Speaker 1: For all your food. He's out there. I'm unwrapping a
Speaker 1: McDonald's steak, egg and cheese bagel. Look at this steak
Speaker 1: and the juice running down the side. Got a little
Speaker 1: bit on a wrapper here, and then the fluffy egg
Speaker 1: and real cheese folded over the side, looking just so good.
Speaker 1: M M. Grilled onions and a butt of bagel too.
Speaker 1: Thumbs off a McDonald's steak, egg and cheese bagel for breakfast.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble
Speaker 1: of running for president of the United States just to
Speaker 1: talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren on last night's debate stage, responding to Representative Laney,
Speaker 1: who was talking about, look, we've got to be realistic
Speaker 1: about what things we can actually do, etcetera, etcetera. Just
Speaker 1: normal human response to that sort of conversation is the
Speaker 1: person saying yes, we can do anything makes you feel
Speaker 1: better than the person saying no, we need to be
Speaker 1: serious about this. You're probably well, you're definitely right. Would
Speaker 1: you like dessert or vegetables? I mean it's that it's
Speaker 1: that kind of a conversation. And let's continue the conversation
Speaker 1: with Data Millbank, who is an American author, columnist for
Speaker 1: the Washington Post and always a stimulating conversation. Dana, how
Speaker 1: are you, sir? I prefer to dessert to vegetables. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the crowd is gonna cheer for dessert. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: cheer for vegetables, even if you know, might make more sense.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. I don't I understand why people don't
Speaker 1: learn that lesson from Trump. You know, they were going
Speaker 1: on and on last night about there, you know my policy?
Speaker 1: Does you know has this ten point planned in years?
Speaker 1: Does this back and forth? Nobody wants to hear about that.
Speaker 1: They just want to hear that you know, you're gonna
Speaker 1: give them healthcare. It's going to be raid and you're
Speaker 1: gonna make their lives better. And that's all you need
Speaker 1: to say. You know, we share your cynicism slash skepticism
Speaker 1: about a lot of politics and populist politics. But you know,
Speaker 1: if I were going to defend that, I would say,
Speaker 1: look the particulars of policy and what's actually going to
Speaker 1: get through. God only knows, because the way the government
Speaker 1: works and then the passage of time. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many senators I'm gonna have. It's like exactly, I
Speaker 1: just want somebody whose spirit is like matches mind and
Speaker 1: at least I know they're striving for the stuff I like.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, absolutely, I uh, I think that's exactly
Speaker 1: the way to go. And I you know, I think
Speaker 1: the Democrats are getting hung up in this whole debate
Speaker 1: about Medicare for all or is it you know, medic
Speaker 1: you have Medicare for most, but you have the you know,
Speaker 1: the private option is still there. And the truth of
Speaker 1: the matter is it doesn't really matter what they come
Speaker 1: up with, because I mean, are they're going to have
Speaker 1: sixty votes in the Senate. You know, they're they're gonna
Speaker 1: are going to be very lucky to get a small
Speaker 1: piece of things. So I don't understand why they're hacking
Speaker 1: away at each other over what really amounts to small
Speaker 1: differences when you compare any of them to uh, Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: So uh, it seems to me that this is unnecessary
Speaker 1: bloodshed among Democrats. They basically everybody on that stage wants
Speaker 1: universal coverage. They have slightly different ways of getting there,
Speaker 1: you know, from my own point of view as yet,
Speaker 1: might as well uh dream big and uh and then
Speaker 1: get as much as you can, uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean Donald Trump came in and said We're gonna have wonderful, cheap,
Speaker 1: you know, fabulous healthcare, and of course he's done no
Speaker 1: such thing, but his voters were we're happy to hear that. So, Dana,
Speaker 1: if you were going to assume control of the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party and advise them going forward, how would you select
Speaker 1: a candidate, you know, foot race celebrity before if it
Speaker 1: were up to me, they you know, and I were
Speaker 1: in charge of things, they would think we would definitely
Speaker 1: be losing. So uh, I'm not even a you know,
Speaker 1: registered as a as a Democrat. I uh uh you
Speaker 1: know it's uh, as was it. Will Rogers said, I
Speaker 1: don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a Democrat.
Speaker 1: How did you How do you feel about the way
Speaker 1: CNN handled it last night? I mean, they definitely were
Speaker 1: not letting abody that, they were not letting the candidates
Speaker 1: get away with talking whenever they wanted to, and they
Speaker 1: cut them right off. But I felt like about it,
Speaker 1: and and and oftentimes we've felt like the debaters take
Speaker 1: control of the debate and the moderators get run over.
Speaker 1: But in this case, about a half a dozen times
Speaker 1: I thought I would like to have heard the end
Speaker 1: of that sentence. Yeah, I found myself wanting that a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you're sort of damned if you do.
Speaker 1: It's a tough thing that you've got. You've got ten
Speaker 1: people on the stage, so it's not going to be
Speaker 1: a you know, a high quality debate. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was way too long. I have no idea why they
Speaker 1: you know, they can't we just accept that they're patriotic
Speaker 1: without going twenty minute color guard and introduction. Yeah, minute
Speaker 1: laid up is unbelievable. That was insane. Well, responding to
Speaker 1: the perception among a certain chunk of the electorate pretty
Speaker 1: substantial that Democrats are America haters, I think they're trying
Speaker 1: to counter that could be I guess, or at least
Speaker 1: nobody took a knee during the national We actually called
Speaker 1: for an effort tonight. Who I mean, you definitely would
Speaker 1: get some headlines, but so but do you think there's
Speaker 1: a major difference in that. So last night you had
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren burning in the middle, standing up for the
Speaker 1: socialist wing for the of the party to use shorthand tonight,
Speaker 1: you got Biden as the clear leader in the polls,
Speaker 1: who's not the socialist sling in this in the center?
