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Speaker 1: Hey, Bobby, nice to see you.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about your book. So when did you

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Speaker 1: provider who's going to help you through that process and

439
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: being able to make the decision that's right for you.

440
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Speaker 2: One of my friends is a singer named Laura and Lena,

441
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 2: and her and I were talking about her having a

442
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: baby and she said, then there's a clip of it,

443
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Speaker 2: but she said when her baby was coming out out

444
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: that it was wrapped up completely in the umbilical cord,

445
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: like around her leg, around the baby's neck. How common

446
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: is that where that happens. Oh, it's that common.

447
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of people who you know,

448
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: come in to the hospital with very traumatic stories of

449
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: like my baby last time had the cord wrapped around

450
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: its neck, and it's so so common. So I think

451
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: that there can be some trauma from hearing, like because

452
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: I think that people think that the baby's being strangled

453
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: or choked in some way, and it's not necessarily that

454
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Speaker 1: that's the danger. It's how so the umbilical cord is

455
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: like the baby's hose of life, right, So it's got

456
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: three vessels inside, and think of it like like a

457
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: scrunchy okay, so like it's nice and fluffy here. If

458
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: I pull it tight, then it there's less there's more

459
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: constriction on those blood vessels, so they can't they can't

460
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: get the blood, the oxygenated blood through and the deoxygenated

461
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: blood back. So it's more about how tightly wrapped that

462
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: that cord is. But thirty percent of babies have a

463
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: cord wrapped somewhere, and usually what will happen is like

464
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: baby's head comes out, and if we feel I say

465
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Speaker 1: we if the doctor or midwife feels that there's a

466
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Speaker 1: cord right there around the neck. What they'll do is

467
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: they'll just gently untangle and usually all is well. I'm

468
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 1: not saying that it can't be dangerous, right, So, if

469
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Speaker 1: they're tightly, tightly, tightly wrapped in there several times, or

470
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Speaker 1: if the cord is really short and they're like basically

471
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: bungee jumping from the from the placenta like, obviously that

472
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: could be not awesome. But most of the time, if

473
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Speaker 1: a baby has a cord wrapped somewhere, it's not a

474
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Speaker 1: huge deal. Can be, but not most of the time.

475
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Speaker 2: Have you been a part of one where it was

476
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: surprised twins?

477
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: No, but it did happen at my hospital one time.

478
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't in there, but it was somebody that came

479
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: in with no prenatal care and the first baby came

480
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: out and they said, uh oh there's another one.

481
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. Uh so what do you think? And

482
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 2: you may not have official records on this. Have you

483
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: had a that's the fastest delivery we've ever had?

484
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Speaker 1: Oh? Man?

485
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: I mean.

486
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean sometimes people come in and they're riding

487
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: on what one butt cheek coming up and then they

488
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: deliver like as soon as they get there.

489
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Speaker 2: It just comes out, just comes out.

490
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Speaker 1: I did have the fastest induction I ever had was

491
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: someone who had been Sometimes you get put on hold,

492
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Speaker 1: like if you're if you're scheduled for an induction in

493
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Speaker 1: the hospital doesn't have either the staff or the room,

494
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: they'll leave you at home for your induction. But there

495
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: was a girl that had something called a fully balloon

496
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Speaker 1: placed in the office to prepare her for her induction.

497
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Speaker 1: It kind of just gets you going, does.

498
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: It open I learned about this.

499
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it helps open it up. And usually when

500
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: you're like three to four ish centimeters, that fully balloon

501
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: will fall out and they tell you, all right, come

502
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: to the hospital if it falls out, because that means

503
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: that you're making change. Well, she came to the hospital

504
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 1: for her scheduled induction and it was still in but

505
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: she looked like she was not having a good time,

506
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: and she's like, get this thing out of me. I

507
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: was like, okay, so I go to pull it out,

508
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: and I pull it out. I was like, oh, my goodness,

509
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: you probably feel so much better, and she's like no,

510
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: and then the baby came out right after the fully balloon,

511
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: so it was just in there, not in place, and

512
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: then the baby came out right after that. I was like, oh, okay,

513
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: there's the baby.

514
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: So the balloon was kind of clogging the hole until

515
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: the baby. Yeah yeah, what about the opposite side. Have

516
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: you had any really long ones?

517
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Speaker 1: Oh?

