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Speaker 1: Welcome to Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday the

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Speaker 1: Road Forward. What is the price of freedom? As Christians,

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Speaker 1: we understand that the ultimate price of freedom was paid

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Speaker 1: for by the blood of Jesus Christ. It costs so

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Speaker 1: great that it can never be measured. We know that

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Speaker 1: in America, freedom isn't free, It comes at the greatest price.

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Speaker 1: So what do we do with our freedom? We must

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Speaker 1: recognize that freedom is both a privilege and a responsibility,

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Speaker 1: and when it comes to faith, it is the freedom

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Speaker 1: to do what is right. It is not the freedom

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Speaker 1: to simply do what we want, but to do what

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Speaker 1: that freedom and to pass it along to the next generation.

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Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan reminded us that freedom is always one generation

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Speaker 1: away from extinction, and so we must renew that same

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Speaker 1: sacrifice to ensure that it is maintained. Our scripture today

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Speaker 1: comes from Philippians Chapter two, verses nine through eleven. Therefore

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Speaker 1: God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the

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Speaker 1: name that is above every name, so that at the

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Virgil Walker. Virgil is the co

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Speaker 1: host of the Just Thinking podcast. He's also a writer,

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Speaker 1: is out now. Virgil, Welcome to Sunday the Road Forward.

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Speaker 5: Great to see you, always a joy to be with you,

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Speaker 5: brother Well.

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Speaker 1: I was disappointed this week, but certainly not shocked to

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Speaker 1: here and witness the passing of doctor John MacArthur, legendary

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Speaker 1: preacher of the Gospel, expositor pastor at Grace Community Church

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Speaker 1: out in California. He pastored for over fifty six years.

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Speaker 1: I know he meant a lot to you. He meant

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Speaker 1: a lot to me personally. We were friends. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about that and what that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this whole you know, I knew his passing was eminent,

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Speaker 5: but this whole process is really multifaceted. You kind of

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Speaker 5: mentioned it at the top. There's a personal aspect to this,

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Speaker 5: because you know, I count considered you know, doctor John MacArthur.

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Speaker 5: I have that level of respect. I call him doctor

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Speaker 5: John MacArthur. He only wanted to be known as John, Uh,

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Speaker 5: just a humble servant of the Lord. Didn't didn't look

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Speaker 5: for platforms and notoriety. So there's a there's a personal

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Speaker 5: There's another level or layer of this where people who've

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Speaker 5: been impacted all across the country and literally around the

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Speaker 5: world by things like the uh John MacArthur study Bible,

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Speaker 5: by the preaching UH that that that was so evident

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Speaker 5: in his ministry through grace to you, through through books

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Speaker 5: and other writings that he had that they're witnessing and

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Speaker 5: recognizing that that voice is now is now gone.

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Speaker 5: And and then thirdly, and I think even even on

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Speaker 5: and the impact uh that that that that big, big

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Speaker 5: that that is gone, he has gone. That voice is gone,

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Speaker 5: and so now becomes a new you know, new layer

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Speaker 5: that he just finished well. It's difficult to say with

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Speaker 5: he finished well, and so that was really really important.

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Speaker 1: He believed in the gospel he preached, and I love

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Speaker 1: kind of deconstruction and a walking away. Doctor MacArthur, you know,

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Speaker 1: of them, Virgil, and for this morning and for those

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Speaker 1: this pandemic is not quite so pan or Demicuh, it

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Speaker 1: And doctor MacArthur without being told, I mean, he couldn't

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Speaker 1: the behest of many were saying, we're alone, we can't

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Speaker 1: He added his he had so much love for people.

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Speaker 5: That was that was incredibly evident. I'll share this briefly.

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Speaker 5: And again there the millions and millions of podcasts that

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Speaker 5: But that that on on his invitation, Daryl Harrison, my

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Speaker 5: and later on I would get a chance to have

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Speaker 5: he heard he literally heard my voices as I said, hey,

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Speaker 5: He says, ah that voice and then walks up and

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Speaker 5: He was the warm, personable individual.

