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Speaker 3: In twenty twelve, six years after twenty one year old
Speaker 3: college student Nina Ingram was strangled at her apartment in Fable,
Speaker 3: there was an arrest and a man named Rico Cone
Speaker 3: was charged with Nina's murder, but after a key witness
Speaker 3: died suddenly, the criminal case against Rico was dismissed, and,
Speaker 3: as we said last week, Rico's legal team filed a
Speaker 3: civil lawsuit against the Fayeteful Police Department, suing several officers
Speaker 3: who worked on his case, as well as employees.
Speaker 1: At the Arkansas State Crime Lab.
Speaker 3: The lawsuit alleged that the case against Rigo Cone was weak,
Speaker 3: that there was no physical evidence against Rico Cone, and
Speaker 3: that the witness, Randy Applewhite, had told Rigo's legal team
Speaker 3: that she was not at all sure that Rico had
Speaker 3: committed the crime. Eventually, the entire case against Rico Cone
Speaker 3: was sealed by a judge, and eventually the civil lawsuit
Speaker 3: was voluntarily dismissed. Now, as we said last week, the
Speaker 3: lawsuit is obviously only one side of the story, but
Speaker 3: there are a lot of details in the civil lawsuit
Speaker 3: about investigations that were done by Rigo's attorneys for both
Speaker 3: the civil and criminal lawsuits, and about leads that the
Speaker 3: Fayetteville Police Department allegedly failed to follow up on. One
Speaker 3: of them was a person described in the lawsuit as
Speaker 3: a person of interest be who, from reading through the
Speaker 3: events of the case file, appeared to match the description
Speaker 3: of Jarvis Allen Harper, a man who worked with Nina
Speaker 3: Ingram at the Sixth Street Walmart at the time she
Speaker 3: was murdered. So we went back and tried to figure
Speaker 3: out how did Jarvis's name first come to the attention
Speaker 3: of the Fayetteville Police Department, and if there were other
Speaker 3: leads or other people who should have been investigated, what
Speaker 3: else did the police miss.
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Speaker 3: Gone Murder Line. Between the time of the murder and
Speaker 3: Rico Cone's arrest in twenty twelve, there were several tips
Speaker 3: in the case file that police received. One of the
Speaker 3: strangest happened on July twenty ninth, two thousand and seven,
Speaker 3: when the Fayetteful Police Department Criminal Investigation Division received an
Speaker 3: anonymous letter. The handwritten letter was addressed to the Investigation Department,
Speaker 3: but investigation was misspelled. The letter was postmarked Fort Smith, Arkansas,
Speaker 3: on January twenty sixth, two thousand and seven. The letter
Speaker 3: stated that the author of the letter had left Arkansas
Speaker 3: in February and just moved back to the area and
Speaker 3: heard about Nina Ingram. The letter writer said they used
Speaker 3: to have a class with Nina. They wrote, quote it
Speaker 3: probably doesn't mean anything, but a guy always weirded her
Speaker 3: out at Walmart when he would come into the store.
Speaker 3: She said his last name once it was odd, like
Speaker 3: dipper or deeper end quote.
Speaker 1: The letter was signed a friend.
Speaker 3: The detective stated that that the letter appeared to be suspicious,
Speaker 3: first because the letter writer was outside of Northwest Arkansas
Speaker 3: and because Nina had only attended classes at the Northwest
Speaker 3: Community College in Bentonville. Secondly, the detective who filed the
Speaker 3: report believed that the letter was connected to another event,
Speaker 3: a call that Detective Gentry got on January tenth from
Speaker 3: a lawyer named Michael Robbins who lived in Russellville. Now
Speaker 3: it turned out that Michael Robbins was the defense attorney
Speaker 3: in the unsolved cold case murder a beauty queen, Nonah Dirksmeier,
Speaker 3: one of the biggest unsolved coal cases in that region.
