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Speaker 2: Pena Tillman and this is the NFL Players Second Act podcast.

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Speaker 1: I got my guy Roman Harvil Woodian today. What's up,

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Speaker 3: got a great one today.

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Speaker 2: I'm really really looking forward to this interview. Go ahead,

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, this next, gentleman. One of the most dynamic

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Speaker 2: receivers the game has ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they're an all Pro.

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Speaker 2: He's a pro bowler, played twelve years in the league

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Speaker 2: since retirement. He's a coach. He's a musician, he's an artist,

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Speaker 2: he's an author. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Andre Risen

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Speaker 2: to the.

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Speaker 4: All Right.

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Speaker 3: I would be remiss if I didn't say it, because

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Speaker 3: I I think you have a top three greatest nickname

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Speaker 3: of all time.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Andre bad Moon Rising.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how I'm from Alabama, so I grew up

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Speaker 3: watching you, a huge fan. It's an honor to actually

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Speaker 3: have you here, being in your city. You're from Detroit,

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Speaker 3: and maybe just talk about how many the great Detroit

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Speaker 3: ballers are all back here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even know that you spies, Rayln Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Drake Bell, I mean, yeah, y'all, I didn't seen already.

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Speaker 4: Man and a lot of us they have kids this play. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, and so thank you for all the flowers.

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Speaker 4: That's that's for sure, you and Rome and fans of

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Speaker 4: you guys. It's funny when you try to become a

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Speaker 4: collegiate coach. You know, there's some many stipulations in so

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Speaker 4: many small little loopholes, and even though we feel like

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Speaker 4: we got degrees in the game of football, it's really

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Speaker 4: difficult to retire and then go get a collegiate job

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Speaker 4: as a coach.

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Speaker 5: We all know the minority fact.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, you know, you feel like

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Speaker 4: you put enough time in in the game of football.

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Speaker 5: It was your occupation, so you should be able to

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Speaker 5: teach it.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not knowing everybody played coach, you know, can coach,

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Speaker 4: but we got a good thing going here instead of Michigan.

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Speaker 4: A lot of former NFL guys have come back and

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Speaker 4: given to the community, not just in Detroit, all the

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Speaker 4: way to Flint, Michigan where the great mark ingram when

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Speaker 4: won the Heisman in Alabama. You know, so when you

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Speaker 4: see things like that, you can see the trend moving.

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Speaker 1: Where you're coaching at. Put that out there too.

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Speaker 4: University of Leggo it's in gross Pointe, Michigan. We went

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Speaker 4: eight to one last year, lost in the first first

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Speaker 5: I got some great kids.

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Speaker 4: It's a private school, so it's a little bit for pulling,

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Speaker 4: you know, just natural born talent out. And so I

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Speaker 4: think we did a great job with the kids that

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Speaker 4: we have. Got some scholarships in the first year. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: got some offers, just some returning kids, and you know,

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Speaker 4: that's what that's what the whole goal is, to help

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Speaker 4: help these families take that initial next step.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I know, for me, my draft story it was

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Speaker 2: was amazing.

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Speaker 1: I was very low key. I know your draft story

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Speaker 1: you were low key back at the crib.

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Speaker 2: I think yours is a little a little different, you know,

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Speaker 2: I was at the crib and like a tank top

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Speaker 2: and I was like, my little low key party yours

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Speaker 2: took a little bit of a turn. Can you explain

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Speaker 2: because I know it was. It kind of got a

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: At first, I didn't Actually I didn't know what sport

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Speaker 4: I was gonna play. Okay, because I had ambitions to

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Speaker 4: playing basketball, I went originally went to college to play basketball.

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Speaker 4: I played basketball in Michigan State. I ran track at

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Speaker 4: Michigan State. I played football, and so when it came

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Speaker 4: my agent and I were talking and he was like, look,

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Speaker 4: we just need to focus on football. And so I

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Speaker 4: And I wasn't even on the chart, dudes, I wasn't

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Speaker 4: nowhere on the charts because we didn't throw the ball

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Speaker 4: at Michigan State. We had a great running back from

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Speaker 4: Lorenzo White, yep, and so they had all these receivers

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Speaker 4: pegged on top of me. And so I played two

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Speaker 4: my last two games going into my senior year. We

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Speaker 4: played the last two games, I scored like seven or

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Speaker 4: eight touchdowns and the gatorball between the Gator Bowl and

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Speaker 4: the Hula ball. So I catapuled like a probability of

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Speaker 4: a first round, second round, right, And so draft Day

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Speaker 4: comes and I'm sitting there and the phone rings and

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Speaker 4: it's Detroit Lions and they said, hey, half our staff

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Speaker 4: Andre ridden. And they didn't go wrong. I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: they didn't go wrong, but they wouldn't have went wrong

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Speaker 4: with myself either, you know. So I ended up sliding

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Speaker 4: from the number two possible pick all the way to

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Speaker 4: the twenty second pick, still first round, but as we know,

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Speaker 4: that's a different value and the running and everything, you know.

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Speaker 4: And so I came out with a little probably the

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Speaker 4: same bite as you did, you guys did. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: came out with the same type of you know, I

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Speaker 4: need to prove myself. And it actually helped me throughout

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Speaker 4: my career because I started off with the Indianapolis coach,

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Speaker 4: got drafted first round, and then I was traded the

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Speaker 4: proceeding year. But the number one pick overall, it sounds flattering.

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Speaker 4: But when you're twenty one, twenty two years old, and

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Speaker 4: you feel like you just played, you know, balls out,

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Speaker 4: you just both bought a house in Indianapolis, your set,

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Speaker 4: you feel like you made the All Rookie team. You're

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Speaker 4: going to be there, second leading receiver on the team.

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Speaker 4: And I jumped to my current draft there and took

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Speaker 4: off and I hit it up the East Lansing my

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Speaker 4: alumni and alm My Martyr and I'm gonna have a

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Speaker 4: draft party and everything. I get about halfway and I

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Speaker 4: get a phone call. You guys are maybe too young.

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Speaker 4: We used to have phones in the middle.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know I didn't have one, but I

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Speaker 3: Mean, well, let's go tell me the whole thing then,

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Speaker 3: Like what kind of car was you riding in? Because

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Speaker 3: not every car just had the phone in the middle. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you tell me that part too.

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Speaker 5: I was on that Bobby Brown stuff back in the day.

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Speaker 4: I had that five sixty sec hard five sixes the

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Speaker 4: whole class. Dion Sanders had one, Roderick Thomas had one. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Derek Thomas had one, and my little butt had one.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. And so I'm headed back. Man,

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Speaker 5: the phone ring.

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Speaker 4: I answered it and it's my mom and she says, hey,

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Speaker 4: where are you. I said, I'm on the highway. I'm

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Speaker 4: headed at the East Lansing. She said, I said that.

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Speaker 4: She said the draft started. I said the draft started, right.

