1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you so 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: much as always for tuning in. Let's get a skirt 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: sound effect or record scratch or something. Yeah. Yeah, that's 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: our one and only super producer, Mr Max Williams. They 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: called me Ben my ride or dime. Mr Noel Brown 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: is currently out, but we'll return it later this week. Max. 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: It's the day after July four, So happy fourth of 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 1: July to all who celebrate. How is your weekend? Man? 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: It was? It was amazing. I just kind of took 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: it really easy. Watched a lot of baseball and did 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: not play Eldin Ring. I played a better video game 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: called skym Now you know. I I love them both, 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: you know. And it was funny because I almost I 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: almost texted you over the weekend because July four, you know, 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of people celebrated that here in the U S. 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: That's this country's in dependence stay and we took a 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: day off. So we have a classic episode coming today. 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: But I thought thematically, this line's up pretty pretty well 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: in a surprising way. We're talking about patriotism of a sort, 20 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: uh for for not the current United States, but what's 21 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: known as the Confederacy from a little thing called the 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: American Civil War. The other people, the people who didn't 23 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: win that thing, right, right, But we're not talking about 24 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: a celebration that occurs in the US. As a matter 25 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: of fact, today's classic takes us down south, past the Confederacy, 26 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: or past the historical home and the Confederacy all the 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: way to Brazil. Now, Um, Max, I think this episode 28 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: came before you had joined the team, so you might 29 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: be listening along with us on this one. Huh. Yeah, 30 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: this is a about two years before I joined the team, 31 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: maybe three years so yeah, this is all new to 32 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: me and I'm excited to hear about it. Oh wow, 33 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: how long have we been doing this show? Well, we 34 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy this when folks, this was a fascinating 35 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: story for Nolan myself and it's it's a wild ride. 36 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: Heads up, we can't wait to hear your thoughts. Yeah, 37 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: and make sure to tune in Thursday because we have 38 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: an exciting episode about government cover ups, chemicals and St. Louis. 39 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: Lots of fun stuff there. And one last personal note. Today, 40 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: the day this comes out is ji which is officially 41 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: my dad's birthday. So happy New Year dad. Um also, wait, 42 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said officially that that sounds sketchy. It's 43 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: it's his real birthday, Max, it's his real birth al. Right, 44 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: here we go. Ridiculous History is a production of I 45 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hello, welcome to the show. I'm Ben. Oh, Hey, 46 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's me. It's no, it's no. I'm here. 47 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm paying attention, and we're gonna talk about 48 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: some ridiculous history. Yes, and I believe that was a 49 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: beautiful snatch of song there, only it would be more like, Uh, 50 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: I wish I was in Brazil. Hooray, hooray in brazil Land, 51 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: gonna make my stand to live and die in Brazil. Yes, 52 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: that's true. And you may be wondering, Ben Noal super 53 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: producer Casey pegramon, what do these things have in common? 54 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: What does that? Uh? What does that series of hypnotic 55 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: sensual music? Thank you? Yeah, look at look at me. 56 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm just a cloud of cotton candy and you're just 57 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: the milk of human kindness. We are delving into something 58 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: that uh that that we were hipped to via our 59 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: friends Mangesh and will Over at Part Time Genius, one 60 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: of our Pure podcast They had an episode recently called 61 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: what's the most American place in the world parentheses outside 62 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: of the United States. Yeah, and one of the things 63 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: that came up time and time again were the various 64 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: Disneyland theme park attractions all across the globe. In fact, 65 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: in a sten study by Branding Magazine, around five thousand 66 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: people Americans were asked of which two d forty brands 67 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: best personified the patriotists of the United States and associated 68 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: the Disney brand with US patriotism. But that is not 69 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: what our show is about today, because for truly bizarro 70 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: unusual taste of Americana outside of the US soil, We're 71 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: going to head for Do Do Do Do Do Do 72 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: Do Do Do do do umbras Yes, my friends, specifically 73 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: to the Brazilian state of South Polo. Uh. You see, 74 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: in South Polo there is a town, a not insignificant 75 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: