WEBVTT - Good Medicine with Dr. Drew

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<v Speaker 1>Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>This interview is brought to you by the Wellness Company

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<v Speaker 1>and today's show, we're going to have Doctor Drew, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Doctor Drew, the celebrity Doctor Drew, Board certified physician.

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<v Speaker 1>He is incredible. He's a host, he's an author, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a public speaker. He has treated tens of thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>patients in his forty years as a physician. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>get him on. So excited to have you on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I've watched you for many years now. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the number one question that you get asked

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<v Speaker 1>in the health space?

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<v Speaker 2>The number one question I got asked is one I

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<v Speaker 2>hate answering, which is what's the craziest call you ever heard?

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<v Speaker 2>On love line? And so that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually where it isn't even going to go there.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that, but I wanted to make sure we

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<v Speaker 2>put that one out there as we can avoid it.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of health. Usually people are more curious about addiction,

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<v Speaker 2>and they'll they'll, but I'm not sure there's one specific

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<v Speaker 2>question that always comes through, and maybe I'll think of

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<v Speaker 2>it as we go along here, but usually it's along

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<v Speaker 2>the lines of you know, is this a disease? How

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<v Speaker 2>do you get somebody to stop? Just sort of general

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<v Speaker 2>questions tend to come through. And what do I do

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<v Speaker 2>with my fill in the blank, but with my son,

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter or whatever? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure? Sure? And what because this part I'm sorry that

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<v Speaker 1>I missed. But where Why did you specialize an addiction?

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<v Speaker 2>I am? I mean there's a long story. Everything with

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<v Speaker 2>me is accident and serendipity and takes a minute to

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<v Speaker 2>describe what actually happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I always say, my life is a long story short.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, well yours is you? Yeah? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you're young enough that you can still tell and I've

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<v Speaker 2>got long stories to tell it. Ith I was, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in internis by training. I ended up being a chief

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<v Speaker 2>resident internal medicine, teaching internal medicine. But as I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing all that training, I ended up moonlighting in a

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<v Speaker 2>psychiatric hospital, and I very quickly moved into the position

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<v Speaker 2>of being there direct the chief of service for medicine,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got very skilled in the care medical care

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<v Speaker 2>of psychiatric patients. I was always interested in the brain

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<v Speaker 2>and interested in psychiatry, and I guess where all the

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<v Speaker 2>medical problems were a lot of the times, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>all of them, but certainly every night when I was

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<v Speaker 2>on call, there'd always be something on the drug unit.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I got there, I was very sort of

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<v Speaker 2>intrigued to discover that there was a physician in charge

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<v Speaker 2>of the program at the time. This is not nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five who had made a clinical discipline out of

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<v Speaker 2>drug withdrawal. And I was working at County hospitals at

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<v Speaker 2>that time seeing tons of alcoholics and heroin addicts, and

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<v Speaker 2>what we did to get them off the drugs was

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<v Speaker 2>very haphazard and random, frankly and wrong most of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I got very good at detoxing people, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I was getting lots of requests come down to

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<v Speaker 2>help with the detox and withdrawals and stuff. They're the

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<v Speaker 2>very medical when you get people off some of these drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got very good at that, and was being

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<v Speaker 2>asked to see lots of addicts and still didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>anything about the disease. And I was sort of of

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<v Speaker 2>arrogant about the fact that I was really helping these

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<v Speaker 2>people and what's this goofy twelve step stuff going on

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<v Speaker 2>in the rooms there. But I always liked the drug unit.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked the staff. I liked the culture, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just would I've spending a lot of time down there.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally I saw a few patients all the way

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<v Speaker 2>through their treatment and they went these are young, otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>healthy people that went from dying to amazing, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, what is that. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to understand what just happened here? Because usually in general medicine,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd go from really seriously ill to chronically ill. That's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the best you could do, and here was

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<v Speaker 2>really ill to better than you ever knew. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I got more and more and more involved in it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then over the course of years was asked to

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<v Speaker 2>be an assistant director. And then once I was an

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<v Speaker 2>assistant director of that program, the director quit, which is

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<v Speaker 2>something I didn't expect, and I moved in the position

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<v Speaker 2>of directorship. And at that time, this is now early

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety ninety one, to have an internist be in

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<v Speaker 2>that position was almost unheard of. So I clung to

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<v Speaker 2>it pretty hard because I thought, boy, I'm never going