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Speaker 4: She said yeah. She said you need to turn around

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Speaker 4: and I said why and she said, because I said

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Speaker 4: the draft started, right. She said, yeah, you need to

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Speaker 4: turn around. I'm like, what And I'm thinking the worst.

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking a member of the family that died or something.

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Speaker 4: And she says, you just got traded. I said, how

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Speaker 4: I get traded and the draft just started? She said,

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Speaker 4: you got traded with the number one pick, first pick overall.

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Speaker 5: And it was for Jeff George.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And I was like, I'm not going.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know anything about the South, you know, I'm

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Speaker 4: And she says, boy, over the phone, You're going wherever

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Speaker 4: they signed.

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Speaker 5: That check at.

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Speaker 4: And so that's the history of the story, and the

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Speaker 4: rest was history.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: I ended up going to the city of Atlanta, and

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Speaker 4: you know, they embraced me with open arms and I

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Speaker 4: was able to play.

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Speaker 5: You know, I was staying in football for that city.

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Speaker 5: And at the organization.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel in that moment when your mom

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Speaker 2: told you got traded after having such an amazing first year?

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Speaker 1: Eventually, how are you feeling?

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Speaker 5: I was hurt. I was hurt.

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Speaker 4: I felt like I needed to find out what I

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Speaker 4: had did wrong. Yeah, you know, never been cut before,

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Speaker 4: It never been traded before, because you know, you fresh

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Speaker 4: And it's funny, I played in the locker room full

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Speaker 4: seventy percent of our teammates as a rookie, they had

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Speaker 4: second jobs. And so those guys were like big brothers

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Speaker 4: to me, beyond friends because I learned the game outside

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Speaker 4: the urses, none of the Indianapolis Coats owners, never seen them,

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Speaker 4: never talk to him to this day, and it kind

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Speaker 4: of hurt, But then it gave me the bite I

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Speaker 4: needed to go against guys like yourself.

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Speaker 3: So would you if you could talk to Jim RS,

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Speaker 3: would you thank him today?

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Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't him that made it. I think it

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Speaker 1: was a father that made the trade, but.

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Speaker 4: I don't know which one made it. I think the

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Speaker 4: one was, like, you know, very active, like Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: And I've never I.

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Speaker 4: Never got a chance an opportunity to say anything to

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Speaker 4: those guys. I've never And I played one time after

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Speaker 4: I left. I played the coach one time, and I

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Speaker 4: used to look on the schedule.

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Speaker 5: I ain't lying. I used to look on the schedule

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Speaker 5: like most people do.

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Speaker 4: When we played, when we played these emos, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying, When we played these emos and never

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Speaker 4: played against him. And then finally in my last year

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Speaker 4: in my career, I played everybody that I was a

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Speaker 4: part of the organization prior to playing for the Raiders,

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Speaker 4: and it was like what they call it nowadays, the tour,

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Speaker 4: the tour when the player goes on.

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Speaker 1: The tour like stairwell.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it wasn't a fair It was straight to revenge.

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Speaker 5: It was straight revenge. But man, I had an awesome career.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, the city of Atlanta, That's why I'm

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Speaker 4: here today at the NFL Draft twenty twenty four because

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Speaker 4: of the Falcons organization. Yeah, you know, allowing me to

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Speaker 4: go out and announce the picks second round and third Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I think Peanut asked a great question, but about

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Speaker 3: your draft day experience.

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Speaker 1: But I want to know about the night before.

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Speaker 5: Oh, y'all seen the movie.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about the night before.

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Speaker 5: It don't work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like that, But Rome, every I think everyone knowing,

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Speaker 4: I celebrated, and when I celebrated, our teammates we walked

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Speaker 4: Andre Rison. But they got nicknames prime Time, you know,

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Speaker 4: the club, we got the DJs. I can play your

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know you guys own clubs. That's new information.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the Wikipedia page.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Well, you know the thing is, they'll never

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Speaker 1: Yeah. What kind of influence has Deanne had on your life?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Major? I say major.

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Speaker 4: I think we both have had very influential moments with

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Speaker 4: of like.

440
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 5: Encouragement to like, look, man, be you.

441
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 4: If you feel like you're the greatest of play, be

442
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 4: the greatest, don't back down from it. Let's be pros

443
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 4: at it. Though he was always a pro, and that's

444
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 4: what people don't realize. The guy was always a pro.

445
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 4: And so I was more street driven, I was more edgy,

446
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 4: So being with him kind of curved that. I think

447
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 4: we both were godly guys. I think we both believed

448
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 4: in the Lord at a high level, respected it. And

449
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 4: then the business side of it. Mindes was more brash.

450
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 4: His was more that the people work for you, and

451
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 4: so you know, we picked and choose what we would

452
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 4: take from each other. And then it's funny when we

453
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 4: got into the music and I was I'm actually like

454
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 4: like Peanuts said, I'm I'm a musician. And he beat

455
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 4: me to putting out an album. He put an album

456
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 4: out a single at least, you know, money must be

457
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 4: the money. But that's showing you though, somebody that's not

458
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 4: scared to fail. And I think we both like brought

459
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 4: that to each other, like, look, let's try to be

460
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 4: the best we can ever be even if we fail.

461
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 5: And he's doing that now at Colorado.

462
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 3: So you got you talked about the influence that Dion

463
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: Maya had on your life or whatever. I want to

464
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 3: know who and tell me if it's true or not

465
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 3: or is it just a rumor? In either way, it's

466
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: can stay in this room, but it's probably not right.

467
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: But who influenced too? Uh? If you guys are roommates

468
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: and who overslept in Houston.

469
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 5: Y'all you know what.

470
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 4: You guys are really good, y'all digging information like you know,

471
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna give shots out to other guys about

472
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 4: their podcast on this podcast. You know what I'm saying,

473
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 4: You guys dig some good information. Whose fun was it

474
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 4: that that night? It might have been prime, that night

475
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 4: would have been think come think of it, you know,

476
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 4: and I'll tell you that was so funny. We man,

477
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 4: we woke up.

478
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: We got you.

479
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you guys, you got it, you got it.

480
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:54,959
Speaker 5: We woke up.

481
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 4: Bus gone, Bus one gone, bus two going, and I

482
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 4: know you guys know.

483
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 3: O bust three, last one out, Bus three, last one out, right.

484
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 5: He normally catches either he's no later than the second bus.

485
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 4: He'll catch that first bus because he'll go over get

486
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 4: all this whatever.

487
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,239
Speaker 5: He got his mojo going. You know.

488
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 4: You walk in the locker room and Primes Dion has

489
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 4: this whole outfit laid out. Yeah, with the shoes, the

490
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 4: whole outfit, the whole nine like somebody's in it already.

491
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 4: He had an iPad before people knew what iPads were.

