1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Comedy Saved Me. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: What happens when a freak accident threatens to end your 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: dreams before they even begin. For today's guest, a softball 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: injury that left him with a stutter could have been 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: the end of his story, but instead it became the 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: beginning of something extraordinary. I'm Lyn Hoffman and this is 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: the Comedy Saved Me podcast. 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 3: Comedy Saved Me. 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: Drew Lynch burst onto the comedy scene in twenty fifteen 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: as the runner up on America's Got Talent, turning what 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: many would see as a disability into his greatest comedic asset, 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: It's So Amazing with over two million YouTube subscribers. Drew's 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 2: story is about more than just making people laugh. It's 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: about resilience, authenticity, and finding your voice when the world 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: tries to silence you. From dealing with online trolls to 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: navigating the entertainment industry with a speech and pedim and 17 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: Drew has transformed personal adversity into a thriving career. And 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: his comedy doesn't just entertain, It challenges perceptions and proves 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: that our biggest obstacles can be our greatest strengths. Today, 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: on Comedy Save Me, we are sitting down with the 21 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,639 Speaker 2: one and only Drew Lynch to talk about how humor 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 2: became his lifeline and how making others laugh saved him 23 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: in ways he never expected. Drew Lynch, welcome to comedy. 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: Save me. 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to follow that intro. 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: It was way too good, and I wish it was 27 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: the most of the interview. I wish it was just 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: you talked the whole time and I didn't say much, 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: and then that was it. He was just like and 30 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: and you were like, and here he is. And I 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: was like hey, and you're like and that's all the 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: time we have. 33 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: I think that's the end of the show. Thanks for 34 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: joining us, Drew. 35 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: Such a good, such a good intro. I can't hear 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: it back for myself because I feel like, I just like, 37 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm not all that. I'm not all that stop it, 38 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm not all that well. 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: It is hard sometimes to hear about your own successes 40 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: because you're so busy achieving them that you don't even 41 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: realize that you're making you like, you're climbing these mountains 42 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: and you're creating such amazing things. And then you turn 43 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: around and someone gives you an intro like that, and 44 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: you're like. 45 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: Wow, that is me. 46 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: I guess it was. You made it sound good, man. 47 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, I don't know about that. 48 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 2: Well, let's get started by explaining to the world who 49 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: may not know you or maybe hearing you for the 50 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: first time. Take us back to that moment when you 51 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: first got injured in that softball game. What was going 52 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: through your mind when you realized that this stutter was 53 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: not going away? 54 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I had just signed up for 55 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: like a recreational softball league. 56 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 4: It was. 57 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: It was something that was affiliated with the comedy club 58 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: that I was working at at the time, and I 59 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: wasn't interested in doing stand up at all, or even 60 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: just even comedy. Really. I was out in LA to 61 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: do acting. And I was eighteen when I moved out here. 62 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: And in the first year that I was out here, 63 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: I had had a manager and an agent, and I 64 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: had bunch of auditions and callbacks lined up and everything 65 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: was looking, you know, pretty promising. And that day I 66 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: had just kind of experienced a freak thing where it 67 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: was a bad hop from a grounder that hit me 68 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: in the throat and I had fallen and hit my 69 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: head on the ground, and I had had a U 70 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: At the time, they thought it was it was a concussion, 71 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: but it was later diagnosed as a traumatic brain injury 72 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: just from the impact of the of the blunt force 73 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: to the ground, and that was the larger of the 74 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: two injuries. You know, the softball gets all the publicity, 75 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: but it's really just like it. It was the impact. 76 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't I was dazed that day, and I was 77 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: dazed the following day. I don't remember much, but I 78 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: remember my my roommate, uh drove me to the to 79 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: the hospital because I was disoriented and I was I 80 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: was I was speaking just not the same way you 81 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: know that I even sound now, and it was just 82 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: very it was staccato, and it was like it was 83 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: it was just it was it was. It was it 84 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: was almost like distant. It was like dissonant and disconnected. 85 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: It was like not even like even an actual stutter 86 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: in the sense of the word. It was just like 87 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: just nothing was really nothing was really oriented well in 88 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: in in my relationship to words to brain. And you know, 89 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: my parents flew out to see me in the in 90 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: the hospital that day and then they the doctors were like, yeah, 91 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: this is kind of a freak thing. But we we 92 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: we do expect a full recovery with your speech. And 93 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: then it was you know, years and years later before 94 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: with tons of tons of work and rehabilitation in order 95 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: for it to even get back to this point. So 96 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: in that moment, you know, like my whole acting career 97 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: was just done. Like I couldn't be They couldn't send 98 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: me into any rooms to audition or you know, the 99 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: whole shift was you know, you're incapable of being able 100 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: to represent yourself in this way. So it was, it was, 101 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: it was pretty It was a pretty scary time at 102 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: that time. 103 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 2: I can only imagine, especially everything you did to just 104 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: sort of take off at eighteen and move your life 105 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: out there and try to become something, and now all 106 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: of a sudden you're just cut off from that whole thing. 