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Speaker 1: George nor with you. We're back with Bruce Olive Solheim.

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Speaker 1: His book is called Timeless. Bruce, what about any demonic

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Speaker 1: situations have you stumbled into that? Yes? Unfortunately that is

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Speaker 1: that is also out there in the paranormal world, in

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Speaker 1: the spirit world. And these things, as far as I understand,

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Speaker 1: have never been human, never will be human, but they

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Speaker 1: are very real and very scary. A couple of them, uh,

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Speaker 1: one of them was a I was about eighteen years old.

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Speaker 1: I was in a very low place in my life,

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Speaker 1: very uh down I was not very successful. I dropped

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Speaker 1: And she lived alone, and there was a story, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it was true, that her husband had

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Speaker 1: told the neighbors complained that, you know, there was something

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Speaker 1: some kind of odd smell. And then anyway, so she

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Speaker 1: this had the old hag syndrome right, Yes, she had

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Speaker 1: And he was into, uh witchcraft. So he had invited

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Speaker 1: think they're very dangerous. You have you you had a

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Speaker 1: And so there is something to that this this that

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Speaker 1: That's how I ended up being a history teacher. But

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