1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Good. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 2: All right, break it down. 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: If you ever have feelings that you just wont Amy 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: and Cat gotcha, Cob and Locking No, brother, ladies and folks, 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: do you just follow Ann the spirit where it's all 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: the real stuff to the chill stuff and the m 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: but Swayne, sometimes the best thing you can do it 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: just stop you feel things. This is feeling things with 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: Amy and Cat. 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday. Welcome to feeling things. I'm Amy and I'm Cat, 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: and we both have feelings of the day, and I 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: can see in our doc they're very different. I have 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: no idea why you're feeling disgusted, but I'm feeling eager. 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: You go first. 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: I want your feeling today, you. 16 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: Know I want to feel eager. 17 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: Actually, here you go. I'm gonna twist this frown upside down. 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm feeling disgusted because a couple of days ago I 19 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: awoke with what looks to be and you can give 20 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: your feedback on this, but it looks like I have 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: a rash on my face. I'm diagnosing myself with dermatitis, 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: which from my friend who's an esthetician, is what I've 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: gathered is just kind of like an infection of the skin. 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: But it can't be that. 25 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: Actually, because isn't it hormononal? Yeah? Yeah, I've had dermatitis 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: on my back before. I don't know if that's exactly 27 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: what it was called, but I had little teeny tiny 28 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 2: bombs like that are on your face and I had 29 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: on my back and I use that. Golly, what was 30 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: I got it at? You know, CBS or Walgreens, crapefruit scrub? No, no, 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: no packs. So I got a Google pack. I know 32 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 2: what you're saying, Packsaw, it's the X with X right. 33 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: Maybe it cleared my back. I mean I was living 34 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: with the bumps for a while and then I got 35 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: a bar of soap of the This what I'm going 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: to google so I'll be able to tell you what 37 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: it's called. And it cleared right up. 38 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: Wait, I wonder if I could use it on my face. 39 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: I mean maybe you could. My dermatologist told me that 40 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: you can use Dan Driff shampoo on your face, but 41 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if that applies for hormonal bumps. 42 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: So I'm taking a new medication that I know. That's 43 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: why I don't know, but that's why I'm assuming it's 44 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: the only thing that has changed. And I'm just disgusted 45 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: because I'm frustrated. 46 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 2: Oh. 47 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: I think I'm more frustrated than disgusted, because I'm not 48 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: like ooh, I mean I am kind of I don't 49 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: like it. 50 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, pan ox, panox soal. 51 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: What is paxl. That's a drug, paxels so much pharmaceutical drug. 52 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: There's the There's lots of different panox sole products. I 53 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: used the bar of soap, probably because that's familiar to me, 54 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: because I love a bar of soap. I love a 55 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: white bar of soap, unscented. This one maybe has a 56 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: scynth though, because it has a job to do. They 57 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: also have a acne banishing body spray. Just get some 58 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: of that sprayed on your face. 59 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't know anything is gonna fix it unless I 60 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: just like, stop taking the medication. But I can't stop 61 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: taking this medication. 62 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: And so well, what we do know is this is temporary. Yeah, 63 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: and while you are feeling disgusted, you don't look just 64 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: in them lighting. Yeah, we do have dim lighting. Cat 65 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: used my guest bath and she came out and she 66 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: was like, whatever kind of lighting you have in the bathroom, 67 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: that's what I need in my office because I don't 68 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: think I'm going to be able to sit across from 69 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: from clients because they're gonna think I have some disease. 70 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: It's pretty bad. 71 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: But how close are you sitting to your client? 72 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: Not that close? And I think that's also I think 73 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: it's pretty bad because it's giving me like flashbacks of 74 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: when I had like acne in high school and I 75 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: had to take acutane, you know, and you like think 76 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: you've recovered from this. And I really like just wearing 77 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: tinted sunscreen. I don't like wearing foundation and stuff like that. 78 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: I feel like, if honestly, can I be really honest here, yes, 79 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: if you were to put foundation through the bad it 80 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: would look so bad. It looks like it's bumpy, like 81 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: it would look like what are you trying to cover it? 82 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: Just doesn't like, just let it breathe. And also, since 83 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: we're being honest, it's not as bad as you think 84 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: it is. But don't try to over make up it, 85 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: because I think that's that's never doing fairs. 86 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: So Patrick, you saying that, thank you? Pause, pause, pause, 87 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: because Patrick keeps being like, it's really not that bad 88 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: or like to the point where I'm like, Patrick, I 89 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: know you're lying to me. You're just He's like I 90 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: don't even see it like that far where. 91 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, he might be telling truth because he's got 92 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,119 Speaker 2: ma goggles. He doesn't see what we see. 93 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: Well, that's true, but I said, you can't just lie 94 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: to me anymore. You have to think of something else 95 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: to say when I'm like frustrated and like complaining about it, 96 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: because sometimes I just look the vent. So now he says, 97 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: when I'm like, oh, my face is so bad, he 98 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: just goes, I love you. It's nothing else to say. 99 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: I am acknowledging that your face feels and looks bad 100 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 2: to you, which I think I get where guys are 101 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: coming from. Like there's times where I have stuff going 102 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: on with my face and my boyfriend doesn't notice it. 103 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: I think he's tell the truth. And I'm telling you 104 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 2: as your friend because I also know that I would 105 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: notice what's going on your face, Like I don't want 106 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 2: to discount I get it you have bumps on your face. 107 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 2: I am also telling you they don't look as bad 108 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: as you think. 109 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, But I'm if I walked in and 110 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: didn't say anything, you would notice it. 111 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: It just yeah, but it's not that bad. I wouldn't 112 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: notice it and think like Kat do you have a 113 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: disease or or you know, like what happened? 114 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I wouldn't. I texted you and I was like, 115 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: don't be alarmed, I'm coming over and I don't have 116 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: makeup lin I know. 117 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: But the thing is, I didn't even see that text 118 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: before you walked in. 119 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: So what I'm doing is image management. I'm like calling 120 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: it out before. 121 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: Just sent a text. 122 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: You walk in said it. Yes, So I do realize 123 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: I think I've. 124 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: Just called image image management. Yeah, well is that a tool. 125 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: It's something that we do when we are trying to 126 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: like get ahead of somebody else thinking something about us. 127 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: So if I'm feeling like really uncomfortable in my clothes 128 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: or something, I can walk in and be like, oh 129 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: my jeans are so tight today. So if I'm thinking 130 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: they look bad on me, then you won't think it first, 131 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: I've already said it. I've got ahead of it, and 132 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: so you can't hurt me. 133 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 2: So it's more of a tactic than a tool. 134 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. 135 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I was thinking like you were like, it's 136 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: what you should be doing, and. 137 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: It's like negative coping skull. It's the whole idea of 138 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: when you you I mean, this is literally what I've 139 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: been doing when you you're going to hang out with 140 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: friends and you're like, oh, I have this big ZiT 141 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: on my face and then they're like, well, I wasn't 142 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: even going to notice that, but now I see it, 143 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? We do it because we 144 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: want to feel better, because we don't want that uncomfortable, 145 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: unknown feeling of people looking at us and thinking it. 146 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: So it's like me saying, I know what you're thinking. 