WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Nina Ingram Part 4

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty twelve, six years after twenty one year old

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<v Speaker 3>college student Nina Ingram was strangled at her apartment in Fable,

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<v Speaker 3>there was an arrest and a man named Rico Cone

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<v Speaker 3>was charged with Nina's murder, but after a key witness

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<v Speaker 3>died suddenly, the criminal case against Rico was dismissed, and,

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<v Speaker 3>as we said last week, Rico's legal team filed a

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<v Speaker 3>civil lawsuit against the Fayeteful Police Department, suing several officers

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<v Speaker 3>who worked on his case, as well as employees.

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<v Speaker 1>At the Arkansas State Crime Lab.

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<v Speaker 3>The lawsuit alleged that the case against Rigo Cone was weak,

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<v Speaker 3>that there was no physical evidence against Rico Cone, and

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<v Speaker 3>that the witness, Randy Applewhite, had told Rigo's legal team

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<v Speaker 3>that she was not at all sure that Rico had

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<v Speaker 3>committed the crime. Eventually, the entire case against Rico Cone

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<v Speaker 3>was sealed by a judge, and eventually the civil lawsuit

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<v Speaker 3>was voluntarily dismissed. Now, as we said last week, the

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<v Speaker 3>lawsuit is obviously only one side of the story, but

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<v Speaker 3>there are a lot of details in the civil lawsuit

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<v Speaker 3>about investigations that were done by Rigo's attorneys for both

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<v Speaker 3>the civil and criminal lawsuits, and about leads that the

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<v Speaker 3>Fayetteville Police Department allegedly failed to follow up on. One

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<v Speaker 3>of them was a person described in the lawsuit as

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<v Speaker 3>a person of interest be who, from reading through the

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<v Speaker 3>events of the case file, appeared to match the description

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<v Speaker 3>of Jarvis Allen Harper, a man who worked with Nina

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<v Speaker 3>Ingram at the Sixth Street Walmart at the time she

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<v Speaker 3>was murdered. So we went back and tried to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out how did Jarvis's name first come to the attention

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<v Speaker 3>of the Fayetteville Police Department, and if there were other

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<v Speaker 3>leads or other people who should have been investigated, what

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<v Speaker 3>else did the police miss.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Townsend.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the past six years of making my true crime podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>Helling Gone, I've learned that there's no such thing as

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<v Speaker 3>a small town where murder never happens. I have received

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<v Speaker 3>hundreds of messages from people all around the country asking

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<v Speaker 3>for help with an unsolved murder that's affected them, their families,

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<v Speaker 3>and their communities. If you have a case like me

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<v Speaker 3>Gone Murder Line. Between the time of the murder and

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<v Speaker 3>Rico Cone's arrest in twenty twelve, there were several tips

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<v Speaker 3>in the case file that police received. One of the

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<v Speaker 3>strangest happened on July twenty ninth, two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 3>when the Fayetteful Police Department Criminal Investigation Division received an

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<v Speaker 3>anonymous letter. The handwritten letter was addressed to the Investigation Department,

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<v Speaker 3>but investigation was misspelled. The letter was postmarked Fort Smith, Arkansas,

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<v Speaker 3>on January twenty sixth, two thousand and seven. The letter

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<v Speaker 3>stated that the author of the letter had left Arkansas

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<v Speaker 3>in February and just moved back to the area and

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<v Speaker 3>heard about Nina Ingram. The letter writer said they used

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<v Speaker 3>to have a class with Nina. They wrote, quote it

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<v Speaker 3>probably doesn't mean anything, but a guy always weirded her

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<v Speaker 3>out at Walmart when he would come into the store.

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<v Speaker 3>She said his last name once it was odd, like

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<v Speaker 3>dipper or deeper end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The letter was signed a friend.

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<v Speaker 3>The detective stated that that the letter appeared to be suspicious,

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<v Speaker 3>first because the letter writer was outside of Northwest Arkansas

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<v Speaker 3>and because Nina had only attended classes at the Northwest

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<v Speaker 3>Community College in Bentonville. Secondly, the detective who filed the

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<v Speaker 3>report believed that the letter was connected to another event,

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<v Speaker 3>a call that Detective Gentry got on January tenth from

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<v Speaker 3>a lawyer named Michael Robbins who lived in Russellville. Now

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<v Speaker 3>it turned out that Michael Robbins was the defense attorney

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<v Speaker 3>in the unsolved cold case murder a beauty queen, Nonah Dirksmeier,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the biggest unsolved coal cases in that region.

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<v Speaker 3>When the detective talked to Michael Robbins, Michael told police

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<v Speaker 3>that his office had collected a condom wrapper in connection

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<v Speaker 3>to Known As case. He said they had a private

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<v Speaker 3>laboratory test that condom for DNA, and he offered to

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<v Speaker 3>allow the Fayetteville Police Department to run the sample against

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<v Speaker 3>any unknown samples they may have in the Ingram investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Robbins told police he believed that the cases could

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<v Speaker 3>be connected somehow, since Nina and Nona were close in

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<v Speaker 3>age and both college students, so this.

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<v Speaker 1>Could have been a huge lead.

