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Speaker 1: Like they've both won awards, they've both pivoted to drama,

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00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: I know, which can be easily solved by putting a

421
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: wig on one of them. Like, no one on the

422
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: set was like, the two women have the same hair,

423
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: like it's it's so confusing, so confusing. This is also

424
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: what happens when there are just too many white people

425
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: in a movie. Problem easily solved by diversifying your cast

426
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: even a little, like make your movie better and help

427
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: the audience. England is a diverse place. It's just yeah, yeah,

428
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: but yes, the two the two the two other women

429
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: have the same hair and so I was also confused

430
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: about what was going on there. But I think that

431
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: by the end, at the beginning, she's working on it.

432
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: By the end, they're engaged, and I'm assuming that there's

433
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: some like cut scenes or something, because it's really right

434
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: skip over like the developing of their relationship quite a bit.

435
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: They're at least in a relationship enough that they're like

436
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: in a canoe together, which is kind of intimate, right,

437
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: but Bridget and Bridget and Hugh Grant or in separate canoes.

438
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: That's how you know it's not gonna last true. And

439
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: in that scene he makes a Titanic reference because he says,

440
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: I'm King of the World. Amazing, and we're like, wow,

441
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: he is a keeper, but I mean to tie everything

442
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: back together again. In Love actually another movie that both

443
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: of those actors are in. We see, oh no, it's

444
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: not calling Firth. It's Liam Neeson. Never mind, it's Liam

445
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: Neeson who's watching Titanic with his like stepson, And for

446
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: a second I thought it was calling Firth. But that

447
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: is not who that is anyway. Too many old white guys, Okay.

448
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: So Bridget goes back to London and discovers that Daniel

449
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: is cheating on her with this younger woman from like

450
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 1: the New York office of their publishing company, and not

451
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: only that, they are engaged. So then Bridget tries to

452
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: get her life together. She tells Daniel off, she quits

453
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: her job, she gets a new job in television at

454
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: a new station, um which doesn't seem to be any

455
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: better than her old job because her new boss also

456
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: sexually harasses her. I know, I was like, god, this

457
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: is like yikes. There are elements of this story where

458
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that's so depressing, but also like reflective

459
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: of life. It's like, oh, what fresh hell, I'm going

460
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: to career change because my first boss was making my

461
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: life impossible and now I'm going to go to a

462
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: new career or my life will be impossible. But in

463
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: a different way. I know it's it's not the most optimistic.

464
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: So then she goes to a dinner party where Mark

465
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: Darcy just happens to be and he's everywhere, and which,

466
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: like this movie, is Colin first character either very coincidentally

467
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: being in the same place as Bridget Jones or deliberately

468
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: showing up unannounced to where she is. I guess I would.

469
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: I feel like, okay, if we did like a full

470
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: investigative thing into like Colin firth entrance scenes, I feel

471
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: like that's something you see a lot of him being

472
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: like oh hello, you know, like uh huh, he knows

473
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: you're there first. He's like, I guess it's not even

474
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: a scene entrance because he's just he's been there. You're

475
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: suddenly there with him. He's been and then he just

476
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: like kind of turns around and he's like, OI, I

477
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: feel like a cross genres. This is pretty common. Well.

478
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: I took it upon myself to watch both sequels to

479
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: this movie briefly ever know um, and the same thing

480
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: keeps happening with his character in particular throughout and but

481
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: also like it happens also with Hugh Grant more and more,

482
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: like it's just I mean, I do think that there

483
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: is I mean we've we've kind of talked about this before,

484
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: like the whatever, how it's supposed to seem inherently romantic

485
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: when ah, when a man shows up unannounced without checking

486
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: in about how you feel first, because Hugh Grant's character

487
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: does it in this movie too. He shows up at

488
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: her house assuming that she's alone on her birthday and

489
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: then it's like, oh, I got my face. I guess

490
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: that you're you have a life, and I just never

491
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: considered that before. Also, she's had this she for all

492
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: that is very sad how they make her out life

493
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: out to be. She has a great group of pals,

494
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: she has a support system, like totally people are I'm

495
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: just like, I just wish Bridget Jones had someone in

496
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: her life that was like, you're great, relax, like it's

497
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: all good. You're you're a normal person and you're figuring

498
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: it out. Stop why are you? Why are these identical

499
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: men yelling at you all the time? They're both so terrible.

500
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: I have a hole will get into why all the

501
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: reasons that they're both such tracks like different flavors of toxic. Okay,

502
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: So Mark Darcy is at this like dinner party with

503
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of other couples, and this is the scene

504
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 1: where he's like, Okay, Bridget, I know I've been like

505
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: really mean to you up until this point, but I

506
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: just want you to know that I actually like you

507
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: very much, and I like you just the way you are.

508
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: And she's very taken aback and confused by this also

509
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: because she's like, but I hate him. I think this

510
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: is the part that and I guess because I am

511
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: admittedly not a Jane austen Head. So Jane austen Heads

512
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: sound off in the comments that I'm totally off faith here,

513
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: but it's this plot point that I feel like is

514
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: especially Jane austen E and that it feels like something

515
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: that is weird to be happening in this century where

516
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: I like, I feel like there's a lot of like

517
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: female protagonists written by women in the eighteen hundreds who

518
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: like create emotional intimacy, but it's still in a pretty

519
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: toxic way with a pretty toxic person. I'm thinking of

520
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: like Pride and Prejudice and Jane Air of like, oh, like,

521
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: this guy has been nothing but cruel to me, but

522
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: he's only cruel because of his own ship, So I

523
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: guess I forgive him. I feel like that's like a

524
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: common thing. And then Bridget Jones like, I don't know,

525
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: I kind of is expecting, like Bridget Jones like the

526
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: writing to comment on it a little more, but it

527
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: kind of just happens, right, because well, like the one

528
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: centuries version of that is like men nagging women directly

529
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: to their face as a flirtation tactic, but not like

530
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: just like it's very old fashioned nagging that Colin Firth

531
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: is doing a right. He doesn't really ever speak to

532
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: her on this till this scene, right, he just kind

533
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: of glares at her and says something very awful about

534
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: her to his mom at that party in the beginning, right,

535
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: So how does he when he says as you are,

536
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: and also he like insults her forty times and then

537
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: he's like, but all these negative qualities that I just

538
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: made you feel bad about is why you're not like

539
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: the other girls. And you're just like, oh gosh, I

540
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: want more for her. It makes my head hurt. Bridget's great.

541
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: She should just she should just get a cat and

542
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, live her best single life. Keep watching Frasier.

543
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: Oh god, I that was another. I was like, wow,

544
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: feeling lonely and turning on Frasier energy. Been there, been there.

545
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: There's so many elements. I mean, we'll get into it more,

546
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: but like, there's so many elements of Bridget that I

547
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: really love. And I feel like it's like you don't

548
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: often get to see women personally and privately dealing with

549
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: their insecurities, even though a lot of their insecurities come

550
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: from a very toxic place. But it's like Bridget doesn't

551
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: really put other people down very much. She's just really

552
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: hard on herself, and there that I don't know. There

553
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: are moments in the movie where I was like, oh,

554
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: that's she's like, she's so wrong. But I also felt

555
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: the exact same way at different points about like my

556
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: body or a bad relationship, or I just that the

557
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: plot went differently. I don't know. I love Bridget and

558
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: the plot is a disaster. Yeah, I don't know that

559
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: the that the movie thinks she's wrong about those things,

560
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: right right right Bridget? Um? Okay, So after he professes

561
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: his feelings for her, she runs into him again when

562
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: she's covering this um kind of high profile court case

563
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: for her work, and he's he's a barrister defending the

564
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: people in this case, and he helps her get an

565
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: exclusive interview with them, and then she cooks a birthday

566
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: feast for her friends, which is like make them cook

567
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: for you if it's your birthday anyway. Um, but guess

568
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: who shows up at her door unannounced? It's Mark Darcy.

569
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: And guess who else shows up at her door during

570
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: this dinner unannounced. It's Daniel Cleaver and they both want

571
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: to is Bridget. So what happens next is they have

572
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: a fist fight in the street that lasts for the

573
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: next three minutes of screen time. It's really long, so long.

574
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: I do like the scene where Tom runs into the

575
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: restaurant and it's like there's that was fun. So Mark

576
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: wins the fight, but Bridget is not impressed with him

577
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: nor with Daniel, so she kind of goes off, and

578
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: then she spends the holidays with her mom and dad,

579
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: who are headed to Mark Darcy's families like holiday lunch

580
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: or something like that, and bridgets like, I'm not going.

581
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: But then her mom was like, by the way, it

582
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: wasn't Mark who had an affair with Daniel's fiance. It

583
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: was Daniel who had an affair with Marks his wife.

584
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: So then bridgets like, oh my god, I had it

585
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: all wrong. So she drives like a bat out of

586
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: hell marks this. I'm like, even if that is all true, Bridget,

587
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: you were still his second choice, Like what are you doing?

588
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: And that does not redeem him for any of the

589
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: other stuff. Having experienced pain does not mean that you

590
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: can just be a fucking asshole to anyone you're romantically

591
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: interested in until you die. He's like forty Oh my god, sorry, okay.

592
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: So then so at this little luncheon or whatever, she

593
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: professes her feelings for Mark Darcy, but then his father

594
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: announces that Mark is moving to New York and that

595
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: Natasha is going with him, and that they are like,

596
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: now betrothed. So he goes to New York for a bit,

597
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: and then Bridget is all sad and then her friends

598
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: are like, hey, we're going to take you to Paris.

599
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: But right is there lead thing who shows up again,

600
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: but Mark Darcy. Right when she's about to go on

601
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 1: vacation to Paris. It's like, screw him, go to Paris,

602
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: but she decides to stay behind and she's like, okay,

603
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: let's hang out. But then he sees her diary in

604
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: which she has written about how awful he is and

605
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: how much she hates him. So then he leaves. Bridget

606
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: goes running after him in her underwear in the snow.

607
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: This scene, I was like, oh, I've seen this in

608
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: a million clip compilations, and I mean, listen. Rene Salwagar

609
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: plays the hell out of it. It's fun. The plot

610
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: point itself not great, Rene's Salwager's performance in the moment,

611
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: I have no choice but to enjoy it. Sure, And

612
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: she finally catches up with him, and she's like, oh

613
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: my god, I'm so sor but he's like, no, it's fine.