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Speaker 1: I and just the moments that remain, we have a

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Speaker 1: few more minutes, but I just want to talk rather

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Speaker 1: pointedly about what is what is transpiring around Chip and

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Speaker 1: Joanna Games. There's a lot of confusion. There's there are

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Speaker 1: people who were caught off guard, uh, to to discover

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Speaker 1: know Christians around there. Certainly there was there's been public outcry,

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Speaker 1: that are saying this is this is absolutely reprehensible. This

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Speaker 1: is a betrayal of the Gospel, and then also a

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Speaker 1: betrayal of the very core supporters that they have had

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's it's sad. It's sad. On on a

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Speaker 5: number of levels. You see this this quote unquote Christian

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Speaker 5: who want to see great examples of faithful believers on

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Speaker 5: they received, and unfortunately, there's some level of being relevant

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Speaker 5: that cost is the embrace of things that are not biblical.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is doctor William Lyle, best known as

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Speaker 1: Doctor Lyle, thank you for joining us. Great to see you.

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Speaker 6: Great to see you as well, Ryan and I appreciate

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Speaker 1: You know, this morning, we've been reminiscing on the passing

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Speaker 6: Well, our loss is Heaven's gain. I mean, he was

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Speaker 1: You know what, I wholeheartedly agree in co sign with

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Speaker 1: And thank you for those thoughts. When it comes to

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Speaker 6: The numbers of abortions have actually since the reversal of

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Speaker 6: at least sixty four percent of the reported abortions they're

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Speaker 6: But it's also coming in from India, it's coming in

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Speaker 1: So what is it that is allowing this to sort

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Speaker 1: It was ultimately defeated because they didn't meet the sixty

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Speaker 6: There is a lot of work. And this is not

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Speaker 6: this is a spiritual battle, and this is why we

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Speaker 6: And these are my patients. It's amazing how technology is advancing.

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Speaker 6: wom All fifty states have patients Bills of Rights, and

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Speaker 1: You're exactly right, I got just one minute. I do

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Speaker 6: Sure, our pastors, this nation was built on godly principles

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Speaker 6: But we need to educate our pastors and equip our

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. And you know, everything that is happening.

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Speaker 1: mean it's not happening today. It certainly is, and we

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Speaker 1: do need boldness in our pulpits. And something that I

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Speaker 1: heard from doctor MacArthur years ago, soft preaching makes for

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Speaker 1: hard hearts, but hard preaching makes for soft hearts. That's

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Speaker 1: exactly what we need. We'll leave it there, Doctor Bill Lyle,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 6: Bush my friend.

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Speaker 4: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 4: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 4: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Grace Riley. Grace is a gen

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Speaker 1: Z conservative advocate with the goal of reaching her generation

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Speaker 1: for conservative values in truth. She is a cultural commentator

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Speaker 1: and an analyst with Restoration of America. Grace, thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining Sunday the Road Forward. It is so good to

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Speaker 1: see you.

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Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me. It's such a

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Speaker 9: pleasure to join you this morning.

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Speaker 1: Well, I what I appreciate so much is Grace you

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Speaker 1: are You're a representative of this next generation. It's the

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Speaker 1: very generation that many people are trying to reach. Whether

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Speaker 1: whether you're in ministry and you're you're a pastor, you're

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Speaker 1: you're you're looking at reaching your generation. If you're a

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Speaker 1: uh and so it's an encouragement grace to see you

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Speaker 1: out there boldly talking about truthful things, hard things, I

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Speaker 1: the things that I think people are wondering about in

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Speaker 1: the wake of this last election, going all the way

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Speaker 1: that actually voted in support of President Trump. They mail

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Speaker 1: in particular gen Z voters who were voting conservative for

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Speaker 1: course liberal and socialistic policies values that are on the

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Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, there's a lot to look at when we

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Speaker 9: consider gen Z and this past election definitely proved a

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Speaker 9: when gen Z went for Trump. Now that being said,

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Speaker 9: I think gen Z definitely, as they're coming into adulthood,

