WEBVTT - Happy Half Hour Episode 146: No Guarantees

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<v Speaker 1>This week on a Happy Half Hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Tory Holt had the benefit of playing part of his

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<v Speaker 2>career with Kurt Warner. He played with Isaac Bruce. He

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<v Speaker 2>played with Marshall Falk. He played with a Hall of

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<v Speaker 2>Fame left tackle in Orlando Pace. His rookie year, he

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<v Speaker 2>played for a Hall of Fame coach and dig for

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<v Speaker 2>me you know, I mean a Hall of famer Steve

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<v Speaker 2>played with on offense zero touchdown Cow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for the Happy Half Hour, presented by Southern Star,

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<v Speaker 1>an official bourbon of the Carolina Panthers. Here are your hosts,

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<v Speaker 1>Darren Gant and Cassidy Hill.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, friends, and welcome to the Happy Half Hour. It

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<v Speaker 2>is a very special off season edition of the Happy

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<v Speaker 2>half Hour. It is a special They're all special, but

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<v Speaker 2>some are more special than others. And I think this

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<v Speaker 2>one's going to be great that And you know why

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<v Speaker 2>why Because it's in it to us by our friends

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<v Speaker 2>at Southern Star, an official burbon partner of the Carolina Panthers,

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate the spirit of the Carolinas. This is this is

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<v Speaker 2>a time of year where you sit by a crackling fire,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe enjoyable Southern eight Star. It's still a eggnog season for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and it will be until about April, I believe.

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<v Speaker 3>So do you ever watch Big Bang Theory?

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<v Speaker 2>I have what, Yes, I have enjoyed the bank.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a Christmas episode of Big Bang Theory where Sheldon

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<v Speaker 3>was drinking egnogg and they were making fun of him

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<v Speaker 3>for it because he supposedly doesn't like anything about the holiday,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's like, Eggnog's a year round drink. I'll drink

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<v Speaker 3>this pool side.

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<v Speaker 2>No doubt you could. I I keep some around the

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<v Speaker 2>house just in case.

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<v Speaker 3>It just there's something about drinking something that is egg

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<v Speaker 3>and cream based in the middle of summer that just

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't sit right with my stomach. Ah you know, Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>we went off the reils and lie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got to eggnog in a hurry in this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is I. I hijacked an entire episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan and Jake last year by talking about eggnog, and

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<v Speaker 2>I convinced both of them to enjoy some and they

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<v Speaker 2>did so.

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<v Speaker 3>Did they or did they enjoy it?

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<v Speaker 2>That one enjoyed it more than the other? I will

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<v Speaker 2>say that, but I did get both of them, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have the group text to prove it. Of them

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<v Speaker 2>enjoying eggnog on Christmas a year ago. So anyway, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the eggnog portion of the Happy half hour. Let's get

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<v Speaker 2>onto the news and one of the things I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about. We're in a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>news dry spot on the Carolina Panthers. There's not what

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<v Speaker 2>we'll take it. We'll take that. I mean again, I

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<v Speaker 2>have told all my friends and family after the last

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<v Speaker 2>you know, four or five off seasons, when you're constantly

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<v Speaker 2>changing coach, general manager, quarterback year after year after year,

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<v Speaker 2>there is no off season, and when January is a scramble,

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<v Speaker 2>you're never quite rested when you get to March, which

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<v Speaker 2>is always a little bit of a shame. But this

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<v Speaker 2>year we're things are normalizing, and the way the Carolina

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<v Speaker 2>Panthers ended that season, you know, there's a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>optimism about the team and the fact that they're able

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<v Speaker 2>to build something. Now. So now that we've got a

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<v Speaker 2>minute and we're not you know, filling out track with

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<v Speaker 2>all the candidates who are coming in here to interview

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<v Speaker 2>for jobs like coaching, GM and quarterback, we can actually

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<v Speaker 2>talk about other stuff that's going on in one of

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<v Speaker 2>luxury and one of the things I wanted to dig

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<v Speaker 2>into in a space where we've got a little time

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<v Speaker 2>to explore, is the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Love it,

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<v Speaker 2>as most of you know if you are consumers at

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<v Speaker 2>the Happy half Hour in Panthers dot com. Two of

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<v Speaker 2>our very own our finalist for the Pro Football Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame this year, Luke keithleyan Steve Smith, both extremely deserving,

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<v Speaker 2>both had incredible careers here and you know are there,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, very deservedly. But this process is one that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think enough people know enough about. One of

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<v Speaker 2>my pet peeves as a voter, I'm one of the

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<v Speaker 2>forty nine voters for the Hall of Fame. That roster

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<v Speaker 2>is available online. One of the things that's always a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a pet peeve for me is anytime

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<v Speaker 2>you start talking about Hall of Fame, people are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that guy's a lot first time, no questions asked, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, if you knew how hard this process was,

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<v Speaker 2>which it should be, and it absolutely should be. My

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<v Speaker 2>standard line is always, because we have the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>elect up to five modern era players every year, is

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<v Speaker 2>don't tell me which one you want in, tell me

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<v Speaker 2>which ten you want out. And with some rules changes

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<v Speaker 2>which we can get to in a second this year

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<v Speaker 2>that may mean twelve and so it's super hard to

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<v Speaker 2>get in out. Yeah, and so it's super hard to

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<v Speaker 2>get in. And I wanted to just take a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of time this week to kind of explain some

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<v Speaker 2>of that process so people have a little better understanding

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<v Speaker 2>going into it. Again. Let me say, as a precursor,

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<v Speaker 2>I will stand on a table and proselytize I will

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<v Speaker 2>become evangelical while talking about why Steve Smith and Luke

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<v Speaker 2>Keighley belong in the Hall of Fame. I believe it

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<v Speaker 2>firmly in both cases. So I will say that upfront.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll also say this about the process, to say

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<v Speaker 2>there are no guarantees in this process. So just as

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a top level overview, over the course of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, we get a ballot of fifty names. The

