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Speaker 3: Touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. Oh

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Speaker 3: that was nasty right there, Rights slamming the ground by

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Speaker 3: fooda baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 2: I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul calvic.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: I guess the good news right off the top is

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Speaker 2: as someone who's known for maybe going on a rain

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Speaker 2: there's no chance I'm ever going to approach what a

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Speaker 2: congressman just did talking for twenty five plus hours straight

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Speaker 2: and supposedly not using the restroom while holding the floor.

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Speaker 2: I'm calling fishy fishy on that. We'll get into that

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Speaker 2: a little bit later and maybe the whole torpedo Bat says,

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Speaker 2: we interrupt this NonStop coverage of mock drafts this time

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Speaker 2: of year to welcome Darren Urban back to the Azy

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Speaker 2: Danny sirek. You know, you both left me behind for Indianapolis,

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Speaker 2: but then Darren left both of us behind for Florida,

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Speaker 2: So you okay with that?

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Speaker 5: My mic wasn't on. Apologies to any of our listeners

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Speaker 5: who may be residing in Florida, but no, I do

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Speaker 5: not feel like I missed out on anything by Darren

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Speaker 5: being in the state of Florida, So fine by me.

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Speaker 2: Turns out Darren packed an extra bag home from Florida

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Speaker 2: and it contained Koalais Campbell well done? Did you go

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Speaker 2: on a recruiting mission? Was that a covert recruiting mission?

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Speaker 6: No, it was not, But I obviously that turned out

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Speaker 6: pretty well for the Cardinals, don't you think. I mean,

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Speaker 6: and I know you guys just talked about this for

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Speaker 6: a good amount of time on cover two yesterday, but.

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Speaker 2: I haven't stopped smiling since the press release came out.

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Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, Paul, you and I, well, you have

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Speaker 6: a really close relationship with Klais because of all those

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Speaker 6: that I'm pretty tight with Kalais myself. And the idea

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Speaker 6: of bringing in a guy who not only can still

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Speaker 6: play even though he's going to turn thirty nine before

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Speaker 6: the regular season starts, but what he brings the locker room,

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Speaker 6: the kind of person he is, the kind of leadership

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Speaker 6: talking about how it's a no brainer for five and

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Speaker 6: a half million dollars. I really see absolutely no downside

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Speaker 6: to this whatsoever, and only upside. I made a mentioned

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Speaker 6: in my blog that if you look at the numbers

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Speaker 6: he put up last year, there would be players fifteen

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Speaker 6: years younger than him that would love to have a

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Speaker 5: If Khalaius Campbell had been a cardinal last year, he

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Speaker 5: would have been tied for most sacks by a player

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Speaker 5: at thirty eight, there is no downside to this. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Campbell has been reliable and consistent, the fact that he

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Speaker 5: last year, this is a huge addition.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you put a thought bubble over my

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Speaker 2: trade deadline was fast approaching. During one of the commercial breaks,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're chopping it up. Hey, what are the

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Speaker 2: bit later. According to reports, Cardinals were one of several

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Speaker 2: teams who kicked the tires who inquired about Kaleis Campbell.

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Speaker 6: Look, this is a player who left such an imprint

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Speaker 2: And by the way, when he went to Jacksonville, he

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Speaker 2: Cardinals went down to the wire, but Jacksonville reset the

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Speaker 6: Know, and again I don't the Cardinals wanted to keep him.

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Speaker 6: They weren't going to give him a record amount of money.

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Speaker 6: And I love Klais, but if you thought he was

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Speaker 2: I mean, he played as our Jimo Mondroe reminded us.

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Speaker 2: He played in the Super Bowl for the Cardinals. He

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Speaker 2: was a rookie in the eight season. There are just

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Speaker 2: so many different mind blows. He's eleven years older than

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Speaker 6: He played more special teams snaps last year than he

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Speaker 2: Because that was our first impression of Kalayis was his

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Speaker 6: Well, you love having a guy like that potentially blocking kicks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you know what, he's third all time since

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Speaker 6: All I know is he's back in the locker room

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Speaker 6: to talk to. That's right, and that's what I love.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Danny and I kicked that around on Cardinals

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Speaker 2: Craig Grilow and we talked about how the second half

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon late in the year. Maybe it was even

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Speaker 2: and he admitted, Yeah, we have to examine that. We

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Speaker 2: have to drill deep into that, see if there's some

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Speaker 2: sort of cause and effect. Look, this team is already

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Speaker 2: loaded at d line. So to your point about leadership, Danny,

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Speaker 2: do you think this ties directly into whatever assessment the

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Speaker 2: Cardinals made what exactly happened going two and five out

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Speaker 5: One hundred percent? Bringing in that type of leader. This

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Speaker 5: is a very young locker room, and there are a

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Speaker 5: with the trajectory that the Cardinals have been on up

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Speaker 5: two years under Monty awesome for it and Gannon. Leadership

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Speaker 5: still makes such a difference, and I think that's something

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Speaker 5: we don't have that same sort of downfall the second

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Speaker 5: the Cardinals now have a significant amount more of than

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Speaker 5: just one player in Campbell than they did last year.

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Speaker 5: That's a type of player who is it's important, yes,

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Speaker 5: to be someone to lead by example. Well, sometimes you

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Speaker 5: need someone to leave with their voice, and you need

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Speaker 5: make sure that people are still in it and make

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Speaker 5: sure that even if you're playing from behind, you're not

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Speaker 5: having the mindset that you were out of it and

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Speaker 5: that if something like energy or focus is off, coaches

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Speaker 5: bring in Campbell really adds something that I think this

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Speaker 6: I'm happy. Then if they need a voice, they picked

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Speaker 6: the right one. Right, you're not going to miss that voice.