town in terms of population, a city of about two 76 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousand people called Americana. See we we 77 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: set it up earlier. This is true, and this city 78 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: um welcomed somewhere between. According to various accounts, ten thousand 79 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: and twenty thousand American Southerners after the Confederates lost the 80 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: Civil War in the at eighteen hundreds. Yeah, when the 81 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: American Confederacy lost the bloody dispute known as the Civil 82 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: War here in the US in May of eighteen sixty five. 83 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 1: War between the States, the War between the States, Brother 84 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: against brother Blue v. Gray, all that stuff. A contingent 85 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: of these Southerners fled the United States entirely seeking to 86 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: rebuild their lives and carry on the cultures to which 87 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: they were accustomed. And we do want to warn, of course, 88 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: that this is not all rainbow glitter trumpets and angel farts, 89 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: as we will see angel farts. Yeah, you know, I'm 90 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: just including things that people probably like. You know, I 91 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: went to a store with my kid over the weekend 92 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: and she but she's really in the slime, and she 93 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: bought the slime called unicorn farts. We're done talking about 94 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: farts now. Now we're going to talk about the settlers 95 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: and where they came from, which was mainly Alabama, Georgia, 96 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: and Texas. And they, as Ben said, to preserve their 97 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: unreconstructed Southern way of life and also escape possible prosecution 98 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: for treason, no big deal war crimes. Yeah. Uh, In 99 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: this movement. This group movement occurs due primarily to a 100 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: fellow named William Hutchison Norris. He is the founder of 101 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: this town American of Brazil, uh and he was a 102 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: Mexican American War veteran and also an Alabama senator. He 103 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: is the one who led the charge along with thirty 104 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: Confederate families. Believe he was a colonel, right, yeah, I 105 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: believe so, and he was. He was also just a 106 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: side note here for anyone interested in some fringe history. Uh. 107 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: He was a grand Master of the Alabama Masonic Lodge, 108 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: which is not important to this story, but one of those. 109 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: Oh not to be confused with a grand wizard. No no, 110 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: no Alabama. Good luck planning, right and not that we 111 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: are inflating, No no, no never, We would never and 112 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: I mean that we would never. We actually we co 113 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: host a conspiracy realist podcast called Stuff They Don't Want 114 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: You to Know where if you want to hear more 115 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: about Illuminati and the like and Masonic rights, check out 116 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: that show. But yeah, so, Colonel Norris actually established this 117 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: colony in a town currently known as Santa Barbara d 118 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: este uh and it was actually sometimes referred to as 119 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: the Norris colony. And the reason that these uh Confederatos 120 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: as they were ultimately referred to as, decided to make 121 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: that trip was because Brazil offered cheap land and slavery 122 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: was still legal. That's yeah, That's one of the key 123 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: things here. So a lot of the people moving were 124 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: agricultural experts, right. Brazil offered cheap land and of incentives essentially, yeah, 125 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: and an Agrica cultural system with which these families were 126 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: unfortunately very familiar, which was of course the use of 127 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: slave labor. And at the time Brazil had an emperor, 128 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: a fellow named dom Pedro two, and he didn't just 129 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, turnal blind eye as these families moved in. 130 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: He wanted them there so much so that he offered 131 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: to pay moving costs, which you know, I like the 132 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: way Nol says it. Uh. The idea is essentially like 133 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: tax incentives. I think the cheap land came as an incentive. 134 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: It was to entice these new settlers. And also Don 135 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: Pedro the second was a an ally I guess you 136 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: could say, of the Confederate cause. So he saw this 137 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: as an opportunity to get new types of agricultural expertise 138 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: I guess in his country one of those crops was cotton, 139 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: which as we know, is very important staple crop in 140 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: the American South, and Brazilian farmers started to take up 141 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: these new farming methods that they were taught more or 142 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: less by the American settlers, the Confederatos, right, And this 143 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: all begins to happen very quickly after the close of 144 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: the Civil War. By eighteen sixty six, the region was 145 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: becoming noticeably populated with these immigrants from the United States. 