492
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 4: He was already breaking the receivers down on game day

493
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 4: to get actual game day he would be breaking them

494
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 4: down so he would leave a little earlier. I was

495
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 4: on those special teams, so I would leave on the

496
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 4: last bus. And really I used to be nervous. I

497
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 4: used to be nervous a lot because I know I

498
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 4: had to take hits. I knew I had to get tackled,

499
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 4: so I would go on the last bus. But for

500
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 4: some reason, he was the last couple of weeks, several weeks,

501
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 4: he's been going on the last bus, you know, be

502
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 4: hanging out on the last bus. So I'm like, dude,

503
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 4: I cut it like right to the inch, you know,

504
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 4: And so fine, larm's going off. Fine, fine, I look

505
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 4: at it. I look at the clock. Oh man, they

506
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: didn't move time back ahead. They moved time ahead or whatever. Right,

507
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 4: I ain't paying no mind.

508
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 5: So he asked me, what time is it? Oh man,

509
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 5: it's seven eight thirty. So we got time.

510
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 4: We got time, but it really was nine thirty, ten thirty, right,

511
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 4: all the busses are gone, so me and him got

512
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 4: to jump in the cab and get in the regular

513
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 4: traffic of fans coming into the game. So now we're

514
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: boiling down to like forty five minutes before kickoff.

515
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 5: We're still in the cab.

516
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: We're still in the cap, still in the cap, It's

517
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: forty five minutes before kickoff.

518
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 5: We look at each other, We're like, dude, we got

519
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 5: to get out this cab and run.

520
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: So we got out the cab.

521
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 2: Bags and all suiting off, suiting off, and ran at

522
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: least at least a half a mile to get up

523
00:25:59,520 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: in there.

524
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 4: And so we get up in there, both sweating like hogs.

525
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 4: And the first thing the coach say is he's like,

526
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 4: where you guys been? And then it just got quiet.

527
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 4: Now coach was Jerry Glanville, So we might.

528
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 5: Get away with it.

529
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: We might not, you know.

530
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 4: He's like, what's going on? And then Prime said, Drea

531
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 4: Tael you, Drea Tael you, Drea Tael you. And so

532
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: I think that's why I ended up with the butt

533
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 4: of the story. You know, Drea tell you, Drea tell you.

534
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 4: But long story short, he says, don't worry about you.

535
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 4: Better play the best game of your life, right, And

536
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 4: so he said, you better play the best game of

537
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: your life. And so, uh, I hadn't caught a pass

538
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 4: the whole game, he hadn't had an interception the whole game.

539
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 4: I don't even think he made a tackle. And so

540
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 4: they finally punted. He takes it all the way to

541
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: the house.

542
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 5: So I'm not the only one.

543
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 4: Still hadn't done anything right, So I'm like, they take

544
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 4: me out the game.

545
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 5: I just know I'm about to get fine. I ain't

546
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 5: gonna tell you all what that fine was.

547
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: It's all good. I'm just glad we figured out that figure.

548
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: So it was okay, I'll take far for it, I'll

549
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 4: take fun, I'll take the higher road.

550
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 5: How about that?

551
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: Hey man, that's a good that's a good fall guy.

552
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: I like that. We'll be back in a minute.

553
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: What I'm curious is what you do in the three

554
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: years between the NFL and then when you went to

555
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: the CFL.

556
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 5: Oh man, Now that was a trip. I love the CFL. Yeah,

557
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 5: it was. I became a world champion over yeah.

558
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

559
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: Toronto was the one I've been a one CFL game

560
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: and that's the one game I went to. Actually, I

561
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: went to Toronto organized game. Michael Bishop was.

562
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 4: Bishop boy, big boy, yeah, state a good good friend

563
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 4: of mine. I went and the organization were in transition

564
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 4: of moving to a building.

565
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

566
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 4: So when I got there, they were working out of units.

567
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: So I asked myself, I asked God to what kind

568
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: of units, like like elementary units, like units sitting on bricks, like.

569
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 5: Oh, like trailers working trailers. They're working out the trailers.

570
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 4: I went over there and won a championship, and next

571
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 4: year they asked me to come back, but they asked

572
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 4: me to come back as a player coach, and so

573
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 4: I had no problem with no problem with it. But

574
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 4: when I got over there, the game was different.

575
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 5: The field was much wider. So my first day of practice,

576
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 5: they put me.

577
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 4: In the slot and so I was standing still and

578
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 4: the other receivers were coming down, running.

579
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: Running toward the line of Segia line.

580
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, And so I'm like, okay, I'm cool with it.

581
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 4: Like for the first two days, I'm show them that

582
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 4: I can get out and still run and all this

583
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 4: good stuff.

584
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 5: Right man.

585
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 4: I went and watched film and I'm like them guys

586
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 4: were like leaving me like this, right, And so I

587
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: went and asked the coach. I said, hey, how about

588
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 4: moving the old guy in the back so I can

589
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 4: have the head.

590
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 5: Start and I can get the running start. Right. So

591
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 5: that was my first route. That was my first change

592
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 5: in the game.

593
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: Welcome to Welcome to the c.

594
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, well to the CFL. Moment right. And then my

595
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 4: second one was after that practice. I'm getting dressed and

596
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: I'm about to leave practice, and they're like, teammates of mine, like,

597
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 4: meet me in the parking lot.

598
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 5: I might meet you in the parking lot. Me in

599
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 5: the parking lot.

600
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: They like, We're gonna meet in the parking lot, and

601
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 4: then we're gonna go back to our apartment.

602
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 5: Barbecue, team coming.

603
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 4: Over, all good things, and we're gonna play some video

604
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: games and Madden and all this stuff and you can

605
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 4: get a chance to meet your teammates and fratnize. I say, okay, cool,

606
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 4: So I go to the parking lot. When I walk

607
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: up in the parking lot, it's like a cannabis fest.

608
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 4: And at that time, I was still was trying to

609
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: get back in the league and go to a contender

610
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: to win another Super Bowl. So I'm not trying to

611
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 4: get it no trouble. I don't want to be around

612
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: nobody that's doing wrong. My whole team in there is smoking,

613
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: bud dude, chilling, Hey, bad moods.

614
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 5: Man. We so glad that have you.

615
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm like what.

616
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 5: I'm like, what is this?

617
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 4: And then I seen the cars, right, and so I've

618
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: seen the cars at the facility, and I'm like, man,

619
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 4: I've seen that car. I seen and if I can recall,

620
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 4: somebody said that's a coach's car, right, And so I said, okay,

621
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: that's a coach's car. Well, what is the coaches car

622
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 4: doing over my teammates apartment?

623
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 5: Man?

624
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: I walk in the kitchen coaching there season in the meat. Man,

625
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 4: we so glad to have you. You know what I'm saying.

626
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 4: Can you imagine that in the NFL?

627
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't. You couldn't, right, I couldn't.

628
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 5: You could And our record at that time was like

629
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 5: four and eight. We were losing record, right, yeah.