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<v Speaker 3>Could there have been some kind of a connection between

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<v Speaker 3>Nina and Known As cases? Could Nina Ingram have been

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<v Speaker 3>murdered by a serial killer? The detective noted in his

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<v Speaker 3>report that he didn't think so. He told Michael that

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<v Speaker 3>they weren't going to take him up on his offer

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<v Speaker 3>because the DNA from Nina's case had been identified. He

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<v Speaker 3>later contacted the fifth Judicial District prosecutor, and the prosecutor

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<v Speaker 3>told the detective he believed that Michael was possibly trying

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<v Speaker 3>to cast suspicion on Known As stepfather, a man named

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<v Speaker 3>Dwayne Deeper, but the prosecutor said they had no evidence

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<v Speaker 3>that connected known as stepfather Dwayne Deepert to the crime,

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<v Speaker 3>So essentially, they suspected that Michael may have been behind

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<v Speaker 3>this letter in some way because they suspected him of

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<v Speaker 3>trying to sway the police's suspicions in Nina's case toward

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<v Speaker 3>Dwayne Deepert. That's just the detective's theory, as he noted

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<v Speaker 3>in the report, but it's an example of something that

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<v Speaker 3>on the surface may appear to be a credible tip,

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<v Speaker 3>but ends up being just another red herring. We talked

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<v Speaker 3>to Nina's boyfriend at the time of the murder, Josh Stewart,

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<v Speaker 3>about Nina's routine. Josh said that with Nina's life between

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<v Speaker 3>her business classes at college, her job at Walmart, plus

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<v Speaker 3>all the people who came into the store, Nina had

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of men who she interacted with on a

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<v Speaker 3>day to day basis, and a lot of them seemed

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<v Speaker 3>to have their eyes on her in one way or another.

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<v Speaker 3>We asked some questions about Nina's apartment. Josh said that

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<v Speaker 3>one of the reasons why Nina went back to her

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<v Speaker 3>apartment so often was to feed her cats and change

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<v Speaker 3>the litter. Because Josh's apartment was not big enough for

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<v Speaker 3>Nina's cats. He said, that's why they were looking for

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<v Speaker 3>a new place, somewhere large enough for Nina, Josh, and

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<v Speaker 3>her cats to live. The day Nina's body was found,

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<v Speaker 3>we know that her front window was open a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of inches, but Josh said that he found that odd

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<v Speaker 3>because he said that, in his opinion, Nina would not

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<v Speaker 3>have left her window open.

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<v Speaker 4>I've always thought it was so weird that he was

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<v Speaker 4>able to get through that window, because she would not

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<v Speaker 4>have left the window open because she was cautious and

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<v Speaker 4>she had a job where she had to confront people, right,

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<v Speaker 4>That's really key to this whole thing. I've never understood

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<v Speaker 4>with the screen on the window and it being open.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, why, if you're going to commit a crime

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<v Speaker 4>like that, why would you leave the window open.

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<v Speaker 3>But a census worker had also observed Nina's window being

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<v Speaker 3>open when she was canvassing Nina's apartment building in the

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<v Speaker 3>days before she died. Now it's possible that the open

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<v Speaker 3>window was something Nina had started to do recently, or

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<v Speaker 3>just an oversight a way that someone could have slipped in.

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<v Speaker 3>But in general, Josh said that Nina was very aware

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<v Speaker 3>of her own personal safety.

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<v Speaker 4>They train, so she just females that are in that

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<v Speaker 4>line of work with Walmart, they train them say hey,

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<v Speaker 4>there's just some of the extra precautions that you have

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<v Speaker 4>to take when you're in this type of work. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, her boss at the time was female. She's

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<v Speaker 4>very aware of what could happen when you're confronting people,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and that can have life altering impact on

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<v Speaker 4>their lives, right, and what that could drive as far

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<v Speaker 4>as emotional wize.

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<v Speaker 3>Josh also told us that someone crawling through that window

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<v Speaker 3>didn't make a lot of sense to him because while

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<v Speaker 3>Nina's apartment was in a quiet neighborhood, it still would

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<v Speaker 3>have been hard to do in his opinion, without being noticed.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's the thing about a front window. Though that front

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<v Speaker 4>window would have faced inwards to the courtyard of the

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<v Speaker 4>apartment complex at ten thirty on a Friday in a

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<v Speaker 4>college town that time, that in time of year, there's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be people around, so much's climbing through a window. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you can probably do it, but it's not a smart

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<v Speaker 4>time and place to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>As we said last week, detectives believed that Rico Cone

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<v Speaker 3>had knocked on Nina's door and forced his way inside,

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<v Speaker 3>but the viscap FBI profile stated that the killer was

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<v Speaker 3>probably someone who knew Nina well and was aware of

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<v Speaker 3>her schedule. If someone was hanging around her apartment, it's

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<v Speaker 3>possible that they spotted the open window and saw a

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<v Speaker 3>point of entry and were waiting for her inside. After

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<v Speaker 3>Nina was murdered, detectives did interview some of her colleagues

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<v Speaker 3>at Walmart, but apparently Jarvis was not one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no mention of Jarvis in the case file

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<v Speaker 3>pages we've seen. He apparently did not appear on police

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<v Speaker 3>radar until August of two thousand and eight, when, as

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<v Speaker 3>we talked about last week, his girlfriend, Nikki Perry, called

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<v Speaker 3>the police to ask for a restraining order against Jarvis.

