look at every major stock market

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Speaker 2: crash and how ordinary people fared in the wake of that,

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Speaker 2: because it ends up the pain does not just stay

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Speaker 2: on Wall Street. The pain does not just stay with

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Speaker 2: wealthy people or even with people who are looking towards retirement,

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Speaker 2: and therefore a way and case has a massive reverberating

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Speaker 2: effect throughout the economy.

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Speaker 1: YEP, absolutely correct. So that's the last thing. I just

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Speaker 1: want to make this point here. Yeah, let's put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. This is the changes in

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Speaker 1: the S and P five hundred since the inauguration day

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Speaker 1: of Trump's first and second term. And you can just

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Speaker 1: see that yellow line going reel down in the first

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Speaker 1: fifty days of the Trump administration as opposed to the

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Speaker 1: first Trump administration, where even the drop that happened in

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Speaker 1: even modest drops or whatever that happened, were overcome by

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Speaker 1: some pretty overwhelming growth up to almost twenty percent in

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Speaker 1: the first two hundred and twenty five days that he

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Speaker 1: was in office. So keep that in mind. And that's

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Speaker 1: certainly something that a lot of people who if you

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Speaker 1: think back to especially the quote normal voter, like the

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Speaker 1: voter who voted for Trump to restore normalcy, was like, listen,

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Speaker 1: you know, we had a lot of issues. Sure it

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Speaker 1: was chaotic, et cetera. But the stock market went up,

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Speaker 1: and deregulation and the tax bill et cetera. Much more

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Speaker 1: middle class, suburban type folks. And the big question here

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Speaker 1: now is how working class voters, other populist voters who

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Speaker 1: decided to back Donald Trump in a Hail Mary style

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Speaker 1: for this election, how are they going to feel about

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Speaker 1: much of this, especially if this continues. So we'll see,

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Speaker 1: but I do think it's a significant problem for the

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Speaker 1: White House, and if they don't adjust their messaging and

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Speaker 1: policy soon, they could have a big, big problem on

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Speaker 1: their hands.

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Speaker 2: This sets up the spending bill because we've got more

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Speaker 2: rocky road ahead of us this week, so Republicans planning

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Speaker 2: to vote on what's called a continuing resolution to basically

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Speaker 2: keep the government open. President Trump has been making the

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Speaker 2: pitch like, just give me some a few more months

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Speaker 2: so we can then tackle this out of control spending

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Speaker 2: and pass our budget. So that's the pitch he's been making. Because,

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Speaker 2: of course, you've got some people in the caucus who

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Speaker 2: do not want to continue spending at the current levels.

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Speaker 2: They're you know, into fiscal austerity and they're concerned about

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Speaker 2: the dead and the deficit. People like Thomas Massey, who

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Speaker 2: has been most consistent Republican on this issue, true, died

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Speaker 2: in the wool libertarian and Tea party type, really concerned

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Speaker 2: about smaller government.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's not my.

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Speaker 2: Political ideology, but I respect the fact that the man

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Speaker 2: remains quite principled at times when it's very difficult, including

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Speaker 2: on things like free speech in Israel. In any case,

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Speaker 2: Trump is out now threatening Thomas Massey with a primary challenge.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up on the screen. He

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Speaker 2: posted this on True Social He says, thank you to

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Speaker 2: the House Freedom Caucus for just delivering a big blow

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Speaker 2: to the radical left Democrats their desire to raise taxes

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Speaker 2: and shut our country down. They hate American all it

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Speaker 2: stands for. That's why they allowed millions of criminals invade

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Speaker 2: our nations. Sometimes it takes great courage to do the

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Speaker 2: right thing. Congressman Thomas Massey, a beautiful Kentucky, is an

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Speaker 2: automatic no vote on just about everything, despite the fact

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Speaker 2: that he has always voted for continuing resolutions in the past.

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Speaker 2: He should be primaried and I will lead the charge

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Speaker 2: against him. He's just another grand stander who's too much

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Speaker 2: trouble and not worth a fight. He reminds me of

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Speaker 2: Liz Cheney before her historic record breakings. Fault loss the

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Speaker 2: people of Kentucky won't stand for it.

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Speaker 1: Just watch.

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Speaker 3: Do I have any takers anyway? Thank you again to

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Speaker 3: the House.

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Speaker 2: Freedom Caucus for you a very important vote. We need

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Speaker 2: to buy some time in order to make America great again,

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Speaker 2: greater than ever before. Unite and win soccer. You may

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Speaker 2: know more about this than I do. I know Thomas

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Speaker 2: Massey has faced primary challenges before.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that he's faced one.

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Speaker 2: That was backed so directly by President Trump or been

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Speaker 2: put on blast quite to this extent by President Trump.

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Speaker 3: So you have to take that seriously.

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Speaker 2: I will say, I think he has his own support base,

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Speaker 2: and people in his district seem to really, you know,

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Speaker 2: really appreciate him for the principled stances that he's been taking.

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Speaker 2: But when you've got the combination of Trump, who has

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Speaker 2: his cult of personality and Elon who has almost limitless

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Speaker 2: money to fund said primary challenges, of course you have

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Speaker 2: to ultimately take this seriously.

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Speaker 3: So what did you make of this move from Trump?

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Speaker 2: And doesn't betray sort of any nervousness about whether or

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Speaker 2: not the CR is going to pass? Because I did

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Speaker 2: see there were a few other Republicans who may continue

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Speaker 2: to be holding.

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Speaker 1: Be afraid because it's not just about the House. Don't forget.

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Speaker 1: They've got to pass this thing through the Senate as well,

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Speaker 1: and all the Democrats are currently on the record. No,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have huge problems being able to get this

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Speaker 1: piece of legislation on the Massy front. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: like you said, I remember five years ago, I hated

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Speaker 1: Thomas Massey because he voted against a lot of the

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Speaker 1: COVID stimulus checks and he was, you know, holding it

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Speaker 1: all up. You could say what you want about the guy,

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Speaker 1: but I think what it has proven out is, like

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Speaker 1: you said, he's principal. He's one of the rarest people

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Speaker 1: in Washington. Right, there's like only four or five people

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Speaker 1: like him in the entire United States Congress, including the Senate.

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Speaker 3: So if people having having people like him around.

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Speaker 1: It's good. It's good for us to have wild cards.