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<v Speaker 2>to have an opportunity like this again, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>so fascinating. And then I really focused on my training

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<v Speaker 2>and expertise in that area. I'm still doing general medicine

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<v Speaker 2>all alongside. I was a bad, bad, bad workaholic. I

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<v Speaker 2>would get up in the five in the morning and

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<v Speaker 2>I would struggle to get home by ten at night

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<v Speaker 2>for years.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, look how many people you've helped, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Helped, And really, now what has happened is I've had

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<v Speaker 2>this extraordinary experience of the human experience with the human

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<v Speaker 2>experience that people are just not getting today. Nobody gets

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<v Speaker 2>medicine and psychiatry at the depth and breadth that I

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<v Speaker 2>had it, And now I just kind of want to

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<v Speaker 2>give that back. I wanted to share what I've learned

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<v Speaker 2>as a result of that, because it's not being No

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<v Speaker 2>one gets to see that anymore, and it's a shame,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a mess. It's not good necessarily right.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it comes to addiction, I feel like, so

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't personally dealt with addiction, but I had an

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<v Speaker 1>ex that had a sex addiction, and it was so

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<v Speaker 1>many times when I it was really hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to understand. And a lot of people would say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like an alcohol or drug addiction, But it

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<v Speaker 1>seems as if when I would speak to my ex

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<v Speaker 1>husband about this, you know, and trying to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>make sense of it, and you know, it's it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like alcoholism and drug addiction is a more accept like

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<v Speaker 1>people can understand that more as than sex addiction. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>so people can go okay, but I'm like, but I

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<v Speaker 1>always tried to defend my ex husband and still to

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<v Speaker 1>this day, I'm like, no, I still think it's an addiction.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's maybe not a people just.

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<v Speaker 2>Well let's talk about it. Let's I know, I know

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<v Speaker 2>what you're struggling with.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, there you go. And I'm one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that actually like do like think it is an addiction,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it's hard for people that.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's here's let's specify. It is not a ds M

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<v Speaker 2>four d s M five diagnostic category is a way

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<v Speaker 2>of conceptualizing a phenomenon that is becoming increasingly common and

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<v Speaker 2>affecting people's lives profoundly, and as such, conceptualized as such,

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<v Speaker 2>there are people who have used that construct to really

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<v Speaker 2>help the couples and the people struggling with this condition.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a it is a discipline, it's an approach.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure is he in recovery? Now? Is he? Is

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<v Speaker 2>he doing his thing?

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<v Speaker 1>He I believe he is, but again, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of separated from that while he's max husband. That

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he take it very seriously and get involved in

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<v Speaker 2>the treatment process, do you know?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he went to rehab, but the problem was

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<v Speaker 1>that there was lots of relapses afterwards, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>was like piecing out.

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<v Speaker 2>But that that was your experience with it, which which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is just my experience. But I have seen many people

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<v Speaker 1>not relapse, you know, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So and so you know, for the partner, he or

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<v Speaker 2>she has to decide what can I tolerate? What can

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<v Speaker 2>I hang in with? And that's all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>What do I need to know? Do I need a

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<v Speaker 2>disclosure and all this stuff? And then what am I

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<v Speaker 2>willing to tolerate if I do hang out? And you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be very clear about that, and if he

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<v Speaker 2>is unable to get over just like with the alcohol,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm addiction, right, same thing, Like you're not helping them

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<v Speaker 2>by sticking around. Many times, loss is the one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that they get them to the place where they're able

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<v Speaker 2>to actually do the work. And so you may have

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<v Speaker 2>helped him, That's what I'm wondering, if it really did

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<v Speaker 2>help him, might have.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know, and I hopefully he's on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of it now, you know, I don't Again,

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<v Speaker 1>we just try to coparents.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are meetings that there's various programs in this region.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's kind of get into a little further because

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<v Speaker 2>it is it's funny you bring it up, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that's been on my mind lately. Is becoming increasingly

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<v Speaker 2>important for people for many different reasons. Pornography has obviously

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<v Speaker 2>had a huge impact on sex addiction, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>we've come through a period where there's been so much

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<v Speaker 2>childhood trauma. There's been so much confusion about our sexuality

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<v Speaker 2>and about intimacy. There's been so many attachment problems because

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<v Speaker 2>again of the you know, put two parents out of

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<v Speaker 2>the home, and you know, so many so much failure

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<v Speaker 2>in marriage. There's so much that's going on in our