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Speaker 9: seriously because their start they had to experience the economic

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Speaker 9: So they were voting for a new hope, you know,

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Speaker 9: low when it comes to patriotism. And this was really

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Speaker 9: though it's great to see gen Z vote for Conservatives

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Speaker 9: back in twenty twenty four, it doesn't mean that that's

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Speaker 9: a definite hardline future path way for young people. Because

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Speaker 9: in a new Gallup poll, it showed that just thirty

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Speaker 9: six percent of Democrats were proud to be American, and

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Speaker 9: a large driver of that number was actually gen Z

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Speaker 9: dragging it down. And I think what we should consider

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Speaker 9: with this is I think that so many in gen Z,

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Speaker 9: blessings that we almost don't know what to do with

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Speaker 9: all of it. And what they say about good times

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Speaker 9: and weak men and so everything like that. And it's

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Speaker 9: very clear that gen Z seems to not realize how

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Speaker 9: great we have it, even amongst even just amongst all

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Speaker 9: be to be American.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you point out a really important point. And this

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Speaker 1: to almost invent his own party, the America Party. It's

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Speaker 1: the economic concerns, the average age. I just had a

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Speaker 1: late thirties, which is absolutely stunning when you think about

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Speaker 1: where we were as a country. It's just a few

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Speaker 1: decades ago. The average age of a first time home

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Speaker 1: buyer used to always be in the twenties, mid sometimes

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Speaker 1: mid to late but always in that first decade of adulthood.

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Speaker 1: But now that trend is changing. Why is that important

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Speaker 1: Because a long time ago, Grace, when this country was founded,

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Speaker 1: you start, you had to be a landholder, you know,

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Speaker 1: well you just have to be you need to be

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Speaker 1: changed where people that are making arguments for socialist and

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Speaker 1: the grievances of a generation that is not realizing and

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Speaker 1: cannot afford that American dream. And part of that is

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Speaker 1: having a place to call home, a place that your own,

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Speaker 1: and a place you're not renting from. And I think

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Speaker 1: that is contributing to the decline, the steep and start

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Speaker 1: decline of this next generation not loving the country they

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that we grew up thinking that we

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Speaker 9: was going to be something so challenging that almost you know,

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Speaker 9: looks seemingly impossible, I think for young people just looking

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Speaker 9: gone now. So I think that that's incredibly significant, and

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Speaker 9: I think too, on the topic of socialism that you mentioned,

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Speaker 9: there are young people that seem to lean in that direction.

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Speaker 9: I would are argue that if more young people truly

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Speaker 9: understood what socialism was and the ways that it would

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Speaker 9: further hurt their opportunity, freedoms, liberties, and the economy in

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Speaker 9: decline of the education system, don't truly understand what socialism is.

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Speaker 9: And hopefully we as patriots can continue to spread the

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Speaker 9: things like what's going on in New York, because that's

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Speaker 9: truly what young people need to wake up to, because

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Speaker 9: we're the present and future of this country and it's

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Speaker 9: so important that we understand things like basic economics and

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Speaker 9: the types of policies that will really propel our country

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Speaker 9: forward into future success.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I can't help and we need to talk about this,

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Speaker 1: but to notice that under Tom Homan our borders and

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of success that's being had right now,

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Speaker 1: but this is a concern for your generation as well.

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Speaker 1: When we think about human sex trafficking, we think about,

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Speaker 1: crossing or crossing the border under the Biden administration, When

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Speaker 1: we think about overdoses of fentanyl for drugs that are

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Speaker 1: being illegally trafficked across the Southern border, this this is

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Speaker 1: killing your generation. And we think about the young lives

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Speaker 1: of women that were tragically taken by illegal immigrants, Lake

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Speaker 1: down that border. How are you taking this moment in.