146 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: And we should add that not all of them found success. 147 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: There were thousands of people who accepted this deal, but 148 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: only one group of settlers from Alabama, Norris is you know, Cadre, 149 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, thrived And these uh, 150 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: these folks had surnames that you can find in the 151 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: town today like baired We got Buford, Clark, and Curry, 152 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: among others. There's actually a memorial there to this day 153 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: that highlights of these names like Sanders, Seawright, Skurlock, Smith, Stiegel, Strong, Tanner. 154 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: And again this all falls under them the serenity of 155 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: the Suzeranity of Norris. So one thing that's fascinating is 156 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: that the descendants of these settlers spoke English with a 157 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: southern accent for generations and over time, as people do, 158 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: they intermarried with Brazilians who have been living there since 159 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: way before, and their numbers sword they thrived, they became 160 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: you would argue, would one would argue, well, actually everybody agrees. 161 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: They became essentially Brazilian, right and not just some American exclave. 162 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: But like many people in the world, even in the 163 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: modern day, the population of Americana, those two thirty something 164 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: thousand people love Western music, love Western movies, and of 165 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: the music they love, they're especially fond of wait for it, 166 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: country music. Are you a fan of country music, man 167 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: country and or western? You know? I am a fan 168 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: of very old country, you know, my my family, without 169 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: getting too deep into the murky past of the Bowling clan, 170 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: they they have extensive roots in Appalachia, So bluegrass, gospel, 171 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: countryment not so I'm not so much a modern country fan. 172 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what about you. I find most modern 173 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: country music to be pretty un listening a little bit. 174 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm with you on the classics. Um so let me, 175 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: let's let's backtrack just to touch sure, let's uh, let's 176 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: can we get a can we get a backtrack? Thegle noise. Okay, 177 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: here we are only because I think this is interesting 178 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: and worth mentioning, because I feel like we glossed over 179 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: to the tad Don paged Or the Second, the ruler 180 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: of Brazil during this time. He ruled from eighteen o 181 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: nine to eighteen sixty five. UM. He was a huge 182 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: admirer of Abraham him Lincoln. Actually, so we mentioned the 183 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: whole fact that, you know, slavery was still legal in Brazil, 184 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: and that may have made it attractive to some of 185 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: these settlers. They wanted to continue their way of life 186 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: they were used to. But Dumpagro the Second actually felt 187 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: like the idea of slavery had the potential to cause 188 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: a civil war in and in his own country. Seems painfully, painfully, 189 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: painfully obvious. So he was all about getting rid of slavery, 190 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: and when he kind of helped pushed through some measures 191 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: that did that, he was basically deposed. But the work 192 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: that he did to abolish slavery, you know, persevered, and 193 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: he actually started with the uh, hopefully not Bucher These 194 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: too bad, but the Quiros Law of eighteen fifty, which 195 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: outlawed the slave trade. And then his second one was 196 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: to proclaim in eighteen seventy one the Lido ventre Livro, 197 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: which is the Law of the Free Womb, which declared 198 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: that children born of slaves would also be free, you know. 199 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: And then finally there was the Lie Area, the Golden Law, 200 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: which abolished slavery completely in and that actually caused some 201 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: of the folks that immigrated to Brazil to leave. Also 202 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,239 Speaker 1: during this time when kind of the whole reconstruction situation 203 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: changed and it became much more of the Jim Crow 204 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: you know, post abolition world that we know. Uh, and 205 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: this bis yes, So there there are several really important 206 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: things to underlying here. The Golden Law, if we just 207 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: use the English term for it, is the ultimate no 208 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: caveats manumission law, freeing one from slavery. The other laws 209 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: were sort of gradually weakening the type of slavery that 210 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: existed by degrees and all slavery is deplorable, repugnant, and 211 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: in my view, in human, But there are several different 212 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: type and the type of slavery that was practiced in 213 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: the United States leading to the Civil War, and then 214 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: type of slavery that was practiced in Brazil at the 215 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: time intended to be something like chattel slavery. Definitely chattel 216 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: slavery in the US and in Brazil a very similar system. 