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Speaker 1: And it's not the Republic. It's not Massi's fault of

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Speaker 1: the Republicans only have a two or three seat majority, right,

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's why are we backing primary challenges against him?

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Speaker 1: As you said, he'd been absolutely courageous on foreign eight,

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Speaker 1: on Israel, he stood up to a pack free speech.

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Speaker 1: I mean this got maha. I mean, don't forget. By

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Speaker 1: the way, even on the Elon thing, it would be

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Speaker 1: preposterous for Thomas Massey to speak out against Elon. Thomas

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Speaker 1: mass was one of the first people in Congress to

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Speaker 1: buy a Tesla, and if you'll all recall he Massey

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Speaker 1: was on that call with Elon Musk when Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 1: did his disastrous campaign launch. Thomas Massy loves Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: and he loves Dose, So this idea is ridiculous that

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Speaker 1: he's not, you know, in the camp. It's just that

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Speaker 1: he is a libertarian and he doesn't want to vote

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Speaker 1: for CRS and continued spending. He even said, he's like, look,

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Speaker 1: according to you, Dose, you found massive fraud in USAID.

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Speaker 1: This CR continues to fully fund USAID. So aren't you

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Speaker 1: guys kind of full of it from the White House

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Speaker 1: asking for full funding of an agency you say is corrupt.

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Speaker 1: So what's up with that?

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 1: None of it makes it any sense? Now, you're right,

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Speaker 1: he has survived multiple primary challenges. I was just looking

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Speaker 1: back here.

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Speaker 2: I know APAK came after Oh they came out and

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Speaker 2: funded a primary challenge in twenty twenty. I don't think

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Speaker 2: I don't think they even came close.

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Speaker 1: No, he didn't even break twenty percent. Yeah, year, And

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Speaker 1: Massy is again he's one of those folks who is

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Speaker 1: genuinely he's like Bernie. He's one of those people to

681
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Speaker 1: me at least, where all the caricatures of him are bs.

682
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Speaker 1: You know who he is. He's a principal guy in

683
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Speaker 1: his votes, in the way he talks, in how I mean,

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Speaker 1: He's made decisions which are some of the most inconvenient

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Speaker 1: in all of Washington because of what he believes, and

686
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Speaker 1: I think his constituents reward him for that, so broadly,

687
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Speaker 1: I don't think that this will work. You know, people

688
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Speaker 1: like him. Chip Roy is another example who Trump is

689
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Speaker 1: currently backing a primary challenge against these these guys are

690
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Speaker 1: you know, they actually believe what they say, which is

691
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Speaker 1: one of the most rare things in the entire city.

692
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Speaker 1: So I'm behind him one hundred percent, and I do

693
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Speaker 1: think it's pretty ridiculous to primary him for the problems

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Speaker 1: and the challenges that are a creation of this GOP caucus,

695
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Speaker 1: not of Thomas Massey. It's not his fault. Also, by

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Speaker 1: the way, you could easily have the CR pass if

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Speaker 1: you had worked with Democrats, right, but you're not. You

698
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Speaker 1: don't want to do that, right, There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: different varieties. It's like this is just where they demand

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Speaker 1: fealty to the king, and I think that's just ridiculous and.

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Speaker 2: Not to overend analyze this, but also the comparison to

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Speaker 2: Liz Change, yeah right, I mean these are scottiologically like

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Speaker 2: wild different people.

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Speaker 3: But to me, it's the perfect emblem.

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Speaker 2: Of how politics in the Trump era just collapses down

706
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Speaker 2: to the central divide are you with Trump or are

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Speaker 2: you against him? And so if you go against him

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Speaker 2: on anything, even though he's like completely I mean, he

709
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Speaker 2: is probably the biggest Doge supporter, you know, he's all

710
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Speaker 2: about the project of cutting government that Elon is engaged

711
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Speaker 2: in that Trump has fully you know, thrown his backing

712
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Speaker 2: for At this point he would be the number one

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Speaker 2: guy in support of that. But because he dares to

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Speaker 2: buck Trump on anything, then you get thrown in the

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Speaker 2: category of Liz Cheney, which you know, for the Republicans,

716
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Speaker 2: that's like the greatest insult you can possibly be imagined

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Speaker 2: to be compared to a trader such as Liz Cheney.

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Speaker 2: So I thought that was you know, interesting and very

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Speaker 2: telling as well, let me go ahead and get into

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Speaker 2: some of the details of this bill. I think Soccer

721
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Speaker 2: makes a good point about one of the levels of

722
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Speaker 2: absurdity about this is, of course, all the Republicans are

723
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Speaker 2: claiming that the government is rife with all of this

724
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Speaker 2: massive waste, fraud, and abuse, that some of these agencies

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Speaker 2: should be destroyed and cut out entirely. Get here, you

726
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: are whipping your entire caucus to vote to continue what

727
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Speaker 2: you allege is massively fraudulent spending across the board and

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Speaker 2: all of this government. So this is one of the

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Speaker 2: things that a Thomas Massey would certainly be bucking. But

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Speaker 2: I think let's put this up on the screen. They say,

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Speaker 2: the ninety nine page legislation was slightly decreased spending overall

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Speaker 2: from last year's funding levels, but would increase spending for

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Speaker 2: the military. Don't worry, and a not to the concerns

734
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Speaker 2: of GOP defense hawks that stopgap measures would hamstring the Pentagon.

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Speaker 2: Would not include any funds for any earmarks for projects

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Speaker 2: in lawmaker's districts or state, saving roughly thirteen billion according

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Speaker 2: to Congressional Aids. Also provides a slight funding boost for ICE.

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Speaker 2: An additional four hundred eighty five million, gives administration more

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Speaker 2: flexibility on how the agency can spend. It also increases

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Speaker 2: funding for the federal program that provides free groceries to

741
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Speaker 2: millions of low income women and children, known as WICK,

742
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Speaker 2: by about five hundred million dollars. The other line from

743
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Speaker 2: Democrats is who I think are going to hang together

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Speaker 2: and vote in locksteps. Certainly in the House, Schumer has

745
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: been a little bit cagier about the direction there. But

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Speaker 2: I know Takim Jefferies is whipping a no vote among

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Speaker 2: the Democratic House members, and I think they're likely to

748
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Speaker 2: stick with that, and all of them vote against this

749
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Speaker 2: continuing resolution. Basically be like, look, y'all have the majority,

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Speaker 2: go ahead, do your thing. Republicans did get a little

751
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Speaker 2: bit of a boost because a Democratic member just died,

752
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Speaker 2: so their majority has They now have like a four

753
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Speaker 2: vote margin instead of a three vote margin.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm correct about the numbers there.

