WEBVTT - U.S. Prisoners Dreading The Pandemic’s End 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.400 This is Bloomberg Business Week. I'm Carol Masser and I'm 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.280 Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim Stanibek. We're here every day bringing 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:09.799 you the latest news from the world of business and finance, 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:13.600 plus technology, politics, economics, all furnessing the power of Business 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:17.119 Week reporters and editors, not to mention our journalists and 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.600 analyst in more than one and twenty countries. You can 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.200 download Bloomberg Business Week and iTunes, SoundCloud, or Bloomberg dot Com. 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:25.120 You can also listen to our radio show at two 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.840 pm Eastern Time on Bloomberg Radio, or watch us on 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:34.560 YouTube search Bloomberg Global News. Bear with us for a moment, everyone, 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.000 because there is a ton of headlines when it comes 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.480 to COVID and the variants and the vaccine among them. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.080 We've got Japan to clearing a new state of emergency 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.720 of a growing coronavirus cases which will run throughout the Olympics. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.560 A local newspaper reporting fans are expected to be excluded 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.640 from all events in Tokyo and the surrounding areas. Tim. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.520 We've got Africa having its worst week of the pandemic, 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:59.840 number of weekly cases rising as the delta variant spreads 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.960 cross the continent, the situation expected to worse and according 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.480 to the World Health Organization, and we've got that big 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:10.000 blockbuster number, the Pandemics global depth toll surpassing four million. Yeah, 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.440 and even here closer to home, Carol, New York City 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.680 will reduce classroom sizes, also embark on curriculum changes when 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.319 the US is largest public school system reopens fully in 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.360 person in September. The US also not ready to lift 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.839 restrictions on international passengers, and we'll take a conditions based 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:28.080 approach to any relaxing of rules. That's according to Transportation 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.680 Secretary Pete Buddha Judge. And we see lots of warnings 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:35.039 over in France against vacationing their citizens, vacationing in Spain 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:39.319 and Portugal. Forgive us for indulging us, because there's so 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:40.959 many headlines and we really want to get our next 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.920 guest thoughts on all of it. Dr Vino Polly is 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.039 founder and CEO of My Doctor Urgent Care, also the 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.040 chief COVID vaccine officer at My Doctor. He joins us 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.840 on the phone in New York City. Uh, Dr Vena Polly, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.440 I should say thank you for indulging us, because it 0:01:55.640 --> 0:02:00.120 feels like once again, we are inundated by headlines concerning 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.160 uh covid, the variant in particular, and it does feel 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.800 like all of a sudden things were moving along in 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.239 a good fashion, a positive fashion, all of a sudden 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:13.360 it feels like we're slowing down again. Hi, Hi Caroline, Tim, 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.480 it's great to be with you guys. Yes, of course, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:21.440 delta variant is definitely concerning. It's already in a hundred focus. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.920 As you mentioned, uh it's a highly transimous evo and 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:30.160 multiplying at a very fast space. It's the fastest fitness 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:34.840 and somewhat worrisome variant. And with all these reopenings that 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.639 are going on everywhere in most countries and then the US, 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:43.320 it's definitely a worrisome variant. Should it be worrisome to 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:48.640 people who have been vaccinated? So the question is folks 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.160 that are already vaccinated, are they getting these in factions? 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:55.080 I think there's once news that came out of Israel 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.320 that even if you're vaccinated, you can still get uh 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:03.160 covid and section. So with delta variant, what that means 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.360 is we already know this news that even if you're vaccinated, 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.480 they will be breakthrough infections. But the good news about 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:17.080 the vaccines is that eight decreases hospitalizations, severe complications, and death. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:21.120 And the Israel News actually felt us that it is 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.799 the vaccines are effective in decrease in serious competitions, in 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:31.080 death and those are the outcomes of want. So if 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:36.440 you're vaccinated, even with the delta variant, which is more contagious, 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:41.160 spreads much more quickly and is more virulent, if you will, um, 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:45.560 you're protected, is what you're saying. Correct, you are, So 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.000 all the three vaccines that we have in the United 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:52.320 States will protect you against delta variant. And and the 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.880 recent studies that came out a couple of weeks ago 0:03:56.320 --> 0:04:01.600 showed that most hospitalizations, severe complications, and deaths have occurred 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.280 in patients who are not vaccinated. So yes, it is 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.520 going to protect your games delta variance if you're vaccination. Okay, 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.000 But if you're not vaccinated in the United States, and 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.839 if we start to have pockets around the country where 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.640 we see cases rise, how could that be more problematic 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:23.480 to the wider population? So so remember, uh, one thousand 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.680 counties in the US or vaccinated less and we have 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:34.120 very densely populated areas where vaccination grates are low southeast Midwest, 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.040 you know listens with the Alabama you mean it, you know. 