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame instituted some changes this year, which included

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<v Speaker 2>a committee of former Hall of Famers guys who are

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<v Speaker 2>in the Hall of Fame taking that initial vote of

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<v Speaker 2>our list of one hundred and seventy preliminaries, which included

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<v Speaker 2>guys like Jordan Gross, Jake Glom and you know, guys

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<v Speaker 2>who were excellent players Hall of Honor members, but maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not quite Hall of famers. And they Winnow that down

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<v Speaker 2>to fifty for us. Okay, we voted down to twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>They give it to the Hall of Fame committee. We

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<v Speaker 2>take that list of fifty, turn it into a list

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty five. Then we turn that twenty five into

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen and two separate votes. That's where it gets interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a meeting and it is an old school,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Roman democracy. I mean, we wear togas, there

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<v Speaker 2>are special hats and handshakes.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna choose to believe that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very secretive. Is there a There is a secret

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<v Speaker 2>handshake as a matter of fact. Now and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that happens, and we have to be sort

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<v Speaker 2>of circumspect about some of this. One of the things

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<v Speaker 2>the Hall has done in the last couple of years

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<v Speaker 2>that's been super neat is create this knock show, is

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<v Speaker 2>what they call it. You saw it last year with

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<v Speaker 2>Julius Peppers, when Bruce Smith, the NFL's all time sack leader,

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<v Speaker 2>shows up on Julius's doorstep by surprise to inform him, congratulations,

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<v Speaker 2>Julius Peppers, you are now in the Hall of Fame

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<v Speaker 2>such a cool moment. Julius has talked about that, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was like he was completely taken by surprise. He

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<v Speaker 2>knew his you know, family was running around doing their

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<v Speaker 2>normal thing and it seemed a little off, but he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what was going on until Bruce Smith shows

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<v Speaker 2>up on his door with a camera crew. The Hall

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to preserve that so the family gets involved

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<v Speaker 2>in you know, it's almost like a sting. They'll set

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<v Speaker 2>them up at a certain point to have somebody So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Claudia knew that somebody was coming to the house and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a very special thing for Julius. So they

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<v Speaker 2>want to create that mystery. They want to create that

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<v Speaker 2>suspense and to unveil that moment, you know. And Julius

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<v Speaker 2>has said having Bruce Smith, having that guy be the

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<v Speaker 2>one to tell him he was getting into the Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame made it that much more special. And so

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<v Speaker 2>that the Hall has asked everybody involved in the process

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<v Speaker 2>to not talk about when the meeting is, what happens

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<v Speaker 2>in it, those kind of things, because they want to

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<v Speaker 2>preserve that special moment for the guys. So that all

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<v Speaker 2>as preamble to say, there is a meeting, fifteen names

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<v Speaker 2>are discussed. You'll vote fifteen down to ten, then ten

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<v Speaker 2>down to seven. This year the process changed and the

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<v Speaker 2>old days you used to vote ten to fifteen to ten,

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<v Speaker 2>ten to five, and at five you would just vote

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<v Speaker 2>up or down, and if you got eighty percent of

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<v Speaker 2>an updown vote you got in. Well, that became a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a rubber stamp. Some people complained thought

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<v Speaker 2>there were too many Hall of Famers getting in, so

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<v Speaker 2>the Hall made some adjustments this year. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>this year's adjustments is now we take it to a

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<v Speaker 2>final seven and at seven, each voter gets to vote

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<v Speaker 2>four to five and at that level, if you get

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<v Speaker 2>eighty percent of the vote, there you're in the Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame. Well you, as a student of mathematics.

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<v Speaker 3>I was about to say, this is a lot of math.

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<v Speaker 2>The math ain't mathing. We might not get five, and

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<v Speaker 2>the probabilities are that you could be looking at a

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<v Speaker 2>class of three or four or five, but no more

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<v Speaker 2>than five from that group of fifteen. So all of

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<v Speaker 2>that to say, it's really hard to get in the

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame, which it should be. So if all

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<v Speaker 2>of your favorite players don't get in, hopefully that sheds

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<v Speaker 2>a little light on how hard it is to get in.

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<v Speaker 2>And again if people aren't aware, just so you know

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<v Speaker 2>who the fifteen finalists are. There were nine of last

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<v Speaker 2>year's final fifteen who didn't get into the Hall of

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<v Speaker 2>Fame on this year's ballot. Again, they are Jared Allen,

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<v Speaker 2>Willie Anderson, the right tackle I should have said, Panthers

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<v Speaker 2>legend Jared Allen, of course, who played his final season here,

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<v Speaker 2>Willy Anderson, the old Bengals right tackle, Antonio Gates tight

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<v Speaker 2>end from the Chargers, Tory Holt, and Darren Woodson, the

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<v Speaker 2>Cowboys safety from the nineties. Those guys were in the

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<v Speaker 2>six through ten last year, so they were the ones

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<v Speaker 2>who just missed the cut last year. Then you had

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<v Speaker 2>Jarry Evans, a long time Saints guard who was key

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<v Speaker 2>to Drew Brees, a small quarterback, being able to do

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<v Speaker 2>all the things he did, which became instructive when you

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<v Speaker 2>saw Robert Hunt get that bag to come protect re

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<v Speaker 2>young Eric Allen, longtime Eagles cornerback who is closing in

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<v Speaker 2>on his deadline. You only get twenty years of eligibility,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is year nineteen for Eric Allen. So as

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<v Speaker 2>Panthers fans know, Sam Mills got in in his final

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<v Speaker 2>year of eligibility a couple of years ago, so there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of stress there. Fred Taylor, the Jaguars

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<v Speaker 2>running back, Reggie Wayne Colts receiver are very On. Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Smith was a semi finalist for each of the last

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<v Speaker 2>three years, and then he got into the final fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>this year. Then you had five first time candidates. Luke Keighley,

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<v Speaker 2>who everybody here knows and loves, Eli Manning, Okay, controversial.

