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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Insiders podcast. That was Part one,

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Speaker 1: which I assume you've consumed before this, But if you

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Speaker 1: haven't got to Part one, which we did before this,

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Speaker 1: this is part two. Ian Rappaport here, Gudabatista there, Sarah

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Speaker 1: Waalsh joining us from London. We got a lot to

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Speaker 1: talk about, including the game that Sarah witnessed from the sideline.

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Speaker 2: Did a great job.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it was Jets Broncos. It was something.

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Speaker 1: It was a game. But that's not where I want

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Speaker 1: to start. You spent a lot of time with the

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I think we were when I was in

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Speaker 2: Tennessee last I believe you were also in Tennessee if

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Speaker 2: I remember correctly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't go to Tennessee without you. Ian Rappaport,

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Speaker 3: that's perfect.

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Speaker 4: So you know these guys.

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Speaker 1: Brian Callahan was fired just earlier today after a tough

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Speaker 1: tenure into a second season. Judy and I have weighed

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Speaker 1: in on part one. Sarah way in on part two.

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Speaker 1: Are you surprised and what did you think?

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Speaker 5: I am surprised only because if I think, if I

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Speaker 5: flash back to and I always feel like these NFL

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Speaker 5: seasons go by in the blink of an eye. But

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Speaker 5: if I flash back to training camp, which really wasn't

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Speaker 5: all that long ago, right, I mean, we're not halfway

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Speaker 5: through the season, and I remember standing on the sidelines

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Speaker 5: and I had a conversation with their president, Chad Brinker,

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Speaker 5: about how this organization has had so much turnover in

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Speaker 5: recent years from the coaching side, from the GM side,

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Speaker 5: and sort of where this organization was at at that

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Speaker 5: point because of all the turnover from a quarterback perspective,

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Speaker 5: this organization has turned over a year after year after year,

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Speaker 5: and so we had this conversation about how you can't

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Speaker 5: keep going down that path like that. You kind of

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Speaker 5: have to stop the bleeding when it comes to changing

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Speaker 5: things over, because without consistency, it's really almost impossible to

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Speaker 5: succeed right at any level in any profession, you need consistency.

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Speaker 5: And so he and I were standing there having that conversation,

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Speaker 5: and I think that he had no illusions.

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Speaker 3: About the fact that this was not going to be

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Speaker 3: an easy season.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he, you know, thought they were going

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Speaker 5: But I felt from the conversations we had that it

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Speaker 5: was it would have to be very unlikely for them

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Speaker 5: to be making a coaching change at this part of

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Speaker 5: the year. That was the impression I got from our

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Speaker 5: conversation that this organization was so desperate for to have

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Speaker 5: consistency that they hadn't had at all those key components

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Speaker 5: I talked about, the GM spot, the you know, Brinkers knew,

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Speaker 5: the head coach, the rest of the coaching staff, and

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Speaker 5: the quarterback that you just couldn't continue to go down

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Speaker 5: that And so you know, within the last couple hours today,

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Speaker 5: to hear that they've made that change, now, I say

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Speaker 5: that it's shocking because when I go back and think

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Speaker 5: how things were sort of laying out. I mean, you

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Speaker 5: can't ever be shocked in this business, right when when

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Speaker 5: you're not winning, winning is everything.

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Speaker 3: You know that changes can be made.

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Speaker 5: I'm just a little surprised that if if you would

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Speaker 5: have said, hey, Sarah, what do you think this is

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Speaker 5: going to be in you know, going into this week

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Speaker 5: of the season, coming off of standing on the side

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Speaker 5: think this would unfold this way?

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Speaker 3: I really didn't.

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Speaker 5: I really didn't, But I think the biggest thing is

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Speaker 5: is you know, then I go back and I actually

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Speaker 5: went and looked immediately at Brinker's statement because I'm like, not,

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Speaker 5: how did we get here?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: But this is just obviously not the outcome that anybody wants.

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Speaker 5: And he talked about in his statement like they're committed

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Speaker 5: to being patient and having a plan. But then he

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Speaker 5: also says, and I think this is the biggest caveat

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Speaker 5: of all of it is that there just wasn't sufficient growth.

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Speaker 3: You see this organized.

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Speaker 5: And I think that, like I think if they had lost,

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Speaker 5: but things look differently, there's different ways of losing, right,

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Speaker 5: I don't think we would have gotten.

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Speaker 2: Like don't you think the Saints? This is weird to say,

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Speaker 2: don't you think the Saints are losing in an okay way?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying like, I think there's an okay like.

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Speaker 2: You had this now, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I really think he would have been okay,

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Speaker 5: you just had to show from week to week. But

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Speaker 5: then when the players are sniping and then when when

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Speaker 5: I say sniping, you guys reference Jeffrey Simmons saying not

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Speaker 5: It just like, I like, to your point, you can

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Speaker 5: you can lose because you're not going.