107 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 2: When did you first realize or when did it dawn 108 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: on you that comedy would be your way forward? I mean, 109 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: was there a specific moment when you thought, you know, 110 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: I can use this to my advantage. How do you 111 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: spin that around? Yeah, most people can't. That would ruin 112 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: most people. 113 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: Well, I actually I can't even take any credit because 114 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: there were there were a lot of I was working 115 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: at a comedy club, and there were a lot of 116 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: comics who they were just advocating for me to get 117 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: on stage to just talk about it, you know, just 118 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: just talk about it, you know. And I think I 119 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 1: think comedians like we're all kind of just a band 120 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: of misfits, you know, We're all everybody's got their own 121 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: little story or their own wrinkle or their own thing 122 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: that they're trying to use to you know, fulfill themselves, 123 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: you know. And that way, it's kind of sad, because 124 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: you don't want to try and find all of your 125 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: validation externally. But another way, like you know, humor and 126 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: light and comedy and all these words can come from, 127 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, something that's broken or something that's a little 128 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: darker or something that's atypical. Right. And so when they 129 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: when they when they had advocated that I went on 130 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: stage to just just just talk about it, they could 131 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: all kind of sense like that I was just I 132 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: needed it. I needed to feel like I was. I was. 133 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: I was, I was giving some version of control back 134 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: to my life again. And and so I remember the 135 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: very first open mic that I did. I don't think 136 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: it was I don't think it was good in terms 137 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: of like Oh that was super funny. But I just 138 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: think that the comics in the audience knew that it 139 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: was authentic and that it was vulnerable and that it 140 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: was real, and in that way, I think they were 141 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: giving me their respect. 142 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, they sure were. But thank god that they kind 143 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: of pushed you into it. Did they have to coax 144 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 2: you to do it or was it sort of easy 145 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: to give you Yeah, yeah, it was. 146 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: A little bit that. I mean, it was a few 147 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: times like you got to get up there, man, you 148 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: gotta try, you gotta try it, and and then it 149 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: uh and then you know, and then it just kind 150 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: of happened. And then when it when you started to 151 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: when I started to feel much better about the fact 152 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: that I'm not I'm not doomed right Like I'm not 153 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: totally backed into a corner and I can have some 154 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: creative autonomy again, it felt it felt like liberating, and 155 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: so I was. I was, you know, it felt very 156 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: clear to me in that moment. It was like, all right, 157 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: one one door is completely shut, I'm gonna I'm gonna, 158 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out the window. 159 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: I like that. That wasn't expecting that I was. I 160 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: was waiting for the other one to open. 161 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: All right, So here you are being coaxed to get 162 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: on this local stage and perform in front of a 163 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: small audience, and then next thing you know, you're in 164 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: front of the whole world on America's Got Talent. It's 165 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: your your this massive national breakout moment, And I'm just 166 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: curious why you decided to put yourself out there with 167 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: something so personal in such a huge way. I mean, 168 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: where did you go from that to getting on national 169 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: television or how I should say? 170 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I actually took a comedian's advice. He you know, 171 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: I was very much I was very much focused on 172 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: setting quantitative goals for myself. Qualitative goals are sometimes more 173 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: difficult to measure because you're just like I want to 174 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: be I want to be better, or I want to 175 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: lose weight, or I want to write. So if I 176 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: especially when you're experiencing rejection over and over and over, 177 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: and that's a lot of times what comedy is, that's 178 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times what building any business is anything 179 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: it it's I had to I had to find a 180 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: way that I could manage getting through it. And sometimes 181 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: that's just through the being able to document or measure 182 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: that you did it. So I initially set a goal 183 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: for myself to do one hundred and one just different stages, 184 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: like just perform in different places, just to kind of 185 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: network in different ways, right, And then the next year, 186 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: so I did that in a year. And then the 187 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: next year, I had heard a comedian say, if you 188 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: want to get you want to get good, and you 189 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: want to get good enough to get on TV, you 190 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: need to get up pretty much every night, multiple times 191 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: a night. I would recommend close to five hundred sets 192 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: in a year. And that's a lot, right, so you know, 193 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: looks like every night of the yes, every night at 194 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: least and at least twice a night. 195 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 3: Wow. 196 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: So so when I heard that, it was daunting, but 197 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: I knew that that's what I wanted to do. And 198 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: almost like you know, almost just like in a in 199 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: a in a a in a chain reaction of linear events. 