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<v Speaker 3>Spacey had That's been a controversial pick even while he

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<v Speaker 3>was playing, No question, it was always going to be

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<v Speaker 3>a question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And Adam Vinitieri of the Kicker, the guy who

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<v Speaker 2>hit all the kicks, and then Ravens guard Marshall Yanda

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<v Speaker 2>Ravens outside linebacker trell Suggs, and Suggs is actually the

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<v Speaker 2>highest ranking person on the all time cyclist who's not

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<v Speaker 2>in the Hall of Fame. Oh okay, and he's a

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<v Speaker 2>couple he's a little bit ahead of Jared Allen.

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<v Speaker 3>That's hard listed narrow down. Yeah, because then you also

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<v Speaker 3>have like, okay, let's take Vinitari for example. That's somebody

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<v Speaker 3>that I think you could objectively say belongs in the

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<v Speaker 3>Hall of Fame given given his record and the kicks.

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<v Speaker 3>The kicks he made and when he made them, he

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<v Speaker 3>won them a couple of Super Bowls, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Four of them?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But then you.

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<v Speaker 3>Have the age old question, can you put a kicker

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<v Speaker 3>in as a first time right?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's reasonable. I mean, without revealing too

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<v Speaker 2>much about the process. One of the things I do

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<v Speaker 2>as a voter, I'll usually start my thought process with

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<v Speaker 2>who are the guys who just missed last year? And

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<v Speaker 2>so you get Jared Allen, Tory Holt, Willie Anderson, Darren Woods,

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<v Speaker 2>and Antonio Gates. I'll kind of begin my thought process there.

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<v Speaker 2>Why there, just because they were so close a year

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<v Speaker 2>ago and we have already talked about all these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is the sixth year in the room

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<v Speaker 2>for Tory Holton, Reggie Wayne, so when Steve Smith enters

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<v Speaker 2>the process this year is a first time finalist. We've

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<v Speaker 2>been discussing Tory and Reggie, and Tory stuck his head

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<v Speaker 2>up a little bit above Reggie last year and got

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<v Speaker 2>to that cut of six through ten, so it felt

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<v Speaker 2>like there was a little separation there. But I'll usually

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<v Speaker 2>begin with those guys and to me, and every voter

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<v Speaker 2>is different, and I am one of nine, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of your longtime writers who have covered teams for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time, that kind of stuff, And then you know

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<v Speaker 2>there's some others. The Hall of Fame committee includes some

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<v Speaker 2>former Hall of Famers. Dan Fouts, James Lofton, Bill Pollion

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<v Speaker 2>is on the committee original Panthers gym. It's usually fifty,

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<v Speaker 2>but people have dropped off the committee through retirements and

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<v Speaker 2>different things over the years, and they didn't get that

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<v Speaker 2>fiftieth spotfield this year. So I'll do it noted, noted

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<v Speaker 2>and get the hat though, right, yeah, exactly. We'll teach

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<v Speaker 2>you all the secret handshakes and stuff like that. But

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<v Speaker 2>to me, a first ballot Hall of Famer ought to

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<v Speaker 2>be a special, special thing. And the thing about this

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<v Speaker 2>year's list is I think there's a special guy on

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<v Speaker 2>it in Luke Keighley because one of the things in

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<v Speaker 2>going through research for Luke, I mean, Luke played eight years,

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<v Speaker 2>was named All Pro seven times, he went to seven

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<v Speaker 2>Pro Bowls. He was an All decade pick. Side Patrick Willis,

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<v Speaker 2>who got in last year in his third year of eligibility.

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<v Speaker 2>So there is some track record because Patrick Willis's resume

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<v Speaker 2>is practically identical to Luke's, except Luke has a NFL

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<v Speaker 2>Defensive Player of the Year award that Pat doesn't have,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's a little bit of difference there. But Luke's

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<v Speaker 2>seven of eight All pros stood out to me and

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<v Speaker 2>we start doing a little research. The question I posed,

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<v Speaker 2>and the question I began researching, is of the people

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<v Speaker 2>who played at least seven or eight years, not only

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<v Speaker 2>who had the most All Pro selections, because when you

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<v Speaker 2>get into guys who played fifteen twenty years, all pros

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<v Speaker 2>can stack up. I mean, there's some guys who are thirteen, twelve, eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing I wanted to look at with Luke, because

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<v Speaker 2>he was such concentrated excellence, is the percentage. And by

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<v Speaker 2>going by being named All Pro seven out of eight years,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know how many people made All Pro teams

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<v Speaker 2>at a higher percentage than Luke, Keigley, Tom Brady? Not

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<v Speaker 2>even them, really, not even them, because they played such

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<v Speaker 2>a long time and in an era of great quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 2>where it gets diluted a little bit. There are two

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<v Speaker 2>people in NFL history who did this.

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<v Speaker 3>Are they like modern NFL modern ish?

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<v Speaker 2>At least one of them is hmm. And again both

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<v Speaker 2>of these might be one of them a quarterback. No,

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<v Speaker 2>neither are a quarterbacks. Oh yeah, because the combination of

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<v Speaker 2>short career and sustained excellence throughout that short career kind

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<v Speaker 2>of narrows that list because if you play a long

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<v Speaker 2>time the offense, they're both offensive players. Randy Moss, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, I'll go ahead and tell you, Okay, Barry

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<v Speaker 2>Sanders was named All Pro ten times in ten seasons,

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<v Speaker 2>perfect one hundred percent. Some guy named Jim Brown, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>eight All Pro nominations in nine seasons. Those are the

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<v Speaker 2>only two guys who did it at a higher percentage

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<v Speaker 2>than Luke Keighley. I mean, that's the company he's keeping,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's one of the things when I go into

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<v Speaker 2>that meeting, It's one of the first things I talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's like, Luke Keighley did everything you can do

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<v Speaker 2>in the amount of time he played.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I've seen that Patrick Willis argument around social media

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<v Speaker 3>a good bit, and I keep meaning to go, look,

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<v Speaker 3>so this answers my question on how many years it

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<v Speaker 3>took Patrick Willis to do it versus how many years

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<v Speaker 3>it took.