Speaker 3: When the detective talked to Michael Robbins, Michael told police
Speaker 3: that his office had collected a condom wrapper in connection
Speaker 3: to Known As case. He said they had a private
Speaker 3: laboratory test that condom for DNA, and he offered to
Speaker 3: allow the Fayetteville Police Department to run the sample against
Speaker 3: any unknown samples they may have in the Ingram investigation.
Speaker 3: Michael Robbins told police he believed that the cases could
Speaker 3: be connected somehow, since Nina and Nona were close in
Speaker 3: age and both college students, so this.
Speaker 1: Could have been a huge lead.
Speaker 3: Could there have been some kind of a connection between
Speaker 3: Nina and Known As cases? Could Nina Ingram have been
Speaker 3: murdered by a serial killer? The detective noted in his
Speaker 3: report that he didn't think so. He told Michael that
Speaker 3: they weren't going to take him up on his offer
Speaker 3: because the DNA from Nina's case had been identified. He
Speaker 3: later contacted the fifth Judicial District prosecutor, and the prosecutor
Speaker 3: told the detective he believed that Michael was possibly trying
Speaker 3: to cast suspicion on Known As stepfather, a man named
Speaker 3: Dwayne Deeper, but the prosecutor said they had no evidence
Speaker 3: that connected known as stepfather Dwayne Deepert to the crime,
Speaker 3: So essentially, they suspected that Michael may have been behind
Speaker 3: this letter in some way because they suspected him of
Speaker 3: trying to sway the police's suspicions in Nina's case toward
Speaker 3: Dwayne Deepert. That's just the detective's theory, as he noted
Speaker 3: in the report, but it's an example of something that
Speaker 3: on the surface may appear to be a credible tip,
Speaker 3: but ends up being just another red herring. We talked
Speaker 3: to Nina's boyfriend at the time of the murder, Josh Stewart,
Speaker 3: about Nina's routine. Josh said that with Nina's life between
Speaker 3: her business classes at college, her job at Walmart, plus
Speaker 3: all the people who came into the store, Nina had
Speaker 3: a lot of men who she interacted with on a
Speaker 3: day to day basis, and a lot of them seemed
Speaker 3: to have their eyes on her in one way or another.
Speaker 3: We asked some questions about Nina's apartment. Josh said that
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why Nina went back to her
Speaker 3: apartment so often was to feed her cats and change
Speaker 3: the litter. Because Josh's apartment was not big enough for
Speaker 3: Nina's cats. He said, that's why they were looking for
Speaker 3: a new place, somewhere large enough for Nina, Josh, and
Speaker 3: her cats to live. The day Nina's body was found,
Speaker 3: we know that her front window was open a couple
Speaker 3: of inches, but Josh said that he found that odd
Speaker 3: because he said that, in his opinion, Nina would not
Speaker 3: have left her window open.
Speaker 4: I've always thought it was so weird that he was
Speaker 4: able to get through that window, because she would not
Speaker 4: have left the window open because she was cautious and
Speaker 4: she had a job where she had to confront people, right,
Speaker 4: That's really key to this whole thing. I've never understood
Speaker 4: with the screen on the window and it being open.
Speaker 4: It's like, why, if you're going to commit a crime
Speaker 4: like that, why would you leave the window open.
Speaker 3: But a census worker had also observed Nina's window being
Speaker 3: open when she was canvassing Nina's apartment building in the
Speaker 3: days before she died. Now it's possible that the open
Speaker 3: window was something Nina had started to do recently, or
Speaker 3: just an oversight a way that someone could have slipped in.
Speaker 3: But in general, Josh said that Nina was very aware
Speaker 3: of her own personal safety.
Speaker 4: They train, so she just females that are in that
Speaker 4: line of work with Walmart, they train them say hey,
Speaker 4: there's just some of the extra precautions that you have
Speaker 4: to take when you're in this type of work. And
Speaker 4: you know, her boss at the time was female. She's
Speaker 4: very aware of what could happen when you're confronting people,
Speaker 4: you know, and that can have life altering impact on
Speaker 4: their lives, right, and what that could drive as far
Speaker 4: as emotional wize.
