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Speaker 1: He's Talking Cowboys, screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World

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Speaker 1: headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bronis, Rob Phillips and Taylor Stern. Welcome everybody to

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Speaker 1: another edition of Talking Cowboys on Talking Tuesday, and we

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Speaker 1: are in the SWVC Mortgage studio as we get ready

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Speaker 1: to talk about all things Cowboys. Of course, it is

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Speaker 1: the first date that NFL teams can designate franchise or

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Speaker 1: transition players. But before that, I know we've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions about the NFL Draft being hosted at

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Speaker 1: AT and T Stadium starting in April twenty six through

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Speaker 1: the twenty eighth this spring, and for the first time ever,

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Speaker 1: obviously it being in a stadium, you have the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to actually be injured in a ticket lot, which launched today,

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Speaker 1: which is very exciting. And there's a couple of important dates.

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Speaker 1: I want you guys to all know. You guys ready

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Speaker 1: for the draft, go for you're already register? Oh I

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Speaker 1: didn't yet, but you're right, Mick, because they have to

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Speaker 1: register for the NFL dot Com Fan Mobile Pass. That's right,

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Speaker 1: did you register? I'm gonna take a chance that they're

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Speaker 1: going to give me a media pass to this thing.

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Speaker 1: We'll leave the ticket to somebody else. Yeah, take your credential, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe you could give away some tickets or something. I

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Speaker 1: didn't see any like they said, you know, people involved

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Speaker 1: with the Cowboys can't register. That's true. So today's the

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Speaker 1: first day, and Mickey's right. You have to register because

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Speaker 1: it's a lottery. And until Wednesday, March fourteenth, that eleven

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Speaker 1: fifty nine pm Eastern time, very specific fans may register.

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Speaker 1: And then after March fourteenth, register remains open for the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft Experience, which is something that you could do

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Speaker 1: around the stadium, but it's not actually in there. And

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Speaker 1: then late March you're gonna be randomly selected for seated tickets,

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Speaker 1: which will be received an email notification and instructions for

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Speaker 1: confirming attendance. So now if I wanted to register, where

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Speaker 1: do I do it? NFL dot com for backslash fan

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Speaker 1: mobile pass. Okay, so better get on it? Can I

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Speaker 1: Can I get it? Gets your ticket inside the theater?

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Speaker 1: Possibly possible? Yeah, before everybody, yeah, exactly, for everybody gets

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Speaker 1: mad at us and the Dallas Cowboys. We have nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with this, right The lottery and all that

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Speaker 1: stuff like that, just our building correct. Yeah, don't get yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't go get mad. Brian brought us or Mickey Spagnola

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Speaker 1: or Taylor Stern or Rob Phillips. This is we have

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with this. This is all about the

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Speaker 1: NFL or Jerry Jones exactly. Yeah. I will say there

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Speaker 1: isn't added. I think rivalry factor there for Cowboys fans

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Speaker 1: because they put in the release a record breaking two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand fans attended the NFL Draft in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: and of course we know what Drew Pearson was able

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand, no doubt. They mentioned, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're going to use the outdoor plausas and

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Speaker 1: they said it's going to be the span of twenty

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Speaker 1: six football field. It's going to be the largest free

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Speaker 1: I want to know who did the head count on

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand people just click in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: If you host the Draft, the next year, you win

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Speaker 1: for right there. I like that logic, right, not happening

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Speaker 1: It's a new day, a new day, their new possibilities,

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Speaker 1: new possibility, new day, all that stuff. This is great,

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Speaker 1: show go absolutely, Mickey, you guys are going to be

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Speaker 1: doing your show that you do all throughout the entire coverage.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? I don't know that yet. We will

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Speaker 1: have details to come, yes, but we'll have so much

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Speaker 1: And my understanding is not only will they have seating

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Speaker 1: Mickey with a robing with a mic, with a mic

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Speaker 1: and just kind of talking to people. Yeah, let's do it,

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Speaker 1: Mickey Seacrest, what they're wearing. Oh, the players, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's very exciting. Again the addresses what Mick, it's NFL

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Speaker 1: dot com uh backslash fan mobile pass. Good luck to everybody? Yes,

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Speaker 1: good luck. March is enough time to book your tickets here? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: It does because it gives it. It gives you an out.

427
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: He gets his money, but you get an out. You

428
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: get an out. Yeah. See, that's the thing I want

429
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: to be able to escape. And this is why I'm

430
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: making him play one more year, because I'm trying to

431
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: figure out I'm willing to pay to Marcus Lawrence if

432
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: he has another year like he did, and I know

433
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: good well that it might be the most expensive thing

434
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: that I ever do. But if he proves to me

435
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: he can do it one more time, then I'm all in.

436
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: You know what, you proved me wrong. Here's your gun.

