Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 1: This interview is brought to you by the Wellness Company
Speaker 1: and today's show, we're going to have Doctor Drew, like
Speaker 1: the Doctor Drew, the celebrity Doctor Drew, Board certified physician.
Speaker 1: He is incredible. He's a host, he's an author, he's
Speaker 1: a public speaker. He has treated tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: patients in his forty years as a physician. So let's
Speaker 1: get him on. So excited to have you on the show.
Speaker 1: I've watched you for many years now. First of all,
Speaker 1: what is the number one question that you get asked
Speaker 1: in the health space?
Speaker 2: The number one question I got asked is one I
Speaker 2: hate answering, which is what's the craziest call you ever heard?
Speaker 2: On love line? And so that's.
Speaker 1: Usually where it isn't even going to go there.
Speaker 2: I know that, but I wanted to make sure we
Speaker 2: put that one out there as we can avoid it.
Speaker 2: In terms of health. Usually people are more curious about addiction,
Speaker 2: and they'll they'll, but I'm not sure there's one specific
Speaker 2: question that always comes through, and maybe I'll think of
Speaker 2: it as we go along here, but usually it's along
Speaker 2: the lines of you know, is this a disease? How
Speaker 2: do you get somebody to stop? Just sort of general
Speaker 2: questions tend to come through. And what do I do
Speaker 2: with my fill in the blank, but with my son,
Speaker 2: my daughter or whatever? You know?
Speaker 1: Sure? Sure? And what because this part I'm sorry that
Speaker 1: I missed. But where Why did you specialize an addiction?
Speaker 2: I am? I mean there's a long story. Everything with
Speaker 2: me is accident and serendipity and takes a minute to
Speaker 2: describe what actually happened.
Speaker 1: I always say, my life is a long story short.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, well yours is you? Yeah? I mean,
Speaker 2: you're young enough that you can still tell and I've
Speaker 2: got long stories to tell it. Ith I was, I'm
Speaker 2: in internis by training. I ended up being a chief
Speaker 2: resident internal medicine, teaching internal medicine. But as I was
Speaker 2: doing all that training, I ended up moonlighting in a
Speaker 2: psychiatric hospital, and I very quickly moved into the position
Speaker 2: of being there direct the chief of service for medicine,
Speaker 2: and I got very skilled in the care medical care
Speaker 2: of psychiatric patients. I was always interested in the brain
Speaker 2: and interested in psychiatry, and I guess where all the
Speaker 2: medical problems were a lot of the times, I mean
Speaker 2: all of them, but certainly every night when I was
Speaker 2: on call, there'd always be something on the drug unit.
Speaker 2: And when I got there, I was very sort of
Speaker 2: intrigued to discover that there was a physician in charge
Speaker 2: of the program at the time. This is not nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty five who had made a clinical discipline out of
Speaker 2: drug withdrawal. And I was working at County hospitals at
Speaker 2: that time seeing tons of alcoholics and heroin addicts, and
Speaker 2: what we did to get them off the drugs was
Speaker 2: very haphazard and random, frankly and wrong most of the time.
Speaker 2: And so I got very good at detoxing people, and
Speaker 2: so I was getting lots of requests come down to
Speaker 2: help with the detox and withdrawals and stuff. They're the
Speaker 2: very medical when you get people off some of these drugs,
Speaker 2: and I got very good at that, and was being
Speaker 2: asked to see lots of addicts and still didn't know
Speaker 2: anything about the disease. And I was sort of of
Speaker 2: arrogant about the fact that I was really helping these
Speaker 2: people and what's this goofy twelve step stuff going on
Speaker 2: in the rooms there. But I always liked the drug unit.
Speaker 2: I liked the staff. I liked the culture, and I
Speaker 2: just would I've spending a lot of time down there.