147 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: So you know it's an unhealthy coping tool and you 148 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: didn't anyway, what should you do? I know, let's do 149 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 2: this exercise. I'm like, you are gat you're human because 150 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: I thought you were perfect? No, no, no, no, because I 151 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: know I'm guilty of that tactic. Others listening probably are too. 152 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: So what should we do instead? If we had that 153 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: urge to go in and announce our vulnerability out the 154 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: gates so that nobody else can. 155 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, what should we do opposite action, which is the 156 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: opposite of what I'm just say nothing, Yeah, so walk 157 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: in and just be like hey, because what happens is 158 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: usually when we do that, we're calling all this negative 159 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: attention to ourselves, where like I could have walked in 160 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: and you could have. I don't know what you would 161 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: have complimented of me today because I kind of just 162 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: like rolled out of bed. But the color of. 163 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: Your sweatshirt looks really pretty on you. 164 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: You could have I could have walked in and you 165 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: could have been like, oh my gosh, I love that sweatshirt. 166 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: But I didn't give you the chance to do that, 167 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: so I didn't get to give myself a chance to 168 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: receive a compliment. Instead, we've just been talking about my 169 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: skin for thirty five minutes. 170 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: Well, you did dish out compliments. You were like, your 171 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: skin looks so good, and I'm like, you're just saying 172 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: that right now. We can feel your skin looks so beautiful. 173 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: Like I told you, it looks like what I say, 174 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: baby skin. 175 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: Oh well, it feels a little rough to me because 176 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: I started my what's it called again, retinal my retinal again, 177 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: so then I kind of had to exfoliate, So I 178 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: think that's what's happening. Retnel doesn't burn. No, I use 179 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: a very mild one from BIOPELP, but it's I'm now 180 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: putting it back into my routine, but I do it 181 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: every other night. Even though it's mild. My skin is 182 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: so sensitive that I'm slowly building every other night, but 183 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: it's already flaking off. Thank you, pospospous for that compliment. 184 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: But then you were also like, and your hair looks 185 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: really good. And then I was like, oh, it's so dirty, 186 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: I need to wash it, and you go, don't wash it. 187 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: It looks good. 188 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: So you did a little bit of like, uh, you 189 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: couldn't take the compliment because my hair I don't field 190 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: I was gonna wash it today, but now will you 191 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: gave me a little booze? Do not wash it? You're 192 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: having a really good hair day, which makes me think 193 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: of like, are you robbing yourself of good hair days 194 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: by washing your hair when it looks like this. 195 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's not so much what it's looking like, it's 196 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: what I smell. 197 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: Why smell? 198 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: Sure? 199 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: Wash it? 200 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: The ends of it smell okay, But I feel like 201 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: my roots get a little stinky, like something. I don't know. 202 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: I just feel like maybe making time get you some 203 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: like root freshening spray. 204 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So you're feeling disgusted, well, 205 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 2: and I. 206 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: Vow to Okay, this is gonna be so hard to 207 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: me because for me, because the people that I'm gonna 208 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: see today are all people I'm really close with. But 209 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: I want to challenge myself to do opposite action today, 210 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna see my mom later. She already knows 211 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: about this on my face, so I'm gonna try not 212 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: to say anything. No need If she brings it up, though, 213 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: then I give myself full permission to be like, oh, 214 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: I'm so frustrated. 215 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 2: That's okay to want to vent, but you there's no 216 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 2: need for you to upon arrival. 217 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: To be like, look and now I've told you your 218 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: face and then at work, clearly that's gonna be easy 219 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: for me. I'm not gonna open the door to my 220 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: clients and be like, Okay, don't be alarmed. I know 221 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: I have breakouts. I would never do that, so that's 222 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: not as much of a challenge. So today I'm gonna 223 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: challenge myself to not do any image manage. 224 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: Just like open the door and run back to your 225 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 2: chair and then tell them you're playing a fun game 226 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: where they're going to face the wall today. It's called 227 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: face the wall work. 228 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: It's also so traumatizing. 229 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: You've to sit in the corner and face the wall. 230 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: Yes, speaking of I know I talked about this last week. 231 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: I finished the Jody Hildebrandt documentary. Yeah, oh my gosh. 232 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: You know what, I do want to recommend it to 233 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: people because I think it's a good warning of just 234 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: the like I said last time, the power of manipulation 235 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: and all that, but evil, evil, evil, And I believe 236 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: in the power of forgiveness and change and transformation and 237 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: all that. But I don't think there's their sentence scene 238 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: was as bad as it should have been. Do you know, 239 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: are you familiar with the story. 240 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 2: I am familiar with the story, but I've not watched 241 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 2: the documentary. It's like, honest, I remember watching something on 242 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: Ruby Frankie Okay, I cried Franky or frank Frankie Franky Okay. 243 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: They'll serve four to thirty years in prison, so. 244 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: People are interested in watching it. The Jody Hildebrandt's story 245 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: is on Netflix, and yeah, it says that it highlights 246 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: her role as a mastermind behind the abuse, tracing her 247 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: rise to power in her community and her twisted teachings. 248 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: Golly, yeah, it's sick the things that they're doing to but. 249 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: It's like how people like that even rise in a community. 250 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it shows the progression, which I think that is 251 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: I think the helpful part of like, you don't just 252 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: jump into it, because when people would be like that 253 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: lady's crazy, it was a slow progression where she controlled 254 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: people and like ruin people's lives and those kids are 255 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: going to have that trauma for the rest of their lives, 256 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: like it's changed their life in a bad way. Yeah, anyway, 257 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: tell me about the eagerness you're feeling. 258 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: Bring us up a little bit, right, This is definitely 259 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 2: gonna bring you up totally different. Okay, we're doing. 260 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: A one eighty. 261 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 2: I ordered a new bird feeder and it arrived today. 262 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: You're back into the birds. Well, they never left me, 263 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: but I realized I put some bird feeders up around 264 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 2: my house. But I moved into my new house a 265 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: year and a half ago. I used to have a 266 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: bird feeder at my last house that was right by 267 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: my kitchen table window. And here the way my home 268 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: is set up, where my porches and my bird feeders 269 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 2: are out in the yard, I have to be sitting 270 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: on the screened porch to see the birds, and the 271 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: screen porch is still cold, so I can't be like 272 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: at my kitchen window and looking out and seeing the birds. 273 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: They're in my yard, so I see them, but they're far. 274 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: So I found a solution. I was sitting at my 275 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 2: kitchen table and I looked over this window that's kind 276 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: of tucked. It's window right by my kitchen table, right 277 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: where my laundry room door is. The window there, though, 278 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 2: is behind bushes and trees like in my front landscaping. Well, 279 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 2: that's the perfect place. But a suction cup birdhouse onto 280 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: the window because you won't I wouldn't want I don't 281 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: know why, but I wouldn't want that on my front window. 282 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: When you're pulling up to my house. But because this 283 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: is disguised by bushes, you don't really see it. 284 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: Oh you can't see that window, not really, it's sort 285 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: of hidden. I don't think it's weird that you don't 286 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: want a bird feeder section cup to the front window 287 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: of your house. Okay, that's normal. 