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Speaker 2: What he has left of his voice. He always does

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Speaker 2: he left in twenty sixteen. I vividly remember our video

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Speaker 2: it's like him, and he's like the pied piper. Everyone

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Speaker 2: But then how about building from the inside out in

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Speaker 2: a guy, I mean no longer is Calvin Beach. I'm

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Speaker 2: you know, guess what, there's Kaleis Campbell. He's gonna be

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Speaker 2: even like a Kyler Murray in some regards, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: And I wouldn't be shocked Darren based on Kalais Campbell

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Speaker 6: Here's here's kind of how I look at this is.

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Speaker 6: the way MANI awesome, Fort is going to approach all

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Speaker 6: And you're not gonna go willy nilly, I know talking

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Speaker 6: even after the Campbell thing, they have it a significant

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Speaker 6: you want to add stuff, but he's never gon. It

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Speaker 6: was never about I'm going to get all this cap

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Speaker 6: be like, I'm gonna be smart about these deals.

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Speaker 2: Because if MONI needs a list, I'll give them a list. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you know a number two receiver starting guard.

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Speaker 6: But he You know, if you look a lot of

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Speaker 6: You need good players on the field, that is the

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Speaker 6: of it's stupid. But if you can get players that

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Speaker 5: Just because you bring in a veteran doesn't mean they're

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Speaker 5: Because sometimes if you've been in the league for five

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Speaker 2: And look at last year, even the number four pick

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Speaker 6: To where I said a couple of times, he might

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Speaker 2: Okay, Darren's waiting. Darre's been waiting a long time, several

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Speaker 2: months for me to say the following. Darren was right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's enough business.

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Speaker 5: I do like the all in thought because the Cardinals

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Speaker 5: The Rams are continuing to get older. They decided to

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Speaker 5: With the off season they've had in San Francisco's window

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Speaker 5: this is the time for the Cardinals. To me, this

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Speaker 6: I'm curious.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's a pretty bold statement, No it is.

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Speaker 5: What do you guys? Maybe not disagree and now, look,

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Speaker 5: a lot can change in the off season. I understand that.

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Speaker 6: What how is she might do that?

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Speaker 5: How would you feel differently based on what is going

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Speaker 6: West run Now, I guess for me, I'm curious to

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Speaker 5: Is Davante Adams still DeVante Adams.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't know right, that's not as I will say this.

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Speaker 6: I do think Devanta Adams at this point in his

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Speaker 2: Considering the way Sean McVay courted DeVante Adams. He's definitely

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Speaker 6: I will say I tend to agree about the forty

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Speaker 6: figure out who's being more goofy about this, the forty

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Speaker 6: nine ers with Party or the cowboys with Parsons.

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Speaker 5: Why do you look at me?

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Speaker 6: I don't know. Here's the I mean, the answer is

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Speaker 2: And nobody enjoys from afar the demise of the last

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Speaker 2: place forty nine ers like yours, truly, but they do

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Speaker 2: have premiere players at premier positions. If Brock Party is back,

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Speaker 2: he's been good enough, proven enough to get them through

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Speaker 2: the playoffs and in through the postseason. Christian McCaffrey back

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Speaker 2: at running back, he Trent Williams at left tackle, Nick

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Speaker 2: Boci your edge rusher health.

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Speaker 5: I understand this is the time of the year, best

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Speaker 5: But just based off what we saw from those teams

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Speaker 2: I will say this, if you're the rest of the

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Speaker 2: but you know D Line Edition.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they could move a bus. That would be

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Speaker 2: Do you ended last year with some guys who didn't

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Speaker 2: and then you resign L. J. Collier, You added Dalvin Tomlinson.

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Speaker 2: think of what a Klayus Campbell could be with a

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Speaker 2: you are. You're loaded. Like Darren's dinner plate at the

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Speaker 6: Well, here's my question. Sand between his toes, you know,

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Speaker 6: I didn't see any water whatsoever other than some rain.

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Speaker 6: There was some rain in the horrible humidity of Florida.

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Speaker 6: What happens now in this All we were talking about

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Speaker 5: A defensive line doesn't change a whole lot, Darren.

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Speaker 2: I mean I made the joke the other day with Grielou.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, Cardinals are this is before Kalais Cambell.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals are still draft in D line in round one

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Speaker 2: to round two. Right, you don't walk into a barbecue

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Speaker 2: joint and order the avocado toast. I mean, this draft

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Speaker 2: is deep in defensive line.

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Speaker 5: So that was such a San Francisco it's saying it's confounding,

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Speaker 2: If this draft is so deep in d line, the

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Speaker 6: Collier.

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Speaker 5: No, necessarily when you look at the contracts, yeah, a

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Speaker 6: Of those guys could be gone next year because.

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Speaker 5: Yes, a lot of them have contracts through the twenty

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Speaker 6: I still think there's going to be a defensive lineman

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Speaker 6: but I'm at this point if there's an offensive lineman

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Speaker 6: it's not offensive.

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Speaker 5: The door is much more open for a position other

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Speaker 6: Again, talking to Monty at the owner's meetings, and I

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Speaker 6: I still think it's going to be somebody in the

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Speaker 6: don't think it'll be a wide receiver. I really don't.

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Speaker 5: But why not. We've talked about a speedy receiver.

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Speaker 6: We have talked about it, a speed receiver. But then

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Speaker 6: I wasn't. I did not get the sense that they're

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Speaker 5: They're not. They're not listening to Cardinals underground.