518
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: Man?

519
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, the longest induction I ever had was five days.

520
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, five days and ended in a C section.

521
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

522
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that there's a lot of people who

523
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: think that OB's are just itching to get you a

524
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: sea section. In my experience, it can be the exact opposite,

525
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: and sometimes like we're not doing them when you might

526
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: expect someone to have a C section. So a lot

527
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Speaker 1: of the providers where I work will give you the

528
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: best chance at a vaginal delivery that you can have,

529
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: while you know there's other It just depends on the doctor, right,

530
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: So sometimes you'll have a doctor that goes straight for

531
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: that at the first sign of trouble, and then you

532
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: have other doctors who will give you the biggest chance

533
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: at a vaginal delivery. But yeah, that was a long one.

534
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: I felt for.

535
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Speaker 2: And you but you went home multiple times, right, like

536
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: you weren't there at the beginning and end.

537
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: Right, correct? Correct?

538
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're also to toothpicking your eyes open to stay

539
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: for five days. That would be crazy.

540
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

541
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Speaker 2: Okay, my one of my really good friends, Amy has

542
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 2: asked me to ask you three questions. So these are

543
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: from number one, how did you get the best personality

544
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: in the world?

545
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness, that's so sweet. I think that other

546
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: people have much cooler personalities than I. That's so kind.

547
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: I guess I have to attribute anything that I have

548
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: to my my parentals, but they.

549
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: Did a good job.

550
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: And then also er trauma. I think that going through

551
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: stuff kind of gives you a different kind of sense

552
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: of humor that other people might not understand. So I

553
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: think that going through stuff can also make you who

554
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: you are.

555
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: Number two, how excited were you to meet doctor Beach

556
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: jim ten on your book tour. I don't know who

557
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: that is.

558
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: It has that happened, hasn't happened yet. Okay, I'm so excited.

559
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: So she is a TikTok pediatrician. She's lovely and I

560
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: cannot wait to meet her. She's going to be like

561
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: hosting one of my book tour stops, so I'm very excited.

562
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: The third question is tell her I'm sorry to hear

563
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: about her grandmother. Loss is so hard in her story

564
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: about her hanging on for life for so many times

565
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: made her smile on the inside and then cry because

566
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: she doesn't know you, but she felt like she does.

567
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: Oh that is so sweet. Yeah, my grandmother she passed

568
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: away last year. But we called her a possum or

569
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: the possum Lady because this lady kept acting like she

570
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: was gonna die and then pulling through, not just pulling

571
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: through like Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna eat a Bojuckle's biscuit,

572
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, like she got kicked out of hospice. I

573
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: don't know how how often that happens, but like she

574
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: was in the hospice house or like, oh she's gonna

575
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: pass away tonight. She stayed there for months and they're like, okay,

576
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: you gotta go. So yeah, it was it was awesome

577
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: to have that extra time with her. But yeah, we

578
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: called her the possum Lady.

579
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Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

580
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

581
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: More kind of clinical technical questions. What's something you wish

582
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: that every first time mom knew before going into labor

583
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: or something fundamental.

584
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: I think that this is kind of like a group

585
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: of things. But I think that having understanding of different

586
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: intervention choices that you may be offered can help help

587
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: you inform your decisions going forward. There's so many people

588
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: who sign up for an induction who have no clue

589
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: what that means. Sometimes I'll get somebody who signed up

590
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: for an induction and they say this is going to

591
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: take like twenty minutes, and I'm like, oh lord, we

592
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: are in trouble. Uh oh, you have no idea what's

593
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: about to happen to you. So I think that having

594
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: some basic understanding of both inductions and then also interventions

595
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: that may be offered to you can help. If that

596
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: intervention gets offered, you kind of have some sort of

597
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: basic understanding of it. So it's kind of like a

598
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: group of things.

599
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: How long do you think it takes? And this is

600
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: all general, but until after someone has a baby, they

601
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: start to feel like themselves again.

602
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: So individual. But for me, at least for me, I

603
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: had pre acclamsia with my second one, so I look

604
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: like a sweaty Danny DeVito whenever I was having a baby.

