1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: This interview is brought to you by the Wellness Company 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: and today's show, we're going to have Doctor Drew, like 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: the Doctor Drew, the celebrity Doctor Drew, Board certified physician. 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: He is incredible. He's a host, he's an author, he's 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: a public speaker. He has treated tens of thousands of 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: patients in his forty years as a physician. So let's 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: get him on. So excited to have you on the show. 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: I've watched you for many years now. First of all, 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: what is the number one question that you get asked 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: in the health space? 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: The number one question I got asked is one I 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: hate answering, which is what's the craziest call you ever heard? 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: On love line? And so that's. 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: Usually where it isn't even going to go there. 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: I know that, but I wanted to make sure we 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 2: put that one out there as we can avoid it. 18 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: In terms of health. Usually people are more curious about addiction, 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: and they'll they'll, but I'm not sure there's one specific 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: question that always comes through, and maybe I'll think of 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: it as we go along here, but usually it's along 22 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: the lines of you know, is this a disease? How 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: do you get somebody to stop? Just sort of general 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: questions tend to come through. And what do I do 25 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: with my fill in the blank, but with my son, 26 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: my daughter or whatever? You know? 27 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: Sure? Sure? And what because this part I'm sorry that 28 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: I missed. But where Why did you specialize an addiction? 29 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: I am? I mean there's a long story. Everything with 30 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: me is accident and serendipity and takes a minute to 31 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: describe what actually happened. 32 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: I always say, my life is a long story short. 33 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, well yours is you? Yeah? I mean, 34 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: you're young enough that you can still tell and I've 35 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: got long stories to tell it. Ith I was, I'm 36 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: in internis by training. I ended up being a chief 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: resident internal medicine, teaching internal medicine. But as I was 38 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: doing all that training, I ended up moonlighting in a 39 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: psychiatric hospital, and I very quickly moved into the position 40 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: of being there direct the chief of service for medicine, 41 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: and I got very skilled in the care medical care 42 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: of psychiatric patients. I was always interested in the brain 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: and interested in psychiatry, and I guess where all the 44 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 2: medical problems were a lot of the times, I mean 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: all of them, but certainly every night when I was 46 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: on call, there'd always be something on the drug unit. 47 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: And when I got there, I was very sort of 48 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: intrigued to discover that there was a physician in charge 49 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 2: of the program at the time. This is not nineteen 50 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: eighty five who had made a clinical discipline out of 51 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: drug withdrawal. And I was working at County hospitals at 52 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: that time seeing tons of alcoholics and heroin addicts, and 53 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: what we did to get them off the drugs was 54 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: very haphazard and random, frankly and wrong most of the time. 55 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: And so I got very good at detoxing people, and 56 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: so I was getting lots of requests come down to 57 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: help with the detox and withdrawals and stuff. They're the 58 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: very medical when you get people off some of these drugs, 59 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: and I got very good at that, and was being 60 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: asked to see lots of addicts and still didn't know 61 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: anything about the disease. And I was sort of of 62 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: arrogant about the fact that I was really helping these 63 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: people and what's this goofy twelve step stuff going on 64 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: in the rooms there. But I always liked the drug unit. 65 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: I liked the staff. I liked the culture, and I 66 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: just would I've spending a lot of time down there. 67 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: And finally I saw a few patients all the way 68 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: through their treatment and they went these are young, otherwise 69 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: healthy people that went from dying to amazing, and I 70 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, what is that. I want 71 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: to understand what just happened here? Because usually in general medicine, 72 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: you'd go from really seriously ill to chronically ill. That's 73 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: sort of the best you could do, and here was 74 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: really ill to better than you ever knew. And so 75 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: I got more and more and more involved in it, 76 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: and then over the course of years was asked to 77 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: be an assistant director. And then once I was an 78 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: assistant director of that program, the director quit, which is 79 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: something I didn't expect, and I moved in the position 80 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: of directorship. And at that time, this is now early 81 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety ninety one, to have an internist be in 82 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: that position was almost unheard of. So I clung to 83 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: it pretty hard because I thought, boy, I'm never going 84 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: to have an opportunity like this again, and this is 85 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: so fascinating. And then I really focused on my training 86 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: and expertise in that area. I'm still doing general medicine 87 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: all alongside. I was a bad, bad, bad workaholic. I 88 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: would get up in the five in the morning and 89 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: I would struggle to get home by ten at night 90 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: for years. 