614
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: I was just buying you a new diary that doesn't

615
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: contain all manner of vitriol directed at me specifically so

616
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: that you have a fresh start with me, and then

617
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: they kiss and that is how the movie and beautiful

618
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: no notes, Let's take a quick break and we will

619
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: come back to discuss, and we're back. Um. I feel like, Okay,

620
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: there's so much to talk about. But I feel like,

621
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: because all the men in this movie get to lie, lie, lie,

622
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: lie lie and experience kind of really no significant consequence

623
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: for it, that a better ending is at the end.

624
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: Rene Zellweger says, I'm lying, I'm from Texas and she's

625
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: the big twist and she's not even British. And then

626
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: all the men need to deal with the fact that

627
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: this is the first time conceivably they they're being deceived.

628
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: No man has ever deceived in this film, and it's like,

629
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: on what ground there, where? Where? Where shall we start? Well?

630
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: I think the very nature the big issue with the

631
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: movie is she is a fresh faced, thirty two year

632
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: old Rene's Eltwigger is the loveliest, most beautiful little gal,

633
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: and the central tenet of the movie is she is

634
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: a fat, fat, sad sack. I can't even say it

635
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: because it's so preposterous. She do you read she read

636
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: she gained twenty five pounds for this Yeah she is skinny, yes, correct,

637
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: It's so there. I mean, the fat phobia in this

638
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: movie is so rampant, and I feel like it speaks

639
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: to I mean, it's like it's frustrating because it's like

640
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: you can't even really behold it to this movie specifically

641
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: because that is so early two thousands and nineties culture

642
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: is it's all fat shaming women. I also feel like

643
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: they're there's this whole There's a YouTube channel that I

644
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: really love called be kind Rewind that has like a

645
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: whole she has a whole video about how when like

646
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, Western beauty standard very thin Hollywood actresses put

647
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: on weight or alter their appearance in some way, they

648
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: are more likely to be rewarded for their performance. And

649
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: it's like, what a risk for you to have a

650
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: normal woman's body, and like what an amazing thing. And

651
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: I feel like Renee Zellweger, I don't know, it's so

652
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: hard because it's like I really love Renee Zellweger's performance

653
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: in this movie. I think she is like doing an

654
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: amazing job, but it is like, I don't know, it's

655
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: so it's icky that like a woman having a very

656
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: normal body is considered like brave in any way, and

657
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: that it's like, oh, we need to reward this like

658
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: actress for looking normal, And then the whole character, like

659
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: you're saying, Amy is like Bridget, I don't know, it's

660
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: it's it's so hard because it's like you can see

661
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: Bridget so many different ways, Like I understand why she

662
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: was a popular character because women are so encouraged to

663
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: be like really hard on themselves and like hate their bodies,

664
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: and I think that the only way out of their

665
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: life as it is is to like be in a relationship,

666
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: and Bridget is like navigating that and that's interesting to see.

667
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: But then, in the same way, like you're saying earlier, Amy,

668
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: it's like the movie seems to think that all of

669
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: her insecurities and all these like toxic thoughts that she

670
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: has about herself are correct, and it's like, uh, I

671
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: don't know. And then I mean, I think another reason

672
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: this movie was such a hit and this character was

673
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: already so popular before the movie came out, and that

674
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: she's I mean, she's just a relatable rom calm heroine

675
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: in the sense that like and like she's actually relatable too,

676
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of romcom heroines that

677
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be really like relating to, you're like, um,

678
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: this is Jennifer Garner who works at a museum, Like

679
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't know this woman, or it's like, oh, Sandra

680
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: Bullock tripped and I tripped sometimes, so therefore and I'm

681
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: in the CIA. Like this one's like, oh, she's a

682
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: kind of bumbling, kind of sad gal who has a

683
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: real job, seem she has vices, you know, she drinks

684
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: and she smokes cigarettes, and she she's not good at

685
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: public speaking, and she kind of makes a fool of

686
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: herself sometimes and just yeah, some of them more I mean,

687
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: it's a lot of it is still rooted in some

688
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: pretty like trophy romcom stuff because she also prop follows

689
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: quite a bit and she works in publishing, like stuff

690
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: going on. But it's like I felt like generally, especially

691
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: for this time, she was like more relatable. Yeah, and

692
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: there there there's like moments where I'm like, am I

693
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: reading too far into this? Probably? Usually, but there I

694
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: liked that like kind of the like subtlety of like

695
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: she wants to stop drinking, smoking and eating delicious food

696
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: because she thinks that she should hate herself for doing

697
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: those things when in reality she seems to like enjoy them.

698
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: And it's like I don't know, like I just I

699
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: really related with that of like, oh, she enjoys eating

700
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: food because she is a person human and she likes

701
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: like drinking with her friends because she's a person, and

702
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: she feels that she shouldn't because of all this you

703
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: know ship we're told of like you have to look

704
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: and behave a very particular way. Yeah, the things that

705
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: make her relatable to audiences are the same thing things

706
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: that she like punishes herself for, and the movie like

707
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: encourages her to punish herself for the other thing. Like

708
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: the other part of what makes her kind of a

709
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: sad sack or a person who we as the audience

710
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: are meant to think is sad is that she's single.

711
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: Like the movie frames being a single woman as being

712
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: pathetic and age to ever exist, right, And this is

713
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: like this is a very common thing, especially like in

714
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: the rum comm genre, especially of this era, where like,

715
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, if you're not partnered off with a

716
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: man because of course you're hetero and you're older than

717
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: like wow, how pathetic And like she's feeling she's like,

718
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm so pathetic and everyone thinks I'm

719
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: pathetic and everyone's trying to set me up with someone

720
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: so that I'm not pathetic. But oh my god, it's

721
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: just like that is like who It's like that is horrible,

722
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: and we see that movies all the time. But then

723
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: on the other end, like I also the fact that

724
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: like she is experiencing loneliness in a way that like

725
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like there's two things going

726
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: on with her at all times. There's like it does

727
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: seem like her character really does want a meaningful relationship,

728
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: but then on the other end, like she's constantly pushed

729
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: into the arms of these fucking losers who are not

730
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: nice to her because she's told that she's too old

731
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: to like take her time to find someone who doesn't

732
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: super suck. And it's like I did like that. I

733
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: don't know, Like that opening scene with her is like

734
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: so iconic. She's watching Frasier and she's like kind of

735
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: drunk and kind of bummed out and kind of lonely,

736
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: and I don't even dislike that, Like there's most people

737
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: have been there at some point. But then it's like

738
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: the movie telling you that it's pathetic and it's not

739
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: like just to how things are at different moments in

740
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: your life. Yeah, well, the problem is she then is

741
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: forced to go in this you know, the whole movie

742
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: is the battle between the only two options seemingly right, Like,

743
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: she doesn't meet other men and pass them up for

744
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: these two guys. It's just the one her mom introduced

745
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: her to and her moss and that's it, and she

746
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: just has to pick one. And I feel like they're

747
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: just even reading. It was interesting reading through the reviews

748
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: of this movie at the time, because I think in

749
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: two dozen one it seemed to be kind of like

750
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: viewed as like this amazing step forward that these toxic

751
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: relationships could happen around a normal woman over thirty, when

752
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: like the reality is like, these toxic relationships shouldn't be

753
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: pushed in any movie franchise, but whatever. Like the culture

754
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: at this moment was so gaslight into thinking that characters

755
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: that are Hugh Grant and Colin Firth's age would only

756
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: go after women twenty years younger than them and would

757
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: only do a fist fight after out like over the

758
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: finnest woman of all time, And they're like, well, it's

759
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: a woman who is a normal person, and she's like,

760
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: she's a woman who's like closer to their age than normal,

761
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: even though she's still ten years younger than them. Uh oh,

762
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: she's only four years younger than than Mark Darcy, is she. Well,

763
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm talking about the actors, but yeah, I

764
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like it's not enough progress to be like,

765
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: now we can have toxic relationships with everyday women, it's

766
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: like right. Also, like just the okay, So there's that

767
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: scene where she goes to the party that was supposed

768
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: to be tarts and vicars, and no one gave her

769
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: the news, and so she dresses up in the little

770
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: like playboy bunny suit. She looks unbelievable. She's so hot.

771
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: It's just so pre posterous that that's in this movie

772
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: where she's supposed to be this like finally a real woman, Like,

773
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: she looks so hot. Also, I found it very funny

774
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: that that exact same plot point also happens in Legally Blonde,

775
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: a movie that comes out the same year, because like

776
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: both movies are a woman being told it's a costume party,

777
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: showing up in a like playboy bunny outfit turns out

778
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: it's not a costume party, and then has to like

779
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: feel humiliated that she's in this very sexy costume. Okay, Also,

780
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: why was that ever the theme for that party? Because

781
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: she shows up and it's all sixty and seven year

782
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: old people, Like, where are they really? Are they gonna

783
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: go through with this? Yeah? At what point were they

784
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: down for that? It's so bizarre. Oh, I don't know,

785
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: it's really weird. I had forgotten that about legally blonde,

786
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: and then only she and her dad didn't get the news.

787
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: So he's dressed up the size it's like breezed or whatever. Unbelievable,

788
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: very very strange. Yeah, So it's like we're supposed to

789
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: think that, first of all, Rene's Elwigger is like a

790
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: fat character, which and that that is inherently wrong by

791
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: the movie standards, both of which are deeply flawed premises.

792
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: I also like, this is a I forget if we've

793
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: ever talked about this on this show, but a very

794
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: specific grape I have as like and eating disorder head

795
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: is when people are mentioning like numbers when it comes

796
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: to wait in movies. It really bothers me because when

797
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: I was younger, it was like a teen or a

798
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: preteen hearing numbers was super like, oh, if I weigh

799
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: over this number, or like if I weigh this number,

800
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: I am bad, which takes into account absolutely nothing about

801
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: an individual person. But it was like completely god like,

802
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: there's this is so deprived think but like there's so

803
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: much of my like teen eating disorder that I can

804
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: attribute to an episode of Family Guy that it's so hot.