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<v Speaker 3>When police talked to her, she claimed that on August second,

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and eight, Jarvis had installed a camera. She

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<v Speaker 3>said that he monitored her movements in and out of

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<v Speaker 3>the front door twenty four hours a day. Nicki said

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<v Speaker 3>that Jarvis had tied her hands together with black drawstring

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<v Speaker 3>cords that he had taken from a pair of his

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<v Speaker 3>workout shorts, and then sat on top of her pulled

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<v Speaker 3>a gun on her and interrogated her after accusing her.

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<v Speaker 1>Of lying to him.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time, Jarvis's address was on Wes Sycamore, not

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<v Speaker 3>far from Nina's residence, but there was something else at

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<v Speaker 3>that resonance. In the living room, Jarvis had a framed

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<v Speaker 3>photo of Nina Ingram. The detective who interviewed Jarvis in

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and eight apparently didn't clock the frame photo,

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<v Speaker 3>and none of this came up again until twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 3>when Rigo Cone's attorneys were working on his defense and

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<v Speaker 3>later his civil suit.

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<v Speaker 1>When the detective.

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<v Speaker 3>Talked to Niki about the photo, she told police that

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<v Speaker 3>when she asked Jarvis about it, he told her that

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<v Speaker 3>he had it because Nina was a friend of his,

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<v Speaker 3>and also he said he was good friends with her boyfriend, Josh.

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<v Speaker 3>Jarvis told Nikki that he had worked with Nina at Walmart.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that he quote was pretty sure he knows

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<v Speaker 3>who did it, but that it could not be proven

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<v Speaker 3>end quote. In my opinion, someone with a definite connection

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<v Speaker 3>to Nina Ingram, who worked with her and her boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 3>who was accused of choking his girlfriend with the court

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<v Speaker 3>of his athletic shorts and to allegedly exhibited violent behavior

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<v Speaker 3>would be worth checking out. We know that, according to

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<v Speaker 3>the autopsy report, Nina was strangled with an object that

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<v Speaker 3>was between one sixteenth of an inch and one eighth

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<v Speaker 3>of an inch wide, and that the murder weapon was

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<v Speaker 3>never found. So the civil lawsuit gave some more details

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<v Speaker 3>about the photograph of Nina that was found in Jarvis's home.

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<v Speaker 3>He had moved since Nina's murdered, and he took the

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<v Speaker 3>photo of Nina with him. It was in the living room,

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<v Speaker 3>prominently framed and displayed next to the front door, hanging

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<v Speaker 3>on the living room wall. And Nina wasn't the only

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<v Speaker 3>woman that Jarvis had photos of. The lawsuit stated that

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<v Speaker 3>Jarvis had photos of several female coworkers. Nicki also told

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<v Speaker 3>police that Jarvis had photos of several other women in

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<v Speaker 3>a filing cabinet next to his computer. One of them

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<v Speaker 3>was a blonde, white female who he told her was

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<v Speaker 3>a missing person. It's not clear whether the blonde missing

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<v Speaker 3>woman was a coworker. That's something that we're trying to

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<v Speaker 3>find out. We don't really know anything else about the

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<v Speaker 3>other women in the photographs, but there are a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of potential clues in that case file. In twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 3>Jarvis told detectives that one of the women in the

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<v Speaker 3>photos was a female cousin of his who died after

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<v Speaker 3>her car crashed into a tree and caught fire. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 3>according to the police report, Jarvis described that crash as

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<v Speaker 3>the first run in he had with detectives, again, though

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<v Speaker 3>no mention of why he would have had a run

0:14:39.921 --> 0:14:42.881
<v Speaker 3>in with the police. Nicki also remembered that the name

0:14:42.961 --> 0:14:45.401
<v Speaker 3>mc millan was written on the bottom front of one

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<v Speaker 3>of those photos, but so far we haven't found anyone

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<v Speaker 3>with that last name who may have been the mystery woman.

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<v Speaker 3>So we know that Jarvis and Nina worked together at

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<v Speaker 3>the Sixth Street Walmart. But how close were Jarvis and Nina.

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<v Speaker 3>Nicki told detectives that Jarvis told her that Nina was

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<v Speaker 3>a good friend of his and that he was also

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<v Speaker 3>close friends with her boyfriend, Josh. But later when police

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<v Speaker 3>interviewed Jarvis, he said, yes, he'd worked with Nina. He

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<v Speaker 3>had worked at Walmart for ten years, so of course

0:15:16.041 --> 0:15:18.521
<v Speaker 3>he knew her, but he denied that they were close.

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<v Speaker 3>After the domestic incident involving Jarvis and Nikki in two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and eight, police did do some further checking into Jarvis.