437
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: I think you negotiate better that way. If somebody comes

438
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 1: in and all of a sudden it's like you know,

439
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: and you're challenging him. Okay, go get that extra. I'll

440
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: give you an extra two three four million dollars if

441
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: in fact you have the type of season you had

442
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: the previous year. The poll says, give him a long

443
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: term deal. The comments agree with you for the most part.

444
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: Jason checks in and says, I would use the basically

445
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: what you said. I'd tag him let him at play

446
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: it out. I want to see him do it again

447
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: instead of just one year before committing that much money.

448
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: If he has another good body. He had eight sacks,

449
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: he's had sacks before. I mean, he has done some things.

450
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: If if he has another good year, then pay him

451
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: as a twenty six year old pass rusher with big

452
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 1: money in twenty nineteen. I'd have no problem with that.

453
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: The only thing that's held him back has been his health. Yeah,

454
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: two back surgeries not this year though, and a broken

455
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: bone in his foot's rookie year, rookie year yeah, nine

456
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: games yeah yeah. So the problem is, how do you

457
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: replace that position if you don't commit to him. He's

458
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: a damn good football player. You know, he really is,

459
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: and he's recommitted himself his body, you know, hopefully the

460
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: health and all that. I mean, you watch him play.

461
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna I'm gonna take advantage of this tag.

462
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take advantage of this tag, and I'm gonna

463
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: pay him a pretty good chunk of money. Not pretty good,

464
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: a great chunk of money. I'm getting an eighteen million dollars.

465
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: Prove to me that you're an eighteen million dollar your player, Okay,

466
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: that's what I'm asking now the other the other part

467
00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: of this, though, is if you do that, then you've

468
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: basically shot your wad in free agency. Yep, that's true.

469
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: But we've always we've always come with the we've always

470
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: come with the analogy though, of signing our own. Yeah,

471
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: if it's if it's your own guy, right, you've you know,

472
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: you you're not a you're not a big player in

473
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: free agency to begin with. But even but if you

474
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: do that, and I can't imagine now they can create space,

475
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: I sure can, but that's gonna take up basically all

476
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: they had available. You can create space, but you're gonna

477
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: need five and a half million to sign your draft class. Yeah,

478
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: and then you need another almost two and a half

479
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: million if you're gonna put the second round uh tag

480
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: on David Irving. And then you're basically saying, you know, hitch,

481
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: go on to Indianapolis. We can't, I can't afford you. Yeah,

482
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: I've I've in my mind, we already said goodbye with

483
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 1: with Matt Eberflus, his position coach now being the defensive

484
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: coordinat or Indianapolis and Indianapolis was seventy million dollars in

485
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: cap space. It was the second most in the league

486
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: in my mind, make you have moved on from there.

487
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: That's that's just me. But I'm Tremaide Edmonds available in

488
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: the year. Yeah, we're gonna see, We're gonna see. I

489
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: just I feel like though that the way the five million,

490
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: the three million, whatever you have to do, you can create.

491
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: And maybe it is about going to get the money

492
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: from Dez. Yeah, maybe that. Maybe it is about goodbye

493
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: Orlando Scandrick. Maybe it is. Yeah. But see, the scandric

494
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: one concerns me because his base salaries only three million dollars, right,

495
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: and if you say buy, he cost you three point

496
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: eight eight million and dead money. Yeah, so one of

497
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: those that's a yeah, that's a no, you're right, don't

498
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, true. I mean, see, that's

499
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: the thing unless you just yeah, unless you just and that,

500
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: and that would be another three point eight eight million, right, Nikki.

501
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: Isn't that such a scandric problem to have? Yes, it is.

502
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: It is the most scandric thing ever. But you can't win,

503
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: you can't. Yeah, you know, you got to decide or

504
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: these young guys, ready, do you not need him as

505
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: a stabilizing presence back there? And the other thing about

506
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: creating money. You could do the thing that they've done

507
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: in the past. You could restructure guys, But do you

508
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: really want to kick the can down the road or

509
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: Seawan Lee or guys like that. I don't go if

510
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: you want to do that. I got a question for y'all.

511
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't here the offseason when they made the decision

512
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: to release DeMarcus Ware, and obviously following that was the

513
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: draft of DeMarcus Lawrence. Now, was there ever a discussion

514
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: about doing something with DeMarcus Ware as far as franchise

515
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: tagging him or how you're going to handle him? I don't.