805
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: But it was like because they were like, if you

806
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: wait over this number, you are worthless. And if you

807
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: are like I don't know, it's like if you're over

808
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: a certain age, maybe you can be like clearly that's

809
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: a joke, and it's like satire to an extent. But

810
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: like when you're a kid and you hear Bridget Jones

811
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: say I wait this much and I need to wait

812
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: twenty less than that, I feel like that really does

813
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: like get your kind of serious brain going in a

814
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: bad way. I really. Catherine Cohen has an amazing joke

815
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: about she went on a date with a guy and

816
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: then he was like, come back to my place. You

817
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: can ride on the pegs of my bike and she

818
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: was like, no, I can't, and he was like it

819
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: can fit up to a hundred pounds and she was like,

820
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: you don't understand wait or math, she's the best. It's

821
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: so I don't know any time I move we regardless

822
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: of who the intended audiences, like, there were a lot

823
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: of young girls who saw this movie in two thousand one,

824
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: and it just I hate, like, on top of the

825
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: fact that you're having like a major plat point be

826
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: that a woman's worth is tied to her weight, saying

827
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: which weight is invaluable is like, uh yeah, and the movie,

828
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the movie is obsessed with like how she

829
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: looks her body size in the sense that like she's

830
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: always putting herself down for her weight and her size.

831
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: Other characters are doing the same thing. Nothing about that

832
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: is challenged in any way. And yeah, it's just a

833
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: very of the era. It's weird. And you guys talked

834
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: about this before on the podcast, not out myself as

835
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: a big fan, um, but but like they kind of

836
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: hint like they're going to challenge it, but then they don't.

837
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: Like it's like almost like if we present this, it counts,

838
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, because that horrible woman that that's in the

839
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: bathroom that Hugh Grant has turns out, is engaged engaged

840
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: to she goes, I wrote it down because it was

841
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: so horrific. She goes, I thought you said she was

842
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: thin about so it's coming from the mouth of like

843
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: the villain, right, but then she's criticized for it for

844
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: the whole movie, So you don't know that the movie's

845
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: point of view is very confused. It's very murky. It's

846
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: so because it's like they're the setup could do something

847
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: interesting to like comment on how like I don't think

848
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: it's un like it's hard to say it's unrealistic that

849
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: Bridget Jones tearing her body to shreds and like being

850
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: extremely critical of herself is unrealistic. But then but then

851
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: it but then nothing happened. It's just like she she's right.

852
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: I guess their answer would be that Colin Firth says,

853
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: why I like you just the way you are? That

854
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: would be what they're saying, is right anything, which her

855
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: friends are like, wait a minute, he likes you the

856
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: way you are, not twenty pounds lighter or whatever. They say.

857
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: They're like, they think that is unbelievable because even her

858
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: friends think of her that way. Kind of right, Yeah,

859
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: according to that statement, Yeah, and you can like Galaxy

860
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: brand that as well and be like, well, we know

861
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: all of her friends are also very insecure in a

862
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: lot of the same ways, and so there is which

863
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: is like again, it's like that is not something that

864
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: doesn't happen if like I know that whatever, if this

865
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: was a movie targeted at our mom's basically of like,

866
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: I know that my mom would hang out with her

867
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: friends and they would you know, kind of like talk

868
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: a lot about their insecurities and maybe not in a

869
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: way that was helpful or healthy towards each other. But

870
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: it's like it's a movie, you know, Like what's the point,

871
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: you know, other than being like this, I don't know.

872
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: I just like, you have this huge opportunity to say

873
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: something too a mostly female audience, so to say nothing

874
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: and just be like, yeah, we're really fucked, aren't we.

875
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: Here's a fantasy where you you're like married off to

876
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: a toxic guy, but at least he's hot, Like it's

877
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: just only horrible to you for many years. Yeah, Like, oh,

878
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: it's so, I don't know. I wasn't expecting to love

879
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: Bridget as much as I did. I'm really I mean,

880
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: I really have rooting for her throughout and she does

881
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: like managed to she does a lot of like pretty

882
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: amazing things in this movie that I feel like the

883
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: movie doesn't even really reward her for very much of Like,

884
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: she completely pivots her career in the middle of the

885
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: movie after she has this horrible experience with her boss,

886
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: who you know, realistically that should have gotten him fired,

887
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: although we know that rarely actually happens. But then she

888
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: totally pivots her entire life, and I was like, wait

889
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 1: a second, that's that's amazing, Like she becomes a TV

890
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: producer and like, but then but now it's like, I

891
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: don't know, it just feels kind of strange that not

892
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: a lot of like her victories and like what she

893
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: does to change her predicament, Like it's immediately forgotten about

894
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: the second one of the British guys enters the scene. Yeah,

895
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: because the story, the trajectory of the story is not

896
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: really focused on her career. It's all about the relationships

897
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: with these two men, which I mean, is now the

898
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: time to get into that. Well, let's take a quick

899
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: break because there's about to be a lot and then

900
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: we'll come right back. We're back, really really good. Before

901
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: we get to the men, I did want to say

902
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: that I guess again, this is like very I feel

903
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: like movies of this time like these like early third

904
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: wave feminism attempts at movie making, Like at very least,

905
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: we do see a lot of women working, and we

906
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: do know like any in high powered jobs. Yeah, like

907
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 1: we know what they do. We know that they're generally

908
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: pretty successful at what they do. We'll have a conversation

909
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: about Bridget's mom in a bit like I was generally

910
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: encouraged about like how much you see about women, and

911
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: like Bridget, outside of her rocky start at the TV station,

912
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: seems to be pretty good at what she does and

913
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: seems to be like interested in what she's doing. Um,

914
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: which is a very like it feels like crumbs now,

915
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: But I was like, okay, movie, did you reading that

916
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: Rene's elwigger worked at a publishing house for a month

917
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: to research? No, Wow, that doesn't feel necessary even you

918
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: really do not understand at all what she does for

919
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: work in the movie. Does not feel necessary. No, but

920
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: I read she worked at a publishing house for a month.

921
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,959
Speaker 1: She like did a disguise and something so that people

922
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: couldn't tell who she was, and you know who she was.

923
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: She was dating Jim Carrey at the time, and she

924
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: had a framed picture of him on her desk, and

925
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: people would be like, that's weird, but no one said

926
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: anything that's extremely weird. So I don't know why Renee's

927
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: elwigger Jim Carrey early two thousands relationship totally makes sense

928
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: to me. But I'm like, you know what it. I

929
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: get it, that makes sense, But yeah, I don't think you. Uh,

930
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that she needed to go with that

931
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: method and do that that little stint. Unfortunately, the movie

932
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: does not have that much to do with her job

933
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: for her career aspirations or really. I'm like, I couldn't

934
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: tell you what her job was. She worked in publicity.

935
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: She's like the publicity for the publishing house. I guess

936
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: because he does that really demeaning line where he's like,

937
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: you just come in and out with your memos and

938
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: you don't know anything about what it's going on or whatever. Um.

939
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: But no, you're totally right. They do have her. I

940
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: never know her name, but to me, she's moaning myrtle

941
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: her friend. Yes, oh my god, I didn't put that together.

942
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: The character's name is Jude Dude. But she she they

943
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: mentioned she has a big fancy job too. But then

944
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: she calls crying from the bathroom about the guy. But

945
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: she has a job. I guess where she's calling from,

946
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: ding dong, Like, yeah, we do know what women do.

947
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: It just never really comes into the plot outside of

948
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: Bridget's career change, which I thought should have gotten a

949
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: little bit more attention. Yeah, right, she has as a

950
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: journalist who says, fuck, that's all we know. Yeah, and

951
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: then there's all those lady barristers. True, yes, I mean

952
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: we only know them in the context of the other women,

953
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: like you know, Colin for its other woman. But she

954
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: is a lady barrister, that's true. And I will say

955
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: barrister as often as possible from you're on out. Um. Okay,

956
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: So let's I was supposed to start with. Okay, I

957
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: guess Daniel Cleaver is where I want to start a k.

958
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: Hugh Grant Okay, Okay, here's everything that's wrong with him.

959
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: He's a sexual harasser, big time time horrific, horrific, which like, okay,

960
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: what what is baffling to me in that scenario is

961
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: that he starts emailing her with like extremely sexually suggestive comments. Again,

962
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: it's like a quick run of the Bishemy test is

963
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: like it's a no, right, but you know, because the

964
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: movie is like, but hey, it's Hugh Grant who's trying

965
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: arming and cute, so it's fine, which, according to his

966
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: personal life section, is also how Hugh Grant lives his life,

967
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: so he's doing that. She does call him out for

968
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: sexually harassing her, but it is framed as a joke

969
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: because it's like her calling him out is part of

970
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: the flirtation um, which sends a very harmful message that like, no,

971
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: women are actually asking for it. They want to be

972
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: sexually harassed, which is obviously horrendous. On top of that,

973
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: he is a pathological liar. He is a gaslighter, he's

974
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: a womanizer, he's a cheater. Like he's just he doesn't

975
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: tell a single truth the entire movie. So between the

976
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: two men, I would say he is the more toxic one. Yes, yes,

977
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: but but but that's such two thousand's movie a lot.

978
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: If we're forced to put in it's like, well you

979
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: have you legally, you're contractually obligated to be in a

980
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: long term relationship with one of these assholes, and then

981
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: it's just like damage control. It's so depressing. It's that

982
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: classic like love triangle scenario where like a woman's caught

983
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: between two men, both of them are damaged for different reasons,

984
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: and it's a matter of like which one do I want?

985
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: The vampire or the werewolf? Do I want emotional abuser

986
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: or the man who's emotionally withholding I seem to decide

987
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: that the love triangle belongs to pride and prejudice, and

988
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: if you're going to do a love triangle, you have

989
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: to say it's it's a adaptation of pride and prejudice,

990
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: like there can be other triangles. Yeah, it's so frustrating,

991
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: and I feel like there's like a few moments thrown

992
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: in for Hugh Grant's character where you're supposed to be like,

993
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: not that bad a guy, like I don't know, little

994
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: insidious details like the fact that you are set up

995
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: to think that he's going to make fun of bridgets underwear,

996
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: which he does, but not in the way that she expects,

997
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: and so it's like, oh, wow, he wasn't completely cruel

998
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: to me about my underwear. I was about to say

999
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: that the canoe scene is supposed to be the one

1000
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: that teaches you that he's actually like fun charming, but

1001
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: he comes into her canoe against her will, right, It's

1002
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: like she doesn't want him to and it's very dangerous.