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Speaker 6: And taking Oh, they're listening to us, and then they're

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Speaker 6: just giving us. They're just shaking their heads like well.

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Speaker 2: Because people, because we we've gone way too long without

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Speaker 2: mentioning a mock draft the latest at NFL dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Eric at home. I guess he's one of the Uh,

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Speaker 2: he's one of the editors, right, He's been doing this

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Speaker 2: a long time. Two point zero number sixteen overall. Arizona

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Speaker 2: Cardinals select Jday Baron out of Texas, the Jim Thorpe

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Speaker 2: Award winner as the top dB in the Land, first

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Speaker 6: No so.

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Speaker 2: But but again, I'm going back to will Johnson out

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Speaker 6: Again, I sometimes I look at these squad and reports

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Speaker 2: Also has potential to cross train as a safety. So

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Speaker 2: did you talking about Baron? Are we talking about talking

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Speaker 6: I did not ask, but I would I I'm going

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Speaker 5: Paul, are you Are you itching for another hybrid player?

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Speaker 5: Is that what I'm taking from this?

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Speaker 2: Because the Isaiah Simmons went so well well, and again

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Speaker 2: the Jalen Thompson thing, it's one thing I'm talking about

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Speaker 6: It's another thing talking about twenty twenty six. He's going

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Speaker 2: Work a year ahead?

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Speaker 6: We all know that. So it's so you could have

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Speaker 2: There are just certain things I'm not buying in this draft.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I still want to see what the card

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Speaker 2: end Tyler Warren, Right, I mean out of Penn State

438
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Speaker 2: going like number five overall to Jacksonville. Really you're gonna

439
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Speaker 2: go with a tight end? Haven't teams learned at a

440
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Speaker 2: tight end? And the top five is just asking to

441
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Speaker 2: be a brutal mistake, haven't they? So I don't know

442
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Speaker 2: I'm buying that.

443
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Speaker 6: If you could get it with well, I guess it

444
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,919
Speaker 6: would depend on who. I mean. Is Trey McBride if

445
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 6: you knew he was gonna be what he is now,

446
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Speaker 6: is he a top ten type of pick in the draft?

447
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Speaker 2: That's a good question. Yeah, that's why I asked, Look

448
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 2: the in terms of what he can do, yes, but

449
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 2: in terms of where you can get tight ends, no,

450
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 2: meaning you have to know the value of different position

451
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Speaker 2: groups on the board, and so most of the time

452
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Speaker 2: they're not value that high.

453
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Speaker 5: Darren, when you were down in Florida over under twenty times,

454
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Speaker 5: how many times did you hear the word tush?

455
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Speaker 6: There were there were there were quite a few tushes

456
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Speaker 6: more than twenty spoken. Uh, probably, yeah, there's there had

457
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Speaker 6: to have been.

458
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Speaker 5: So what's the four one one on the tush Push

459
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Speaker 5: for those who might not be aware of what was

460
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Speaker 5: brought up at the owner's meetings.

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Speaker 6: I'm glad we're getting to this because it was I

462
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Speaker 6: was feeling you want to talk about it. I feel

463
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Speaker 6: very serious. This podcast got very serious this week.

464
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Speaker 5: Oh and this is we're not talking about Mike Tyson.

465
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Speaker 2: Well, you're you're hanging out with the decision makers. So

466
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Speaker 2: a serious edition I the.

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Speaker 6: Toush push has been tabled. Half the teams want to

468
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Speaker 6: get rid of it. Half the teams don't. You have

469
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Speaker 6: to get three fourths of a team to change a rule.

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Speaker 6: What I find most fascinating about the whole tush push

471
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Speaker 6: thing is Rich McKay, who is the co chair of

472
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Speaker 6: the Competition Committee and also the president of the Atlanta Falcons.

473
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Speaker 6: He basically said, we do not like having discussions about

474
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Speaker 6: rules that are basically trying to change something that one

475
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Speaker 6: team or two teams do really well. And the bottom

476
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Speaker 6: line is, while all teams have probably run it in

477
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 6: some way, shape or form, there's only two teams that

478
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Speaker 6: did it more than five times last year, and it

479
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 6: was the Eagles and the Bills. And it does feel like,

480
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Speaker 6: oh kind of punitive in that regard now.

481
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Speaker 2: And the team that does it best has a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: The squad six on the round works.

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Speaker 6: Now, I'm gonna sit here and say that I don't

484
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Speaker 6: particularly like it, and I didn't realize until everybody started

485
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Speaker 6: doing it that See, I thought it was illegal to

486
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Speaker 6: push a player and a pull up player, and it

487
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Speaker 6: had been up until two thousand and four, and then

488
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Speaker 6: for they decided for whatever reason, I don't know how

489
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Speaker 6: that became a thing. They felt like officials were struggling

490
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Speaker 6: down the field and offensive linemen were flying down a

491
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Speaker 6: block and whether they were actually blocking or pushing a

492
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Speaker 6: player was too hard for officials to discern, so they

493
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 6: just took the rule out and then everybody kind of

494
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 6: ignored it up until the toush push showed up. But

495
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Speaker 6: I personally don't like it. I don't think any player

496
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Speaker 6: should be able to be pushed or pulled. Trey McBride

497
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Speaker 6: going in for the touchdown against the Ravens that I

498
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Speaker 6: thought that was kind of a joke. Touchdown, to be honest.

499
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Speaker 6: Back in what was at twenty twenty two three three?

500
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Speaker 6: I think it was three. I think it was after

501
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Speaker 6: Kyler came back where he caught it at like the

502
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Speaker 6: seven and then like I don't know why the whistle

503
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Speaker 6: didn't blow, and then like forty two people were all

504
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Speaker 6: in a big slob when they walked into the end zone.

