1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, fellow conspiracy realist. We've got 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: a classic for you tonight. Pyramids. Oh man, pyramids, love. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 2: Them, you let you know them, You made me love them. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: They're pretty cool. How did they get there. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 3: In all of the places where they are? Right? 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: We usually think of Egypt, but longtime listeners with this show, 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 1: you know that the world is full of pyramids of 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: plenty and sometimes. Back in twenty nineteen we were recording this, 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: we were learning that sometimes those pyramids can be overgrown 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: and you can easily miss them. As it crazy as 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: it might sound, So things like light our technology can 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: help people discover, whoops, what looks to be a hill 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: is actually a man made structure. Pre nice. 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: Just there's so many rumors of pyramids being exactly what 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: you're saying, been like some mountain or hill that so 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 3: just just always been there and made structures in them 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: hills maybe, yeah, maybe? And could they even be in Alaska? 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: Let's find out. 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 4: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 4: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 4: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 4: production of iHeart Radios How Stuff. 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: Works welcome back to the show. My name is Matt 24 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 3: Noel is here in spirit. 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission controlled decand most importantly, you 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: are you. You are here and that makes this stuff. 28 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. For a check in, Matt, 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: I know usually I ask I ask you first, but 30 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: I just want to say I have to interject. I 31 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: am so glad to see you, man. Yeah, it's been 32 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: too long. 33 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: It has been we you know, for any of you 34 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: that don't know out there, let's just give him a 35 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 3: little behind the curtain. We record three times a week 36 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: this show, so we usually have a time like time 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 3: to be together in a room talking, catching up before 38 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: recording and everything. And it has been notes all the time. 39 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: We are friends outside of this magical, darkened room where 40 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 3: we record. Yeah, so not having that has been it's 41 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: not been great. 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: So I'm weird. 43 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: Also happy to see you, sir. 44 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Thanks man. It feels good. Yeah, yeah, it was. Let's 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: see Paul and I were in Texas and then we're 46 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: in Chicago for a second, and I am hopefully by 47 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: the time all our fellow listeners hear this, I will 48 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: have returned from Brussels. 49 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: Wow, that's cool. 50 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm going there tomorrow as we record this. 51 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 52 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: But we'll still be able to record the morning tomorrow 53 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: because we have just to tease a bit. We have 54 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: a very interesting interview on the way. We have no 55 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: idea how this is gonna go. Yeah, we should probably 56 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: talk about that after we record today. 57 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: This is it solid happening tomorrow? 58 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: Yes? 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: Yeah? 60 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Really so yeah? 61 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, should we tease it? Yeah, let 62 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: me say it? Should we say it? Reptilians, the crown, 63 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 3: what else? Awakening the lion within? 64 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: Oh? There we go, deep cuts? Good job man. Yeah. Yeah, 65 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: so it looks like we are interviewing David Ike. 66 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, we made an episode about not that long ago. 67 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope I didn't jinx us saying that. 68 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: But that's if you are a longtime listener to this show, 69 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: or you're a fellow a conspiracy realist, you are aware 70 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: of the the more let's I don't want to I 71 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: don't know. Prominent maybe yeah, uh controvert. He he gets 72 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: a lot of press and he's been a prolific author 73 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: for quite a while. Uh so we are somehow going 74 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: to be speaking with him. 75 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so excited. 76 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,119 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I hope, I hope we do all right, because, 77 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: as you know, there are a couple of times where 78 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: I've felt that, uh, you know, we didn't quite get 79 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: one hundred percent where we should have been on interviews. 80 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 3: Well, well we're going to get there. And just the 81 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: concept of what he experienced when he was younger and 82 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 3: then went on television and told the world about it. 83 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: That that concept of somehow at least believing that you've 84 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 3: been gifted a message from some higher power throughout history 85 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 3: that's been happening to human beings Like I am so 86 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: fascinated by that. I really hope he's willing to go 87 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 3: deep there and talk about that. I cannot wait. It 88 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: really is something I've been hoping would happen on this 89 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 3: show and through this show, that we would get to 90 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: speak with him at some point. It took a while, 91 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 3: but we got there. 92 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely. So for everyone who has asked that we speak 93 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: with David Ike, hopefully we will do you proud. I am, 94 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: as you know, Matt, I am, I am hype adverse. 95 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, so. 96 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: We'll see. I just gotta, you know, I just gotta 97 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: make it through my shady international stuff. That's that's what 98 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm thinking. So I guess great, Great, We're gonna talk 99 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: to David ike that I'm off the grid for a minute, 100 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: but I will be back. Yes, And we're doing live 101 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: shows in Atlanta. Yeah, you and I. And now now 102 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: with all that update, all that prolog, I have to ask, 103 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: how how are you doing? Man? I almost almost I 104 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: must send you some prank text when I was at 105 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: the Alamo, but decided against it. 106 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: Oh, Man, I would have accepted. I'm doing really well. 107 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: You know, everything in my life is focused on my son, 108 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: and we're doing this thing where every morning he makes 109 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: a picture of a letter and then we talk about 110 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 3: what that letter is, and then the whole day is 111 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 3: about that letter. It's so cool, so like walking around 112 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 3: going to the grocery store pointing out things that are 113 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: like start with B. It's so it's so much fun, 114 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: and it sounds mundane and silly. I can't tell you 115 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: how much I love it. That's that's what's going on 116 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: with me. Ben, That's great. I want to ask you 117 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: how you're doing personally and with what's going on. Yeah, 118 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: but I have a feeling you would respond no comment Okay, 119 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: so let's go ahead. Let's go ahead and get into 120 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: the episode. Everyone, we're talking pyramids. 