Speaker 2: And finally I saw a few patients all the way
Speaker 2: through their treatment and they went these are young, otherwise
Speaker 2: healthy people that went from dying to amazing, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, what is that. I want
Speaker 2: to understand what just happened here? Because usually in general medicine,
Speaker 2: you'd go from really seriously ill to chronically ill. That's
Speaker 2: sort of the best you could do, and here was
Speaker 2: really ill to better than you ever knew. And so
Speaker 2: I got more and more and more involved in it,
Speaker 2: and then over the course of years was asked to
Speaker 2: be an assistant director. And then once I was an
Speaker 2: assistant director of that program, the director quit, which is
Speaker 2: something I didn't expect, and I moved in the position
Speaker 2: of directorship. And at that time, this is now early
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety ninety one, to have an internist be in
Speaker 2: that position was almost unheard of. So I clung to
Speaker 2: it pretty hard because I thought, boy, I'm never going
Speaker 2: to have an opportunity like this again, and this is
Speaker 2: so fascinating. And then I really focused on my training
Speaker 2: and expertise in that area. I'm still doing general medicine
Speaker 2: all alongside. I was a bad, bad, bad workaholic. I
Speaker 2: would get up in the five in the morning and
Speaker 2: I would struggle to get home by ten at night
Speaker 2: for years.
Speaker 1: But I mean, look how many people you've helped, you know.
Speaker 2: Helped, And really, now what has happened is I've had
Speaker 2: this extraordinary experience of the human experience with the human
Speaker 2: experience that people are just not getting today. Nobody gets
Speaker 2: medicine and psychiatry at the depth and breadth that I
Speaker 2: had it, And now I just kind of want to
Speaker 2: give that back. I wanted to share what I've learned
Speaker 2: as a result of that, because it's not being No
Speaker 2: one gets to see that anymore, and it's a shame,
Speaker 2: it's a mess. It's not good necessarily right.
Speaker 1: And when it comes to addiction, I feel like, so
Speaker 1: I haven't personally dealt with addiction, but I had an
Speaker 1: ex that had a sex addiction, and it was so
Speaker 1: many times when I it was really hard for me
Speaker 1: to understand. And a lot of people would say, well,
Speaker 1: it's just like an alcohol or drug addiction, But it
Speaker 1: seems as if when I would speak to my ex
Speaker 1: husband about this, you know, and trying to kind of
Speaker 1: make sense of it, and you know, it's it seems
Speaker 1: like alcoholism and drug addiction is a more accept like
Speaker 1: people can understand that more as than sex addiction. Right,
Speaker 1: so people can go okay, but I'm like, but I
Speaker 1: always tried to defend my ex husband and still to
Speaker 1: this day, I'm like, no, I still think it's an addiction.
Speaker 1: I think it's maybe not a people just.
Speaker 2: Well let's talk about it. Let's I know, I know
Speaker 2: what you're struggling with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, there you go. And I'm one of the
Speaker 1: ones that actually like do like think it is an addiction,
Speaker 1: but I think it's hard for people that.
Speaker 2: Here's here's let's specify. It is not a ds M
Speaker 2: four d s M five diagnostic category is a way
Speaker 2: of conceptualizing a phenomenon that is becoming increasingly common and
Speaker 2: affecting people's lives profoundly, and as such, conceptualized as such,
Speaker 2: there are people who have used that construct to really
Speaker 2: help the couples and the people struggling with this condition.
Speaker 2: It is a it is a discipline, it's an approach.
Speaker 2: I'm sure is he in recovery? Now? Is he? Is
Speaker 2: he doing his thing?
Speaker 1: He I believe he is, but again, you know, I
Speaker 1: kind of separated from that while he's max husband. That
Speaker 1: makes sense.
Speaker 2: Did he take it very seriously and get involved in
Speaker 2: the treatment process, do you know?
Speaker 1: I mean he went to rehab, but the problem was
Speaker 1: that there was lots of relapses afterwards, and then I
Speaker 1: was like piecing out.
Speaker 2: But that that was your experience with it, which which.
Speaker 1: Is just my experience. But I have seen many people
Speaker 1: not relapse, you know, right.
Speaker 2: So and so you know, for the partner, he or
Speaker 2: she has to decide what can I tolerate? What can
Speaker 2: I hang in with? And that's all over the place.