200 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: It was like I finished the year at like over 201 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: five hundred sets. So I hit the year, and then 202 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: I went and auditioned in the open casting call for 203 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: for America's Got Talent, and they and then it was 204 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: just kind of like I was, uh, I just it 205 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: just felt right, It just felt like I was I 206 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: was prepared, Especially in an audition process like that show. 207 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: It's not like you just go see the judges right away. 208 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: You have to go through a series of rooms where 209 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, like they're kind of vetting you, and they're 210 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: they want to see you in this environment. They want 211 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: to see you in front of these And I think 212 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: I think had I not maybe, had I not had 213 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: the the preparation of performing in so many different environments 214 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: and so many times, I maybe wouldn't have been as prepared. 215 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: So and that show was just did such a good 216 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: job about like telling my story while also letting my 217 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: comedy get showcased. So it was just kind of a 218 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: perfect match. 219 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: It sure is. 220 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: And and and that speaks to first of all, your 221 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: your work ethic of going out there and actually doing 222 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 2: the work. I mean, it's one thing to say you're 223 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: going to do it, but then you do it, and 224 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: then the repetition really did prepare you for you know, 225 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: proper planning precedes poor performance, So it makes total sense 226 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: that you would have nailed things. 227 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: But who knew that you. 228 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: Were doing five hundred shows that year before you even 229 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: got to that stage. That's incredible, incredible, and congratulations, How 230 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: how did comedy specifically save you, you know, during some 231 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 2: of the darkest moments after your injury, and like what 232 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: role did humor play in your covering? 233 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: Was it a big role? 234 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely? You know, comedy is a it's not all that 235 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: it looks to be all the time. I mean, it 236 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: is a it's it's like something you rotate and it's like, 237 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: oh it's not a it's not a square, it's a cube, 238 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, and and and and it's it's you think, 239 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: like when you see somebody do it well, You're like, 240 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: oh that that seems pretty easy, right, Or if you 241 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: see somebody do it badly, You're like, well, I could 242 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: do better than that. So it almost empowers you whichever 243 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: way you look at it, right, And I think that 244 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: when you first get into i mean, other than the 245 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: obvious answer of just of just saying like I needed 246 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: that at that time to be able to remind myself 247 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: that that nothing is final. Nothing is final. I mean, 248 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: you have I'm I've always had like just insane drive. 249 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: I'm just a very driven person. And and the idea 250 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: that someone tells me that I can't do something is 251 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: always something that I'm gonna use as fuel to leverage 252 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: myself into a into a better position, you know, or 253 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: a position, not a better position, but one where I 254 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: feel like I can, I can decide, you know, like 255 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: that it offers choice. And I think comedy saved me. 256 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: I mean not to put so much on the whole 257 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: saving me of it, but it just what it did 258 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: was it gave me a second chance, and it gave 259 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: me perspective. Perspective not just into like, oh, what my 260 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: relationship to comedy on a professional wavelength was, but perspective 261 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: into compassion for other people. Things that like recognizing that 262 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: there's all types of things that people are going through 263 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: that you might not even see. I had something that 264 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: you could see and hear, and people still treated me 265 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: in a way that was like dismissive or or or 266 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: or like, you know, to be ignored or whatever, like 267 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: and that's a that's a hard lesson, you know, I like, 268 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: it's a hard lesson, and that your ego wants to 269 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: protect you or or assert yourself or insert yourself into 270 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: why you matter. And I think comedies come full circle 271 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: in that I started to get so excited about the 272 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: fact that I could, I could, I could say something 273 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: and write it and and it was and it was 274 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: real and people laughed at it and it all came 275 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: from me, and that was so exciting. There was an exchange. 276 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: I gave you something, you gave me something. And then 277 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: it became well, I don't care as much about how 278 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: you feel. I only want it for me. I'm only 279 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: in it for me. I'm in it to just do 280 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: this so I can get better, so i can be 281 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: the best and have it be self serving. I'm gonna 282 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: elevate myself. It was me, me, me, And then as 283 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: I've gotten just as it's changed, as that cube starts 284 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: to kind of like move, it's it's it's shown me 285 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: that you know. It really is about again that that 286 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: initial relationship of what it is you can do for 287 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: someone because you because once again you don't know what 288 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: they're going through. You don't know, you don't know. Like this, 289 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: the introduction of ego came all the way back in 290 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: so for full circles where it's like, well, I'm back, 291 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: I'm exactly, I'm back exactly where I was before, where 292 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: it was like I thought I was. I thought I 293 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: was better than people or I didn't need to offer 294 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: their their perspective on things. I had the way that 295 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: I was doing things, and and it just it teaches 296 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: you over and over and over again to to humble 297 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: yourself and to find the foundation of how you feel 298 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: about yourself from within, not from not from anywhere else 299 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: or or or or that it was transactional, or that 300 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be in exchange. It's really just at 301 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: least for me, and I don't have anything figured out, 302 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: but at least for me, for right now, it's supposed 303 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: to be about you know what what it is I 304 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: can I can be doing to help and kind of 305 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: removing the eye in all of it. 306 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: Wow, do you know you just said so much in 307 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: such a short way. 308 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 3: This sum everything up? And I have so many questions 309 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: for you. 310 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 2: I don't even know if you have enough time, but no, 311 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: I followed everything first. I want to know how did 312 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: you learn and when did you learn that when someone 313 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: tells you you can't do something, that you're going to 314 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: prove them wrong. Like how did you learn about that 315 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: lighting the fire under your ass to get you motivated 316 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: to prove someone? 