91 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: But I mean, look how many people you've helped, you know. 92 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: Helped, And really, now what has happened is I've had 93 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: this extraordinary experience of the human experience with the human 94 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: experience that people are just not getting today. Nobody gets 95 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: medicine and psychiatry at the depth and breadth that I 96 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: had it, And now I just kind of want to 97 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: give that back. I wanted to share what I've learned 98 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: as a result of that, because it's not being No 99 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,559 Speaker 2: one gets to see that anymore, and it's a shame, 100 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: it's a mess. It's not good necessarily right. 101 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: And when it comes to addiction, I feel like, so 102 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: I haven't personally dealt with addiction, but I had an 103 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: ex that had a sex addiction, and it was so 104 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: many times when I it was really hard for me 105 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: to understand. And a lot of people would say, well, 106 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: it's just like an alcohol or drug addiction, But it 107 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: seems as if when I would speak to my ex 108 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: husband about this, you know, and trying to kind of 109 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: make sense of it, and you know, it's it seems 110 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: like alcoholism and drug addiction is a more accept like 111 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: people can understand that more as than sex addiction. Right, 112 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: so people can go okay, but I'm like, but I 113 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: always tried to defend my ex husband and still to 114 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: this day, I'm like, no, I still think it's an addiction. 115 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: I think it's maybe not a people just. 116 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: Well let's talk about it. Let's I know, I know 117 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: what you're struggling with. 118 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, there you go. And I'm one of the 119 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: ones that actually like do like think it is an addiction, 120 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: but I think it's hard for people that. 121 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: Here's here's let's specify. It is not a ds M 122 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: four d s M five diagnostic category is a way 123 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: of conceptualizing a phenomenon that is becoming increasingly common and 124 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:12,119 Speaker 2: affecting people's lives profoundly, and as such, conceptualized as such, 125 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: there are people who have used that construct to really 126 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: help the couples and the people struggling with this condition. 127 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: It is a it is a discipline, it's an approach. 128 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure is he in recovery? Now? Is he? Is 129 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: he doing his thing? 130 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: He I believe he is, but again, you know, I 131 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: kind of separated from that while he's max husband. That 132 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: makes sense. 133 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: Did he take it very seriously and get involved in 134 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: the treatment process, do you know? 135 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: I mean he went to rehab, but the problem was 136 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: that there was lots of relapses afterwards, and then I 137 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: was like piecing out. 138 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: But that that was your experience with it, which which. 139 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: Is just my experience. But I have seen many people 140 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,239 Speaker 1: not relapse, you know, right. 141 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: So and so you know, for the partner, he or 142 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: she has to decide what can I tolerate? What can 143 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: I hang in with? And that's all over the place. 144 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: What do I need to know? Do I need a 145 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: disclosure and all this stuff? And then what am I 146 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: willing to tolerate if I do hang out? And you 147 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: have to be very clear about that, and if he 148 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: is unable to get over just like with the alcohol, 149 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: I'm addiction, right, same thing, Like you're not helping them 150 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: by sticking around. Many times, loss is the one thing 151 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: that they get them to the place where they're able 152 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: to actually do the work. And so you may have 153 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: helped him, That's what I'm wondering, if it really did 154 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: help him, might have. 155 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, and I hopefully he's on 156 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: the other side of it now, you know, I don't Again, 157 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: we just try to coparents. 158 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: And there are meetings that there's various programs in this region. 