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Speaker 2: But Democrats are also saying because of the nature of

756
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Speaker 2: a continuing resolution versus actual budgeting and you know, specific

757
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: appropriations and funding bills, it hands more power and discretion

758
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Speaker 2: to the executive and you know, amidst their concerns and

759
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: my concerns and many people's concerns about what Dose is

760
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Speaker 2: doing and the unaccountable nature of the way that they

761
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Speaker 2: are grabbing power for the executive That is one of

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Speaker 2: the concerns that Democrats have with this as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if the problem I just see with

764
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Speaker 1: this is what are we trying to do here? Are

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Speaker 1: you funding USAID or not? Why would you fully fund

766
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Speaker 1: the government if you don't agree with funding the government?

767
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Speaker 1: The argument right now from the White House is that, well,

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Speaker 1: we need full range so that we can continue to

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Speaker 1: work and then maybe in September, after all that runway,

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Speaker 1: we'll be able to come back and say that we're

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Speaker 1: going to It's like, okay, I've never seen that ever

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Speaker 1: happen before. Right, This idea that you're supposed to vote

773
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Speaker 1: for something that funds programs which you yourself are saying

774
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Speaker 1: are bad, now, that's on the Republican side. On the

775
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: Democratic side, it's the opposite. It's, well, why would we

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Speaker 1: vote to authorize funding for these programs If you guys

777
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Speaker 1: are just going to decide if you're want so, then

778
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Speaker 1: if you're going to shut it down, then no, we're

779
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: not going to vote for it. So it's a very

780
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Speaker 1: ideologically inconsistent position and genuinely could lead to a shutdown.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's one thing that I think people really

782
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Speaker 1: should pay attention to. Put B three back up there,

783
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Speaker 1: because it's very important to say, like the House Democrats

784
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Speaker 1: are whipping no on this plan. There is a razor

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Speaker 1: thin margin right now in the House of Representatives. Massy

786
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: is a no. How is this going to pass through

787
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Speaker 1: the House. And even if it did as we said,

788
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Speaker 1: they're going to have to have some votes that happen

789
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Speaker 1: in the Senate and effectively play chicken. And if they

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Speaker 1: do play chicken over this, I'm not sure yet that

791
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Speaker 1: the Democrats wouldn't want to cause a government shutdown because

792
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Speaker 1: I mean, can you think of anything that would send

793
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Speaker 1: the stock markets and all of that even more over

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Speaker 1: a cliff? It would be a shutdown, right because of

795
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Speaker 1: how much public money and services and all that are

796
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Speaker 1: the American public is dependent on, So purely from just

797
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Speaker 1: a cynical standpoint, you would want to cause as much

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Speaker 1: chaos as possible and just say like, no, we're not

799
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Speaker 1: going to bail you out in a messaging war, I

800
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Speaker 1: don't think you win. My general theory of shutdowns has

801
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: always been that shutdowns always fall on the person who

802
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: is in charge, and as much as the president and

803
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: all of them try always try and campaign against Congress

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Speaker 1: unless somebody like Knut Gingrich literally stands up and it's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm shutting down the government specifically for this is and

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Speaker 1: this You're gonna have a tough time and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: eat it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they have a charge.

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Speaker 2: No, I know, they're in control, so I mean, I

810
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: think most people just logically can conclude you're in charge

811
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Speaker 2: of the government, so this is probably your fault.

812
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Speaker 3: And I think they know that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're certainly trying to shift the blame to Democrats,

814
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Speaker 2: but I don't know who could really buy that when

815
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Speaker 2: Democrats don't control the House or the Senate or the

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Speaker 2: White House. You know, in terms of the prospects in

817
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Speaker 2: the Senate, there was some hope there on the Republican

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Speaker 2: side because Schumer has said things about how Democrats don't

819
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 2: want to be part of shutting down the government blah

820
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Speaker 2: blah blah, but more and more moderate like sort of

821
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Speaker 2: centristy type Democrats like Mark Warner, like Tim Kaine have

822
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Speaker 2: come out and said, no, we're not we're not helping

823
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Speaker 2: Republicans with this.

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Speaker 3: This is all on them.

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Speaker 2: So I think hope fading in the Senate too, that

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Speaker 2: any Democrats would be likely to go along with maybe

827
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Speaker 2: you'll get a John Fetterman. You never know, you never know,

828
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Speaker 2: you could get a John Fetterman. But in any case,

829
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Speaker 2: it's not looking great for Republicans in terms of Democrats

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Speaker 2: helping them out of the jam that they have created

831
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Speaker 2: for themselves. Just to get a sense of the democratic

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Speaker 2: messaging on this, we have a clip who is this from?

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Speaker 2: I don't remember some congressman that I don't know, McGovern

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Speaker 2: congresson McGovern sort of laying out his case, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I think this is pretty consistent with overall democratic messaging

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Speaker 2: on the Continuing Resolution.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: I think maybe you guys get a take a refresher

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Speaker 10: question at arithmetic. Last time I checked, you have the

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00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 10: majority in the House and in the Senate, and you

841
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 10: control the White House. The idea that somehow Democrats have

842
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 10: the responsibility to pass a CR or any bill quite

843
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 10: frankly where we don't have any input on I think

844
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 10: is ridiculous. I mean, you will run around bragging about

845
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 10: this big man we'll put on your mandate pants and

846
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 10: pass whatever you want to do, and I think you

847
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 10: probably will have the votes, because even the so called

848
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 10: principal Conservators who don't like Sierras, I think they're suffering

849
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Speaker 10: from a case of victorious spots syndrome, where on Monday

850
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Speaker 10: there are hard no and then on Tuesday there are

851
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 10: hard Yes, they'll cave so, but the idea that somehow

852
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 10: being in charge means that you don't have to take

853
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 10: the responsibility of running this place is absurd.

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Speaker 2: So he's I think he may be correct there that

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, even the Republican holdowns

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Speaker 2: save for Massy, will probably fall in line in the House.

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Speaker 3: But for this they did last time.