605
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: So the moment that I was unpregnant and began peeing

606
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: out the fluid that had plagued me for so long,

607
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: I felt like Julia Roberts a pretty woman. Okay, I

608
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: felt amazing almost immediately, to the point where my husband's like, damn,

609
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: like all right, I felt incredible. I may not have

610
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: looked awesome, but man, I felt so good. But then

611
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: in another pregnancy, it took me several weeks to feel

612
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: like I could put pants on or and they were

613
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: still maternity pants. But I think and I also have

614
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: friends that take months to feel like themselves. And sometimes

615
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: you just adapt to the new normal of what it

616
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: means to be the new you. And it doesn't mean

617
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: that that's anything wrong or bad, but sometimes there is

618
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: some grief associated with learning who the new view is

619
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: and kind of grieving the old you, whether that's your

620
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: body or your lifestyle or the things that you enjoyed

621
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: before it. Sometimes it just changes and you've got new

622
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: things that you enjoy differently.

623
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Speaker 2: Do you ever see parents semi panicking when they have

624
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: to leave because now they have to take the baby home?

625
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, because you've got a new human

626
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: and we are now entrusting you to keep that human alive.

627
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: And there's so much about being a new parent that

628
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: you don't know you know, and having to figure that

629
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: out on your own is terrifying. I remember even when

630
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: I was I was an nurse and we're leaving the

631
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: hospital and I'm like, y'all trust me to do this

632
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: because I don't know anything about this, And yeah, I

633
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: think that in other countries there's a whole lot more

634
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: support postpartum to kind of make sure that you're getting

635
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: everything that you need. But in the US, we're like, here,

636
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: you go, take it home, it's yours.

637
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, rub some dirt on it, get back to work.

638
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I never really had a full understanding of

639
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: I think what a woman after she has birth should

640
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: fairly get as far as being able to stay off

641
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: work and be paid, like we have a law that

642
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: you can't be fired, but you're not getting paid, and

643
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: if you have to work hourly, like you're screwed. And

644
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: also support, like I never as a dude again, just

645
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: had my first kid. But I never really thought maternity

646
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: to leave was something I know, something I never really

647
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: thought of something you needed. No, you really need good

648
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: support there with you to help you for weeks. And

649
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: you're right. We are so far behind as a country

650
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: when it comes to covering our citizens maternity and paternity leave,

651
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: and I had no idea until we had a baby.

652
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a even I mean, like I am a

653
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: nurse and delivering at the hospital where I work. You know,

654
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: whenever I had my baby, because I had to go

655
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: out early because I had preclamsia, I burned through, you know,

656
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: a few weeks of maternity leave and ended up having

657
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: to go back at like four and a half five

658
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: weeks postpartum, just because I needed to work to afford insurance.

659
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: So I I mean, and this is I'm a nurse

660
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: at the hospital where I have my baby. You know,

661
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: it's so crazy that I needed to do that in

662
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: this country where you think that we have amazing you know,

663
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: care and I think we have amazing care providers. We

664
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: have amazing people that want to give the care, but

665
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: the system is just so broken that you know, I

666
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: have patients that say, I need to be discharged tomorrow

667
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: because I have to go to work tomorrow. Like it's

668
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: wild that, you know, some people can't even take a

669
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: day off of work without feeling like they need to

670
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: get back in order to make money.

671
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole conversation of Man, we sure do

672
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: buy a lot of bombs, but we can't take care

673
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: of our health our people with health care.

674
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: Right right.

675
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: That's a second podcast that we'd probably do. And so

676
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: a couple of judgment things. I'd like for you to

677
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: judge me. On one, I chose, I chose not to

678
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: cut the cord because Okay.

679
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: There's a judgment gainst judgment already coming through. Good, Okay,

680
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: continue to give me the reasoning.

681
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: So they asked, would you like to cut the cord,

682
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: to which I responded, is there any literal benefit to

683
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: me cutting this cord? They said no, I said, I

684
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: choose not to feel metal going through human flesh. So

685
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: I will not cut the cord if you tell me

686
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: there is a something about this. For example, I did

687
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: skin to skin because they told I learned why that

688
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: was important. I said, if there's something about cutting the cord,

689
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: that is a bond to my daughter and myself if

690
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: I'm in, But if it's literally just me taking metal

691
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: and going through human flesh, out, So I did not

692
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: cut the cord. I will now accept your judgment.

693
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: Okay, do you regret it? Do you wish that you did?

694
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: No? I don't want to cut through humans. I don't

695
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: want to cut through skin. I don't know the Bennett

696
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: what's the.