1003
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: He's like not even clearing the bar that we put

1004
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: on the floor for him, so tripping over it and

1005
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: falling flat on his face. But I feel like there

1006
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: are those little details are supposed to be the ones

1007
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: that like convinced us like, oh, he's not that bad

1008
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: a guy. He seems like a womanizer, but look he

1009
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: accepts her body, and look he's goofing around, and it's

1010
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: like this is not enough. We need more for bridge It.

1011
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to need marka Bridget And what the movie

1012
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: wants you to think is more for her is Mark Darcy.

1013
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: So let's go through him. So, like we mentioned earlier,

1014
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: he is extremely cruel to her from the very beginning.

1015
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: So and then after that, in the various moments where

1016
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: they are very just like coincidentally in the same place,

1017
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: he's usually just ignoring her or being very I don't

1018
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: even know, just stuffy and weird. Again, it feels his carecter.

1019
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: The Darcy character feels like the only Jane austen E

1020
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: character in the movie. It's so weird, like he does

1021
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: feel actually Mr Darcy ish to me where it's like

1022
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: a standoffish asshole who's like withholding his emotions. And then

1023
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: it's like, actually, I have all these feelings but never

1024
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: ask me about them again. Like he's the only Jane

1025
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: Austen character in the movie. And it's weird because it's

1026
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, right, I think that's really all

1027
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: she wanted to use. Yeah, I don't think it's ultimately,

1028
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I this whole thing makes me want

1029
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,919
Speaker 1: to read the book because I would imagine the book

1030
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: is more of a condemnation of the way society tells

1031
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: her to his way in bla blah blah. But that's

1032
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,959
Speaker 1: like just a hopeful idea because the book is written

1033
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: by the woman and then the movie is written by

1034
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: her with three white men. I think, yeah, yeah, I'm

1035
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: excited to get into the hell and fielding a. Yeah yeah, Mark,

1036
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: Mark sucks like he he sucks. He's he's like, um,

1037
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: by the way, I actually like you a lot, even

1038
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: though he's done absolutely nothing to show this, nor would

1039
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: he like they haven't even talked to each other, so

1040
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: how would he know that he likes her? And I

1041
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: fully think that the moment where we're supposed to think

1042
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: that Mark is an awesome guy is when he can

1043
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: cook an omelet. That's where we're like, oh wow, he's

1044
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: actually like woke king because he can cook an Like

1045
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: just the standards for these men are so low. It's like,

1046
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: if you can fry an egg, you can marry Rene's elwigger,

1047
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: and it's like, that's just that we have to eat.

1048
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,439
Speaker 1: We have to want more for her. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah.

1049
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: His whole thing is that he's just so emotionally distant

1050
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: and withholding. And then the big thing for me when

1051
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, he's awful is that

1052
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: he invades her privacy when he finds what is clearly

1053
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: her diary and then proceeds to read it. It's unbelievable.

1054
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: We literally saw her write what it is on the

1055
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: first page two times and then he reads it um

1056
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: And the only thing that I was like, Okay, this

1057
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: is I guess slightly not even redeemable for him, but

1058
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: that he did the bare minimum decent thing to do.

1059
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: And I was surprised by it because we never even

1060
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: see the bare minimum decent thing for a man to do.

1061
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: But he does ask for sent to kiss her at

1062
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: the end, after he reads her diary. He's like, I

1063
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: forgot to kiss you goodbye? Do you mind? And then

1064
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: he waits for a response. He reads her diary while

1065
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: she's changing into tiny panties for him because she was

1066
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: so ashamed by Hugh Grant for her other ones. Oh

1067
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: I didn't even make that connection. Oh that's so leave

1068
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: Bridget alone. I feel like Mark is really the personification

1069
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: of that like shitty thing that a lot of girls

1070
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: are taught that. It's like if a man is meet

1071
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: to you, it meets he has a crush on you,

1072
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: and it's just that ideology, except he's forty and it's

1073
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: all true where it's like, normally when men are girl,

1074
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: do you it's literally just because um, they're not nice people,

1075
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: they don't respect women. But but in Mark's case, he

1076
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: is actually just He just doesn't know how to exp

1077
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: He only knows how to express himself by insulting women,

1078
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: and so she should give him a chance. He also,

1079
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: like we've already mentioned, starts just showing up unannounced. He's

1080
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: it's so weird, especially when the biggest win of Bridget's career.

1081
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: I would like that moment where she like nails the

1082
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: story and they're like, Wow, she's such a charming host.

1083
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: We love this girl. Was because Mark showed up somewhere.

1084
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: I just wish that she had gotten a win that

1085
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: was independent of guy hands it to her. Yeah, the interview,

1086
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: I mean, she does great at the interview, but she

1087
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: gives it to her. And then the scene where they fight, which, again,

1088
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: this is usually presented in movies. If two men are

1089
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: fighting over a woman, it's because they just love her

1090
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: so much, And isn't it so romantic that they're beating

1091
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: each other to a pulp over you? And at the

1092
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: very least she rejects both of them right after this fight. Yeah,

1093
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: I did like that, But that is grounds enough that,

1094
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: Like if two men are like so toxic in their

1095
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: masculinity that they are going to physically fight each other

1096
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: and then she ends up with one of them, that no, right,

1097
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care for that. I was scared

1098
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: she was gonna take Hugh Grant inside and go nurse

1099
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: his wounds. I was so glad she did it. I mean,

1100
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: that's like of the few wins that I do. It's

1101
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: never enough, But I do like the two moments where

1102
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 1: she kind of like hands Hugh Grants asked back to

1103
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: him this moment and then when she tells him to

1104
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: funk off at work, I mean he should have gotten

1105
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: fucking fired for clearly having sex with every female coworker

1106
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: he's attracted to and like relentlessly hitting on them, because

1107
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: you could like build a story where that American woman

1108
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: Lisa or Liza could be in a very similar situation

1109
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: to Bridget and probably is where she is like being

1110
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: hit on by her boss and doesn't have anywhere else

1111
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: to work, and it's like that classic horrible situation for

1112
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: women in the workplace of like, well, if I don't,

1113
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, do what he wants me to do, then

1114
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: am I going to have a job or not? And

1115
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: so it's not what I would how I would want

1116
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: that sea to end. But I do like the Bridget

1117
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: at least as like go fund yourself. I'm I'm out

1118
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: of here. So I don't know. It's so there's both

1119
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: so awful and the fight too. I was like, I

1120
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out how I felt about the

1121
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: fight because it is funny to watch, and I feel

1122
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: like there is I don't know. I feel like in

1123
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: romcoms we sometimes see it's okay, tell me if this

1124
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: is if I should just put my head through a

1125
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: shredder and then I will. But I do feel like

1126
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 1: with this fight, it was it was filmed a little

1127
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: more like two women fighting over a guy than two men,

1128
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: like you know, in combat, which I thought was like,

1129
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: I don't really think it's better or worse. I just

1130
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting because I don't think you I

1131
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: feel like you more frequently see women pulling each other's

1132
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: hair in like fights like this than you see men

1133
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: throwing like I mean, they're not fighting well, they're fighting

1134
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: like really badly. I don't think it's good or bad.

1135
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: I just sort of had that thought of, like, it

1136
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 1: seems like they're having a similar fight to when in

1137
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 1: the genre women are like, you know, tearing each other's

1138
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: hair as opposed to like, I don't know, being at

1139
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: war like they're they're they're not good fighters. It was

1140
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: funny to watch. It is so long, it's really I

1141
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: hate them both. Yeah. You know who ends up being

1142
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: the feminist hero of this movie is you know, when

1143
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: she goes on the series of job interviews to try

1144
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: to find a new job in TV or whatever, and

1145
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: ultimately the last one she admits, like I had an

1146
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: affair with my boss and he is making my life

1147
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: hell or whatever. And the guy goes, Okay, fine, you

1148
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: start Monday. That guy was like understanding about how like

1149
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: her former toxic workplace, like she couldn't. But then he's actually,

1150
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: he's like, also, if you suck the boss, we won't fire.

1151
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: You know. I liked her being honest about it for

1152
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: a second though. She was like, I can no longer

1153
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: stay in my toxic workplace, you know. But then no, never,

1154
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: I take back everything I just said. He's only understanding

1155
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: because he also wants to have sex with her. Right

1156
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, so you suck your boss? Is like

1157
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: that horrific. I love Bridget, though, you know it's hard.

1158
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: I can't get who does she? Okay, Caitlin, you've seen

1159
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: the movies after this? Who does she? Does she end

1160
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: up with? Anyone? What happens? I'll give you a very

1161
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: brief rundown. So Bridget Jones Edge of Reason, which I

1162
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 1: think came out in two thousand four. It sounds like

1163
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 1: a James Bond End of Reason. So the story there

1164
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: is it picks up like six weeks after the first

1165
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: movie ends. She's in a relationship with Mark Darcy, and

1166
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,560
Speaker 1: she's like, I can't believe he hasn't asked me to

1167
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: marry him yet, even though we've only been dating for

1168
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: six weeks. I mean, how long is he dating Natasha?

1169
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: You know, three minutes? We don't know. Okay. So he

1170
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,560
Speaker 1: is in like another kind of like barrister partnership with

1171
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: another woman who um, she keeps thinking that he might

1172
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: be having an affair with um. They break up at

1173
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: some point, I think, And then she starts working with

1174
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: Hugh Grant again, who is also now working in television.

1175
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: He's also made the same exact career switch. Um. He's

1176
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: like a travel show personality. So she goes with him

1177
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: to Thailand. And if you are like I wonder if

1178
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of racist stuff that happens in that storyline,

1179
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: you would be correct. And then she gets arrested and

1180
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: thrown in a Thai prison what for a large portion

1181
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: of the movie. And then Mark Darcy has to like

1182
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: basically use all of his like connections to get her

1183
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: out of this Thai prison. But he like plays it

1184
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: off like, oh, I'm just the messenger. I didn't do

1185
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: any of this for you. But then she finds out, oh,

1186
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: he did do it all for her, and she's like,

1187
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: he must still love me, and then shows she like

1188
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: goes to him at the end and they're like, well,

1189
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: I guess we're in love again. And basically the same

1190
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: exact like plot points happen in the second movie as

1191
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: do in the first movie. It's just like some of

1192
01:13:56,439 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: the right. So that's the gist of Edge of Reason.