288 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, well, but just in case anybody has that, 289 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: Oh okay, you do you like? That's okay, But for 290 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: me that would be off because I would be like, well, 291 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: I need well on every window because I wanted to 292 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: look well. So I had this revelation and I go 293 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: on Amazon and I find the suction cup bird feeder 294 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: and it has arrived. So I'm so eager to get 295 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: done with my work and a few other things that 296 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: I need to do today and I get to open 297 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: up that package because I also ordered new bird seed, 298 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: so I got a fresh bag of bird seed and 299 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: a new feeder. I'm in a suction to the outside 300 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: of that window, and the birds they're gonna come, and 301 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: they're gonna come right to my window. 302 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 303 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: So like I don't have to be on on the 304 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: screen porch and I can be sitting at my kitchen 305 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: table and the birds can come visit. 306 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. And do you have your little I feel like 307 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: you used to have this laminated sheet with it was 308 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: a book of like all these different birds. 309 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: My bird book is out on my screen. 310 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: Porch or is it bird bingo or something? 311 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: I would just play, Yeah, I would play bird Bingo. 312 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: I don't have that anymore. I mean, I suppose it's somewhere, 313 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: but maybe with my new feeder, I need to bust 314 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: out a new round because I'm gonna have new visitors 315 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: to that feeder and I'll be like, hey, cardinal check, 316 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: chickad eat check. 317 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: What's the most day check? Rare bird that you had 318 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: coming to your bird feeder before. 319 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: I mean they weren't rare. I mean I would get 320 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: excited if I could like name them and you would see. 321 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: I love seeing a tufted titmouse. I knew you were 322 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: going to say that that's my favorite. You know, A 323 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: blue jay never came to my feeter till my dad died. 324 00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: No way way I had cardinals had morning, lots of 325 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: mourning doves. Does doves come in pairs? 326 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: It's cute? Oh that is cute. I was gonna say, 327 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: does a a hummingbird? Does that have a different bird food? Yes, 328 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: that's okay. You're looking at me like. 329 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: Well, it's not like I don't know what you call it, 330 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: like a nectar, so I don't. I tried to be 331 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: a hummingbird person, but I wasn't good at changing out 332 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: the liquid stuff. And they'll come to that, but they 333 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: don't come to my bird feeder. Do you know the 334 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: only bird that can fly backwards is yeah? Did you 335 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: know that? 336 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: I think maybe you've told me that fact before. 337 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: Fun fact. I'm very eager. I'm very, very very very 338 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: eager to set this up, like I feel like it's 339 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: just gonna change everything. 340 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: And should I get a bird feeder? Maybe would change 341 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: how I feel about my faith? 342 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: Yes, because you get to see the the wonders of 343 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: the world of clothes. Wait, you're at awe, you're not. 344 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: I don't think you get to know them, especially if 345 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: cards visit and they have certain features at times I 346 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: can't remember the exact way, like is it called molting? 347 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: It's the shedding of their feathers. But cardinals, to me, 348 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: I started to be able to tell them apart in 349 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: like their feather display and their shape. 350 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: So would the same cardinal come back to you? 351 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and I'd be like, oh, there he is, 352 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: and I would like give them little nicknames. And then 353 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: of course the male cardinals are red and the female 354 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: cardinals are brown. 355 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: But that's crazy. I didn't know. 356 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: But my mom doesn't identify. 357 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: She's gender fluid. 358 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, fluid. 359 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't think i'd be a very good 360 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: bird birding birder, what do you call them? Bird burden. 361 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: So in our neighborhood there's two little pond lake things 362 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: like fishing lakes in the front when you come in 363 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: this certain entry, and there's two swans in each lake. 364 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: And it was getting to be cold, and and Patrick 365 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: one day we're like, when do you think those swans 366 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: are gonna like fly home or fly south or do 367 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: whatever they do in the winter because cold, and they're 368 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: still in the water. And we had lived there for 369 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: maybe four months. Those swans were fake? Which have you 370 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: seen them? You might not have noticed them, because I 371 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: would love to know if you thought that, if you 372 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: thought they were real. And there's two in each one, 373 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 1: and we always like, it's so cute. They're always together, 374 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: and there wasn't that same text they must love it there. 375 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: That's funny. 376 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: You know. 377 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 2: At my last house I had a pool and the 378 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: ducks would come. 379 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: I remember that that was crazy. 380 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: It was crazy and they were just swim in my pool. 381 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: But wouldn't it didn't bother you, right, I know it 382 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: didn't bother me. 383 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: I thought it was fantastic. 384 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: But what if you wanted to enjoy the pool, but 385 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: then the ducks were in the pond? The pool, it's theirs. 386 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: Their polls. Now they do they like poop in it 387 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: though that would be the annoying part. They don't poop 388 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 2: in it. They would poop around. 389 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I. 390 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 2: Don't think they were pooping in it. If they did. 391 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: I couldn't tell, but they would. You know, around my 392 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: pool there would be more droppings than I care to 393 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: deal with. But it's not like they were there all 394 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: the times. When they would come, I'd be like, welcome. 395 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: That was crazy, it was. 396 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that. That was that was great. I 397 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 2: had a birfect time Peter and a pond that they 398 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: would come to. So I just loved my visitors. Now, wait, 399 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. 400 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: What is the Disney character as it? That's like in 401 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: the woods and all white, snow white? You are snow white. 402 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: You literally are not anymore. 403 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 2: But I'm about to be maybe a little more. I 404 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 2: feel like some of that is coming back. Well, and 405 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 2: you're your animals follow you. 406 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: Around everywhere they do. 407 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: I know, whatever room I go to, my dog and 408 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: my cats show up, it's pretty good. 409 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: Yeah snowy oh cute. 410 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: Well that brings me comfort. Yeah, I'm grateful for them, 411 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: for sure. It brings me joy. Car used to annoy 412 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: me so much, remember, yeah, and now we've gotten better. 413 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 2: Sometimes she still annoys you, Yeah, but that's just because 414 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: she's kind of an annoying dog. But I love her 415 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: so much now, Like I love her like I don't 416 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: want to live without her. When you say to be 417 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: a really. 418 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: Dog, what do you mean? 419 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, she was just she just wants to be just 420 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: a little bit crazy now. But she used to be 421 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: at my last house. And I think it was because 422 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: of all the other toxic things going on. If you're 423 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: a new listener, you may not know. I don't speak 424 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: about the details. Those are private, but there was just 425 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: a lot happening, and she carried that as the dog. 426 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 2: So she had a lot of anxiety and she's a 427 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 2: rescue and she has her own drama and it was 428 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: too much. 429 00:19:47,720 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, speaking of toxic things, I found an article. 430 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: When I say article, I mean instagram infographic about things 431 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: that are not toxic, just uncomfortable. 432 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I trust me. 433 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: You're talking what you were good going through is like 434 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: my toxicity was toxic? 