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Speaker 2: So is Kaleis Campbell maybe your secret antidote against the

506
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Speaker 2: toush push? You know? Is he a guy in there.

507
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Speaker 6: That antidote? He's my quarterback on fourth and one? Now, baby,

508
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Speaker 6: that's true. I'm gonna I'm gonna put I'm gonna put

509
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Speaker 6: Darius Robinson and Justin Jones behind Kalais Campbell and went

510
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 6: good freakin' luck.

511
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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be the first time that Kalaius has had

512
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Speaker 2: the ball in his hands in an NFL game. Let's

513
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Speaker 2: go into the cold tub, time machine. You're ready for

514
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 2: this because a lot of us, yours truly included thought.

515
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: The last home game ever played by Kalias Campbell in

516
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Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals uniform was December eighteenth of twenty sixteen

517
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: against New Orleans when this happened.

518
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Speaker 3: On second and twenty A pass play for Breeze in

519
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Speaker 3: trouble fumbles the ball and it's caught out of the

520
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Speaker 3: air by Campbell and he's running free at the thirty

521
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Speaker 3: At the twenty. He'll take it all the way and

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Speaker 3: into the end zone for the cardinal touchdown. It might

523
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Speaker 3: be Khalias Campbell's final home game, and if that's the case,

524
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Speaker 3: what a way to go out a fumble recovery for

525
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Speaker 3: a touchdown?

526
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a tree run.

527
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Speaker 6: Like one of J. R. R. Tolkien's ends?

528
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Speaker 1: Attacking isn't guard?

529
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Speaker 3: Kaleius Campbell caught the ball out of the air and

530
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Speaker 3: took it.

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Speaker 6: To the house.

532
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Speaker 4: You know, you out there, you play hard, you know,

533
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 4: and good things happening. You know. I gotta take my

534
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 4: hat off to de Marcus Golden. You know, he made

535
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 4: a big time, big time play. I've had a lot

536
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 4: of fun playing in the stadium, you know, just hanging

537
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 4: with the burg gang. The energy I fed off it

538
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 4: for nine years, you know, and it's it's been quite

539
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 4: the pleasure.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to figure out, Paul if almost trying to

541
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Speaker 6: make everybody feel more and more bad that Wolf is

542
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 6: retiring as he plays his greatest hits of stuff like that,

543
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Speaker 6: knowing we're not going to have it.

544
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an all time wolflysm right there. There's there's

545
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Speaker 2: no doubt. People don't believe me. What he's reading on

546
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Speaker 2: the team playing. If it isn't like fourteenth century stuff,

547
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: you know that that's kind of stuff he's reading, and

548
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: then boom he works it into the broadcast.

549
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Speaker 6: My question now is when we're gonna have a soon

550
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Speaker 6: to be thirty nine year old player, does he is

551
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Speaker 6: he going to come in to get cultured with us?

552
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Speaker 6: When Danny does getting cultured? Wow?

553
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Speaker 2: Is that a segue?

554
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Speaker 6: I think it could be.

555
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Danny will segue.

556
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Speaker 5: To you getting cultured with Danny. It is not just

557
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Speaker 5: directed at.

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Speaker 2: Paul am I the d uncultured philistine around here.

559
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Speaker 6: Yes, he got me very excited.

560
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 5: Now I am on social media and consume more pop

561
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 5: culture than both of you combined.

562
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: I think I'm being unfairly profiled. But go ahead, what go.

563
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 5: Cleaning out your ears with that sharpie in your ear?

564
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Speaker 2: Paul. By the way, Khalaius Campbell that postgame interview that

565
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: was in the locker room afterwards, six foot eighty uses

566
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 2: me as a barstool and he likes to sweat all

567
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Speaker 2: over me. So that's the one aspect of not quite

568
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Speaker 2: looking forward to in his return.

569
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Speaker 6: How much sweat have you absorbed from players over the years, Paul.

570
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Speaker 2: Danny take it away, Okay, with pleasure.

571
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Speaker 5: We're going to keep this one a little shorter. They

572
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Speaker 5: are actually under the same umbrella, you guys, believers.

573
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Speaker 6: I never have been, to be honest.

574
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 5: No believers. Justin Bieber fans.

575
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Speaker 2: That's a hard note.

576
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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, sad sad news. If you are a believer,

577
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 5: he's kind of been crashing out on social media, so.

578
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Speaker 6: It has your place to crash out.

579
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 5: Yeah. It has to do with Selena Gomez, a singer

580
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 5: who recently got engaged to Benny Blanco, who was a

581
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 5: music producer. Selena and Justin Dayton off and on from

582
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Speaker 5: twenty eleven to roughly twenty eighteen. Okay, they were like

583
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 5: if you were growing up like around my age at

584
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 5: that time. They were like the it teenage couple. Okay.

585
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,239
Speaker 5: Peaks of their career. Six months after Selena Gomez and

586
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 5: Justin Bieber broke up, Justin Bieber was married to Hailey

587
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 5: Baldwin now Hailey Bieber at the time, so like a

588
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 5: seven year relationship and then within six months they got married.

589
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 6: Okay, probably.

590
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 5: Well, now now that Selena has recently gotten engaged, Justin

591
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 5: is posting all kinds of cryptic messages on his social media.

592
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 5: He's posting radically on Instagram, essentially mocking women who post

593
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 5: a lot about getting engaged all kinds of things while

594
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 5: he has a wife and a child at home. Weird

595
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 5: stuff going on.

596
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Speaker 2: So with Charlie Sheen type meltdown, is that what we're

597
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: not great?