630
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 4: And so I'm sitting there and I'm contemplating on cutting

631
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: the television off and pulling the plug out of the

632
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: video game. And it's about twenty of us in there,

633
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 4: because I'm going to hold court.

634
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: You about to get them? Right?

635
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

636
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, this ain't it.

637
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 5: This ain't it.

638
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 4: I sat there for about five minutes. I looked around

639
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 4: and started sizing them up. If they jumped me, I said, well,

640
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 4: they jump me. They jumped me. I went over there

641
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 4: and unplugged the TV boom and they just got total silent.

642
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 4: I said, nobody got no film I said, we didn't

643
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: want a game in two three weeks. I said, nobody

644
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 4: got no film. I said, y'all, I said, y'all can smoke,

645
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: But why don't we smoke till we get five hundred?

646
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 5: And we won. We didn't lose a game, and we

647
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 5: end up winning the world title. Yeah, and we end

648
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 5: up winning the world title. Yeah. And super great experience

649
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 5: for me.

650
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: And that's what propelled me and the coaching, and I've

651
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 4: been coaching since, coaching and mentorings ever.

652
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: Since you moved changed everything.

653
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that moment changed everything.

654
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: You move.

655
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: Guys, I want to see I want to know your

656
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: own opinion. And sometimes it's hard to look at ourselves

657
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: in the mirror and give us well, I think sometimes

658
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: we give us as the most honest answer, we look

659
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: ourselves in the mirror. So I'm gonna put a mirror

660
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: in front of you right now and ask you this

661
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: is it fair to say or comparison that you're the

662
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: Allen Iverson of football, kind of like the bad boy

663
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: and a little bit more brash, you know. Yeah, And

664
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: it's also has something to do with the dress, the

665
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: Atlanta like all these other things.

666
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, Alan is like my little brother I love him

667
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 5: to death.

668
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 4: I'm so proud of him, so proud of what Reebok

669
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: did for him. I'm so proud of what Philadelphia did

670
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: for him. The seventy six ers. Yeah, I think it's

671
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: well overdue. But is their comparisons most definitely. At first

672
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: I used to get Dennis Rodman, and that was because

673
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: of all the tattoos, because nobody was running around the

674
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 4: NFL with tattoos and.

675
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 5: You doing this. But I'm winning. Yeah, I'm winning and

676
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 5: I'm not bothering nobody.

677
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm winning. I'm playing at a high level. I

678
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 4: feel like I'm the greatest to play this position. Still

679
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 4: to this day, everybody wants to say, oh, that guy

680
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 4: is because why because he's six whatever. Nah, they don't

681
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 4: go like that. So if you want to say Jerry

682
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: Wright's okay, that's cool. But I feel like I'm the

683
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: best to ever played the game. And in saying that,

684
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 4: you're like, okay, well, I feel like I should have

685
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 4: been the first Battle of Hall of Fame. I retired

686
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: top five all time in almost every category.

687
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

688
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 5: So then you ask yourself with that mirror, are you

689
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 5: a bad person?

690
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: Are you?

691
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 5: Are you?

692
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: You start trying to finagle through what could possibly be

693
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 4: the negatives?

694
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 5: What is wrong with you? And so I could we

695
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 5: all be better people? Yeah?

696
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 4: But have I done anything to warrant this denial? I hadn't.

697
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 4: I didn't burn my own house up, I didn't opim.

698
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 4: Did I make the mistakes wherever I made the mistake,

699
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: I ad met right and I believe Allen did that,

700
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 4: you know, And.

701
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 5: The comparison is a great comparison.

702
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: I would also say.

703
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: How I mean, And I don't think it's all the

704
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: way you until you talked about earlier, how you were

705
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: able to control the music industy, industry. But it's also

706
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: this hip hop culture all of a sudden invaded football before, Yes,

707
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: when nobody ever really thought about it, the same way

708
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: when Alan Iverson's wearing jerseys throwbacks on the sidelines when

709
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: nobody has seen that in the NBA before. Either changed

710
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: the whole game and everybody changed the game. And it's

711
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 3: just the game wasn't ready. And now you look up and.

712
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 4: Remember Edrin James had to go through the issues about

713
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 4: his hair, yes, and he couldn't get no commercials, but

714
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 4: Paula Moore got the commercial. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

715
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 4: So it's like it's tricks and trades to it. I've

716
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 4: seen the game.

717
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 5: Evolve a long way.

718
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: From a long way. Am I happy where the game is?

719
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 4: I love today's game. But then when we get to

720
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 4: talking about behind it, behind the scenes, the cbas and

721
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: collect the bargain agreements and stuff like that, I think

722
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 4: this generation has no clue what past we paid for them.

723
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: I really feel they really are uneducated on what we

724
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: did for them, you know. And we know what the

725
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 4: players prior to us did for us, you know. And

726
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: so I believe if we can some kind of way

727
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 4: keep pushing it and keep pushing it, and keep pushing

728
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 4: it to this generation of an NFL player knows what

729
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: we sacrificed and what we did for them to be

730
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 4: able to go on the stage and be able to

731
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 4: change their families, lives and their lives.

732
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 5: You know.

733
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: I think that that right there would be my main

734
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 4: goal if I could.

735
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: Ask you your opinion, how do we do that?

736
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 5: Though?

737
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: Because I don't have the answer.

738
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 5: I don't know.

739
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: But you work with more young people than I do.

740
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 5: I think.

741
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 4: I see I think seeing maturations of elite athletes from

742
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 4: the Yay days bringing them to the forefront of right

743
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 4: now in the present, old and young. Like when you

744
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 4: see Alan Iverson being commended for his his his his

745
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 4: stripes and his efforts in the game of basketball, not

746
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 4: just for the seventy six ers. He changed the culture

747
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 4: of basketball. He changed the culture. I feel like I

748
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 4: changed the culture of football, you know what I'm saying.

749
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 4: And so when these guys.

750
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 5: Run around.

751
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: And they have swagged, the confidence is booming outside their helmet.

752
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: We didn't. We didn't come from that. We brought that

753
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: to the table.

754
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 5: Dion Sanders and Andre Risen.

755
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 4: Brought something to the table had been brought to the

756
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: table the first the minks, the jewelry, the clothes. I

757
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 4: believe that was there because I've watched old film, I

758
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: watched old tapes. Those guys dress well, right, but they

759
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 4: didn't make the money we made, right. So now here

760
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 4: we come, we dress how we want. We dressed well

761
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: and prime and I always dress well because I looked

762
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 4: up to Michael Jordan. He's always in and he was

763
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: always in a suit. So pretty much predominantly I was

764
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 4: in a suit. But when I get off of work,

765
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 4: I'm in Atlanta, I'm not gonna wear a suit. Twenty

766
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 4: four to seven. So when other players would come to town

767
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 4: and see how we really got down from a fashion

768
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 4: and everything included, it kind of like melted to other programs,

769
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 4: other organizations and other players. You know, in the off season.