435 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: Well, I guess I don't even know what what you 436 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 2: would call it. 437 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: It would have had an unh some unhealthy dynamics. I 438 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: would say they're toxic. 439 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, you go, unhealthy dynamics, that's it. And there was 440 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: multiple players. 441 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so. 442 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: It was like a really fun video. I was like, 443 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: please make this game stop, and it does. Yeah, it did. 444 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: But I do think toxic is one of those words 445 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: now that it's thrown around way too much, and we 446 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: kind of use it as an excuse to either not 447 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: look at our own stuff or not sit with discomfort 448 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: or not. And that could be just the discomfort of 449 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: the fact that this is the way the world is, 450 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, right, So I just go through them and 451 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: you can tell me if any feelings show up. And 452 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: this comes from therapy for women. At therapy for women, someone. 453 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 2: Disagreeing with you, right, that's uncomfortable. 454 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: Not toxic, just uncomfortable, which I feel like that's a 455 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: lot of times, and it's not so simple. It's not like, oh, 456 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: she said that this hamburger wasn't good. It's if somebody 457 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: disagrees with you about a behavior or decision you made 458 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: or something like that, or you're disagreeing with them, they 459 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: have a different idea of what they need to do. 460 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: A lot of times we're like, oh, they're just being 461 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: toxic or they're so toxic I need to cut them 462 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: out of my life. And it's like, well, I just 463 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: think sometimes we need to leave space for some differences, 464 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: and that's okay that they think that what you did 465 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: was probably not the right decision, you can still think 466 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: it's okay. 467 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: My boyfriend and I were having a conversation with another 468 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 2: couple just a couple of days ago. Actually it's very recent, 469 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: and I woke up kind of even thinking about it, 470 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: like thinking if I was a toxic person, that I 471 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: would have maybe in that conversation because we weren't agreeing. 472 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: I could have like I stared at them like they're crazy, 473 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: and then shut it down, like when we got in 474 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: the car, I could be like, we're not hanging out 475 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: with them anymore. But I'm proud of myself. I didn't 476 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: do it, But I don't know why I woke up 477 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: with that thought. And maybe it was like a hint 478 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 2: of like maybe we shouldn't hang out with them, But 479 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: I was proud of us for being able to have 480 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: a difficult conversation and everybody, you know, five minutes later 481 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 2: laughing about something else. We definitely did not agree. What 482 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: I did was I said I don't agree with that. 483 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: Good for you. That's not how I see it's healthy. 484 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 2: And then they're like, oh, well, this is one of 485 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 2: my favorite things about this person. Da da da, And 486 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not how I see that at all, 487 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: and it was a yeah, it was a healthy, I 488 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,239 Speaker 2: guess disagreement. I didn't know you were going to talk 489 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 2: about this, But when I'm thinking about it, it was 490 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: a little uncomfortable, but not terribly. But it is weird 491 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: that I woke up this morning having that thought of, like, 492 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 2: there were probably some people that would have been that 493 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 2: situation and they would have just like cut it off. 494 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: I cut the relationship off because of just how black 495 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: and why so many things seem lately, especially in the 496 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: like the political landscape and oh yeah, how people are 497 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: just so my way or the highway. Like if you 498 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 2: don't think like I do, well, you're you know. 499 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: You're toxic, yeah, or you're bad or And I think 500 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: there are things that you can feel really strongly about 501 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: and you can have like deal breakers for yourself. Sure 502 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: that's okay, but not everything has to be a deal breaker, 503 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: And we need to learn how to sit in myself included, 504 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: Like I think I'm part of this because it's easier 505 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: to be like, oh, I don't want to deal with 506 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: that anymore, so I'm just not going to have a 507 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: relationship with them, versus like sit with the fact that like, yeah, 508 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: these people might believe this, and that's hard for me 509 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: to comprehend. But I think that even goes into we 510 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: talked about the drama triangle a couple weeks back, maybe 511 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: a month, that was in December. I think if you 512 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: haven't listened to that episode, I highly recommend it. Part 513 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: of the drama triangle is to lower expectations and create boundaries. 514 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: And I can just create boundaries around those things, and 515 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: so when I no longer have that conversation, like if 516 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: it's about something political, for instance, I don't talk about 517 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: politics with that person, and then I can start to 518 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: see the other things that I still might find redeeming 519 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: about them. And again, this is all nuanced, So I'm 520 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: sure there are plenty of reasons why you would want 521 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: to cut a relationship, relationship up, a relationship off with someone. 522 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: But if it's we're just saying, like, not every time 523 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: somebody disagrees with you, are they toxic people? It just 524 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: sometimes is difficult to sit with right proud of you. 525 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 2: Well, thanks, I mean, I wasn't sharing it free to 526 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: be proud of me at all, but I will take it, yeah, 527 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: because I guess when I think about it, I'm like, 528 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 2: we did handle that well yeah, huh, okay, yeah, now 529 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 2: it happened. If it happens again, they're done. 530 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: Two strikes, they're out. Second one is being asked to compromise. 531 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: Not toxic, just uncomfortable. 532 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: I feel like, if someone's asking you to compromise, how 533 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: would that ever be perceived as toxic? 534 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: If they're asking you to give something up unclearly yeah, 535 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: and they're like, I can't believe they would ask me 536 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: of that. I mean, this is spectrum of ways that 537 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: this would show up. It's not just like hey, like, 538 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: can we meet at five thirty in set of five? 539 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: Like I don't think anybody is sorry. 540 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 2: I'm thinking like the compromises, like okay, if you don't 541 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: want salmon for dinner, and maybe you don't want beef, 542 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: can we meet in the middle on chicken? 543 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: I think that could be like a exam. I don't 544 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: know an exact example of this, but more grand scheme 545 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: that would be more like straight with somebody, like you're 546 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: doing some business decision and like I don't see it 547 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: the way you see it, so I'm asking you to 548 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: meet me in the middle. 549 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: Or it's like you're having a compromise your integrity though. 550 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that would be toxic. I don't know that 551 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: that might not even well if they're I think that 552 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: this is where it gets nuanced, because you might have 553 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: different ideas of integrity. And if it's somebody's like, hey, 554 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: we should steal from this person, that's the one thing. 555 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: But if they just like are great the line of 556 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: something that isn't that big of a deal, they might 557 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: not be toxic. You might just have like way stronger morals. 558 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that they're toxic. And that sounds bad. 559 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: I feel like when I even say, but there's levels 560 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: of it. 561 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get what you're saying. 562 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: Okay, feeling guilty when you hurt somebody isn't toxic. It's 563 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: just uncomfortable. And the alem me explain this one, because 564 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: I see you're a little confused. I think sometimes when 565 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: people hurt somebody's feelings, they are like, I don't need 566 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: to feel guilt because I did what is right. Like 567 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: I had to stick up for myself. It's that whole 568 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: like if it's not a hell, yes, it's a no, 569 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: or that like very strong black and white of I 570 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: have to start self caring for myself and then I 571 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: leave people out. So we talk ourselves out of feeling guilty. 572 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: So this one is saying like, it's okay for you 573 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: to feel guilty if you hurt somebody's feelings, that's not toxic. 