317 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, you don't think I can do this, let 318 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: me show you. 319 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: And also how did was that before the accident? Did 320 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: you always have this growing like instinctively in you. 321 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. And also yeah, we'll start there. 322 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: Sure. I mean I feel like I've been underestimated for 323 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: my whole you know, probably my whole life. And and 324 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: and I don't And I used to have a lot 325 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: of anger about that, you know, I used to have 326 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: a lot of like, you know, like I'm out there 327 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: to just go prove it to them. And yeah, I 328 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: feel like that doesn't I feel like that's a little 329 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: I feel like that's fruitless because you're you're, you're, you're 330 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: it's entirely up to them. And and and then you're 331 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: gonna you're just gonna find yourself running running your running 332 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: your drive, running all the tread off your tires because 333 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: you're just trying to be like, well, I'll follow you 334 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: think this thing, Well I'll show you. Well you think 335 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: this thing, I'll show you. And it's it just uh 336 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: it it's not as fulfilling as maybe addressing what where 337 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: that comes from for you? Are you enough? Are you 338 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: enough for yourself? Right? 339 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? 340 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: And so from a very early age, I feel like 341 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: I was I was maybe underestimated or or or seen 342 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: as as as as less than and I would never 343 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: treat I never wanted to ever feel like I but 344 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: I would never treat somebody like that. I've had periods 345 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: of time where it was like it was like that, 346 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: or it was or as subconscious or subvertin But to 347 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: actively say to somebody that I don't believe in them, 348 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: or I don't think they can't do something, or to 349 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: treat them differently because of maybe how they look or 350 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: how they sound or what they where they came from. 351 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: Like we're all guilty of that, but I try to 352 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: be that much more conscientious because I because I came 353 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: from it, I experienced it all the time. 354 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, you're calm is so incredibly self aware. 355 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: How did you find the balance between using the stutters 356 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: as material but not letting it completely define you as 357 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: a comedian overall? You've had a lot of hurdles to 358 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: climb to get to this point. 359 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, my relationship to stuttering has uh is 360 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: it's really beautiful, And it's beautiful in a way that 361 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: I mean beautiful to me. It might not be to 362 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: anybody else, but to me it's beautiful because you know, 363 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: it does challenge your relationship with control, and I've always 364 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: struggled with control and stuttering is basically something that says, like, 365 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, I can happen whenever it's not up to you. 366 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: It might not be up to you. I sound good today, 367 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: I sound great, and I sound great for you and 368 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: for this, for this interview. But you know, my wife 369 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: has seen me at times or friends have seen me 370 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: at times openers, some of my some of my colleagues 371 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: have seen me at times where it's like, it's just 372 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: not today. I don't know. For whatever reason, my nervous 373 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: system cannot I cannot hack my nervous system to be 374 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: able to dictate how something is going to happen. And 375 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: that relationship with with not just stuttering, but maybe on 376 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: a larger scale, maybe you know what what what energies 377 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: are in the world, or what is what is uh? 378 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: What is fate? What is God? What are what are? 379 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: Things like? These are? These are bigger themes that I 380 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: think actually are or are closely related to what what 381 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: it actually means to relinquish control and how in doing 382 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: that you you get the freedom of knowing you you 383 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: you have you have more fluency. Things are, things are 384 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 1: Things are that much easier so with with stuttering, and 385 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: as it relates to to to to to to my career, 386 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: I've I've found that going on stage making fun of 387 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: myself is always a great place to start. I like, 388 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 1: I like that if I can do that and you 389 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: can agree and we can get on board with making 390 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: fun of me, there's nothing there's nothing better than saying like, 391 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm human and I'm flawed, and here's why, and I'm 392 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: not after you, and I'm not after politics, and I'm 393 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: not after another person. Let's just like, let's just share 394 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: a common enemy and have it be silly, have it 395 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: be so much more buoyant, and it's just a nice 396 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: reminder over and over and over again that like, I'm 397 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: not just because I'm up here, does it mean doesn't 398 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: mean that I'm better. We'll be right. 399 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 4: Back with more of the Comedy Save Me Podcast. Welcome 400 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 4: back to the Comedy Save Me Podcast. 401 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: How important I ask almost everybody that does this show 402 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 2: this question, and I'm just curious. I think I might 403 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: know your answer based on this last answer. But how 404 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 2: important is it in life? Not just in your profession 405 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: or if you're an actor or a musician or a comedian, 406 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: but how important in life do you think it is 407 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 2: to be able to laugh at yourself. 