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Speaker 1: The John Anick and Kenny Florian Podcast, John Annik and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: I love him. I can't get enough of him. Let's

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Speaker 2: hear that both the Next Big.

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Speaker 1: Job, the Cooktopia, Fret Best.

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Speaker 2: Rock. I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved.

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: That's all.

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Speaker 3: Jesus I play. I you know I'm looking at the kid.

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Speaker 3: I'm going the wrong way. Sorry about that? Should I

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Speaker 3: grab a hat?

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Speaker 1: Should I grab a hat?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I think you're good. Welcome in everybody. It's episode four

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Speaker 1: eleven of the Akploring podcast. Ray long going, John anak

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Speaker 1: with you today? No Ken flow? So you try to

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Speaker 1: fix your hair when Kenny's here, you don't mess about

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Speaker 1: with your hair, but it seems today you wanted to

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Speaker 1: fix your hair and maybe you were trying to get

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Speaker 1: a hat.

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Speaker 3: John. It's a feudal attempoint. Kenny said, he's so perfect. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know why even bother I can't match that. So

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Speaker 3: I just go and you know, I go in old

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Speaker 3: not your raw, as they said.

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Speaker 1: So did you? And of course the cold brew is

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Speaker 1: never far from that left hand. Did you just work

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Speaker 1: out or no?

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I just got to the gym though.

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Speaker 4: We got a couple of guys.

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Speaker 1: So this is what you look like when you get

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Speaker 1: out of bed. Is that why the left side of

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Speaker 1: your head is just okay? So off the air just

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Speaker 1: before we began recording, and great to have you with us.

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Speaker 1: By the by the way, Midweek Antic Comploring Podcast presented

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Speaker 1: by DraftKings New Manton Joking Buckley coming up in a

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Speaker 1: couple of minutes. But we just had a few minutes

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Speaker 1: off the air without Jamaine Sterling and you sort of

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Speaker 1: said public enemy number one, and uh, he's been dodging strays.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's for sure, right, And I do think

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Speaker 1: think there is a measure of disrespect that Aljamin Sterling

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Speaker 1: has had to deal with, whether it's from the fan

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Speaker 1: base or the promotion. We talked about it a lot

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Speaker 1: on our Monday episode here on the Anakin Florian Podcast,

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Speaker 1: and there has since been a back and forth between

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Speaker 1: Dana White and al Joe. It's pretty crazy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the craziest thing for me and all of this is

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Speaker 1: that your guys actually competing on August nineteenth. But man,

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Speaker 1: a lot has transpired in the last forty eight hours

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Speaker 1: since we spoke on Monday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just, man, you know what it is.

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Speaker 4: As I'm getting older, if you get to know people

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Speaker 4: and talk to people, you could deal with them.

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Speaker 3: I'm a lot better. I just I just think the

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Speaker 3: whole thing is crazy, Like, you know, there's other champions

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Speaker 3: that haven't fought in a while, Like, why are you

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Speaker 3: fast tracking this guy turning around three months? And then

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Speaker 3: then you're threatened into an interim title for what reason?

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Speaker 3: Nobody even knew about that fight. Let him enjoy the

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Speaker 3: shudo fight for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting. Well, there are a few things at

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Speaker 1: play right. We have a pay per view in Salt

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Speaker 1: Lake City July twenty ninth that is now going to

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Speaker 1: be headlined by a BMF title, and then a few

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Speaker 1: weeks later August nineteenth, you needed a headliner in Boston.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps that could have been Joan way Lee and him

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Speaker 1: on to the lemos, but I think Dana White wants

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Speaker 1: be your guy and Sugarshan O'Malley more on that on

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Speaker 1: the back end. But now joining us is a man

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Speaker 1: who deserves all the shine that he's getting. This week

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Speaker 1: and the discretionary bonus, by the way, that we assume

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Speaker 1: is coming his way from UFC President Dana White, UFC

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Speaker 1: welterweight contender. New Man's a walking Buckley and I can

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Speaker 1: call him welterweight contender my top twenty right now. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis's finest, big weekend for you, man. And I

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Speaker 5: My man was the better man that night, you know

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna keep it the honey. I quit.

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Speaker 5: But like I said, LFA caught me again. I ain't

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Speaker 2: So it just happened, That's all I did. It just happened.

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Speaker 1: Here on the end Can Floring podcast after a big

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Speaker 2: Man, we work it, you know. So I literally worked

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Speaker 5: And my man Nick Simmons, who's my wrestling coach right

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Speaker 5: So now when I'm able to rehydrate and do all

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Speaker 5: what I need to do, like bro we a monster,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to start calling myself new monster.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say it, springboards off a new manter

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Speaker 1: pretty well. I noticed you. You're in uh you're in

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Speaker 1: all these power slap videos now, so you stayed out

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Speaker 2: Man, be honest with you, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, like I had an idea or what to expect,

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Speaker 5: It's definitely something that you gotta watch live. I don't

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Speaker 2: But still you can't compare to me because.

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Speaker 1: I do everything I'm telling you, man, and I believe

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Speaker 1: you're ceiling his championship. And I love you in this

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Speaker 1: Check out well Keen Buckley's YouTube channel if you haven't

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Speaker 1: done that already, And I know your bankroll is going

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Speaker 2: Uh? You know, I got a couple of names.