159 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: So let's kind of get into a little further because 160 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: it is it's funny you bring it up, because it's 161 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: something that's been on my mind lately. Is becoming increasingly 162 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: important for people for many different reasons. Pornography has obviously 163 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: had a huge impact on sex addiction, but I think 164 00:07:54,760 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: we've come through a period where there's been so much 165 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: childhood trauma. There's been so much confusion about our sexuality 166 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: and about intimacy. There's been so many attachment problems because 167 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: again of the you know, put two parents out of 168 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: the home, and you know, so many so much failure 169 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: in marriage. There's so much that's going on in our 170 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: family systems that this kind of thing is what comes 171 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: from it. And there are people that are quite well 172 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: trained in helping to manage it, but oftentimes typically at 173 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: the core is a twelve step program, mostly because it 174 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: requires daily work and there aren't there's enough resources to 175 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: really do it with professionals the way it should be done, 176 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: and the twelve step works very very well in getting 177 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: people to the point where they're seeing the condition as 178 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: it is and finding a program of recovery, and the 179 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: twelve step program really yields some great results with that. 180 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: And the other thing to know about it is there's many, 181 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: many different programs. There's you know, women kind of come 182 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: to sex addiction through love addiction. Men come to sort 183 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: of love compulsions if they get there at all, through 184 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: sex and and then again, as I said, pornography is 185 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 2: in the middle of all this. And gay men have 186 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: a different problem sometimes than straight men. So there's different programs. 187 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: There's A there's a there's s l A A, there's 188 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: l A and and people because this is such an 189 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 2: intimate and protein sort of thing, people kind of have 190 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 2: to find the version the manifestations that speaks speaks to 191 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: their particular syndrome, and it is a syndrome, not a diagnosis. 192 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: Do you think it's on the same line though, because 193 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: I feel. 194 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: Like there's addiction. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, it's the same. 195 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: But I just feel like one's more acceptable, not acceptable, 196 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: but one's more like oh then like the other one's like, uh, well. 197 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: Say that again. I know I can say, but it's 198 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: clear one's one's what's well, because that's I. 199 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: Mean, that's like how because one's like oh okay, like yeah, 200 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: there's you know, it's almost like not that it's ever 201 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: okay to be, but it's like it's okay that it's 202 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: more I guess acceptable. 203 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: I guess people have come to understand what chemicals can 204 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: do to people. They have not yet come to understand 205 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 2: what screens and other kinds of trauma can do to 206 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: their interpersonal lives. They don't, they don't know it. They 207 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: don't know it. They will because it's becoming so common. 208 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: And what makes me unhappy is very few people not 209 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: very few, but only a limited percentage get to recovery. 210 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 2: They just they just struggle along. They find individual therapists, 211 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: they kind of get a little bit better, and they 212 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: do the same thing over and over and over again. 213 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 2: And it's not a great You hurt a lot of 214 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: people in those cycles, both yourself and others, and you 215 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: don't you don't really intend to, but you do, and 216 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: it's it's it's awful being on your side of it too. 217 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: It's really rough, the betrayal, the confusion. 218 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: It was tough. Yeah, but on the other side of 219 00:10:54,520 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: that now, which is good. Good on the internal medicine side. 220 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: How bad do you hate Google? 221 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: You know, I'm we're getting a better We're getting to 222 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 2: a better place with the Google. Me and me and 223 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: doctor Google are getting to a better place. Okay, because I. 224 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: Am I texted my internal medicine dude, doctor, dude, doctor, dude, 225 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: doctor com a dude doctor, and I'm like, I either 226 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: have MS or I have a brain tumor so like, 227 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: because I go on and I deep dive and I'm 228 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: like and that's kind of my conclusion that I'm drawing myself. 229 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: And he's like or I'm like, no, no, no, there's 230 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: no or like, here's my symptoms and here it matches 231 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: this and that, and he's like, you have to get 232 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: off Google. And I'm like I can't. Like, I just 233 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: there's so much out there. 234 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard. Uh. We many of my peers, maybe 235 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: fifteen years ago started putting a sign in our office 236 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: that frame where patients could see it, that said, please 237 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: do not confuse your Google search with my medical training, 238 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: because they are not the same. And people have been 239 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: very confused about the difference between information and wisdom, knowledge 240 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: and understand that whatever you found on Google, I knew 241 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 2: at the end of second year medical school, and then 242 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: I trained for another ten years coming to understand what 243 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: it is in a as it manifest in a human being. 244 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: And to the point now where when you have years 245 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: and years of experience, you can walk in the room 246 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,599 Speaker 2: and you're like, you know immediately what's going on. You 247 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: just can practically smell it and you know it's not 248 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: going on oftentimes, And so what we do then once 249 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: we you know, sort of draw our clinical conclusions, then 250 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 2: we move through a careful workup to make sure we're right. 