408 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I mean, I think it's so important. 409 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I mean talk about I mean talk 410 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: about it like a person that you want to be around. 411 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: Is that way a person who doesn't. I use this 412 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: metaphor a lot because I did it. I did a 413 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: Ted talk a few years ago, and it took me 414 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: forever to try to figure out what the what what 415 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: the metaphor was, because I've been both people. And it's basically, 416 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, when you see somebody like try to walk 417 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: into a building and and they they it's it's a 418 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: it's a it's a push, but they pull right or 419 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: or vice versa. You know, they try to pull. They 420 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: they try to push, but it's a pull, and they 421 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: run into the door. There's two types of people that 422 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: you see in those moments. You'll see somebody who gets 423 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: angry and they get up the door and the door, right, Yeah, 424 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: the blame is somewhere else, right, and then there's like, 425 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: what's you know, wha how dumb? That was silly? Right? 426 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? 427 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: And so it's just even your reaction to seeing somebody 428 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: do that is almost like, you know, it tells a 429 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: lot about them based on how you how you it 430 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: tells a lot about you, and it tells a lot 431 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: about them based on how they react and how you're 432 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: reacting to them reacting. So even in business, even in business, 433 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: when you follow a business or you follow a person 434 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: who is who is just they they are who they are, 435 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: and they're being self aware about it. They they don't 436 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: acknowledge that they're that they're that they're better than I mean, 437 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: there's just this human component that I think is even 438 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: coming out in in in in in businesses and in 439 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: people like this is a very important thing because it's 440 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: just a reminder that nobody's nobody's nobody's different, nothing's different. 441 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 3: No, definitely, Wow, you've got this thing down. 442 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: Your analogy is really I mean, it's powerful stuff and 443 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: it's really important, and I love that anyone listening right 444 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 2: now is hearing it from you. Especially you've dealt with 445 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 2: a lot of online trolls I've read and and people 446 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 2: who don't really understand your story. How has that helped 447 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 2: to develop sort of this resilience from all that negativity, 448 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 2: and there's a lot of people struggling with that right now. 449 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the healthiest things that I've 450 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: I've done was try to distance myself from from from 451 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: so just social media in general. You know, it's like, yeah, 452 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: it's a big part of my job. It's a big 453 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: part of my business. But it's crazy, man, It's crazy 454 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: that you'll be just you'll be living your day and 455 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: live in your life and you look down at your 456 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: phone somebody says something and it changes your whole day. 457 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: It changes everything. And again it's like, you know it, 458 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: this is the same as you know, uh, flatterers and diceivers. 459 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: These are almost all in the same category. And and 460 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: it's like you don't want to invest too much stock 461 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: and either one someone who says over and over like 462 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: oh you're the best or this is great or whatever 463 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: like that's also not healthy. So you know, it's like 464 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: it's unfortunate because it's such a it's such a big 465 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: part of what I do. But I don't I don't 466 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: claim to know what anyone else is going through. And 467 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: maybe they maybe they need to do that in order 468 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: for them to feel a certain way. And and I 469 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: think I'm trying to get more and more accommodating of 470 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: the idea that there I just have to understand that 471 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: there are things that I don't understand. And maybe there's 472 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: something to that person's story that resonates in a different way. 473 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: Or maybe they maybe they stuttered ever since they were 474 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: a kid, and and and I had mine as an adult, 475 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: I actually had a childhood where I didn't stutter. And 476 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: so maybe they feel like, oh, well, there's nothing valid 477 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: about that. There's this is or maybe they're in pain 478 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: because of a parent loss or something like you have 479 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: no idea, So like compassion is everything, it's just sometimes 480 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: it's hard to meet that when you feel like there's 481 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: hostility or you're being attacked and it threatens your own ego. 482 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think that that's at least 483 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: the first that's the first step I've taken and trying 484 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: to distance myself from from from their version of who them, 485 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: getting to decide who I am. 486 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 2: Well, first, it's very kind of you to look at 487 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: it that that way, and not many people have time 488 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: or these days it seems to even pay attention to 489 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: how maybe the the person who's doing the attacking is 490 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 2: is also hurt. So that's very kind of you and 491 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: also very smart to stay off social media. I think 492 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: unless you have a business that you need to sell, 493 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: I think it's it's where we show the worst versions 494 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: of our self live there. And I came off a 495 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 2: long time ago as well for similar reasons. But what 496 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: I've switching gears to what is the most meaningful response 497 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: that you've gotten from a fan about maybe how your 498 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: comedy has has affected them in a positive way, whether 499 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: it's true online or in person, maybe like at a show. 500 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm. 501 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 2: Sure it's been a lot. 502 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: No, I just know, I just mean that's tough, just 503 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: because I mean it all, you know, it all, it 504 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: all matters, and you know, there's some people who like I. 505 