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<v Speaker 2>Luke to Yeah, Patrick got in last year in his

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<v Speaker 2>third year of the like, how.

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<v Speaker 3>Many years it took Patrick Willis to get those stats?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, because it was same eight years. Okay, they had

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<v Speaker 2>the same eight year career, and I can do this

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<v Speaker 2>from memory at this point because they both played eight years.

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<v Speaker 2>They were both seven time Pro Bowlers. Willis went to

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<v Speaker 2>or was named a six All Pro teams to Luke seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Both defensive Rookie of the Year their rookie years, both

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<v Speaker 2>All Decade picks, and again the only difference is one

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<v Speaker 2>All Pro mention and also Luke has a Defensive Player

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<v Speaker 2>of the Year.

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<v Speaker 3>So Patrick Willis playing a Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>Practically, I did Patrick Willis. Now you put me on

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<v Speaker 2>the spot and I'm drawing a blank. I mean, Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>Willis in general was on some better teams and better

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<v Speaker 2>defenses alongside navorro Bowman, and they did some special stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's it's one of those things that it's a

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<v Speaker 2>tough distinction to make. But again, if I've said anything

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<v Speaker 2>while rambling on about this process, it ought to be hard.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that one of the things about Luke

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<v Speaker 2>that makes him stand out to me. And we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>once the results are announced at NFL Honors on February

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<v Speaker 2>fifth or sixth, whatever, day, that is, the Thursday before

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<v Speaker 2>the super Bowl. You know, we'll see what happens when

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<v Speaker 2>the results are announced, because you know, we won't know

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<v Speaker 2>as a committee what those final results are because with

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<v Speaker 2>the whole seven vote for five, we don't know who

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<v Speaker 2>got the eighty percent. Back in the old days, when

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<v Speaker 2>you knew the final five, you had a reasonable expectation

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<v Speaker 2>of who was getting in. But there's a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of mystery for us involved here too.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's fun. You don't know that they walk out

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<v Speaker 3>on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. So it should be tricky, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>always being able to talk people through this process I

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<v Speaker 2>think sometimes helpful, just because it is so complicated. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, again, I have been in this process, been

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<v Speaker 2>a voter for gosh, I don't know, twelve fourteen years

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. The Dallas Ice Storm super Bowl was

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<v Speaker 2>my first year on the committee, whatever year that was,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've kind of drawn a blank on that now.

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<v Speaker 2>But so han't been through it a number of times.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sensitive to how complicated this is. And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>because every fan always believes their guy is always the

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<v Speaker 2>one to go in, so it's it's super tough. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>I begin generally my thought process. And I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>I do this every year, but with who was this

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<v Speaker 2>close to getting in last year and a guy like

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<v Speaker 2>Tory Holt has done all the things. You know, he

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<v Speaker 2>was bothered by some injuries a little bit like Luke,

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<v Speaker 2>and his career is a little bit shorter than what

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<v Speaker 2>you look at with Reggie Wayne and Steve Smith. But

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<v Speaker 2>Tori achieved at a high level and was an elite

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<v Speaker 2>offensive player. I mean, his stats were at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the league at the time. He was playing both

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<v Speaker 2>with and without a Hall of Fame quarterback. But when

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<v Speaker 2>I begin talking about Steve Smith, I mean some of

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<v Speaker 2>the things I have tried to bring to people's mind

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<v Speaker 2>is this man's eighth all time on the career receiving

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<v Speaker 2>yards list. Eighth. Seven people in the history of football

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<v Speaker 2>since they started playing football in exchange for money, only

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<v Speaker 2>seven of them have more yards than Steve Smith. All

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<v Speaker 2>of them are in the Hall of Fame, except for

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Fitzgerald, who had ineligible. Yet Steve's eleventh on the

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<v Speaker 2>all time receptions list.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if I could.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to let you through that because a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it, there's a lot of history there. But you know,

0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Steve has the achievements in terms of the receiving yards.

0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Steve Smith won the Triple Crown in two thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 2>He broke his ankle in the opener missed the entire

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the entire season. That season did not go

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<v Speaker 2>well for the Carolina Panthers. They started one in seven

0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.399
<v Speaker 2>and en route to seven and nine closed late. Mussim

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<v Speaker 2>Muhammad had a great year, But Steve comes back the

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<v Speaker 2>next year wins come Back Player of the Year. He

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<v Speaker 2>also won a triple Crown. He led the league in receptions,

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<v Speaker 2>receiving yards, receiving touchdowns, and he did it for a

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<v Speaker 2>team that ran the ball more than it threw the ball,

0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.520
<v Speaker 2>which almost seems impossible. But remember, folks, John Fox was

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<v Speaker 2>the coach of that team, the man who said a

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<v Speaker 2>punt is not a bad play. So you know, to me,

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<v Speaker 2>Steve being able to win a triple Crown in a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where his own coach would rather run it than pass.

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<v Speaker 3>It or punt it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or punt it, I mean Steve, Steve was out

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<v Speaker 2>there doing it. One of the things I have mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>to voters in advocating for Steve is when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at a Reggie Wayne he had the benefit of playing

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<v Speaker 2>with Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison and Edrin James and

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<v Speaker 2>a Hall of Fame coach in GM and Bill Pollyan

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<v Speaker 2>and Tony Dungeye Tory. Holt had the benefit of playing

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<v Speaker 2>part of his career with Kurt Warner. He played with

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<v Speaker 2>Isaac Bruce. He played with Marshall Falk. He played with

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<v Speaker 2>a Hall of Fame left tackle in Orlando Pace. His

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<v Speaker 2>rookie year, he played for a Hall of Fame coach

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<v Speaker 2>and Dick for Meal. You know, I mean hall of

0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:36.520
<v Speaker 2>famer Steve played with on offense zero. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>just and again nothing against those guys, but I have

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<v Speaker 2>always contextualized Steve's career by saying he did this in

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<v Speaker 2>an environment where it was hard for receiver, harder for

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<v Speaker 2>receivers to get those numbers. Because when the other defense

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<v Speaker 2>is game planning a game, I mean, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>it's like. Now you go into it. You know, you

0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.000
<v Speaker 2>go into a game with the Bucks, what does a

0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.840
<v Speaker 2>game plan say, don't let Mike Evans kill you. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Steve got that treatment week in week out because on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of the ball from him in two

0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.440
<v Speaker 2>thousand and five, just to pull one out of thin air.