Speaker 2: What do I need to know? Do I need a
Speaker 2: disclosure and all this stuff? And then what am I
Speaker 2: willing to tolerate if I do hang out? And you
Speaker 2: have to be very clear about that, and if he
Speaker 2: is unable to get over just like with the alcohol,
Speaker 2: I'm addiction, right, same thing, Like you're not helping them
Speaker 2: by sticking around. Many times, loss is the one thing
Speaker 2: that they get them to the place where they're able
Speaker 2: to actually do the work. And so you may have
Speaker 2: helped him, That's what I'm wondering, if it really did
Speaker 2: help him, might have.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, and I hopefully he's on
Speaker 1: the other side of it now, you know, I don't Again,
Speaker 1: we just try to coparents.
Speaker 2: And there are meetings that there's various programs in this region.
Speaker 2: So let's kind of get into a little further because
Speaker 2: it is it's funny you bring it up, because it's
Speaker 2: something that's been on my mind lately. Is becoming increasingly
Speaker 2: important for people for many different reasons. Pornography has obviously
Speaker 2: had a huge impact on sex addiction, but I think
Speaker 2: we've come through a period where there's been so much
Speaker 2: childhood trauma. There's been so much confusion about our sexuality
Speaker 2: and about intimacy. There's been so many attachment problems because
Speaker 2: again of the you know, put two parents out of
Speaker 2: the home, and you know, so many so much failure
Speaker 2: in marriage. There's so much that's going on in our
Speaker 2: family systems that this kind of thing is what comes
Speaker 2: from it. And there are people that are quite well
Speaker 2: trained in helping to manage it, but oftentimes typically at
Speaker 2: the core is a twelve step program, mostly because it
Speaker 2: requires daily work and there aren't there's enough resources to
Speaker 2: really do it with professionals the way it should be done,
Speaker 2: and the twelve step works very very well in getting
Speaker 2: people to the point where they're seeing the condition as
Speaker 2: it is and finding a program of recovery, and the
Speaker 2: twelve step program really yields some great results with that.
Speaker 2: And the other thing to know about it is there's many,
Speaker 2: many different programs. There's you know, women kind of come
Speaker 2: to sex addiction through love addiction. Men come to sort
Speaker 2: of love compulsions if they get there at all, through
Speaker 2: sex and and then again, as I said, pornography is
Speaker 2: in the middle of all this. And gay men have
Speaker 2: a different problem sometimes than straight men. So there's different programs.
Speaker 2: There's A there's a there's s l A A, there's
Speaker 2: l A and and people because this is such an
Speaker 2: intimate and protein sort of thing, people kind of have
Speaker 2: to find the version the manifestations that speaks speaks to
Speaker 2: their particular syndrome, and it is a syndrome, not a diagnosis.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's on the same line though, because
Speaker 1: I feel.
Speaker 2: Like there's addiction. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, it's the same.
Speaker 1: But I just feel like one's more acceptable, not acceptable,
Speaker 1: but one's more like oh then like the other one's like, uh, well.
Speaker 2: Say that again. I know I can say, but it's
Speaker 2: clear one's one's what's well, because that's I.
Speaker 1: Mean, that's like how because one's like oh okay, like yeah,
Speaker 1: there's you know, it's almost like not that it's ever
Speaker 1: okay to be, but it's like it's okay that it's
Speaker 1: more I guess acceptable.
Speaker 2: I guess people have come to understand what chemicals can
Speaker 2: do to people. They have not yet come to understand
Speaker 2: what screens and other kinds of trauma can do to
Speaker 2: their interpersonal lives. They don't, they don't know it. They
Speaker 2: don't know it. They will because it's becoming so common.
Speaker 2: And what makes me unhappy is very few people not
Speaker 2: very few, but only a limited percentage get to recovery.
Speaker 2: They just they just struggle along. They find individual therapists,
Speaker 2: they kind of get a little bit better, and they
Speaker 2: do the same thing over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: And it's not a great You hurt a lot of
Speaker 2: people in those cycles, both yourself and others, and you
Speaker 2: don't you don't really intend to, but you do, and
Speaker 2: it's it's it's awful being on your side of it too.