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Speaker 2: And I do think a lot of the Tea Party

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Speaker 2: era rebellion is basically over, of course, the combination of

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Speaker 2: Trump winning again and winning the popular vote, and the

861
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Speaker 2: just like unbreakable culture personality that he has, and then

862
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: Elon as the enforcer with limitless cash at his disposal,

863
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: like the party is just whatever Trump wants the party

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Speaker 2: to be at this point, and so I think there

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Speaker 2: is very little appetite even among people like you know,

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Speaker 2: Chip Roy or whoever else would position themselves as Freedom

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Speaker 2: Caucus or tea party members, et cetera. I think there's

868
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Speaker 2: very little willingness to buck what party leadership wants them

869
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: to do.

870
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 3: At this point.

871
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be surprised if he's correct that almost

872
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: everybody saved for maybe Thomas Massey does end up voting

873
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: for it on the Republicans.

874
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: Do I think this will go down in the House.

875
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: Probably not. I still think the Senate is a huge

876
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: bottleneck for them. I mean, at the end of the

877
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: day too, let's not think so big of Democrats right

878
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: in this moment. They're probably too afraid to shut down

879
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: the government. So will that really happen? I don't think so.

880
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: It's mart fourteenth, but look shut down politics and all that.

881
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: And don't forget this would reauthorize much of the funding

882
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: that the government itself says is fraud, so it doesn't

883
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: make any sense they should have just cut it. That's

884
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: actually Massi's point. He goes, you told us you uncovered fraud,

885
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: so why are you funding it? He's right, Why what

886
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: would you fund it? If the government's position is that

887
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: this is fraud and an unnecessary program, why would you

888
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: reauthorize the fund You're actually wasting money by doing so,

889
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: according to your logic, or it's off. So which is it?

890
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, just this is the problem with Washington, just

891
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of it, where we're not supposed to just

892
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: notice these like basic procedural things. And you know, will

893
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: anybody online who's like pro USAID being shut down and

894
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: pro primary Thomas Massey even pay attention. Probably not, But

895
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, you should, like, if you're going to

896
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: try and shut these things down and then also call

897
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: out the one guy who's just asking you to be

898
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: ideological consistent, the whole thing is ridiculous. Indeed, all right,

899
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: I hope Massi makes it.

900
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: So.

901
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: We continue to get recriminations from the Israelis over the

902
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: US's decision to negotiate directly with Hamas. Specifically, it was

903
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: US President Trump's hostage envoy Adam Bohler who negotiated with

904
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: Hamas and made some very interesting comments in a recent

905
00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 2: cable news segment.

906
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: Let's take a some.

907
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 6: Of those understand why N's on Yahoo Dermer Others might

908
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 6: be upset.

909
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: I do understand.

910
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 11: I spoke with Ron, and I'm sympathetic. He has someone

911
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 11: that he doesn't know well making direct contact with the moss.

912
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 11: Maybe I would see them and say, look, they don't

913
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 11: have horns growing out of their head.

914
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: They're actually guys like us.

915
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 11: They're pretty nice guys. So he doesn't know me, and

916
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 11: there are big stakes. He lives in a country where

917
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 11: if it sets certain precedents then it will hurt or

918
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 11: help a lot of other people. So I understand the

919
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 11: consternation and the concern, and I wasn't upset. At the

920
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 11: same time, were the United States, We're not an agent

921
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 11: of Israel. We have specific interests at play.

922
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: So there were two comments there that caught a lot

923
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: of attention.

924
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: One him saying what.

925
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: Should be just obvious statement of fact, which is we

926
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: are the United States and not an agent of Israel.

927
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that also always plays out in practice,

928
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: as we'll cover in our next segment about what's going

929
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: on with deportations. But the other one is he said

930
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: that he's they're worried. Ron Dermer is Bbi's one of

931
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: his top aids is worried that he may realize in

932
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: meeting with Hamas that quote, they don't have horns growing

933
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: out of their heads. They're actually pretty nice guys, guys

934
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: like us. So Yeah, this caused a lot of concern.

935
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 2: Durmer was upset. Boehler sort of walked back the comments

936
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: about the maybe they will find out that they're pretty

937
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: nice guys. We also have some insight that apparently during

938
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: a Security Cabinet meeting on Sunday, Dermer said that he

939
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: was assured the meetings with Hamas did not represent the

940
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: Trump administration's position. He also told ministers they received assurances

941
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 2: from the Trump administration that a quote won't happen again

942
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: and that Witkoff will be the only channel for the

943
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: negotiations over the hostages. Also some indications that I mean,

944
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: certainly they weren't able to strike a direct deal, but

945
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I think in principle you should

946
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: be negotiating with the parties who are involved in the negotiations.

947
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: That seems like it makes sense to me.

948
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: But you know, Trump administration, after getting a slap on

949
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 2: the rist here from Israel, seems to be pulling back

950
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: from that a bit.

951
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And let's put the Wall Street Journal piece

952
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: up on the screen, because this is actually kind of amazing,

953
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, as you said, inside of Israel, they he

954
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: actually went Adam Mueller on Israeli television to say his

955
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: main goal was just the release of the last American hostage.

956
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: But the Israeli public broadcasters were then basically furious with

957
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: him because they had told he had told them that

958
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: they had offered a five to ten year truce under

959
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: which they would release all of the hostages, and he

960
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: called it quote not a bad first offer, which is

961
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: where people really started to lose it. Now, it's still

962
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: unclear how much Bohler speaks for the administration. Donald Trump

963
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: backed him up. Yesterday, Secretary of State Marco Rubio kind

964
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: of has downplayed him a little bit. Let's put c

965
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: three guys, can we up on the screen. He said

966
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: that the US hostage direct meeting with Hamas was quote

967
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: a one off. They're affirming that Steve Witkoff is the sole, like,

968
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, major representative representative of the US government in

969
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: their talks with Hamas. But Boehler still is receiving back

970
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: up from the administration. One of the reasons why is

971
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: I looked into his background. He previously worked on the

972
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: Abraham Accords, and it does appear as you've got a

973
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: lot of trust in at least in some of the

974
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: closest circles. I think he also worked with Jared Kushner.

975
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: So basically, with all of that together, what we're seeing

976
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: is there's a split between actual like Israeli foreign policy

977
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: goals and at least rhetorically in where the Trump administration is.