Speaker 3: Josh also told us that someone crawling through that window
Speaker 3: didn't make a lot of sense to him because while
Speaker 3: Nina's apartment was in a quiet neighborhood, it still would
Speaker 3: have been hard to do in his opinion, without being noticed.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing about a front window. Though that front
Speaker 4: window would have faced inwards to the courtyard of the
Speaker 4: apartment complex at ten thirty on a Friday in a
Speaker 4: college town that time, that in time of year, there's
Speaker 4: going to be people around, so much's climbing through a window. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you can probably do it, but it's not a smart
Speaker 4: time and place to do it.
Speaker 3: As we said last week, detectives believed that Rico Cone
Speaker 3: had knocked on Nina's door and forced his way inside,
Speaker 3: but the viscap FBI profile stated that the killer was
Speaker 3: probably someone who knew Nina well and was aware of
Speaker 3: her schedule. If someone was hanging around her apartment, it's
Speaker 3: possible that they spotted the open window and saw a
Speaker 3: point of entry and were waiting for her inside. After
Speaker 3: Nina was murdered, detectives did interview some of her colleagues
Speaker 3: at Walmart, but apparently Jarvis was not one of them.
Speaker 3: There is no mention of Jarvis in the case file
Speaker 3: pages we've seen. He apparently did not appear on police
Speaker 3: radar until August of two thousand and eight, when, as
Speaker 3: we talked about last week, his girlfriend, Nikki Perry, called
Speaker 3: the police to ask for a restraining order against Jarvis.
Speaker 3: When police talked to her, she claimed that on August second,
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, Jarvis had installed a camera. She
Speaker 3: said that he monitored her movements in and out of
Speaker 3: the front door twenty four hours a day. Nicki said
Speaker 3: that Jarvis had tied her hands together with black drawstring
Speaker 3: cords that he had taken from a pair of his
Speaker 3: workout shorts, and then sat on top of her pulled
Speaker 3: a gun on her and interrogated her after accusing her.
Speaker 1: Of lying to him.
Speaker 3: At the time, Jarvis's address was on Wes Sycamore, not
Speaker 3: far from Nina's residence, but there was something else at
Speaker 3: that resonance. In the living room, Jarvis had a framed
Speaker 3: photo of Nina Ingram. The detective who interviewed Jarvis in
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight apparently didn't clock the frame photo,
Speaker 3: and none of this came up again until twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: when Rigo Cone's attorneys were working on his defense and
Speaker 3: later his civil suit.
Speaker 1: When the detective.
Speaker 3: Talked to Niki about the photo, she told police that
Speaker 3: when she asked Jarvis about it, he told her that
Speaker 3: he had it because Nina was a friend of his,
Speaker 3: and also he said he was good friends with her boyfriend, Josh.
Speaker 3: Jarvis told Nikki that he had worked with Nina at Walmart.
Speaker 3: He said that he quote was pretty sure he knows
Speaker 3: who did it, but that it could not be proven
Speaker 3: end quote. In my opinion, someone with a definite connection
Speaker 3: to Nina Ingram, who worked with her and her boyfriend,
Speaker 3: who was accused of choking his girlfriend with the court
Speaker 3: of his athletic shorts and to allegedly exhibited violent behavior
Speaker 3: would be worth checking out. We know that, according to
Speaker 3: the autopsy report, Nina was strangled with an object that
Speaker 3: was between one sixteenth of an inch and one eighth
Speaker 3: of an inch wide, and that the murder weapon was
Speaker 3: never found. So the civil lawsuit gave some more details
Speaker 3: about the photograph of Nina that was found in Jarvis's home.