121 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: Today, right, Yes, pyramids. Pyramids some of the oldest known 122 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: structures built by human so far as we know. And 123 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: these structures have also captivated human beings, not just in 124 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: the recent days when they are seen as mysterious and enigmatic, 125 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: but during the times that they were built, right and. 126 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially coming across Let's say you're walking along a river. 127 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: You're following a river in exploration of some kind, and 128 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: out in the distance you see something towering and it 129 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: has sharp angles to it, which you don't find anywhere 130 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 3: in nature. And as you get closer, you realize how 131 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: large this structure is. 132 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: It's not just a mountain in the middle of the desert. 133 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 134 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating to put ourselves back in space and time. 135 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: In a previous episode, we explored these stories of pyramids 136 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: in other parts of the world, which is a real 137 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: it's a real thing, you know what I mean. Like 138 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: one of the earliest pyramids we know about would be 139 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: the Ziggurats in Mesopotamia, right, absolutely, Uh, they don't get 140 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: a lot of street cred. You know, a lot of 141 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: people never heard of Mesopotamia until Ghostbusters came out in 142 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: the eighties. Or no, no, no, maybe the Exorcist. 143 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: To be fair, Oh there you go. 144 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: Because isn't Pazuzu. Maybe Pezusu is Samarrian. 145 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: It all sounds familiar. 146 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: It all sounds familiar, right. So in that episode, we 147 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: we explore what pyramids are, get into the architecture of 148 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: the structures, how they're typically built, and so on, and 149 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: we talk about how there are multiple different kinds of pyramids. Right. Yeah, 150 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: and this this reminded me of a conversation that was 151 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: a little tangential, but I thought you would enjoy. I 152 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: saw one of those Internet hypotheticals right when it was 153 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: it hypothetical questions your friends post on the Internet, and 154 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: it said, okay, here's the gist. If someone gave you 155 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: ten million dollar right now, cash in hand, with the 156 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: following caveats, would you take the money. Here are the caveats. One, 157 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: a snail will follow you for the rest of your life. Two, 158 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: if the snail touches you, you will die. And then 159 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: there were a couple other snail related things. Yeah, my 160 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: first question with that was, well, what type of snail? 161 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: Because they're not all. You know, when we see the 162 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: word snail, we all think of like the same crenelated 163 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: shell and the you know, the the like living booger 164 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: that crawls around under it. But there are different sorts 165 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: of snails, and there are different sorts of pyramids. So 166 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: the thing that is interesting about this for our purpose 167 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: is that there's so many misconceptions about pyramids. Right. People think, 168 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: when we think of a pyramid, we think of the 169 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: angular structure you're describing. I love that moment you took 170 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: us back to where there's someone maybe living a hunter 171 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,599 Speaker 1: gatherer lifestyle or something, and they're they're walking along the 172 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: river and then they see the seat of human civilization. 173 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: It's breathtaking and they don't get immediately killed by the 174 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: security forces or of some kind, right, right. 175 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: Or the crocodiles or the other wildlife. Yes. Uh So 176 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: when we think of pyramids, we think of pyramids in Egypt, 177 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: located in uh northern Africa. 178 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: And it's all because of the movie Stargate, just. 179 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: Completely because of the movie Stark, which is an amazing 180 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: documentary it is. So it's strangely because as we found, 181 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: there are pyramids and other parts of the world, right. 182 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, they're not just in Egypt. We in our 183 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 3: previous episodes we found them in South America. We or 184 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: we knew that they were in South America. We also 185 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 3: found them in Africa, parts of Asia. I mean, it's 186 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 3: it's fascinating, and we keep talking about this because anytime 187 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 3: we bring up pyramids, you just get back to the 188 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 3: question of why, Like why, why the heck, why did 189 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: you do it that way? What is it? Why? Why 190 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: did you do that? 191 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my favorite part too. You know, like obelisk 192 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: these are weird. Remember when we went to uh we 193 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: went up to d C. And we filmed some stuff 194 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: about the Washington Monument. Yes, which once upon a time 195 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: was going to be you know, a statue of George Washington, 196 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: but now it's you know, it's this ridiculously phallic thing 197 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: you can crawl up inside of and reach the top. 198 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 199 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: Man, the tip, I don't know that's. 200 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: What it's all about. But really, the just that that 201 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,599 Speaker 3: that concept is still baffling to me. With all the 202 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: varying types, like you're talking about the ziggarettes, the you know, 203 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: the more angular pyramids, the stepped pyramids, all these things, 204 00:11:55,080 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: it's just they're so symbolic and I think outwardly embolic 205 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 3: of something to have that shape. It also goes back to, 206 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: you know, the construction process of you know, building up 207 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: in that way, right, right, But still it's just I 208 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: don't know, there's something so mysterious about it. 209 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: It's true. Yet we know that we know that the 210 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: primary purposes of pyramids and pyramid like structures I would 211 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: also include maybe mounds in the North American continent. We 212 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: know that the primary purposes tended to be spiritual or funereal. Right, 213 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: these are gigantic tombs taj Mahal's style, or these are 214 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: in the case of some zig rats, holy sites, sacred 215 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: sites of worship wherein rituals are enacted. 