Speaker 2: It's really rough, the betrayal, the confusion.
Speaker 1: It was tough. Yeah, but on the other side of
Speaker 1: that now, which is good. Good on the internal medicine side.
Speaker 1: How bad do you hate Google?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm we're getting a better We're getting to
Speaker 2: a better place with the Google. Me and me and
Speaker 2: doctor Google are getting to a better place. Okay, because I.
Speaker 1: Am I texted my internal medicine dude, doctor, dude, doctor, dude,
Speaker 1: doctor com a dude doctor, and I'm like, I either
Speaker 1: have MS or I have a brain tumor so like,
Speaker 1: because I go on and I deep dive and I'm
Speaker 1: like and that's kind of my conclusion that I'm drawing myself.
Speaker 1: And he's like or I'm like, no, no, no, there's
Speaker 1: no or like, here's my symptoms and here it matches
Speaker 1: this and that, and he's like, you have to get
Speaker 1: off Google. And I'm like I can't. Like, I just
Speaker 1: there's so much out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard. Uh. We many of my peers, maybe
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago started putting a sign in our office
Speaker 2: that frame where patients could see it, that said, please
Speaker 2: do not confuse your Google search with my medical training,
Speaker 2: because they are not the same. And people have been
Speaker 2: very confused about the difference between information and wisdom, knowledge
Speaker 2: and understand that whatever you found on Google, I knew
Speaker 2: at the end of second year medical school, and then
Speaker 2: I trained for another ten years coming to understand what
Speaker 2: it is in a as it manifest in a human being.
Speaker 2: And to the point now where when you have years
Speaker 2: and years of experience, you can walk in the room
Speaker 2: and you're like, you know immediately what's going on. You
Speaker 2: just can practically smell it and you know it's not
Speaker 2: going on oftentimes, And so what we do then once
Speaker 2: we you know, sort of draw our clinical conclusions, then
Speaker 2: we move through a careful workup to make sure we're right.
Speaker 2: But your doctor would have a pretty easy time knowing
Speaker 2: the difference between MS brain tumor and sleep disturbances or
Speaker 2: anxiety or whatever.
Speaker 1: Else going on, you know, to be determined.
Speaker 2: And an easy thing. You know, we'll rule out MS
Speaker 2: very very quickly with an MRI if if it's important,
Speaker 2: you know, every need to calm me down. But right,
Speaker 2: but there are ways to tell that these are not
Speaker 2: There's just differing qualities to these things as they manifest
Speaker 2: in the human experience.
Speaker 1: To stay in our best you know, for a body,
Speaker 1: like what is the best not only wellness practice, but
Speaker 1: also just like is there a set like what do
Speaker 1: you take? What is the supplements that you take?
Speaker 2: So I want to finish my relationship with doctor. Google
Speaker 2: has improved now where I find patients Now when they
Speaker 2: bring they used to bring in stacks of stuff and
Speaker 2: go did you know?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, now they go. Now they tend to
Speaker 2: take more of approach. Like I was searching around and
Speaker 2: maybe I'm being anxious and maybe I'm being dramatic, but
Speaker 2: here's what I found. Here's what I'm thinking. What do
Speaker 2: you think? And that I appreciate because that's a well
Speaker 2: informed patient now, you know, And that's something that I
Speaker 2: can really work with. But back to health maintenance and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's funny I just finished a podcast with doctor Gabriel Lyons.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Peter A Tia, and we
Speaker 2: are spending a lot of energy helping people understand the
Speaker 2: importance of maintaining body muscle mass across the lifespan. That's
Speaker 2: starting to work out with resistance training early and often
Speaker 2: and maintaining it throughout your life is an exceedingly important
Speaker 2: element in living well and living long, as well as
Speaker 2: addressing some of our metabolic problems and our obesity problems.