0:15:26.881 --> 0:15:30.161
<v Speaker 3>Nicki told detectives that Jarvis wasn't working the week Nina

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<v Speaker 3>was murdered, according to the lawsuit, on August seventh, two

0:15:33.801 --> 0:15:38.241
<v Speaker 3>thousand and eight, Detective John Gentry requested all of Jarvis's

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<v Speaker 3>employment records from the Walmart Legal department, covering the months

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<v Speaker 3>of April, May and June of two thousand six all

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<v Speaker 3>the way to January two thousand and seven. This request

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<v Speaker 3>was made specifically in reference to the two thousand and

0:15:50.521 --> 0:15:52.801
<v Speaker 3>six Nina Ingram homicide investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Jarvis was at work the day Nina was murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>He clocked out of a Sixth Street Walmart at seven

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<v Speaker 3>thirty seven pm on April twenty first, twenty sixteen. He

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<v Speaker 3>didn't come back to work until April twenty fourth, two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and six. He was absent the entire weekend following

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<v Speaker 3>the homicide. Jarvis told Detective Carlton in one interview that

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<v Speaker 3>he could not remember whether or not he was working

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<v Speaker 3>or where he was the week of Nina's murder. He

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<v Speaker 3>said in another interview with police he was camping at

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<v Speaker 3>Devil's Den during that time. Now, as part of their investigation,

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<v Speaker 3>Rico's attorneys got in touch with the superintendent of Parks

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<v Speaker 3>at Devilsden State Park. It was stated in the law suit,

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<v Speaker 3>they were able to confirm that there were no records

0:16:36.281 --> 0:16:39.041
<v Speaker 3>in the camping database for that park or any other

0:16:39.161 --> 0:16:42.521
<v Speaker 3>Arkansas State park that showed Jarvis as a registered guest

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<v Speaker 3>from two thousand and six to two twenty twelve. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that there was no registration in his name

0:16:48.721 --> 0:16:52.321
<v Speaker 3>does not mean he was not there. But interestingly, there's

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<v Speaker 3>also nothing in the case file about police following up

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<v Speaker 3>with the state parks to see if they could find

0:16:57.641 --> 0:17:02.161
<v Speaker 3>a record of Jarvis being there. Nicki identified one of

0:17:02.161 --> 0:17:05.241
<v Speaker 3>the pictures in Jarvis's filing cabinet as being one of

0:17:05.241 --> 0:17:08.721
<v Speaker 3>his ex girlfriends. Nicki said that this woman also worked

0:17:08.721 --> 0:17:12.921
<v Speaker 3>at Walmart and that Jarvis had beaten this woman badly. However,

0:17:13.161 --> 0:17:16.961
<v Speaker 3>Rico's legal team located Jarvis's ex girlfriend. They spoke to her,

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<v Speaker 3>and this woman denied that Jarvis was ever physically violent

0:17:20.801 --> 0:17:24.041
<v Speaker 3>with her, although she did say she was scared of him.

0:17:24.241 --> 0:17:28.080
<v Speaker 3>And even if this is true, physical or domestic abuse

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<v Speaker 3>does not mean that someone is a killer. Nicki said

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<v Speaker 3>that in addition to using drawstring cords to tie her up.

0:17:36.521 --> 0:17:39.640
<v Speaker 3>Jarvis had used other chords like the one similar to

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<v Speaker 3>Bungies used to tie things down in a truck to

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<v Speaker 3>restrain her in the past. Detectives also spoke to one

0:17:45.761 --> 0:17:49.321
<v Speaker 3>of Nicki's cousins. She said she had seen rope burns

0:17:49.321 --> 0:17:52.641
<v Speaker 3>on Nicky's wrist. She said she'd observe bruising on Nicki's

0:17:52.721 --> 0:17:53.921
<v Speaker 3>legs and collar bone.

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<v Speaker 1>She said Nicki had basically begged.

0:17:55.921 --> 0:17:58.921
<v Speaker 3>Her not to call the police because the cousin said

0:17:59.361 --> 0:18:03.321
<v Speaker 3>Nicki was terrified of Jarvis. When detective Williams talked to

0:18:03.401 --> 0:18:05.801
<v Speaker 3>Jarvis on August twelfth and then on August fourteenth, two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and eight, Jarvis told detectives he had worked at

0:18:08.761 --> 0:18:11.441
<v Speaker 3>the Walmart on Sixth Street for ten years and knew

0:18:11.521 --> 0:18:14.321
<v Speaker 3>Nina Ingram through work, but he said she was just

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<v Speaker 3>a casual friend and, in his words, like everyone's little sister.

0:18:19.161 --> 0:18:21.481
<v Speaker 3>He said that he knew Josh from working with him

0:18:21.561 --> 0:18:24.481
<v Speaker 3>in the food department. He said Josh taught him about

0:18:24.481 --> 0:18:29.041
<v Speaker 3>store procedures. Jarvis told police he and Nina had a

0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:32.561
<v Speaker 3>brother's sister type relationship. He said everyone looked out for

0:18:32.681 --> 0:18:35.241
<v Speaker 3>Nina and cared about her, and he said that she

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<v Speaker 3>quote could walk into a room and light it up

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<v Speaker 3>with her personality and was just a great person to

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<v Speaker 3>be around.