1193
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: Now bridget Jones's baby, which came out and I believe

1194
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: so like over a decade after even the Edge of Reason. Um,

1195
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say about it. It is two hours long,

1196
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: which is at least a half hour longer than it

1197
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: needs to be. It is so long and very slow

1198
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: and very boring. Um. Hugh Grant's character is dead. What

1199
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: they kill off Daniel Cleaver so he refused to come back.

1200
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: He didn't want to do the movie. He was shooting Patty.

1201
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: He's like, I busy exactly exactly. That would have been

1202
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: like the right timeline. Yeah. I think that's so weird.

1203
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: What how did he die? I want to know how

1204
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: he died? He died? Um, I think something like he

1205
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: was flying like a private Sorry, my neighbor's dog is barking,

1206
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: but um, if you can hear it, but um, he

1207
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,959
Speaker 1: was flying like a private plane and then like crashed

1208
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: it or something, so he's he's not in the movie. Instead,

1209
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: the love triangle is with Patrick Dempsey this time. No,

1210
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: he's especially hot in this movie. I was going to

1211
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 1: ask if I should watch these in between Thai Prison

1212
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 1: and Patrick Dempsey and uh so she has sex with

1213
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: both Patrick Dempsey and Colin Firth within a few days

1214
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: of each other, and then she gets pregnant, but she

1215
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: doesn't know who the father is and she leads them

1216
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: to believe they're both the father, and then Hi Jinks

1217
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: and Sue, I kind of like this swim better. He's funny. Yeah,

1218
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 1: like this is kind of fun more fun to me

1219
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: than the second one sounds. That's such a bold move

1220
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: to kill off Hugh grat That's so funny, especially because

1221
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: Renee Sellwinger and like Colin Firth by sixteen, they both

1222
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: have oscars and they're still game. But Hugh Grant is like,

1223
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: I am not available. It's like if it's Paddington too,

1224
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: I have no issue. True, you need to find out

1225
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: why and then we can decide if we're going to

1226
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: judge it. Um, but the skip ahead, you know, fifteen

1227
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: seconds or whatever for the spoiler of Bridget Jones Baby.

1228
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: But at the end of that movie, Bridget and Mark

1229
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: Darcy ak Colin Firth get married and it was baby

1230
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: was I don't even remember. I think they like figure

1231
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: out like genealogically that it is Colin Firth, but I

1232
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: truly was like only half paying attention, kind of fun

1233
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: of Colin Firth raised Patrick's dempsies Baby there. Okay, So

1234
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: if you were like doing a power ranking of the

1235
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: three Bridget Jones that's what's your what's your ranking? I

1236
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: would say the first movie I like the best, and

1237
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: the Baby one I like the least. Also, especially because

1238
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: like it came out five years ago and it is

1239
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 1: really no less problematic than these ones from the early

1240
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: two thousand's. That is there more than one book? Is

1241
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: the book? Is it a series? It is a series.

1242
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: I know that at least the first to like Bridget

1243
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: Jones Diary and Bridget Jones The Edge of Reason, we're

1244
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: also the name of the books. I don't know how

1245
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 1: long this series went on for, but that's a that's

1246
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: a great pivot into a little bit of context corner

1247
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: stuff with Helen Fielding. I mean it's nothing that is

1248
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: like completely earth shattering, but the the Bridget Jones is

1249
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: like written and based on the life of Helen Fielding,

1250
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: who wrote the books, who isn't Bridget Jones exactly but

1251
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: has a lot in common with her. She worked in

1252
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: publishing and then she made a career pivot in her

1253
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: thirties to work as a TV producer, which is incidentally

1254
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: where she meets the director of this movie, Sharon McGuire.

1255
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: They were both working at BBC in like the nineties

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Speaker 1: Helen Fielding started writing this column. It all sounds vaguely

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01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: like British Sex in the City, basically where Helen Fielding

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01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: starts writing this column anonymously about her life as a

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Speaker 1: single thirtiesomething. It gets popular, she fictionalizes more of it

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Speaker 1: and turns it into this novel, which becomes bridge Gen's diary.

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Speaker 1: The book becomes really popular, uh than she gets. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the fact that this movie is direct like a rom

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01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,560
Speaker 1: com in the early two thousand's directed by a woman, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: is pretty huge unbelievable. Um and and I feel like

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Speaker 1: there are some choices where I'm like, oh, I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad that there was a female director for this like

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01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily trust a male director to not just

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Speaker 1: be super obsessed with the protagonist body and like all

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01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: this other ship that I thought was at least more

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01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 1: tastefully handled. But anyways, Helen Fielding and Sharon McGuire are friends.

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Speaker 1: They're on this come up together. Um. What I think

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Speaker 1: is most interesting is that Helen Fielding, so because this

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01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: movie is turning twenty years old pretty soon. Um, there's

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01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 1: been a lot of like anniversary reflections. There was a

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01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: whole documentary on the BBC that you can't watch in

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01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 1: the States, so I don't know what happens. But basically

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Speaker 1: Helen Fielding has been reflecting on Bridget Jones, you know,

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01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 1: twenty five years after conceiving the character and watching this

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Speaker 1: movie back, and she gave like this really interesting quote

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Speaker 1: I would like to share about her experience watching back

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01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: this movie with her kid, um, who I think is

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01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: like in their twenties now. Um, So this is from

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01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: like December of last year. So this is from a

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01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: Guardian article and it goes like this quote, Bridget Jones

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Speaker 1: creator Helen Fielding is now shocked by the sexism her

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Speaker 1: character face, the writer has revealed looking back twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: Fielding said she would not be able to write the

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01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: story now. Watching the hit film of her first book

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01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 1: recently with her children, she was staggered. Helen Fielding says

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01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: the level of sexism that Bridget was dealing with, the

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01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 1: hand on the bum and so many of the scenes

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01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: made it quite shocking for me to see how things,

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01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: how much things have changed since then, Fielding told radio

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01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: host uh Fielding added that she was particularly struck by

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01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 1: a scene in which Bridget's fictional boss demands a shot

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01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: of the boobs. Seeing old attitudes that were just part

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01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,879
Speaker 1: and parcel of her life depicted on screen again was alarming.

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01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: Although her heroine, played by Renee's Elwiger, is not a

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01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: passive victim, in the end, she turned around and stuck

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01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: it to them. Um So I thought, I thought it

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01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: was interesting to see, like, while this is like not

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01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: the triumphant feminist tale, like that, even like the author's

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01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 1: understanding of her own work, which is to an extent

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01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: a reflection of how she saw herself and her own

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01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,560
Speaker 1: life at that time, has changed over years and with

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01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: all the you know not I mean with the progress

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01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: that has taken place since Bridget Jones as a character

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01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: was conceived in the mid nineties. The author is like,

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01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, that was so bad. That was so

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01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: and in ways she didn't even realize as she was

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01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: writing the character. So I thought that was like kind

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01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: of a cool I don't know, you, I feel like

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01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: most writers don't give you that kind of level of

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01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,560
Speaker 1: insight into their own work. Later on, Yeah, because you

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01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: do see stuff that again we with our lens, we

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01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: very clearly notice things that again we're just so normalized

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01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: in that era that just strike us so alarmingly as

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01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: just being very problematic, Like, yeah, she's subject to so

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01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: much sexual harassment, Like there's a creepy like uncle figure

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01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: character who's harassing her, and that is like played for

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01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: laughs arguably in the movie, but not because like I

1322
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: don't think the writer was like, oh, let's laugh at

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01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: women getting sexually harassed. It's more just like that was

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01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: the mentality of that era and the same thing with

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01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: their boss too, or like that it's so weird. That

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01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: was like I wrote down like self bouschemy test where

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01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: you see her be hit on by two of her bosses,

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01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: but one she doesn't find attractive and so it's creepy.

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01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 1: And then when she does find attractive, so it's right.

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01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: And I was just like, well, there's a level of

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01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: self awareness happening there, and yeah, I mean I feel

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01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: Bridget as very much like a product of her environment

1333
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: almost of like it's I kind of hesitate to fault

1334
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: her for how hard she is in herself, because that

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01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: is all the that's the only message and feedback she's getting,

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01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: even from people who love her, even from her friends

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01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 1: and family, they're like, you're so, what's wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: And so it's kind of like, well, you know, unless

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01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: you have this, like unless you're like reading through feminist

1340
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 1: text day in and day out, like what you know,

1341
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: what are you supposed to do as a normal person

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01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: if everyone in your life is telling you that you're

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01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: like not worthy. I don't know. I really feel for

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01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: her and I'm glad she exists. So it's like, I

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01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: don't know, I love Bridgets Die, I don't love her diet,

1346
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 1: but like I'm pro diary and anti the plot of

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01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: the movie. I think what also makes you wonder like,

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01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: since she spends so much of her diary railing against

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01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 1: Mark Darcy and saying how much she hates him and

1350
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: how awful he is, why does she end up with him,

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01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,759
Speaker 1: but also he wasn't a very big part of her life.

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01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 1: She's spending a lot of diary space on someone she

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01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: doesn't really talk to at all. Yeah, but you know

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01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: what's so interesting about hearing that quote is how many

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01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 1: female screenwriters can now reflect on a movie they had

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01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: made twenty years ago. That's just so rare. Like the

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01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 1: fact that it was I mean, she co wrote the

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01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: screenplay with a couple of dudes, but like the fact

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01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 1: that it was co written and directed by a woman

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01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,600
Speaker 1: in two thousand, two thousand, and then came out in

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01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. Yeah, Yeah, it's I'm like, I

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01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: was really glad that she was kind of like down

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01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: to interact on that level and not get because I did,

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01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: like so many writers and I don't even like, I mean,

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01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 1: it's like just people get defensive when you're like, why

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01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: is Bridget Jones? Like why is everyone so mean to her?