770
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: They want to come to Atlanta. They did, They want

771
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 4: to come to Atlanta.

772
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: They still want to go to Atlanta.

773
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 4: They still want to come to Atlanta. Fast cars, all right,

774
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 4: and everything that comes with the fast cars, no doubt,

775
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 4: everything that comes.

776
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 5: You know.

777
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 4: And I know for a fact we set the tone

778
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 4: in that. I know for a fact we set the tone,

779
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 4: you know. And I was fortunate to go to a

780
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 4: city where I was embraced and I was loved by

781
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 4: the community. So I know how my fashion rubbed off

782
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 4: on people. And I think I've seen an interview, just

783
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 4: get off this real quick. I've seen an interview with

784
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 4: Jermaine dupri and he said he was wearing gloves and

785
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 4: his videos because he watched Dion Sanders wear gloves and

786
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 4: hip hop had crossed over.

787
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, hip hop and football had crossed over. And so

788
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 5: do I feel like I'm a pioneer? Damn right? Yeah,

789
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 5: most definitely.

790
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that.

791
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 5: I like that.

792
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: I want to know about it. A little bit. Let's

793
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about retirement.

794
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: When I first got out, I got right into the

795
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: broadcasting world room, took a whole year off, sixty five,

796
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: took a whole year off, didn't do nothing, didn't watch

797
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: his kids, didn't do he didn't shave.

798
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: Just was a.

799
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: Bum've been there the best bumps in the world, though they.

800
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: Were more doug.

801
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: I am kind of exaggerating. Let me let me throw

802
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: that out there to the camera. I am exaggerating. He

803
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: was with his kids. I'm totally making it up. But

804
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: what I want to know is what did you do

805
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: or what were those first couple of years like when

806
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: you retired and being away from football, how was that

807
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: for you?

808
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 4: Mentally being truthful pee, now that I can speak back

809
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 4: on it, Yeah, that was the first initial of admittance too,

810
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: if that's a word, I think.

811
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 5: That's the word.

812
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: But you said, you said it was you good.

813
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 5: Depression. Yeah, uh, at full height.

814
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: You know, I've seen this comment after we won the

815
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: Super Bowl and Brett had made this comment bred far

816
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 4: my Super Bowl winter quarterback. After we won the Super Bowl,

817
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 4: they asked me how he felt. They said, I was

818
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 4: at a high and then it was instantly right back

819
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 4: to low. And I never forgot that. And so when

820
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 4: I retired in that first year, first several when I retired,

821
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 4: I would catch myself feeling good. You know, I had

822
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 4: a hell of a career. I believe I'm going to

823
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. I was able to help my mom,

824
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 4: help my family, help minis of others. And then all

825
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I would just go flat. I was

826
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 4: flat line, like I'm done, Like I'm done with my

827
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: professional career. What do I move on the next? I

828
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 4: know I'm smart, No, I'm intelligent. No, I can go

829
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 4: work anywhere in the world. But I didn't have to

830
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: get up. I didn't have the I got to go

831
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 4: to training camp. I gotta get ready for preseason. I

832
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 4: got to get ready for the season. Then I got

833
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 4: to get ready for the playoffs, and then I got

834
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 4: to get ready to be the man in the Super Bowl.

835
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 5: I didn't have it. I didn't have the drive.

836
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 4: Then you started reading all the literature from the medical

837
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 4: parts and the medical ailments that's supposed to come with

838
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 4: the game of football, and so I would wait on

839
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 4: them to come. Rather, it was anxiety, whether it was depression,

840
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 4: whether it was the mental aspect of it. And I'm

841
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 4: glad it came within those first several years because I

842
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: found out how to beat them. I found out how

843
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: to deal with them, and then I found out how

844
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 4: to beat them. And then God gave me this beautiful

845
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 4: lady in my life, my wife, and that's when I

846
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 4: was able to be come andre and I'm so thankful

847
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: for her, so thankful. But them first years, Ah, even

848
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 4: to now, when it comes, you know, we could we

849
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 4: could be at the height of the day and that

850
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: depression will come at the oddest times. You could be

851
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 4: in church and it'll come, you know, and you just

852
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 4: gotta dissolve it, you know. And I hear other players

853
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 4: I talked, I do a lot of mental health awareness.

854
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 4: I'm on the I'm on the Hall of Fame Mental

855
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 4: NFL Hall of Fame Mental Health Board. I'm on that

856
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 4: and proud to be on that with Calvin Johnson, Braylen Netwards.

857
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 4: Our company is called SMA. We do a lot of

858
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 4: a lot of speech and talks and fundraisers of that

859
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 4: sort to bring mental health awareness, you know, not to

860
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 4: just football players, but to the whole whole world.

861
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

862
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: Braylan talked about that earlier did really great insights on

863
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: Like we always talked about the physical, but.

864
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: The mental part part is huge.

865
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 3: Yes, not just in sports, but in every aspect for

866
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: everybody really just always checking in and doing those things.

867
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: Well, you've got to take care of our kids. Yeah,

868
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: and when you find yourself, you know, you don't have

869
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: to touch them, you don't have to curse them. And

870
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 4: you still could be abusive. You could be abusive in

871
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 4: your demeanor matter and you don't never, ever ever want

872
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 4: to do that. And so when I had my four girl,

873
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 4: we had our four girls, I knew guy was talking

874
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 4: to me then he was telling me like, look, you

875
00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 4: gotta be that guy.

876
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 5: This has nothing to do with football.

877
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 4: No touchdown, no catches. Don't even think about the Hall

878
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 4: of fame. Think about your wife and your kids.

879
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been winning.

880
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be back.

881
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 5: In a minute.

882
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: You've dealt with some trauma, like growing up, growing up

883
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: in Flint, it's been tough you being the you know,

884
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 3: the the main male in your household into your mother

885
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: remarried the stepfather, which I heard an interview on flat TV.

886
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 3: You were like, dude, it took so much stress off

887
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: me like I.

888
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: No longer had to be like the man.

889
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 5: You know.

890
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: It was like you relax, Oh my god, man, and.

891
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm gonna finish it.

892
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 3: And I want you to go about that because I

893
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: just I want you to show us, just continue to

894
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: shed more light on people that have had trauma. But

895
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: things happen in your life where Gods bring people, specially

896
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: into your life to really sometimes you don't recognize it.

897
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 3: You know, you talked about your wife, this beautiful lady

898
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 3: that's brought into your life.

899
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: It's really just like I get ease again.

900
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. My thing was.

901
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 4: My mom and I when you raised right, your mom

902
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: is your mom, grandma and grandma, you know. But being

903
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 4: the oldest, like you said, living in West Virginia with

904
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 4: a stepdad that you know, abusive and then he gets murdered.