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<v Speaker 2>family systems that this kind of thing is what comes

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<v Speaker 2>from it. And there are people that are quite well

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<v Speaker 2>trained in helping to manage it, but oftentimes typically at

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<v Speaker 2>the core is a twelve step program, mostly because it

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<v Speaker 2>requires daily work and there aren't there's enough resources to

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<v Speaker 2>really do it with professionals the way it should be done,

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<v Speaker 2>and the twelve step works very very well in getting

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<v Speaker 2>people to the point where they're seeing the condition as

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<v Speaker 2>it is and finding a program of recovery, and the

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<v Speaker 2>twelve step program really yields some great results with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing to know about it is there's many,

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<v Speaker 2>many different programs. There's you know, women kind of come

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<v Speaker 2>to sex addiction through love addiction. Men come to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of love compulsions if they get there at all, through

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<v Speaker 2>sex and and then again, as I said, pornography is

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of all this. And gay men have

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<v Speaker 2>a different problem sometimes than straight men. So there's different programs.

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<v Speaker 2>There's A there's a there's s l A A, there's

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<v Speaker 2>l A and and people because this is such an

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<v Speaker 2>intimate and protein sort of thing, people kind of have

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<v Speaker 2>to find the version the manifestations that speaks speaks to

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<v Speaker 2>their particular syndrome, and it is a syndrome, not a diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's on the same line though, because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's addiction. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, it's the same.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just feel like one's more acceptable, not acceptable,

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<v Speaker 1>but one's more like oh then like the other one's like, uh, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Say that again. I know I can say, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>clear one's one's what's well, because that's I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, that's like how because one's like oh okay, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's you know, it's almost like not that it's ever

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<v Speaker 1>okay to be, but it's like it's okay that it's

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<v Speaker 1>more I guess acceptable.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess people have come to understand what chemicals can

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<v Speaker 2>do to people. They have not yet come to understand

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<v Speaker 2>what screens and other kinds of trauma can do to

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<v Speaker 2>their interpersonal lives. They don't, they don't know it. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't know it. They will because it's becoming so common.

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<v Speaker 2>And what makes me unhappy is very few people not

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<v Speaker 2>very few, but only a limited percentage get to recovery.

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<v Speaker 2>They just they just struggle along. They find individual therapists,

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of get a little bit better, and they

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<v Speaker 2>do the same thing over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not a great You hurt a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people in those cycles, both yourself and others, and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't you don't really intend to, but you do, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's awful being on your side of it too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really rough, the betrayal, the confusion.

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<v Speaker 1>It was tough. Yeah, but on the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>that now, which is good. Good on the internal medicine side.

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<v Speaker 1>How bad do you hate Google?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm we're getting a better We're getting to

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<v Speaker 2>a better place with the Google. Me and me and

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Google are getting to a better place. Okay, because I.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I texted my internal medicine dude, doctor, dude, doctor, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor com a dude doctor, and I'm like, I either

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<v Speaker 1>have MS or I have a brain tumor so like,

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<v Speaker 1>because I go on and I deep dive and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like and that's kind of my conclusion that I'm drawing myself.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like or I'm like, no, no, no, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no or like, here's my symptoms and here it matches

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<v Speaker 1>this and that, and he's like, you have to get

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<v Speaker 1>off Google. And I'm like I can't. Like, I just

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's hard. Uh. We many of my peers, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years ago started putting a sign in our office

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<v Speaker 2>that frame where patients could see it, that said, please

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<v Speaker 2>do not confuse your Google search with my medical training,

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<v Speaker 2>because they are not the same. And people have been

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<v Speaker 2>very confused about the difference between information and wisdom, knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>and understand that whatever you found on Google, I knew

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of second year medical school, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I trained for another ten years coming to understand what

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<v Speaker 2>it is in a as it manifest in a human being.

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<v Speaker 2>And to the point now where when you have years

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<v Speaker 2>and years of experience, you can walk in the room

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, you know immediately what's going on. You

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<v Speaker 2>just can practically smell it and you know it's not

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<v Speaker 2>going on oftentimes, And so what we do then once

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<v Speaker 2>we you know, sort of draw our clinical conclusions, then

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<v Speaker 2>we move through a careful workup to make sure we're right.

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<v Speaker 2>But your doctor would have a pretty easy time knowing

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between MS brain tumor and sleep disturbances or

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Else going on, you know, to be determined.