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<v Speaker 2>It was thirty seven year old Ricky Prowl and Carry Colber.

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<v Speaker 2>Love them, love them both, but.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not Steve Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not Steve Smith. So Steve was getting double covered constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>He was getting all the attention of opposing defensive coordinators,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know that made it a lot harder to

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<v Speaker 2>do the things he did anyway. Yeah, he also did

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<v Speaker 2>it at five nine and three.

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<v Speaker 3>Quarters and three quarters. That's important.

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<v Speaker 2>The three quarters is very important because if you ever

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<v Speaker 2>leave out the three quarters, we'll let you know. Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Smith will remind you about the three quarters and make

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<v Speaker 2>sure you include that.

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<v Speaker 3>I took a shot at who could be ahead of

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<v Speaker 3>him on the all time list.

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<v Speaker 2>On the receiving yards with yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't have I don't have the full list,

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<v Speaker 3>and some of these could be wrong, but if I

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<v Speaker 3>get one or two out of them, I'll be a

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<v Speaker 3>little proud of myself.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Randy Random moss YEP number four, Jerry Rice

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<v Speaker 2>number one.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Larry Fitzgerald, you gave me that one. Don Hudson.

0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Don Hudson is not I mean he played in an

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<v Speaker 2>era when the numbers weren't what they are at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Don Hudson is one hundred and sixteenth on

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<v Speaker 2>the all time receiving yards. Reggie's actually tenth on the

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<v Speaker 2>receiving yards list.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's all I got so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The other guys ahead, the seven guys ahead of

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Steve on the receiving yards list, Jerry Rice, Larry Fitzgerald

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<v Speaker 2>not eligible yet, terryl Owen's almost put too on there,

0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Randy Moss, Bruce, Tony Gonzalez, Tim Brown.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Tony Gonzalez. Yeah, see, I forget about him because

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<v Speaker 3>he's not.

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<v Speaker 2>A Yeah, but you know all those guys other than

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Fitzgerald who will become a Hall of Famer very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know again when you start talking about

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<v Speaker 2>first time eligibles, Julius was first time eligible last year,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were talking about guys on the all time

0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.840
<v Speaker 2>sack list, like Jared Allen, who's in the one thirties.

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Julius was at one fifty nine and a half. And

0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:09.679
<v Speaker 2>it's like, when you're twenty some sacks more than the

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 2>other guy in a two time All decade player, you

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<v Speaker 2>can jump the line. Larry Fitzgerald has the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>numbers that He's probably gonna jump the line over guys

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:20.600
<v Speaker 2>who have been discussed for some time. But it is

0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:22.520
<v Speaker 2>t in the Hall of fame to is in the

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of fame for.

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<v Speaker 3>Some reason, because I thought about him and put I

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<v Speaker 3>almost put him on this list, and then I held

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<v Speaker 3>off because I thought for some reason, I thought he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't play long enough to have gotten up there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. I mean, it's Steve Is.

0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Steve put up the numbers. He did it, and he

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:40.560
<v Speaker 2>did it for a long time. And he did it

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 2>at five foot nine without the most and three quarters

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:44.640
<v Speaker 2>without the most help in the world, but.

0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Right without the quarterbacks to do it.

0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 2>We'll see.

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 3>And again Jerry Rice had Oh my God, blind my blanket,

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:54.239
<v Speaker 3>thank you oo.

0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:57.119
<v Speaker 2>That was almost scary and part of the materials I

0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 2>shared with my fellow voters leading up to the final meeting,

0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned that there were four guys at that point.

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Jamar Chase has since joined this club. There have now

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.639
<v Speaker 2>been five players since the Super Bowl era who have

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 2>won the Triple Crown. They are Jamar Chase, Cooper Cup

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:17.919
<v Speaker 2>in the last couple of years, Steve Smith, Sterling Sharp,

0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Jerry Rice, Jerry Rice did it with Joe Montana and

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Bill Walsh, Sterling Sharp did it with Brett Farv and

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Mike Homgren. Right, Cooper Cup did it with Matt Stafford

0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:32.240
<v Speaker 2>and Sean McVay. You know, Jamar Chase did it with

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 2>the twelve President, Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow at quarterback.

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Every time I see his name, yeah you.

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Should if I've done nothing else here. And Steve did

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:43.320
<v Speaker 2>it with Jake Noloman, John Fox. Yeah that's different. Yeah,

0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 2>that's different. Gang. So I want to throw.

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 3>A little aside in here just for the people that

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 3>don't know. You keep saying about this is what I'm saying,

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 3>this is what I say, or this is what I'm

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 3>like telling them. Room explain in like thirty seconds your

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 3>role as presenter.

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:01.439
<v Speaker 2>Basically what we do. And again in this meeting it

0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:05.600
<v Speaker 2>is a big old democracy. Somebody will begin the conversation

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:08.960
<v Speaker 2>by making a brief presentation about the player, and so

0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll stand up and say some things about Steve. Then

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 2>there's a discussion. There's a chance for rebuttal people will

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.680
<v Speaker 2>make a point, somebody will add to somebody will say,

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 2>well what about you know? And I'll answer questions about people,

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 2>but we just as the.

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.399
<v Speaker 3>As the person who covered Steve and Luke, you're the

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:28.880
<v Speaker 3>one who kind of leads those discussions, right.