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Speaker 2: He said he want to make one seventy.

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Speaker 5: I love to introduce him to the way class now,

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Speaker 5: you know, or back you know what I'm saying, him

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful. You got Luk. You know, I don't know

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Speaker 5: You know, you know, John, you good at your job.

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Speaker 1: I think there's something in the pipeline, but I don't

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Speaker 5: Gilber don't want that smoke. And then you know what

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like, I want viewership. You know, UFC ain't

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Speaker 5: You can talk all you want to, but that's just

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Speaker 2: Not the chance. So with that being said, I just

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Speaker 2: But I don't want nobody. Look, he got ten thousand follows.

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Speaker 2: I'll beat your wad, but like.

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Speaker 1: Get your numbers up first, right right? No, I like

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Speaker 1: to do you do.

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Speaker 2: Your work first, and then you can come holler. You

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of big flights coming your way. There's

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Speaker 1: one thing that I'll leave you with, right, in terms

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Speaker 1: because as your following increases, Right, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man. You know, sometimes sometimes having a

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you for that. That's been right.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you appreciate your time. I know it's an early

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Speaker 1: wake up. When are you heading back to Michigan? What

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Speaker 1: is the next few weeks hold for you? You still Vegas?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm heading back to Saint Louis but I

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Speaker 5: my man Reggie Thompson, that's my boxing coach.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean that's kick them hands right, you

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Speaker 5: So you know we're gonna be working like I've been

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Speaker 5: working out every single day like we don't. We don't

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Speaker 5: got back it up. Every word I say is a mile.

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Speaker 5: He is new mana buddy Jaukue Buckley.

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Speaker 1: The instagram is starting to really gain some traction to

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Speaker 1: new mansa a good good.

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Speaker 1: New Manton ninety four is the handle on Instagram.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I get I gotta give my other accounts

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Speaker 5: follow that and then obviously my Instagram. My instagram is

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Speaker 5: probably the best like feed that you ever gonna see.

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Speaker 1: That's just my pa and I will say too because

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Speaker 1: this fan base changes over every three to four years.

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Speaker 1: If you have not seen what Joaquin Buckley did to

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Speaker 1: our good friend Kasanga, I go to UFC Fight Pass

439
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Speaker 1: right now and then tell me there's a better knockout

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Speaker 1: out there in UFC history. Joaquin Buckley, Man, congrats on

441
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Speaker 1: a big win. We appreciate you into I'll see you soon,

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Speaker 1: all right, Missouri. His own Walking Buckley new matsa with

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Speaker 1: us here on the Anak and Florian podcast. So twenty

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Speaker 1: nine years of age. He just turned twenty nine in April,

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Speaker 1: and he fought four times last year, closed out his

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two with back to back losses, and there

447
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Speaker 1: was a lot of pressure on him going into that

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Speaker 1: Andre Fialio fight. And I know for yourself, as a

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Speaker 1: guy who loves cardio and who loves conditioning, being conditioned

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Speaker 1: to compete at one hundred and seventy pounds and go

451
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Speaker 1: three hard fives at one hundred and seventy pounds is

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Speaker 1: different than making the weight. And so it showed Walking

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Speaker 1: Buckley there at Welterway, you know what, out of doubt.

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Speaker 3: But I tell you, Joan, you might as well have

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Speaker 3: a cardboard cutout of me for the last guys. No,

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Speaker 3: he's got some mensy.

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Speaker 4: But when I hear those stories about not getting along

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Speaker 4: with his train or the manager, and man means a lot.

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Speaker 4: Man like, you know, that's not a good position he

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Speaker 4: was in. And now he's back and everything's good. But

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Speaker 4: you could see he's a super talented guy. But if

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Speaker 4: that mental aspect is off a little bit, it's got

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Speaker 4: to carry into the octagon. And I think that's what

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Speaker 4: you saw. But he's a sit and fight. I would

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Speaker 4: think the Big Advan if I was him, I hit

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Speaker 4: that knockout on him, I just walk away and live

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Speaker 4: off for that for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 3: But that, by far is than those.

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Speaker 4: Other knockouts you talked about, no question about it, just

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Speaker 4: the degree of difficulty alone.

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Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty, we're doing our UFC Year in

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Speaker 1: Review show and Daniel Cormier gave Kevin Holland for his

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Speaker 1: upkick of Jacqua d Soza, the Knockout of the Year,

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Speaker 1: And oftentimes on those award shows there is a motivation

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Speaker 1: to spread out the hardware. But I was trying to

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Speaker 1: make the point that in twenty twenty you needed to

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Speaker 1: have a unanimous knockout of the Year given what Woking

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Speaker 1: Buckley was able to do. There was no second place

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Speaker 1: that year. It was all Walking Buckley. But that's neither

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Speaker 1: here nor there. We appreciate new Mansa. I got a

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Speaker 1: couple things from our listeners to ask if you ray,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll get back to the aljaminer Sterling stuff.

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Speaker 1: How did you get your start in boxing?

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Speaker 3: To get my start in boxing? You know at that time,

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Speaker 3: I mean it just was like a more of a

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Speaker 3: neighborhood thing.