251 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: But your doctor would have a pretty easy time knowing 252 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: the difference between MS brain tumor and sleep disturbances or 253 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: anxiety or whatever. 254 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: Else going on, you know, to be determined. 255 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: And an easy thing. You know, we'll rule out MS 256 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 2: very very quickly with an MRI if if it's important, 257 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 2: you know, every need to calm me down. But right, 258 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 2: but there are ways to tell that these are not 259 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: There's just differing qualities to these things as they manifest 260 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: in the human experience. 261 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: To stay in our best you know, for a body, 262 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: like what is the best not only wellness practice, but 263 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: also just like is there a set like what do 264 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: you take? What is the supplements that you take? 265 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: So I want to finish my relationship with doctor. Google 266 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: has improved now where I find patients Now when they 267 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 2: bring they used to bring in stacks of stuff and 268 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: go did you know? 269 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: You know? 270 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: It's like yeah, now they go. Now they tend to 271 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: take more of approach. Like I was searching around and 272 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 2: maybe I'm being anxious and maybe I'm being dramatic, but 273 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 2: here's what I found. Here's what I'm thinking. What do 274 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: you think? And that I appreciate because that's a well 275 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 2: informed patient now, you know, And that's something that I 276 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: can really work with. But back to health maintenance and stuff. 277 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: It's funny I just finished a podcast with doctor Gabriel Lyons. 278 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Peter A Tia, and we 279 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: are spending a lot of energy helping people understand the 280 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: importance of maintaining body muscle mass across the lifespan. That's 281 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: starting to work out with resistance training early and often 282 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: and maintaining it throughout your life is an exceedingly important 283 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: element in living well and living long, as well as 284 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: addressing some of our metabolic problems and our obesity problems. 285 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: She was saying. She was making the point that she 286 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: came to a conclusion one day that really the problem 287 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: wasn't a body weight body fat problem, It was a 288 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: encyclopaennia problem, a lack of muscle mass, and that the 289 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: organ system of the skeletal muscle needed to be really 290 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: carefully addressed. And I believe that wholeheartedly. There are you 291 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: know for me, I follow you know, an exercise program 292 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: that is I used to lift very very heavyweights all 293 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: the time, and I destroyed my shoulders doing that. I 294 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: happen to be one of the people that really liked 295 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: doing that. I did it every day for at least 296 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: thirty to forty minutes, just something I really enjoyed. It 297 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: was my study hall. But I I would listen to 298 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: podcasts and things like that, and I destroyed my shoulders 299 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: doing that. And for years, trainers were telling me to 300 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: train otherwise, but I was too stubborn, and I just 301 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: would go back to what I liked, which is what 302 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: people do tend to do. And I do recommend that 303 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: people who do the exercise they will like. The most 304 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: important thing is that you do something, but that excessive 305 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: cardio or even lots of cardio may not be the 306 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: well it isn't the best thing. It raises cortisol. It 307 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: actually can increase fat deposition. It certainly can decrease muscle mass. 308 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: And because we know that muscle mass is a really 309 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: important ingredient, resistance training has got to be a part 310 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: of everybody's program. And don't worry that you're going to 311 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: gain too much muscle. It just doesn't happen. You've got 312 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: to do some resistance training and picking up a weight 313 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: as an important part of that. It's not just body weight, 314 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: not just bands. I think actually having a weight that 315 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: you doesn't have to be a lot of weight, but 316 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: you have to do that. And so for me, I 317 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: get involved with somebody asked me to do a cameo 318 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: for the organization called v Shred, and I was looking 319 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: at their stuff and I thought, God, the way Vince 320 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: is training and training everybody, it's exactly what I should 321 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: be doing. So I started to following his videos and 322 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: they I've had huge success with it, and so I 323 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: do hit cardio with them. I do a lot of 324 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: cable training. I do higher reps and you know, like 325 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: fifteen reps no longer the six to eight reps that 326 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: used to do and I'm having really, really a good 327 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: time with it and a lot of success with it, 328 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: and it's helped me with my weight management too. Interestingly. 