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<v Speaker 2>And an easy thing. You know, we'll rule out MS

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<v Speaker 2>very very quickly with an MRI if if it's important,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, every need to calm me down. But right,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are ways to tell that these are not

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<v Speaker 2>There's just differing qualities to these things as they manifest

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<v Speaker 2>in the human experience.

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<v Speaker 1>To stay in our best you know, for a body,

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<v Speaker 1>like what is the best not only wellness practice, but

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<v Speaker 1>also just like is there a set like what do

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<v Speaker 1>you take? What is the supplements that you take?

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to finish my relationship with doctor. Google

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<v Speaker 2>has improved now where I find patients Now when they

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<v Speaker 2>bring they used to bring in stacks of stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>go did you know?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like yeah, now they go. Now they tend to

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<v Speaker 2>take more of approach. Like I was searching around and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm being anxious and maybe I'm being dramatic, but

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<v Speaker 2>here's what I found. Here's what I'm thinking. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think? And that I appreciate because that's a well

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<v Speaker 2>informed patient now, you know, And that's something that I

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<v Speaker 2>can really work with. But back to health maintenance and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny I just finished a podcast with doctor Gabriel Lyons.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big fan of Peter A Tia, and we

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<v Speaker 2>are spending a lot of energy helping people understand the

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<v Speaker 2>importance of maintaining body muscle mass across the lifespan. That's

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<v Speaker 2>starting to work out with resistance training early and often

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<v Speaker 2>and maintaining it throughout your life is an exceedingly important

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<v Speaker 2>element in living well and living long, as well as

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<v Speaker 2>addressing some of our metabolic problems and our obesity problems.

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<v Speaker 2>She was saying. She was making the point that she

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<v Speaker 2>came to a conclusion one day that really the problem

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a body weight body fat problem, It was a

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<v Speaker 2>encyclopaennia problem, a lack of muscle mass, and that the

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<v Speaker 2>organ system of the skeletal muscle needed to be really

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<v Speaker 2>carefully addressed. And I believe that wholeheartedly. There are you

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<v Speaker 2>know for me, I follow you know, an exercise program

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<v Speaker 2>that is I used to lift very very heavyweights all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and I destroyed my shoulders doing that. I

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<v Speaker 2>happen to be one of the people that really liked

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<v Speaker 2>doing that. I did it every day for at least

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<v Speaker 2>thirty to forty minutes, just something I really enjoyed. It

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<v Speaker 2>was my study hall. But I I would listen to

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<v Speaker 2>podcasts and things like that, and I destroyed my shoulders

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<v Speaker 2>doing that. And for years, trainers were telling me to

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<v Speaker 2>train otherwise, but I was too stubborn, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>would go back to what I liked, which is what

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<v Speaker 2>people do tend to do. And I do recommend that

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<v Speaker 2>people who do the exercise they will like. The most

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<v Speaker 2>important thing is that you do something, but that excessive

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<v Speaker 2>cardio or even lots of cardio may not be the

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<v Speaker 2>well it isn't the best thing. It raises cortisol. It

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<v Speaker 2>actually can increase fat deposition. It certainly can decrease muscle mass.

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<v Speaker 2>And because we know that muscle mass is a really

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<v Speaker 2>important ingredient, resistance training has got to be a part

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<v Speaker 2>of everybody's program. And don't worry that you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>gain too much muscle. It just doesn't happen. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>to do some resistance training and picking up a weight

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<v Speaker 2>as an important part of that. It's not just body weight,

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<v Speaker 2>not just bands. I think actually having a weight that

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<v Speaker 2>you doesn't have to be a lot of weight, but

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do that. And so for me, I

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<v Speaker 2>get involved with somebody asked me to do a cameo

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<v Speaker 2>for the organization called v Shred, and I was looking

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<v Speaker 2>at their stuff and I thought, God, the way Vince

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<v Speaker 2>is training and training everybody, it's exactly what I should

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<v Speaker 2>be doing. So I started to following his videos and

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<v Speaker 2>they I've had huge success with it, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>do hit cardio with them. I do a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>cable training. I do higher reps and you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen reps no longer the six to eight reps that

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<v Speaker 2>used to do and I'm having really, really a good

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<v Speaker 2>time with it and a lot of success with it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's helped me with my weight management too. Interestingly.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. And then what about supplement wise.