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Speaker 4: You know, you just started boxing with guys in the

488
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Speaker 4: neighborhood and guys some guys there was a pal. Guys

489
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Speaker 4: would go go down and box, but it was more

490
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Speaker 4: of not not like a totally organized thing, but you know,

491
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Speaker 4: we were always boxing in the backyard. It was more

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Speaker 4: more like that. And then as I got into martial

493
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Speaker 4: arts and started training, I had to go back to

494
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Speaker 4: the boxing gyms. I knew guys that were boxing and

495
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Speaker 4: try to I was looking at it more from a

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Speaker 4: training standpoint, not from a boxing standpoints. Don't even know

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Speaker 4: I wasn't you know, I mean I was. We were boxing,

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Speaker 4: but we weren't like, you know, boxing boxing.

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Speaker 1: So were you more of a combat sports fan your

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Speaker 1: whole life than you were a stick and ball sports

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Speaker 1: fan or not necessarily?

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Speaker 3: Ooh, Now I was a big I know, I love

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Speaker 3: baseball growing up.

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Speaker 4: None, I loved everything growing up, and then I think

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Speaker 4: martial arts took over at like fourteen and fifteen, you know,

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Speaker 4: but still you into so I'm going to say those

507
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Speaker 4: like like football up until the nineties, and then I

508
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Speaker 4: think everything once the UFC, and I think I kind

509
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Speaker 4: of started getting away from even being a fan of that,

510
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Speaker 4: but huge baseball fan for love baseball, basketball, football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you play any of those sports? And if so,

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Speaker 1: what sport were you best? Out of those sports?

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Speaker 3: I mean I played organized baseball up until maybe sixteen

514
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Speaker 3: Countie mac Babe Ruth League, whatever that was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but love baseball was definitely my take, more than

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Speaker 4: anything other than basketball.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, our good friend Dave, I don't

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Speaker 1: know nowhere.

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Speaker 4: But once I'd like at thirteen fourteen, when I found

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Speaker 4: martial arts, everything else, I think I got to say

521
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Speaker 4: them probably didn't give a shit about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that from a lot of fighters. I

523
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Speaker 1: kind of wish I found martial arts when I was

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Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen. Maybe I don't. Maybe I don't. Our

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Speaker 1: good friend Dave Fretz wants to know, is there anything

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Speaker 1: in your career yet, Ray that you haven't achieved that

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Speaker 1: you really want to. It's so great that you have

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Speaker 1: to actually think about that, right, Because let's take Safe Saud,

529
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Speaker 1: one of your contemporaries. It's for MMA, right, he said

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Speaker 1: to me way back in the day that you know,

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Speaker 1: once he produces a world champion, he might be gone. Now,

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Speaker 1: perhaps I shouldn't take that public, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: that is. I think at this point he's so in

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Speaker 1: love with coaching that that is no longer the case. Right.

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Speaker 1: He did corner Brandon Moreno, but that was sort of

536
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Speaker 1: a weird circumstance. But for you, in terms of MMA

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Speaker 1: and your coaching career, I'm just not sure what else

538
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Speaker 1: there is that you're looking to accomplish.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know what I feel like, I tell

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Speaker 4: you I just did. I thought it was Luke Thomas

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Speaker 4: did a great job on that. We did that room

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Speaker 4: service diaries. I don't know if I answer the questions

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Speaker 4: correctly or what people want to hear. But like, even

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Speaker 4: in that, no, I think I've accomplished everything. If I

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Speaker 4: leave tomorrow something I didn't do, No.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's not. I'm just grateful for whatever

547
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Speaker 3: I was able to be a part of. And I

548
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Speaker 3: think it's different because it's not like I'm training fighters.

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Speaker 3: We're friends, so it's hard for like, I don't want

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Speaker 3: to take any credit away from first of all, I

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Speaker 3: don't want to take any credit away from the guys

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Speaker 3: that were fighting, for sure. And I think it comes

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Speaker 3: across I don't know. I mean, we're all still friends.

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Speaker 3: It's a weird bit. It's not like it's not like

555
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Speaker 3: you're going to You're going somewhere specifically to learn something

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Speaker 3: like to learn how to play chess, and there's no relationship.

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Speaker 3: It's just that I think that's the difference. We're pretty close,

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Speaker 3: and I don't look at it probably the way other

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Speaker 3: people are looking in at it, if that makes any

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Speaker 3: sense at all. It's just something we're doing.

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Speaker 4: We're having fun, we're still breaking balls, you know, Like

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Speaker 4: a lot of time tis like I was doing an interview.

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Speaker 4: It's not really you know, I think if I had

564
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Speaker 4: to put a thing on what made me successful wasn't

565
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Speaker 4: really like technical, even though I think technically I understand everything.

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Speaker 4: That's why I think that's what gets misconstrued, like if

567
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Speaker 4: you're asking me, do I think I'm the best coach around?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Probably, you know what I mean. But it's not that's

570
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Speaker 3: not what I'm looking to do. It's I'm very confident,

571
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Speaker 3: but I don't. I just don't look at it the

572
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Speaker 3: same way other people look at it. I like, I like, like,

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Speaker 3: I can't coach somebody I don't like. Maybe that that

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Speaker 3: maybe that's the way to put it. If I don't

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Speaker 3: have a relationship with I can't coach it. Like so

576
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Speaker 3: that has to be in place first, and then you

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Speaker 3: know whatever. It's it's more like just something like I

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Speaker 3: never really thought about.