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: There are some people who say, like, you know, I 506 00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, I turn you off. I try I try 507 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: on your stuff at night and like it. It helps 508 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: me fall asleep, or it helps it helps my you know, 509 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: my anxiety, or it helps me feel this this this, 510 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: uh this way. So I mean it's hard because it's 511 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: not even just about I think the things that are 512 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: the most meaningful to me are not even people who 513 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: say like, oh, it's your it's your it's your comedy 514 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: who gets me through it. Just I think when people 515 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: say to me in person, like hey, I just I 516 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: just appreciate who you are as a person, that feels 517 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: really nice. That feels really nice because you're just saying like, hey, 518 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm not just out here to just work on what 519 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: it is that I'm that I do for a job. 520 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: I'm here to work on me every day, and I 521 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: want to show up for me every day so other 522 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: people can get that that that that version that that 523 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: feels like I'm I'm committed to effort, you know. And 524 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: so when people say like, hey, like you know, you know, 525 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: I know your I know your I know your dad, 526 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: I know your dad just passed away. But I I 527 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate that you're here because you know, I lost 528 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: I lost I lost my I lost my son. You know, 529 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: I had I the weekend after my the weekend my 530 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: dad passed away. A few days I had, I had 531 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: a shows scheduled, and I was I was on the fence, 532 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: do I do them? Do I not? Do I do them? 533 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: Do I not? And I went and did them. And 534 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: then sure enough there was a guy at the show 535 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: that night, or one of the shows by himself, and 536 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: he had lost his son earlier earlier that that that 537 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: that that week, and he was deciding like do I 538 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: go do I not? And it just it was just 539 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: this reminder that, like, it's not necessarily about what I'm 540 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: doing on like this professional level. It's just these these 541 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: these these personal choices sometimes that you you never know, 542 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: you never know how that can impact somebody else. And 543 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: I was glad that I could be there for him, 544 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: and maybe I was glad that he made the choice 545 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: to validate what it was that I that that I chose. 546 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 3: So, yeah, advocacy is very important to you. 547 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 548 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 2: How is your comedy of aolved since America's got talent 549 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 2: and what can fans expect new and old when they 550 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: come to a show or when they turn on a show? 551 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of what I do now 552 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: is focused even more on making the comedy clean, making 553 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: it good, and making it right. I follow this a lot. 554 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: My producer and I talk about this all the time. 555 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: Is just like doing things good and doing things right, Okay, 556 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: And I think that when I'm when I'm on stage now, 557 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: I don't think anything has to look a certain way anymore. 558 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 1: I used to feel like, you go on stage and 559 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: it's rigid. You have to work on this joke and 560 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,239 Speaker 1: you got to get the best version of it for 561 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: because and I'm always I'm always wanting to work on 562 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: those things. But the idea that it has to look 563 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: or sound a certain way, or that a show needs 564 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: to start a certain way, I think. I think some 565 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: of the some of the shows I've had the most fun, 566 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: and this happens almost every single show, is where I 567 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: don't have any expectations of how it needs to go. 568 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: I don't have a game plan, and things just things 569 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,239 Speaker 1: just go kind of off the rails, and in the 570 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: best way. I mean, it's a it's a breathing thing 571 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: being in front of an audience, and I never want 572 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: anyone to feel like they are attacked or that their 573 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: beliefs are attacked. So once again, i'll i'll, i'll, I'll 574 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 1: make fun of me and I'll come at me and 575 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: then will end up feeling like, you know, will end 576 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: up feeling like we don't even know how we got 577 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 1: to where we got to by the end of it. 578 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: But it's all connected, and I think I think, I 579 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: think we're all connected. And if you feel like you 580 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: left the show being like, Wow, that only happened that 581 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: show and it would it can't ever happen again, then 582 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: I will have felt like I did my job. 583 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, when you do that, and you put 584 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: yourself out there like that, you give people that shoulder 585 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: drop moment like, oh. 586 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 3: Well, if he's doing it, it's okay for me, you know. 587 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: And that's such a special that's such a unique and 588 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 2: special thing that gosh, I don't think I've ever talked 589 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: to anyone who's who's gone through life quite the way 590 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 2: that you have. And you're still so young and so 591 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: much more ahead. I can't wait to see what else 592 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: you have him planned. 593 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: In your life. 594 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 2: And also I see so many parallels that I could 595 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: probably talk to you for another three hours, especially the 596 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: control thing, because I never made that connection until you 597 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: just said it, you know, being in control. 