Speaker 3: He had moved since Nina's murdered, and he took the
Speaker 3: photo of Nina with him. It was in the living room,
Speaker 3: prominently framed and displayed next to the front door, hanging
Speaker 3: on the living room wall. And Nina wasn't the only
Speaker 3: woman that Jarvis had photos of. The lawsuit stated that
Speaker 3: Jarvis had photos of several female coworkers. Nicki also told
Speaker 3: police that Jarvis had photos of several other women in
Speaker 3: a filing cabinet next to his computer. One of them
Speaker 3: was a blonde, white female who he told her was
Speaker 3: a missing person. It's not clear whether the blonde missing
Speaker 3: woman was a coworker. That's something that we're trying to
Speaker 3: find out. We don't really know anything else about the
Speaker 3: other women in the photographs, but there are a couple
Speaker 3: of potential clues in that case file. In twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: Jarvis told detectives that one of the women in the
Speaker 3: photos was a female cousin of his who died after
Speaker 3: her car crashed into a tree and caught fire. Apparently,
Speaker 3: according to the police report, Jarvis described that crash as
Speaker 3: the first run in he had with detectives, again, though
Speaker 3: no mention of why he would have had a run
Speaker 3: in with the police. Nicki also remembered that the name
Speaker 3: mc millan was written on the bottom front of one
Speaker 3: of those photos, but so far we haven't found anyone
Speaker 3: with that last name who may have been the mystery woman.
Speaker 3: So we know that Jarvis and Nina worked together at
Speaker 3: the Sixth Street Walmart. But how close were Jarvis and Nina.
Speaker 3: Nicki told detectives that Jarvis told her that Nina was
Speaker 3: a good friend of his and that he was also
Speaker 3: close friends with her boyfriend, Josh. But later when police
Speaker 3: interviewed Jarvis, he said, yes, he'd worked with Nina. He
Speaker 3: had worked at Walmart for ten years, so of course
Speaker 3: he knew her, but he denied that they were close.
Speaker 3: After the domestic incident involving Jarvis and Nikki in two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, police did do some further checking into Jarvis.
Speaker 3: Nicki told detectives that Jarvis wasn't working the week Nina
Speaker 3: was murdered, according to the lawsuit, on August seventh, two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, Detective John Gentry requested all of Jarvis's
Speaker 3: employment records from the Walmart Legal department, covering the months
Speaker 3: of April, May and June of two thousand six all
Speaker 3: the way to January two thousand and seven. This request
Speaker 3: was made specifically in reference to the two thousand and
Speaker 3: six Nina Ingram homicide investigation.
Speaker 1: Jarvis was at work the day Nina was murdered.
Speaker 3: He clocked out of a Sixth Street Walmart at seven
Speaker 3: thirty seven pm on April twenty first, twenty sixteen. He
Speaker 3: didn't come back to work until April twenty fourth, two
Speaker 3: thousand and six. He was absent the entire weekend following
Speaker 3: the homicide. Jarvis told Detective Carlton in one interview that
Speaker 3: he could not remember whether or not he was working
Speaker 3: or where he was the week of Nina's murder. He
Speaker 3: said in another interview with police he was camping at
Speaker 3: Devil's Den during that time. Now, as part of their investigation,
Speaker 3: Rico's attorneys got in touch with the superintendent of Parks
Speaker 3: at Devilsden State Park. It was stated in the law suit,
Speaker 3: they were able to confirm that there were no records
Speaker 3: in the camping database for that park or any other
Speaker 3: Arkansas State park that showed Jarvis as a registered guest
Speaker 3: from two thousand and six to two twenty twelve. Of course,
Speaker 3: the fact that there was no registration in his name
Speaker 3: does not mean he was not there. But interestingly, there's
Speaker 3: also nothing in the case file about police following up
Speaker 3: with the state parks to see if they could find
Speaker 3: a record of Jarvis being there. Nicki identified one of
Speaker 3: the pictures in Jarvis's filing cabinet as being one of
Speaker 3: his ex girlfriends. Nicki said that this woman also worked
Speaker 3: at Walmart and that Jarvis had beaten this woman badly. However,
Speaker 3: Rico's legal team located Jarvis's ex girlfriend. They spoke to her,
Speaker 3: and this woman denied that Jarvis was ever physically violent
Speaker 3: with her, although she did say she was scared of him.