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Speaker 4: We just grew up, Like like you're asking me, what

580
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Speaker 4: the bube, We just grew up boxing.

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Speaker 3: You know, i'd have you know, somebody.

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Speaker 1: I'm these are questions that.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, like everything was kind of organic and natural

584
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Speaker 3: and nothing was forced by even with when I met Matt,

585
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Speaker 3: I had already had like a golden gloves.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, I didn't have a tick boxing jamps and

587
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Speaker 4: I was kind of in the right place at the

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Speaker 4: right time, and you know what was it? It was

589
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Speaker 4: a new sport. We don't know what to expect, right,

590
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Speaker 4: so we're just these guys wanted to fight. I was

591
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Speaker 4: already I think promoting fights and train and fighters, so

592
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Speaker 4: it was just like a natural thing. And then the

593
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Speaker 4: UFC became big and everything else became big.

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Speaker 1: You know, another one of our listeners wants to know

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Speaker 1: and this sort of dovetails with your answer there from

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Speaker 1: mcdain mma. When you talk about sort of fighters that

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Speaker 1: you want to coach, right, what key qualities or attributes

598
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Speaker 1: do you look for and fighters to determine whether or

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Speaker 1: not they have the potential to excel? And I would

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Speaker 1: sort of piggyback upon that and say, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to name any names, but have there been any high

602
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Speaker 1: profile fighters that you have turned away or sort of

603
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Speaker 1: unceremoniously shown the door because you didn't click?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'll just give you one example, but not

605
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Speaker 4: when we did the show where George Soderopolis.

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Speaker 3: Came back with us and he he was considered.

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Speaker 4: To be maybe a guy that was going to challenge

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Speaker 4: for the fifty five belt at one point. Yeah, and

609
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 4: at that point before even lost the fight. Uh, I

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Speaker 4: had to get rid of him. I just he there

611
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Speaker 4: was something. He was very paranoid. He was kind of

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Speaker 4: like divide and conquering the gym. I just I do

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Speaker 4: that ship drives me crazy, and uh I did. Like George,

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Speaker 4: we had some good times, but he his whatever defect

615
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Speaker 4: he had in his personality really was was going to

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Speaker 4: be a virus to the gym, and he had a

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Speaker 4: he had to go like immediately, you know. And that

618
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Speaker 4: was that was before even lost Like, I couldn't give

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Speaker 4: his ship if he was going to be a champion.

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Speaker 3: It was just never going to work out. But you know,

621
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Speaker 3: I have no ill feelings towards him now, but at

622
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Speaker 3: the time it was, you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Me and Matt always had a pretty good sense of

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Speaker 4: who to weed out and who was going to be

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Speaker 4: like our type of guy. Like it's that's what I think.

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Speaker 3: I think. It's a long island thing, you know what

627
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Speaker 3: I mean. I think, you know, like again where everybody

628
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Speaker 3: lives close, there's a lot of like mindedness, you know, uh,

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Speaker 3: super good families. Uh guys that came in. You know,

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Speaker 3: Matt was a jiu jitsu phenom Wideman had. You know,

631
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Speaker 3: he was a wrestling penom in my eyes, you know,

632
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Speaker 3: and probably everybody else's. But everybody had something to the table.

633
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Speaker 3: And then it was just finding out a way to

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Speaker 3: build the rest of that puzzle.

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Speaker 7: Up, Like it's so interesting guy to say, John, I'm

636
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Speaker 7: gonna say, if you ask Matt his what he thinks

637
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Speaker 7: of me, Wideman what he thinks of me, and al

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00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 7: Joe what he thinks of me, it's gonna be three

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Speaker 7: separate answers, as I.

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Speaker 1: Think it should be, right. But I do think regionally

641
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: you all are cut from the same cloth up the

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Speaker 1: same way, and I think.

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Speaker 3: That's what answered the whole thing. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's just about like I say, even with the

645
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Speaker 3: Joaquin before, like, yeah, you had some losses, great fight,

646
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Speaker 3: you could see this. Kids got talent, there's no question

647
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Speaker 3: about it. But if he's fighting with his trainer or

648
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Speaker 3: his manager and his always or he's getting divorced, that

649
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: shit adds into it. It just does, unless you're super human,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 1: Right, all right, I want to get back to al

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Speaker 1: Jamaine Sterling. Last question before I do from upkick ft W.

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite pizza topping? Ray?

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Speaker 3: I like it.

655
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: I like everything plain, like I like my coffee black.

656
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: I like a nice cheese, you know, round slice. I

657
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Speaker 4: like a nice Grandmay slice. And that's it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, just playing pizza. You like it thin? Grandma's is

659
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Speaker 1: inherently thicker. You like a thin pizza, you like well.

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Speaker 3: The Grandmoy slice I'm used to is thin, okay, but

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Speaker 3: the irregular pizza nice cheese pizza.

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Speaker 1: Right, So if you were forced to put a topping

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Speaker 1: on a piece of pizza, what would that top be?