216 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: At least that's our best understanding from the work of 217 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: archaeology in our. 218 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: Rights, right, the work of some brilliant archaeologists, and then 219 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: also the work of some just morally bankrupt ones back 220 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: in the day. And then that's you know, like the 221 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: racism that gave rise later first to the idea of 222 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: law civilizations and then later to the idea of extraterrestrials. 223 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: Because the people and we have to hit this fact. 224 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: The people who wrote a lot of early early stories 225 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: about discovering these different amazing structures in different parts of 226 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: the world. They they were somehow, on some level offended 227 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: by the idea that the ancestors of the local people 228 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: could have built those. Yeah, so there you have it. 229 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: We know that that's the craziest thing we know that pyramids, 230 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: despite being ancient, the ancient pyramids and structures we talked about, 231 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: remain controversial today, not just because of the institutionalized discrimination 232 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: and stuff, but also because people continued to claim that 233 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: they have discovered more ancient pyramids. 234 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 3: Thanks to Google Earth. 235 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: May don't you know? I love Google Earth and Light Are. 236 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: I know that's true? We will, we all do. They're 237 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 3: amazing tools. It just it gives an opportunity to at 238 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: least search from behind a computer screen the entire planet 239 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 3: for things that look angular are out of place, or 240 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 3: square rectangular. 241 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: Right. And it's not to say that these things don't 242 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: exist somewhere in the world, because in many parts of 243 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: the world, the surrounding ecosystem will eat everything made by man. 244 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You can build something in 245 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:43,239 Speaker 1: a jungle and it can just for all intents and purposes, 246 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: it can vanish. Yeah, and I think you know, you 247 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: and I probably both still check in to see how 248 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: many new ruins or ancient sites are found just in 249 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: the Amazon alone, because a ton so. So we know 250 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: that these things do exist, but we also know that 251 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of exaggeration and a lot of hyperbole 252 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: involved in these claims. Generally, these discoveries become controversial for 253 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: one reason or another, and it's not it's not a 254 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: case of you know, someone pretending to be a scientist 255 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: in lyne or selling snake oil, as is so often 256 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: the case in a lot of scientific research. The scientists, 257 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: the archaeologist, the experts. They say one thing, maybe in 258 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: a relatively obscure journal of some sort, and then someone 259 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,119 Speaker 1: someone else says, hey, this would be a great headline 260 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: for my my blog, my my pop culture news thing, right, 261 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: my fringe website, my French website. Sure, and then then 262 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, what the scientists really we're saying 263 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: gets convoluted and telephoned into something different. And that's where 264 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: we get into these claims of ancient hitherto unknown civilizations, 265 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: or they try to find something that is a selling 266 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: point for a pyramid, because in mainstream news or infringe 267 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: websites just saying, hey, here is a pyramid found that 268 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: confirms long held beliefs that this group of people lived 269 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: in this way, yes, or this crop or et cetera, 270 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: et cetera. We want want some apurbole, you know, we 271 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: want some superlatives, like when you graduate high school. 272 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and the reader and or listener or whoever 273 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: I think is just my opinion, wants to have that 274 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: discovery moment, that Eureka moment where it's oh, civilization was older, 275 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: or civilization did exist in this part of the world, 276 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 3: or you know that kind of I don't even know 277 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: exactly what it is. It's that it's a mystery being solved, right, 278 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: and you want that answer even if it doesn't even 279 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 3: if it's a question that you weren't even really asking 280 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: in that moment, but you see the potential for this 281 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: answer to a cool thing. I'm not sure I'm assuing that, right. Yeah. 282 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: We like we like patterns and solutions. Yeah, we like 283 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: seeing uh, we like seeing the bridge between concept day 284 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: and concept be Human beings are all about connection, right, Yeah. 285 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: I think I think that's a I think that's profoundly 286 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: a stupe man because now we're talking about psychological drive, 287 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: and so what what does this what does this drive 288 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: mean when we read about pyramids. 289 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 3: Well, it means, like you said, there are all these claims, uh, 290 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: that this is the oldest one. Here's the biggest revelation 291 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 3: that you're going to get with regards to this whole thing, 292 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 3: and we're going to give it to you right now, 293 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 3: such as let's say it's let's say it's nineteen ninety 294 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 3: six and you're at the endepend and you get a 295 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 3: you know, a tip about some seashell constructions in Brazil, 296 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 3: and you post it up and you put a title 297 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 3: that says something like world's oldest pyramids are discovered in Brazil. 298 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 3: But that's literally all you have to put at the title. 299 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,239 Speaker 3: That's what they put, world's oldest pyramids are discovered. 300 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: Right, Because with this kind of reporting, people love seeing 301 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: an st an eest, the big st, the old st 302 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 1: the strange s, right, And so when we see the 303 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: world's oldest pyramid, we think, what Brazil? That is definitely 304 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: not Egypt. So the story with this is interesting because 305 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: this is just one of a pattern of oldest pyramid claims. Right. 306 00:18:54,080 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: The Brazil Pyramids date back to two thousand BC three 307 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: thousand or BCE, whatever you prefer. And the construction techniques 308 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: are different, because again, not every pyramid is created equal. 