905
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 4: But I had just found out how to love him. Yeah,

906
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 4: now he's gone. I don't have a real dad. I

907
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: don't even know who my dad, you know what I'm

908
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 4: saying stuff like that. So to the extent of I

909
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 4: know who my dad is, Okay, well that means that

910
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: dad wasn't around. So you're growing up in that category, right,

911
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 4: So I got to be the man. I'm ten years

912
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 4: old and I'm the oldest. Stepdad just got murdered and

913
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 4: we moved back to Michigan. So we moved back from

914
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 4: West Virginia. We moved from West Virginia back to Michigan,

915
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 4: and not one man ever came in my mama's house,

916
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 4: you know. And then when she met this one particular guy,

917
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 4: which became my stepfather, it was another blessing, super blessing

918
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 4: because he came with all the intangibles my mom needed,

919
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 4: I need it, my brother needed, my sister needed, and

920
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 4: that's all we needed, you know.

921
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 5: And we got a big family, huge family.

922
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 4: But a husband to my mom is something totally different

923
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: than a brother to my mom.

924
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 5: My mom has a.

925
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 4: Bunch of brothers, right, that's not her husband.

926
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 5: So when he came, I own eighty acres. We own

927
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 5: eighty acres.

928
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 4: So to this day, we got our own lake, got

929
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 4: three houses, two barn, studios, all this. But it's just me,

930
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 4: my mom, my brother, and sister. You need somebody up

931
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 4: in here. And so she could have picked Joe, Bob,

932
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: a Terry, and I'm so glad she picked a van,

933
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 4: you know, and he came in. He's been in our

934
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 4: lives thirty plus years and I love him to death.

935
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 5: Man, but he took the sense of security, like.

936
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 4: Just me being away and wondering if you know, hey,

937
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 4: somebody kicking in the door. They know, you know them,

938
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 4: the risings over there, ain't no man over there. You know,

939
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: let's take advantage of it. So you're always thinking that

940
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 4: part of it. You know, my mother, my sister, my brother,

941
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 4: He's still in junior high at that time, and so

942
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: that took a lot of pressure off me. Financially. I

943
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 4: kept doing what I was doing, you know, whatever I

944
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 4: was doing financially as far as helping my mom, I

945
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 4: always continue to continue to do it. That didn't change.

946
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 4: But by him being successful himself and coming in that helped.

947
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

948
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 4: By him being a real man, a real father, that helped.

949
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 4: You know, by him being studious. He was from la

950
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 4: he was from California.

951
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 5: That helped.

952
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 4: Because he wasn't from around there. He wasn't around Flint.

953
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: You don't know nobody in Flint.

954
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 5: That's cool.

955
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 4: Well, that worked right up my alley and they're together today. Well,

956
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 4: we built the house maybe three years three years ago.

957
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 4: We built the house, my wife and I and it

958
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 4: was coming off of cancer stint. My wife was diagnosed

959
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: with breast cancer three and a half years ago, and

960
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 4: I promised her, I said, Hey, if we get this,

961
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 4: we get this money, I'll build a house. If you're

962
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 4: gonna stay here, I'll build a house. And I wasn't

963
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 4: talking about staying here and staying in Michigan. I was

964
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 4: talking about staying here in life, you know, at that point.

965
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 4: And she did, Thank the Lord, she did. She beat

966
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 4: it and we immensely started building a house. We got

967
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 4: a beautiful home, built a brand new beautiful home in

968
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: ann Arburn, Michigan, and that's where we reside at. And

969
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have never did it if it wasn't for her, Yeah,

970
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I would have took that money and and

971
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 4: and and bought some crypto, a big coin something, you know,

972
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: but it wouldn't have been no, no nice matching.

973
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, for the kids.

974
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 4: And what she told me that day, it still resonates

975
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 4: with me. You need to put a house over our head.

976
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 4: That's like telling me you're gonna throw the ball to

977
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 4: me on third down.

978
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. It's third and eleven and.

979
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: We're coming to you, you know, And so I took

980
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 4: on that responsibility and I'm so glad. And I don't

981
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 4: throw the mirror up to me too much, but that's

982
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 4: one time I throw it up and be like, I'm

983
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 4: proud of you.

984
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's a big thing.

985
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm proud of you.

986
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: It's big. It's a big step. A lot of us

987
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: don't know how to do that, especially as former players.

988
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: When we look.

989
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 3: Back after our career, it's a lot of blame, for sure,

990
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 3: it's a lot of could have, should have regret. And

991
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 3: so we when you get that time or that chance

992
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: or that opportunity to take a step back and like, man,

993
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: you did.

994
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 4: Good, Yeah you did that, we don't we don't get

995
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 4: that you did good away from football.

996
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like, for the most part, that's our love language.

997
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 5: It is it really really because from.

998
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: The time he was a little shorty to you're an

999
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: adult and you you're playing football. You know, we received there.

1000
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: That's a good catch, Hey, good block, Hey that was

1001
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: a good route. Hey, good job, awesome job. Hey this

1002
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: you know, like that's that's that's what this is what

1003
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: we're accustomed to. So when football is taken away or

1004
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 2: when you remove football and you don't get that, I

1005
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: would say on a daily basis, you kind of miss it.

1006
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: But I'm like, wrong, my god, I'm glad you. I'm

1007
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: proud of you for saying that and just recognizing.

1008
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 4: You know, it's like we live in this awesome community, man,

1009
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 4: and successful people everywhere walk out the door of success

1010
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 4: across the street, down the street, next door. So our

1011
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 4: daughters are around that. Yeah, you know, my wife is successful.

1012
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 4: So I'm out cutting the grass. I see the companies

1013
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 4: that these people hire to come do landscaping. I'm doing

1014
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 4: my landscaping. I'm cutting my grass, you know. And so

1015
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 4: that right there in itself is like when I cut

1016
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 4: my line. It's like winning the Super Bowl, Like can't

1017
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 4: nobody tell me nothing, you know, Like like I'm I'm.

1018
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 5: Crazy with it.

1019
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 4: I'm almost too crazy with it, right and so it's

1020
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 4: like I want everybody know I cut my own grass,

1021
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 4: I did my own landscaping.

1022
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: Proud of I did my own Yeah, you know, I.

1023
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 5: Go scoop up my own dogs poop.

1024
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1025
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 4: I ain't calling nobody in here to because we have

1026
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 4: been catered to our whole life, playing that professional life,

1027
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 4: you know, and do I stick to the core of

1028
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 4: it though, as far as our teneraries that we've grown

1029
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 4: accustomed to the being on time.

1030
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, but ain't nothing like being retired.

1031
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 3: Man.

1032
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna lie when I tell people to this day.

1033
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 4: When I say hey, they say, hey, how you doing it?

1034
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 4: Dah da dah. They look at my size first, and

1035
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 4: there's no way this guy this size can have more

1036
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 4: touchdowns to Mike Irvan and Calvin Johnson, No way, all right,

1037
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: but I do.