978
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: I did see z say and suggest it's possible that

979
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: one reason Trump is ramping up this deportation of these

980
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: Palestinian students is specifically because he is behind the scenes

981
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: pursuing a lot of policy where even the Zionists people

982
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: will admit this, like if Biden Todd direct talks with Hamas,

983
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: they would lose. Like you would find Tom Cotton and

984
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: all those people screaming from the rooftop here there and

985
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: they're saying nothing because they can't really right. Yeah, So

986
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: I do think it's fascinating to watch this all play out,

987
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: and listen, I'm cheering for this more than anybody else,

988
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: like to have a guy, like a United States representative

989
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: to finally just say we're not an agent of Israel

990
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: and we have sometimes diversity interests. Just saying that, I mean,

991
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, the Zionists, like the Zionist people online, were

992
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: just absolutely furious with him for stating a basic fact

993
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: of national interest on behalf of the United States government

994
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: or that negotiating with terrorists. It's like, oh my god, again,

995
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: they are the people who are in control. What are

996
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: we supposed to do? They're holding our people. Of course

997
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: we would talk to them. Who wo, we be idiots

998
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: not to unless you don't care about the hostages. Oh okay,

999
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: all right, it's very interesting, isn't it. So there's a

1000
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: lot going on behind the scenes, a lot of you know,

1001
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: what do you think?

1002
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't know's.

1003
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: There's also a lot of vibes here too, of sort

1004
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 2: of like the Biden administration. Oh, Netanya, who's really upset

1005
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: with us? You know, like leaked the leaked conversations. Oh,

1006
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: they're really upset with us this time. Like Biden's really

1007
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 2: pushing Bebe and he's really you know, standing up for

1008
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: American interest. So it does have a little bit of

1009
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 2: those vibes reducts for me as well. Rubio ultimately said,

1010
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: the full quote was that was a one off situation

1011
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: in which our special envoy for hostages, whose job it

1012
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: is to get people released, had an opportunity to talk

1013
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: directly to someone who has control over these people and

1014
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: was given permission and couraged to do so. He did so.

1015
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: So you know again emphasia as a one off. It

1016
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: didn't bear fruit. We won't do it again. It's just

1017
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: gonna be wit Coff who you deal with going forward,

1018
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: et cetera.

1019
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1020
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: It feels like they're more or less walking back this

1021
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: approach that they were taking and the reason it made

1022
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: the Israeli so nervous and Smochrich actually made some comments

1023
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: to this effect. He said he that Bowler sought to

1024
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: conduct negotiations to free American hostages on his own accord

1025
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: and called it an utter mistake. The issue there is

1026
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: they're concerned that Trump and Bowler and Witcough and whoever

1027
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: are just going to go be like, Okay, we'll make

1028
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: a deal with you for our American hostages and then

1029
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: good luck with y'all with the rest of this whole thing.

1030
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: Do I think that's likely what happens. No, But that's

1031
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: their concern. And the other thing is that Bibe has

1032
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: positioned himself like, oh, my first paramount concern is the

1033
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: return of the hostages. That has obviously never been the case.

1034
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: But if the Trump administration actually followed through with the policy,

1035
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: where the primary goal actually was the return of the hostages. Well,

1036
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: that would move us forward significantly in terms of, you know,

1037
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: continuing to phase two of this agreement, trying to actually

1038
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: wrap down this war, etc. Because right now bib is

1039
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: you know, doing exactly what he promised to do, not

1040
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: moving forward with negotiations and threatening to restart the war.

1041
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 2: We also know, you know, the other piece to add

1042
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: into this is that the Trump administration is backing the

1043
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: new siege on Gaza, where humanitarian aid is being blocked

1044
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: and now electricity is being cut off, which is incredibly significant,

1045
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: not just for you know, electricity being important in general

1046
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: and hospitals needing electricity, et cetera, but you also need

1047
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: electricity to be able to you know, purify water, and

1048
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: it would cut off some seventy percent of access to

1049
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: water in the Gaza strips. So the Trump administration is

1050
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: backing them in that particular policy, which is obviously a

1051
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: collective punishment of war crime and porrent and counter to

1052
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: the direction of wanting to resolve this issue and move forward.

1053
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I continue to be not terribly hopeful.

1054
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not hopeful in the sense of

1055
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: my ideal. I am somewhat hopeful for having a envoy.

1056
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: He says, we're not your client state. And while yes,

1057
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: they may support this if they were able to get

1058
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: some sort of five to ten year truce, which clearly

1059
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: these Raelis are freaking out about because they're wondering if

1060
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: that's even a remote possibility. We went from basically zero

1061
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: chance I think under Biden to I don't know what

1062
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: fifteen two percent that's high enough. Yeah, Phase two right

1063
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: now is still up in the air. I wouldn't bet

1064
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: on it per se, but Wakoff is still dedicated to it.

1065
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: Trump has not yet mentioned we're going to take over

1066
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: Gaza in what the last like ten fifteen days or so.

1067
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that he didn't say anything in the State

1068
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: of the Union. All right. Ever, since that stupid video

1069
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: of bearded women and woke Gaza gone woke, haven't heard

1070
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: anything from the guy, So maybe you know there's something

1071
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: there right now. Actually, Secretary of Rubio is in Saudi

1072
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: Arabia meeting with the Ukrainians. But importantly, the readout from

1073
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: his meeting with MBS was that they discussed the reconstruction

1074
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: of Gaza. Don't forget that the dream of the Trump

1075
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: administration is Saudi is really normalization deal, of which the

1076
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: Saudi say they will not sign unless there is a

1077
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: free God or at least a different gaza under either

1078
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: the Palestinian authority or some sort of separate political entity.

1079
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: So they have a lot of different, you know, things

1080
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: that are pressing against them from the uae Emir, who

1081
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Speaker 1: is also very close with the Trump administration, and the

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Speaker 1: Nowadiys of course have a ton of money that they

1083
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: very easily can deploy not only in our politics, but

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Speaker 1: they can effect the Ukraine situation as well. Part of

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Speaker 1: the reason that these talks are happening in Riod literally

1086
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Speaker 1: as we speak. Yeah, oh, I'm not discounting all that

1087
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Speaker 1: just yet. You know.