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Speaker 9: Yeah? Absolutely. I think that it's astonishing to see the

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Speaker 9: addition to this, there have been down months all throughout

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Speaker 9: the amount per day sometimes under the Biden administration, So

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Speaker 9: it definitely is a new era of law and order,

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Speaker 9: and for young people, I think that it really does

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Speaker 9: hit home. It really hits home for all Americans because

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Speaker 9: someone like Lake and Riley was my age when she

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Speaker 9: was attacked and brutally murdered by an illegal alien, and

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Speaker 9: that's the sort of thing that happened, as you said,

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Speaker 9: unfortunately across the country and even Restoration of America. The

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Speaker 9: company that I work for did a website called Illegal

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Speaker 9: Alienscrimes dot com, so illegal Aliencrimes dot com just to

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Speaker 9: and that showed Americans that this is a problem that

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Speaker 9: hits close to home for everyone. It's not just something

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Speaker 9: that was impacting border states. And to hit on the

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Speaker 9: human trafficking point as well, I think something that is

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Speaker 9: largely forgotten and not talked about enough is the fact

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Speaker 9: that it's making people who are coming to our country

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Speaker 9: safer to have law and order at the border as well.

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Speaker 9: Because having order and making sure that we're not enabling

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Speaker 9: there's less trafficking, where we're not having hundreds and thousands

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Speaker 9: of children just go missing, which is what happened under

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Speaker 9: the Biden administration. So this order actually makes everyone safer,

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Speaker 9: both Americans and people who are trying to enter into

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Speaker 9: our country. And there's no question that we should have

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Speaker 9: a legal law and order process. And that's something that

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Speaker 9: gen Z should get behind because it really is common sense.

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Speaker 9: It puts America first, and it also makes us able

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Speaker 9: to help people who really need it.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate what you just said there. It is America

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Speaker 1: first and it does help the people who need it.

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Speaker 1: We'll leave it there, Grace Riley, thank you so much

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Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 4: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 4: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Rod Martin. He is the founder

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Speaker 1: and CEO of Martin Capital. He is an entrepreneur, an author,

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Speaker 1: and a political commentator. You can find him at Rodart

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Speaker 1: dot org. Rod, thank you for joining us. Great to

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Speaker 1: see you, Great to be here. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about what's coming out of the big

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Speaker 1: beautiful bill. Certainly those on the left, Democrats in particular,

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Speaker 1: want to call this a nightmare. There are also there's

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Speaker 1: quite a bit of scare mongering among conservatives. I am

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Speaker 1: a conservative. I am hawkish when it comes to national

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Speaker 1: debt and deficits.

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Speaker 4: I don't like it.

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Speaker 1: But Rod talk about the key wins in this bill,

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Speaker 1: because I think it's really really important to understand as

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Speaker 1: we go into the dog days of summer.

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Speaker 5: Well, look, if you're on the left, it is a nightmare.

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Speaker 5: There's no question about it.

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Speaker 3: They were set to give us the biggest tax hike

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Speaker 3: in American history if this bill didn't pass because the

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Speaker 3: Trump tax cuts, the tax cuts and drawbacks of twenty

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Speaker 3: seventeen were set to expire. And so we're going to

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Speaker 3: get this enormous tax hike. And don't think that Democrats

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Speaker 3: we're in any way concerned about that. They ran on

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Speaker 3: repealing the Trump tax cuts, they just never had the

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Speaker 3: votes to do it. So they were ecstatic about the

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Speaker 3: prospect of that. This is a nightmare for them, and

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Speaker 3: it is wonderful for conservatives for the same reason. Art

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Speaker 3: Laugher and Steve Moore and you, Larry Cudlow and the

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Speaker 3: rest of us have been saying for quite some time.

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Speaker 3: This creates predictability in the tax code, It does some

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Speaker 3: pretty important things to improve on the twenty seventeen Act,

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Speaker 3: and it lays the foundation for economic growth. You have

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Speaker 3: to have growth because you can't cut enough out of

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Speaker 3: the federal budget to actually balance the budget. It can't

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Speaker 3: really be done. You can say, well, you can always

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Speaker 3: do anything you want. Well, not politically, you can't, because,

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Speaker 3: as it happens, the discretionary portion of our budget and

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Speaker 3: the deficit are almost identical, so you would have to

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Speaker 3: eliminate defense and air traffic control, and drug approvals and embassies.