598
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 5: Not great behavior yet? Moving on to Sidney Sweeney and

599
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 5: Glenn Powell question mark two actors who were in Anyone.

600
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Speaker 2: I know Glenn Powell from a Top Gun Maverick.

601
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 6: There you go.

602
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 5: Oh, they were in the movie Anyone but You. It

603
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 5: was a wrong com It was very cute. It gave

604
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 5: off like how to lose a guy in ten day

605
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 5: vibes if you get the reference, which you probably don't

606
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 5: help the point of this entire segment. So Sidney Sweeney

607
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 5: recently ended a roughly three year engagement and shortly after

608
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: was seen at Glenn's sister's wedding, sparking dating rumors between

609
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 5: the two former co workers. They would make a pretty

610
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 5: attractive couple. And that's it. You've now been cultured. You're welcome.

611
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's silacious. That was a slacious edition right there. Okay,

612
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: that was.

613
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 6: We didn't even mention Selena Golmez being in Only Murders

614
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 6: on the Building.

615
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 5: Oh, I love that show.

616
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 6: Okay.

617
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: Nothing from the nightlife in Florida, Darren, You're not going

618
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: to chime in with anything.

619
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Speaker 6: It was a very quick in and out kind of thing.

620
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 6: I got in Sunday night. There was the NFL reception

621
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Speaker 6: Monday night, and I was traveling all day Tuesday afternoon,

622
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 6: so no, there was no nightlife. I was getting up

623
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 6: at three point thirty in the morning, Arizona time for

624
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 6: like three days in a row. Isn't that enough? Okay?

625
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 6: All right?

626
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: So what other takeaways from talking to MANI JG. I

627
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: know BMI came up. I have no idea why, you

628
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: know what? It is a little bit everything.

629
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Speaker 6: I thought it was interesting. Uh you talk about the BMI.

630
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 6: That's body mass index. Somebody decided to go so so

631
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 6: at the at the owners meetings, the there's a Monday

632
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 6: Monday morning early like seven forty five, the AFC coaches talk,

633
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 6: and then Tuesday morning the NFC coaches talk. And when

634
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 6: Jonathan Gannon talked on Tuesday, I was the only Arizona

635
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 6: media member there. So there was some pockets where other

636
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 6: media members could come up and ask various questions and

637
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 6: to get just a coach to answer something. Somebody decided

638
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 6: to ask Jonathan Ganna about body mass index, and I'm thinking, oh, okay,

639
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 6: I wonder what kind of response this is going to be.

640
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 6: That's really kind of out there. It looked like Jonathan

641
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 6: Gannon loved answering this question. It's it's a very important

642
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 6: topic to him, body mass index and where his player's

643
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 6: laying on these things.

644
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: Is a guy who's working out at five in the morning, okay,

645
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: and does like that that cold tub plunge after his workouts,

646
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: and if you've been around him, like he won't eat

647
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: carbs bread. I mean, like, so I'm not shocked at

648
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: that one.

649
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Speaker 4: No.

650
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Speaker 6: And to make a long story show, I mean, he

651
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 6: they they make sure the Cardinals make sure that all

652
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 6: the positions are in a certain range. He did say,

653
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 6: like there can be outlayers and they'll they'll they'll talk

654
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 6: about certain circumstances with players, but for the most part,

655
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Speaker 6: they expect their players to be within this range. And

656
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Speaker 6: I just thought it was interesting he talked all about

657
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Speaker 6: this kind of matter of factly, and at the very

658
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Speaker 6: end he goes, I don't like overweight players, and the

659
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 6: way he said it, I'm the I don't think i'd

660
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 6: want to be an overweight player if Jonathan Gannon was my.

661
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Speaker 5: There's there's different philosophies. When I was in Dallas at

662
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Speaker 5: one point there was a defensive coach who preferred kind

663
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 5: of those beefy defensive linemen. The thought was, Okay, I

664
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 5: don't need you to be super faster or athletic per se.

665
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 5: I just need you to clog the gaps. When you

666
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 5: look at Arizona's defensive line room, though they're pretty trim

667
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 5: all things considered, a lot of them are built, pretty broader,

668
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 5: they're tall, and yes, they are going to be the

669
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 5: bigger players, which obviously they're in the trenches. They're they're

670
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 5: pretty fit though for a defensive line room.

671
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: You're right, there's no like Vince Wolfork in there. You

672
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: know that kind of guy. You're right, No, that's that's interesting.

673
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: By the way, BM, I would have askedim about Isaiah Adams,

674
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: how much weight does Isaiah Adams put on coach in

675
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: the off season.

676
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 5: To ask people about their weight.

677
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 6: Paul better be good weight.

678
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: By the way, what about the whole speed receiver thing.

679
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: I saw one uh synopsis of what Jonathan Gannon told

680
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: the media at the breakfast table that he supposedly quote

681
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: hinted at adding a speed adding a receiver by the

682
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 2: time the off season is over. Did you get that

683
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: vibe from the head coach that a receiver's.

684
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Speaker 6: Curious to know? Who said that? Would you like to?

685
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 6: Would you?

686
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: I just googled up real quick the whole I was

687
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: actually looking for something from you, and on Twitter, I

688
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: googled up. I saw a series of tweets from different

689
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: NFL media providers and someone putting out again.

690
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 5: On Twitter, you googled it?

691
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

692
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 6: Search.

693
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 5: I'm just making sure I.

694
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Speaker 2: Hear the laughing in there. What dot me do? I

695
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: search functioned on Twitter?

696
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 6: You know, I will say, you know Gannet.