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 2>And it's generally the people who've covered the guy during

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.640
<v Speaker 2>his career. And that's why, you know, if you look

0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 2>on the Hall of Fame's website and there's a section

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 2>of that about the selection process that has the list

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 2>of voters and and most of them are veteran writers

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 2>who have been around for a long time and covered

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 2>these guys. My friend Dream William's mother football in Texas.

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 2>She presents the Cowboys guys when they come through. So

0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:56.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's people who've had eyes on these guys

0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 2>and have some historical perspective.

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 3>I remember asking one time. It's someone who I used

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 3>to work with, Pete Pete Darty. He was putting together

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 3>his notes on Leroy Butler before the meeting that year,

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:11.680
<v Speaker 3>and so I was asking him about the process and

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.879
<v Speaker 3>I was like, so, what does the person do that covered, Like,

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, are some of these conversations longer than others?

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:18.919
<v Speaker 3>And he's like, yeah, some of them are long, some

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 3>of them are pretty short. He was like, for example,

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 3>the person who covers the Colts when it came time

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:26.439
<v Speaker 3>for Peyton Manning's year, stood up and said Peyton Manning

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:28.520
<v Speaker 3>and then sat back down pretty much. Yeah, and he's like,

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 3>that's pretty much that whole discussion.

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:32.159
<v Speaker 2>I was tempted to do that last year with ju.

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 2>It was very tempting. I didn't because, as you may

0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>have noticed, you've listened to me ramble about the whole

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 2>of fame for twenty minutes on the Happy half hour.

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 2>I can talk. Yeah, And so one of my fellow

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 2>voters told me one time he was he was delighted

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 2>when Kevin Green got in a while back and he

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:52.920
<v Speaker 2>was like, now I don't have to listen again anymore.

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 2>So but yeah, I mean, some of these are very

0:26:56.800 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>short discussions. When Peyton Manning comes up, when Tom Brand

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 2>eventually comes up, that will be a very short discussion.

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 2>There is no need for them. So yeah, and there's

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 2>a lot of guys coming up soon. But this year's

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:13.120
<v Speaker 2>this year's meeting promises to be fascinating. You know, Eli's

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna take up a lot of time. Did he win

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 2>to Super Bowls? Beating Tom Brady and the greatest team

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 2>ever in a couple of the most memorable games in

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl history? He did was he a two time

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl MVP by playing at his best in those

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:29.399
<v Speaker 2>moments you're supposed to play your best. He did. Was

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 2>he also one seventeen and one seventeen all time, a

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 2>dead solid perfect five hundred record? He was you know,

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 2>did he lead the league in interceptions every now? He

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>was generous with the balls.

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 3>She'll always say, you know what kind of cracks me

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 3>up to is like, there's always one play people point

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 3>to and they're like, that's the play that defines Eli's legacy.

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:50.119
<v Speaker 3>It was a bad.

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 2>Ball, Yeah that I don't think anybody coaches you to

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 2>catch it on top of your head, pinning the ball

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 2>against your helmet and grabbing on it.

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 3>I like you. He's a lot of fun. He was

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:04.920
<v Speaker 3>a lot of fun to watch when he played. But yeah,

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be an interesting discussion. Yeah, it's one of

0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:10.479
<v Speaker 3>those things too where it's like, even with the Super Bowls,

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:12.960
<v Speaker 3>you have to ask yourself, if he had a different

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:15.119
<v Speaker 3>last name, would this be as much as a discussion.

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:20.679
<v Speaker 2>It's impossible to divorce that from any discussion of Eli Manning.

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 2>But you know, again, it's supposed to be a debate.

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 2>It's supposed to be hard to get in, and they've

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 2>made it hard to get in, So we'll see. And

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 2>I would encourage everybody to tune in to NFL Honors

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 2>the Thursday before the Super Bowl because when you see

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 2>the reactions of those guys, when you see what it

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 2>means to them to hear their names called, I mean,

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I still I still kind of laugh thinking about last

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 2>year with Julius in Las Vegas. Julius Peppers is a

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>god among men. Julius Peppers is a gigantic human being.

0:28:55.840 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Julius Peppers is above all us mere mortals who watch football.

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 2>He just played it at such a high level for

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>so long. And also he's six foot seven and three

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 2>hundred pounds. When Julius was in Vegas last year going

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 2>through this process, he was like a little kid. He

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 2>was giddy. And I remember him saying, when I checked

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 2>into the hotel and I saw Barry Sanders, I was like,

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 2>that's the club I'm in now. And when you see

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 2>that realization, when you see it dawn on these guys,

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 2>you realize the importance of this whole process. So it's complicated,

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be.

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 3>That's what makes it special.

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 2>That's what makes it special. And if our guys don't

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 2>get in this year, I think they have the case

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 2>will be made that they belong in that room for

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 2>years to come. And yeah, a lot of times, the

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 2>old stat is if you're a finalist three times, if

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>you're in the final fifteen, as many as three times,

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 2>ninety one percent of those guys eventually get in the

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame. So it's not necessarily eventual yet for

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.960
<v Speaker 2>any of our low but because this is first year

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 2>in the room for both of them. But you know,

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 2>I think there is a general sense that both of

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 2>them are deserving of continued conversation and listen, we don't know.

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 2>We won't know until Honors. And if I'm sitting in

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 2>New Orleans watching Luke Keigley come on the stage, that's

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 2>going to be a little bit of a surprise to

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 2>us too. So that's a little bit of a peek

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 2>inside the process. And it's you know, I just wanted

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 2>to take a little time because I get asked about

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 2>this stuff a lot. I did a hit on F

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 2>and Z last week where they asked me about this,

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and that's a segment where they've got three minutes for

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 2>me to get in and out of something in we.

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Just spent thirty minutes little And I.

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Feel bad because I could talk about this stuff all day,

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>and you know, having been involved with it for some

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 2>amount of time, and I want people to appreciate the depth.