Speaker 2: She was saying. She was making the point that she
Speaker 2: came to a conclusion one day that really the problem
Speaker 2: wasn't a body weight body fat problem, It was a
Speaker 2: encyclopaennia problem, a lack of muscle mass, and that the
Speaker 2: organ system of the skeletal muscle needed to be really
Speaker 2: carefully addressed. And I believe that wholeheartedly. There are you
Speaker 2: know for me, I follow you know, an exercise program
Speaker 2: that is I used to lift very very heavyweights all
Speaker 2: the time, and I destroyed my shoulders doing that. I
Speaker 2: happen to be one of the people that really liked
Speaker 2: doing that. I did it every day for at least
Speaker 2: thirty to forty minutes, just something I really enjoyed. It
Speaker 2: was my study hall. But I I would listen to
Speaker 2: podcasts and things like that, and I destroyed my shoulders
Speaker 2: doing that. And for years, trainers were telling me to
Speaker 2: train otherwise, but I was too stubborn, and I just
Speaker 2: would go back to what I liked, which is what
Speaker 2: people do tend to do. And I do recommend that
Speaker 2: people who do the exercise they will like. The most
Speaker 2: important thing is that you do something, but that excessive
Speaker 2: cardio or even lots of cardio may not be the
Speaker 2: well it isn't the best thing. It raises cortisol. It
Speaker 2: actually can increase fat deposition. It certainly can decrease muscle mass.
Speaker 2: And because we know that muscle mass is a really
Speaker 2: important ingredient, resistance training has got to be a part
Speaker 2: of everybody's program. And don't worry that you're going to
Speaker 2: gain too much muscle. It just doesn't happen. You've got
Speaker 2: to do some resistance training and picking up a weight
Speaker 2: as an important part of that. It's not just body weight,
Speaker 2: not just bands. I think actually having a weight that
Speaker 2: you doesn't have to be a lot of weight, but
Speaker 2: you have to do that. And so for me, I
Speaker 2: get involved with somebody asked me to do a cameo
Speaker 2: for the organization called v Shred, and I was looking
Speaker 2: at their stuff and I thought, God, the way Vince
Speaker 2: is training and training everybody, it's exactly what I should
Speaker 2: be doing. So I started to following his videos and
Speaker 2: they I've had huge success with it, and so I
Speaker 2: do hit cardio with them. I do a lot of
Speaker 2: cable training. I do higher reps and you know, like
Speaker 2: fifteen reps no longer the six to eight reps that
Speaker 2: used to do and I'm having really, really a good
Speaker 2: time with it and a lot of success with it,
Speaker 2: and it's helped me with my weight management too. Interestingly.
Speaker 1: I love that. And then what about supplement wise.
Speaker 2: Sublements I am, I am an advocate. There's two supplements
Speaker 2: that are kind of all over the place. We do
Speaker 2: live in sort of the goal so much.
Speaker 1: I know, I literally like the ones from my blood
Speaker 1: work that I need. But then there's just like, there's armor,
Speaker 1: there's a g one, there's I mean, there's just so
Speaker 1: many things.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of armor right now.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at them. They seem to be a good product.
Speaker 2: I think there's something there. But there are two, and
Speaker 2: I take a bunch. I take a bunch of stuff,
Speaker 2: but there are two that I can recommend with absolute clarity.
Speaker 2: One is nicotinamide ribicide, which is something called the highest
Speaker 2: vert quality version. That's something called true niagen and that
Speaker 2: is a you know you heard of NAD infusions. You've
Speaker 2: ever had in any D infusion? No? Okay. As we age,
Speaker 2: our NAD levels fall off. That is a natural part
Speaker 2: of aging, and it affects the oxidative state, particularly of
Speaker 2: our mitochondria and that is a core process in aging,
Speaker 2: and we can enhance that orally with nicotinamide riboside. And
Speaker 2: so I take true niogen every day about a thousand
Speaker 2: milligrams true nagen. I've done that for ten years. And
Speaker 2: whenever anybody says to me, you know, you know, look,
Speaker 2: you're right. I'm sixty almost sixty six now, I always think,
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's that nigen. I wonder if that's
Speaker 2: what did it, because that plus the resistance training, to
Speaker 2: me is like those are two anti aging in inputs
Speaker 2: or interventions anybody can do. Okay, so true nigen resistance training.