574 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: It's okay to feel that. Because I think lady, we've 575 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: been studying, we the world has been setting the message 576 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: of like you don't have to feel bad for that, 577 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: and like it's actually okay to have some guilt. 578 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: Oh good, okay, yeah. 579 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: Because if we hurt somebody these feelings, it's okay to 580 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I didn't like that. I do feel 581 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: a little bit guilty of that. 582 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's feel stuff around that. Yeah it should feel uncomfortable. 583 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it should feel uncomfortable. Because then what happens is 584 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: like there is again it's a nuance. It's a fine line. 585 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: There are things that like I'll sit with a client 586 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: and they'll be like they'll say, like, I feel so guilty, 587 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: and I'll ask them, well, tell me what you did wrong. 588 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: Guilt is helping you, like stay in your moral compass, 589 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: Like it's helping you do the right thing, So tell 590 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: me what you did wrong. And sometimes they can identify 591 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: something like okay, well that makes sense. It sounds like 592 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: in that scenario, there wasn't a way for you to 593 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: get what you needed and also not hurt anybody in 594 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: the process. So like, maybe there is a repair you 595 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: might want to make, who knows, And also you might 596 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: want to give yourself grace because you were putting a 597 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: hard position. But then there's also people who are like, 598 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: I did this thing, and I'm not going to feel 599 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: bad about it because xyz, even if they stepped on 600 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: people's what is it step on their toes or they yeah, 601 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: hurt people in the process. And I think that is 602 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: our way of trying to reconcile, getting your needs met 603 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: and also not having to have feelings. Does that make sense? 604 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? Back to the if it's not a hell yes, 605 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: it's a no. How do you feel about that? 606 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: Hate it? 607 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: You hate it? 608 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: When at first first people will started saying that, I 609 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: was like, heck, yeah, that was in like peak hustle culture. 610 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: Speaking of the twenty sixteen you know, it's been a 611 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: thing lately of reminiscing on twenty sixteen. I feel like 612 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: that's when that got really big around that time. 613 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: If it's not a hell yes, it's a no. 614 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 1: It was a girl boss all of that, And I 615 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: think that is black and white. 616 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's so much great. I feel like sometimes 617 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 2: I would try to apply that and I'd be like, but, 618 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 2: like I've probably said, like but I don't really know 619 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 2: for sure, like is. 620 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: It a but I kind of want to do it? 621 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I'm like, but I guess if it's 622 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: not a definite clear yes. Now I understand some things 623 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: like if you need to make a quick decision, that 624 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: could be a quick method you use of like if 625 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: you're making me make up my mind right now and 626 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: I'm only like a little bit in then okay, I'm out. 627 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was that was intended. See, we 628 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: just take everything too far. That was intended to help 629 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: people say no, because it was really targeted towards women, 630 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot. 631 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: Okay, what about this one? No is a complete sentence? 632 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: Okay, another one that I used to love and now 633 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: I feel torn on because sometimes explanations are needed, sometimes 634 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: they're not. The intention I think behind that was so 635 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: people didn't feel like they had to over explain themselves. 636 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: But if you asked me a question, name something that 637 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 1: you would ask me for, Like, I don't know what 638 00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: do you need from me? 639 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: While I'm trying to think of how serious do we 640 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: want to make it? 641 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: Okay, if you ask, if you text me and you're like, 642 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, my car it broke down on the 643 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: side of the road. I'm gonna be late for work. 644 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: Can you come pick me up? And I just said no, 645 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: I just n period sent it to you. 646 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be that was aggressive. That would just 647 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: be weird, Like we don't talk like that, Okay, But 648 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: I don't know that that's what it's for, right, Like 649 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: what if it were? 650 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: But I think that's the point is it's intended for this, 651 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: and then we've used it for all these other we 652 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: exaggerate to make us less uncomfortable about doing that. 653 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: Okay, here's one where I think maybe it applies more. 654 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: I love the car example, but that's just like not 655 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: like you would never be like no, But if someone 656 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 2: was trying to protect their personal peace and maybe they 657 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 2: had a lot going on and they didn't have the 658 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 2: bandwidth for somebody else's drama, and maybe I call you 659 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: and you know that I have something dramatic going on, 660 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: and I'm like, or I text you to give you 661 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 2: a heads up, like, hey, do you have time to 662 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 2: talk today about like this just happens drive me crazy, 663 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 2: and then you, knowing where you are with your mental 664 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: health for this day, you're like, I really don't have 665 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: the capacity for her drama today, so you just replied 666 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: that no again. But that's to protect your peace, I know, 667 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: But I feel like someone that might be a case 668 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 2: where someone might be like, I don't need to explain myself. 669 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: I just don't have time for them today. 670 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: No. 671 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: But then that is weird because I would want you 672 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 2: to say. What I would really appreciate from you is, Hey, 673 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: I know you're going through a lot, and I would 674 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 2: love to work through this with you. I don't have 675 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 2: the bandwidth for it today, but maybe tomorrow. 676 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: Yes, you're using that like the phrase like it knows 677 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: a complete sentence. I think it's supposed is supposed to 678 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: and like the Grand scheme of things help people say 679 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: sentences like you said not just say an oh, it's 680 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: been taken to literally if that makes sense, Like that 681 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: was just me saying no, because if you did ask 682 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: me that, I would be like, oh, I can't today, 683 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: but here's another day x y Z. And some people 684 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: could even say like I don't have the time today. 685 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Like what but just me being like, oh, 686 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: my therapist said knows a complete sentence, so I should 687 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: practice doing that, and me just saying n O period 688 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: to you, you would probably be like that was harsh. 689 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: What's going on with her? And like whoops? And so 690 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,479 Speaker 1: it's not clear. I don't think that that's clear. And 691 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: you've taught me like being clear as kind? Or is 692 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: it Brene Brown that taught you that? 693 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 2: No, I mean, I don't know who originally said it. 694 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people say it, but my 695 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: mentor of sorts, you know, her name's Alex. Yeah, she 696 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 2: has drilled into me clear ast kind. Also I got 697 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 2: it from Janet way back in the day therapy. No 698 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: clear is kind? Unclear is unkind? Okay, A lot of 699 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: people in the recovery space too, you hear. 700 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: It a lot. 701 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: So SIT's bro, it's a good reminder. 702 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: So no complete can be a complete sentence. And that's 703 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: not the sentence that we use. When we use it exactly, 704 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't sound as good and instagram graphic. I think 705 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: that's part of the problem there. 706 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 2: Okay, So what else isn't toxic? Just uncomfy? 707 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: Someone expressing disappointment, Like if somebody shares with you that 708 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: they're like disappointed in something or it could be something 709 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: you did, it could be something whatever. They're not being toxic. 710 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: It's okay to do that. 711 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: It's just uncomfortable. 712 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, to hear it, just hear that. Yeah. Now again, 713 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: this is all nuanced. So there's levels of this, and 714 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: the last one is conflict that leads to growth. So 715 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: any conflict that leads to growth most likely is not 716 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: going to be toxic to be healthy, conflict that leads 717 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: to growth versus disruption and destruction. 