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Speaker 3: You'd have to get rid of all of them just

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Speaker 3: to balance the budget. And the interest in Medicare, Medicaid,

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Speaker 3: social Security just keep growing. So until you're ready to

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Speaker 3: throw Grandma off social Security, you have to grow the

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Speaker 3: economy enough to increase tax revenues enough to get there.

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Speaker 3: And if we can get to three percent economic growth,

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Speaker 3: which is less than what we averaged from World War

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Speaker 3: Two until Barack Obama, if we can just get to

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Speaker 3: three percent, we start not just not just reducing the deficit,

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Speaker 3: actually eliminating the deficit, going into surplus and paying down

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Speaker 3: the debt.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to throw this in there because

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Speaker 1: we had doctor Bill Lyle on the show just a

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Speaker 1: little bit earlier, and I think this is an important point.

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Speaker 1: This is something that Larry Summers and others have said.

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Speaker 1: You know, part of the economic growth that came out

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Speaker 1: of World War Two that put us in the double

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Speaker 1: digit category and led to you know, the greatest success

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Speaker 1: story in the United States making us a powerhouse was

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Speaker 1: the fact that we had the baby boomer generation. We're

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Speaker 1: at fertility rates that you know, at one point seven percent,

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Speaker 1: and the replacement population is not there. Elon Musk is

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Speaker 1: even saying we need more kids, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: a big part of economic growth, is actually having kids.

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Speaker 1: A replacement population that comes up, and it needs to

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Speaker 1: at least our birth rate needs to be at two

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Speaker 1: point one or higher. Do you see the same thing?

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Speaker 7: There?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely the biggest problem we face, and you can offset

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Speaker 3: it a little bit with robotics and artificial intelligence. The

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Speaker 3: there's a limit to how much that gets you. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you can increase productivity, but your consumer economy just goes

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Speaker 3: into free fall over time. That's not going to affect

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Speaker 3: the United States as much as the rest of the

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Speaker 3: world because we do attract an incredible number of immigrants,

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Speaker 3: and in fact, we allow in one point one million

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Speaker 3: There's nothing like it in the world. But countries like China,

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Speaker 3: which is now at a one point oh total fertility rate,

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Speaker 3: they're still dropping. They're looking to stabilize around zero point eight.

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Speaker 3: They're going to lose seventy five percent of their population

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Speaker 3: by the end of the century. At that rate, everything

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Speaker 3: they're trying to turn it around is failing. And the

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Speaker 3: bottom line is you just have fewer and fewer young

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Speaker 3: people to pay for this ballooning percentage of the population

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Speaker 3: that's elderly. All their money goes to that, So this

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Speaker 3: becomes a lot long term depression. We saw kind of

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Speaker 3: a four tiste of that in Japan's Lost Generation, right,

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Speaker 3: We're seeing in in China especially, but a lot of

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Speaker 3: East Asia is just going to be it's going to

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: Important thing you point out is this replacement as well.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to mass migration, immigration, open borders, certainly,

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Speaker 1: you know the OBBB tackles that challenge. Tom Homan just

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Speaker 1: reported in the month of June it was at an

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Speaker 1: all time historic low illegal crossings into the United States.

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Speaker 1: We certainly want legal immigration, we do not want illegal immigration.

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Speaker 1: It creates a huge challenge when you have a a

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Speaker 1: foreign born population living in the United States but are

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Speaker 1: not naturalizing or not assimilating to American culture, not are

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Speaker 1: not adopting our values, or not being paying taxes right,

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Speaker 1: it presents a huge national security threat to the United States.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've actually encouraged them to come and get on welfare.