Speaker 2: There's a new supplement called Fatty fifteen fat.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. My guy, my doctor dude, has
Speaker 1: me on that one.
Speaker 2: Okay. So that comes out of dolphin research and it's
Speaker 2: a very fine couple. She's a veterinarian, he's an orthopedis.
Speaker 2: They researched this. The Navy maintains a fleet of dolphins.
Speaker 2: She was the veterinarian for the dolphins. She noticed that
Speaker 2: some of them got Alzheimer's. She did some research. She
Speaker 2: found this is the short story, that they had a
Speaker 2: deficiency in this compound and when they replaced the compound,
Speaker 2: they didn't get dementia, and so now they have some
Speaker 2: human studies. This one seems like a real deal to me.
Speaker 2: So and certainly no downside to either of these for sure.
Speaker 2: So fatty fifteen, true Niagen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the Fatty fifteen I've I mean, I
Speaker 1: like that one.
Speaker 2: I'm going to come out with. I'm I'm going to
Speaker 2: be pushing out a couple of my own sort of products,
Speaker 2: and soon I'm gonna, I think for a less expensive
Speaker 2: way to get something similar to what true nigen does
Speaker 2: is going for glue to thione and asteal systeine kind
Speaker 2: of combinations. You can do that. There is nicotine on
Speaker 2: my mononucleotide, which I actually don't like as much as
Speaker 2: n R. But that's another way these are. These things
Speaker 2: are expensive if you really are doing But so I'm
Speaker 2: always trying to find ways to make it with your
Speaker 2: bad people need to but people need to have accessible
Speaker 2: ways to do this. So I'm also always looking for
Speaker 2: cost effective ways to do this.
Speaker 1: So I've got I've got three kids, my oldest is
Speaker 1: a and you know, I'm always looking into well, first
Speaker 1: of all, I don't like so social media. I have
Speaker 1: to be on it obviously for work, but I'm very
Speaker 1: much like, get off the technology, get off the phones.
Speaker 1: I don't want her to have social media. I mean,
Speaker 1: her friends have phones when you're eight, Like, I'm not
Speaker 1: giving you a phone because I personally can attribute some
Speaker 1: of my depression from when I was locked into Instagram
Speaker 1: and social media, and there's just so I mean, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm almost I'm a forty year old woman now and
Speaker 1: I still can see the how the effects of how
Speaker 1: social media can affect me, and I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 1: giving that to a precious eight year old or nine, ten, whatever.
Speaker 2: It is the big problem. I mean, everybody agrees, right,
Speaker 2: it's inescapable the measurable impact negative impact it has on
Speaker 2: people's mental health, particularly young women. But the hard part
Speaker 2: is getting not just your kids off social media, but
Speaker 2: they're peers.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because she's going to be the one friend
Speaker 1: that doesn't, and then what it cans.
Speaker 2: You can't cripple her socially. But by the same token,
Speaker 2: if you could just get some cooperation from the rest
Speaker 2: of the parents so at least emit, or not have
Speaker 2: them in school or something where the community is together
Speaker 2: on this, then you have an opportunity. A friend of
Speaker 2: mine studies all this, that's all she does. She's a
Speaker 2: very fine psychologist. She has a website called DCA Kids.
Speaker 2: I think it's called dot org, which is about Digital
Speaker 2: Citizen Academy, about how to be a digital citizen in
Speaker 2: an effective way as a young person. She limited her
Speaker 2: kids to two hours a day and eventually, of course
Speaker 2: they hated it when their grant, but eventually they ended
Speaker 2: up thanking her for that. And of course you can
Speaker 2: also put lots of sort of parameters. You can put
Speaker 2: electronics sort of gatekeeping on the systems, but of course
Speaker 2: you can't control what the other kids are showing to
Speaker 2: your kids, which is where things get really out of control.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's the rise in the depression, anxiety
Speaker 1: and kids today or do you think it's more food
Speaker 1: life like lifestyle.
Speaker 2: Well, it's I mean all the above, right, I think.