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.840 We can go down the list, but including New York 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:43.040 City in the Bronx and Brooklyn, we have pockets where 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.719 folks are not vaccinated. So when you are unvaccinated people, 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:52.120 the violets multiplies at a rapid uh pace and spreads. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:57.160 So that's a concern. Vaccination grates are really pertical, uh 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.320 to look at what's the best way to get people 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:05.560 who I mean, it's hard to even really even I 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.000 don't know the answer to this, the best way to 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.400 get people who were hesitant before. If if this doesn't 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:15.400 get them to get vaccinated, what does so? So then 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:21.839 I think it's really important to understand we have African 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:26.160 Americans folks who are not vaccinated or only vaccinated. The 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:30.800 majority of African Americans Hispanic Native Americans who are not vaccinated. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:32.800 How do we convince them? There has been a lot 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.919 of misinformation, so we have to come back back. I 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.599 think the key thing is to be communication, one in 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:46.400 one basis listening and counter any misinformation, have conversations and 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.839 give them facts. I think the message is loud and clear. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:54.520 If you're unvaccinated you are at risk not only for infection, 0:05:55.000 --> 0:06:00.240 but getting serious complications, hospitalizations, going into respect to say year, 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.560 going down a ventilator, and even death. So the message 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.800 is very loud and clear and be as health care workers, 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.640 of media, political leaders, community members, family and friends. You 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:16.200 all have to come together to kind convinced and communicate 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.480 with the folks are not vaccinated. So those who don't 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.240 get vaccinated and we're not getting to hurt immunity. Does 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:29.320 that potentially create a possibility or scenario Dr Polly where 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.719 the variant or the or the virus can continue to 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:37.400 mutate and become even more potent because there are hosts 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:42.240 out there that are available because not everybody's vaccinated, and 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.880 because we don't have herd immunity, and that that could 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.279 ultimately create a variant that the three vaccines that we 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.200 have here in the United States will not be effective against. 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.400 And I think you had the nail that's exactly right. 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.640 So the more number of people are unvaccinated, it's going 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:04.320 to create a pre tridution environment for all these variants 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.680 and especially delta variant. And I want to point out 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.080 and not alarm your orience, there is another variant called 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:15.360 delta plus variant, which is a seen uh in different countries. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.040 I think we have about ag cases in the US, 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:22.760 which is additional mutation um and that that itself is 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:27.360 not looking that good. So, yes, the virus can go 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.160 into directions. You get a lot of unvaccinated people, it's 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:35.560 gonna it's going to continue to mutate, became become more stronger, 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.840 more contagious, and men even if they immunity offered by 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.800 these vaccines. So it's it's really on our it's really 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.880 critical that we get as many people vaccinated as possible 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.680 right now. What message do you have or what do 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.360 we know for people who are vaccinated but have kids 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.920 under the age of twelve who can't get vaccinated and 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.960 are are concerned about what's happening right now, because look, 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.880 if the delta variant is indeed spreading as scientists say 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.480 it is, then those unvaccinated populations that are not even 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:12.760 eligible could get it right So so that that definitely 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:16.080 is a concern. You're still waiting on some scientific data. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.880 We're waiting on TB two guidelines for children are twelve 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.520 and below right now, there are several studies that have 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.680 angled these kids and vaccination programs we're waiting for the 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.600 final results. Hopefully will get that soon and maybe we 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.920 could even vaccinate children younger than two out pretty soon. 