Speaker 3: And even if this is true, physical or domestic abuse
Speaker 3: does not mean that someone is a killer. Nicki said
Speaker 3: that in addition to using drawstring cords to tie her up.
Speaker 3: Jarvis had used other chords like the one similar to
Speaker 3: Bungies used to tie things down in a truck to
Speaker 3: restrain her in the past. Detectives also spoke to one
Speaker 3: of Nicki's cousins. She said she had seen rope burns
Speaker 3: on Nicky's wrist. She said she'd observe bruising on Nicki's
Speaker 3: legs and collar bone.
Speaker 1: She said Nicki had basically begged.
Speaker 3: Her not to call the police because the cousin said
Speaker 3: Nicki was terrified of Jarvis. When detective Williams talked to
Speaker 3: Jarvis on August twelfth and then on August fourteenth, two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, Jarvis told detectives he had worked at
Speaker 3: the Walmart on Sixth Street for ten years and knew
Speaker 3: Nina Ingram through work, but he said she was just
Speaker 3: a casual friend and, in his words, like everyone's little sister.
Speaker 3: He said that he knew Josh from working with him
Speaker 3: in the food department. He said Josh taught him about
Speaker 3: store procedures. Jarvis told police he and Nina had a
Speaker 3: brother's sister type relationship. He said everyone looked out for
Speaker 3: Nina and cared about her, and he said that she
Speaker 3: quote could walk into a room and light it up
Speaker 3: with her personality and was just a great person to
Speaker 3: be around.
Speaker 1: End quote. He also told detectives.
Speaker 3: That he and Nina had to be discreet about their
Speaker 3: interactions in the store.
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what this means.
Speaker 3: It might be a reference to the fact that Nina
Speaker 3: worked in Lost Prevention, so she might have been trying
Speaker 3: to go undercover.
Speaker 1: In the store.
Speaker 3: That might have been what he meant, though it really
Speaker 3: isn't clarified. Police asked Jarvis about the picture of Nina
Speaker 3: on his wall. Jarvis said that Nina's death killed him emotionally.
Speaker 3: He said he had found an employee who had a
Speaker 3: picture of Nina in his camera phone and presumably arranged
Speaker 3: to have it printed out before mounting it. So, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, this is a little bit contradictory here because,
Speaker 3: on the one hand, in this interview, Jarvis tells detectives
Speaker 3: and Nina was just a casual work friend, and yet
Speaker 3: he seemed to have some very strong feelings about her death.
Speaker 3: He said that he was quote torn up, torn to
Speaker 3: pieces over her death end quote, and that other associates
Speaker 3: saw him as being strong and wanted to come talk
Speaker 3: to him about how they felt, because they were all
Speaker 3: scared and terrified that someone as radiant as Nina could be,
Speaker 3: that someone could do that to her. Jarvis seemed to
Speaker 3: be saying that having pictures of people who passed away
Speaker 3: was just something he did from time to time. He
Speaker 3: told detectives that another lady in the store had passed
Speaker 3: away and that he had been looking for a picture
Speaker 3: of her as well. Then, according to the lawsuit, in
Speaker 3: twenty ten, Jarvis's name came up again in connection with
Speaker 3: Nina's homicide. In that year, a detective with the Washington
Speaker 3: County Sheriff's Office emailed a sergeant at the Fayetteville Police
Speaker 3: Department with a tip about Jarvis. Apparently, an employee of
Speaker 3: the Washington County Detention Center was approached by someone he knew,
Speaker 3: a woman named Robin Fleener. She worked in the gardening
Speaker 3: department of the sixth Street Walmart. Robin told police she
Speaker 3: had worked with Jarvis, and that Jarvis had been quote
Speaker 3: bragging that he knows who killed Nina Ingram and that
Speaker 3: he thinks it's funny that the police do not have
Speaker 3: any leads end quote, and.