309 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: These are as, you said, met built of seashells, and 310 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: they were built over a long period of time. But 311 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: for I think starting in maybe nineteen ninety two or so, 312 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: about four years for the articles published, teams of researchers 313 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: based in the area had been trying to figure out 314 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: what was up with these things because they had been 315 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: largely deconstructed. 316 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: Yes, or broken down, right, that's just over through natural 317 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 3: processes and stuff, or you know, destroyed, right, And they 318 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: were literally called in that article the remnants were called 319 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: piles of ancient rubbish. 320 00:19:53,520 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. Yeah, they were deliberately built. But while archaeologists 321 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: estimate there used to be a ton of them, a 322 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: thousand pyramids, there are some thousands and thousands of years old, 323 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: only ten percent survive in any recognizable way. They thought 324 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: the structures were one hundred and sixty feet high with 325 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: bases that were up to thirty seven acres, So this 326 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: makes them much bigger than the earliest examples in Egypt, 327 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: not as high, and also they took a long long 328 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: time to build, so that's a claim, and that's a 329 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: fairly reputable claim. The one thing that makes it different 330 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: when you really think about pyramids in Egypt is that 331 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: pyramids in Egypt have survived in not the best condition. 332 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: But as pyramids go, they're top notch, you know what 333 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: I mean. They are what fans of classic cars call 334 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: cherry condition, rightes. Yeah, So unfortunately a lot of the 335 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: pyramids in Brazil are not like that. They don't exist anymore. 336 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: But now you can claim that's the this is the 337 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: oldest pyramid. 338 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: Well yeah, And again, when you're establishing the age of 339 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: something like that, let's say the primary construction is made 340 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 3: of seashells. The mode of determining the age of those 341 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 3: is to then carbon date somehow the structure or whatever 342 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 3: is made up of those things. And if you're dealing 343 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 3: with seashells, I guess by carbondating the shells themselves is 344 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 3: how you get that number or that range. But still 345 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 3: there's so much variance there. I guess that's why you 346 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: have something like some of these are two thousand, three 347 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 3: thousand years old, some of them are up to five 348 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 3: thousand years. 349 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: Old, and those estimates to get so ballparky at some point, 350 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: you know, oh yeah, speaking of one could say, however 351 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: that you know what, the margin on the margin on 352 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: the dating process here may be pretty large, but it 353 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: doesn't invalidate everything. So sorry, Egypt, that's it. Brazil has. 354 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: What we now know is Brazil has the oldest pyramids. 355 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: But this was not the only claim for the oldest pyramid. 356 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: The debate continues today. We'll tell you more about it 357 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsors. 358 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: We're back and we're going to jump to a different 359 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 3: part of the world in a different time. Oh yes, 360 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 3: so we were in the nineties ninety six to be exact. 361 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: Let's jump to just a couple of years ago, twenty sixteen, 362 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: and in Kazakhstan. 363 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: That's right, man. In twenty sixteen, a report came from 364 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: an archaeologist working at the Kazakh Nash University, a fellow 365 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: named Victor novel Zanov. This apologies for the most pronunciation there. 366 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: He claimed that specialist working at the Sayakinski Archaeology Institute 367 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: in Kargandha, Kazakhstan, led by a guy named Igor Kukushkin, 368 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: had discovered the world's oldest pyramid in wait for it, Kazakhstan. 369 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: There we go there, we go, and that's another oldest 370 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 3: pyramid and it's you know, it's another one of these 371 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: super captivating headlines, captivating stories. The headline itself was world's 372 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 3: oldest pyramid was found and it's in Kazakhstan. That was 373 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: from Nature World News, so, you know, slightly different publication, 374 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 3: but still it's that same kind of title that's just 375 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 3: going to get your attention. So it's believed to be 376 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 3: built roughly one thousand years earlier than some of the 377 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 3: more prominent pyramids that are found in Egypt. Yeah, a 378 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: thousand years before that is that it's pretty significant if 379 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 3: if that's proven right. So it's located in this place 380 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: called the Sariyaka Steps and it's near the city of Karaganda. 381 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: It's like three nine hundred miles northeast of Cairo, Egypt. 382 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 3: You know, that's that's a long way. That's a frea comparison, 383 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 3: really long way. And you know, it's similar in appearance 384 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 3: to some of the other pyramids that exists there, the 385 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: Pyramid of Dozer or jo Jozer. I don't know how 386 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: to pronounce any of those things. I'm sorry, but again 387 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 3: it's really interesting. You can find the article on it 388 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: if if you go and look and you know, there's 389 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: more you can find here. 390 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: It popped up on It popped up in a couple 391 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: of places in twenty sixteen that you know, Yahoo wrote 392 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: about it. You can also find this statement from novel 393 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: Zanov who believes that this was This is what they 394 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: call a step pyramid, so it doesn't have that complete 395 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: flat angle, yes, like a pyramid of Giza or something, 396 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: but he believes it was a Moslem built for a 397 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: local king. Still, the age of it seems legit, but 398 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: does that make it the oldest pyramid or structure of 399 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: this type, No, say researchers. In Indonesia. You see geophysicist 400 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: Danny Hillman not the with Jaja. And again, thank you, 401 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: thank you to everyone who tuned into our episode on 402 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: the Arang Minyac Errang Mignac and told us that if 403 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: our pronunciation was terrible, at least it was endearing and amusing. Yes, 404 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: so hopefully that's what we're going for here, folks improv rules. Yeah, 405 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: This geophysicist based on the Indonesian Institute of Sciences analyzed 406 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: a site called Gunong Padang in Java in Indonesia, and 407 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: they said that this thing that people thought was