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00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: I just to go back to Buller's comments about like, oh,

1089
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 2: they're worried that we're going to realize there are good guys,

1090
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: they don't have horns coming out of their heads or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I actually think that comment is really revealing, and I

1092
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 2: think it does speak exactly to.

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Speaker 3: Why there is such a prohibition on.

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Speaker 2: They were very upset when Witkoff went to Gaza, obviously

1095
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: very upset about the direct talks with Hamas because you know,

1096
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: the Natan Yahoo has built his political career on making

1097
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: Hamas the ultimate boogeyman that you can never talk to,

1098
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 2: you can never negotiate. As long as they're there, there's

1099
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 2: no partner for peace. They're just like the epitome of

1100
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: absolute evil. And I know I'm not here to like

1101
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: whitewash or sanitize Hmas and what they're all about and

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00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: the things that they've done or whatever. But you know,

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00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: when you're actually sitting face to face with members of

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00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: that group and you're talking to them, and they're explaining

1105
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: their reasoning and they're staking out positions and negotiating you

1106
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 2: with you like they are human beings, because they are,

1107
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: it makes it much more difficult to maintain.

1108
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 3: That caricature and have its stick.

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00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 2: And it's such an important part both of Beebe's power

1110
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: and of you know, overall Hasbara propaganda campaigns that I

1111
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: think that is that really does speak to why they're

1112
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: such a freak out at the mere idea of any

1113
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: American representative meeting face to face with Hamas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see. I'm definitely enjoying some of the

1115
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: freak out that's going on over there. And if Trump

1116
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: wants to go more in this direction, be my guest.

1117
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: The problem, as you know, is that there is a

1118
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: major political force here in this town where even the

1119
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: mere suggestion of this the light up, you know, the phone,

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00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio. Can you imagine, you know, all of the

1121
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: people calling people like Mere Adelson and others and their

1122
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: pressure points over there. So there is a massive pressure

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00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: campaign in Washington outside of Washington trying to basically derail

1124
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: any of this. Their dream is basically just blank check

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00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: to Israel and then basically in an abandonment of a

1126
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: lot of this hostage negotiation period, right, And so for

1127
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: them watching them go from their wildest dream of America

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00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: is going to take over Gaza to no, we're talking

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00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: about Hamas in a five ten year truce. It must

1130
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: be dizzying, and they're trying everything they possibly can to

1131
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: push back against it.

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Speaker 2: The next segment cuts against the idea that we aren't

1133
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: an agent of Israel, since we are apparently crushing people's

1134
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: free speech rights in service of making sure they can

1135
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 2: never criticize a foreign government. Yesterday we covered the story

1136
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Speaker 2: of Mahmun Khalil. He's a Columbia University graduate student who

1137
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 2: is a Green card holder so, a permanent resident of

1138
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: the United States who was a leader in the pro

1139
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: Palestine protest on Columbia's campus. He was arrested, reportedly without

1140
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 2: a warrant and put into a DHS facility and slated

1141
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: for deportation based on his protest activities. Now, we actually

1142
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: haven't gotten really any specifics from the administration about exactly

1143
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: why they targeted this guy, although we'll get to that

1144
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: in a minute, of why he ended up probably being

1145
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: at the top of their list.

1146
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Speaker 3: But we did get.

1147
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: Some what I considered to be encouraging news here, which

1148
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: is that yesterday a judge weighed in on this case.

1149
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 2: I was concerned that we weren't even going to get

1150
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: to like an immigration judge or going through normal due process,

1151
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: which you know, if you are a Green card holder,

1152
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: you have most of the rights of a US citizen,

1153
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: including certainly rights to due process. So we can put

1154
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: this important update on the screen here. Ryan has been

1155
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: following this closely, so he says, a federal judge has

1156
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: temporarily blocked the deportation of Mahmu Khalil, the Columbia protester

1157
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: detained by the Trump administration, and they also ordered that

1158
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Speaker 2: Council for all Parties appear for a conference with the

1159
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,479
Speaker 2: Court on March twelfth at eleven thirty am in New York.

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Speaker 2: And they said Council must confirm advance of the conference

1161
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Speaker 2: to submit a joint letter no later than today March eleventh,

1162
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Speaker 2: So you know they are intervening here swiftly. They also

1163
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: said they needed to preserve the court's jurisdiction pending a

1164
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: ruling on the petition, the petitioner shall not be removed

1165
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: from the United States and less and.

1166
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Speaker 3: Until the Court orders otherwise.

1167
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: So there seems to have been some concern here Soger,

1168
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 2: that the administration was just going to deport him before

1169
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: the justice system the immigration courts had a chance to

1170
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: weigh in on whether or not this was a lawful

1171
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: revocation of his green card holder status. Trump administration though

1172
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: certainly doubling down, tripling down, quadrupling down, whatever. We've got

1173
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Speaker 2: a couple of messages here from both Trump directly and

1174
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Speaker 2: from the White House account as well.

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Speaker 3: It can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Trump posted this on truth following my I previously signed

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Speaker 2: executive orders. Ice proudly apprehended and de tayed machmu Khalil

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Speaker 2: a radical foreign pro hamas student on the campus of

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Speaker 2: Columbia University. By the way, it was also revealed that

1180
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Speaker 2: the DHS agent who arrested him was one of the

1181
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: guest special guests that Trump honored at the State of

1182
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: the Union, so you've got that as well. He goes

1183
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: on to say, this is the first arrest of many

1184
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: to come. We know there are more students at Columbia

1185
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: and other universities across the country who engaged in pro terrorists,

1186
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: anti Semitic, anti American activity, and the Trump administration will

1187
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: not tolerate it. Many are not students, they are paid agitators.

1188
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 2: We will find apprehended to port these terrorist sympathizers from

1189
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Speaker 2: our country, never to return again. If you support terrorism,

1190
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: including the slaughtering of innocent men, women, and children, your presence,

1191
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: it's contrary to our national foreign policy interest. You are

1192
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 2: not welcome here. We expect every one of America's colleges

1193
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: and universities to comply. Thank you, and then put the

1194
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: next one up on the screen, specifically targeting Mahmoud. The

1195
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: White House account put out this image of him that

1196
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: says Shalom machmod and then has a quote from Trump

1197
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: that says we will find, apprehend, and deport these terrorist

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00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: sympathizers from our country, never to return again.