697
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: Skin though, it's just.

698
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 2: Like it's mean passage.

699
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: It's me, you know, Okay, I can do that.

700
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: If they would have said you need to chew through

701
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: it so you can really feel the love, I would

702
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: have chewed through it before I would have cut it

703
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: with scissors, because at least chewing through it had been

704
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: something primal. And yeah, I totally passed. How many dads

705
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: pass on cutting the cord more than more than you

706
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: would think.

707
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: But I do often talk the bin to it sometimes

708
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: because I think that there's a lot of dads who

709
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: aren't expecting that question or like we're thinking about it

710
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: and then we're like, okay, you've tid to cut the cord,

711
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: are you ready? And then they're like whoa, whoa, that's

712
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: not my job. And then we you know, encourage. So

713
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: what I like to do is say, where's your phone.

714
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: We're documenting this moment, you know. So I love to

715
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: video that moment because it is sometimes funny because they're

716
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: like like making a face, but you know, it can

717
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: be a right of passage. We had a dad last

718
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: week or the week before that was like, well I

719
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: didn't cut it with the last one. I was like

720
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: new tradition, right, you can cut it with this one.

721
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: So but I'd say five percent of dads turn us down.

722
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: That's all. Yeah, Oh wow.

723
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: We're very persuasive.

724
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: What if I would have said I will choose through

725
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: the cord? Is that allowed?

726
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never seen that happen. I think you

727
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: would definitely get some looks. I mean, I don't think

728
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: I can stop you from doing that. I might have

729
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: my own thoughts about that, but I would keep them

730
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: to myself. I'm all about informed and empowered decision making.

731
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: So even if you decide to do something that I wouldn't,

732
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: I'd say you do you booth? That's what I'd say.

733
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: Man, that would be crazy to watch someone chew through

734
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: a chord, like through the damn Billy. That would be

735
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 2: I would get my phone out and want to record

736
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: that just for the sake.

737
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's take a quick pause for a message from

738
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: our sponsor, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

739
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Speaker 2: What are the rules on phones in the room? Because

740
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: I did get in our delivery the baby landing on

741
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: my wife's chest, but I didn't know the rules, so

742
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: I was just kind of wasn't hiding it, But I

743
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: knew there were places I didn't need to be. Are

744
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: there rules?

745
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: There are rules. I will say this. I will say

746
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: no one can make you do anything you don't want

747
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: to do for me personally, So the rules around recording

748
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: a birth are all about liability for the hospital and

749
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: everyone involved. For me if I see and I might

750
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: get in trouble for saying this, but like if I

751
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 1: see someone recording during a birth, I keep my mouth shut,

752
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: like I don't I don't personally care, And what I'll

753
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: tell them is like, hey, I'm not gonna say anything.

754
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: You might have other people that do. Now it does

755
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: get a little tricky for me because I very much

756
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: like to not be known where I work or like

757
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, because that can put me in a dangerous

758
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: safety situation. So I I'm starting to think more about like, hey,

759
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: if somebody puts you on the internet like you were

760
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: in your outfit and your badge, like that can be

761
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: a thing. But I try to hold myself to the

762
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: standard where it doesn't matter if I'm being recorded or not.

763
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to act the exact same. I'm intervene in

764
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: the way that I need to intervene. If something goes sideways,

765
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: and I feel like sometimes if you have a situation

766
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: where those going sideways and the people in the room

767
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: who are working at the hospital are more concerned about

768
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: whether you're recording or not instead of doing what needs

769
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: to happen for the patient, that can look a little

770
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: yucky too. So I personally don't care, but a lot

771
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: of people do.

772
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: Something I've had to learn about recently a safe sleep.

773
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: I just thought, if you got a baby and it

774
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: goes asleep, if you want to go to sleep with

775
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: it, it makes sense. I can't because if I fall over

776
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: the baby, I don't sleep at all. If I have

777
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 2: the baby, it doesn't matter, I don't sleep at all.

778
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: What are the rules of safe sleep?