0:18:41.761 --> 0:18:45.360
<v Speaker 1>End quote. He also told detectives.

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<v Speaker 3>That he and Nina had to be discreet about their

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<v Speaker 3>interactions in the store.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really sure what this means.

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<v Speaker 3>It might be a reference to the fact that Nina

0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:57.400
<v Speaker 3>worked in Lost Prevention, so she might have been trying

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<v Speaker 3>to go undercover.

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<v Speaker 1>In the store.

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<v Speaker 3>That might have been what he meant, though it really

0:19:01.481 --> 0:19:05.681
<v Speaker 3>isn't clarified. Police asked Jarvis about the picture of Nina

0:19:05.721 --> 0:19:09.761
<v Speaker 3>on his wall. Jarvis said that Nina's death killed him emotionally.

0:19:10.201 --> 0:19:12.080
<v Speaker 3>He said he had found an employee who had a

0:19:12.121 --> 0:19:15.281
<v Speaker 3>picture of Nina in his camera phone and presumably arranged

0:19:15.321 --> 0:19:18.200
<v Speaker 3>to have it printed out before mounting it. So, in

0:19:18.241 --> 0:19:21.321
<v Speaker 3>my opinion, this is a little bit contradictory here because,

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<v Speaker 3>on the one hand, in this interview, Jarvis tells detectives

0:19:25.121 --> 0:19:27.921
<v Speaker 3>and Nina was just a casual work friend, and yet

0:19:28.241 --> 0:19:31.041
<v Speaker 3>he seemed to have some very strong feelings about her death.

0:19:31.561 --> 0:19:34.360
<v Speaker 3>He said that he was quote torn up, torn to

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<v Speaker 3>pieces over her death end quote, and that other associates

0:19:37.921 --> 0:19:40.881
<v Speaker 3>saw him as being strong and wanted to come talk

0:19:40.921 --> 0:19:43.201
<v Speaker 3>to him about how they felt, because they were all

0:19:43.241 --> 0:19:47.361
<v Speaker 3>scared and terrified that someone as radiant as Nina could be,

0:19:47.921 --> 0:19:51.241
<v Speaker 3>that someone could do that to her. Jarvis seemed to

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<v Speaker 3>be saying that having pictures of people who passed away

0:19:54.161 --> 0:19:56.521
<v Speaker 3>was just something he did from time to time. He

0:19:56.641 --> 0:19:59.041
<v Speaker 3>told detectives that another lady in the store had passed

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<v Speaker 3>away and that he had been looking for a picture

0:20:01.641 --> 0:20:05.880
<v Speaker 3>of her as well. Then, according to the lawsuit, in

0:20:05.881 --> 0:20:10.080
<v Speaker 3>twenty ten, Jarvis's name came up again in connection with

0:20:10.161 --> 0:20:14.561
<v Speaker 3>Nina's homicide. In that year, a detective with the Washington

0:20:14.601 --> 0:20:18.200
<v Speaker 3>County Sheriff's Office emailed a sergeant at the Fayetteville Police

0:20:18.201 --> 0:20:22.441
<v Speaker 3>Department with a tip about Jarvis. Apparently, an employee of

0:20:22.441 --> 0:20:25.721
<v Speaker 3>the Washington County Detention Center was approached by someone he knew,

0:20:26.121 --> 0:20:29.081
<v Speaker 3>a woman named Robin Fleener. She worked in the gardening

0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:33.241
<v Speaker 3>department of the sixth Street Walmart. Robin told police she

0:20:33.281 --> 0:20:36.080
<v Speaker 3>had worked with Jarvis, and that Jarvis had been quote

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<v Speaker 3>bragging that he knows who killed Nina Ingram and that

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<v Speaker 3>he thinks it's funny that the police do not have

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<v Speaker 3>any leads end quote, and.

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<v Speaker 1>There was something else.

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<v Speaker 3>Robin told police that Jarvis told her that Nina stood

0:20:50.241 --> 0:20:53.321
<v Speaker 3>him up for a date one time and it angered him.

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<v Speaker 3>It does appear as though, according to the civil lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 3>the police did some investigative work on this lead. They

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<v Speaker 3>generated Google map printouts of both of Jarvis's residence from

0:21:04.361 --> 0:21:06.961
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and two to two thousand and six. They

0:21:07.041 --> 0:21:11.521
<v Speaker 3>found that both residences were within walking distance of Nina's

0:21:11.521 --> 0:21:16.161
<v Speaker 3>apartment complex the law coaud apartments. As Rico's civil lawsuit

0:21:16.201 --> 0:21:19.961
<v Speaker 3>was gearing up, his attorneys claimed to have interviewed several

0:21:20.001 --> 0:21:22.121
<v Speaker 3>people who had worked at Walmart at the same time

0:21:22.161 --> 0:21:26.561
<v Speaker 3>as Jarvis, who quote reported very similar and disturbing tales

0:21:26.601 --> 0:21:31.561
<v Speaker 3>about his bizarre and frightening, threatening, stalking, controlling, and harassing behavior,

0:21:31.961 --> 0:21:35.241
<v Speaker 3>and especially towards those women whom he may have felt