Speaker 2: I think you can't underestimate the impact of screens. I
Speaker 2: think we will look at screens one day the way
Speaker 2: we look at tobacco now. Uh Number one. Number two,
Speaker 2: our family systems are struggling, and we're not supporting family
Speaker 2: systems the way we could. We have just been through
Speaker 2: an insane experience for young people. When lockdown started, I
Speaker 2: kept saying, we are sacrificing eight to fifteen year olds.
Speaker 2: They are not going to recover from this. This is
Speaker 2: a developmental window that you are closing for them, which
Speaker 2: is when they need their peers the most, and you're
Speaker 2: telling them, you're telling them if they have contact with
Speaker 2: their source of nourishment, their peers, they're going to kill
Speaker 2: their family. Oh great, in the meantime, hide under your bed,
Speaker 2: shelter in place. That was a disgusting and predictable sacrificing
Speaker 2: of millions of kids. And then the cognitive development of stuff,
Speaker 2: particularly at risk kids or the kids that aren't you know,
Speaker 2: sort of who are already financially stressed. Those are the ones,
Speaker 2: of course get it the worst. So there's that, you know,
Speaker 2: And there's food sources. Right, we don't eat good food.
Speaker 2: We don't we have yummy food. I just did an
Speaker 2: interview with guy named CALLI means I don't think I
Speaker 2: had a book handy here. He wrote a book about
Speaker 2: the food system. He's a former food lobbyist and his
Speaker 2: sister was a head neck surgeon, and they both started
Speaker 2: began to dedicate themselves to this problem of food because
Speaker 2: he realized that, you know, the food companies that produced
Speaker 2: some of the so much of the processed food are
Speaker 2: actually the formerly the tobacco companies. The tobacco companies when
Speaker 2: tobacco started getting sort of eviscerated, started buying up food companies,
Speaker 2: and they brought the scientist, the lobbyist and the strategies
Speaker 2: they used for tobacco now to food. And so the yummiest,
Speaker 2: the most addictive, at least no attention to health are
Speaker 2: the things that are going to be advocated to your kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah that makes me sick, but yeah, yeah, and even.
Speaker 2: Even who even real foods, even whole foods. You have
Speaker 2: to be careful where they're sourced. You have to pay attention.
Speaker 2: You have to have a label reader, you have to.
Speaker 2: You have to pay attention. You have to grass fed beef,
Speaker 2: you have to.
Speaker 1: When my fiance moved from England to the States, he
Speaker 1: was sick for months, like his stomach, I mean, he
Speaker 1: was so sick, and I'm like, it's our food, like
Speaker 1: I've been trying, like it's just it's just a disgrace.
Speaker 2: It's a problem. And we have even even paying attention,
Speaker 2: it can be difficult to get food that is nutritious.
Speaker 2: You ought to interview Andrew Gruhl, Chef Gruel. Do you
Speaker 2: know him? He's in high school. Yeah, but Andre look
Speaker 2: Sydney make notes. He would love to know. He's a
Speaker 2: great advocate for this stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, I love that. All right, have two more questions. One,
Speaker 1: you've been married to your wife, Susan since nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 1: I'm about to go get married, So what is your
Speaker 1: best piece of I'm married again? Sorry, what is your
Speaker 1: best piece of wedding? Marriage? Advice? Marriage, it's comp.
Speaker 2: I'm not naive to the fact that vida is challenging.
Speaker 2: Is difficult for people to maintain these relationships. It just is,
Speaker 2: And of course the baggage of our past always comes
Speaker 2: to bear. So my number one piece of advice is
Speaker 2: if first, first of all, stay commitment is the part
Speaker 2: that most people miss. You just you don't run for
Speaker 2: the door. I mean, if you have to leave like you,
Speaker 2: you were in a situation where you hung in, you hung.
Speaker 1: In, you thought for seven years.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was sick. He wasn't staying with the program.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, that you did the best you could,
Speaker 2: but you have to really not have the door open.