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 2>And you know how hard it is for these guys

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 2>to get in, because again you're talking about guys who

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 2>are among the all time greats. I mean, Antonio Gates

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 2>isn't deemed qualified to be a first time Most people say, oh, yeah,

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Antonio Gates, he's a lock, right. He didn't get in

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 2>his first year. Julius was the ninetieth first ballot Hall

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 2>of Famer last year. Sometimes the universe works out, it

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 2>gives us a gift. But Antonio Gates has got more

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>touchdown passes than anyone who's ever played his position. You know,

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Adam VINITII has most of the things, you know. I

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 2>mean when Mortin Andersen came through and Morton Anderson scored

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:34.479
<v Speaker 2>more points. The entire object of football is to score points,

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>and he had more of them than anybody who ever

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>played the game, and it took him five years to

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 2>get in.

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 3>That's why I think it should be noted to. And

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 3>I know Spiddy's been trying to get through the door

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 3>for a couple of years now, but like using Luke

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 3>for example, like to make the final fifteen in your

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 3>first year, that's still an accomplishment, no doubt. That's something

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 3>you can be proud of.

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 2>No doubt. And I mean that's that's the thing there.

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, you start looking at things like all decade teams.

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 2>I've always said, someone made the remark to me that

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Luke had one of the cleanest resumes they've ever seen.

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like, if you're looking for something to knock Luke

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Keighley on good luck, even his manners are immaculate. So

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 2>I heard a fantastic story about Luke. I can share this.

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I can share this year when this is gonna be good.

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 2>In twenty twelve, when Luke was being drafted, the Cincinnati

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Bengals were picking somewhere around seventeen or eighteen. That's when

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>the Bengals down that's his hometown. So Luke was invited

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 2>to their local pro day where prospects from the area

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:40.719
<v Speaker 2>workout for the Bengals. The Bengals knew Luke Keighley was

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 2>not going to be available to them at the time

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 2>they were picking, but Luke shows up anyway. When the

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 2>workout's over, Luke takes his unused workout gear, the stuff

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 2>he didn't wear, and folded it and took it back

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 2>to the equipment.

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Guys, that's adorable.

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I know who does love Louke Keikley. In addition to

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.479
<v Speaker 2>being amazing at football, he does stuff like that, and

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 2>that's our guy. That's why we all love him anyway.

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, so that's the Hall of Fame portion of

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 2>the Happy half Hour. There's playoffs going on and stuff too.

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Did you get a chance to watch football last weekend?

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I know you were out of town in Green Bay.

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 3>I did not watch football. I watched no. Sorry, I

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 3>think that back. I watched the Commanders and Bucks game,

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 3>and I watched the Packers and Eagles game.

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I generally, here's a confession. I feel

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 2>like this is a safe space in the Happy half Hour.

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh God, I'm worried about what you're about to say.

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't watch a lot of wild card games. Oh

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 2>they're so fun, though, but they're usually bad and they're

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>usually decided by really large margin.

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 3>I like college football and you don't.

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, when people were complaining about the first

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 2>round college playoff games being decided by twenty points a piece.

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's wild card weekend, gang, this is what.

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 3>We're Did you watch the Bucks and Commanders?

0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I caught the tail end of it. I saw it.

0:33:57.600 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 3>That was a fantastic game.

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I saw a friend of the Happy Half Hour zaying

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Gonzalees because hero we love saying he's such a he's

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 2>such a good kid. And uh, to see one go

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.439
<v Speaker 2>like that, I mean, good, good.

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 3>For My favorite part was that, like it doins and

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh no, and then it goes in and

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 3>when they're showing the reactions of everyone else, they're like,

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, they're riding that roller coaster of like he ah, yay, yeah,

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 3>And then they show Zan Gonzales and he's just like

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 3>it's like he never had any doubt that it was

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 3>going to go in.

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was cool. And uh, this weekend though, this

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.719
<v Speaker 2>weekend is when I settle in to watch football like

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 2>everybody else. I mean, I'll be honest with you, at

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 2>the end of an eighteen week season, sometimes I just

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 2>need to watch not football TV from that and we

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<v Speaker 2>and we did a little bit of that at gamp

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<v Speaker 2>Manor this weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>But what did you watch?

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<v Speaker 2>I will be. We could get into that later, but

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<v Speaker 2>some some trashy, some good, but mostly we just watched

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<v Speaker 2>and we're inert for a little bit. But this week

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<v Speaker 2>is huge. I mean, Baltimore and Buffalo might be the

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<v Speaker 2>super Bowl, right Those might.

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<v Speaker 3>Be the best, might be better than the super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>Those those might be the best two teams playing ball

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<v Speaker 2>right now. And they're gonna play on Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I where's the game at at Buffalo? Hm?

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>That could make a difference, I feel like on paper,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm interested to see your opinion. On paper, Baltimore

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<v Speaker 3>is the best team in the playoffs right now. They're

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<v Speaker 3>They're good on both sides of the ball. They're just

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<v Speaker 3>strong top to bottom. Buffalo. If you take away Josh

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Allen what like, they're not going to win that game presumably.

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Cook is running really well.

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<v Speaker 2>Their defense saying if you take away that Mahomes guy,

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<v Speaker 2>the Chiefs aren't they right?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? At the same point, Baltimore, you you like they

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<v Speaker 3>can both. Here's the thing. Lamar could could win a

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<v Speaker 3>game on his own. He's he's got the same capabilities

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 3>as my Homes and Josh Allen to take over a

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:09.560
<v Speaker 3>game The beauty of Baltimore right now is that he

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have to because you've also got Hey, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the best running backs of all time, to help tote

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<v Speaker 3>the ball, and it lets Lamar play a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>more free and kind of dance back there. And and

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. And I know there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>questions about their defense because they give up stuff, but

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 3>they also make a lot of splash plays. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I don't know, Like I just Baltimore, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>is my team does see go to the end?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I could. They could get beat this weekend, especially if

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<v Speaker 3>it's in Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just so strong.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've noticed this about me, but

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:49.399
<v Speaker 2>I really enjoy old man football. And so if you can,

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 2>if you can run in January, I dig on that.