598 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 3: And then just now with the show. 599 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I've got notes all over my desk that 600 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: you can't see right now because of things that I 601 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: want to ask or if. 602 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 3: I didn't get to ask. And I used to. 603 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 2: Think that I had to have it perfect, and then 604 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: I realized I don't. 605 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 3: I can I can say, can you give me a 606 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: second so I can just find this. 607 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, here we go. This is what I wanted 608 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: to ask you, because it's not perfect. Absolutely that's okay. 609 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: I think that's totally okay. I mean, I think even 610 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: in interactions that we're having independent of a podcast in person, 611 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 2: sometimes we have this feel like we're not in a movie, 612 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: We're not in a scene, We're not like sometimes I 613 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 2: even have to stop a conversation while it's happening to 614 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: say like I need a second, I need a second, 615 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: or I uh, this isn't or this doesn't this, this 616 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: doesn't feel like this is serving me well, so I can't. 617 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: I can't, I can't participate. And there's something so I 618 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: don't like to say something is powerful about what I 619 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: am doing, but the action of someone doing something like 620 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 2: setting a boundary or saying this is, this is, this 621 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: is this is what feels right to me. And maybe 622 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: it doesn't look a certain way or sound a certain way, 623 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: it's a it's empowering, it feels like, it feels like 624 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: it's okay to have it. It's almost better that it 625 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: that it doesn't go exactly as it is. And I'm 626 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 2: I mean I used to have to. 627 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: Do like like like uh calls or or or therapy, 628 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: like with my zoom camera off, because I would be 629 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: so worried the whole time, like how does it you know? 630 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: The what? How does what's the how do I and 631 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: all the time, and it's like it's just it. It 632 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: robs you of I think actual uh connection and in 633 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: human like meaningful interaction. 634 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: I have a few more questions. I'm just trying to 635 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: see which one I want to get to first. Here, 636 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: you've become an advocate. We were speaking earlier about that, 637 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 2: whether it was intentional or not for people with speech 638 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: impediments and disabilities. How does that responsibility feel to you 639 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: now that you have it in terms of advocating for them? 640 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: So I work with an organization called say is this 641 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: the Studtering Association for the Young? And it's a huge 642 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: responsibility and it is so rewarding. There's nothing about it 643 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: that starts in a way that says like I'm here 644 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: for I'm here for me. You have to be fully 645 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: present with people who stutter and and kids, and here's 646 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: and here's both both of these things happening at the 647 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: same time. And the responsibility, I guess just came with 648 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: the with the territory. You know. I I initially just 649 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: wanted to just do stand up because it was it 650 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: made me feel better and it was completely about me, 651 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: and this is all I'm interested in. And and then 652 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: when you start to realize that there's more you could 653 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: be doing for for other people and and their and 654 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: their journeys with with stuttering. You know, it's uh, it 655 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: changes what you want, what you want to do, It 656 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: changes what you know? What do you want your life 657 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: to look like? You know what? Not not not? Who 658 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: is it you want to be? What is it? What 659 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: does it you want to do? You know? So I 660 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: think that's uh, I think that's that's kind of what 661 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: what what changes it a little bit and uh, definitely 662 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: definitely gives me some perspective on how much more involved 663 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: this is than I ever thought it would be. 664 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's heavy, it's I was dyslexic as a as 665 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: a child, so and I do voice work for a living, 666 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 2: so I read copy all day every day. Was it 667 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 2: was it was a main job for a while, but 668 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: now it's a side job. But still it was a 669 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: lot to overcome and just auditioning and so I definitely, 670 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 2: you know, overcoming an impediment. 671 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 3: Is is Uh. 672 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: I would imagine a lot more people have that than don't, 673 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 2: but they just never talk about it. Yeah, you can't 674 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 2: help but to talk about because it's part of what 675 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 2: you hear when you talk, so it's like you can't 676 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: hide it. 677 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think I think there's so much more 678 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: value in learning something about what you said, which is 679 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: like I would never know that you you you deal 680 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: with this, you know, and so is what I mean, like, 681 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, feeling like you feeling like I'm composed and 682 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: I have it together and im and I'm you know, 683 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: and like and there's all these you know, beautiful things. 684 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: It's not fair to assume that just because this is 685 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: how it looks or whatever, that that there's not more 686 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: to it. And that is something that I'm guilty of 687 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: all the time. It's just being like, oh, it must 688 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: be it must be this because this is what I 689 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: see or this is what I know, or that was 690 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: my interaction with that person. 691 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 2: What advice would you give to someone who's dealing with 692 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 2: a life changing setback and wondering if they can still 693 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 2: pursue their dreams? 694 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: True, I don't have anything figured out, and I think 695 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: that that's that's always been the place that I start, 696 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: is like I don't, I don't, I don't know, I 697 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: but I just I want things. If you start with 698 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: things coming from a good place and a right place, 699 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: right like what's what's do good and do right it? 700 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: These things are usually the best place to start because 701 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: you you're you're you're cleansing yourself of of of your 702 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: own sort of you're getting out of your own way. 703 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: You know, if you submit, if you surrender, like as 704 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: we talk about our relationship to control, like, yes, be 705 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: intentional about what it is you want to do. If 706 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: you want to make a a if you want to 707 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: make a pros and cons list for a big life decision. 