Speaker 2: You have to have the door constantly closed. You don't
Speaker 2: run for the door if there's trouble. And then two
Speaker 2: access mental health services. Mental health services pay dividends, and
Speaker 2: if there's interpersonal issues, get help. It really does. We've
Speaker 2: had various therapists in our family system over the years
Speaker 2: for various situations and it's always paid. Difficulties always, always, always,
Speaker 2: and any different than if the kids got sick, had
Speaker 2: medical problems, you would you would get help. Same thing
Speaker 2: with mental health and interpersonal issues. It paid. It really
Speaker 2: does help, and then you know, cultivate healthy practices. The
Speaker 2: resentments I've just noticed recently, it's in something on my
Speaker 2: mind that resentments are poison. We always used to say
Speaker 2: that in the recovering community, that it's like taking a
Speaker 2: poison and expecting it to hurt the other person. But
Speaker 2: more than it's gotten worse than that. I mean, resentments
Speaker 2: are flying around in this country everywhere, and people are
Speaker 2: resentful of one another, resentful of one another's everything. It's
Speaker 2: just it's out of control.
Speaker 1: Like when you're resentful, that just brews stress, which stress
Speaker 1: breeds I think diseases in your body.
Speaker 2: So for sure, for sure, one hundred percent. So the
Speaker 2: flip side of that is cultivate gratitude, uh, and have
Speaker 2: some kind of spiritual practice, whether it's whether it's helping
Speaker 2: other people or finding purpose. Something you've got to. You
Speaker 2: gotta you've got to. You know, your religion. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you have religion in your life, but that
Speaker 2: used to serve that function. We need it as human beings. Envy, resentment,
Speaker 2: these things are destroying us right now. And it happens
Speaker 2: in It happens in interpersonal too. There's a study that
Speaker 2: came with the reason that's been on my mind. It
Speaker 2: came out and to study recently that women were measured
Speaker 2: more resentful and we're actually preventing their husband from doing
Speaker 2: things in their careers they wanted to do because they
Speaker 2: resentful of the success. And I thought, wow, that's a
Speaker 2: level of effecting the interpersonal experience that is new and
Speaker 2: it doesn't need to be there, shouldn't be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you. That was great advice. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're in the chief medical board of the wellness Company.
Speaker 1: What is tell the listeners? What is the wellness company?
Speaker 1: How does it different from different wellness brands?
Speaker 2: Wellness Company is really a readiness company's We saw I
Speaker 2: complained a few minutes ago about lockdowns. We saw what
Speaker 2: the government can do to affect our lives and to
Speaker 2: interfere with our ability to get medical care. One of
Speaker 2: the other board members is a docor named Kelly Victory.
Speaker 2: She's a friend of mine. She said, you know, if
Speaker 2: we were talking about this five years ago, I'd go,
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is so smart this maybe
Speaker 2: this is a little crazy. And she goes, now, it's
Speaker 2: crazy if you don't do this, because we've seen what
Speaker 2: they can do, and we have to get treatments in
Speaker 2: the hands of patients so they can be ready to
Speaker 2: use them should they need them, because it's ridiculous that
Speaker 2: you have to go to urgent care, or that you
Speaker 2: can't get into an appointment, or that you have to
Speaker 2: spend a ton of money to get simple treatments that
Speaker 2: are we have telehealth backup with all the products, and
Speaker 2: we have manuals with them. It's things to be ready
Speaker 2: to do. For instance, the travel kit. I was very
Speaker 2: involved in manufacturing and putting that together, and it's all
Speaker 2: things I give to my patients when they travel and
Speaker 2: particularly overseas. But now We're at a point where you
Speaker 2: should be ready in this country too, because urgent care
Speaker 2: is are you're paying for all that infrastructure when you
Speaker 2: walk into an urgent care and there's no reason for it.
Speaker 2: You know how to use these things, you know what
Speaker 2: they are, you have back up, we should have access
Speaker 2: to them. I've spent most of my career defending the
Speaker 2: patient physician relationship, and I feel like it's been so
Speaker 2: adulterated that we really have to know, focus on empowering
Speaker 2: the patient, and that's what we're about at Wellness.
Speaker 1: I love that, Doctor Drew, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming on the show. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You've got good to talk to you.
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