329 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: I love that. And then what about supplement wise. 330 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: Sublements I am, I am an advocate. There's two supplements 331 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: that are kind of all over the place. We do 332 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: live in sort of the goal so much. 333 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: I know, I literally like the ones from my blood 334 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: work that I need. But then there's just like, there's armor, 335 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: there's a g one, there's I mean, there's just so 336 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: many things. 337 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of armor right now. 338 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: I'm looking at them. They seem to be a good product. 339 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: I think there's something there. But there are two, and 340 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: I take a bunch. I take a bunch of stuff, 341 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 2: but there are two that I can recommend with absolute clarity. 342 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: One is nicotinamide ribicide, which is something called the highest 343 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: vert quality version. That's something called true niagen and that 344 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: is a you know you heard of NAD infusions. You've 345 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 2: ever had in any D infusion? No? Okay. As we age, 346 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: our NAD levels fall off. That is a natural part 347 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: of aging, and it affects the oxidative state, particularly of 348 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: our mitochondria and that is a core process in aging, 349 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: and we can enhance that orally with nicotinamide riboside. And 350 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: so I take true niogen every day about a thousand 351 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: milligrams true nagen. I've done that for ten years. And 352 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: whenever anybody says to me, you know, you know, look, 353 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: you're right. I'm sixty almost sixty six now, I always think, 354 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: I wonder if it's that nigen. I wonder if that's 355 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: what did it, because that plus the resistance training, to 356 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 2: me is like those are two anti aging in inputs 357 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: or interventions anybody can do. Okay, so true nigen resistance training. 358 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 2: There's a new supplement called Fatty fifteen fat. 359 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. My guy, my doctor dude, has 360 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: me on that one. 361 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: Okay. So that comes out of dolphin research and it's 362 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: a very fine couple. She's a veterinarian, he's an orthopedis. 363 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 2: They researched this. The Navy maintains a fleet of dolphins. 364 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: She was the veterinarian for the dolphins. She noticed that 365 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: some of them got Alzheimer's. She did some research. She 366 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 2: found this is the short story, that they had a 367 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: deficiency in this compound and when they replaced the compound, 368 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 2: they didn't get dementia, and so now they have some 369 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: human studies. This one seems like a real deal to me. 370 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 2: So and certainly no downside to either of these for sure. 371 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: So fatty fifteen, true Niagen. 372 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the Fatty fifteen I've I mean, I 373 00:18:59,640 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: like that one. 374 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 2: I'm going to come out with. I'm I'm going to 375 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: be pushing out a couple of my own sort of products, 376 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: and soon I'm gonna, I think for a less expensive 377 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 2: way to get something similar to what true nigen does 378 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: is going for glue to thione and asteal systeine kind 379 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: of combinations. You can do that. There is nicotine on 380 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: my mononucleotide, which I actually don't like as much as 381 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: n R. But that's another way these are. These things 382 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: are expensive if you really are doing But so I'm 383 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: always trying to find ways to make it with your 384 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: bad people need to but people need to have accessible 385 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: ways to do this. So I'm also always looking for 386 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: cost effective ways to do this. 387 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: So I've got I've got three kids, my oldest is 388 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: a and you know, I'm always looking into well, first 389 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: of all, I don't like so social media. I have 390 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: to be on it obviously for work, but I'm very 391 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: much like, get off the technology, get off the phones. 392 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: I don't want her to have social media. I mean, 393 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: her friends have phones when you're eight, Like, I'm not 394 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: giving you a phone because I personally can attribute some 395 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: of my depression from when I was locked into Instagram 396 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: and social media, and there's just so I mean, I'm like, 397 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm almost I'm a forty year old woman now and 398 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 1: I still can see the how the effects of how 399 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: social media can affect me, and I'm like, I'm not 400 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: giving that to a precious eight year old or nine, ten, whatever. 401 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 2: It is the big problem. I mean, everybody agrees, right, 402 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: it's inescapable the measurable impact negative impact it has on 403 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: people's mental health, particularly young women. But the hard part 404 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: is getting not just your kids off social media, but 405 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: they're peers. 