718 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 2: I will say too, like, certain things are uncomfortable. This 719 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: isn't profound, like nothing, Like what's she going to say? 720 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 2: You're gonna be like, well, yeah, duh. But it's helpful 721 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 2: to consider in your thoughts when pondering comfort. Things are 722 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: uncomfortable until they're not. 723 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: Okay, funny because you set it up. But I know 724 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 1: that is a good pension. 725 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: My My point is, when I'm looking back over the 726 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 2: last five or six years, some stuff that used to 727 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 2: be so uncomfortable for me isn't uncomfortable anymore because I 728 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 2: leaned into the uncomfort. I got comfortable with the uncomfortable too. 729 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 2: So now new situations, circumstances arise and you have to 730 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 2: navigate those waters. And now I'm just picturing like a 731 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: bicep lifting like a dumb bell, like but because I exercised, 732 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 2: Like it's this picture a dumbell that's like says uncomfortable, 733 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 2: and I'm like lifting it like the more I lift it, 734 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 2: the easier it gets, and so it's not uncomfortable anymore. 735 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 2: Like over time, not in that same overtime. No, Like 736 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 2: I'm talking like some of the stuff maybe took two 737 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 2: years or and I'm talking about in ways of how 738 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 2: you communicate, in ways of how you operate in relationships, 739 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 2: of how you handle something toxic or uncomfortable. But because 740 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 2: you exercise that that muscle, like, the more we avoid, 741 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 2: because then that's you never face the uncomfortable, so you 742 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: don't learn how to lift it. Yeah, now you've follow it. 743 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: No, I love what you're saying. 744 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: It was just your setup that really got me. You've 745 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: never pictured a dumb bell that says uncomfortable, never use that, 746 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 2: but who knows I might use that? Now? Be like 747 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 2: picture it. You're at the gym and you go over 748 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 2: to the weight rack and you pick up the dumb 749 00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 2: bell that says uncomfortable. You know because like one day, Oh, 750 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 2: I was at the gym with my boyfriend the other 751 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: day and we were doing what's the bench an incline bench, 752 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 2: and I was doing chest presses, yeah, like on an incline. 753 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: And I've seen and read from many experts in perimenopause 754 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 2: that perimenopausal women need to be lifting to exertion, like 755 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 2: by the eight rep it should be very very difficult, 756 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: like maybe eight is your max. And you know, a 757 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 2: lot of time, like I grew up in a lifting 758 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 2: weights of like three sets of fifteen, you know, and 759 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: then you just kind of do it, and it's you know, 760 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 2: by the time you get fifteen, it's hard but whatever. 761 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,439 Speaker 2: But we're talking like by the time you're doing eight, 762 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 2: it's like I can barely right. So my boyfriend is 763 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 2: even spotting me because I normally lift like five or 764 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 2: ten pounds, but he I got twenty five pound dumbbells 765 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 2: in each arm. 766 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,479 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 767 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 2: But I mean he was there so that if it 768 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 2: fell like or if I, yeah, like I buckled and 769 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 2: like dropped it, I would be fine. But I told 770 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 2: him I wanted to practice maxing out and I could 771 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 2: only make it to eight, and then we set him down, 772 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 2: and then I tried it again and I made it, 773 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 2: Like I think by the third time, I started to 774 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 2: trust myself a little more and I made it to nine. 775 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,919 Speaker 2: But I know next time we go back, I'll be 776 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 2: more comfortable to be like, OK, yeah, let's get the 777 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 2: twenty five, because when he first bought me the twenty five, 778 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 2: I was like, stop, no, let's try twenty He's like, no, no, no, 779 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 2: let's try this. But I'll be more inclined to lay 780 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 2: down and be like, yeah, give me the twenty fives 781 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 2: because I know I can do it, And then fast 782 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: forward maybe two or three more gym visits, and I'd 783 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 2: be like, get the thirties. 784 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: And even the confidence that I can even see like 785 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 1: happening after your time story. 786 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 2: So when something uncomfortable happens, my point is you're ready 787 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 2: for it. Yeah, and you're gonna be like this isn't 788 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 2: gonna be easy to lift, but I know I can 789 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 2: do it. Well. 790 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: It's what you're saying too, is like the only way 791 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: through is through. 792 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 2: Don't get me through us through? Yeah, and the you know, 793 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 2: like I said a couple of minutes ago, at the beginning, 794 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 2: things are uncomfortable, are uncomfortable till they're not. 795 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: You heard it here first Ladies and Gentlemen. 796 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 2: Quoter what was I don't even remember the exact quote, 797 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 2: but it's like things are uncomfortable until they're not. 798 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: That literally, the thing was sweet. Nobody's ever probably said 799 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: that before either, so you can really I'm kidding. I'm sorry. 800 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: That was kind of mean. You got excited. 801 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 2: Well you're toxic, okay, So so that ends that segment. Yeah, 802 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 2: so things that aren't toxic just uncomfortable. 803 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: And this is not an exhausted list, obviously, it's just 804 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: this one little thing I found online that I liked 805 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: good reminders. 806 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 2: So I made protein balls the other night that were 807 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 2: not good at all, and my boyfriend had to say, like, 808 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 2: this isn't your best work. But I had to improvise 809 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 2: because I didn't have everything, and you know, I typically 810 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 2: if I'm putting protein powder in them, it's unflavored. Way, well, 811 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 2: I was out, so I'm unflavored. So I used a vanilla. 812 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: That's where you went wrong. 813 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 2: It went so wrong, and then I thought, well, i'll 814 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 2: fix this. I'll add a little milk ew I know, 815 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 2: wait's I don't know, I don't know it needed. I 816 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 2: just thought, well, I'm just gonna go rogue from the 817 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 2: recipe and just like try something different and create it. 818 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 2: And then it was like mushballs and they eventually hardened. 819 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: Did you eat them or did you throw them out? Yeah? 820 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 2: When you saw me eating one earlier, that was one 821 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 2: of them. I'm not going to waste it. 822 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you're really good at not wasting. 823 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 2: Food, thank you. So wasn't my best work at all. 824 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 2: And I had to take that feedback from him, like 825 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 2: he wasn't being toxic. Though. It was uncomfortable because I 826 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 2: was like, well, shoot, dang, I didn't like hearing it. 827 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: Well, and did you kind of like know though? Yeah? 828 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 2: I kind of like knew, but I mean I didn't 829 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 2: think they were like terrible. But he was just like, oh, 830 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 2: it's not your best work. 831 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be a little bit harder for you 832 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: to hear that probably if you're like, oh my gosh, 833 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:14,879 Speaker 1: these are so good taste someone. 834 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 2: He was like, oh, oh yeah, that would be difficult 835 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 2: and said I knew I went rogue. I said, well, 836 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 2: I had improvise and this is what we got, so 837 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 2: take it or leave it, buddy. So then last night 838 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 2: I was at his house and he had all the 839 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 2: ingredients for the balls minus protein powders, so these aren't 840 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 2: protein balls. We just made balls and he had everything else. 841 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 2: And he's like, okay, do it your way. So I 842 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 2: pull up the Feeling Things podcast, like, I go to that. 843 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 2: Do you ever do that? Like? I literally go to 844 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 2: our cooking made post so many times. I know, but 845 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 2: I just didn't after my mishap. 846 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like, I can't take any chance. 847 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 2: I didn't trust myself. So I went to on our 848 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 2: Instagram page and I went to the cooking video of 849 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 2: the first time we made the protein balls, and I 850 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 2: was like verbat him and I had measuring cups out 851 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 2: and I'm like, we're not messing these up. Well, he 852 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 2: doesn't like chocolate chips, which is something we put in there. 853 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 2: He doesn't like them. He'll pick them out. 854 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't like the flavor. 