Speaker 1: Is gonna be a completely different debate tonight, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: because he's you know, pretty far out in front. Everybody's
Speaker 1: gonna want to take a pop at him, you know,
Speaker 1: and everybody's anticipating the Harris Biden Rema match. Uh. Booker
Speaker 1: wants in on the action. So I yeah, I suspect
Speaker 1: that the result will be that we hear an awful
Speaker 1: lot of Joe Biden tonight. Yeah. The thing who knows
Speaker 1: what will happen to night. But the thing that uh
Speaker 1: strikes me is, you know, for for the debates and
Speaker 1: all the back and forth, essentially things haven't budged at all.
Speaker 1: We're basically where we were, uh several months ago, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of the Biden Sanders uh and Warren. So
Speaker 1: you know you saw Harris push ahead and pull back,
Speaker 1: you sort booty dudge push it, push ahead, pulled back.
Speaker 1: We're basically where Well that's part of my new my
Speaker 1: new theory that nothing moves the polls, Nothing moves any polls.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows how they're going to vote already to without
Speaker 1: even knowing who the candidate is going to be there,
Speaker 1: either for Trump or not. And it's just and nothing
Speaker 1: will change that. While you ought to run some sort
Speaker 1: of nihilist polling organization aspect question and ignore the answers,
Speaker 1: it just it just doesn't matter, right. You don't need
Speaker 1: to do polls, don't need to run ads. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of I kind of get the feeling of
Speaker 1: the Democratic voters thing, you know what, I don't. We
Speaker 1: just need to win this thing. And I think, um,
Speaker 1: I think Joe Biden is does not thrill many people
Speaker 1: at all, but he's acceptable to just about everybody. Uh
Speaker 1: and uh so I think that's why he continues to
Speaker 1: do well. And I think there is, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a perception that, uh, you can't beat Trump without running
Speaker 1: a white guy. Um, you know, that's you know, I
Speaker 1: think that's a perception many women have, many people of
Speaker 1: color have, uh you know, just given the you know,
Speaker 1: the Trump voter and what happened with Hillary Clinton, so
Speaker 1: that I respect that the big piece of what's going on.
Speaker 1: I think they're they're wrong. He had a young, mixed
Speaker 1: race black man beating the thoroughly reasonable and decent Romney
Speaker 1: and then beat John McCain war here like a drum.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if that's true, But Dana Milbanks,
Speaker 1: I I don't know if it's true or not. I
Speaker 1: just I just think that's a widespread and I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's a school of thought that Dano says,
Speaker 1: you gotta, you know, answer Trump in kind and that
Speaker 1: you know, somebody who's taking uh you know, more extreme
Speaker 1: less positions is the right way to go. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, we're an uncharted territory here, you'd be a
Speaker 1: terrible talk radio host, Dana immediately your omniscient. Hey, listen
Speaker 1: speaking old Joe and I have no particular animals towards
Speaker 1: Joe Biden whatsoever. I just believe he's terrible at running
Speaker 1: for president. He's a great candidate until he starts to
Speaker 1: be a candidate. And I just I think he's probably
Speaker 1: gonna come off as as old, a little slow, a
Speaker 1: little outdated. Again tonight, how would you rate his game
Speaker 1: at this point? You know, he's he's the guy, uh is.
Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of Gore, a little
Speaker 1: bit of carry Um. He has a way of sort
Speaker 1: of reading out the stage instruction is like and then
Speaker 1: next debate, I'm going to be really tough. So it's
Speaker 1: like you're not supposed to say that, You're just supposed
Speaker 1: to do it. Um. So yeah, it's it's a little
Speaker 1: bit uh painful to watch. Um I don't think I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he's uh, you know, he's he's certainly pretty
Speaker 1: good at the retail politics, you know, showing up at
Speaker 1: the ice cream shop, and he's got this sort of
Speaker 1: you know, regular guy uh touch, so that in that sense,
Speaker 1: he's uh in a better place than than Gore and
Speaker 1: and and carry word. But he definitely has the ability,
Speaker 1: uh you know to put his foot in his mouth.
Speaker 1: So uh, I think it's gonna happen. Well, one more
Speaker 1: critique of CNN and how they did and again you're
Speaker 1: damned if you do, damned if you don't. But they
Speaker 1: set up everything as a conflict. Hey, Delany, she said
Speaker 1: something mean about you and you said something about him.
Speaker 1: Respond to it? How do how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: Just just trying to start, I wrote about uh Maryan Williamson.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought she was the winner of the debate,
Speaker 1: and because of this, they were sort of goating. Uh,
Speaker 1: everybody to fight with each other. And she's like, people,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do this, you know you're not gonna
Speaker 1: beat Donald Trump, and uh, you know, let's get rid
Speaker 1: of this wankiness and just you know, you know, talk
Speaker 1: to the people, talk to the American people. And you know,
Speaker 1: of course that's exactly the right thing to do. But
Speaker 1: I do think it was, you know, particularly in the beginning,
Speaker 1: you know, with the healthcare squabble. And that's what I said,
Speaker 1: you know, pickering over over small differences. That's really all
Speaker 1: that they were doing through the night. Dana Millbank of
Speaker 1: the Washington Post, Dana, we sure enjoy every chance we
Speaker 1: get to chat. Thanks a million for the time. It's
Speaker 1: my pleasure. Thanks all right, well done, well done. That's
Speaker 1: a guy who knows democratic politics talking about the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: So there you go. All I agree with him on
Speaker 1: virtually nothing, but man, I love the chance to talk
Speaker 1: to him. And can't we all just come together that way?
Speaker 1: My friends? Aren't we all Americans? Yes? We are. If
Speaker 1: they set up tonight's debate the same way, there's gonna
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