Speaker 1: There was something else.
Speaker 3: Robin told police that Jarvis told her that Nina stood
Speaker 3: him up for a date one time and it angered him.
Speaker 3: It does appear as though, according to the civil lawsuit,
Speaker 3: the police did some investigative work on this lead. They
Speaker 3: generated Google map printouts of both of Jarvis's residence from
Speaker 3: two thousand and two to two thousand and six. They
Speaker 3: found that both residences were within walking distance of Nina's
Speaker 3: apartment complex the law coaud apartments. As Rico's civil lawsuit
Speaker 3: was gearing up, his attorneys claimed to have interviewed several
Speaker 3: people who had worked at Walmart at the same time
Speaker 3: as Jarvis, who quote reported very similar and disturbing tales
Speaker 3: about his bizarre and frightening, threatening, stalking, controlling, and harassing behavior,
Speaker 3: and especially towards those women whom he may have felt
Speaker 3: had somehow rejected or wronged him in some form or
Speaker 3: fashion end quote. The attorneys also talked to Robin, Jarvis's
Speaker 3: co worker, who talked to police in twenty ten. She
Speaker 3: told Rico's legal team that Jarvis always gave her the
Speaker 3: creeps that Jarvis had reportedly stalked another employee. This woman
Speaker 3: is named in the lawsuit, but were not naming her here,
Speaker 3: so Rico's legal team located this woman and interviewed her,
Speaker 3: and also talked to the father of an employee who
Speaker 3: had been a miner who had worked at the Sixth
Speaker 3: Street Walmart store. This father apparently had threatened criminal charges
Speaker 3: against Jarvis over alleged stalking behavior toward his daughter. Robin
Speaker 3: had also told police that she remembered Jarvis missing work
Speaker 3: the day after Nina's murder. She remembered this, she said,
Speaker 3: because this was atypical for him. Again, this was confirmed
Speaker 3: by the police request for data from Walmart that showed
Speaker 3: that Jarvis was out of work until.
Speaker 1: April twenty fourth.
Speaker 3: The woman police spoke to who Jarvis allegedly stalked said
Speaker 3: that there had been complaints from multiple other female associates
Speaker 3: in the store. She said Jarvis often said, I just
Speaker 3: take care of women. She told Rico's legal team that
Speaker 3: on one occasion, Jarvis called her and told her it's okay,
Speaker 3: you can sleep tonight. Then he told her he was
Speaker 3: sitting outside her apartment and that he was going to
Speaker 3: watch to make sure everything was okay.
Speaker 1: She said that she called.
Speaker 3: Apartment security on him on more than one occasion after
Speaker 3: noticing him outside her residence watching her, and she stated
Speaker 3: that Jarvis had what was known as a red file
Speaker 3: in Walmart store records. The red file supposedly had details
Speaker 3: of these alleged complaints from other female employees, but Rico's
Speaker 3: attorneys were unable to get a copy of that file.
Speaker 3: Rico Cone's civil lawsuit questioned why the twenty twelve police
Speaker 3: case file contained no references to Detective Carlton, the lead
Speaker 3: detective on the case, conducting a thorough investigation into Jarvis Harper.
Speaker 3: The lawsuit stated that this quote would certainly seem to
Speaker 3: be the most logical place to at least start end quote. Now,
Speaker 3: obviously this is just their opinion. It's only one side
Speaker 3: of the story, and we don't have access to the
Speaker 3: complete case file. But I also wonder why police so
Speaker 3: quickly moved to Rigo Cone and did not follow up
Speaker 3: on several names from the case file. A key component
Speaker 3: of the state's case against Rigo Cone was the fact
Speaker 3: that several days before Nina was murdered, she was cat
Speaker 3: called by someone in her apartment complex. Detectives claim this
Speaker 3: man was Rico, but her boyfriend Josh had.