855 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: He doesn't like chocolate speaking of bumps. He's like it 856 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 2: breaks me out. And I'm like one chocolate chip and 857 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 2: he's like, well there's not one, there's like half a cup. 858 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 2: Does he like the flavor of chocolate? Not really, he 859 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 2: just doesn't. He's like, I've never been someone habit and 860 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 2: trust me. He's like, if I when I have chocolate, 861 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 2: I my skin is different. So it's like, I don't 862 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 2: mess with it. 863 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: You think that my bumps. I'm just kidding. 864 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 2: Is it chocolate? 865 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: I don't think it. Wait, that is so interesting. I 866 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: feel like you don't meet that many people that like 867 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: don't like love chocolate. 868 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, he does not love chocolkay, so I said, And 869 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 2: he did have chocolate chips. I mean he has kids. 870 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 2: So I was like, do you want me to not 871 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 2: put in the chocolate chips? I said, but I feel 872 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 2: like it's going to miss something because, like to me, 873 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 2: the chocolate chips yes, a little crunch. And he's like, well, 874 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 2: I have rice crisps like Cereal. Why are you? 875 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: At first, I was thinking, right. 876 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,439 Speaker 2: Well, the degree the brand specifically, because I will say 877 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 2: the puff in these is nice. The brand is one degree. 878 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 2: I looked at the box. One degree maybe brown rice puffs? 879 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 1: Okay? 880 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 2: He said he got them at Whole Foods, but I'm 881 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 2: sure you could get them at public Sir Kroger, I 882 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 2: don't know. And HB shout out from a Texas listeners 883 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 2: and let me tell you, we didn't put chocolate chips. 884 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,800 Speaker 2: We put the brown rice crisppuff ball thingies so good. 885 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: I'm imagining that being good. 886 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 2: I mean, game changer. You could even add it with 887 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 2: the chocolate. 888 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: Can I still have the chocolate ships? 889 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think I have rice cake. 890 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: So i'magining it just like adds a little bit more 891 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,280 Speaker 1: like airy crunched. 892 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 2: And airy crunch is a good way to put it. 893 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 2: And let me tell you, as soon as I get 894 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 2: I'm out of ingredients at my house. But now that 895 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 2: I've made this at his, and I got to go 896 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 2: get my own box of one degree and I got 897 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 2: to get some unflavored way because I like having the 898 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 2: protein in them. I'm making these with the chocolate chips 899 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 2: and the puffs and it's it's like our recipe elevator. 900 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 2: It's the twenty twenty six version. I cannot wait. 901 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: I have a question about this though, because do you 902 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: need to add more wet ingredients in. 903 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 2: There so they stay together? No? 904 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: Oh really nope, because sometimes mine are a little dry, 905 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: so I add a little extra honey or peanut butter. 906 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: So this was still okay. 907 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 2: How much of the of it did you use? Like 908 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 2: a cup did not measure? Because I just was like, oh, well, 909 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 2: I'm just adding it in for an extra crunch. So 910 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 2: I just sprinkled it. So I have to get a 911 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 2: measurement if people want that, But I think you could 912 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 2: just like sprinkle to you'll till you're content. Okay, so 913 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 2: do you sort of like with the chocolate chips, I 914 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,320 Speaker 2: think we have a measurement on our recipe. 915 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: But like something you too much, too much? 916 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 2: I agree, sometimes it's too much, so you could do less, 917 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 2: just add as you go, figure out what works for you. 918 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 2: And I gotta say, this is one of those things 919 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 2: that was born out of maybe some uncomfortableness because I 920 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 2: had to go through the crappy balls and and my 921 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 2: boyfriend say like, oh, not your best work to then 922 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 2: the next night me wanting to prove myself at his 923 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 2: house to be like I got you. I know last 924 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 2: night they were pretty bad, but I can do this 925 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 2: and I'm going to make you some good balls. 926 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: And I did it, and I did it, but it 927 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:25,919 Speaker 1: life was forever change. 928 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 2: But I probably wouldn't have made them. Yeah, So like 929 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 2: also look at it that way when you're going through 930 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 2: something uncomfortable. 931 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's giving you the push you need what to 932 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: get to you? 933 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 2: What is going to come from it. 934 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what does this make possible? Better balls? Better balls? 935 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 2: Crunch your crunch your bone. 936 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: Crunch your balls. So that was a game changer. 937 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 2: I want to try that. Yeah, I'm loving I'm loving 938 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 2: those balls. In fact, I'm going to go over to 939 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 2: my boyfriend's house today and there's going to be some 940 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 2: left and I can't wait to eat one since I 941 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,359 Speaker 2: don't have the ingredients at my house yet. So I'm 942 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 2: going to be eating more those today and I'm going 943 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 2: to be finishing book Lovers. Finishing, Yeah, let me finishing it. 944 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: When did you start it. 945 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 2: Two days ago? Maybe when I right when I finished Nightingale? 946 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 2: I picked it right up, which is quite the difference 947 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 2: because Nightingale, uh was obviously historical fiction, very heavy, like 948 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,359 Speaker 2: I was crying, and so I was happy to roll 949 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 2: into something lighter, and I decided to make my first 950 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 2: Emily Henry read Book Lovers. 951 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: Can you give us a summary of what it's about? 952 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 1: Because the title doesn't really make me want to read it? 953 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, it's two people. They love books crazy, and 954 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 2: so they're one is a book editor and one as 955 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 2: a book a literary agent. 956 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 1: Are they women as one a man? 957 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 2: Are they one as a man and one as a woman. 958 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: Oh, the book Lovers Love is multi dimensional there, Yeah, 959 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: isn't it? Okay? 960 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 2: But it's I'm like, really cute. Oh and there's a 961 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,920 Speaker 2: cute sister of relationship happening. Okay, I like also in 962 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 2: The Nightingale there was a sister relationship. Well, define it's cute. 963 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's different. I was gonna say I like her 964 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: books because they're easy read. So that's what sounds like. 965 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: That was easy read, like you're you're almost done with this? 966 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,720 Speaker 2: Yes, Although Nightingale I appreciated the font on the book 967 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 2: was a little bit bigger. So switching from that to 968 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 2: Book Lovers, the book is smaller. And I need my 969 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 2: reading glasses. I need reading classes. I got mine by 970 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 2: prescription and then I lost them, and I've been so 971 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 2: upset about them because they were expensive that I've refused 972 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,879 Speaker 2: to get new ones because I keep hoping i'll find them. 973 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't. I think maybe if they are 974 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 1: glasses that help you see. 975 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I can see. I can still see. 976 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: If you're straining to read, I think that makes your 977 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:00,319 Speaker 1: eyesight worse. 978 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 2: Right, Really, it's not like a muscle. I'm not exercising it. 979 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,440 Speaker 1: No, I think it's straining makes your eyesight worse. 980 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,800 Speaker 2: Oh. I feel like if you start to use glasses 981 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 2: too soon before you need it, you become too dependent 982 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 2: and you weaken your eye. Did I just make that up? 983 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 2: At least that's what I'm hope. 984 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. 985 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 2: I don't know either. I was just hoping for that 986 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 2: being the case, you know. 987 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I think if you need glasses, 988 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,879 Speaker 1: the best solution is like to wear them, get them 989 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 1: and wear them. 990 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 2: Get them and wear them. What are you reading? 991 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: So? Well? I put this book in the newsletter last week, 992 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: but I've been reading. I'm on a Kristin Hannah kick, 993 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: which is who wrote The Nightingale. But I'm saving The 994 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,839 Speaker 1: Nightingale because I want to read that, and I listen 995 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: to all my books. So what's going to happen is 996 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 1: I'm probably never going to read The Nightingale. 