406 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: Well yeah, because she's going to be the one friend 407 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't, and then what it cans. 408 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: You can't cripple her socially. But by the same token, 409 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 2: if you could just get some cooperation from the rest 410 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: of the parents so at least emit, or not have 411 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 2: them in school or something where the community is together 412 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: on this, then you have an opportunity. A friend of 413 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: mine studies all this, that's all she does. She's a 414 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: very fine psychologist. She has a website called DCA Kids. 415 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: I think it's called dot org, which is about Digital 416 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: Citizen Academy, about how to be a digital citizen in 417 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: an effective way as a young person. She limited her 418 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: kids to two hours a day and eventually, of course 419 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 2: they hated it when their grant, but eventually they ended 420 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: up thanking her for that. And of course you can 421 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 2: also put lots of sort of parameters. You can put 422 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: electronics sort of gatekeeping on the systems, but of course 423 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 2: you can't control what the other kids are showing to 424 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: your kids, which is where things get really out of control. 425 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: Do you think that's the rise in the depression, anxiety 426 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: and kids today or do you think it's more food 427 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: life like lifestyle. 428 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: Well, it's I mean all the above, right, I think. 429 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: I think you can't underestimate the impact of screens. I 430 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 2: think we will look at screens one day the way 431 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: we look at tobacco now. Uh Number one. Number two, 432 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: our family systems are struggling, and we're not supporting family 433 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: systems the way we could. We have just been through 434 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: an insane experience for young people. When lockdown started, I 435 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: kept saying, we are sacrificing eight to fifteen year olds. 436 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: They are not going to recover from this. This is 437 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: a developmental window that you are closing for them, which 438 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: is when they need their peers the most, and you're 439 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: telling them, you're telling them if they have contact with 440 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: their source of nourishment, their peers, they're going to kill 441 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 2: their family. Oh great, in the meantime, hide under your bed, 442 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 2: shelter in place. That was a disgusting and predictable sacrificing 443 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: of millions of kids. And then the cognitive development of stuff, 444 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: particularly at risk kids or the kids that aren't you know, 445 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: sort of who are already financially stressed. Those are the ones, 446 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: of course get it the worst. So there's that, you know, 447 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: And there's food sources. Right, we don't eat good food. 448 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: We don't we have yummy food. I just did an 449 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: interview with guy named CALLI means I don't think I 450 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 2: had a book handy here. He wrote a book about 451 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 2: the food system. He's a former food lobbyist and his 452 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 2: sister was a head neck surgeon, and they both started 453 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: began to dedicate themselves to this problem of food because 454 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: he realized that, you know, the food companies that produced 455 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: some of the so much of the processed food are 456 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: actually the formerly the tobacco companies. The tobacco companies when 457 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 2: tobacco started getting sort of eviscerated, started buying up food companies, 458 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: and they brought the scientist, the lobbyist and the strategies 459 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: they used for tobacco now to food. And so the yummiest, 460 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 2: the most addictive, at least no attention to health are 461 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 2: the things that are going to be advocated to your kids. 462 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: Yeah that makes me sick, but yeah, yeah, and even. 463 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 2: Even who even real foods, even whole foods. You have 464 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 2: to be careful where they're sourced. You have to pay attention. 465 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 2: You have to have a label reader, you have to. 466 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: You have to pay attention. You have to grass fed beef, 467 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: you have to. 468 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: When my fiance moved from England to the States, he 469 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: was sick for months, like his stomach, I mean, he 470 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: was so sick, and I'm like, it's our food, like 471 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: I've been trying, like it's just it's just a disgrace. 472 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 2: It's a problem. And we have even even paying attention, 473 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 2: it can be difficult to get food that is nutritious. 474 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: You ought to interview Andrew Gruhl, Chef Gruel. Do you 475 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: know him? He's in high school. Yeah, but Andre look 476 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: Sydney make notes. He would love to know. He's a 477 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: great advocate for this stuff. 478 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: Okay, I love that. All right, have two more questions. One, 479 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: you've been married to your wife, Susan since nineteen ninety one. 480 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,239 Speaker 1: I'm about to go get married, So what is your 481 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: best piece of I'm married again? Sorry, what is your 482 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: best piece of wedding? Marriage? Advice? Marriage, it's comp. 483 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: I'm not naive to the fact that vida is challenging. 484 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: Is difficult for people to maintain these relationships. It just is, 485 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 2: And of course the baggage of our past always comes 486 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: to bear. So my number one piece of advice is 487 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: if first, first of all, stay commitment is the part 488 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: that most people miss. You just you don't run for 489 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: the door. I mean, if you have to leave like you, 490 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: you were in a situation where you hung in, you hung. 491 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: In, you thought for seven years. 