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01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: And she's like, I guess that's just kind of how

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01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:35,600
Speaker 1: I felt, And like she also kind of comments on

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01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like there's some kind of

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01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: like there was a string of articles that came out

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01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 1: in when the Bridget Jones Baby was coming out that

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01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,520
Speaker 1: we're kind of just like Bridget Jones isn't a feminist,

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01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: so screw her, like, which I think is kind of like, Okay,

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01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 1: that's kind of weak. But Helen Fielding kind of talks

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01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: about that in where she says, quote at the time,

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01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 1: Bridget said being a feminist with a capital F was

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01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,759
Speaker 1: another thing she felt she wasn't very good at. What's

1378
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 1: great now is that feminism has sort of lost its

1379
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: capital F unquote, which I really I thought that quote

1380
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: was like super insightful of like, I don't know, like

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01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: I think it is interesting to have a character like

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01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: Bridget who seems to like want to feel good about

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01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: herself and she doesn't seem to really carry a lot

1384
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 1: of hatred or judgment for other women in her life. Um,

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01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 1: and so it does seem like she is like kind

1386
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: of this like aspiring feminist character, but she's just she's

1387
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: not given any tools or any people in her life

1388
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 1: to kind of get her there. And so I kind

1389
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know the idea of there's like

1390
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: kind of this romantic rom com icon who's like this

1391
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: very imperfect, aspiring feminist, Like that's that's cool. I just

1392
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 1: wish that the plot was mostly different. I wish that

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01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: you liked either of the male options at all, a

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01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: single redeeming quality I take, I take, or even like

1395
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 1: you know whatever. I know so little about Sex of

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01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: the City, but like I do know how the TV

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01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: show ends, and it's like, just choose to be single

1398
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 1: at the end, Like that would be honestly given the

1399
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: characters were given a pretty logical decision in this movie.

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01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: Is like her journey being feeling from like needing that

1401
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: she needs to be in a relationship to realizing that

1402
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: she actually doesn't, and then it's like she can There's

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01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: so much in her life to be happy about. I

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01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 1: don't know. Um, I just wanted to touch on a

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01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 1: couple other very of the early two thousand's era. Um,

1406
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: just things you hate to see. One this movie is painfully,

1407
01:26:56,120 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 1: painfully white. Bridget seems to only know other white people.

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01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: There is reference to Mark Darcy's ex wife who was Japanese,

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01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: and we never see her. We always never like leg

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01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 1: we see her legs getting railed. Yeah, we see the

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01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: legs of a woman who is having in the flash

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01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: body double. But that's it. Um. But Japanese people are

1413
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: referred to as being a cruel race no less than

1414
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: three or four times throughout the movie, usually from Bridget's mom.

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01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: But then Bridget, even I think, says it was clearly yeah,

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01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: it's like a joke for for them in a way,

1417
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: it's not so um you know, that's awful. British's mom

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01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 1: also makes a holocaust joke within the first five minutes

1419
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: in the movie, like two minutes of movie. It is unbelievable, horrifying.

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01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 1: I had to rewind it to be like, wait, is

1421
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 1: like us to us too. I was like, Wede, let's

1422
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 1: just let's check that out. Uh yeah, and then these

1423
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: go completely unchallenged. Bridget has a like token gay best

1424
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: friend character who and I had to ask one of

1425
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: my British friends, how like offensive the word? And I

1426
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: don't even want to say. Okay, I had this question too, Okay,

1427
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 1: what what is the answer? So it's basically the equivalent

1428
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,560
Speaker 1: of like the American version of the F word that

1429
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: is a homophobic slur. Not great. So the word the

1430
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 1: P word, that is a homophobic slur used in England

1431
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: gets used a lot in this movie. If I'm wrong

1432
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 1: about this, like for our like British listeners, let us know. Um,

1433
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm not famously, we just don't know. We're famously not British,

1434
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: and we don't know the nuances of your homophobic slurs.

1435
01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:00,600
Speaker 1: So that Tom was another care to her that I'm like,

1436
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know, Like it's he clearly is filling

1437
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: the gay best friend role in her life. But I

1438
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 1: would also argue that he's no better or worse written

1439
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: than the other women in the room. Like I think

1440
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: we actually know more about him than we know about Chas.

1441
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 1: He has like a bit because he wrote that hit

1442
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: song nine years ago or something or something. It's kind

1443
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,839
Speaker 1: of a fun like it's a fun bit. I mean, ultimately,

1444
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 1: it's like, the only you know, openly gay character we

1445
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 1: have is there to just I mean, only exists in

1446
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 1: relation to Bridget and it's like very much fulfilling the

1447
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 1: gay best friend. But but in terms of her friend group,

1448
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 1: I guess I would say we know one thing about

1449
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,680
Speaker 1: each of them, except for Chaser, who we know no

1450
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 1: things about. She likes to say fuck, and that's the

1451
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: main thing that people know about me. So I don't know,

1452
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: that's how we talk about you, Caitlin, Like, everyone be careful.

1453
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: Caitlin's coming over and she's gonna shape bus to say,

1454
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: try not to gasp when she does it. Um, those

1455
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 1: are the main things that that I noticed. I went

1456
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 1: to really really really quick. I do that we're starting

1457
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: to we're quickly approaching the run time of the movie,

1458
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,759
Speaker 1: but I wanted to really quick talk about bridgets parents

1459
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 1: for a second, because they do have a small arc

1460
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: that again I was like, I was interested in as

1461
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: it was starting, and then by the end, I was like, really,

1462
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 1: where we get I mean Bridget and her mom, we

1463
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,719
Speaker 1: get a little bit of insight into their relationship. Again,

1464
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: some people will argue that this is like a Jane

1465
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: Austin contrivance, but I think it's just more of a

1466
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:48,679
Speaker 1: general contrivance of like mother really wants you to get married,

1467
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: but father is chilling pretty nice. Like I think that

1468
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: that's a very common, annoying contrivance that is just made

1469
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 1: to make older women look shrewy kind of just for

1470
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: no reason. So that already is like, okay, come on.

1471
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 1: But on top of that, I was interested in that

1472
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: scene where Bridget's mom is like, I'm not satisfied with

1473
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,560
Speaker 1: my life and like I'm you know, getting older and

1474
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 1: I've never gotten to have a satisfying career or like

1475
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: things to sex or sex, like she's dissatisfied with where

1476
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: her life is at, and it's like, Okay, this is interesting.

1477
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: We don't usually get storylines like this, And so Bridget's

1478
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: mom goes off. She basically started working on qvc uh

1479
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,560
Speaker 1: and which is like, you know, great for her, but

1480
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 1: it's also inherently connected to her relationship with another man,

1481
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: which didn't need to be. And then by the end

1482
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: she quote unquote gets over it, even though this solves

1483
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: none of her marital issues. And then it's supposed to

1484
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 1: seem like really chill of Jim Broadbent of Mulan Rouge

1485
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,959
Speaker 1: fame and Paddington Fame. Again, he's Mr Grouper and Paddington.

1486
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 1: Damn what I mean, King, We love Jim Brad Paddington

1487
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 1: connections are all over the place. It does just seem

1488
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 1: like they have fifteen actors total intain And yet when

1489
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,919
Speaker 1: we bring Renee Zellweger, when we bring a glorious American

1490
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: export like Renee Zellwiger, people get mad. Um. They're also

1491
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: in the IMDb trivia is all sorts of about how

1492
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: many of them were in the Harry Potter series too. Yes,

1493
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of overlap there as well that tracks,

1494
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 1: but like at the end, it's supposed to seem like, oh,

1495
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 1: Jim brad Bent takes her back and isn't that a

1496
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 1: satisfying conclusion, And it's like, well, no, none of her

1497
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:44,759
Speaker 1: problems have been addressed or solved and he showed no growth,

1498
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 1: like her father's mad at her for like doing what

1499
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: she wanted with her Like it's like, you don't know

1500
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 1: in the same way that both of like it's almost

1501
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: like a toxic like generational trauma story where in the

1502
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 1: same way that Jim Broadbent does not care really about

1503
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 1: who his wife his wife is, like, nor does Colin

1504
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,560
Speaker 1: Firth really care who Bridget Jones is, and we're just

1505
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 1: taken the same scraps that are offered to us generation

1506
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,680
Speaker 1: in and out. I was so bummed out with that

1507
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 1: because I thought that was like a funny, interesting story

1508
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 1: of like, oh, she's like forging her own path and

1509
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 1: it's like kind of dorky and kind of messy, but

1510
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: like go mom, But then it's not. Yeah, I was

1511
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: so frustrated by that because she leaves Bridget's dad because

1512
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:40,679
Speaker 1: none of her like emotional or sexual needs or being

1513
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: met in this marriage, which is huge for that for

1514
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 1: women of that generation, Like that's a hugely And she's like,

1515
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, like strike out on my own,

1516
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: do my own thing. And then she basically just goes

1517
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: immediately into the arms of a different man who treats

1518
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: her worse. So then she just retreats back to Jim Broadbent,

1519
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 1: even though he's again just like demonstrated no indication that

1520
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 1: he has like that he's going to treat her better

1521
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,560
Speaker 1: or be more attentive to her needs or anything like that,

1522
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 1: which now that we're saying it is literally what is

1523
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 1: happening to her daughter, Like q Grant is the QBC guy,

1524
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 1: and Bridget's dad is Colin Firth. Oh, I wonder if

1525
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 1: that was on purpose or if just if life is

1526
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 1: that bleak. But I was so I wanted, I mean,

1527
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 1: all the women of the Jones family, I'm just like,

1528
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:44,640
Speaker 1: come on, come on, truly truly. But that said, I

1529
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 1: love I love Jimma Jones, She's always fun. I love her,

1530
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: and I love Jim Broadbent. And I didn't realize that

1531
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 1: the friend was moaning myrtle. But now I can't stop thinking, well,

1532
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 1: that was a complete mind funk for me because when

1533
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: I saw the Harry Potter movie that she first shows

1534
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: up in, which is Chamber of Secrets, I think, like

1535
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 1: she's supposed to be like a teenager who would have,

1536
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 1: like Bean a student at Hogwarts, and then you see

1537
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 1: her in other movies when she's a full adult, and

1538
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, this person is not

1539
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 1: like six, supposed to be like fifteen. Yeah. Yeah, it's

1540
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,799
Speaker 1: so bizarre. I have been here for so many Halloween's

1541
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 1: because I look just like Vaning Myrtles. Oh my god,

1542
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: I do love Like that's the best like stretch of

1543
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:33,640
Speaker 1: like Riverdale logic of like, no, she's fifteen, and it's like, no,

1544
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: she's forty two, but but I believe I fully believed

1545
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 1: she was fifteen. Yeah, same. Ah. Does anyone have anything

1546
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: else they would like to talk about regarding Bridget Jones

1547
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,879
Speaker 1: and her diary? I think I'm going to watch the others.