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<v Speaker 2>Sublements I am, I am an advocate. There's two supplements

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<v Speaker 2>that are kind of all over the place. We do

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<v Speaker 2>live in sort of the goal so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I literally like the ones from my blood

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<v Speaker 1>work that I need. But then there's just like, there's armor,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a g one, there's I mean, there's just so

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<v Speaker 1>many things.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to make of armor right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at them. They seem to be a good product.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's something there. But there are two, and

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<v Speaker 2>I take a bunch. I take a bunch of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are two that I can recommend with absolute clarity.

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<v Speaker 2>One is nicotinamide ribicide, which is something called the highest

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<v Speaker 2>vert quality version. That's something called true niagen and that

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<v Speaker 2>is a you know you heard of NAD infusions. You've

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<v Speaker 2>ever had in any D infusion? No? Okay. As we age,

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<v Speaker 2>our NAD levels fall off. That is a natural part

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<v Speaker 2>of aging, and it affects the oxidative state, particularly of

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<v Speaker 2>our mitochondria and that is a core process in aging,

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<v Speaker 2>and we can enhance that orally with nicotinamide riboside. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I take true niogen every day about a thousand

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<v Speaker 2>milligrams true nagen. I've done that for ten years. And

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<v Speaker 2>whenever anybody says to me, you know, you know, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you're right. I'm sixty almost sixty six now, I always think,

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if it's that nigen. I wonder if that's

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<v Speaker 2>what did it, because that plus the resistance training, to

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<v Speaker 2>me is like those are two anti aging in inputs

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<v Speaker 2>or interventions anybody can do. Okay, so true nigen resistance training.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a new supplement called Fatty fifteen fat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I love that. My guy, my doctor dude, has

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<v Speaker 1>me on that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So that comes out of dolphin research and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a very fine couple. She's a veterinarian, he's an orthopedis.

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<v Speaker 2>They researched this. The Navy maintains a fleet of dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>She was the veterinarian for the dolphins. She noticed that

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<v Speaker 2>some of them got Alzheimer's. She did some research. She

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<v Speaker 2>found this is the short story, that they had a

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<v Speaker 2>deficiency in this compound and when they replaced the compound,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't get dementia, and so now they have some

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<v Speaker 2>human studies. This one seems like a real deal to me.

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<v Speaker 2>So and certainly no downside to either of these for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So fatty fifteen, true Niagen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like the Fatty fifteen I've I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>like that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to come out with. I'm I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>be pushing out a couple of my own sort of products,

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<v Speaker 2>and soon I'm gonna, I think for a less expensive

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<v Speaker 2>way to get something similar to what true nigen does

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<v Speaker 2>is going for glue to thione and asteal systeine kind

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<v Speaker 2>of combinations. You can do that. There is nicotine on

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<v Speaker 2>my mononucleotide, which I actually don't like as much as

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<v Speaker 2>n R. But that's another way these are. These things

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<v Speaker 2>are expensive if you really are doing But so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always trying to find ways to make it with your

0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.480
<v Speaker 2>bad people need to but people need to have accessible

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<v Speaker 2>ways to do this. So I'm also always looking for

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<v Speaker 2>cost effective ways to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've got I've got three kids, my oldest is

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<v Speaker 1>a and you know, I'm always looking into well, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, I don't like so social media. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to be on it obviously for work, but I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>much like, get off the technology, get off the phones.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want her to have social media. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>her friends have phones when you're eight, Like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>giving you a phone because I personally can attribute some

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<v Speaker 1>of my depression from when I was locked into Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and social media, and there's just so I mean, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm almost I'm a forty year old woman now and

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<v Speaker 1>I still can see the how the effects of how

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<v Speaker 1>social media can affect me, and I'm like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>giving that to a precious eight year old or nine, ten, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the big problem. I mean, everybody agrees, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's inescapable the measurable impact negative impact it has on

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<v Speaker 2>people's mental health, particularly young women. But the hard part

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<v Speaker 2>is getting not just your kids off social media, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're peers.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, because she's going to be the one friend

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't, and then what it cans.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't cripple her socially. But by the same token,

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<v Speaker 2>if you could just get some cooperation from the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the parents so at least emit, or not have

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<v Speaker 2>them in school or something where the community is together

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<v Speaker 2>on this, then you have an opportunity. A friend of

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<v Speaker 2>mine studies all this, that's all she does. She's a

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<v Speaker 2>very fine psychologist. She has a website called DCA Kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's called dot org, which is about Digital

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<v Speaker 2>Citizen Academy, about how to be a digital citizen in