just 408 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: a weird hill for a long long time was actually 409 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: a pyramid, and a very very old pyramid. This is, 410 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: by the way, one of the more well researched claims 411 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: at this point. Yes, which is not a ding on 412 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: the other pyramids. This is just to say that the 413 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: site in Indonesia and the team in Indonesia had more 414 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: time to spend and access to better tech. 415 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, they did. They had ground penetrating radar and a 416 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 3: couple other things. And they also took photographs of the 417 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 3: site and published them and made them available so that 418 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 3: you could see You could really see it rather than 419 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 3: just being you know, some text on a website somewhere 420 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 3: that always lends credibility. If you go to science alert 421 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 3: dot com, you can find some images, some aerial photographs 422 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 3: that were taken and some like closer up to the structures. 423 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 3: It's it's really fascinating to see. I don't know this one. 424 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 3: This one gets me. 425 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: This is compelling, Yeah, this is compelling. This What's strange 426 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: about this one is that while it was presented in 427 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: an academic setting, I think on December twelfth at the 428 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: Annual Media in the American Geophysical Union, it was still 429 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: considered highly controversial, but the research is compelling. You can 430 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: you can read it in depth if you just if 431 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: you just check it out online. It looks like there 432 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: were four separate layers and they were built over thousands 433 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: of years. So the first layer, the one that we 434 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: would consider the surface, looks to be about three thousand 435 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: and five hundred years old. The second layer, however, looks 436 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: to be eight thousand years old. And then they get 437 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: to the really crazy stuff. This is where it becomes 438 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: super controversial, right, Yeah, the third layer, according to their estimate, 439 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: is somewhere between nine thousand and twenty eight thousand years old. Yeah, 440 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand. 441 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: I mean maybe honestly, maybe maybe we just don't know yet, man, 442 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 3: But that seems a bit of a stretch. I mean, 443 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 3: it's pretty crazy if you look at it too. They've 444 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,239 Speaker 3: got an example of the layering. This shows you all 445 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 3: the different ones in the structure and how it looks. 446 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: And that initial peer, the initial layer that you're talking about, 447 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 3: the one that's that has that range of age. It 448 00:28:52,760 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 3: is the most sharply angled, the most basic pyramid struck 449 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: sure like part of the entire thing. And you know, 450 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 3: if that truly could have been built, even just at 451 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 3: the minimum of that number nine thousand years ago. That 452 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 3: is so significant for humanity and the history you know, 453 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 3: of bipedal intelligent things walking around on this earth. That's 454 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 3: pretty dang cool. 455 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: I can't wait to get to Indonesia one day, man, 456 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: there's so much history there that we just don't know 457 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: about in the West, you know. So one thing we 458 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: do have to say about this, about this site is 459 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: that when I mentioned that the research was considered controversial, 460 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's a ton of people are criticizing the 461 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: team's conclusions and their methods. They're very much going hard 462 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: on the paint with this. Right now, the presentations that 463 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: they've made remain non peer reviewed, which is a big 464 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: criticism by their opponent. But time will tell, right, the 465 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: wheels of archaeology grind slow but exceedingly fine, if we're paraphrasing, 466 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: And they've been at this since twenty thirteen, so it 467 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: looks like they're giving it a serious go. And this 468 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: is not going to be the last ancient site that's found, 469 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: right absolutely, so we know that there may be even 470 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: older stuff out there. And the idea, you know, it's 471 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: almost it's almost the wrong way to phrase the question 472 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: when we say, let's search for the oldest man made thing, 473 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: because there are so many things we don't know. Let's 474 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: just search for all the old stuff. That's what we 475 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: need to do, right, because so much of it has 476 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: already disappeared. But this leads us to I mean, we 477 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: had a long preamble here, but this leads us to 478 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: something that I think captivated us. You hipped me to this, Matt. 479 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: More and more people have started to claim that Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Egypt, Brazil, 480 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: that they have nothing on the true old structures, that 481 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: there are much much older pyramids out there in some 482 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: of the world's most remote locales. We always think of 483 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: Egypt when it comes to pyramids, But what about Alaska? 484 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: And we'll talk about that right after a word from 485 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 3: our sponsor. 486 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. It's true, fellow conspiracy realists. 487 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: In recent years, various groups have claimed pyramids created by 488 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: some unknown civilization can be found in both Alaska and Antarctica. 489 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: Now we've explored the Antarctica theory briefly before. 490 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 3: Yes, we have, and but before you even get into that, 491 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 3: let's let's establish here just the concept of general belief 492 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 3: in how humanity began, you know, in the fertile Crescent 493 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 3: in parts of Africa, exactly where where the rivers were, 494 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 3: where the water was, where the the land again was fertile, 495 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: and people could survive more easily, let's say, even though 496 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 3: life was a struggle, and then humanity spread out from there, 497 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 3: going to all corners of the earth over over the 498 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 3: course of time. Right. So when you introduce an idea 499 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 3: that perhaps there's an even older version of humanity that 500 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 3: existed in some other part of the world, that's that's 501 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 3: why it's such a controversial idea because it goes against 502 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 3: the basic understandings that are that are generally accepted. 