217 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: This means that it's not say, indentured servitude, It wouldn't 218 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: be um, it wouldn't be, for instance, someone being a 219 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: slave for seven years until a debt is considered repaid. 220 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: It's slavery based on bloodline, which means that automatically the 221 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: child of a slave becomes a slave for life, no escape, 222 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: and any kids that they have are going to be 223 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: the property of whomever is considered legally to be the 224 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: owner of that slave. The reason I brought up the 225 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: whole situation with slavery in Brazil was because actually some 226 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: of the newly freed slaves in the US immigrated to 227 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: Brazil as well, and sometimes they even came with their 228 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: previous owners. And I found this on an article on 229 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: Project Gutenberg self publishing press on the Confederados, and it 230 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: says in this article that there was a situation where 231 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: a former slave by the name of Steve Watson was 232 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: given the run of a sawmill in Brazil that belonged 233 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: to his former owner, a man by the name of 234 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: Judge Dyer of Texas. And when Mr Watson came back 235 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: to the US um Dyer actually deeded all of his 236 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: remaining property to Watson in the area of the Djukia 237 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: Valley um where there are many Brazilian families with the 238 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: last name Vaseo, which the Portuguese way of pronouncing Watson. 239 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: So this legacy perseveres to this day in a pretty 240 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: interesting way. Many families did end up traveling back to 241 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: the United States during the Construction era. The settlers who 242 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: stayed uh became quickly successful to get a reputation for 243 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: honesty and hard work. The new techniques they brought for 244 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: existing agricultural products worked well, but they also brought new 245 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: food crops and new ways of cooking food or preparing it. 246 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: And as we know, you can learn so much about 247 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: the human story through the transmission of food, whether we're 248 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: talking spices like peppercorn or saffron, whether we're talking staples 249 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: like rice, or how tomatoes made it to Italy, which 250 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: is its own other story. I guess, before I derail 251 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: this too much, let'll be let me stay focused on Brazil. 252 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: I think it's because I just I didn't eat before 253 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: we came in here. So now food history is automatically, uh, 254 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: automatically capturing my mind. Just think to just pound the 255 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: rest of that five hour energy. Dude, just do it, 256 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: do it? Do it? Uh. Some some of the dishes 257 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: that were standouts that were very popular in this area Brazil, 258 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: where things like chess pie or vinegar pie. Fried chicken 259 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: is vinegar pie. Vinegar pie doesn't have the most appealing name. 260 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: I would grant you that. Uh. It's it's like eggs 261 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: with a little bit of cinnamon, sugar and two tablespoons 262 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,959 Speaker 1: of cider vinegar. He makes something like you feed two 263 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: kids when they've misbehaved or No. It's the thing people 264 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: people eat it for fun and it has sort of 265 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: an apple pie like flavor because of the cid, but 266 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: there's a custardy vibe to it as well. You know, 267 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: I haven't tried it. I'd love to hear from someone 268 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: who has, maybe you know what, friends and neighbors. Thank 269 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to show. I'd like to 270 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: defer to you on this. If you have tried vinegar pie, 271 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: let us know if this is something that we should 272 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: delve into, if we should try it ourselves, or you know, 273 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: warn us if it's a traumatic experience. For you. The 274 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: Southern food, right, the Southern food is is pretty pretty 275 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: successful and it catches on. And as we said, these 276 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: Confederados as they were called, I guess, continue their culture 277 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: and as best they could, right, And similar to the 278 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: hippos that traveled to Columbia with Pablo Escobar, they thrived 279 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: in a way that might seem you know, counterintuitive at first, 280 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: to the point that this is not just an odd 281 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: historical footnote, it's a ridiculous historical footnote, right, yes, And 282 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: it's a current practice because if you travel down to 283 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: American and Brazil today, you will not just see one 284 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: monuments and maybe a couple of placards and old farms 285 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: roll plantations. No, depending on when you go, you I 286 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: find yourself in the midst of a very strange, very 287 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: strange party, something of a shin dig, something