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:38.960 We're waiting on the guideline. Meanwhile, take all the precautions 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.720 that you can, especially if you're visiting grandparents, as kids 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.880 who are not vaccinated, they're trolling below in they're visiting grandparents. 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.240 You know, their masks, you know, have the grandparents wear masks. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.920 Do some precautions for public health measures that were put 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:58.720 in case only if those grandparents aren't vaccinated. Right, Yes, 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.480 it's a grandparents, so not laccinated. You have to help 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.400 them bear amount. But if they're vaccinated, it should be fine. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.600 They should be fine. Um, you know, just be careful. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:16.079 There are also other groups, um, individuals, people are in 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.599 suppross and medications. I think we need to protect this 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.920 vulnerable population, right if you're more vulnerable. Hey, um, just 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.920 to wrap up here, there are headlines out there about 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.160 you know, France warning its citizens against vacationing in Spain 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.520 and Portugal because of the spread of the delta variant. 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.479 You've got the US not yet ready to lift restrictions 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.559 on international passengers that according to a US Transportation secretary, 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.480 pet footage. Do you think it's right to continue these 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.880 types of restrictions? And what's your advice to people who 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:47.920 are like I am dying to get on a plane, 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:52.640 dying to go to Venice. So so that I think 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.280 the two most important things that I would recommend is 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.160 supposed to get lascinated if you get on a plane, 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.320 to protect to yourself and protect others from delta varian. 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.080 Second thing, get tested. You know, if you get tested 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.559 and if you're positive, you should not be traveling. You 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:11.920 should not go to Venice or France or any other 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:16.240 countries and stay back and follow public health measures until 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.120 you get better or you know, give give yourself the 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:24.600 quarantine peer you're post. So getting tested, getting vaccinated are 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.440 going to be very critical during gustumber or travel. Would 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.760 you also stay away just quickly twenty seconds, stay away 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.400 from states within the United States where there aren't high 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:38.920 vaccination rates just quickly you I mean, I would avoid, 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.120 but you know, if you have to go, um, make 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.080 sure you're vaccinated. All right, listen, we covered so much ground, 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.240 Thank you so much. Stay safe. Dr Veno Polly, founder 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.760 and CEO of my Doctor Urgent Care on the phone 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:54.040 in New York City. This is Bloomberg Business Week with 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:58.880 Carol Messer and Bloomberg Quick Takes. Tim Stinovic from Bloomberg Radio. 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.800 So not sure if you knew this. I did not 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.720 think about this, Tim. This is why I love this story. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.960 When COVID nineteen struck, thousands of federal prisoners were released 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.920 to home confinement, and now they're in limbo fearing that 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.400 the government will soon order them to go back. So 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.440 let's get to it. This story reported for Bloomberg Business Week, 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.720 Bloomberg News legal reporter David Yaffie Bellini. He's on the 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.040 phone in Washington, d C. Along with Bloomberg Business. We 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:23.840 get her to Joel Webber. He's right next to us 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.360 in our Interactive broker studio in New York City. You know, 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.640 I remember some headlines, Joe, but I kind of forgot 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.880 about the prisoners who were let out, the prisoners who 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:36.160 got to go home, and uh, as we've been reminded 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.920 by David's reporting here, may not get to stay home forever, right, 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.880 And part of that reason is how the cares that 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.240 fits into it. So David does drop us into reporting. 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.360 What did you learn in the course of working on 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:55.599 this story? In the spring and the early days of 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.080 the pandemic. It included a provision that allowed the Bureau 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.679 of Prisoners to least a home consignment a much wider 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.880 swath as the prison population than would normally have been eligible. Um. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.120 So you know, the Bureau of Prisons has at least 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.280 people the home confinement before, but usually only for the 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.600 last six months or so of their sentences. Under this program, 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.600 you know, prisoners who had you know, as much as 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.280 half of their sentence remaining could could go home. And 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.080 so you know, thousands of prisoners were sent home as 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.520 a as a result of that. They've sort of started 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.319 rebuilding their lives, reintegrating into into society, you know, getting 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.199 to know children who they haven't seen properly for years. Um. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.240 But that all could could come to an end once 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.120 the once the pandemic is over and the Bureau of 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:41.079 Prisons authority to do this expires. So it all hinges 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:46.240 on the government declaring the pandemic being over, which might 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.200 be wishful thinking at the moment um. Just if if 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:55.719 you hear about the delta variant and delta plus if 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.840 you're listening to the program right, like, all of that 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:02.040 stuff is a variable. But what happens once that switch 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:06.280 gets flipped in the pandemic is quote unquote over. Yeah, 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.280 so it's sort of a tragic irony that we've all 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.920 been waiting desperately for the pandemic to be over. But 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.160 there are these prisoners, you know, who are actually dreading 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.240 that that moment um, and what exactly will happen is 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.320 not totally clear. Um. In the kind of waning days 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.160 of the Trump administration, the Justice Department issued a legal 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:27.000 memo which basically outlined its interpretation of this provision of 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.560 the Care Act of the CARES Act, and said, you know, 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.760 once the pandemic is over, the b OP is going 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.880 to lose this expanded authority to put put prisoners on 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.240 home confinement. Now, you know, it seems unlikely that the 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.320 Biden administration will send the legal memo. Um. When you 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.960 talk to two legal experts, they point out that, you know, 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.959 this is actually a pretty solid bit of legal analysis 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.160 that actually, if you look very closely at the way 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.400 the CARES Act is written, it does seem to suggest 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.920 that the Bureau of Prisons only has this authority for 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.760 the duration of the emergency period of the pandemic. Um, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.680 so that memos will be not going away, despite the 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.240 efforts of prisoner advocacy groups. But there are other things 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.600 the Biden administration could do. I mean it could, um, 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.520 you could grant clemency to the thousands of prisoners who 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.200 have kind of followed all the rules and been at 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.480 home for the last year, um, which would allow them 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.800 to avoid returning to prison. Or you know, Congress could 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.200 pass new legislation making it clear that you know this, 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:25.360 this authority that the b OP was given temporarily applies permanently, 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.080 or at least applies permanently in the cases of these 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.960 prisoners who who were sent home. How exactly that will 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.840 play out is not totally clear. That the Biden administration 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.440 is keeping its cards pretty close to its chest. They'll 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.960 say things like, oh, this is a question for when 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.520 the pandemic is over, which for prisoners who are kind 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.800 of waiting in limbo is not a very satisfying answer. David, 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.880 this is an incredibly powerful story, and I think the 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.720 reason why is because it tells the story of numbers 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:54.280 through individuals, and you include a handful of these thousands 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.760 of prisoners who have been released. Their stories tell us 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:01.520 about somebody like Brian Carr. Sure so, Brian Carr, I 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.760 think you know fits the profile of a lot of 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:07.720 people in this situation. UM. He was sent to prison 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.240 on on on drug charges a few years ago. UM. 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.320 He's more than halfway through a sentence and UM was 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.200 being held the prison camp in Fairton, New Jersey. UM, 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.080 and he was sent home to Baltimore. He sort of 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.640 started trying to rebuild his life. He's planning to enroll 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.840 in a technical school. UM. Eventually he wants to start 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.320 a company that would transport cars from dealerships across the country. 