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, uh, you know, Sarah's got me eating

665
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Speaker 3: his drunken sicilian. I don't know what the hell.

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Speaker 4: It's like a pod. It's gotta be like, oh, okay,

667
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Speaker 4: really good. It's really good, but it's so freaking heavy, John, you.

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Speaker 1: Can't, I'm sure. Cody just wrote in the chat chewed steak,

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Speaker 1: chewed up steak is pizza topping, all right. So this

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Speaker 1: algam stuff, all right? Yeah, chicken bones too. So this

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Speaker 1: Aljamin Sterling stuff, it's crazy, but it's not right. And

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people that don't like me. Right,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that don't like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who are public figures. And for any promoter,

675
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Speaker 1: any combat sports promoter, whether you got seven hundred athletes

676
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Speaker 1: or fifty, you're not gonna love all of them. You're

677
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Speaker 1: not going to have the same interpersonal relationships with all

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Speaker 1: of them, but I would classify the relationship between the

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Speaker 1: UFC and Algamain Starling at this point in time is

680
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: just disappointing. And even before we knew that August nineteenth, Boston,

681
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Speaker 1: Massachusetts was happening, I wondered aloud to you, like, Ray,

682
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Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Like I you know, when

683
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Speaker 1: may Rob Dwallash Willy was trying to turn around quickly

684
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: and fight Umar and rmago Metov, you were like, whoa bro?

685
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: Like you're not even healthy, Like you've barely even showered

686
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Speaker 1: after your win, and now seemingly it's being done again,

687
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: but it's being done to the champion. So what can

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Speaker 1: you tell us over the last seventy two hours? You

689
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Speaker 1: were just without Joe last hour. You know, it seems

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Speaker 1: like he's going to go handle business on August nineteenth,

691
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Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, A lot of people are

692
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Speaker 1: suggesting that he's biting off more than he can shoot,

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Speaker 1: potentially by you know, towing the company line and taking

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Speaker 1: the fight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you just you know, we just talked

696
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Speaker 3: to him for a brief period too. I mean, you

697
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Speaker 3: could see super grateful. He made that very very clear,

698
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: he's super grateful for the opportunities the UFC has given him.

699
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Speaker 3: He's a really nice kid. I think you could even

700
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Speaker 3: see from our last interaction, but he's kind of you know,

701
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Speaker 3: like think about this is what I'm trying say it

702
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Speaker 3: because I don't want to bash anybody.

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Speaker 4: Look, people could do business the way they want to

704
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Speaker 4: do business. It's their business. That's what I'm saying. Like

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Speaker 4: I don't want to I don't have to agree with it,

706
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Speaker 4: but you know I do respect everything Dane has done

707
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Speaker 4: and the fatigas. I mean, come on you if you

708
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Speaker 4: if you don't respect what they've done, you're insane. But

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Speaker 4: I could just tell you after the more it is

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Speaker 4: why I'd rather do it. With examples, after the Moram

711
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Speaker 4: fight with Yan, they offered the guy a fight six

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Speaker 4: weeks after.

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Speaker 3: That, like who does Like what is that?

714
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Speaker 2: What is that? Like?

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Speaker 3: What does that mean to you? I mean, like it

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Speaker 3: goes back.

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Speaker 4: To after you know, I think I told you the

718
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Speaker 4: story after the first Jon fight with the disqualification, Al

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Speaker 4: Joe calls me and goes, uh, you know, they offered

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Speaker 4: me they want me to do a rematch. I'm going

721
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Speaker 4: to tell you some of it was like seven weeks

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Speaker 4: now the guy just got kneed in the head, so

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Speaker 4: I don't even know if he's clear, but he guys,

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Speaker 4: he goes.

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Speaker 3: They offered me the fight several weeks.

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Speaker 4: I go Aljiae, and they must really like you, because yeah,

727
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Speaker 4: I'm not really sure they.

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Speaker 3: Fucking hate you. What he's thinking about it because I'm

729
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Speaker 3: I'm being sarcastic. I really like you. I mean, but

730
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Speaker 3: after that fight to get a turnaround fight in less

731
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Speaker 3: time than the Boston fight, so they have to I'd

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Speaker 3: have to talk to them and go, what's running through

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Speaker 3: your head? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Like again, it's not my it's really not my business.

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Speaker 4: But if from an outside of looking in, I think

736
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Speaker 4: it's weird and it's funny, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: So I can only give you examples and if you

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Speaker 4: can make sense at a why you would offer a

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Speaker 4: Rob a fight after a five round fight Repedion five

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Speaker 4: weeks after that with Buman to Maga Metafood.

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Speaker 3: You know, my Rob never agreed to anything.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, just i'd have to know where what

743
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Speaker 4: the mentality was to give you a proper answer.

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Speaker 1: I don't know well, and I think divisionally, there are

745
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Speaker 1: a lot of champions that are not available right now,

746
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Speaker 1: or there are a lot of belts that are being

747
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Speaker 1: held up for one reason or another. Yuri pro Hoske

748
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Speaker 1: is going to be the light heavyweight title challenger, but

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Speaker 1: Jamal Hill seemingly would be ready to go. He fought

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Speaker 1: in January several months before al Jamaine Sterling defended his

751
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Speaker 1: title again. Henry Shudo, right, but it seems like they

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Speaker 1: want to wait and do Jamal Hill and Yuri Prohaska

753
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Speaker 1: right there are John Jones is your heavyweight champion, right.