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<v Speaker 2>an effective way as a young person. She limited her

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<v Speaker 2>kids to two hours a day and eventually, of course

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<v Speaker 2>they hated it when their grant, but eventually they ended

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<v Speaker 2>up thanking her for that. And of course you can

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<v Speaker 2>also put lots of sort of parameters. You can put

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<v Speaker 2>electronics sort of gatekeeping on the systems, but of course

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<v Speaker 2>you can't control what the other kids are showing to

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<v Speaker 2>your kids, which is where things get really out of control.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's the rise in the depression, anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>and kids today or do you think it's more food

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<v Speaker 1>life like lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's I mean all the above, right, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you can't underestimate the impact of screens. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we will look at screens one day the way

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<v Speaker 2>we look at tobacco now. Uh Number one. Number two,

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<v Speaker 2>our family systems are struggling, and we're not supporting family

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<v Speaker 2>systems the way we could. We have just been through

0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:14.359
<v Speaker 2>an insane experience for young people. When lockdown started, I

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<v Speaker 2>kept saying, we are sacrificing eight to fifteen year olds.

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<v Speaker 2>They are not going to recover from this. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a developmental window that you are closing for them, which

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<v Speaker 2>is when they need their peers the most, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>telling them, you're telling them if they have contact with

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<v Speaker 2>their source of nourishment, their peers, they're going to kill

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<v Speaker 2>their family. Oh great, in the meantime, hide under your bed,

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<v Speaker 2>shelter in place. That was a disgusting and predictable sacrificing

0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.639
<v Speaker 2>of millions of kids. And then the cognitive development of stuff,

0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:45.840
<v Speaker 2>particularly at risk kids or the kids that aren't you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of who are already financially stressed. Those are the ones,

0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:52.480
<v Speaker 2>of course get it the worst. So there's that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And there's food sources. Right, we don't eat good food.

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.159
<v Speaker 2>We don't we have yummy food. I just did an

0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 2>interview with guy named CALLI means I don't think I

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<v Speaker 2>had a book handy here. He wrote a book about

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<v Speaker 2>the food system. He's a former food lobbyist and his

0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.240
<v Speaker 2>sister was a head neck surgeon, and they both started

0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:14.040
<v Speaker 2>began to dedicate themselves to this problem of food because

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 2>he realized that, you know, the food companies that produced

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<v Speaker 2>some of the so much of the processed food are

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<v Speaker 2>actually the formerly the tobacco companies. The tobacco companies when

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<v Speaker 2>tobacco started getting sort of eviscerated, started buying up food companies,

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<v Speaker 2>and they brought the scientist, the lobbyist and the strategies

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<v Speaker 2>they used for tobacco now to food. And so the yummiest,

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<v Speaker 2>the most addictive, at least no attention to health are

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<v Speaker 2>the things that are going to be advocated to your kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that makes me sick, but yeah, yeah, and even.

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<v Speaker 2>Even who even real foods, even whole foods. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to be careful where they're sourced. You have to pay attention.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to have a label reader, you have to.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to pay attention. You have to grass fed beef,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to.

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<v Speaker 1>When my fiance moved from England to the States, he

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<v Speaker 1>was sick for months, like his stomach, I mean, he

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<v Speaker 1>was so sick, and I'm like, it's our food, like

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<v Speaker 1>I've been trying, like it's just it's just a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a problem. And we have even even paying attention,

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<v Speaker 2>it can be difficult to get food that is nutritious.

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<v Speaker 2>You ought to interview Andrew Gruhl, Chef Gruel. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>know him? He's in high school. Yeah, but Andre look

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney make notes. He would love to know. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>great advocate for this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I love that. All right, have two more questions. One,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been married to your wife, Susan since nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to go get married, So what is your

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<v Speaker 1>best piece of I'm married again? Sorry, what is your

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<v Speaker 1>best piece of wedding? Marriage? Advice? Marriage, it's comp.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not naive to the fact that vida is challenging.

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<v Speaker 2>Is difficult for people to maintain these relationships. It just is,

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<v Speaker 2>And of course the baggage of our past always comes

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<v Speaker 2>to bear. So my number one piece of advice is

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<v Speaker 2>if first, first of all, stay commitment is the part

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<v Speaker 2>that most people miss. You just you don't run for

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<v Speaker 2>the door. I mean, if you have to leave like you,

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<v Speaker 2>you were in a situation where you hung in, you hung.