0:21:35.241 --> 0:21:38.321
<v Speaker 3>had somehow rejected or wronged him in some form or

0:21:38.321 --> 0:21:43.321
<v Speaker 3>fashion end quote. The attorneys also talked to Robin, Jarvis's

0:21:43.361 --> 0:21:46.920
<v Speaker 3>co worker, who talked to police in twenty ten. She

0:21:47.201 --> 0:21:51.080
<v Speaker 3>told Rico's legal team that Jarvis always gave her the

0:21:51.121 --> 0:21:55.401
<v Speaker 3>creeps that Jarvis had reportedly stalked another employee. This woman

0:21:55.641 --> 0:21:58.161
<v Speaker 3>is named in the lawsuit, but were not naming her here,

0:21:58.761 --> 0:22:02.001
<v Speaker 3>so Rico's legal team located this woman and interviewed her,

0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.681
<v Speaker 3>and also talked to the father of an employee who

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<v Speaker 3>had been a miner who had worked at the Sixth

0:22:07.001 --> 0:22:11.561
<v Speaker 3>Street Walmart store. This father apparently had threatened criminal charges

0:22:11.601 --> 0:22:16.361
<v Speaker 3>against Jarvis over alleged stalking behavior toward his daughter. Robin

0:22:16.561 --> 0:22:20.281
<v Speaker 3>had also told police that she remembered Jarvis missing work

0:22:20.401 --> 0:22:23.801
<v Speaker 3>the day after Nina's murder. She remembered this, she said,

0:22:23.921 --> 0:22:28.400
<v Speaker 3>because this was atypical for him. Again, this was confirmed

0:22:28.481 --> 0:22:31.481
<v Speaker 3>by the police request for data from Walmart that showed

0:22:31.481 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 3>that Jarvis was out of work until.

0:22:33.601 --> 0:22:34.600
<v Speaker 1>April twenty fourth.

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<v Speaker 3>The woman police spoke to who Jarvis allegedly stalked said

0:22:40.441 --> 0:22:43.681
<v Speaker 3>that there had been complaints from multiple other female associates

0:22:43.801 --> 0:22:47.441
<v Speaker 3>in the store. She said Jarvis often said, I just

0:22:47.481 --> 0:22:50.920
<v Speaker 3>take care of women. She told Rico's legal team that

0:22:50.961 --> 0:22:54.561
<v Speaker 3>on one occasion, Jarvis called her and told her it's okay,

0:22:54.681 --> 0:22:58.241
<v Speaker 3>you can sleep tonight. Then he told her he was

0:22:58.281 --> 0:23:00.840
<v Speaker 3>sitting outside her apartment and that he was going to

0:23:00.921 --> 0:23:03.080
<v Speaker 3>watch to make sure everything was okay.

0:23:04.001 --> 0:23:05.881
<v Speaker 1>She said that she called.

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<v Speaker 3>Apartment security on him on more than one occasion after

0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:13.961
<v Speaker 3>noticing him outside her residence watching her, and she stated

0:23:14.001 --> 0:23:16.041
<v Speaker 3>that Jarvis had what was known as a red file

0:23:16.201 --> 0:23:20.481
<v Speaker 3>in Walmart store records. The red file supposedly had details

0:23:20.481 --> 0:23:25.201
<v Speaker 3>of these alleged complaints from other female employees, but Rico's

0:23:25.201 --> 0:23:27.801
<v Speaker 3>attorneys were unable to get a copy of that file.

0:23:38.561 --> 0:23:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Rico Cone's civil lawsuit questioned why the twenty twelve police

0:23:42.921 --> 0:23:46.961
<v Speaker 3>case file contained no references to Detective Carlton, the lead

0:23:47.001 --> 0:23:51.281
<v Speaker 3>detective on the case, conducting a thorough investigation into Jarvis Harper.

0:23:52.201 --> 0:23:55.521
<v Speaker 3>The lawsuit stated that this quote would certainly seem to

0:23:55.561 --> 0:23:59.561
<v Speaker 3>be the most logical place to at least start end quote. Now,

0:23:59.601 --> 0:24:02.401
<v Speaker 3>obviously this is just their opinion. It's only one side

0:24:02.401 --> 0:24:04.400
<v Speaker 3>of the story, and we don't have access to the

0:24:04.401 --> 0:24:09.080
<v Speaker 3>complete case file. But I also wonder why police so

0:24:09.281 --> 0:24:12.761
<v Speaker 3>quickly moved to Rigo Cone and did not follow up

0:24:12.761 --> 0:24:16.241
<v Speaker 3>on several names from the case file. A key component

0:24:16.281 --> 0:24:19.041
<v Speaker 3>of the state's case against Rigo Cone was the fact

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:22.120
<v Speaker 3>that several days before Nina was murdered, she was cat

0:24:22.161 --> 0:24:25.880
<v Speaker 3>called by someone in her apartment complex. Detectives claim this

0:24:25.961 --> 0:24:29.241
<v Speaker 3>man was Rico, but her boyfriend Josh had.

0:24:29.161 --> 0:24:30.680
<v Speaker 1>A much more ambiguous story.