Speaker 1: A much more ambiguous story.
Speaker 3: In last week's episode, we asked Josh about the incident
Speaker 3: five days before Nina was murdered, the one where she
Speaker 3: talked about someone cat calling her at her apartment.
Speaker 1: He told us that it alarmed Nina.
Speaker 3: She was shaken up by it, and it was the
Speaker 3: only time she ever mentioned anyone making her uncomfortable at
Speaker 3: her home. But in the police reports, the court documents,
Speaker 3: and from what he told us, these kids who cat
Speaker 3: called Nina did not resemble Rico Cone. Josh said that
Speaker 3: the guys were younger than him, and other than that
Speaker 3: one incident, which was brief, he doesn't remember Nina ever
Speaker 3: talking about being stalked.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen that any high profile. I haven't seen
Speaker 4: the majority of the police reporting. Really her mom, Judy.
Speaker 4: Most of my information came from her, you know, after fact,
Speaker 4: because I just it wasn't my place to go after
Speaker 4: that kind of information, and you know, I was trying
Speaker 4: to support the family as much as I could. But no,
Speaker 4: as far as being stocked in that sort of thing,
Speaker 4: I don't recall now and didn't recall the anything that
Speaker 4: would indicate that. And she didn't have consistent hours that
Speaker 4: she wasn't working eight to five every day. Her work
Speaker 4: hours varied from week to week depending on what the
Speaker 4: needs and asset protection, where her class schedule also dictated
Speaker 4: some of her work schedule, and then also just how
Speaker 4: often she was at my place versus her place. There
Speaker 4: may be you know, obviously everybody has some consistencies, but
Speaker 4: I don't recall that there would be anything that somebody
Speaker 4: would have picked on quickly. But I wouldn't be aware
Speaker 4: of anybody that would have been stalking her.
Speaker 3: Josh also said he was surprised when Rico Cone was
Speaker 3: arrested because this was not someone he'd ever seen before.
Speaker 3: We are still trying to narrow down the identities of
Speaker 3: men who were talking to Nina, and one of them,
Speaker 3: you may remember from past episodes, was someone named Joey.
Speaker 4: There's the thing about where Nina was in her life
Speaker 4: at the time. She did a lot with business school
Speaker 4: and business classes. You know, oftentimes there's group projects, there's
Speaker 4: group work, and there were times that she would be
Speaker 4: interacting with a lot of different guys do that through
Speaker 4: the work. I knew a lot of the guys she
Speaker 4: worked with, I didn't know all of them. I recall that, yeah,
Speaker 4: there are times that she would be talking with different
Speaker 4: guys on through chat and stuff. But I found a
Speaker 4: lot of it was for school, but I don't remember
Speaker 4: a Joey specifically.
Speaker 3: Josh told police that he remembered Nina contacting someone online
Speaker 3: on April twenty first from his apartment before she left,
Speaker 3: and later a text from someone named Joey was found
Speaker 3: on Nina's phone. We spoke to Nina's cousin. She told
Speaker 3: us that Joey was one of Nina's cousins. We asked
Speaker 3: Josh about some of the names mentioned in the case file.
Speaker 3: Josh said that he did not remember Freddie Hollingsworth, the
Speaker 3: friend and co worker of Nina's who stopped by her
Speaker 3: apartment a couple of days after the murder, who we
Speaker 3: talked about a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Josh said that.
Speaker 3: He did remember police asking him briefly about Freddie Hollingsworth,
Speaker 3: but again he said he didn't know Freddy, but he
Speaker 3: did know Jarvis. We also asked Josh about his relationship
Speaker 3: with Jarvis.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that was friends with Jarvis. I was
Speaker 4: friendly with him, just like any kind of work acquaintance.
Speaker 4: This is when I worked at the Fatal Supercenter on MLK.
