WEBVTT - Less Wonk, More Bloodshed!  Dana Milbank talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>For all your food. He's out there. I'm unwrapping a

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<v Speaker 1>McDonald's steak, egg and cheese bagel. Look at this steak

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<v Speaker 1>and the juice running down the side. Got a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit on a wrapper here, and then the fluffy egg

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<v Speaker 1>and real cheese folded over the side, looking just so good.

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<v Speaker 1>M M. Grilled onions and a butt of bagel too.

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<v Speaker 1>Thumbs off a McDonald's steak, egg and cheese bagel for breakfast.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it Up. I participating McDonald's The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble

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<v Speaker 1>of running for president of the United States just to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for.

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Warren on last night's debate stage, responding to Representative Laney,

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<v Speaker 1>who was talking about, look, we've got to be realistic

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<v Speaker 1>about what things we can actually do, etcetera, etcetera. Just

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<v Speaker 1>normal human response to that sort of conversation is the

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<v Speaker 1>person saying yes, we can do anything makes you feel

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<v Speaker 1>better than the person saying no, we need to be

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<v Speaker 1>serious about this. You're probably well, you're definitely right. Would

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<v Speaker 1>you like dessert or vegetables? I mean it's that it's

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of a conversation. And let's continue the conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with Data Millbank, who is an American author, columnist for

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post and always a stimulating conversation. Dana, how

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<v Speaker 1>are you, sir? I prefer to dessert to vegetables. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd is gonna cheer for dessert. They're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cheer for vegetables, even if you know, might make more sense.

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<v Speaker 1>That's absolutely right. I don't I understand why people don't

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<v Speaker 1>learn that lesson from Trump. You know, they were going

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<v Speaker 1>on and on last night about there, you know my policy?

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<v Speaker 1>Does you know has this ten point planned in years?

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<v Speaker 1>Does this back and forth? Nobody wants to hear about that.

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<v Speaker 1>They just want to hear that you know, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>give them healthcare. It's going to be raid and you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make their lives better. And that's all you need

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<v Speaker 1>to say. You know, we share your cynicism slash skepticism

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<v Speaker 1>about a lot of politics and populist politics. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if I were going to defend that, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>look the particulars of policy and what's actually going to

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<v Speaker 1>get through. God only knows, because the way the government

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<v Speaker 1>works and then the passage of time. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how many senators I'm gonna have. It's like exactly, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want somebody whose spirit is like matches mind and

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<v Speaker 1>at least I know they're striving for the stuff I like.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, yeah, absolutely, I uh, I think that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the way to go. And I you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats are getting hung up in this whole debate

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<v Speaker 1>about Medicare for all or is it you know, medic

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<v Speaker 1>you have Medicare for most, but you have the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the private option is still there. And the truth of

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<v Speaker 1>the matter is it doesn't really matter what they come

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<v Speaker 1>up with, because I mean, are they're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>sixty votes in the Senate. You know, they're they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be very lucky to get a small

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<v Speaker 1>piece of things. So I don't understand why they're hacking

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<v Speaker 1>away at each other over what really amounts to small

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<v Speaker 1>differences when you compare any of them to uh, Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, it seems to me that this is unnecessary

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<v Speaker 1>bloodshed among Democrats. They basically everybody on that stage wants

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<v Speaker 1>universal coverage. They have slightly different ways of getting there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, from my own point of view as yet,

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<v Speaker 1>might as well uh dream big and uh and then

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<v Speaker 1>get as much as you can, uh, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean Donald Trump came in and said We're gonna have wonderful, cheap,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fabulous healthcare, and of course he's done no

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<v Speaker 1>such thing, but his voters were we're happy to hear that. So, Dana,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were going to assume control of the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Party and advise them going forward, how would you select

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<v Speaker 1>a candidate, you know, foot race celebrity before if it

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<v Speaker 1>were up to me, they you know, and I were

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of things, they would think we would definitely

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<v Speaker 1>be losing. So uh, I'm not even a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>registered as a as a Democrat. I uh uh you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's uh, as was it. Will Rogers said, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a Democrat.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you How do you feel about the way

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<v Speaker 1>CNN handled it last night? I mean, they definitely were

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<v Speaker 1>not letting abody that, they were not letting the candidates

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<v Speaker 1>get away with talking whenever they wanted to, and they

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<v Speaker 1>cut them right off. But I felt like about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and oftentimes we've felt like the debaters take

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<v Speaker 1>control of the debate and the moderators get run over.

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<v Speaker 1>But in this case, about a half a dozen times

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I would like to have heard the end

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<v Speaker 1>of that sentence. Yeah, I found myself wanting that a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, you're sort of damned if you do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tough thing that you've got. You've got ten

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<v Speaker 1>people on the stage, so it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, a high quality debate. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>was way too long. I have no idea why they

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they can't we just accept that they're patriotic

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<v Speaker 1>without going twenty minute color guard and introduction. Yeah, minute

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<v Speaker 1>laid up is unbelievable. That was insane. Well, responding to

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<v Speaker 1>the perception among a certain chunk of the electorate pretty

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<v Speaker 1>substantial that Democrats are America haters, I think they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to counter that could be I guess, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>nobody took a knee during the national We actually called

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<v Speaker 1>for an effort tonight. Who I mean, you definitely would

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<v Speaker 1>get some headlines, but so but do you think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a major difference in that. So last night you had

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Warren burning in the middle, standing up for the

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<v Speaker 1>socialist wing for the of the party to use shorthand tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>you got Biden as the clear leader in the polls,

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<v Speaker 1>who's not the socialist sling in this in the center?