1038
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 5: So this is what I tell him.

1039
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 4: Once I've been retired twenty four years, they give me

1040
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 4: the illus evil look like they mad because I've been

1041
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 4: retired twenty four years and I still.

1042
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 5: Look like this.

1043
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it ain't got nothing to do with

1044
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: the retirement. It's got to do with the element of

1045
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 4: graduating to maturity. Yeah, I've matured. Not that we weren't

1046
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 4: mature when we were playing, but we have so much

1047
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 4: on our plate while we're playing. Where do you have

1048
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 4: time to mature? I swear when these guys get in

1049
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 4: trouble in the National Football League in today's time, I

1050
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 4: kind of like can rock with them until they get

1051
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 4: in my face to let them know, like straight up,

1052
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 4: this is what you're doing. This is what you don't do.

1053
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 4: And all them cats that you hang with and used

1054
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 4: to hang with, when it's over, you ain't gonna be

1055
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 4: hanging with them, and they're not gonna be around.

1056
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 5: I know you guys will know well as I know.

1057
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 4: And if the money get low, they definitely gonna be

1058
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 4: They definitely ain't gonna be there. Deuces, they definitely not

1059
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: gonna be there if you if you need a loan,

1060
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 4: they're not gonna be there.

1061
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 5: If you need some help.

1062
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 4: The only help you're gonna get is the help I

1063
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 4: love that I got and that was from my family

1064
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 4: as far as the mental part of it, my sister,

1065
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 4: my mom, my brother, Hey man, you need you need to. Okay,

1066
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 4: you're doing all right well to a certain extent that

1067
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 4: I die. But when my wife came in, it really

1068
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 4: solidified the whole full circle. Yeah, of retirement, I got

1069
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 4: my wife, I got my best friend. Now we built

1070
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 4: this family. I ain't trying to like become adjacent.

1071
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: You know.

1072
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 4: I'm proud that I played in the National Football League.

1073
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 4: I'm very honored to have that opportunity because if it

1074
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 4: wasn't a National Football League, a lot of black athletes

1075
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 4: wouldn't have been able to change communities across the country.

1076
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, very true.

1077
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so we'll go to a I got

1078
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 2: a non football question for you. You know, we we're

1079
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: in your home state. I was able to go to

1080
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: and excuse me, not Atlanta. I was able to play

1081
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 2: in Chicago for the bocal my career, and then I

1082
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: went to Carolina with this clown over here. From here,

1083
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: made a great name for yourself. Then you go to Atlanta,

1084
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: make a great name for yourself. Off there, What city

1085
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 2: do you claim more Flint, Minnesota?

1086
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 4: You know, blamee Blaine, Misa. That's where my wife from you,

1087
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 4: So let me get that off first. Blame brain brand New.

1088
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 4: But you know I've I've always said, you know, going

1089
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 4: and raised in Flint. Yeah, that's what gave me, going

1090
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 4: and raised in Flint, That's what gave me my my bite. Yeah,

1091
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 4: you know, Atlanta will always be from head to toe

1092
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 4: with me. I think I did a shout out to

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00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 4: them the other day, earlier today. I'm sorry, earlier today,

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00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 4: I gave a shout out for the NFL Draft, the

1095
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 4: whole city Atlanta riding with me. They gave me a

1096
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: gave me a uh, it ain't a it ain't a birthday,

1097
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 4: but it's a it's a they gave me a day

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00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 4: down there.

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00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: It's a proclamation.

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00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: Proclamation there it is. It's actually November eighteen, remember at.

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00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: One.

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00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 5: Now, you guys are.

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00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: Good Andre Rise and Appreciation Day.

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00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 4: You're right, So how can you not say? You know,

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00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 4: that's that's your city, you know, and so I'm very

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00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 4: proud of that. I love I love the people in Atlanta.

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00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: You've had a pretty successful life. Actually, you've had a

1108
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: very successful life. And what we want to know is

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00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: who is on your personal amount rushmore woo you get full.

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00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 5: Up, get four of them. I feel like I'm back

1111
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 5: on the feud.

1112
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 1: I gotta hit the button.

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00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 5: Hit the button all right, connected the football and just.

1114
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: No, just in life and life, just in life.

1115
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: How the people that have helped you get to today.

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00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 5: So we won't in glue moms.

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00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: You get in clue moms if you want to. It's

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00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: slowly customize up to.

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00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 4: You because everybody, you know, we throw mom out there

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00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 4: a shap okay, the dads don't get enough the dad,

1121
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 4: you know, only dad, we really know. The national scene

1122
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 4: was serending them dad yeah and.

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00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: Then uh from full house.

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00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 4: Yeah from fully up from Full House, the only one

1125
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 4: we've seen. Carl Wins love Carl Wins, that's it. So

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00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 4: I would say definitely.

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00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 5: My granddad.

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00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, And if anybody knows me, I grew up in

1129
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 4: the house with my grandfather. I sat there and watched

1130
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 4: baseball games, all the Tiger games, all the Lions games.

1131
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 4: I sat and listened to all the games on the radio.

1132
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 4: That's how I really learned how to play, by visualizing

1133
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 4: listening to the radio, and I learned how to play.

1134
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 4: I never watched Monday Night football because I had to

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00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 4: go to bed at nine. So I would say my grandfather.

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00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 4: See when you don't have a dad dog. My dad

1137
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 4: became doctor Charles Tucker, my agent, my representation. He represented

1138
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 4: Magic Johnson, I said, Thomas Dominique Wilkins, Carl Banks, young

1139
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 4: list goes on, Steve Smith, the Great Steve Smith. I

1140
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 4: would say my granddad, doctor Tucker. Definitely my grandmother. She

1141
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 4: gave me my heart to give beg given person, taught

1142
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 4: me how to be a shepherd.

1143
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 5: God time, long time ago.

1144
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 4: So my grandparents, doctor Tucker, my mom and my wife

1145
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 4: and all my kids surrounding it. Yeah, yeah, my mom

1146
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 4: and my wife. Yeah, my grandparents, doctor Tucker, my mom,

1147
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 4: and my wife.

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00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 5: I love it.

1149
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: Now true or false? And then I'm gonna hit you

1150
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: with the real question because I know we ain't got

1151
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 3: what so far. Now it is rumored allegedly, I'm coming

1152
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 3: back that you uh, that you have owned thirty four bens,

1153
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 3: eight Ferraris, fourteen BMW's, twenty trucks, and eight porches.

1154
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 5: You are the winner.

1155
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 3: I mean, if you were the exact reason why everybody's like, oh,

1156
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 3: you gotta be smart scared about this.

1157
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I want to be like Andre Rison.