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Speaker 1: President Donald White House the United States using a Hebrew

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Speaker 1: term interesting. Okay, all right, got it.

1201
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 3: But we're not agents of Israel.

1202
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: Don't worry like this whole thing is preposterous. Uh, and

1203
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: just looking, you know, why don't we play his words?

1204
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: I think that's important because everybody's talking about him, uh, characterizing,

1205
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: et cetera. Here this was from an oppo account. I

1206
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: want to make everybody clear on that this was posted

1207
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: by somebody who was making the case for why you should.

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00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: Be Yeah, so this is a cherry pick us they like,

1209
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: oh see.

1210
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 3: How reasonable.

1211
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: No, this is the people who want to depoort him, right,

1212
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: compiling online dossiers of what they consider to be the

1213
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: worst things that they could find.

1214
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: So let's find it that he did.

1215
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: So this is c ten guys, let's go ahead and

1216
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 3: play it.

1217
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 6: Are you guys going to listen to the university and

1218
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 6: lead the in cam in here?

1219
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 9: Of course not. The university is the one who should

1220
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 9: listen to us. They should listen to their student body

1221
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 9: who are demanding to end their their investment and the

1222
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 9: war that's happening in Palestine. Our our demands are clear.

1223
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 9: Our demands are regarding the investment from from the Israeli occupation,

1224
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 9: the companies that are profiting and and contributing to the

1225
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 9: genocide of our people. Again the university. Uh, once again,

1226
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 9: they are so stubborn and and listening to their students.

1227
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 9: They they they are treating this matter as a disciplinary matter.

1229
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 4: They're not.

1230
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 9: They're not treating this as an anti war movement, an

1231
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 9: anti war movement that that actually gathered thousands of students here.

1232
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 9: They that actually sparked thousands of students across the United States.

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Speaker 1: How far are you all willing to go here on campus.

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00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 9: We're going to go as far as as as we

1235
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 9: need to to to pressure the university from from from

1236
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 9: the pressure the university today invest from from the occupation.

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00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 9: This is up to the group that neither true of

1239
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 9: tigbook to decide how far they will go. But now

1240
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 9: it's clear that the students are will remain here. They

1241
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 9: will stay here until they achieved their units.

1242
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Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't hear anything that bad there. I mean,

1243
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: you can disagree with the guy. That's okay, you could

1244
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: deport him if he committed a crime, I'd be okay

1245
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: with that fine too, But he didn't commit a crime.

1246
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: He actually has not violated both New York State law,

1247
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: of New York City law, and or US government. Now,

1248
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: according to them, what they're saying is that they can

1249
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: make a case for deportation based on any alien present

1250
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: in the United States who poses a direct threat two

1251
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: hour foreign policy. Now that's a very interesting justification because

1252
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: what threat would it make two our foreign policy? So

1253
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: are we saying that his presence in the United States

1254
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: would be detrimental to the US relationship with Israel? Because

1255
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: if we're saying that, we're basically acknowledging that these campus

1256
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: protests are now a leverage point for the Israeli government

1257
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: in its relations with US. Now, they're not even supposed

1258
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: to have opinions about protests on our soil, I should

1259
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: you know. Look, if the US government was openly supporting

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01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: or not those protests happening in Tel avivon it was

1261
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: like shut up, all right, let them deal with it.

1262
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: But even that's a little difference, since we do pay

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01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: for most of the stuff that's going on in their country.

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01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: I just think the whole thing is the most preposterous

1265
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: overreach I've ever seen. And that's another thing. I want

1266
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: to speak directly to a lot of these forces that

1267
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: are cheering this on. You have no idea what's coming

1268
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: your way when you break the seal something like this,

1269
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: you want to openly set the standard that people who

1270
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: protest on a foreign government are going to be violated

1271
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: or their due process rights and revoked permanent residency in

1272
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Speaker 1: the United States of America. That is like an anti

1273
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: Semitic caricature of how people are saying, but it's reality now.

1274
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: And so when you then at the simultaneously speak out

1275
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: against the Eai Carols of the world on Joe Rogan

1276
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: or Candae Owins or any of these other folks who

1277
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: are noticing things, even if oftentimes they may say things

1278
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: that are incorrect or whatever, good luck to you trying

1279
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: to police the opinion, because I think that Americans have

1280
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: very very open eyes, and especially if you're somebody like

1281
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: me who wants to see a lot less immigration here

1282
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: in the United States. It's absolutely insane that the United

1283
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: States government has actually paused military deportation flights because of

1284
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: the cost they got doged. So the cost of apprehending

1285
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: people who are present here illegally in the United States.

1286
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: Has is something that we can't bear. The deportation numbers

1287
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: are basically where they were with Biden, not particularly all

1288
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: that great, and the full force of the White House

1289
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: of the United States of America is focused on some

1290
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: campus protester. Give me a break if you think that's

1291
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: anywhere even close to America. First, so for all those

1292
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: people out there, for all the people who are supporting,

1293
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: cheering all of us on, good luck to you in

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Speaker 1: the future. You have the cannon worms, the Pandora's box

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Speaker 1: that you're opening, you bear a total responsibility for it.

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Speaker 2: I mean this truly is it truly is a new

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Speaker 2: red scare. I mean it truly is like it justifies

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Speaker 2: the term McCarthyist, because they're saying openly it's not just this,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing special about this particular guy. We have a

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Speaker 2: whole list. There are going to be many more to come.

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Speaker 2: They sent letters to sixty different universities accusing them and

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Speaker 2: saying that they're going to be you know, there's going

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Speaker 2: to be enforcement actions for them not upholding the civil

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Speaker 2: rights of Jewish students.

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Speaker 3: And if you read what they.

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Speaker 2: Put down, it would be impossible for anyone to really

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Speaker 2: prove that they complied with what they want. You know,

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Speaker 2: to your point, Sager, we were all chuckling yesterday and

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Speaker 2: Culter put on a tweet that said, there's almost no

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Speaker 2: one I don't want to deport, but unless they've committed

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Speaker 2: a crime, isn't this a violation of the First Amendment.

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Speaker 3: So even in.

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Speaker 2: Culter is like, yeah, this particular deportation, I'm not really

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Speaker 2: sure that I'm on board with this one. And so

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Speaker 2: you know, it is preposterous, it is naked, and yes

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Speaker 2: it is dangerous. I mean it is a dangerous assault.