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Speaker 3: To always win everything.

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Speaker 5: And I think we've seen multiple organizations, you know, Detroit

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Speaker 5: what they then ascend it to. And that was kind

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Speaker 5: of the conversation Brinker and I were having, is like,

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Speaker 5: you just can't keep doing it, But there was enough

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Speaker 5: that change. I am, but I am personally just shocked

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Speaker 5: it's truly the last thing they wanted. I mean, they

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Speaker 5: didn't you know, they didn't want that. And then when

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Speaker 5: you talk about the manner in which you're losing, like,

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Speaker 5: let's we can go to the Jets and and Aaron Glenn,

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Speaker 5: but I got to tell you and and I know

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Speaker 5: I know Judy, you know him well, and we've sort

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Speaker 5: of had this conversation because we're both in London last week.

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Speaker 5: I gotta tell you before we've talked about the game yesterday.

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Speaker 5: When you sit down with him and he's telling us like, hey,

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Speaker 5: here's the plan and here's what I think, and and

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Speaker 5: you talk to the players around him, I did not

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Speaker 5: get any sense of that of players like not believing.

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Speaker 3: I think this team fully believes.

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Speaker 5: I think you saw a Jets defense that came out

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Speaker 5: completely different than what we've seen in the rest of

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Speaker 3: The offense, that's another thing, and we can get to

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Speaker 5: But I I just I don't see Glenn wavering at all.

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Speaker 5: like when I talked to him, I'm like, I got it.

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Speaker 5: I believe, like I do believe that that's going to

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Speaker 5: turn around. And you talk about there's different ways to lose.

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Speaker 5: They had that game that was there for the taking,

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Speaker 5: and that's probably the most frustrating thing to the Jets

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Speaker 3: They're certainly not right like they are.

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Speaker 5: There are multiple games now that they could have won

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Speaker 5: find ways Judy to change that when it comes down

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Speaker 6: Well, the most maddening thing about the game yesterday is

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Speaker 6: the defense played the best it has all season and

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Speaker 6: the offense played by far the worst they have played

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Speaker 6: all season. I mean, justin Fields took a significant step back,

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Speaker 6: with him. He said, like, you can't bench a player

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Speaker 6: for one bad game. Okay, I would agree with that,

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Speaker 6: you probably can't, But I mean the offense was just

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Speaker 6: we saw him be this frustrated even when Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 6: when Zach Wilson was the quarterback, like Garrett Wilson is

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Speaker 6: going to lose his mind. I mean, he was so

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Speaker 6: which still makes no sense, in which Aaron Glenn said today,

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Speaker 6: given the evening to think about it, he would have

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Speaker 6: approached it differently. He would have tried to hail Mary

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Speaker 6: at the end of the half, you know, to sort

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Speaker 6: of concede at the end of the first half, like

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Speaker 6: it just made no sense. But I do think I

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Speaker 6: agree with you, Sarah in that I don't sense wavering

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Speaker 6: among the players that look when I spend time around

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Speaker 6: them during training camp, I mean, the players were all

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Speaker 6: in behind him. Now, at some point, you're going to

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Speaker 6: have to start winning games, and at some point the

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Speaker 6: players are going to look at justin fields and start

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Speaker 6: thinking like, if you can't play better. You know, the

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Speaker 6: players always know.

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Speaker 2: When we saw Tyrod and it was not greater in

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Speaker 6: Correct, that's part of the problem, and I'm true that

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Speaker 6: is part of Aaron Glenn's thinking is you don't bench

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Speaker 6: a player after one terrible game. He's had other games

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Speaker 6: that were not so great, but he did have promising performances.

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Speaker 6: But also, like, what are you going to right? I mean,

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Speaker 6: does Aaron Glenn really think that Tyrod Taylor is a

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Speaker 6: significant enough upgrade. It's a tough This is a rebuilding team.

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Speaker 6: It is a rebuilding season. I know they haven't wanted

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Speaker 6: to start winning some games, but I mean, you know,

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Speaker 6: let's keep our expectations in check.

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Speaker 1: Here and here's what I keep thinking of guys as

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Speaker 1: we get ready to get out here. Dan Campbell was

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Speaker 1: and they kind of looked a little bit like the

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Speaker 2: And they were so bad and I was like, not

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Speaker 2: was that a second year?

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Speaker 1: I was either first year or second year, and they

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Speaker 1: were so bad, and I kept thinking, like, are we

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Speaker 1: sure this is the right And then people in Detroit

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Speaker 1: were like, this is the right guy, we promise, And so.

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Speaker 4: I draw parallels to them.

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Speaker 1: And like, one thing I'm trying to figure out and

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Speaker 1: I assume it's the same thing the Jets people are

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out, is like which case is that?