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm picking up what they're putting down. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>watching their games, Baltimore, Baltimore, watching Baltimore the tail end

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 2>of their game against the Steelers the other night, Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just I kept coming back to the thought

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<v Speaker 2>the entire world had the opportunity to prevent Lamar Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>from adding derry comedy to his offense. Why didn't they.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like giving Thanos the last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, you know, he's pretty good at this

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 2>one part of this game, right, and you're giving him

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 2>the best person in the league also doing that thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just love the fact that Baltimore can run

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of different ways. It's kind of like I

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<v Speaker 2>like the Eagles to a lesser degree on the other

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:42.799
<v Speaker 2>side of the bracket, because they are perfectly capable of

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 2>moving the ball through the air. Jalen Hurts has shown

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 2>he can make plays to aj Brown Devonte Smith, but

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:51.400
<v Speaker 2>my god, they can run.

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 3>Here's my hold up with the Eagles. If you can

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<v Speaker 3>style me Saquan for seventy five percent of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Game, which means him gaining like only one.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, But if you can steyn me Hurts can move

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 3>the ball through the year to the to Brown and

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.839
<v Speaker 3>those and DeVante Smith for a period. I don't think

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 3>he can do it. He hasn't proven to me he

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:14.800
<v Speaker 3>can do it for a whole game. They can't carry

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 3>a game on their passing game. It almost hit It

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<v Speaker 3>almost hurt him on Sunday.

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 2>It almost hurt him against Carolina Pans.

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:23.280
<v Speaker 3>It almost hurt him against Carolina.

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 2>But it didn't because you still go through. I love

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.359
<v Speaker 2>a team this time of year that you know can

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 2>win a game by running the ball. So I'm I am.

0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm pro Buffalo, all our old friends. God bless Joe

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Brady and all of the Buffalonians, most of whom eventually

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 2>moved to Charlotte. I don't know, that's kind of I

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 2>don't like picking games because it's a weird road to

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:51.719
<v Speaker 2>go down for somebody in my business. But I will

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 2>be that game will have my complete attention. Food will

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 2>be prepared in advance. I will be watching every second

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:03.960
<v Speaker 2>of Buffalo Baltimore because that's that's Lions Rams. That's must

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<v Speaker 2>see TV.

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 3>Lions Rams. For some reason, is.

0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Lions Washington not hold my Lions Washington Saturday night? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 3>Who are the Rams playing?

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Rams? Got Philadelphia? Rams are at Philadelphia with the Carolina

0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Panthers pick on the line, because if the Rams lose

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<v Speaker 2>the Panther I think that pick will be fifty eight.

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.879
<v Speaker 2>It's somewhere in my notes. Let me find that, because yeah,

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 2>that second round pick.

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 3>Well that's a long way from eight to fifty eight.

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:34.200
<v Speaker 2>The Carolina Panthers have the Rams second rounder from last

0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 2>year's draft, ad trade. If the Rams lose, that pick

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 2>will be fifty four. If the Rams win, it'll be

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 2>fifty eight or lower. Because draft order for playoff teams,

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<v Speaker 2>the teams that make the final four pick slots twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nine through thirty two. Okay, So anyway, so that's a brands.

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 3>Feel like they're on the precipice of falling apart.

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 2>For some reason, the Lions are that team. And I

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.359
<v Speaker 2>do this with the chie Yeves and Patrick Mahomes a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and I did it with the Patriots back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>The Lions haven't won yet, so they don't deserve to

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 2>be quite at that level. But it's almost like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna keep expecting you to lose and you're gonna keep.

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<v Speaker 3>Not right, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So nothing about what the Lions is doing makes sense.

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 2>I've got a million guys on injured reserve.

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.360
<v Speaker 3>What they've done on defense is is so impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, God bless Aaron Glenn.

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 3>Twenty one on injurers, twenty one defensive players on injured.

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<v Speaker 2>Reserve, I think at one point, Yeah, Eric.

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<v Speaker 3>Kitty Anzeloni back for the playoffs was huge.

0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Glenn's doing work up there, and uh, he's also

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit threatening because we saw the Lions on

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 2>TV briefly and Aaron Glenn was on the screen, and

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:42.240
<v Speaker 2>my wife's like, that's a very handsome man right there.

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.400
<v Speaker 2>And if I was a little bit less handsome, I

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 2>would be threatened by that. But I am not sure

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 2>you're secure. I am very secure. I am very secure.

0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 3>And on that note, I actually just got a text message.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll give a shout out. Do you know who Bobuker is?

0:40:58.400 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Bob Uker?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Absolutely, Oh no, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's terribly sad. Yeah, he was one of the legendary

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:09.439
<v Speaker 2>broad He was a legendary catcher for a long time

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 2>in baseball, became one of the legendary broadcasters the game

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:14.839
<v Speaker 2>has ever known. And you spent time in Green Bay,

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:16.200
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, yeah, and I.

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:18.239
<v Speaker 3>Used to cover a lot of Brewers games, so got

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 3>to be around him. He's a really cool guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's terrible. Say he's a national treasure.

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<v Speaker 3>Retire so like he had his sign off Swan song game,

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 3>so he at least had that. But yeah, lived a

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 3>good life.

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Just a bit outside. Oh man, that's sad news. This

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<v Speaker 2>was the happy half hour, saved the sad nude.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, we can celebrate a life.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, we can celebrate the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>we all got to enjoy a little bit of Bob Bucher,

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<v Speaker 2>so anyway, that'll take care of us for this week.

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<v Speaker 2>We will come back next week with more about the

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.839
<v Speaker 2>playoffs and more about whatever else we feel like talking about,

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 2>including bingeworthy shows and Bob Bucher stories on the next

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<v Speaker 2>Happy half Hour.