516
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, they released him. Yeah, no, they released him,

517
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: but that you can't franchise him. I'm talking before they

518
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: released him. No, no, no, he can't a contract. Yeah yeah,

519
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: they released him. They ate salary cap money, that money

520
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: he never got franchise in his career. Always Spencer right,

521
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: because it was kind of it was the Spencer thing

522
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: was I don't know if he had injuries backed him,

523
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: but it was, Hey, how consistent can you be A

524
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: think we're better off? Like Brian saying, oh, well, one year,

525
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: we'll give you a lot of money, but let's prove it,

526
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, And that's get I get Brian's point. That's

527
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: the limit. He's been productive when he's been healthy, and

528
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: they love him. The where thing was is they thought

529
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: where and Tear had cut up with him and that

530
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: they had to get some salary cap money and they

531
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: didn't want to pay the base salary he had coming

532
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: because of the injuries. He was pretty beat up that

533
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: last season. He needed surgeries I think on his wrist,

534
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: his elbow and banged up. He was very fortunate and

535
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: while Denver signed him to a three year deal, they

536
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: were a very conservative three year deal. So yeah, it's

537
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: not comparable. Yeah, I was just thinking the guy that

538
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: makes the most sense to go get money from would

539
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: be Travis Frederick. Yep, you could restructure him because it

540
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: sounds like you could get seven point three million dollars

541
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: if you restructure his deal. So essentially, if you have

542
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: a big con tract right and you have a big contract,

543
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: you can almost expect nowadays to be having restructuring contract

544
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: talks pretty much every year. Oh yeah, Cowboys have done

545
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: it for years. You basically, what you do is you

546
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: converted into signing bonus and it just it lowers the

547
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: cap hit to where it's it's really not an issue

548
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: for you players now. So you've got space. Yeah, you've

549
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: handed a check, they've given me another signing bonus, they

550
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: take you out to dinner and they know they back

551
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: up back to that that brings truck to your back door.

552
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's the one. You know. Both he and

553
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith are both in the seven million dollar range.

554
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: Does Brian and our restructures in the five seven range?

555
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: About Whitton? Lee? Lee is in the three and over

556
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: the three million dollars. They've restructured him before, They've restructured

557
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: Tyring before, Crawford. It's at three point four. You want

558
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: to do, Yeah, Witten is only witness three point five.

559
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: So the one I mean, if you're worried about the

560
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: kicking the can on Tyron Smith, your logical one would

561
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: be Frederick because he seems to be the one. Yeah,

562
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: that seems to be for the longevity from a health standpoint,

563
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: longivity aspect. Yes. And then and then Zack Martin that's

564
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: almost like a restructure Yeah, yeah, you get you get yeah,

565
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: Zach Martin this year's nine three. Yeah, So his whole

566
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: thing is he's got no no restructure value at all

567
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: to his contract. So you just got to re redo it.

568
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a restructure. But it's they've got nicky.

569
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: They've got Scandrick down here as a one million dollar

570
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: if he wanted to get money from him, this is

571
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: over the cap. Again, I don't want to do that. Yeah,

572
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: that's the thing with Orlando. He's you know, he's had

573
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: his his contract read on like eight times, it feels like,

574
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: but it's always it's been very smart about it. It's

575
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: always a situation where he's got some security, he's got

576
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: some years on his deal, but it's never a huge

577
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: base that really threatens like he's going to be a casualty. No. No,

578
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: he has played mart because he got his money up front.

579
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: He did. He played this game very well and I

580
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: give him full credit. No, no, again, if he he's

581
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: very smart about the way. He never put himself in

582
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: a position like a Brandon car where you were looking

583
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: at his money and going, well that's ridiculous, you're getting

584
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: too much. Yeah. Yeah, So he's always kind of said

585
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: two three year deals, always kept the money at the

586
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: right at the right amount, and then that way you

587
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: never get question about well he's not playing to the

588
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: level of his contract, So give him credit for that.

589
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: Did a good job. Wow. It's just so amazing how

590
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: even when they do these different things, you can still

591
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: kind of find the loophole is figure it out just

592
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: to work for your team. And I mean, truthfully, someone

593
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: was asking me this, and you guys know the answer

594
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: to this. Why did they start the franchise and transition tag.

595
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: Why was that important to have that in place? Nobody

596
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: wanted Well, they didn't want free agency in the first place. Yeah, exactly,

597
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: and so this was a concession to say, Okay, we're

598
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 1: gonna give you free agency, but you're gonna let us

599
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: protect Yes, I'm going to protect one or two or

600
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: three players right that I want to keep, but a

601
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: fight protect them, I gotta pay them. I grew up.

602
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: I grew up in an era where watching the Cowboys,

603
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: same team every year, with the exception of the draft picks,

604
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: it was very safe to buy jersey. Oh very safe.

605
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: You could buy one guy's jersey would lasts for ten

606
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: twelve years. But yeah, Mickey's right. Though. It got to

607
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: the point when I first was with the Packers in

608
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: ninety four, when that all came in. You know, it

609
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: was like Okay, give us the right to protect one guy.