492 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 2: Yeah he was sick. He wasn't staying with the program. 493 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, that you did the best you could, 494 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 2: but you have to really not have the door open. 495 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 2: You have to have the door constantly closed. You don't 496 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: run for the door if there's trouble. And then two 497 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: access mental health services. Mental health services pay dividends, and 498 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: if there's interpersonal issues, get help. It really does. We've 499 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: had various therapists in our family system over the years 500 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: for various situations and it's always paid. Difficulties always, always, always, 501 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 2: and any different than if the kids got sick, had 502 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: medical problems, you would you would get help. Same thing 503 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: with mental health and interpersonal issues. It paid. It really 504 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: does help, and then you know, cultivate healthy practices. The 505 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: resentments I've just noticed recently, it's in something on my 506 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: mind that resentments are poison. We always used to say 507 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: that in the recovering community, that it's like taking a 508 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: poison and expecting it to hurt the other person. But 509 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: more than it's gotten worse than that. I mean, resentments 510 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 2: are flying around in this country everywhere, and people are 511 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 2: resentful of one another, resentful of one another's everything. It's 512 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: just it's out of control. 513 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: Like when you're resentful, that just brews stress, which stress 514 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: breeds I think diseases in your body. 515 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: So for sure, for sure, one hundred percent. So the 516 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: flip side of that is cultivate gratitude, uh, and have 517 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 2: some kind of spiritual practice, whether it's whether it's helping 518 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 2: other people or finding purpose. Something you've got to. You 519 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 2: gotta you've got to. You know, your religion. I don't 520 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 2: know if you have religion in your life, but that 521 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: used to serve that function. We need it as human beings. Envy, resentment, 522 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: these things are destroying us right now. And it happens 523 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: in It happens in interpersonal too. There's a study that 524 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: came with the reason that's been on my mind. It 525 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 2: came out and to study recently that women were measured 526 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 2: more resentful and we're actually preventing their husband from doing 527 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 2: things in their careers they wanted to do because they 528 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 2: resentful of the success. And I thought, wow, that's a 529 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 2: level of effecting the interpersonal experience that is new and 530 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: it doesn't need to be there, shouldn't be there. 531 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you. That was great advice. Okay, 532 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: so you're in the chief medical board of the wellness Company. 533 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: What is tell the listeners? What is the wellness company? 534 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: How does it different from different wellness brands? 535 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 2: Wellness Company is really a readiness company's We saw I 536 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: complained a few minutes ago about lockdowns. We saw what 537 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 2: the government can do to affect our lives and to 538 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: interfere with our ability to get medical care. One of 539 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 2: the other board members is a docor named Kelly Victory. 540 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 2: She's a friend of mine. She said, you know, if 541 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 2: we were talking about this five years ago, I'd go, 542 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: I don't know if this is so smart this maybe 543 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: this is a little crazy. And she goes, now, it's 544 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: crazy if you don't do this, because we've seen what 545 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: they can do, and we have to get treatments in 546 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: the hands of patients so they can be ready to 547 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 2: use them should they need them, because it's ridiculous that 548 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 2: you have to go to urgent care, or that you 549 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 2: can't get into an appointment, or that you have to 550 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 2: spend a ton of money to get simple treatments that 551 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 2: are we have telehealth backup with all the products, and 552 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 2: we have manuals with them. It's things to be ready 553 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 2: to do. For instance, the travel kit. I was very 554 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: involved in manufacturing and putting that together, and it's all 555 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: things I give to my patients when they travel and 556 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: particularly overseas. But now We're at a point where you 557 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 2: should be ready in this country too, because urgent care 558 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: is are you're paying for all that infrastructure when you 559 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: walk into an urgent care and there's no reason for it. 560 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: You know how to use these things, you know what 561 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: they are, you have back up, we should have access 562 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: to them. I've spent most of my career defending the 563 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: patient physician relationship, and I feel like it's been so 564 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: adulterated that we really have to know, focus on empowering 565 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: the patient, and that's what we're about at Wellness. 566 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: I love that, Doctor Drew, thank you so much for 567 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: coming on the show. 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