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Speaker 2: Is this Dan Campbell or is this like the Titans.

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Speaker 1: And obviously that's something we are going to find out

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Speaker 1: over the next however many games. So Sarah, final thoughts,

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Speaker 1: one minute final thoughts.

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Speaker 3: I really need to see more offense next week in London.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm out here and score some touchdowns is London.

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Speaker 3: We got the Jags, we got the Rammed, even.

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Speaker 2: The Brons a good game, by the way, that's a good.

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Speaker 5: It's a good game. I need some touchdowns. Kurt Warner

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Speaker 5: needs some touchdowns. He was about to like rip his

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Speaker 5: hair out, like he just he needs some offense. He

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Speaker 5: needs some things to happen. Uh. You know, even the

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Speaker 5: Broncos defense is that good. So let's just again kudos

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Speaker 5: to that they are that good. While we're talking about

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Speaker 5: the Jets offense being bad, they are among the best

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Speaker 5: in the league, if not the best.

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Speaker 3: They're outstanding. They did their job.

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Speaker 5: The Broncos offense, I mean, the Jets held them in check.

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Speaker 5: Bonix had one touchdown. So so my overall to wrap

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Speaker 5: this up, guys, I'm camping out in London.

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Speaker 3: I love it here.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm ever coming home, but I

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Speaker 5: do need some offense next.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, great stuff as always, and enjoy

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Speaker 7: We'll be right back with more on the inside.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Insiders podcast version.

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Speaker 4: This is part two of part two.

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Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport here, Judae Batista, Mark Ross joining us once again.

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Speaker 5: Mark.

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Speaker 2: A lot of great action on the field yesterday, a

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Speaker 1: Learned a little bit about some teams. But that's not

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Speaker 1: from my understanding, what he means is players only film

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Speaker 1: by themselves.

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Speaker 2: Players have been skipping that. Now, Mike McDaniel, to the.

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Speaker 1: Head coach, talked to reporters today and said essentially that

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Speaker 1: two had chose the wrong forum for those conversations, kind

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Speaker 2: Mark, you've been in some buildings.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about a starting quarterback calling out

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Speaker 8: Van, that was not the right thing to do for two.

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Speaker 8: You know that's two has had a rough kind of

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Speaker 8: It seems like we're talking about him a lot and

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Speaker 6: That's good, it's gonna say, we don't know. First of all,

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Speaker 6: as a reporter, I will never tell a player to

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that'll be the interesting thing to know. But I

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Speaker 2: I was supposed to be that.

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Speaker 8: So if that is the case where maybe Tua hasn't

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Speaker 8: then the other players are looking at him. Hey, come on, man,

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Speaker 8: we're not following you, we're not leading you. You're you know,

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Speaker 8: you're you're not living up to the state or that

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Speaker 8: a lot of problems Miami, Mike McDaniels got his issues

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Speaker 9: It just doesn't seem as if anybody is being Yeah,

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Speaker 9: I expected I talked to this on Good Morning Football today.

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Speaker 9: It's it's interesting because there's a lot of different ways

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Speaker 9: to lead. I don't know that this is leadership, Like

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Speaker 9: not always. And I don't know if this is like

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Speaker 9: how one leads. It feels like it's not.

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Speaker 1: So two is sort of trying to be a leader

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Speaker 1: to me. But we're about to find out, because this

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Speaker 1: team is going to go play. They're going to either

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Speaker 1: And if the ANSWER's not, then it's going to be

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Speaker 1: But if the answers yes, Judy, then they're going to

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Speaker 6: I don't know. Coming out of yesterday and the way

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Speaker 6: they're not going to have any choice. Stephen Ross is

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Speaker 6: lot of changes in that building. It has not worked.

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Speaker 6: They've tried, they've loaded up with a lot of talent,

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Speaker 2: Or even really any winning teams, and they.

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Speaker 6: Seem to have reached a plateau and now they're coming

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry to say it's not working with Mike McDaniel

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Speaker 3: And I can't I can't.

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Speaker 6: Imagine how Steven Ross looks at this and you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so mark quickly from you before we get out

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Speaker 1: of here. The Dobblins are going to have to make

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 4: Is this the head coach for us?

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Speaker 1: What is the most important factor If you're a front

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Speaker 8: Just is it becoming just untenable that he's just such

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Speaker 8: every day. I mean, the players are just absolutely given

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Speaker 8: But you know, after that, it was like, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 8: we just got to remove the distraction before it gets

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Speaker 8: you know, nobody's just absolutely showing off and doing anything

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Speaker 1: All right, awesome stuff as always, Mark, Thank you Judy.

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Speaker 1: You had no choice but to be here just like

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Speaker 1: I did. But you did great anyway for Judy or Mark,

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Speaker 1: for Sarah Walsh, for Steve Weiss who briefly joined us

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