610
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: You know that, you know, but nobody wanted to lose,

611
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, just continually lose players. You had to give

612
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: some type of mechanism to allow the teams to at

613
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: least protect one guy. Yeah, that's right, you know. I

614
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: gotta give him credit where credit is due, because you

615
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: look at the New England Patriots and in a day

616
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: and age where we do have free agency and things

617
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: like this, and they have a dynasty, right if you would,

618
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: I it's unheard of this Tom Brady doesn't. Yeah, Albrady's

619
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: had a new team, a brand new team every three years.

620
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: You know. This is why I had the utmost respect

621
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: for Brady and Manning and guys like that. They played

622
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: in the salary cap era where their team was constantly

623
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: turned over. The great quarterbacks, the Montanas, the Bradshaw's name.

624
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: I just go through the list of guys that have

625
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: played great NFL quarterbacks through history, had the same teams

626
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: over and over and over again, never with the threat

627
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: of losing a player like They've been on this dynasty

628
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: for fifteen years. But how many how many Patriots are

629
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: going to get in the Hall of Fame from this

630
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: fifteen year dynasty maybe, but they don't stick around that long,

631
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Gronk eventually they do. They do rotate

632
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: their team pretty regularly. You got Brady and Belichick, and

633
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: then you've got a lot of pieces that have filtered

634
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: in for three, four, maybe five years. But it's not

635
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: like the Rice Montana for ten years. Complimentary players. Yeah,

636
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: they've had a lot of credible Yeah, you look at

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. I mean you look at the receivers he's had,

638
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: the Reggie Waynes and the Marvin Harrison's and those guys.

639
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: I mean that he had the same group. Brady was

640
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: constantly rotating guys in and out. So yeah, it's a

641
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: it's the salary cap. Quarterbacks are pretty special guys because

642
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: of what they've had to do with Yeah, that is insanity,

643
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: but that made me think of something. We're talking about

644
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: this and how to create space. This is an interesting

645
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: window for the Cowboys though, because you're not paying a

646
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: quarterback two hundred million dollars right now, you don't have

647
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: a Romo contract. You're paying what nine million and dead

648
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: money for Tony. But you know, it's kind of like

649
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: Seattle a few years ago where they want to got

650
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: to two super Bowls, one one with a quarterback on

651
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: a rookie contract. It's an opportunity before you've got to

652
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Speaker 1: make a decision on Dak and what you're paying him

653
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: to go spend your money elsewhere. That will come this year. Yeah,

654
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna you're gonna have to have this discussion, you know,

655
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Speaker 1: after next season if you want to extend him. You know,

656
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Speaker 1: and again that's might that might mean, you know, you're

657
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: thinking about the stuff with Lawrence. You know, maybe that's

658
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: why you make Lawrence have to play on that one

659
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: year deal because you're thinking about it. Might have to

660
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: do my quarterback next year, you know, or think or

661
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: start to think about doing my quarterback next year. Does

662
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: he have more than a three year deal? You got

663
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: a four year You got four years. Yeah, so you

664
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: don't really have to do anything. Yeah, you can play

665
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: it out four years if you were sure. Yeah, but

666
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: you don't have that fifth year option with him. Yeah,

667
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: and then tag him and tag him. Man, the thought

668
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: of tagging someone, it's just a funny phrase. Tag you're it. Well,

669
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: if he gets if, if Lawrence gets eighteen million dollars,

670
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: he should just go ahead and sign. Seriously, if I

671
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: mean they offer why that's I mean, I would sign it,

672
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: but like it's a different world. Guaranteed money it is.

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00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: It's guaranteed money. I mean. And we've talked about the

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00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: health issues too. You know, God forbid something happens to

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00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: him in the off season, but that's his money once

676
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Speaker 1: it happens. Absolutely well. We're going to take our final

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00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: break from talking Cowboys, and when we come back, we

678
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: will talking be talking about more money decisions and what

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720
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Speaker 1: is talking Cowboys. Can you guys know why Papa John's

721
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: pizza tastes so great? Why? Well, you've heard of the

722
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: pepperoni right, Well, they still got the special going for

723
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Speaker 1: ten dollars. Yes, you get a deep pan pizza or

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Speaker 1: on there. That means you get twice as much one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent pork and beef on your pizza. And when

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Speaker 1: you get pepperoni like that, it can only be Papa John's.