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Speaker 3: And the Democrats can lie about this all they want,

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Speaker 3: but they've passed this into law in multiple Blue states

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Speaker 3: where they get free tuition or at least in state

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Speaker 3: tuition and medicaid and countless things that at the federal

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Speaker 3: just doesn't obey the law. So we've created a magnet

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Speaker 3: to bring all these illegal aliens here. Now that's a

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Speaker 3: catastrophe for them and for us. There's a reason you

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Speaker 3: cap the number of immigrants, and our cap is the

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Speaker 3: most generous in the world. But you do it for

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Speaker 3: a lot of reasons, including you need to control the

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Speaker 3: right to some degree just to permit the possibility of

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Speaker 3: a similar A bunch of illegal aliens creates a permanent

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Speaker 3: underclass that is just intractable, and there's virtually nothing you

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Speaker 3: can do about it. But above all, if you have

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Speaker 3: too many people come at once, it stress is housing.

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Speaker 3: It stresses hospitals, it stresses schools. It makes it impossible

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Speaker 3: the American citizens who deserve to get their tax dollars

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Speaker 3: spend on them. So what the Democrats have done is

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Speaker 3: cynical and just horrifying and shame on them. And the

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Speaker 3: human trafficking cost alone has been off the chart, and

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Speaker 3: thank god Donald Trump is actually doing something about it.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about just in

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Speaker 1: the last two minutes, we got very quickly about artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 1: I know you know quite a bit about this as

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Speaker 1: an economist, entrepreneur and a futurist. Why it's so important

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Speaker 1: and this was in the big beautiful bill unleashing this technology.

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Speaker 5: Well, it does matter a lot.

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Speaker 3: We're in a race. Lots of countries are fascinated by

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Speaker 3: the possibilities here, as they should be. I'm very concerned

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Speaker 3: about certain military applications of it. I've seen terminator, I've

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Speaker 3: seen the matrix, But in general, this is an extremely

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Speaker 3: useful technology that's going to make us all a lot

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Speaker 3: more productive. I know it has radically increased my own productivity.

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Speaker 3: And everybody's worried about it destroying jobs. No, it'll shift

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Speaker 3: them around. What it'll do is it will eliminate some

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Speaker 3: which is the same thing that farm automation did a

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Speaker 3: century ago. We went from eighty percent of humanity just

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Speaker 3: not that far back, working on farms to under one

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Speaker 3: percent because we automated, and those people are not in breadlines,

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Speaker 3: they are not on welfare. Those people have good jobs,

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Speaker 3: doing better things, and that's where this is gonna go.

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. So many of the arguments in the past.

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Speaker 1: I mean you think about the horse industry for example,

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Speaker 1: online and Henry Ford was putting cars everywhere. The model

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Speaker 1: t people said, what what's gonna happen is all these

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Speaker 1: people are going to be put out of work and

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Speaker 1: they'll never recover. And certainly that was not the case.

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Speaker 1: And we have more leisure today than ever before, and

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Speaker 1: I think that scares a lot of people. But productivity

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Speaker 1: is the most important thing in freeing people up so

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Speaker 1: that they're not digging ditches, but they're doing more important work. Absolutely, Rod,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining Sunday the Road Forward.

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Speaker 1: Great to see you.

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Speaker 5: Good to see you too.

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Speaker 4: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 4: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and x We love being a

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for watching Sunday The Road Forward.

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Speaker 7: GK.

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Speaker 1: Chesterton once said, the true soldier fights not because he

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Speaker 1: hates what is in front of him, but because he

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Speaker 1: loves what is behind him. Edmund Burke said, the only

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Speaker 1: thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good

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Speaker 1: men do nothing. These two quotes not only mark the

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Speaker 1: times that we're living in of greatest triumph and tragedy,

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Speaker 1: but the challenges that we face Christians are marked by

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Speaker 1: what we love. And we face many great evils in

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Speaker 1: this world, evils that we must confront. We're reminded as

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Speaker 1: Christians that we're fighting from victory. We're not fighting for victory.

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ gave us the victory, while trials and tribulations come.

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Speaker 1: Reminded of what Jesus said, fear not, for I have

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Speaker 1: overcome the world. Until next time. God bless you

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Speaker 7: Laid by God.