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<v Speaker 3>In last week's episode, we asked Josh about the incident

0:24:34.561 --> 0:24:37.241
<v Speaker 3>five days before Nina was murdered, the one where she

0:24:37.321 --> 0:24:39.641
<v Speaker 3>talked about someone cat calling her at her apartment.

0:24:40.281 --> 0:24:42.001
<v Speaker 1>He told us that it alarmed Nina.

0:24:42.321 --> 0:24:44.241
<v Speaker 3>She was shaken up by it, and it was the

0:24:44.281 --> 0:24:47.601
<v Speaker 3>only time she ever mentioned anyone making her uncomfortable at

0:24:47.601 --> 0:24:52.001
<v Speaker 3>her home. But in the police reports, the court documents,

0:24:52.041 --> 0:24:54.921
<v Speaker 3>and from what he told us, these kids who cat

0:24:54.961 --> 0:24:59.360
<v Speaker 3>called Nina did not resemble Rico Cone. Josh said that

0:24:59.401 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 3>the guys were younger than him, and other than that

0:25:02.001 --> 0:25:05.361
<v Speaker 3>one incident, which was brief, he doesn't remember Nina ever

0:25:05.521 --> 0:25:06.721
<v Speaker 3>talking about being stalked.

0:25:07.881 --> 0:25:11.360
<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen that any high profile. I haven't seen

0:25:11.761 --> 0:25:15.521
<v Speaker 4>the majority of the police reporting. Really her mom, Judy.

0:25:15.881 --> 0:25:18.641
<v Speaker 4>Most of my information came from her, you know, after fact,

0:25:18.681 --> 0:25:21.441
<v Speaker 4>because I just it wasn't my place to go after

0:25:21.481 --> 0:25:23.921
<v Speaker 4>that kind of information, and you know, I was trying

0:25:23.961 --> 0:25:27.041
<v Speaker 4>to support the family as much as I could. But no,

0:25:27.441 --> 0:25:29.881
<v Speaker 4>as far as being stocked in that sort of thing,

0:25:30.361 --> 0:25:33.481
<v Speaker 4>I don't recall now and didn't recall the anything that

0:25:33.521 --> 0:25:37.041
<v Speaker 4>would indicate that. And she didn't have consistent hours that

0:25:37.121 --> 0:25:40.641
<v Speaker 4>she wasn't working eight to five every day. Her work

0:25:40.681 --> 0:25:43.481
<v Speaker 4>hours varied from week to week depending on what the

0:25:43.921 --> 0:25:48.481
<v Speaker 4>needs and asset protection, where her class schedule also dictated

0:25:48.481 --> 0:25:51.841
<v Speaker 4>some of her work schedule, and then also just how

0:25:51.881 --> 0:25:55.841
<v Speaker 4>often she was at my place versus her place. There

0:25:55.881 --> 0:25:58.441
<v Speaker 4>may be you know, obviously everybody has some consistencies, but

0:25:58.481 --> 0:26:00.761
<v Speaker 4>I don't recall that there would be anything that somebody

0:26:00.761 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 4>would have picked on quickly. But I wouldn't be aware

0:26:04.281 --> 0:26:06.201
<v Speaker 4>of anybody that would have been stalking her.

0:26:07.201 --> 0:26:10.441
<v Speaker 3>Josh also said he was surprised when Rico Cone was

0:26:10.521 --> 0:26:13.920
<v Speaker 3>arrested because this was not someone he'd ever seen before.

0:26:14.921 --> 0:26:17.441
<v Speaker 3>We are still trying to narrow down the identities of

0:26:17.481 --> 0:26:20.161
<v Speaker 3>men who were talking to Nina, and one of them,

0:26:20.401 --> 0:26:23.920
<v Speaker 3>you may remember from past episodes, was someone named Joey.

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<v Speaker 4>There's the thing about where Nina was in her life

0:26:27.521 --> 0:26:30.600
<v Speaker 4>at the time. She did a lot with business school

0:26:31.041 --> 0:26:35.441
<v Speaker 4>and business classes. You know, oftentimes there's group projects, there's

0:26:35.521 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 4>group work, and there were times that she would be

0:26:37.601 --> 0:26:41.121
<v Speaker 4>interacting with a lot of different guys do that through

0:26:41.201 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 4>the work. I knew a lot of the guys she

0:26:43.001 --> 0:26:45.561
<v Speaker 4>worked with, I didn't know all of them. I recall that, yeah,

0:26:45.601 --> 0:26:47.641
<v Speaker 4>there are times that she would be talking with different

0:26:47.721 --> 0:26:51.120
<v Speaker 4>guys on through chat and stuff. But I found a

0:26:51.121 --> 0:26:53.761
<v Speaker 4>lot of it was for school, but I don't remember

0:26:53.961 --> 0:26:55.121
<v Speaker 4>a Joey specifically.

0:26:55.921 --> 0:27:00.081
<v Speaker 3>Josh told police that he remembered Nina contacting someone online

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<v Speaker 3>on April twenty first from his apartment before she left,

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<v Speaker 3>and later a text from someone named Joey was found

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<v Speaker 3>on Nina's phone. We spoke to Nina's cousin. She told

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<v Speaker 3>us that Joey was one of Nina's cousins. We asked

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<v Speaker 3>Josh about some of the names mentioned in the case file.