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Speaker 1: Whooo great stuff. I think I think you would always

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Speaker 1: go for Papa John's. It's always National Pizza Day somewhere

730
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: anytime of day. All right, Rob, Well, we did the

731
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: two pole Tuesday here and the other one was to

732
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: get it more into the discussion because obviously DeMarcus Lawrence

733
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: his free agency is going to affect a lot of

734
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: other things. I mean, we've already talked about Anthony Higgens,

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00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: We've talked about Dez Bryant. The pole leads to that, Yeah,

736
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: if you had unlimited cap space, Tay, Ryan and Mickey,

737
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: which position would you spend it on? And I gave

738
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: you four options? Heay and I talked this one out

739
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: defensive end, linebacker, couple key free agents that that's at

740
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: those two spots offensive line or wide receiver. Give me

741
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: a choice back that brink struck up and pay one

742
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: spot to help fortify this team for twenty eighteen. It's

743
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: too hard to answer. Why why? I don't know who

744
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: you're spending money on? Which one of those four positions

745
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: has the best option to pay some what's the when

746
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: you look at what do you mean? Well, look at

747
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: the look at the list of free agent wide receivers

748
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: right now. None of them had a better year than Dez.

749
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: Do I want to spend big money on one of

750
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: those guys? Probably not so you got to tell me

751
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: who's available at linebacker. If if if all was equal,

752
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: then probably I would spend it on the offensive line.

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00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: I'd on a depth guy. I'd go get me a

754
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: guard or starting left guard. Okay, Ryan, Well, I tell

755
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: you what I'm looking at, because let's go buy a quarterback.

756
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: Oh no, now you're you gotta write in vote for

757
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: the quiet but Drew Brees. But look at it ain't

758
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: going nowhere. Say no, but unlimited money. I don't know

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00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: that you're gonna get a Pro Bowl quarterback, but you're

760
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: gonna need one, all right, Yeah, that's right, dope, I

761
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: mean eliminate. Okay, think about this, if you think about

762
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: the top guys, just the top guys, and these guys

763
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: getting tagged like Lawrence Bell. Are those guys already tagged?

764
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: I can't get those guys. I can't get Lady on Bell.

765
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: Is he supposed to get? Well, no, I'm just asking

766
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: because he's gonna that's why. Okay, Okay, Jarvis Landry, Okay,

767
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: that's he's gonna. He's gonna get resigned. Don't you think No,

768
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: I just got unlimited money. I'm gonna money whip somebody

769
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: to get one of those guys. They're gonna get either

770
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: tagged or re signed before even free agency starts. It's

771
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: just okay, can we just think, so, what was Jarvis

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00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: Landry's numbers? Jarvis Landry's numbers coming? Uh, I don't have

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00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: the stats in front of me. I'm just asking because

774
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the top. I can't even have to

775
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: talk specific players here. These guys aren't free agent, just

776
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: the positions. Look at these what's the most guard spot

777
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: they gotta fix? Guard? Guard. I'll go get a guard. Yes,

778
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: I'll go get a guard. You think that's you look

779
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: at the team and say I failed them consistently? Wasn't

780
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: an if you if you watch the draft show yesterday,

781
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: we had a huge argument, would you give next year's

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00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: one to go get Quittin Nelson from Notre Dame? You know?

783
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: And and Dane and Dave argued correctly. I mean they

784
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 1: were like, no, I wouldn't you know. But if you thought,

785
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: if you could spend money and go get like the

786
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: best player at his position, you know, it's like this

787
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Speaker 1: Andrew Nowell Norwell excuse me from Carolina, Justin Pugh from

788
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: the Giants. I mean, those are good players. If you

789
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: could let me go buy one of those guys that

790
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: fixes my left guard spot. Well, the winner was defensive

791
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: end att and I to me, that says they're gonna

792
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: they want to buy. You gotta keep Lawrence. You gotta

793
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: do what you can to keep Lawrence, whether it's franchise

794
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: tag or just lock him up. So you're giving him

795
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: all the money, then it's what you're saying. I didn't

796
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: know if we were including our own players, it can

797
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: be sure. Okay, Well if that's the case, yeah, yeah's

798
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: because he's the defensive Him, Himmer Ziggy Ons are the

799
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: two best defensive ends in the free agency. And by

800
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: the way, I was thinking of somebody else at wide

801
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: receiver because Landry led the league with one hundred and

802
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: twelve catches. Yeah, I didn't know, eighty seven yards and

803
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: nine touchdowns. So he is not going to be available. Yeah,

804
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: but but we have unlimited money, right Rob, he's not

805
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: going to be available. Yeah, it's an uncapped year, Brian,

806
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. No franchise tag, Yeah, no tag,

807
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: he's not going to be available. Okay, then for give

808
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: me somebody that's gonna be available. Huh. Give me a

809
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver that's gonna be available. Why do you why

810
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: do you automatically think that Jarvis isn't Well, Miami would

811
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: have lost their mind if you had a guy that

812
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: caught one hundred and twelve passes for a thousand yards

813
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: and nine touchdowns and you said, ah, going to free

814
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: I was very surprised with what they did with Jagi.