754
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's ideal in a lot of respects, but

755
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: maybe less than ideal in a lot of others. Sergey

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Speaker 1: Pavlovitch probably fight every three months, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Jean way Lee hasn't fought in a while. She's gonna

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Speaker 1: fight in Boston, but maybe not in a headlining capacity.

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Speaker 1: Alexander Volkanovsky, you can be sure, would love to fight

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Speaker 1: four or five times this year, but you don't know

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Speaker 1: how it's going to go for him against Yayia Rodriguez.

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Speaker 1: If nil are us Charles olivera fight gets delayed and

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Speaker 1: now maybe that keeps Islam Makashev on the sidelines. But

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Speaker 1: Leon Edwards made it exceedingly clear after his second straight

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Speaker 1: win over Kamar Usman. You know that he was going

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Speaker 1: to call the shots and it's not there.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's why al Jo's getting penalized a little bit

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Speaker 4: because of that.

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Speaker 3: They don't want that to happen.

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Speaker 4: I mean, John, let me just I know I interrupted you,

771
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Speaker 4: but Liz, I don't like to me. In business and

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Speaker 4: even down here, you know what people like consistency, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like if I come in here,

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Speaker 4: everybody pays two hundred a month and then they're walking

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Speaker 4: around the gym and somebody says, no, he only charges

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Speaker 4: me seventy five, that's not.

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Speaker 3: Good, you know what I mean. Like, it's got to

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Speaker 3: be consistent. That's why I say we're giving examples with is.

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Speaker 3: It's it seems like it's favoritism almost you know.

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Speaker 4: And I and that's why I say, if you know

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Speaker 4: your guys, like I got to know my guys, who

782
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Speaker 4: I could, you know how to talk to him and

783
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Speaker 4: how to coach him.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's different.

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Speaker 4: If you know your guys, you know, Morob's a guy

786
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Speaker 4: that's gonna fight every week. If that's what you want,

787
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Speaker 4: he's your type of guy. Al Joe has his own routine.

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Speaker 4: He needs a little different.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's not like he's asking once a year, you know

791
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Speaker 4: what I mean. If he's healthy, wants to fight. I

792
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Speaker 4: think he's made that clear.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's the inconsistency of well, Makhacheff hasn't fought,

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Speaker 3: and why are you rushing me to fight in two months?

795
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Speaker 3: Like that? That's where I have a problem. I like,

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00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: I like fanness, and I like the transparency of knowing

797
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: everybody's doing the same thing, like if he turns it,

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Speaker 3: if they don't want to turn everybody around every two months,

799
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Speaker 3: and that's it. That's what you signed up for, and

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00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: that's the company. This is their rules, it's their company.

801
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: He built it up. He gets the coldest shots. But

802
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 3: to do one thing one time and not another time,

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Speaker 3: I think that's where it gets a little sticky for me.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. And there is favoritism

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Speaker 1: in all walks of life, and yes, no right, But

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Speaker 1: if al Joe had said I got to get this

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Speaker 1: biceps ten and looked at and yeah, I'll be back

808
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: at least once before the end of the year, right,

809
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: then maybe that affects their mentality. And Cody Merrow our

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Speaker 1: producers now telling me the rumor swirling that Israel of

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Speaker 1: Sony's going to fight Jamal Hill in Sydney, Australia on

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Speaker 1: pay per view in September. That is totally news to me, right,

813
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: But obviously they need a champion and competitive. I think

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Speaker 1: your guy Sterling believes that he's going to be just

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Speaker 1: as competitive on August nineteenth against Shaan O'Malley as he

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Speaker 1: would be in September or October. Otherwise he wouldn't have

817
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Speaker 1: taken the fight. But let us be clear. You guys

818
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Speaker 1: just competed over five rounds against Henry s Huda on

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Speaker 1: May six. I'm sitting here talking on May twenty fifth,

820
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Speaker 1: and in two weeks you're going to be like seven

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Speaker 1: and a half, eight weeks out.

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Speaker 3: What out of that? I think that's you know, I

823
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: think that's that's insane. I think that's asking a lot

824
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Speaker 3: like John again, the fight they bring O'Malley in the octagon,

825
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Speaker 3: that fight's already made in everybody's head, unless they could

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Speaker 3: say it wasn't. I'm saying, obviously, I think they announced

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Speaker 3: it even close to that without even asking Alja you

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Speaker 3: have any injuries, how you feeling you.

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Speaker 1: Think you can do this well in a meritocracy. Sean

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Speaker 1: O'Malley and Aljamaine Sterling would have fought May six in Newark,

831
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Speaker 1: New Jersey. Henry Shudo came back when O'Malley was the

832
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Speaker 1: number one contender.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, how do you think aljo Fit's almost

834
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Speaker 3: like O'Malley's dictating the shots. Why because he's got more

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Speaker 3: insight Graham followers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do we say about that. It's not

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Speaker 1: so much about the Instagram followers. It's his ability to

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Speaker 1: move all of those needles right and sell pay per views. Yes, we.