503 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: I see. That's a good point because you know, the 504 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: most popular theory for human human arrival in North and 505 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: South America as we call them today is the crossing 506 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: the Bearing Strait via the Bearing Land Bridge, which was 507 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: about twenty thousand years ago, I think. So the issue 508 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: with that is, for instance, there's a twenty eight thousand 509 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: year old pyramid in Indonesia. The issue with this idea 510 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: of a pyramid in Alaska is how is one of 511 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: pure resources and timeline? Right, Because if you notice a 512 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: lot of these pyramids that we've mentioned in other parts 513 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: of the world are built in more human friendly environments, 514 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So the idea of pyramids 515 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: being built in these freezing areas, it seems like something 516 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: that would turn our understanding of history completely on its 517 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: head if this were true. So what about Antarctica. Let's 518 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 1: just do it quick and dirt. 519 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 3: Okay, we talked about this for check out the other 520 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 3: episode if you have time. Let's just say in nineteen 521 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 3: you know, Tennish, the early nineteen tens, the teens there too, 522 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 3: some British explorers were hanging out in Antarctica. They were 523 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 3: looking around, going, this is pretty desolate, Barren. I'm not 524 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 3: seeing much here. Until they saw rock, nice pointy rock, 525 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 3: and they said, hey, let's put this on our map. 526 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 3: It's a pyramid. It's the pyramid rock. It's a type 527 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 3: of a pyramid. 528 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: Great, Finally that's what it is. 529 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 3: You know, it was probably some kind of natural formation 530 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: or you know, from shearing from ice or something. Generally, 531 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 3: let's say that that's probably what it was. Isn't necessarily 532 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 3: exactly what it was or who knows what they found? 533 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 3: There may be a mystery out there in Antarctica still 534 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 3: with the old pyramid rock. We haven't been able to 535 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 3: find it thus far, neither of us have been to Antarctica. 536 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 3: But this, let's call it a seed. This concept of oh, 537 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 3: there's a pyramid on this map of Antarctica, somebody labeled 538 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 3: that that becomes a catalyst for all kinds of stories. 539 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 4: Right. 540 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 1: Yes, some were admittedly fiction, such as at the Mountains 541 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: of Madness, written by HP Lovecraft in nineteen thirty one. 542 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: Some were more rumor mill kind of stuff reported as 543 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: if they were true in newspapers right in the following decades. 544 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: But from twenty twelve to twenty sixteen there was a 545 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: new round of rumors spreading, and they were based on 546 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: photographs that apparently showed something, some geographical feature in Antarctica 547 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: with regular triangular sides, the kind of stuff that, to 548 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: your point, met earlier in the show would not occur 549 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: in nature. And so it was the argument about the 550 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: face or pyramid on Mars all over again. People on 551 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: one end were saying, this is true. Someone's covering this up, 552 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: this is stuff they don't want you to know. And 553 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: then there were other people saying, well, if we don't 554 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: get photographs of this thing at multiple angles. How do 555 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: we know this is not just a trick of perspective, 556 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: which is different from immediately calling bs. It's just saying, 557 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: go back there, take more pictures. 558 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's verify. What is it the old adage trust 559 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 3: but verify? 560 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, right. And it's funny because there were even 561 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: more rumors spreading. I think the favorite is our return 562 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: a returning champion of our show Buzz, Doctor Rendezvous. Aldron 563 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: returned in this story because I think in twenty sixteen, 564 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: towards the end of twenty sixteen, there was this rumor 565 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: that he posted a picture of this ice pyramid as 566 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: people were calling it and then said we were all 567 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: in danger. It is evil at chev and then he 568 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: rapidly deleted it. 569 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the rumor. 570 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: That was the rumor. 571 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 3: But what if he really did that? How crazy would 572 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 3: that be If Doctor Rendezvous was like, look at this pyramid, 573 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 3: they're here too, Oh my god. 574 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't know. That would be that would 575 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: be out of character. 576 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 3: For him, Yeah, I really would. Oh gosh. 577 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: That's because he's known sort of as a you know, 578 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: as someone who's trolled a conspiracy theorists before or what 579 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: he calls conspiracy theorists. But anyways, so that's that's Antarctica 580 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: at this point. Don't get us wrong. There's a lot 581 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: of very stuff that happens on that continent, and it's 582 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: part of the reason I think that you and I 583 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: want to go. Yes, and maybe we can talk Paul 584 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: into going with us. 585 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 3: But he's had some Iceland experience. I think maybe he 586 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 3: would be fantastic as like a guide and a oh, 587 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 3: spiritual advisor. I think, okay, yeah, Paul, can you come 588 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 3: with us? 589 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: Cool? He says, yes, Great, he's in Let us know. Also, 590 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: if you have been to Antarctica, we'd love to hear 591 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: your adventures. So Alaska, let's talk about this one. This 592 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: is a little more recent, and this is a bit 593 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: more enigmatic. According to a couple of people, there's something 594 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: strange buried in the ground about fifty miles from Mount 595 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: McKinley today. The most well known proponent of this idea 596 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: is a writer and ufologist named Linda Moulton Howe. Here's 597 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: how the story starts. All right, travel back with us 598 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: to Anchorage in nineteen ninety two. This is just for comparison, 599 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 1: the same year that the Brazilian research team began digging 600 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: into the Seashell pyramids. 601 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 3: So true. 602 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, nineteen ninety two. Same year, there was a television 603 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: news broadcast from Channel thirteen out of Anchorage, and they 604 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: had a segment about this discovery by geologists and other 605 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: more time scientists of an underground pyramid that they said 606 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,760 Speaker 1: was many times the size of existing pyramids in Egypt. 607 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 3: And specifically the Great Pyramid of Giza exactly. 