1548
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 1: The type prison thing is really something I need to

1549
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 1: check out. It's handled just about as well or should

1550
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 1: I say poorly as you would expect. Yes, yes, Um,

1551
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 1: the music budget in this movie it's unbelievable. Okay, you're

1552
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,640
Speaker 1: a producer, so you know a lot more about that.

1553
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 1: I was curious because it was like they used so

1554
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 1: many huge, huge what's the one she's singing along too

1555
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: at the beginning to Yes? And it's also a whole

1556
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: other level of budget for someone to like sing along

1557
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 1: to it, Like there's playing and then there's like interacting,

1558
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 1: and then there's like you know it didn't They always

1559
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 1: ask us like, if people are going to do a dance,

1560
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 1: then you have to like, do you know it's all

1561
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: a the whole thing. I mean, I'm probably being dumb

1562
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 1: and music supervisor will listen to this and be like,

1563
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 1: shut the funk up, But I think it's a whole thing,

1564
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I just could not stop thinking about that.

1565
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 1: The movie made absolute bank though, so sure, I mean,

1566
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 1: who hundred million dollars it was million dollar budget or something,

1567
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: which is I mean, I'm glad that it, like you know, launched.

1568
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean Renezellweger, I think, up to this point was

1569
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: most famous for having been in Jerry Maguire and then

1570
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 1: this is kind of what like led her to like

1571
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: carrying movies on her own. And I love Renee Lwager.

1572
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 1: I think she's a great performer, Like I have no

1573
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 1: no notes for Rene's Lwager, except that Judy was not great.

1574
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm glad that she has an Oscar. But

1575
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:30,879
Speaker 1: that was a messy movie. But imagine someone getting nominated

1576
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 1: for Best Actress for a rom com unheard of. I'm

1577
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: kind of it's so. I'm like, I guess we just

1578
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 1: had to be there, like because it's so because she

1579
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 1: gives a great performance, but so do a lot of

1580
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 1: rom com performers, and it's not even a thing. I'm like,

1581
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: I'm curious if it has to do with that whole

1582
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 1: Like she changed her body to play the part, which

1583
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 1: I feel like is classically Oscar Batty in a kind

1584
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 1: of toxic way. But I just I don't Maybe it

1585
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: was just it was so successful. I don't know, but

1586
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, good for her. They're like, we've

1587
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: never seen an American do this authentic of a British accent.

1588
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 1: Give her an Oscar. I guess. Also just like another

1589
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 1: shout out to Rene's lgar because I feel like she's

1590
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:21,719
Speaker 1: uniquely criticized for how she looks and has been uniquely

1591
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 1: criticized for how she looks at every point in her

1592
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: career in a way that I feel like pretty cleanly

1593
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 1: demonstrates for like, there's nothing you can do to not

1594
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: get criticized, because when she put on weight for a part,

1595
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: people made fun of her. When she lost weight the

1596
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 1: year after this to do Chicago, everyone said she's too skinny.

1597
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 1: She looks bad when she's gotten any sort of anything

1598
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,719
Speaker 1: that has altered. I mean she was like being mocked

1599
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago for getting plastic surgery, which

1600
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: everyone does. And like for someone who see who's like

1601
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: extremely talented, has like a shelf full of trophies and

1602
01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 1: seems like a really kind person, like she's just been

1603
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 1: absolutely like torn to shreds no matter how she looks

1604
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 1: at any phase in her career or life. So she

1605
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,520
Speaker 1: had an amazing quote I read when someone was criticizing

1606
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 1: her for like supposedly having work done over the past

1607
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 1: few years. She said, like, of course I look different.

1608
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:22,720
Speaker 1: I've aged also because I'm happy now. I was like,

1609
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 1: I remember that girl, which I thought was great. Yeah, No,

1610
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean she's gotten it almost as bad as anybody.

1611
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 1: Just any move she's made unbelievable totally, and she's so

1612
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 1: talented and like yeah so I and especially I mean

1613
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 1: if you compare like even if you look at the

1614
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 1: three main players in this movie of like they have,

1615
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 1: they are all twenty years older now. But who is

1616
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 1: the only person that has taken a load of ship

1617
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:56,200
Speaker 1: for that? It's Renee's Alberger. Um, she's great, So shout

1618
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 1: out to Renee. I don't know who won the Academy Award,

1619
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 1: said of her, but oh yeah, I don't. It would

1620
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 1: be wild if someone won won a Performance Academy Award

1621
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 1: for for a rom com. I can't imagine. Wow. Anyway,

1622
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: I want to know who won that oscar? I know,

1623
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, who snatched that from Renee's hands? What was

1624
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 1: it would have been? It would have been too so

1625
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 1: it would have been two to ceremony. Right, that's how

1626
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 1: that works. Um, who t like it? Oh? Nicole Kidman

1627
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:31,599
Speaker 1: in the Hours, So another traditionally hot woman who slightly

1628
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: altered her appearance and gave a good performance classic and

1629
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: then they would both star in Cold Mountain together not

1630
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 1: long after that. Right, Wait, I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm wrong.

1631
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: This year of nomination. No, this is Halle Berry's year.

1632
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 1: So it's fine, Okay, Okay, it was Nicole because Renee

1633
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: she's on a fucking hot streak. In the early two thousand's,

1634
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 1: she was nominated for Best Actress two years in a row.

1635
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 1: Because she's nominated for Chicago the next year. Wow. Yeah,

1636
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, she's living her life

1637
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 1: and then comes back and we're like, I guess we're

1638
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:10,719
Speaker 1: going to give it to her for Judy's favorite film.

1639
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,719
Speaker 1: It always bothers me. I love I love Renee Seliger,

1640
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:16,640
Speaker 1: and I love Judy Garland and that movie sucks. So

1641
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 1: I guess I just don't know what to say. I

1642
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 1: did not watch it. I didn't think I could handle.

1643
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 1: I was so I was really rooting for Judy, but

1644
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:32,719
Speaker 1: it's simply is a stinker. Yeah. Anyways, Bridget Jones Larga Jones,

1645
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 1: Uh does this movie pass the Bechtel test? Yeah? Doesn't.

1646
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 1: I actually wasn't sure. I forgot to pay super close

1647
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 1: attention because I know that women interact a lot in

1648
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 1: this movie. Between Bridget and her two friends who are women,

1649
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:50,599
Speaker 1: she and her mother. She has a female colleague at

1650
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 1: work named Perpetua. Perpetua Yeah, oh god, I'm so glad.

1651
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,560
Speaker 1: We comment about it, which is like, I was like,

1652
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 1: what an iconic name per Petua, Like it sounds like

1653
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 1: a Greek myth right, and I was like, maybe it's

1654
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 1: a pride and prejudice thing, but I don't think it is.

1655
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, like there are people in England literally

1656
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 1: named perpetual. I mean, it's like a Midsummer Night's dream type.

1657
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 1: I dropped off paying attention to whether it's super passed consistently.

1658
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 1: I do know that it at least passed in that

1659
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:26,639
Speaker 1: longer scene with Bridget and her mom where Bridgets talking

1660
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 1: about or where Bridget's mom is talking about it's. Unfortunately

1661
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 1: the thing I had past it was Bridget's mom being like,

1662
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't really want children like that exchange. Oh,

1663
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 1: if I had to do it again, I wouldn't have you. Bridget.

1664
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: She's like, you know, I'm your child, right, and like

1665
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 1: that passes, So there you go. Yeah, okay, yeah. I

1666
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: was just noticing that most of the conversations between women,

1667
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 1: while many of them are named, the context of so

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01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 1: many of the conversations were about Mark or Daniel or

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01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,680
Speaker 1: Bridget's dad or the guy that her mom has an

1670
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:11,599
Speaker 1: affair with, or or they're talking about boyfriends or like yeah,

1671
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,840
Speaker 1: it's it doesn't pass as much as it should given

1672
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:19,599
Speaker 1: how many female characters there are named female characters. Yeah,

1673
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 1: but if we're if we're keeping close score, it does

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01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 1: pass at least a couple of times that I was

1675
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,560
Speaker 1: able to find, but only, but weirdly, only in like

1676
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:33,320
Speaker 1: two line exchanges in longer conversations. But I thought it

1677
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:35,600
Speaker 1: was that was one of my favorite bad passes was

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01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 1: a mother telling her daughter that she wishes that she

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01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 1: was never born. It does pass, that's rough, I know. Yeah,

1680
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 1: Well that brings us to our nipple scale, so zero

1681
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 1: to five nipples based on an examination of how the

1682
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 1: movie fares from an intersectional feminist lens, and I think

1683
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 1: I can only give this movie like two because while

1684
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 1: I do appreciate the character of Bridget Jones and the

1685
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 1: like exploration of her insecurities and her being a more

1686
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 1: relatable rom com protagonists who is a woman more so

1687
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 1: than many other rom coms, especially of this era, there's

1688
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:33,599
Speaker 1: just so much of this era bleeding into the story

1689
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:38,680
Speaker 1: and contributing all these problematic things to it, namely the

1690
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 1: like having to settle for one or the other of

1691
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 1: two very shitty toxic men um, the just offensive and

1692
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 1: problematic jokes, casual racism, casual homophobia, things like that that

1693
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:03,040
Speaker 1: make the movie not age very well. But yeah, I

1694
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 1: wish I wish you could just take a character who

1695
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 1: is similarly relatable and uh dealing with you know what

1696
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 1: life throws at you as a woman who is like

1697
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:21,479
Speaker 1: navigating her career and trying to navigate romantic relationships and

1698
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 1: trying to navigate just everything in your personal or professional life,

1699
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 1: and have her be relatable and interesting and well developed

1700
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 1: and just like put in a scenario that isn't so problematic.

1701
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: So that's what I want for Bridget Jones. Um. But yeah,

1702
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 1: so I'll give the movie to nipples, and I will

1703
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:50,760
Speaker 1: give one to Paddington Bear, and I'll give the other one,

1704
01:45:53,520 --> 01:46:00,280
Speaker 1: uh Phoenix Buchanan, Hugh Grant's character in Paddington Too. Maybe

1705
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 1: want to call in Firth for losing out on that part. Yeah,

1706
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'll give him a half nipple and then

1707
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 1: I'll give another half nipple to um. Mr Gruber a K.