697
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: By the way, there was this business forecaster I listened

698
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: to much of this stuff. There was a business forecaster

699
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: who like in Google to be in the next Kodak right,

700
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: like it's going out of business and is going to

701
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: be outdated in a in a lickety split because of

702
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: Chad Gpt and the other deep seek. And so I've

703
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: been asking all the young people around and the teenagers

704
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: that come parading through my house about, you know, whether

705
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: they've stopped using Google or not, and they're like, absolutely

706
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: not here. I thought that was an outrageous inflammatory statement

707
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: to like in Google to Eastman Koda.

708
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Speaker 6: Well, here's part of the problem with Google.

709
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 4: Though.

710
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 6: Part of the problem is it's people have figured out

711
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 6: how to game the system, and so when you search stuff,

712
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 6: it's getting harder and harder to really find what you're

713
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 6: looking for because people have figured out how to game it.

714
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 6: So that's I think that's part of the problem. But anyways,

715
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 6: where were we I have no freaking idea.

716
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: Now did you get that?

717
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Speaker 5: I would love to know a lot.

718
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 6: What I was going to say is at the owners meetings,

719
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Speaker 6: It's it's not like John, these the coaches and gms

720
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Speaker 6: are walking around. It's possible. I don't know who tweeted

721
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 6: that out, because if it was a national guy, I

722
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Speaker 6: could see potential him stopping to talk to a national

723
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 6: guy at some point, and that got brought up. If

724
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Speaker 6: it's somebody who would have been at the table. Oh

725
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 6: and by the way, there was nobody at the table

726
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 6: besides me from Arizona. So I'm just saying, if you

727
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 6: find something on Twitter or elsewhere about what Jonathan Gannon

728
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 6: said at the Owners meetings, from an Arizona reporter's.

729
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: Grand theft content.

730
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 6: Yes, drop the mic anyways, So here's here's what I

731
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 6: brought up, the speed receiver stuff. I don't know if

732
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 6: he was talking about just receiver when I brought up

733
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 6: speed receiver to both Now Monty, I had him one

734
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 6: on one when I brought up Gannon to the receiver thing. Look,

735
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 6: I don't think they're going to turn down a guy

736
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 6: who's got speed that can do these things. But what

737
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 6: did Jonathan Gannon say to me when I asked him

738
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Speaker 6: about a speed receiver. The first words of out of

739
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 6: his mouth the same thing he says every time he

740
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 6: gets brought a receiver question gets brought up to him.

741
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 6: He's got to be able to get open and catch

742
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 6: the ball. And then it's you know, and can you

743
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 6: run after the catch? I don't and manty kind of

744
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 6: MANI was kind of gave me the sense that speed itself,

745
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 6: like how many times a you're gonna need that per game,

746
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 6: that you're gonna actually use it where you'd actually throw

747
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 6: it to them four or five maximum? And if they

748
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 6: can't do all these other things, you know, I don't

749
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 6: know it. I got struck by that answer and the

750
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 6: fact that Jonathan Gannon sounded a lot more upbeat about

751
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 6: what Zay Jones could give them than you would think.

752
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 6: And I know I brought this up on the podcast before,

753
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 6: but like for the people saying, well why not, I'mani Cooper.

754
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 6: I'm telling you right now, I could totally see this

755
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 6: front office and coaching staff saying why do we need

756
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 6: Amari Cooper. We've got somebody like Jay Jones.

757
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 5: It makes sense. I think there's also question marks, do

758
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 5: you have that speedy receiver in Tejon Palmer Xavier Weaver

759
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 5: from last year who didn't see the field. I love

760
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 5: the idea of having a speedy receiver, we all have.

761
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 5: We've talked about that. On the po of having somebody

762
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 5: stretch the field. You have to start thinking, though, especially

763
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Speaker 5: if it's going to be someone where you're going to

764
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 5: have to give right a good amount of money to

765
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Speaker 5: how often are they going to get targets When you've

766
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 5: got Marvin Harrison Junior and Michael Wilson, you've got Trey McBride,

767
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 5: you's James Connor out of the backfield. If they want

768
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 5: to use a Jones a little bit more, maybe it's

769
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 5: possible that the Cardinals value a little bit more, the

770
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 5: qualities that they have in the players rather than just

771
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 5: someone like a Tyreek Hill.

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Speaker 2: Day three, if they take a speed receiver, it'll be

773
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Speaker 2: day three in the draft for everything you just said. Yeah,

774
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Speaker 2: I don't think they attach enough value or they'll get

775
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: enough use out of a speed receiver to take them

776
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: on day one or day two. And they might already

777
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: have that guy in the roster in Xavier Weaver. The

778
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: problem is if you're going to have that guy who

779
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: has that sort of specific and limited role, you better

780
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: be able to play all the teams. And Xavier Weaver,

781
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: for example, doesn't exactly have a spot on ten.

782
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 6: And again that's the issue that you have.

783
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: So okay, all right, well guess what. It's never a

784
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: bad time to introduce winning behavior.

785
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 6: Can you display winning behavior?

786
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: You have to consistently display winning behavior. That's winning behavior.

787
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 5: You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold

788
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 5: people to that standard.

789
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, I love this arm length measurements got

790
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 2: all jacked up? Are you sure it's just the arm length?

791
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 2: Because my favorite, my favorite moment so far the off

792
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 2: season player evaluation process is cam Ward potentially the number

793
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: one pick overall, who went from like eight and three

794
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 2: fourths of a hand size to nine and three eights

795
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: from the Senior Bowl to the combine.

796
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 6: I do think I do think the measurements got jacked up.

797
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 6: That it's been clear because it kind of got big

798
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 6: with Will Campbell the LSU tackle.