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Speaker 2: Got this.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen this guy in years. You know this

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Speaker 3: guy John Chris Wade.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love Chris Wade. You talk about Long Island,

843
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: loud and proud. Good to see him, man, how are

844
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Speaker 1: you brother?

845
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Speaker 3: Very good about to fight in a couple of weeks,

846
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Speaker 3: So about getting some pis fights over here. But it's

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Speaker 3: really good.

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Speaker 1: You too, my man. I've been tracking his progress since

849
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Speaker 1: he left.

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00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a career outside the UFCOD. But go

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Speaker 3: ahead with the.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about Sean O'Malley and I was just

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Speaker 1: suggesting that, yes, his Instagram followers is part of it, right,

854
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Speaker 1: But he is one of the top five biggest draws

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Speaker 1: in the company, so you can understand that there's an

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00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: internal motivation to get him to a title fight. And

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00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: again he beat Pyotr Jan fair and square and became

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Speaker 1: the number one contender, and that's all well and good.

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00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: You know, some people might take issue with Henry Shudo

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Speaker 1: cutting the line, but given his status, he did that.

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Speaker 1: And now it's O'Malley's turn. But the fact that the

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Speaker 1: calendar is being determined by challenger and not champion is

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Speaker 1: is not what's necessarily happening in other divisions. But you

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Speaker 1: also have other guys like Forest Griffin came on these

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Speaker 1: airwaves and he said, maybe put an asterisk next to

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Speaker 1: his comments. But he doesn't like the champions like Leon

867
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: Edwards or others are calling the shots right and saying, no,

868
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to fight this guy on this timeline.

869
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: He feels like it should be the promoter.

870
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and you could see Forrest was for That's

871
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Speaker 3: why Forest is being taken care of.

872
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Speaker 1: Now, yeah he was.

873
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: He was good. He's a he's a company man.

874
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: He'ple say I'm the ultimate shill, so I'm here. The

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Speaker 1: other side.

876
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Speaker 3: You know, Look, man, I don't I don't think so.

877
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 4: I think even this conversation, if people wanted to dissect that,

878
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 4: they could get mad at you.

879
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. But I think his sun

880
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: in good taste. Like again, That's why I want to

881
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: make it very clear if I'm running the business, I

882
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Speaker 3: don't even want to be quite you know, I get it.

883
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: Like again, they did a great job, and that's why

884
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 4: I loved about al Joe. He's very grateful for the

885
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 4: opportunity he's making that. He's not an ungrateful guy, right,

886
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I just think we needed

887
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 4: a little time to even see where his head was at.

888
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: That's all he was saying. He wasn't saying anything else.

889
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 4: You know, there was definitely no contract sign. Like I

890
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 4: did a couple of interviews. They says he fights, they go,

891
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: there's no contract sign. Although I know he was thinking

892
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 4: about fighting because I had talked to him and listen,

893
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, John, I like what

894
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 4: he said. I'm going to show up win and pissing

895
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 4: your cheerios again, and that's the best way to do it.

896
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Speaker 3: That's my thing to him.

897
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 4: This is motivation, you know what I mean, you're taking

898
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,479
Speaker 4: a guy that you know can't like, survived that year

899
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 4: of torture after the disqualification.

900
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Speaker 3: He's just building mental momentum that good luck stop it,

901
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: you know. And if O'Malley thinks he's the guy, step

902
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: right up, let's do it. And that's what And I'm like.

903
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: You're a Tri State area sports fans. The sports fans

904
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Speaker 1: in Boston are going to recognize great andess and give

905
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: your guy al Jamin Sterling some love. So don't even

906
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: worry about that. No, I'm just kidding.

907
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: I doubt that he might go in with a Yankee

908
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: cap on will see how good he.

909
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: Does he's I mean, well, yeah, we which hat you're

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00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: gonna choose from?

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00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: Right?

912
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: You got fucking seven baseball teams, eight football teams, a

913
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: million fucking hockey teams, the Devils and the Islanders and

914
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: the Rangers, and I'm surely forgetting one.

915
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: Now.

916
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: If he goes into Boston Yankees hat boom too.

917
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 4: If I walked in with Billy Buckman's glove, would you

918
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 4: be mad if I walked I do the entrance walk

919
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 4: with Buckman's glove?

920
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 3: No.

921
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: The Red Sox have won four World Series titles since that.

922
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Bambino is a race.

923
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: You you're always invoke the name Bill Buckner. No, but

924
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: Frankie Edgar, I believe went Yankees hat in Boston at

925
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: some point in time, and it didn't make me very happy.

926
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: Uh but no, if Al Joe goes Yankees, I will

927
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: absolutely boo him as well. There's it's undeniable that Charnam

928
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: Mallley's gonna have a lot of support in being town.

929
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that Boston has a knack for appreciating greatness.

930
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: So I think your guys Sterling might get a little

931
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: bit more love than he is expecting. The only thing

932
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I think maybe that well you think I'm on mater

933
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Speaker 1: all now because I transition quickly with the problem.

934
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Speaker 3: Now, dude, I felt like I stood the Buckley thing.

935
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Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't under a word.