779
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: So there, I mean, the main thing is not having

780
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: the baby in the bed with you. There's all sorts

781
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: of like different rules that you know, people sometimes do

782
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: do try to sleep with their babies still, and so

783
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: there are rules around that also. But I'll tell you

784
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: that people who would never expect to have to have

785
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: like a tragic thing happen. It happens. And so me

786
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: as labor and delivery nurse who also goes down to

787
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: the emergency department when we have infants pass away. I

788
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: go down there and help them kind of make shadow

789
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: boxes or handprints and footprints of infants that you know

790
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: they've they've been born. They go home, they're with their parents,

791
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: and then something tragic happens. They come back in and

792
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: the baby has passed away for whatever reason. I will

793
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: tell you that most of those are co sleeping accidents.

794
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: Wow and yeah, and it's it's parents that never thought,

795
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: never thought that it would happen. So, and I'll say,

796
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: like before I was alber and delivery nurse, I co

797
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: slept with my kids because I was like, oh, they're

798
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: sleeping cool, and I like put them on my chest

799
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: and then have like pillows on either side of me

800
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: just so that I didn't turn over. I would never

801
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: if I had another baby, which I won't, but if

802
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: I did, I would never do it just because of

803
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: what I have experienced as a nurse in helping people

804
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: memorialize those babies. So it's absolutely tragic when it happens.

805
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: And I think that the biggest thing is making sure

806
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: that they're not in the bed with you, that they're

807
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: on their back and you don't have extra stuff around

808
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: them like pillows and blankets and stuff like that. Because

809
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: they can breathe in their own air and then lose

810
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: some oxygen that way.

811
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: Wow. A couple more questions for you before we go.

812
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: What do you think is the perfect hospital bag the way?

813
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what you can call that the birth bag?

814
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 2: What do we need?

815
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: That's a good question, and it depends on who you

816
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: are as a person. I talked about this in the book.

817
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: But it can be so individualized. And you can also

818
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: show up to the hospital titties in the wind, not

819
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: a stitch of clothes on you, and we got you.

820
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: We can take care of you. We've got diapers for

821
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: you and the baby, you know. Uh. But biggest thing chargers. Man.

822
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many people come in and say, uh, oh,

823
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: forgot my charger, and we don't keep chargers.

824
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: Uh.

825
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: But I'll say, if wearing your own clothes is important

826
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: to you, you can bring your own birth gown. You

827
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: can wear whatever you want. We have mama and baby diapers,

828
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: so you don't really have to worry about that if

829
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: you have. I really love it when people bring in

830
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: they make these like little fans with like like posable

831
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 1: legs that you can like wrap around the hospital bed

832
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: or kind of stand up. Those are cool that people

833
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: bring playlists. And also if you're making a playlist, do

834
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: not just do kumbay all music that you think will

835
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: relax you, because I can't tell you how many people

836
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: make a kumbay a playlist and they get so angry

837
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: at the playlist when it's not helping them get through.

838
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: I mean, we need like DMX, we need something like

839
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: something else, you know, some hype up music.

840
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: Make a few.

841
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: Playlists in case you don't like the one that you've made.

842
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: I did have a girl one time that played Twinkle

843
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: Tweak a Little Star for.

844
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: Twelve hours no way. Yes, yes, that's like baby shark

845
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: vibes over and over again, like you can't shake it.

846
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I was gonna go crazy, but I

847
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: held it together. We got through it. But that was

848
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: what That's what got her through. What else can I

849
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 1: tell you? Uh, we have scratchy towels, like smaller scratchy towels.

850
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 1: So if you want to bring your own towels, that's cool.

851
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: You don't have to your own pillow our pillows. Our

852
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: pillows are not gonna cut it. However, you can make

853
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: your environment in the hospital feel more like home, whether

854
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: that's pillows, blankets, fan since if you have like essential

855
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: oils or whatever you want to do, I think that

856
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: it's more about making your environment feel like home instead

857
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: of having to make sure you bring forty seven baby

858
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: outfits or all that kind of stuff, all that after

859
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: stuff you don't really need it. Also, don't don't bring

860
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: your stroller to labor and deliver. We're not going to stroll.

861
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: We're not going to stroll. You can bring it late,

862
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: you can bring it later, whenever you're whenever you're leaving

863
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: or whatever, but you don't need it. People sometimes bring

864
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: in like everything that they've brought for the first eighteen

865
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: years of this child's life into the hospital. We don't

866
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: need all that.