608 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: So here's how here's the rumor, here's how it went out. 609 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: So US scientists were concerned about nuclear tests being conducted 610 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: underground by the government of China, so they set up 611 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 1: seismic equipment and elast to monitor this possibility of nuclear testing. 612 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 3: And keep in mind, just while this is all happening, 613 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 3: it's President George H. W. Bush in the White House. 614 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: Good call, good call. This discovery again was only allegedly reported. 615 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: And a scientist accord, this is a campfire story. If 616 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: you're listening, you, Matt, Paul, and I were all gathered 617 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 1: around a campfire, so let's use our campfire voices. So 618 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: the next day a scientist visits the station, this Channel 619 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: thirteen out of Anchorage, and he says, could I get 620 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: a copy of that video. No such broadcasts exists, they responded, 621 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: and he was stonewalled. Twenty years later, a retired military 622 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: officer named Douglas A. Mutchler claimed to have seen this 623 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: Channel thirteen report and he gave this information to ufologist 624 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: and investigative journalist Linda Moulton. Howe how confirmed the nuclear test, 625 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: but seems to agree with Muschler that there's more to 626 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: the story. You see, she believes that there is a 627 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 1: pyramid and that any information about it has been covered 628 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: up by someone or some organization thing something. 629 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 3: Oh man, that's that's awesome. 630 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,720 Speaker 1: It's awesome. It has even more fuel to the fire 631 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: here because you see, there was also a video that 632 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: came out apparently recently that that showed footage of this pyramid, uh, 633 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: that a team of explorers stumbled upon. Right, But there 634 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: are some problems with the video too. 635 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 3: Oh, there are certainly problems with the video. My understanding 636 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 3: is that it has this thing that that's called text 637 00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 3: of voice. 638 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: Oh right, right right, where people want to disguise their 639 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: voices or accents or what have you, or. 640 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 3: Just to be able to type something anonymously and then 641 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 3: have the computer vocalize it. 642 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: Can you do a computer voice. 643 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 3: Me mine would just probably be misconstrued as Stephen hawking. 644 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: Oh I see yeah, I want to stay away from 645 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: that one. 646 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 3: Huh yeah. 647 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 648 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 3: But it's the similar thing where it's a program that 649 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 3: is vocalizing the words there, but the I just want 650 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 3: to get this really fast because this is the most 651 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 3: mind bling thing for me with this whole story, this 652 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 3: campfire story there, because you know it mentions that this person, 653 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 3: Linda Howe, confirmed the nuclear test that China conducted, right, Well, 654 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 3: we can also confirm that that occurred, or at least 655 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 3: there was reporting about it in places like the New 656 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 3: York Times and the Chicago Tribune in May specifically of 657 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two, when China conducted a large test and 658 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 3: the signal or the vibrations from that test were registered 659 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 3: throughout the United States, specifically their system of detection devices 660 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 3: that are all over the planet. 661 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: Right right and have been since shortly after the invention 662 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,760 Speaker 1: of nuclear weapons. 663 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that story itself has that it's that grain 664 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 3: of truth thing where when you're looking into a campfire 665 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 3: story like this, you begin to see the walls they're illuminating. 666 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 3: You're like, oh, there, we're actually in a space. This 667 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 3: really does exist wherever this is or whatever this is. 668 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 3: But then you go looking a little bit further and 669 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 3: you get to that point where Linda says, you know, 670 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 3: the actual location of where this pyramid is though, has 671 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 3: been secreted away, it's been covered up. 672 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: And then it goes back to your original question. When 673 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about pyramids in general, a question of motive. 674 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: Why cover this up? Why do the guys say, is 675 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: it perhaps a sacred site for local cultures or is 676 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: it a site that is considered unclean for some reason. 677 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 1: The problem with both of those claims is that other 678 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 1: holy places throughout the world have almost always become tourist destinations. 679 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you could make money off of those things, 680 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 3: and that's nice, but here's the thing. Yesun Alaska, where 681 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,280 Speaker 3: it was located, not gonna get tourism out there. Probably 682 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 3: you got to build a bunch of civilization first. 683 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: Or maybe someone already did. That's the argument, right, that's 684 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: the argument. So it is true, though you're absolutely right 685 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: that there wasn't just one test in nineteen ninety two. 686 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: There was a test on the twenty first of May, 687 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: a test on the twenty fifth of September, and a 688 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: failed test on November two, all in the same year, 689 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: so this this was extensive testing. But the one you 690 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: had mentioned in the New York Times article, it's true 691 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: that was the largest underground test the government of China 692 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: had taken at that time. So it is true. But 693 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: the problem here is that there's very little indication of 694 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: a pyramid in Alaska from anybody other than these sources 695 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 1: that we've named. It does lead us to something interesting 696 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: that we had never covered before, which was the existence 697 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: of a Bermuda triangle in Alaska, the Alaska and Bermuda Triangle. 698 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: This is the kind of thing that a lot of 699 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: more mainstream television producers love. Yes, you know you can 700 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: see I'm sure you can find a cheesy episode about this. 701 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: But just so that everyone has the concept, maybe we 702 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: can explore this and see if there's more sin to 703 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 1: it later. There is this belief that much like the 704 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: Devil's Triangle in the Pacific or the Bermuda Triangle in 705 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:15,839 Speaker 1: the Atlantic, Alaska has its own triangle in which people disappear. 