Speaker 4: So I worked there through college, and so I knew
Speaker 4: a lot of people that worked there, and so when
Speaker 4: she got transferred to that store, we knew a bunch
Speaker 4: of the same people. Well, that particular store, being a
Speaker 4: college town, has a lot of college age employees, and
Speaker 4: Jarvis was near our age. I would see him in the
Speaker 4: break rooms and there'd be times where there'd be broader
Speaker 4: social gatherings, friendly turns, but I wouldn't call him a friend.
Speaker 4: We didn't hang out together and that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: But he said he did remember police coming to talk
Speaker 3: to him about Jarvis's domestic situation sometime in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was made aware of that situation. I believe
Speaker 4: in twenty twelve. My interpretation of Jarvis, he was a
Speaker 4: friendly guy and he would always be sociable, but then
Speaker 4: he would flort with the girls, and it was very
Speaker 4: obvious that he would do that. I think it was
Speaker 4: sometimes that friendliness there, that poordness that he would have
Speaker 4: with women, could be a little bit off pudding. He
Speaker 4: did know us. I don't know why he'd say we
Speaker 4: were friends, but I will tell you that during this
Speaker 4: time around the funeral, he did it first to me,
Speaker 4: got my number, called me a coupside, or texted me
Speaker 4: and was like, hey, you know, if you need anything
Speaker 4: and just let me know. And it did seem like
Speaker 4: he was trying to insert himself into the situation more
Speaker 4: than I would have expected for somebody who was on
Speaker 4: the outside of it looking in. But at the time
Speaker 4: I just talked it up to you, well, when you
Speaker 4: have a tragic event like this that happens, people react
Speaker 4: differently and in a lot of different ways to that,
Speaker 4: and so I thought it was a little odd. At
Speaker 4: the same time, it wasn't anything where I'm like, this
Speaker 4: is strange to me.
Speaker 3: Josh talked about what a kind person Nina was, how
Speaker 3: full of life she was, how hard she worked, and
Speaker 3: about the dreams she had.
Speaker 4: She was well liked, liked her. She was very busy
Speaker 4: with school, working full time, and was focused on that.
Speaker 4: Wasn't living a risky lifestyle in any way outside of
Speaker 4: an asset protection, which you know, there are thousands of
Speaker 4: people do that and with no issues. But she didn't
Speaker 4: deserve it. And I just feel for her family because
Speaker 4: I know, especially Judy, I have children am now and
Speaker 4: I just can't imagine going through that. We had only
Speaker 4: been dating for eight nine months, and that's just a
Speaker 4: very short amount of time, and I know the impact
Speaker 4: that it had on me. I can't have them the
Speaker 4: impact that it had on her parents, her brothers. There
Speaker 4: was just a trategy for her family. And the fact
Speaker 4: that they haven't been able to find anybody or convict anybody,
Speaker 4: the family never got that closure.
Speaker 1: Believe that Nina Ingram's case is solvable.
Speaker 3: If you have any information about Nina Ingram's homicide, please
Speaker 3: contact the Fayetfulee Police Department. And if you knew Nina
Speaker 3: or worked with her, or know someone who worked with
Speaker 3: her at the sixth Street Walmart in two thousand and six,
Speaker 3: please reach out to us. Don't assume that police interviews
Speaker 3: have already been done, because as we've seen, there were
Speaker 3: a lot of people who police did not talk to
Speaker 3: you in two thousand and six, and any piece of information,
Speaker 3: no matter how small, could be the key to solving
Speaker 3: this case. Remember, if the Viscat profile is correct, the
Speaker 3: killer was someone Nina Ingram knew, and unless they're dead,
Speaker 3: the killer could still be out there. I'm Catherine Townsend.
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Speaker 3: It's written and narrated by Catherine Townsend and produced by
Speaker 3: Gabby Watts. Special thanks to Amy Tubbs for her research
Speaker 3: assistance and James Wheaton for legal review. Noah Kamer mixed
Speaker 3: and scored this episode. Our theme song is by Ben Sale.
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