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<v Speaker 1>In, you thought for seven years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was sick. He wasn't staying with the program.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, okay, that you did the best you could,

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<v Speaker 2>but you have to really not have the door open.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to have the door constantly closed. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>run for the door if there's trouble. And then two

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<v Speaker 2>access mental health services. Mental health services pay dividends, and

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<v Speaker 2>if there's interpersonal issues, get help. It really does. We've

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<v Speaker 2>had various therapists in our family system over the years

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<v Speaker 2>for various situations and it's always paid. Difficulties always, always, always,

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<v Speaker 2>and any different than if the kids got sick, had

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<v Speaker 2>medical problems, you would you would get help. Same thing

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<v Speaker 2>with mental health and interpersonal issues. It paid. It really

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<v Speaker 2>does help, and then you know, cultivate healthy practices. The

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<v Speaker 2>resentments I've just noticed recently, it's in something on my

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<v Speaker 2>mind that resentments are poison. We always used to say

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<v Speaker 2>that in the recovering community, that it's like taking a

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<v Speaker 2>poison and expecting it to hurt the other person. But

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<v Speaker 2>more than it's gotten worse than that. I mean, resentments

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<v Speaker 2>are flying around in this country everywhere, and people are

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<v Speaker 2>resentful of one another, resentful of one another's everything. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's out of control.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you're resentful, that just brews stress, which stress

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<v Speaker 1>breeds I think diseases in your body.

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<v Speaker 2>So for sure, for sure, one hundred percent. So the

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<v Speaker 2>flip side of that is cultivate gratitude, uh, and have

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of spiritual practice, whether it's whether it's helping

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<v Speaker 2>other people or finding purpose. Something you've got to. You

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<v Speaker 2>gotta you've got to. You know, your religion. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you have religion in your life, but that

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<v Speaker 2>used to serve that function. We need it as human beings. Envy, resentment,

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<v Speaker 2>these things are destroying us right now. And it happens

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<v Speaker 2>in It happens in interpersonal too. There's a study that

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<v Speaker 2>came with the reason that's been on my mind. It

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<v Speaker 2>came out and to study recently that women were measured

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<v Speaker 2>more resentful and we're actually preventing their husband from doing

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<v Speaker 2>things in their careers they wanted to do because they

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<v Speaker 2>resentful of the success. And I thought, wow, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>level of effecting the interpersonal experience that is new and

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't need to be there, shouldn't be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I agree with you. That was great advice. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're in the chief medical board of the wellness Company.

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<v Speaker 1>What is tell the listeners? What is the wellness company?

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<v Speaker 1>How does it different from different wellness brands?

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<v Speaker 2>Wellness Company is really a readiness company's We saw I

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<v Speaker 2>complained a few minutes ago about lockdowns. We saw what

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<v Speaker 2>the government can do to affect our lives and to

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<v Speaker 2>interfere with our ability to get medical care. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the other board members is a docor named Kelly Victory.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a friend of mine. She said, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about this five years ago, I'd go,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this is so smart this maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this is a little crazy. And she goes, now, it's

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<v Speaker 2>crazy if you don't do this, because we've seen what

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<v Speaker 2>they can do, and we have to get treatments in

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<v Speaker 2>the hands of patients so they can be ready to

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<v Speaker 2>use them should they need them, because it's ridiculous that

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<v Speaker 2>you have to go to urgent care, or that you

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 2>can't get into an appointment, or that you have to

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 2>spend a ton of money to get simple treatments that

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<v Speaker 2>are we have telehealth backup with all the products, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have manuals with them. It's things to be ready

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<v Speaker 2>to do. For instance, the travel kit. I was very

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<v Speaker 2>involved in manufacturing and putting that together, and it's all

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<v Speaker 2>things I give to my patients when they travel and

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<v Speaker 2>particularly overseas. But now We're at a point where you

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<v Speaker 2>should be ready in this country too, because urgent care

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<v Speaker 2>is are you're paying for all that infrastructure when you

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<v Speaker 2>walk into an urgent care and there's no reason for it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how to use these things, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>they are, you have back up, we should have access

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<v Speaker 2>to them. I've spent most of my career defending the

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<v Speaker 2>patient physician relationship, and I feel like it's been so

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<v Speaker 2>adulterated that we really have to know, focus on empowering

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<v Speaker 2>the patient, and that's what we're about at Wellness.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, Doctor Drew, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>coming on the show. I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got good to talk to you.

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