1708
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 1: Jim Broadbent. I love Jim Brodbin. I feel like I

1709
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:21,599
Speaker 1: first saw Jim Broadbent in the really crummy Narnia movies

1710
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 1: when I was he was in those. I didn't remember

1711
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 1: him being in those. He plays I think their grandfather.

1712
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I used to have a huge crush

1713
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:33,599
Speaker 1: on one of the like siblings in the Narnia family.

1714
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 1: His name was Scandar. Anyway, he's a lawyer, now I learned,

1715
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, do you mean a barrister? Probably he's British?

1716
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:50,520
Speaker 1: What even as a barrister it must be something like related.

1717
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 1: It seems like government really is it the same way

1718
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:56,799
Speaker 1: that like a lawyer and an attorney, that's like basically

1719
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:58,720
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's just like two different words for it.

1720
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:02,880
Speaker 1: Maybe in England it's you're a lawyer or but also

1721
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,880
Speaker 1: a barrister, same things. I don't know. So for our

1722
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 1: for our British listeners, we need a lot of please

1723
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:15,640
Speaker 1: answer all of our questions. Do you have more than

1724
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:25,840
Speaker 1: fifteen actors? And um, I'm gonna go to nipples here

1725
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 1: as well. I feel like Bridget Jones, the character I

1726
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:33,479
Speaker 1: am rooting for, I feel like there were so many

1727
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:38,559
Speaker 1: good opportunities in this movie to take on like Bridgets

1728
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 1: insecurities and create a thoughtful plot that says something, And

1729
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 1: unfortunately most of those opportunities were just like dropped where

1730
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 1: I feel like it's very very rare in a rom

1731
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 1: com for like the pressure that's put on women's bodies

1732
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 1: to look a very certain way is even brought up

1733
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 1: at all in meaningful way, and this one does, but

1734
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 1: then nothing happens, And like it's very rare in a

1735
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:09,679
Speaker 1: rom com for agism to come up in any way,

1736
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 1: and this one does, but then nothing happens, And so

1737
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:18,040
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know. I hope that I don't think.

1738
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we already know that rebooting Bridget Jones is

1739
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 1: not the solution to this problem, but I would like

1740
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:26,040
Speaker 1: to see in rom coms more often. And I feel

1741
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:28,280
Speaker 1: like this happens on TV more often than it does

1742
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 1: in movies generally, which is true of a lot of

1743
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 1: more progressive things that you know, like women who are

1744
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 1: responding to the pressures that society is putting onto them

1745
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:43,280
Speaker 1: and like struggling with it because it is an impossible

1746
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 1: bar to clear and you're never going to be the

1747
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:49,840
Speaker 1: person that everyone wants you to be. And I like

1748
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 1: seeing a character struggle with that, and I like seeing

1749
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:55,120
Speaker 1: her be like what the funk and sometimes being like

1750
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 1: fuck you, I'm gonna get drunk and listen to Shaka Khan,

1751
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 1: because like it's just all like I don't know, I

1752
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 1: understand why like female audiences of this time loved Bridget

1753
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:12,720
Speaker 1: Jones for being so like just putting it all out there.

1754
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 1: But privately, I don't know. I'm pro diary anti plot

1755
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:20,280
Speaker 1: of this movie, and that is simply where and I went.

1756
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 1: I went. I also, I just like I wanted more

1757
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:27,320
Speaker 1: for Bridget's friends to like they're clearly all like miserable

1758
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,719
Speaker 1: and very insecure as well. Just everyone in this movie

1759
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 1: is so deeply insecure, and I feel like no one

1760
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,400
Speaker 1: gets less insecure by the end of the movie, So

1761
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 1: maybe it's just real life. Um, I'm gonna give it

1762
01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 1: two nipples. I'm gonna give one to renee Zel Wigger

1763
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 1: because I really love her, and then I will give

1764
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:58,720
Speaker 1: my other nipple to Chasser. Questions shassa, she says, fuck yeah,

1765
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 1: I think two is right. I mean, if you watch,

1766
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 1: I think I almost want to give it three. In

1767
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 1: the context of Jamie reading that quote from Helen fielding

1768
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 1: now because you're like, oh, she was just sort of

1769
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 1: reflecting the time she lived in, you know. Um, but yeah,

1770
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 1: it's almost worse that they like bring up these issues

1771
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 1: and then let them fall, you know. Um, Yeah, I

1772
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 1: think two is right. Unfortunately, but then I love bridgets,

1773
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 1: so you know, I do. I want to read the

1774
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:31,320
Speaker 1: book honestly because she was so beloved and I see

1775
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 1: why they did this. You know, do I give my

1776
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 1: nipples out if you want to give them to you too? There?

1777
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:44,679
Speaker 1: For my goodness, no one's ever given us there maybe

1778
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:48,280
Speaker 1: once or twice, but in our almost three hundred episodes,

1779
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:51,439
Speaker 1: you think, God, God, I can't believe people us like

1780
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 1: nipples more. Thank you so much for I feel so honored.

1781
01:50:57,560 --> 01:50:59,920
Speaker 1: I have. I have one last Rene's Albiger quote I

1782
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: like to share because Renee's Alwager has also been very

1783
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 1: open about c as as an adult woman who has

1784
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 1: been single for many stretches of her life and has

1785
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 1: come to be like I was happy, so fuck you. Yeah.

1786
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:16,559
Speaker 1: This was what Renee Zellweger said a couple of years

1787
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 1: ago about Bridget Jones. She says, if we were all

1788
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:23,080
Speaker 1: privy to one another's inner dialogue, we would recognize that

1789
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 1: we are so very much alike. We all feel the

1790
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:28,120
Speaker 1: same pressures to measure up, and we all share the

1791
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 1: same fears that we won't. I was like, you know what,

1792
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 1: You're right, Renee Zellweger. She is and for her time,

1793
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:38,040
Speaker 1: I feel like Bridget Jones was doing the best she

1794
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:42,600
Speaker 1: could with the Crumby plot. She was given our fledgling

1795
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: feminist Bridget Jones. She's working on it now she has

1796
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 1: I guess now she's stuck with Colin Firth's baby, so

1797
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:56,600
Speaker 1: I hope maybe they get divorced and I don't know

1798
01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:00,640
Speaker 1: too three years time we get like Bridget Jones is

1799
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 1: feminist Awakening. The movie well, if it's, if it does

1800
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 1: the MoMA mi A schedule, there will be Renee will

1801
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 1: play like Margot, Robbie's mom or whatever, and will be

1802
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:14,639
Speaker 1: their kids. It would be kind of fun if Renee

1803
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:18,000
Speaker 1: or if Bridget, Sorry, they're one and the same. If

1804
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 1: Bridget had like an extremely like militant feminist daughter and

1805
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:26,200
Speaker 1: then was like learning retroactively from her daughter and they

1806
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 1: were bumped here it is. I'm like, Helen, I've got

1807
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:38,000
Speaker 1: an idea. Well, speaking of writings and such, Amy, first

1808
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 1: of all, thank you so much for being here and

1809
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 1: things nipples um uh. Tell us about your book that's

1810
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:49,680
Speaker 1: coming out soon. How can people get it? How can

1811
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 1: people follow totally? It's called Notes from the Bathroom Line.

1812
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:56,880
Speaker 1: It's a big collection of humor writing by a hundred

1813
01:52:56,920 --> 01:53:00,720
Speaker 1: and fifty Women in Comedy. Jamie's in it, um and

1814
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 1: Caitlin's not. But it' because I didn't know Caitlin and

1815
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:07,120
Speaker 1: now I feel horrible. Um. And So you can order

1816
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:09,560
Speaker 1: it from wherever you can go to notes from the

1817
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 1: bathroom line dot com. It makes it very easy to

1818
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:16,760
Speaker 1: preorder it, especially from female owned in the bookstores. UM.

1819
01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:21,480
Speaker 1: And it comes out March sixte Baby amazing, highly recommended.

1820
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 1: We're we're gonna post a little more about the book

1821
01:53:24,200 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 1: on our social media as well, because there's so much

1822
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:30,559
Speaker 1: overlap between women in the book and Bechtel cast guests

1823
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:35,959
Speaker 1: so well. I love the Otsco um Austin Powers episode

1824
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 1: so good, she's amazing champion. The fact that she's only

1825
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:45,200
Speaker 1: been on to cover Mike Myers vehicles left so so straight,

1826
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:47,680
Speaker 1: Like it's just something. And at this point of like

1827
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 1: do we stop like or do we double down? I'm like, Okay, Otsco,

1828
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 1: you're coming on for the cat and the hat. Sorry,

1829
01:53:56,840 --> 01:54:01,280
Speaker 1: it is what it is our number one requested movie

1830
01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:06,240
Speaker 1: that we cover. Literally no one has ever requested. I

1831
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:09,000
Speaker 1: was like, that is so straight. I couldn't. I was like,

1832
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:11,519
Speaker 1: we did Wayne's World by the other Mike Myers movies

1833
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 1: I just ran out, so gosh, there's a bunch of

1834
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 1: offensive ones where he's doing a weird character and or accent. Oh,

1835
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:21,240
Speaker 1: let's skip those. Let's do a cat in the hat.

1836
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:28,120
Speaker 1: I'll email her please. Um. You can follow us on

1837
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:33,200
Speaker 1: social media. You can subscribe to our patreon ak Matreon

1838
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 1: at patreon dot com slash Spectel Cast, and it is

1839
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: five dollars a month that gets you access to two

1840
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:43,640
Speaker 1: bonus episodes every month, plus the entire back catalog and

1841
01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 1: m And then check out our merch a dot com

1842
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 1: slash the Bechtel Cast. Get a mask, and then where

1843
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 1: two of them? And then we're two of them? And

1844
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,400
Speaker 1: you know we we don't say this enough, but why

1845
01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:00,240
Speaker 1: don't you go on you know iTunes or whatever? Give

1846
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 1: us give us, speaking of needing nipples, give us some

1847
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:13,879
Speaker 1: more ratings, give us some stars, preferably five out of five. Um. Anyway, Um, cheerio,

1848
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Bye,