799
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's costing him potentially a lot of money.

800
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 6: Not anymore because they're realizing that as these guys do

801
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 6: the pro days and they're getting re measured by NFL people,

802
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 6: that the numbers of the combine were wrong. I saw it.

803
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 6: I don't know who it was, and I don't know,

804
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 6: but supposedly, supposedly, the rumor that I saw going around

805
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 6: was that whatever the NFL scout was or the NFL

806
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 6: dude who was doing those measurements at the combine messed

807
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 6: it up. And at some point somebody actually said I

808
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 6: don't think you're doing that right, and he refused to

809
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 6: listen to him. Now I don't know if that's true

810
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 6: or not, but all I know is all these linemen

811
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 6: all their all their arm length issues. There there's been

812
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 6: issues there, So that's that's not winning behavior.

813
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: Maybe he was doing in the metrics system and it

814
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: didn't you know, compute it. I'm not exactly all right,

815
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: you know what, I think we need some performance broadcasting. Yes,

816
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: and no one does it better these days than Kyle Brandt.

817
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: Good Morning Football. Here's what he had to say about

818
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: after taking a look at the coach's picture, which is

819
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 2: an annual thing, right the owners making.

820
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 6: All the coaches get together for a group photo, and

821
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 6: they all look like they love it.

822
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: Okay, Kyle Brandt on JG to go.

823
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: With what works award. I love this.

824
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 7: This guy's becoming a fixture in the segment of all people.

825
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 7: Jonathan Gannon go down to JG in the bottom left corner.

826
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: He knows what he likes.

827
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 6: He likes a tight fitting.

828
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 7: Polo into the khakis and check out JG's stunting on

829
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 7: him with the sockless loafers.

830
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: Gannon, you dog, I like it.

831
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 7: That is a cool look. He has worn the same

832
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 7: outfit pretty much every time, tight polo, sockless loafers. I

833
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 7: like that, he goes, but he's looking around. He's like, listen,

834
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 7: I doubled our wind total this year. What did you

835
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 7: guys do? I'll wear whatever the hell I want and

836
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 7: I'll be back next year.

837
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: If you see the video, Kyle Brant's out of his seat,

838
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, it's he gets an emmy every time

839
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: he busts into that pretty much.

840
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 5: The two of you both wear socks with your loafers.

841
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 5: U that's a good enough reason.

842
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 6: I mean, why else when you wear socks? I got

843
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 6: good socks.

844
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 5: Maybe he wears no show socks. Do they make those

845
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 5: for men?

846
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 7: Oh?

847
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 5: No, you know they make those for women, like a

848
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 5: no show sock. Do they make those for men?

849
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 6: They do? I wear them once in a while, and

850
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 6: that's possible. I think that should be a Cardinal's overtime

851
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 6: with Daniel get sheet to.

852
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 5: The bottom of the bottom of debacle.

853
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, not necessarily sock debacle, but like JG's.

854
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: Style, Darren's socks are way too fashionable for.

855
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 6: He has any tattoos or anything.

856
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: To attend and cover a press conference thrown by the

857
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: now Sacramento A's Uh, they held it in what is

858
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: the equivalent of a tool shed? Did you see the

859
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: picture of this? Is there anything? Is there any better

860
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: way to convey to the media. You don't matter, Then

861
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: we're gonna stuff you into a tool shed and then

862
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: go ahead and you can roll cameras.

863
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 5: According to the to the A's who does matter, I

864
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 5: mean the fans.

865
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 6: I mean that's part of the list. Is like if

866
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 6: they were in a tool shed and they were still

867
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 6: they were playing still in a major league stadium, that

868
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 6: would be kind of but like it reminds me one

869
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 6: of my all time favorite stories is back in the

870
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 6: Sun Devil Stadium days, you would go into there was

871
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 6: a press conference room. The Cardinals weren't using the ASU

872
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 6: locker room stuff, so they had to use extra locker

873
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 6: rooms on the other side of the stadium, and there

874
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 6: was a press conference room for the Cardinals, but for

875
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 6: visiting teams they had to set up. They set out

876
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 6: to tent outside with a podium. The final game of

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Speaker 6: the two thousand and four season, Darnell Dock had had

878
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 6: an interception of that game. I think the Cardinals beat

879
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 6: the Buccaneers, like nine to six something like that. I

880
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 6: can't even remember why I was in there, but I

881
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 6: ended up going to try and get some quotes from

882
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 6: John Gruden. Oh no, I didn't go on for John.

883
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 6: I heard about this, that's what it was. I heard

884
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 6: about it later. So one of my good friends was

885
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 6: covering the Buccaneers. His name with Chris Harry and uh.

886
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 6: And after John Gruden talked, we get back in the

887
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 6: old school press box at center of a stadium to

888
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 6: take an elevator all the way up, and they were

889
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 6: super slow, and it was like up to like just

890
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 6: below heaven. That went all the way up just below heaven,

891
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 6: so like you had this long elevator rice. But we're

892
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 6: waiting down there to go up on the elevators and

893
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 6: Chris Harry goes that that was unbelievable. I'm like, what happened?

894
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 6: And Chris Harry's like, we're sitting there and there was

895
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 6: a like an air conditioner or something blowing in there,

896
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 6: so you could barely hear the coach if you were

897
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 6: down off the podium. So all these reporters would get

898
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 6: up on this on the podium with the coach so

899
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 6: they could freaking hear him talk, and it was tight

900
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 6: and it was hard to tell. And Chris Harry's like,

901
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 6: I'm up there and this guy like grabbed me and

902
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get him off me, and I'm like,

903
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 6: what are you doing, dude? And then we like nearly

904
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 6: threw down and we fall off this odium and John

905
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 6: Gruden apparently paused and he's like what is going on

906
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 6: around here? In the middle of his press corference, John,

907
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 6: what is going on around here? And I'm hearing the story.