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Speaker 2: The intent is a witch hunt to create an example

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Speaker 2: so that people shut up about an issue that the

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Speaker 2: administration does not want to hear about, that they find

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Speaker 2: to be politically inconvenient, that you know, some significant of

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Speaker 2: their allies and donors find to be politically inconvenient and

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Speaker 2: disagree with and everyone, I don't care where you stand

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Speaker 2: on this issue.

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Speaker 3: Like you should you.

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Speaker 2: In fact, if you disagree with these protesters, it's even

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Speaker 2: more important for you to stand up for these First

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Speaker 2: Amendment rights, because that's when it counts, when it is difficult,

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Speaker 2: when it is potentially unpopular. Although I have to say,

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Speaker 2: you know, the other thing that has been really noteworthy

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Speaker 2: is how has this whole approach gone for you guys

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Speaker 2: in terms of maintaining support for Israel. I can tell

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Speaker 2: you if you look at numbers across the board in

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Speaker 2: terms of when they ask who do you sympathize more

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Speaker 2: with Israelis or Palestinians, those numbers have shifted dramatically towards Palestinians.

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Speaker 2: In the Democratic Party specifically, it's completely switched, completely switched.

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Speaker 2: So now many more Democrats say they are more sympathetic

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Speaker 2: to Palestinians than Israelis. I cannot tell you what to

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Speaker 2: see change that is in terms of American public opinion.

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Speaker 2: And so for a country that is so dependent on

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Speaker 2: the United States of America to provide a diplomatic shield

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Speaker 2: and funding and military resources and all sorts of other

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Speaker 2: things besides to be gambling with public opinion like this,

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Speaker 2: you are one president away from someone who actually represents

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Speaker 2: those shifts in the country from things being completely and

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Speaker 2: totally different. Not to mention, you know, when you have

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Speaker 2: the whole United States government cracking down on college student

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Speaker 2: protesters for protesting israel foreign government, and you are you

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Speaker 2: the Zionists conflate all the time Jews with Israel, something

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Speaker 2: that the left is very careful and people who object

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Speaker 2: to these follows are very careful to not conflate those

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Speaker 2: two and say these are two very separate things. But

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Speaker 2: the Zionist supporters frequently conflate Israel and non Jewish people. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: do you think you're going to cause an increase in

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Speaker 2: anti Semitism? Do you think that you're going to cause

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Speaker 2: an increased spread in these sorts of tropes when it

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Speaker 2: does seem like the US government is more interested in

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Speaker 2: policing speech of Americans on behalf of this foreign country

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Speaker 2: of course, Like, of course that's going to happen, and

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Speaker 2: it is happening, so you know, this is an insane

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Speaker 2: violation of First Amendment rights. These sorts of things never

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Speaker 2: stay with you know, people who are over there you

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Speaker 2: don't really care about, or issues that you aren't really

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Speaker 2: particularly keen on. This is an aggressive crushing of descent,

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Speaker 2: and every American who cares about their own rights needs

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Speaker 2: to care about what is happening with MACUCLI.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well there you go. All right, Oh, why don't

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Speaker 1: we play put C eleven up there from fire? We

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Speaker 1: got to show them some LFE.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta give them some lay.

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Speaker 1: They're a great organization. Fire has written now to the

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Speaker 1: Department of Homeland Security the Justice Department, requesting answers. This

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Speaker 1: is America. The administration must not use immigration enforcement to

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Speaker 1: punish and filter out ideas disfavored by the government, or

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Speaker 1: deny due process to anyone facing arrest and detention. They

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Speaker 1: ask a series of questions, what is a specific legal

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Speaker 1: and factual basis for a coloil's arrest, for his detention

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Speaker 1: for which you are seeking revocation of the careen card

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Speaker 1: for where he'd be afforded due process protections required by

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Speaker 1: US law? And is it your intention to seek the

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Speaker 1: revocation of lawful immigration status on the basis of speech

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Speaker 1: protected by the First Amendment. So we'll find out some

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Speaker 1: answers to that question. Yeah, certainly.

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Speaker 2: Well, one last thing I wanted to note on this is,

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Speaker 2: you know, they were passing all these like definitions of

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Speaker 2: anti Semitism and we were covering it here, and some

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Speaker 2: of the pushback was like, ah, this is just kind

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Speaker 2: of meaningless, like it's no big deal, They're just doing that.

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Speaker 2: People say that, Yeah, yes, people were like down playing

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Speaker 2: that this mattered. Well, Rubio is asserting that Mahmud Khalil

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Speaker 2: is you know, damaging our foreign policy on the basis

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Speaker 2: that part of our foreign policy is to combat anti

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Speaker 2: Semitism around the world. And so those definitions that were

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Speaker 2: passed come directly into play. As far as I can tell,

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Speaker 2: and as we covered here and as you guys likely know,

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Speaker 2: they very clearly conflate criticism of Israel with anti semitism.

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Speaker 2: So those that's why it mattered that these official definitions

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Speaker 2: were being adopted by the White House and passed through Congress,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, because now you have a situation where they

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Speaker 2: could say, oh, well, he said, you know, he criticized Israel.

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Speaker 2: He said there should be a one state solution. He said,

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Speaker 2: from the river to the sea, Palaesigne should be free.

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Speaker 2: So this is a problem for our foreign policy of

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Speaker 2: combating anti Semitism as defined by these you know, this

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Speaker 2: resolution that we adopted. So that's why the things ultimately

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Speaker 2: end up really mattering a lot, and you know, we'll

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Speaker 2: see what happens. One other thing that I read is

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Speaker 2: that a lot of times administrations will go like judge

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Speaker 2: shopping for the immigration particular immigration judge that they want.

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Speaker 2: We know, we can put C nine up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: We know now that Mahmud has been moved all the

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Speaker 2: way to Louisiana. And so the suspicion is that they

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Speaker 2: are going to attempt to judge shop and get a

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Speaker 2: Louisiana judge that they think will be more favorable to

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Speaker 2: their arguments versus the judge that immediately jumped in here

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Speaker 2: to you know, say you can't deport this guy. We're

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Speaker 2: going to have a hearing, et cetera. That's a New

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Speaker 2: York judge. So we'll see how all this plays on

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Speaker 2: the legal system.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they're going to be very very curious.

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Speaker 6: Yeah,