of a 288 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: suare you see, every year for the last quarter century, 289 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: the descendants of these Confederatos gather for a gigantic party 290 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: that celebrates their vision of Confederate culture, which, you know 291 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: what is sort of reminds me of did you ever 292 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: go to Six Flags over Georgia? Yeah? I have season passes, 293 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: you know that about me? Ben No I'm setting you 294 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: up the U. I don't know if it's still the same, 295 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: because it's talking about Lick Skillet Junction right right where 296 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: they've got Dixie music playing the whole time. I almost 297 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: picture it like that. So the population of the town 298 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: gets together, they dress up in gray like Johnny reb 299 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: uniforms and then hoop skirts, and they dance around to 300 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: fiddle and banjo tunes. And it's the copious amounts of 301 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: Confederate flag wavings, shall we say wavings. They even have 302 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: a dance floor emblazoned with the uh what do they 303 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: call it, old, old old glory Glory that's it. Yeah, 304 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: and they're not alone. Over the years, reporters have traveled 305 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: to check out the celebration, and uh so have Confederate 306 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: enthusiasts from the United States, Unan actors, descendants themselves from 307 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: Confederate soldiers and the like. In fact, the first of 308 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: all the party, the annual festival, is called the Festa Confederata, 309 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: and um, you know I said, it's marked by Confederate flags, 310 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: Confederate uniforms, the hoop skirts you mentioned, um, and this 311 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: fusion of you know, Southern culture with Brazilian culture, dancing um, 312 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: popular music that you know, like you're saying, banjo music 313 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: and all the stuff that you would have heard during 314 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: the Antebellum period. And they have this affection, this affinity, 315 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: if you will, for the Confederate flag. And then as 316 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, listeners, as you know, this is something of 317 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: a problematic emblem today more than ever, I would say, 318 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: in our country. Yes, here in the United States as 319 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: we record this in twenty seventeen, Uh, the nation is 320 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: engaging in a debate about symbols and their historical significance. 321 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: And one of the big flashpoints for this in our 322 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: country is always going to be, or has always been 323 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: up to now, uh, the Confederate flag. Since the end 324 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: of the Civil War to the modern day. People have 325 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: argued back and forth about what waiving this flag means, right, 326 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: And the same thing goes for statues monuments. You know. 327 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: We are based in Atlanta, where we are just a 328 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: few minutes drive away from a gigantic Confederate monument known 329 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: as Stone Mountain. Ya. It's literally a mountain with the 330 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: big old Confederate uh scene shall we say, um carved 331 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: into the rock. Um. Who are those dudes? Yeah, there 332 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 1: are three Confederate figures depicted in just gigantic scale on 333 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: on Stone Mountain. They're Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and 334 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: Stonewall Jackson. And it's interesting because with all the talk 335 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: these days in the news about UM you know, removing 336 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: Confederate monuments from UM cities, the courthouse defensive, they're offensive, 337 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be on public land, etcetera. Uh, it came out. 338 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: It's really interesting that Roberty Lee it was kind of 339 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: against Confederate monuments in the first place, and then they 340 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: didn't really pop up until years, you know, after the 341 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,239 Speaker 1: Civil War. It's a really great quote from Roberty Lee 342 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: where he says, quote, I think at wiser not to 343 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: keep open the source of war with to follow the 344 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: example of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the arcs 345 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: of civil strife and to commit to oblivion the feelings 346 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: it engendered. And so back to Brazil, there's actually a 347 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: really fantastic article in the New York Times about this town, 348 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: this Santa Barbara Desto. Yeah, yeah, by Simon Romero. Right's 349 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: right in the very first sentence um in the article. 350 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote because this is great. The set scene 351 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: Santa Barbara Deasto, Brazil, on a stage festooned with Confederate flags. 352 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: The singer was belting out dixieland Delight by Alabama near 353 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: an obelisk, honoring the Americans who fled to this outpost 354 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the Civil War. Here's the important quote. 