867
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: You're right about the blankets and the pillows. We luckily

868
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: took those and very much needed. The pillows were small

869
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: in the hospital. The blankets were kind of scratchy. But man,

870
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: it is so cold, and it's not my job to complain,

871
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: but I was freezing. I was trying to get a

872
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: little nap in. It's hard for me to get a

873
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: lit old nap in because it was so cold in

874
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 2: that room.

875
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, and it's always freezing.

876
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 2: And the couches kind of sucked for me to sleep on. Huh,

877
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: you know it, it's true, not made for the man

878
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: at all. Apparently.

879
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: No. There they make like dad bed blow up things.

880
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: Now have you seen that?

881
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: No, that's something you buy and take with you. Yeah,

882
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: oh I would recommend that.

883
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: Then.

884
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: Okay, here's my advice for the bag. Put in whatever

885
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: she's talking about, because you'll get there and they have

886
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: like this large pillow that flips down. That's kind of

887
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: the bed. But I'm pretty tall and it was Again,

888
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: it's no comparison, but it's pretty miserable for me, you know.

889
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 2: And so yeah, for the dead, take the little, take

890
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: the blow up.

891
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I Also there's a dad that one time figured

892
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: out that his gaming system would not hook up to

893
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: our TV. He went out to Best Buying's not a

894
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: fifty five inch screen TV, No way, no, yes, And

895
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: then Karma said guess what because when he opened it

896
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: up it was cracked. I said, ha ha, that's what

897
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: you get. Don't try to bring your fifty five inch

898
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: screen TV in there so you can play your freaking

899
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: whatever you play on there's wild because you won't be

900
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: there long ta yeah oh yeah, yeah, that stuff aggravates me,

901
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: but it does happen. Don't do that, Don't be that guy.

902
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: Congratulations on the book. What is it you want people

903
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: to take from this book?

904
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: So my goal is that this book helps you prepare

905
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: for your birth in a way that builds this cocoon

906
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: of safety around you, so that no matter what happens,

907
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: you still feel informed, empowered, respected, heard. I think that

908
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people plan their whole pregnancy for a

909
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: birth that's going to check off a birth plan, and

910
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: it's so much less about the checkboxes and more about

911
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: who you are as a person, what you need to

912
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: feel safe, what you need to feel heard and respected.

913
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: And so each of the chapters in this book in

914
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: the first half go over a different vibe that you

915
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: can think about for yourself so that you can personalize

916
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: your birth experience so that if everything checks off everything

917
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: on your birth plan, awesome, wonderful, we still have this

918
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: cocoon of safety that makes it even better. But then

919
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: also if your birth goes completely off the rails, that

920
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: you still can leave that experience having had a more

921
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: positive experience than if you didn't think about all those

922
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: other things.

923
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: You said, you swaddleed chickens, you have chickens in your house, I.

924
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: Have, well, yeah I have right now, they're outside, but

925
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: I have a I built, I built, someone built for

926
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: me a very fancy chicken coop out there. But up

927
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: until very recently, I had two chickens at my house.

928
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: I've had them in my house for years, and then

929
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: we built this very fancy lady coop. I wanted to

930
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: see if they liked it. And they've been having a

931
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: great time out there. But they wore diapers. Did you

932
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: know that chickens had no idea? Yes, I would give

933
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: them baths, but they were like special needs chickens, so

934
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: they got brought in for special needs reasons.

935
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: And so you domesticated special needs chickens.

936
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would have people reaching out to because

937
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: I know that I would do that. And I had

938
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: somebody give me a blind chick who is being picked on,

939
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: and I loved on her up until she died, and

940
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: I had her. I called it her sister. Her sister

941
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: was her seeing eyecat, you know, because they would just

942
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: act like cats in my house. They just walk around

943
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: and so her sister Grits would show her where the

944
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: food is and they were just like at the hip

945
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: all day long, just walking around. So yeah, I'd taken

946
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: ones that have been maybe abused by their fellow Chicken

947
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: family members, and then I bring them inside and they

948
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: live a life of luxury.

949
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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Jen, thank you so much for the time.

950
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: Congratulations on your book.

951
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

952
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 2: I can't wait for you to meet. Hold On, hold

953
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: on we find the name doctor Nope, yeah, doctor beat

954
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 2: Jim Ten, I'm really looking for it. Yes, me too, Jen,

955
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: thank you, congratulations, and hopefully we'll run into each other

956
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 2: sometime soon.

957
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Bobby, all right by Jen.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.