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<v Speaker 1>Is gonna be a completely different debate tonight, Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because he's you know, pretty far out in front. Everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna want to take a pop at him, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody's anticipating the Harris Biden Rema match. Uh. Booker

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<v Speaker 1>wants in on the action. So I yeah, I suspect

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<v Speaker 1>that the result will be that we hear an awful

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Joe Biden tonight. Yeah. The thing who knows

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<v Speaker 1>what will happen to night. But the thing that uh

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<v Speaker 1>strikes me is, you know, for for the debates and

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<v Speaker 1>all the back and forth, essentially things haven't budged at all.

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<v Speaker 1>We're basically where we were, uh several months ago, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of the Biden Sanders uh and Warren. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know you saw Harris push ahead and pull back,

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<v Speaker 1>you sort booty dudge push it, push ahead, pulled back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're basically where Well that's part of my new my

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<v Speaker 1>new theory that nothing moves the polls, Nothing moves any polls.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody knows how they're going to vote already to without

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<v Speaker 1>even knowing who the candidate is going to be there,

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<v Speaker 1>either for Trump or not. And it's just and nothing

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<v Speaker 1>will change that. While you ought to run some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of nihilist polling organization aspect question and ignore the answers,

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<v Speaker 1>it just it just doesn't matter, right. You don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to do polls, don't need to run ads. Uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of I kind of get the feeling of

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic voters thing, you know what, I don't. We

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<v Speaker 1>just need to win this thing. And I think, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Joe Biden is does not thrill many people

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<v Speaker 1>at all, but he's acceptable to just about everybody. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>and uh so I think that's why he continues to

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<v Speaker 1>do well. And I think there is, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a perception that, uh, you can't beat Trump without running

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<v Speaker 1>a white guy. Um, you know, that's you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a perception many women have, many people of

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<v Speaker 1>color have, uh you know, just given the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump voter and what happened with Hillary Clinton, so

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<v Speaker 1>that I respect that the big piece of what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're they're wrong. He had a young, mixed

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<v Speaker 1>race black man beating the thoroughly reasonable and decent Romney

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<v Speaker 1>and then beat John McCain war here like a drum.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not sure if that's true, But Dana Milbanks,

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't know if it's true or not. I

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<v Speaker 1>just I just think that's a widespread and I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and there's a school of thought that Dano says,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta, you know, answer Trump in kind and that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, somebody who's taking uh you know, more extreme

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<v Speaker 1>less positions is the right way to go. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're an uncharted territory here, you'd be a

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<v Speaker 1>terrible talk radio host, Dana immediately your omniscient. Hey, listen

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<v Speaker 1>speaking old Joe and I have no particular animals towards

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden whatsoever. I just believe he's terrible at running

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<v Speaker 1>for president. He's a great candidate until he starts to

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<v Speaker 1>be a candidate. And I just I think he's probably

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come off as as old, a little slow, a

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<v Speaker 1>little outdated. Again tonight, how would you rate his game

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<v Speaker 1>at this point? You know, he's he's the guy, uh is.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminds me a little bit of Gore, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of carry Um. He has a way of sort

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<v Speaker 1>of reading out the stage instruction is like and then

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<v Speaker 1>next debate, I'm going to be really tough. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you're not supposed to say that, You're just supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. Um. So yeah, it's it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit uh painful to watch. Um I don't think I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's uh, you know, he's he's certainly pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good at the retail politics, you know, showing up at

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<v Speaker 1>the ice cream shop, and he's got this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, regular guy uh touch, so that in that sense,

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<v Speaker 1>he's uh in a better place than than Gore and

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<v Speaker 1>and and carry word. But he definitely has the ability,

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know to put his foot in his mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, I think it's gonna happen. Well, one more

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<v Speaker 1>critique of CNN and how they did and again you're

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<v Speaker 1>damned if you do, damned if you don't. But they

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<v Speaker 1>set up everything as a conflict. Hey, Delany, she said

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<v Speaker 1>something mean about you and you said something about him.

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<v Speaker 1>Respond to it? How do how do you feel about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Just just trying to start, I wrote about uh Maryan Williamson.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I thought she was the winner of the debate,

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<v Speaker 1>and because of this, they were sort of goating. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody to fight with each other. And she's like, people,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna do this, you know you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>beat Donald Trump, and uh, you know, let's get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of this wankiness and just you know, you know, talk

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<v Speaker 1>to the people, talk to the American people. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>of course that's exactly the right thing to do. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it was, you know, particularly in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with the healthcare squabble. And that's what I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pickering over over small differences. That's really all

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<v Speaker 1>that they were doing through the night. Dana Millbank of

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post, Dana, we sure enjoy every chance we

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<v Speaker 1>get to chat. Thanks a million for the time. It's

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<v Speaker 1>my pleasure. Thanks all right, well done, well done. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who knows democratic politics talking about the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go. All I agree with him on

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<v Speaker 1>virtually nothing, but man, I love the chance to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to him. And can't we all just come together that way?

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<v Speaker 1>My friends? Aren't we all Americans? Yes? We are. If

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<v Speaker 1>they set up tonight's debate the same way, there's gonna

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