355 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: We're not racists, says Cissero car fifty four, an engineer 356 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: whose great great grandfather hailed from Texas. Wearing a fedora 357 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: featuring the rebel battle flag. He explained in Portuguese, we're 358 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: just revering our ancestors who had the good sense to 359 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: settle in Brazil. This is actually a really really interesting touchpoint, 360 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: like considering what's going on in our country right now 361 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: and the arguments for and against removing these relics of 362 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: the past, and whether it actually means you're actively being 363 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: racist or you're actively um celebrating celebrating slavery in some way, 364 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: or you know, um. And I think this is a 365 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: very interesting case study where this is almost like a 366 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: weird back to the Disneyland thing. This is almost like 367 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: this kind of removed version of this, you know, where 368 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: it's not functional exactly. It's like a I don't know, 369 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: I think I see what you're saying, because, as as 370 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: we'll find out at the end, this is not the 371 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: only situation where something like this has occurred foreign country 372 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: or in a non US country, or let's even go 373 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: further and say a country not directly associated with the conflict. UH. 374 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: That is you know, being celebrated, and it's very important 375 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: for us to underlie these uh, these following things. The 376 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: average person celebrating this sees it as a celebration of 377 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: their own history, the history of Americana Brazil. They do 378 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: not see it as a, as we said, a celebration 379 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: of slavery or in any way, UH a celebration of 380 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: man's in humanity to man or people's in humanity two people. Rather. 381 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: In fact, the Confederados have downplayed their ancestors interest in 382 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: maintaining UH slavery system. But you know, this doesn't just 383 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: include the context of the US. We must also include 384 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: the context of Brazil, which was the last country in 385 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: either American continent to abolish slavery. It wasn't until eighteen 386 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: eighty eight. And then after that, slave like conditions and 387 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: situations continued. There were still going to be you know, 388 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: agricultural wage slavery by the best efforts of our boy 389 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: Dumpage are the second, despite his best efforts. And this 390 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: means that despite the UH the intervening decades, including nineteen 391 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: forty where there was a constitutional amendment prohibiting employers from 392 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: submitting workers to quote conditions analogous to slavery UM, Brazil 393 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: was still desperate to modernize and this incentivize farm owners 394 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: to start putting wage laborers in debt and then holding 395 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: them in bondage, preventing their freedom of movement off the plantation. 396 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: More that indentured servitude vibe exactly exactly, and Americana itself 397 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: got caught up in this controversy in two thousand thirteen. 398 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: In January, the Brazilian Ministry of Labor orchestrated a sting 399 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: in Americana and it found Bolivian immigrants manufacturing baby clothes 400 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: under the supervision of two Olivian bosses UH. They broke 401 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: up the factory, the Ministry of Labor, that is, and 402 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: they sued. They said the conditions they found were deplorable 403 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: or execrable enough to constitute slavery. But of every single 404 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: person or the average person again that you ask about 405 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: slavery in this town. Most people will say, well, I don't. 406 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: There's no slavery here, and this is not in any 407 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: way a celebration of that. So what seems to be 408 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: a flashpoint of conflict here in the United States is 409 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: simply a the same thing as like the annual town fair. 410 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: I think that's what I was kind of poorly stumbling 411 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: my way towards earlier, is that it feels like that 412 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: Six Flags or Disneyland kind of recreation of a of 413 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: a situation where the roots of negativity are somehow kind 414 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: of whitewashed away a little bit. It doesn't mean it 415 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: still kind of picks me out a little bit, to 416 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: be honest, you know what I mean. But um, it's 417 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: interesting in in fact, in the nineteen seventy two, Jimmy 418 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: Carter came to the region for a visit to Americana, 419 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: and in you know, in preparing for his visit, the 420 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: Americana actually added the Confederate flag into its municipal coat 421 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: of arms. Um. But actually most people that live there 422 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: these days are Italian descended, so they removed it because 423 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: the descendants of the Confederatos apparently now comprised only about 424 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: a tenth of the population of the area UM. But 425 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: when Carter was there, he visited the Santa Barbara de 426 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: Este and visited the grave of um a relative of 427 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: his wife Rosalind her relatives was one of the original Confederatos. 