815
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean it turned out to be that they were

816
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: having different issues and that guy was a young running

817
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: back for them. It was just the deal was right. Yeah,

818
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: it's you know, the Patriots could Nate Solder from the

819
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: left tackle from the Patriots, he's one of the better

820
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: ones in the league. They can let him walk. I mean,

821
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just was trying to thin very

822
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: good in the well Super Bowl. If you think you're

823
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: gonna lose Hitchens, then you've got to figure out a

824
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: way to replace his snaps. And I don't know if

825
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: if the free agency's the best route. Well, so you

826
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: said deep linebacker draft, so maybe that's the way you

827
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Speaker 1: do it. But I look at that spot and say, oh,

828
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, so it was defensive was linebacker second? Uh?

829
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Speaker 1: Hang on one second, everybody, Cowboy fans are screaming for

830
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Yeah, I know they're screaming for wide receivers.

831
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't care about the current guys they

832
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: got on their team. If they had unlimited funds, they'd

833
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: go get Jarvis Landry they try, or Alan Robinson. They're

834
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: not thinking about you know, they're not thinking about that

835
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver was second Si. There you go, Cowboy fans

836
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: have had enough of the wide receivers around here. Well,

837
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: Sanjay Locke could come in and whip amang. Yeah, we'll see.

838
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: I understand about the defensive end. And if you said,

839
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Speaker 1: if I had to back it up and I could

840
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: sign Lawrence. But but then again, I just told you.

841
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 1: I just told you I'd make him play for one

842
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: more year. I would pick another position. I would go

843
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: take a guard. Pick a guard that they could you know,

844
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: not a band aid, pick a real guard and you

845
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: could pay if it's unlimited. Sure, you know, but Micky

846
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: might make your wide receivers better. Mickey told you the

847
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: problems with the team last year was the offensive line.

848
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: Why are you trying to fix that? Is guard a

849
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: position you feel comfortable spending a lot of money If

850
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: you're about to sign a huge contract to Zach Martin.

851
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: That told you how important guard is this team? Yeah,

852
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: but I'm just thinking what you've already invested money? Why? Yeah?

853
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: And makes sense to go draft? You said it didn't matter, right,

854
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: I know, I'm because it's limited. I would not do that.

855
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: Taylor's like, she's that's it. She's putting herself into the

856
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: bushes now. Hips see. The linebacker thing is all dependent

857
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: on what they project Jalen Smith to be. That's true.

858
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: Can he play sixty plays a game for sixteen games

859
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: at a high level and with an eye on Sean

860
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: Lee being thirty years old? And how many snaps do

861
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: you want him to play every game? I want him

862
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: on the field and I didn't replay he's healthy. Yeah,

863
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: I know you do, but he you know, had the

864
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: hamstring stuff a couple of different times get soared hamstring.

865
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Does it reach a point with Sean where you don't

866
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: you want to quote more quality snaps? That's going to

867
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: have to be a draft choice. Let me ask you this.

868
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: The Vara Bowman or Anthony Hitchens twenty six years old

869
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: or thirty some for a couple of years a year

870
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: maybe help you with that whole thing. With well, I'm

871
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: thinking that he would be an insurance policy exactly. But

872
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying I don't. I don't have to. I don't.

873
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to commit, I could. I can make

874
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: sure that Jalen Smith is ready. See, I need an

875
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: insurance policy that was better than justin Durant. Yeah, just

876
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: in case I'm wrong about Jaylen Smith. That's what I'm saying.

877
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: The Vara Bowman is that guy to me? Yeah, it is.

878
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: What you scared me with was insurance policy. And I

879
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: say that because and this is a little bit different,

880
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: but I felt like this team thought they were doing

881
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: an insurance policy with Alfred Morris and Darren McFadden and

882
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: then look what happened there what they were I mean,

883
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: insurance policies can't be real expensive. Yeah, yeah, because you

884
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: may not use him, that's true. I just Varro Bowman's

885
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: thirty thirty thirty years old, just twenty six, Yeah, and

886
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: he played He played almost a thousand snaps last year

887
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL nine ninety nine. So how about Nigel

888
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: Bradham from the Eagles. He's twenty nine years old, He's

889
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: an insideline back. You probably to pay for him. You

890
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: might have to pay. He's looking for starter money, Okay,

891
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: hitting tweets about Cushing and Darrell Freeman. Now we get

892
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: these tweets every time, Brian, I know, I know, I

893
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: live it, I live it. I'm asking it again because again, okay,

894
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: I say about Bradham, he's twenty nine, he played almost

895
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: a thousand snaps as well. He you know, he it's

896
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: a they're talking about. It's a position that rarely gets

897
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: paid and they've got salary cap problems themselves. But sure,

898
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: sure they've got about four guys that they need to resign,

899
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: and they're not going to be able to do it

900
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: because they're already over the cap. If you knew a

901
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: lot about Bredham as compared to Hitchens, you know, if

902
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: you said, which one's cheaper, which one's better, you know

903
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: which one's better. I want I want to keep Hitchings.