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<v Speaker 3>Josh said that he did not remember Freddie Hollingsworth, the

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<v Speaker 3>friend and co worker of Nina's who stopped by her

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<v Speaker 3>apartment a couple of days after the murder, who we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about a couple weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh said that.

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<v Speaker 3>He did remember police asking him briefly about Freddie Hollingsworth,

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<v Speaker 3>but again he said he didn't know Freddy, but he

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<v Speaker 3>did know Jarvis. We also asked Josh about his relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with Jarvis.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't say that was friends with Jarvis. I was

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<v Speaker 4>friendly with him, just like any kind of work acquaintance.

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<v Speaker 4>This is when I worked at the Fatal Supercenter on MLK.

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<v Speaker 4>So I worked there through college, and so I knew

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people that worked there, and so when

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<v Speaker 4>she got transferred to that store, we knew a bunch

0:27:58.761 --> 0:28:01.281
<v Speaker 4>of the same people. Well, that particular store, being a

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<v Speaker 4>college town, has a lot of college age employees, and

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<v Speaker 4>Jarvis was near our age. I would see him in the

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<v Speaker 4>break rooms and there'd be times where there'd be broader

0:28:10.521 --> 0:28:14.561
<v Speaker 4>social gatherings, friendly turns, but I wouldn't call him a friend.

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<v Speaker 4>We didn't hang out together and that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But he said he did remember police coming to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to him about Jarvis's domestic situation sometime in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was made aware of that situation. I believe

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<v Speaker 4>in twenty twelve. My interpretation of Jarvis, he was a

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<v Speaker 4>friendly guy and he would always be sociable, but then

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<v Speaker 4>he would flort with the girls, and it was very

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<v Speaker 4>obvious that he would do that. I think it was

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes that friendliness there, that poordness that he would have

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<v Speaker 4>with women, could be a little bit off pudding. He

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<v Speaker 4>did know us. I don't know why he'd say we

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<v Speaker 4>were friends, but I will tell you that during this

0:28:51.721 --> 0:28:54.001
<v Speaker 4>time around the funeral, he did it first to me,

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<v Speaker 4>got my number, called me a coupside, or texted me

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<v Speaker 4>and was like, hey, you know, if you need anything

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<v Speaker 4>and just let me know. And it did seem like

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<v Speaker 4>he was trying to insert himself into the situation more

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<v Speaker 4>than I would have expected for somebody who was on

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<v Speaker 4>the outside of it looking in. But at the time

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<v Speaker 4>I just talked it up to you, well, when you

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<v Speaker 4>have a tragic event like this that happens, people react

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<v Speaker 4>differently and in a lot of different ways to that,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I thought it was a little odd. At

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<v Speaker 4>the same time, it wasn't anything where I'm like, this

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<v Speaker 4>is strange to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Josh talked about what a kind person Nina was, how

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<v Speaker 3>full of life she was, how hard she worked, and

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<v Speaker 3>about the dreams she had.

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<v Speaker 4>She was well liked, liked her. She was very busy

0:29:46.321 --> 0:29:50.201
<v Speaker 4>with school, working full time, and was focused on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Wasn't living a risky lifestyle in any way outside of

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<v Speaker 4>an asset protection, which you know, there are thousands of

0:30:00.641 --> 0:30:03.801
<v Speaker 4>people do that and with no issues. But she didn't

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<v Speaker 4>deserve it. And I just feel for her family because

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<v Speaker 4>I know, especially Judy, I have children am now and

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<v Speaker 4>I just can't imagine going through that. We had only

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<v Speaker 4>been dating for eight nine months, and that's just a

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<v Speaker 4>very short amount of time, and I know the impact

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<v Speaker 4>that it had on me. I can't have them the

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<v Speaker 4>impact that it had on her parents, her brothers. There

0:30:29.961 --> 0:30:32.041
<v Speaker 4>was just a trategy for her family. And the fact

0:30:32.081 --> 0:30:36.681
<v Speaker 4>that they haven't been able to find anybody or convict anybody,

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<v Speaker 4>the family never got that closure.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe that Nina Ingram's case is solvable.

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<v Speaker 3>If you have any information about Nina Ingram's homicide, please

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<v Speaker 3>contact the Fayetfulee Police Department. And if you knew Nina

0:30:55.401 --> 0:30:58.001
<v Speaker 3>or worked with her, or know someone who worked with

0:30:58.041 --> 0:31:00.921
<v Speaker 3>her at the sixth Street Walmart in two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 3>please reach out to us. Don't assume that police interviews

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<v Speaker 3>have already been done, because as we've seen, there were

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people who police did not talk to

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<v Speaker 3>you in two thousand and six, and any piece of information,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter how small, could be the key to solving

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<v Speaker 3>this case. Remember, if the Viscat profile is correct, the

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<v Speaker 3>killer was someone Nina Ingram knew, and unless they're dead,

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<v Speaker 3>the killer could still be out there. I'm Catherine Townsend.

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