1158
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 4: I Oh, trust me. I've had many say that rises

1159
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 4: as long as they end up like this in the end,

1160
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 4: you gotta end up. You gotta end up like this

1161
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 4: in the end. Okay, you got to get the acreage first,

1162
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 4: got it. I bought the eighty acres and still own

1163
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 4: it to this day. Love it, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

1164
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 4: so no matter what I did in between, I can

1165
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 4: go lay my little black button down and go to sleep.

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00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so so true, true, definitely true. Right. I

1167
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: like it?

1168
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 3: And where do you You hinted at it earlier, but

1169
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: I want to know how really it is. Where do

1170
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 3: you place yourself, Andre Risen on the pantheon of all

1171
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 3: time great wide receivers because you played during where we

1172
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 3: had about six of them.

1173
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, name your six first.

1174
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 3: I couldn't name six better than you when you played now,

1175
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 3: because stats matter, I would always.

1176
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 5: Go with Jay Rice for sure, for sure.

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00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 3: And then after that, Terrell Owens is somewhere in there

1178
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 3: too because he put up numbers two for sure. And

1179
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 3: then at that we can have a discussion.

1180
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 5: And I appreciate that. Yes, I really do.

1181
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: A lot of people like throw Randy Moss out there.

1182
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, but being professional football players like us three, yeah,

1183
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 4: we know what that film says.

1184
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 5: No doubt they watched TV.

1185
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: They also they have better quarterbacks than you.

1186
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 4: Right right, And that's another one. But I'm going into

1187
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 4: what the average fancies. Yes, the average fancies TV. We

1188
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 4: see the film, so who they might think that's great.

1189
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 4: If you watch them for a full fifty plays, forty plays,

1190
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 4: you might beg to differ. You're seeing the four completions

1191
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 4: in the two touchdowns, but if you would have seen

1192
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 4: him not block, not block, not give effort, not cross

1193
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 4: the field, that attitude with his teammates here or there,

1194
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 4: here there, whatever, those are all kept over here, which

1195
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 4: they should be.

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01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 5: Now, if you're a super fan, you might be able

1197
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 5: to see through that.

1198
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 4: And that's being able to say, Okay, well, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: take what the commentator is saying about Randy Moss and

1200
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 4: so I'm not gonna put him in front of the

1201
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 4: great point somebody I got you. Okay, well Tyo, Well,

1202
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna tell you Toyo has to ever won

1203
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 4: a super Bowl, so we don't put it in super

1204
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 4: bowls because Randy never won a super Bowl either. Right,

1205
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 4: then you say, well, Calvin Johnson gets to go to

1206
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame and he ain't want a playoff game?

1207
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 5: Maybe right?

1208
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: Did he play ten years or is it just nine?

1209
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 5: It might be nine?

1210
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 4: And here I go sitting there with more touchdowns and

1211
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 4: all this stuff. And I got more touchdowns than Michael Irvin.

1212
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 4: And I plan the division with Jerry Rice, so I

1213
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 4: see him twice a year. I do things that he

1214
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 4: can't do. It ain't nothing Jerry Rice can do that

1215
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 4: I can't do. There's a difference between that quarterback position.

1216
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 4: Now that's Joe Montana. No disrespect to the ones I

1217
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 4: play with, the fifty that I played with, Right, but

1218
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 4: that's Joe Montana point. So Joe steps out hill comes

1219
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 4: Steve Young. I never played with a guy like to

1220
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 4: Steve Young, right, So when I look at it, I

1221
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 4: look at it as though if I could cover you,

1222
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 4: because really I was a defensive back. I never played

1223
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 4: wide receiver in my life. I got to put it

1224
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 4: wide receiver in college. So my thing is, when I

1225
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 4: look at the top receivers, if I feel like I

1226
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 4: can check you, there's no way I'm gonna put you

1227
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 4: in front of me, because I know you can't check me.

1228
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 4: Jerry Rice can check me if he tried three times.

1229
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 4: None of them guys can check me. You have to

1230
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 4: go to some old school guys that can get wiggly

1231
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 4: and can shift, that will shifty dbs, that can move

1232
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 4: left right, all that good stuff. So when I look

1233
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 4: at it, I compare all I compile all that information,

1234
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 4: all that data they called it, they call it what

1235
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 4: they call it analytics now.

1236
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: And so.

1237
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 5: I'm the greatest receiver to play there.

1238
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: It is there, it is. I like it, the greatest

1239
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: of all time.

1240
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 5: Of all time.

1241
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 4: How many Pro Bowls do you have to go to

1242
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 4: before your perennial Pro Bowl? To five straight? I don't

1243
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 4: need to go to Joe Montowna is not even playing

1244
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 4: in them. The quarterbacks not even playing. It's certain players

1245
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 4: pulling out of the Pro Bowl. So okay, well how

1246
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 4: many times I make All Pro? All you need to

1247
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 4: do is make All Pro once and you're All Pro? Right, Okay?

1248
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 5: So then okay, well super Bowls.

1249
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I ain't never gonna get a chance

1250
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 4: to win the Super Bowl if I don't get with

1251
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 4: a team.

1252
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 5: With other great players on it. That you know.

1253
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 4: And the first time I got with one, we won it.

1254
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 4: That was the Green Bay Packers, and I didn't wait.

1255
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 4: I might have scored every playoff game. Then went into

1256
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. The first drive, first pass, touchdown. It

1257
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 4: was easy, right, So I'm thinking, like, I know now

1258
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 4: I'm the best to play the game. Well I catch

1259
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 4: Jerry Rice's stats, No, nobody will, right, But I'm on

1260
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:36,959
Speaker 4: the best plan.

1261
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 5: I'm the best.

1262
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: Like that I am.

1263
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 5: I'm the best.

1264
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 4: He can beat me rout, running, beat me, catching, beat me,

1265
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 4: run after the catch, beat me, just beat beat me, block,

1266
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 4: just beat me something. And no, I'm not six four,

1267
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 4: I'm not six three. I'm not six two six one.

1268
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 4: On Monday nights, Sunday, I'm six foot Monday night, six weeks.

1269
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 4: It's got to be some type of elevation though, Monday.

1270
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 4: I like it.

1271
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 5: You know that.

1272
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,439
Speaker 2: Made you represented well, you played the game well a man.

1273
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 2: We appreciate you coming on this podcaank you guys.

1274
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much.

1275
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: And it's these stories we appreciate it.

1276
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much. Now when I start mind,

1277
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 5: I'm have to have you guys.

1278
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 3: On most definitely the greatest opportunity if you asked that, sir,

1279
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 3: Thank you sire.

1280
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: We appreciate you. Look man, thank you all for listening.

1281
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,920
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1282
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,400
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1283
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,360
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1284
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,600
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1285
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1286
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Speaker 3: Hit the follow button, Man, Peanut, get us out of here.

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Speaker 3: Man bad Andre bad Moon rising in your city. I

1288
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 3: can't wait to see you at the draft.

1289
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 5: Man much love.

1290
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