997 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,319 Speaker 2: No, you have to. I know it might be my 998 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 2: favorite book ever, and I know I just finished it. 999 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,720 Speaker 2: But okay, it catapulted its first place. 1000 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, her my favorite book is one of her books. 1001 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 1: It was It's the Winter and the one that I 1002 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: months ago talked about. 1003 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 2: Well, that's what I need to read next. 1004 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,400 Speaker 1: It's so good. But I'm reading listening to Four Wins, 1005 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: which is about the Great Depression and the dust Bowl 1006 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: and people moving to California for jobs and then the 1007 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: startup unions. Sounds so boring if you would have told 1008 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,319 Speaker 1: me that. Oh literally, when it was done, I was 1009 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 1: upset that there wasn't more of it, like I wanted 1010 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 1: to keep going. Very good and you learn. That's the 1011 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: best part about historical fiction is you learn. Yeah, and 1012 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:33,800 Speaker 1: I love learning. 1013 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,799 Speaker 2: You know us learn learn, learn, which I sent you 1014 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 2: something to teach you something about cars and humans. We 1015 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 2: can end on that. It was an Instagram video that 1016 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 2: popped up of doctor Matt Townsend. He was doing looks 1017 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,839 Speaker 2: like a podcast interview with somebody, and he looked like. 1018 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 1: The sweetest he did little man. 1019 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 2: At first, I was like, is he real? 1020 00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: Is this ai? 1021 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 2: Like everything, I'm questioning everything, But he's I googled him. 1022 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,960 Speaker 2: He's real. He's got a PhD. And he was talking 1023 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:14,280 Speaker 2: about highly sensitive people. But he broke us into two categories. 1024 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 2: Humans put humans in two categories, Like you're either a 1025 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 2: Chevy or a Ferrari, Right, is that what he said? 1026 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:22,359 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1027 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 2: Both are good cars. Both are great cars. It's not 1028 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 2: about that it's about horsepower. It's not about that it's 1029 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 2: a good car or not. It's that Ferraris. I don't 1030 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 2: know how many times faster, but he described highly sensitive 1031 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 2: people as being four times more sensitive to stimuli, smell, circumstances, 1032 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 2: emotional events, news, probably anything in the world. So that's 1033 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,799 Speaker 2: more of like the Ferrari. So just for the sake 1034 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 2: of the story, it's probably does to have four times 1035 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 2: the horsepower. I don't know, but Ferraris are these people, 1036 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,880 Speaker 2: and it made me think of you. And I was like, 1037 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 2: I think CAP might be a Ferrari, And so I 1038 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 2: send it to Kat and she was like, Okay, I 1039 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:04,799 Speaker 2: think I am a little bit Like I don't think 1040 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,360 Speaker 2: I'm a Chevy, but I don't think I'm a Ferrari. 1041 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 2: So then I googled what's in between and a lower 1042 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 2: end Porsche. 1043 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,239 Speaker 1: Which I don't love that it says lower end. Can 1044 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 1: I just be a Porsche? 1045 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,759 Speaker 2: Well, because there's certain Porsches, I guess Porsches, but do 1046 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 2: you know Porsches. 1047 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,800 Speaker 1: Porsche, Yeah, you said it that way earlier feels elevated. 1048 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 2: So certain Porsches have more horsepower, like a super high 1049 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,319 Speaker 2: I'm on the lower end. 1050 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm still high, and again the Chevy's still good. 1051 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: But I think also the information he was giving was 1052 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: to help people understand that these people have so many 1053 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,080 Speaker 1: gifts to be more sensitive in that word sensitive not 1054 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,399 Speaker 1: supposed to be negative. They have so many more gifts 1055 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 1: where they can attune to things differently, and they can 1056 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,920 Speaker 1: prepare differently and all of that. But the problem is 1057 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,960 Speaker 1: when you aren't aware of that, it's easy to get 1058 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 1: off track, and it's easy for all the stimuli to 1059 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,200 Speaker 1: get you off the track versus help you get where 1060 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 1: you need to go faster. Yeah, you just said it 1061 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 1: in different words. Yeah. 1062 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 2: He was talking about how a Ferrari on a track 1063 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,959 Speaker 2: is awesome, like it's doing its thing and it's gonna win. 1064 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,399 Speaker 2: But yeah, you take it off the track and it's 1065 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,280 Speaker 2: a little disaster. 1066 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1067 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,840 Speaker 2: So make sure if you're a highly sensitive person, you 1068 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 2: get on track, get it together, keep it together, be aware, 1069 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 2: be aware where the track is, be aware where the 1070 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,600 Speaker 2: track is. Yeah. 1071 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so where would you what would you be? 1072 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 2: Because yeah, I don't think that you're I'm not a Ferrari, 1073 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,359 Speaker 2: but I don't think I'm a Chevy either. 1074 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,319 Speaker 1: But I don't think you're at my level. Like I 1075 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 1: think I'm a little more sensitive than you, not in 1076 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,360 Speaker 1: a I'm better than you. 1077 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 2: I think it's true a chill than yeah, like you 1078 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 2: have to get to the airport like five hours early, 1079 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 2: or like parking the other night we went to dinner 1080 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,320 Speaker 2: and you were like, I have to hang up the phone. 1081 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,280 Speaker 2: That's parking lot stressing me out. And then your husband 1082 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 2: is like he got there before you, and you got 1083 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,920 Speaker 2: a really good parking spot on the street, and he 1084 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 2: even knows how you are, so he texted me and 1085 00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 2: was like, hey, do you want my parking spot, because 1086 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,880 Speaker 2: he knew that just giving you that spot would like 1087 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,879 Speaker 2: then ease your mind. 1088 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,239 Speaker 1: It was too stressful for me to switch and park 1089 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: into that spot because it was parallel, so I ended 1090 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: up parking in a big parking lot. He walked over 1091 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: in the rain to my car, got in the driver's seat, 1092 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:14,799 Speaker 1: and then parked my car for me. 1093 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 2: Oh, and it. 1094 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: Was raining and it was dark, and I have a 1095 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 1: stigmatism and I can't see at night very well. 1096 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:28,560 Speaker 2: Right to you being highly sensitive, it's just it's just 1097 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 2: one of the things I see you too, as like 1098 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,400 Speaker 2: very intuitive and like I thank you. I trust your gut. 1099 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 1: You're more like flow a lot of times. 1100 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,839 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but I just so organized my silverware precisely, 1101 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,439 Speaker 2: oh very in a very precise way. 1102 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 1: When I got here today, I brought my oatmeal, but 1103 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,400 Speaker 1: I didn't have a spoon, and so I opened her 1104 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 1: silver ward war and I just feel like I looked 1105 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:01,040 Speaker 1: at you blankly and was like, that's gone on in 1106 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,800 Speaker 1: this drawer because every spoon and fork is perfectly set 1107 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 1: on top of the next, and they even look pristine 1108 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:09,920 Speaker 1: like there. 1109 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,440 Speaker 2: And it's the way I stack them up and down 1110 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,160 Speaker 2: like I have a method. Oh yeah, it's I don't 1111 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 2: know what it is, but I love when I'm unliving 1112 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 2: the dishwasher. I'm like, and one, I don't know that 1113 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 2: that's when your porch comes out. Maybe I'm like, I 1114 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,200 Speaker 2: wish you would show up in other things because there's 1115 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,920 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. I don't need to be that 1116 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 2: organized at all. But that's a drawer that I take 1117 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,400 Speaker 2: a lot of pride in it. 1118 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate that drawer. It honestly, that dor calmed me 1119 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 1: down a little bit. 1120 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,200 Speaker 2: Really Yeah, okay, good, happy I could do that. Okay, 1121 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,640 Speaker 2: So just be aware where are you on the sensitivity 1122 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 2: scale and know when you're off track. 1123 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,280 Speaker 1: Yeah cool, because. 1124 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,520 Speaker 2: When you're off track, then get wet. 1125 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,880 Speaker 1: Yeah another quote by anyone. 1126 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,839 Speaker 2: All right, well, thank you for listening. We appreciate you 1127 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,759 Speaker 2: so much. You can follow on socials, Feeling Things podcasts 1128 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 2: on Instagram, TikTok All the Things, and email us for 1129 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,040 Speaker 2: couch talks. 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