904
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: I want to keep a guy that i'm I know

905
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: and they can play any spot. So Cowboy fans hate

906
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: you right now? Rob? Why and I'm with you? And

907
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: then Mickey they hate you too? Why? No? They just

908
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: do because because because we love hope and we love

909
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: the unknown. And yeah because no, yeah, because fans love

910
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: the Hope and the unknown, we love the we love

911
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: the other guy. We love the other guy. We've seen

912
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: Hitchens play, So that's that's that's my yearly question to

913
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: those folks are would you bet your salary on that decision?

914
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,959
Speaker 1: Because you don't have to bet it, right, it's free money.

915
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: It's like playing fantasy football monopoly. But what if you

916
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: made eighty thousand dollars a year and you were wrong

917
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: and you don't get paid, you lose your eighty thousand,

918
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: would you make that decision or would you be a

919
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: little bit more conservative? So, yeah, Hitchins is the youngest

920
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: of the group, he's twenty six. Can you afford to

921
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: be conservative? Yes, I can't afford to have dead money

922
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: because I make bad decisions. I got two players sitting

923
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: on that for that right. You know Philadelphia that everybody

924
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: talks about the guys they hit on, They had guys

925
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: they missed on too. By the way, look at the

926
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: missus that the Giants made and they're gonna have to

927
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: pay for those. Yeah, it's how you had Olivier Vernon.

928
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: It's it's not a it's not a you know, it's

929
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: not fantasy football. There's money involved here, real money, and

930
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: it's not just salary cap either. It's real money. So

931
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: I just say, when you make a decision like that,

932
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: judge it on. Can I lose my job over that

933
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: if I make a mistake. Not an easy question, Not

934
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: an easy nope, Nope. That's why it's just so tricky.

935
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean, the draft is tricky. This whole free agency

936
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: is tricky. Because I was watching something I talking Cowboys

937
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: came on actually, and you guys were sitting there discussing

938
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: what they were going to be doing with this entire

939
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: secondary basically having contract years. This was a year ago,

940
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: you know, and that's where you were at last year.

941
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: And then what they did was they said, Okay, we're

942
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: we have more young guys coming in the draft, and

943
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna really saturate our draft with young dbs. That's

944
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, it's all about cost control. They don't.

945
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: They just you've got to have those fair rookie deals

946
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: and then if they prove it to you, then you

947
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: pay them. That's that's yeah. Really, the best franchises have

948
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: done that, the teams that have been in the playoffs

949
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: year after year. You see it. Pittsburgh does it. And

950
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: it all hinges on how well you draft and the

951
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: team to spend the moment in free agency are the

952
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: ones that draft the poorest. They would have won the

953
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: bat on the defensive backs. Had those guys stayed healthy,

954
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: they would have won it earlier. I think they won

955
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: it later. I think they feel now. Yeah, but I'm

956
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: saying if they were healthy all through training camp, we

957
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: would have seen them considerably earlier and it would have

958
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: helped out they wasted time with Nolan Carroll. By the way,

959
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: the Eagles only have five hundred thousand dollars in dead money. Yeah, yeah,

960
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: but they're they're over the cap already, right, Just keep

961
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: kicking those cowboy fans, Brian, No, I'm just I'm just

962
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: asking Ron Brooks and Nate Gary are the only two

963
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: guys that have dead money on on their thing right now? So, yeah,

964
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: their cap space, Mickey is right, they're nine point six

965
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: million over and they've got like three or four starters

966
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: that are their free agency either starters or prime backups

967
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: that they've got to pay. Yeah, that is true. Well,

968
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: I hope we offered you something because we've spent almost

969
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: an hour talking about all of this, and it's just

970
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: it's so it's not an exact science at all, No,

971
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: not at all. We've we've talked about it. You know,

972
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: they've tried to nibble in free agency and you know,

973
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: his last bottom years, last couple of years, it largely

974
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: has not worked for him. And they need to get

975
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: back on that. They used to have a time where

976
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,959
Speaker 1: they were able to find some guys and be better

977
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: the pro department. You know, they need to get back

978
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: on that train where they were rolling along and you know,

979
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: they spend some money on some guys that just didn't

980
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: can't play, you know, and they need to. They need to.

981
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: Of course, they need to change the direction there if

982
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: they're going to do that. But how do you do that?

983
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: Oh no, you just the direction of what you're looking

984
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: for or it's gotta be right, gotta be Yeah, you

985
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: gotta be better at the depth. The depth issue is.