908
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 6: I'm like, that's incredible. We get up to the press

909
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 6: box and I passed Bob Hewing, the longtime radio guy,

910
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 6: AP guy. I'm like, hey, Bob, and he goes Man

911
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 6: he goes. I'm in John Gruden's press conference and I

912
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 6: get up on the podium and I start to slip

913
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 6: and I accidentally had to grab this guy from Tampa

914
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 6: Bay and he got angry at me and he thought

915
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 6: I was trying to pull him over, and we almost

916
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 6: had a fight. And I'm like, oh my god, I

917
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 6: know both the guys that were in the middle of

918
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 6: this thing.

919
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 5: So the Oakland A's not.

920
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 6: Not winning, not winning.

921
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 2: And you know, it's probably an upgrade from the Oakland

922
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: Coliseum whatever they have going at Sacramento.

923
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 6: But I don't I don't want to blame anybody for

924
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 6: not winning, Paul, because I was not winning.

925
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

926
00:43:54,280 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 6: Recently, okay, three days got on a plane to go

927
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 6: to the owner's meetings on Sunday morning. I don't know why,

928
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 6: but my flights were super early and got in super late.

929
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 6: So I my flight left at five point fifty. I

930
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 6: had like a what was supposed to be a three

931
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 6: and a half hour layover in Nashville turned into four

932
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 6: and a half hours because of a delay.

933
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 4: Wow.

934
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 6: But I'm sitting in Nashville for about an hour watching

935
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 6: something on one of the streaming services, trying to pass

936
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 6: the time, and my phone dings and it's my wife

937
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 6: and the text read, your computer is here? Did you

938
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 6: need that? As I'm waiting to get my second leg

939
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 6: of my flight to the owner's meetings where I'm going

940
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 6: to be writing constantly for two days.

941
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: See, my wife would a text you didn't take your computer?

942
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: Are you sure you're on a business trip?

943
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 6: I will say that I think she was trying to

944
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 6: let me down early. But I'm going to tell you

945
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 6: right now when you're about to head out to someplace

946
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 6: where you need your computer all the time, and you

947
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 6: don't have it, and there's nothing you can do about it,

948
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 6: and it's a Sunday, and you're not going to get

949
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 6: it because number one, they weren't going to send it

950
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 6: out until Monday, and it wouldn't come till Tuesday, and

951
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 6: I was already gonna be on the way back, and

952
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 6: I'm like, so, let me tell you something. The Darren

953
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 6: Urban of ten years ago would have had problems recovering

954
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 6: from that. But I'm a new, better Darren Urban.

955
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: Really okay, And let this story serves evidence and those

956
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:24,959
Speaker 2: who are dubious.

957
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 6: I made it. I made it work with a lot

958
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 6: of help from back here, from Craig Grielieu and Caitlin Epps,

959
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 6: and with my help from my good friend Darren Gant,

960
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 6: who is, for lack of a better term, panthers chatter

961
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 6: for the Carolina Panthers and been a good friend of mine.

962
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 6: He let me use his computer for a bit, and

963
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 6: so did the PR guy for the Panthers. He lent

964
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 6: me his computer, but I had to use my my iPad.

965
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 6: And let me tell you something. On top of everything,

966
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 6: the Kalayis Campbell story broke while I was on one

967
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 6: of my flights home, so I'm trying to put that

968
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 6: story together on my iPad with airplane internet. That was fun.

969
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 6: So generally I'm gonna say Darren Urban forgetting computer at home,

970
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 6: not winning behavior.

971
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: Well, Carolina's coming to town this year, so you know

972
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 2: you better do something nice for your for your besties

973
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: with Carolina panthees so you know it's good. Okay, Danny,

974
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: do you have any you know, struggles, challenges that you know, any,

975
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: any grievances you need to air over there?

976
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 5: Never lets go, I haven't.

977
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 6: We haven't had our sit down for our review yet.

978
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 6: That's next.

979
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: Oh oh wow, Okay, she'll have grievances with me.

980
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure.

981
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 2: Kah, All right, Well, I mean, you know, I think

982
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: I just say this from a self serving vantage point.

983
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 2: I'll leave you this final thought. I worked hard behind

984
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: the scenes to eliminate the Chain Gang because I'm sick

985
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 2: and tired of twenty years of standing behind those guys

986
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: on the sidelines. So no one is happier that they're

987
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 2: ushering in and actually embracing technology and spotting of football

988
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: by using the camera based tech that we have available

989
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: out there.

990
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 6: So boom.

991
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 2: You know, whatever it took, I'm glad they made it happen.

992
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: And the Chain Gang please go stand over by the

993
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: gatorade bars.

994
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 5: I'm not contributing to the demise of Google perhaps, and

995
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 5: I don't care.

996
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 6: Do you do realize I believe the Owner's meetings are

997
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 6: here next year. Are you guys all going to attend?

998
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 4: Now?

999
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 5: Do I have to commit right now.

1000
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 6: Probably not. We probably have some time.

1001
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: Knowing the NFL, we probably have to put on a

1002
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: credential request already, so at this point, so yeah, possibly, Okay,

1003
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: all right, look, I'm still smiling. Doesn't matter. You know,

1004
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: Darren can bring us down with some of his stories

1005
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: over there. But the Cardinals signed Klaas Campbell, so I'm

1006
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: still exactly in a very good mood on that front.

1007
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: And that'll do it for this edition of Cardinals Underground,

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