708 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: I think that's good. Like, definitely do your your due diligence, 709 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: like you know, measure twice, cut once, but try to 710 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: look at it as as as a way of saying, like, 711 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: you know, what can I what what can I do 712 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 1: to get out of my own way? And what what's 713 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: going to be the best version of of of of 714 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: of me that's going to show up. And don't don't 715 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: don't put so much stock in how other people are 716 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: or are saying you can't do something or trying to 717 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: evaluate you, or maybe like if you want to use 718 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: that to initially motivate yourself, sure, but that's not sustainable. 719 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: You're not going to subsist on uh on on just 720 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: constantly being like well, I'm going to prove that person 721 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: wrong or have to do this. You have to. You 722 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: have to every single day stick with yourself and say, 723 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: all right, what you know, what is it that I 724 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: can offer? And how does that align with some of 725 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: the principles and some of these work ethics that I'm 726 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: trying to put in place for myself. And you'll be surprised. 727 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: The more good that you try to apply to this approach, 728 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: I think you'll start to fall more and more in 729 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: line with energy that propels you in that direction. 730 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: Something you said earlier in this conversation that really stuck 731 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 2: with me because I've lived it, so I know it's true, 732 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 2: and you said it, and you've gone through your stuff 733 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 2: and you know it's true. But you can always change 734 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 2: the direction of your life. You have the power, You 735 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 2: have the control, no one else. So it's the choice 736 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 2: that you make. I know that's things that outside of 737 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 2: your control, but you yourself, like you can always just 738 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 2: give yourself the permission to do it. 739 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 3: Would you agree? 740 00:36:51,080 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely? I have had to I guess, reinvent, or evolve 741 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: or or or or or or acclimate or whatever the 742 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: word is many many times, I mean, and a lot 743 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: of times that's that's professionally, but a lot of times 744 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: it's personally too. And these things are these things are 745 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: closely intertwined, and I always I used to like separate them. 746 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: I used to be like, you know, I I don't, 747 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't swear on stage, but 748 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: I do in real life or or vice versa. And 749 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: it's like, what am I doing? Like this is not 750 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: authentic at all. So seamlessness that goes in between these 751 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: two and the professional and the personal is very important. 752 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: And do you mean that I have to start swearing 753 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 2: like a truck driver now all the time when I 754 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 2: do these shows, because that's who I am when I'm 755 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 2: not on there. 756 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: It's so funny, that's so funny. Well, I don't know. 757 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, it really is like what's 758 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: what's what's authentic to you? I for a while, like 759 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: I used to think that I had to swear on 760 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: stage because there was a lot of other comics who 761 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: did it, and they're like, oh, this is oh okay, Well, 762 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: I like I respect those comics, so I'm going to 763 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: do that and and and all of a sudden, I 764 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: just started to realize that was actually really sensitive. To 765 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: the to to to hearing squear words and even me 766 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: saying them, I would feel my energy kind of like 767 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: weak in a little bit. Yeah, and that's what let 768 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: me know that that's that that that's not really who 769 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: I am or that's who I want to be. So 770 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 1: just paying attention I think, I don't know, paying attention 771 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: to what what what? What your body's response to energy? 772 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 1: And sometimes it's in a conversation, like if you leave 773 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: a conversation with someone and you're drained, like maybe you 774 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: need to evaluate how much you actually want to converse 775 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: with that person in the future, Or if you leave 776 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: a conversation with someone and you feel empowered, you're like, 777 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: what about that was so nice? Or if you feel 778 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: like I can be quiet with a person and I 779 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: don't have to force in anything like we we oftentimes 780 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: force or interject or or or assert a lot of 781 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: ourselves into something that that maybe doesn't need any of 782 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: that involvement, because our authentic selves is the one that's 783 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 1: actually underneath. That's that's not that's not having that block. 784 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 2: So Drew, can I call you because you're like, you're 785 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 2: better than any therapist I've ever had. 786 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: You're amazing, but I'm I'm no, I don't know. 787 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this last question, how would you 788 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 2: complete this sentence? 789 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 3: Comedy saved me. 790 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: By forcing me to deal with myself. 791 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 2: Beautiful Drew Lynch, you are such a peach, so wonderful 792 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 2: to me. 793 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 3: I don't know why I said peach. 794 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 2: I don't even know where that came from, but it 795 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 2: was just such a pleasure to meet you, to watch 796 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 2: your star rise and have this time with you, and 797 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 2: thank you for all of your wisdom because it's it's 798 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 2: extremely helpful and insightful, and I hope that someone listening 799 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 2: it maybe gave them that extra little push to go 800 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 2: do something in their life. Sure, well, thanks for having me, 801 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks for being on Comedy, Save Me and 802 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 2: come back. Oh where can people see you? 803 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: Yeah? My website is Drew Lynch dot com and then 804 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 1: at the Drew Lynch on all my social media and stuff. 805 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: That's where you can find me. But just search my name. 806 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: I guess I love it. 807 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 808 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 1: Thankscellent