986
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: You know, that's how that really the Eagles. You look

987
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: at how they were able to survive it the depth

988
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: they gotta They draft, they had a couple of guys again,

989
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: made some trades. You know, you look at you look

990
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: at what they were able to do with with their guys.

991
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean they went and signed Nick Foles. I mean

992
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: that was that was huge for them. They didn't think

993
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: they were gonna lose Carson Wentz. They lost him, you know,

994
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: so yeah, they've they've I'm just talking again about the

995
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: Eagles and just kind of looking through their thing. Timmy

996
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: Jernegan was a guy they traded for one of their

997
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: better players in the defensive line. Tory Smith was a

998
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: guy that they signed, you know, Oops, Yeah, that was

999
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: an oops Tory Smith five million dollars. Yeah, he got

1000
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: five million dollars for thirty some catches. Well, then they

1001
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: and all Sean Jeffrey was a guy. All Sean Jeffrey

1002
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: was only was basically a veteran minimum three point nine.

1003
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: Right before they redid him. Nelson Aguilar finally played for him.

1004
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: You know, that was a draft pick that they It's

1005
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: you kind of look, Chris Long, that's another one. I

1006
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: mean they hit on some guys that that they bottom

1007
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: fish for some guys and got up the guys to

1008
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: come in and play at a high level. Cowboys haven't

1009
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: had that in a while. Haven't had some bottom fish

1010
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: guys come in and and be difference makers. See, And

1011
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: they're in a situation now where Peter's base salaries are

1012
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: going to be pretty high and they're debating if they

1013
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: want to keep him well because they're six years old.

1014
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: They got to found a guy that could take take

1015
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: over and play for him, right, Yep. His cap numbers

1016
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: ten million dollars. Yeah, that's what Peters is. So they

1017
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: figure they could save some that base salary. Guy. I

1018
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 1: think it's the last year. It's probably his signing bonus

1019
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: is about ready to expire. Anyway. Yeah, they've got some

1020
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: tough decisions to make. They would have if they post

1021
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: one or post June one, he would be a he

1022
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: would be he would count three point six million in

1023
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: dead money. It's what he would be on his contract.

1024
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's they've got they've got it. I

1025
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: mean they could get under They can get under the

1026
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 1: cap with some quick decisions. Fletcher, Cox, Lane Johnson guys

1027
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: like that. Yep, they could do that. So at one

1028
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: position we keep it ignoring is if you're buying insurance,

1029
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: do you want it at quarterback? Hey, I don't think

1030
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: we're ignoring that. I think Brian's brand's been throwing those

1031
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: grenades over there. I just feel like that if we

1032
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: were in two thousand and nineteen and say that it

1033
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: was a nine and seven season and you kind of

1034
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: feel like Dak had an Okay, but I'm not talking

1035
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: about a starter. I'm about drafting the guy. I mean,

1036
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: aren't you okay? I'm talking about drafting the guy in

1037
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: the first round. This sounds like a great pool. But

1038
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: is he ready to be your backup? Not just that

1039
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: we have like but no, we started late. We're okay?

1040
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: Are you good with Cooper Rush? Not just that? Could

1041
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: Dak have benefited from a veteran again as a sounding board?

1042
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: Or is that Kellen Moore's job and Kellen Moore's job

1043
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: job last time? That's how you got the quarterback coach shot.

1044
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: But I'm saying playing you're good with Cooper Rush? Start

1045
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: in twelve games? I think in the preseason he gave

1046
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: you some hope. But yeah, I mean your mill showers

1047
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: the year before. Yeah, all I'm saying, Bran, I wasn't

1048
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: trying to argue, No, I don't. I don't disagree. I mean,

1049
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: I think that you have to look at the backup

1050
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: quarterbacks position. I think he's absolutely right, But do you

1051
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: need to bring somebody in to compete with Cooper Rush?

1052
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: That's and that's my That's why I asked you, with

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Speaker 1: the unlimited money, would you go out and would get

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Speaker 1: another quarterbacksant it's going to cost you. Yeah, go on

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Speaker 1: and get a starter. Look at what they paid fulls. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they didn't get that for free. That was a good riding.

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Speaker 1: Brian and I wasn't thinking specific players. We're just talking

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Speaker 1: like position and yeah that's Nick falls a seven point

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Speaker 1: six million dollars next full question back quarterback. Yep. And

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Speaker 1: we'll be back here next Tuesday at our same time,

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Speaker 1: if not a little bit earlier. Mickey and I will

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Speaker 1: be here, but these guys across the table from us

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Speaker 1: will be an Indie at the convocation and Indian not

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Speaker 1: at all state. Yeah, Draft show Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Start working.

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Speaker 1: We're working our money absolutely well. Thanks guys. Things every

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Speaker 1: gonna tuned in. Thanks Ken. We'll be back next week.

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