936
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Speaker 1: So I was in the chat writing to you all

937
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: you Ray go ahead, Raymond. And now at one point

938
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Speaker 1: during the interview, I said, Ray Longo is going to

939
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: get in here, and then I paused, and I thought

940
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: you were going to chime in, but you didn't, so

941
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: I just uh, I continued with the interview.

942
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 3: I saw no chat.

943
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah that's all good, But so basically, al Joe verbally

944
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: agreed and then was questioning his own health publicly. And

945
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: I think Dana kind of latched onto that. You know,

946
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: that's all. It's not a big Joe agree. Did he say,

947
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: let me see how I feel, give me a week

948
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: or two. Yeah, I don't know.

949
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: Right, that's what you know. That's the way he went.

950
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: That's the way it went down. Over it Wait before

951
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 3: before the borstling guys can do huge call you Strimsky fan.

952
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 4: That's how far I go back, Long Island guy from

953
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 4: out east, huge fan.

954
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: One of them he's got. I think he's got a

955
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: nephew doing big things in the major leagues right now

956
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: for the San Francisco Giants. But yeah, hey, you can

957
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: talk seventies Major League baseball with me every day of

958
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: the week. But no, I appreciate you engaging it a

959
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: little bit of a back and forth. And either way,

960
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: it's a huge fight coming up in Boston August nineteen,

961
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: UFC two ninety two. Will you be driving right? How

962
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: good is that?

963
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

964
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: That's good. I'll probably take the ferry over to Connecticut

965
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: and then drive like an hour from uh there. You go,

966
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: really nice, really nice? Right? Yeah?

967
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: Hey, well, next time we interview a fighter, I'll ask

968
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: the first two questions and then I'll give you some

969
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: sort of sign that says it's all you, and then

970
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: we'll let you.

971
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, because at one point it is like, just have

972
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 3: a cardboard cutout of my head and just stick it.

973
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: If you need that, you just do that, as likely

974
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to get toward you. I just said there

975
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 4: like an idiot. Yeah no, but but that that heart,

976
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 4: that kicking peop pulled off by far Oh, he's on

977
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 4: the highlight reels that you gotta look at stuff we

978
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: never saw before.

979
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: And that's a good point.

980
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

981
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 1: I think Anderson Silva's knockout is so hard to compete

982
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: with because the build up for Vitor bell Fort versus

983
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: Anderson Silva was just enormous. They were fighting for the

984
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: belt on one of the biggest pay per views of

985
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: all time at that time, and then he knocks them

986
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: out like that. It's just I know the Otamachidah did

987
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: the same thing to Randy Kotor, but to do it

988
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: in the title flight like that, I just think that

989
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: that one for most people who is going to hold

990
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: down that number one spot, But for me, as you

991
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: just heard walking Buckley against imp A Kasangan. I I Raymond, Hey,

992
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: have a great day, have a better evening. Anything else

993
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: before we let you get off to this Memorial Day weekend?

994
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 3: Uh? I think that's it, buddy. What are you doing

995
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: for the weekend?

996
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: Childcare? Mostly just running around?

997
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, just run in a way that could be relaxing

998
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: at this point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that.

999
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: Really, but hey, I appreciate you coming on today, and uh,

1000
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: we got a quick turn. I think we're doing the

1001
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: show next Tuesday, so I'll talk to you in about

1002
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: four or five days, my man.

1003
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 3: Oh, so it's definitely Tuesday.

1004
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: Tuesday or Wednesday. We're trying to get schedules aligned. Ken

1005
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: Flow is going to be on the West coast, Cody's

1006
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: going to New Hampshire. I mean, you and I are

1007
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: ready to go. It's just these other one.

1008
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: Let's just do it. Let's come on and do it.

1009
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: I also think I have secured a studio space in

1010
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: South Florida, So that's very exciting.

1011
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: As wow, big stuff.

1012
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: So next time you're down here, we'll have you in studio.

1013
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: That sounds good.

1014
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: Huh, Yeah, I might be coming down to I want

1015
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: to visit Tony Ricci.

1016
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: All right, hey, coach Chris Wade is waiting, why don't

1017
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: you get out of here?

1018
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, let me get out of it. Take

1019
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: it easy, John, all right.

1020
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: There is thank you buddy Ray long Goo with us

1021
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: here on the ANA podcast. Of course he's always here

1022
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: with the Anakin Florian Podcast. I would shout out his Instagram,

1023
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: but it's like Ray Longo three nine five six eight

1024
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: because his Instagram got hacked. Thank you to Joaquin Buckley.

1025
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Speaker 1: Thanks to Ray Longo, our producers Cody Merril. We are

1026
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: back next week, likely Wednesday, May thirty first, to get

1027
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Speaker 1: you ready for the next UFC Live event headline by

1028
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: Kicatta France and Amir Albasi in the flyweight division. And

1029
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: also we will begin our two week preview of UFC

1030
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Speaker 1: two eighty nine, which beckons June tenth in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

1031
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Speaker 1: With that for long Ago, I'm John Anax, signed and awful.

1032
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Speaker 1: Talk to you next week. Until then you'll go.

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Speaker 6: Down, down, down, down, down down down, down down down

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Speaker 6: down down down down. They wanna have born donos, They

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Speaker 6: wanna barn donos.