706 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: It's an area sparsely, very sparsely populated wilderness. It's very cold, 707 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: it's a inhospitable location. Wild animals abound right and this 708 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: triangle's thought to stretch from Barrow, Alaska in the north, 709 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,239 Speaker 1: which I think was popularized in Thirty Days of Night, 710 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: to Anchorage and south of the left all the way 711 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:47,359 Speaker 1: down to June. And it's different because it largely goes 712 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 1: over land, right, yeah, rather than ocean. Maybe there's a 713 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: bay or two that it cross as yeah. 714 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 3: And in this case, it's generally just I think one 715 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 3: of the concepts here is that it's generally forest areas, 716 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 3: it's mountain areas a lot, there's a lot of it's 717 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 3: very cold, there's a lot of ice, there's a lot 718 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,760 Speaker 3: of snow, there's a lot of all of these things 719 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 3: that are somewhat inhospitable for humans right in within this 720 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 3: triangle area in the center of at least before you 721 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 3: get out to the edges. And you know, a lot 722 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 3: of the claims that have to do with the Devil's Triangle, 723 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 3: the Muted Triangle and all these things they have to 724 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 3: do with a lot of magnetic anomalies. A lot of 725 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,320 Speaker 3: times they have to do with weather patterns that occur 726 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 3: within those spaces. And you could at least you can 727 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 3: imagine something occurring here. We're in this some it's not desolate. 728 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 3: It's just it's not a place where a lot of 729 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 3: humans gather and have all of their stuff. Right. 730 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: I think we should do an episode on this in 731 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:51,880 Speaker 1: the future. 732 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 3: Well, I think so too, because the disappearances that have 733 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,720 Speaker 3: occurred over this little triangle within Alaska, there are many, 734 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 3: and they're frightening. 735 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: Since nineteen ninety eight, more than sixteen thousand people have 736 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,800 Speaker 1: vanished in this this area mapped out as the Triangle. 737 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: This contributed to an average of roughly four missing person 738 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: reports for every one thousand people in Alaska. That is 739 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: more than double the national average. Gosh, so not only 740 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,920 Speaker 1: are there relatively few people in this part of the world, 741 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 1: but a lot of them go missing. Maybe maybe Alaska 742 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,760 Speaker 1: is just a place where people get off the grid, 743 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, or maybe they they end up at the pyramid. 744 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,800 Speaker 3: I've been Oh that's the thing. Okay, okay, look, before 745 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 3: we wrap up, let's let's talk about the biggest, at 746 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 3: least most fascinating out there concept for why a pyramid 747 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 3: in Alaska would be covered up? All right, do you 748 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,400 Speaker 3: want me just tell you what it is? 749 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:55,399 Speaker 1: Yes? 750 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 3: I think you know it. 751 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: What is it? 752 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,840 Speaker 3: We've been talking about ancient like human civilization building it 753 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 3: or something like that. 754 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: Uh huh. 755 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 3: But the concept that perhaps all of these pyramids across 756 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 3: the world, the big conspiracy, were all influenced by the 757 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 3: same extraterrestrial force that shaped humanity, that perhaps seeded intelligence 758 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 3: on this earth, on this planet, like an intelligent panspermia 759 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,719 Speaker 3: kind of thing. That to me is the most captivating 760 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 3: version of this of Like, that's why a lot of 761 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 3: these secrets are still hidden. That's why we don't truly 762 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,240 Speaker 3: understand the pyramids in Egypt. That's why we truly don't 763 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,800 Speaker 3: fully understand why they're everywhere and all of all of 764 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 3: humanity was so fascinated by that shape and that structure. 765 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: That's kind of a sacred geometry argument too. Yeah, so 766 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,879 Speaker 1: stargate stargate, I mean not to not to diminish that 767 00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: that would that would be amazing if it were somehow true. 768 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,880 Speaker 1: The counter argument people make for that, of course, is 769 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: that at the time, given understanding construction and technology, that 770 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 1: was the easiest thing to build that would last for 771 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: a long time. You know what I mean, I know, 772 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,319 Speaker 1: I know, I wish you know what, Matt, I hope 773 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: the truth is out there too. Yeah, let me too, 774 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: Hey tell you what if we do meet extraterrestrials in 775 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,920 Speaker 1: our lifetimes, if I ever meet them, even if you're 776 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,399 Speaker 1: not there, I Am going to try to get them 777 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 1: to build a pyramid, even if they don't care what 778 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: it is, and they're just like, they think it's our 779 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,319 Speaker 1: our hello ritual. If they spend the rest of their 780 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: time with our species thinking that instead of you know, 781 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,840 Speaker 1: waving or shaking hands or vocalizing, you build someone a 782 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 1: pyramid as a way of greeting them from scratch. It'll 783 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: be great. Yeah, it'll be worth it. 784 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so down with that. 785 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 1: Let's get t shirts with pyramids on them. 786 00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 3: I want. What I want to see is, let's do 787 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,080 Speaker 3: a pyramid on the ground right when it's kind of 788 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 3: a nice sea is kind of surrounding. We did it depends, 789 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,000 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what kind of musigrat it could be whatever. 790 00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 3: But then above it is an inverted version that has 791 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 3: lights on the top of it. In the bottom that's 792 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 3: like hovering down or coming down. So it's like as 793 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 3: above so below, and. 794 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,120 Speaker 1: It's kind of like the old UFO pictures where the 795 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 1: UFO would be cast in a tractor beam down on 796 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,359 Speaker 1: the ground. We could also oh you know what, let's 797 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: go with that design. 798 00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:30,920 Speaker 3: That's brilliant. 799 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 1: I have a caption, tell me what you think, aliens. 800 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:43,239 Speaker 1: The first pyramid scheme is that no not yet, yeah, yeah, 801 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 1: let's do it now you're good? Ah well and no 802 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:52,160 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick And that's our classic episode for this evening. 803 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear your thoughts. 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