428 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: And while he was there he couldn't help but notice 429 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: that everyone just seemed just like good old Southerners, because 430 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: we know Jimmy Carter, being from Atlanta as we are, UM, 431 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: he is the poor a trip of a Southern gentleman. Yes, yes, 432 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: he knows it when he sees it. So if you're 433 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: listening to this, Jimmy, feel free to give us a call. Well, 434 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: answer the phone. It's actually really nice, guys, several where 435 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: coworkers of METAM. He does all this habitat for humanity stuff, 436 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: and he's got the Carter Center does all this amazing 437 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: work election monitoring, yet disease uh, disease mitigation. Yeah. So, Nolan, 438 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: I want to be clear that we're not denigrating the 439 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: people in Americana who celebrate this way. We're hopefully painting 440 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: some of the context here because the idea of and exclave, 441 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, the idea of people moving to a foreign 442 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: country and attempting to make it function as if it 443 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: is just the same thing as the country from which 444 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: they originated. It's it's a fairly I don't want to 445 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: say common, but it's not as rare as it might sound, 446 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: you know. And there have been multiple attempts in South America, 447 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: even in Brazil by Westerners to sort of recreate the 448 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: concept of the small town USA or the Confederacy or 449 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: whatever their cultural slice of the vinegar pie that is 450 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: American history might be. Still know I feel about that. 451 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: Can we call it something else? Uh? Do you want 452 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: to call it delicious? Yum yum pie, apple cider pie. 453 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. That's a little better with that. Hey, listeners, 454 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: what do you think it should be called? What should have? 455 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: Disgusting food stuff? How can you make it more palatable 456 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 1: just by changing the name? And is it disgusting? There? 457 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: Is it just the name? I'm being I'm being judging 458 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: because there's like barley water probably awesome. Have you ever 459 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: heard of barley water beer? No? No, in the UK, 460 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: I swear it's squash. And then of course spotted dick. 461 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Maybe King Ralph with John? Yeah, 462 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: that was great that there's a big joke in that 463 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: you're welcome girl talk. We just gave them an idea 464 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: for the next album. I do want to close with 465 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: just let's let's call it a teaser if we can, 466 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: for another strange relationship between American governments or the US 467 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: government and a South American area. It turns out that 468 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: in Paraguay President Rutherford B. Hayes is immensely popular. Do 469 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: you ever hear about this? Yeah? He uh, He's immensely 470 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: popular because he awarded territory to Paraguay as an arbiter 471 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: in a boundary dispute between Paraguay and Argentina after the 472 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: Paraguay and War. And we were not gonna We're not 473 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: gonna just segue into that as a whole another episode. 474 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: But if you're interested in these sorts of stories, this 475 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: is a great read. So find out why Rutherford B. Hayes, 476 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: who is not a name you here often in the 477 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: US anymore. Oh, Ruthy B. Yeah right right. Actually people 478 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: had at the time his opponents called him Ruther Fraud. 479 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: I know, it's dirty, dirty pool, but find you can 480 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: find out why he remains immensely popular in parts of 481 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: Paraguay today. And we hope that you will let us 482 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: know if you find your way down to the Festa 483 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: Confederata in Brazil. And uh side note, if you're a 484 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: George Straight fan, Oh buddy, this is supposed to be 485 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: right up your alley. I'm proud to be in nuts. 486 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: Who's that Leon green Steve Greenwood case? He just told me, 487 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm just making up names now Lee Greenwood and you 488 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 1: know what that means. Whenever we mentioned Lee Greenwood, that's 489 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: a new rule on the podcast that nold I just 490 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: made up. That beings that it's time to wrap up 491 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: this episode of a Ridiculous History. 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Are you 502 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: not entertained by the ridiculousity that's both the speed of 503 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: ridiculousness and the direction learned something new every day. Well, 504 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: we hope you guys learned something and then had a 505 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: good time, and uh hope you'll join us on the 506 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: next install, Ridiculous History. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, 507 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 508 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.