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.120 He has young children, UM, who he has gotten to 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.760 know better since he's been out of prison. He's UM 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.640 living with his family in Baltimore. He's followed all the rules, 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.760 but now he's kind of in the state of limbo 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.640 where he doesn't know what will happen. And I mean, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.720 he said something to me that was really powerful that 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.400 he felt like never in his life until he got 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.440 this chance at early release had he felt like he'd 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.240 won anything UM, and then suddenly got this opportunity and 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.040 now it feels like it's going to be taken away 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.360 from him. I feel like there's a lesson here for 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.680 everyone who has read tons of research and articles on 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.720 recidivism and people going back on what really keeps people 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.440 out of prison. And I feel like, just such as 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.800 the pandemic has been a real life experiment for us, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.720 David so too, is maybe these prisoners coming out and 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.080 really finding a way to maybe write their lives. Yeah. 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.360 I mean, at the moment, we've got about hundred inmates 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.600 who are on home confinement under this provision of the 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.520 Cares act Um, and you know only you know, throughout 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.720 the pandemic, only a hundred and twenty prisoners have been 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.880 sent back for either committing a new crime or violating 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.360 one of the rules from confinement. They are very strict rules. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:37.760 You have to wear an ankle monitor, you have to 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.240 check in with prison officials several times a day. You're 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.480 obviously confined to your home for the most part um. 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.960 So so, yeah, in many ways, it's been a kind 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.960 of unlikely, you know, test case for a potential solution 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.320 and mass incarceration, and it's worked really well. And I 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.320 think most people agree on that. And you know, when 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.120 you talk to advocates, they're really frustrated that rather than 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:03.440 talking about expanding this home confinement provision to make it 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.159 permanent and giving more prisoners these opportunities they have to 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.480 desperately fight to um, you know, ensure the freedom of 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.440 people who have who have been out and have solved 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.840 all the rules over the last year. David, just just 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.280 based on your reporting and other stories that you worked on, 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.560 like the beer of Beer of prisons obviously a really 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.280 interesting um place and when that gets grilled a lot, 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.639 and just wondering like, what what other kind of changes 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:32.359 could you see coming coming from this time there? Um, 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.840 I think I think that um that you know, not 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:37.680 not only not only you know, as the Bureau of 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.800 Prisons have seen that kind of kind of expanding the 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.840 you know, sort of opening opening the possibilities of home 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.720 confinement to people who are not as far along in 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.640 their sentences. You know. Not not only have they seen 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:49.919 that that that works, but they've also created like a 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.439 whole new set of criteria. I mean some were associated 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.720 with health risks because of COVID, but other criteria about 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:58.600 good behavior. So they sort of found kind of a 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.520 new system for kind tracking the way you know, prisoners 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.399 have have responded to their their punishment that you know 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.119 is a is a potential you know, set of guidelines 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.800 for the future. That could allow the Bureau of Prisons 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.280 to kind of determine, you know, which which prisoners might 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.760 be eligible, who's most likely to benefit from home confinement 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:18.840 and follow all the rules, and you know that that 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.119 system is in place, and you know, could in theory 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.600 be kind of expanded and applied to an even wider 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.680 swath of the population than than we've already seen released 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.520 to home confinement during COVID. And so that's a potentially 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.480 you know, promising set of circumstances for the future. Um 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:37.879 but it's also all that discussion is kind of on 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:39.680 bold for now. I just think about crisis that a 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.560 crisis comes innovation, right, and disruption and ways of doing 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.840 it better, and we know the prison system has certainly 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.000 lacked in terms of figuring out a better way. Great stuff, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.280 as always, David Yaffie bell In a legal over putter 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.920 of Bloomberg News, Joe Webber, editor of Bloomberg Business Week. 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.080 This is Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and Bloomberg 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.720 Quick Takes. Tim Stinovic from Bloomberg. Raidy, We've got a 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.600 few stories for our food crowd. One is about Beyond 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.240 Meat offering up chicken tendees. There we go. I'm so 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.399 glad you sid, I'm learning, I'm learning all dog new 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:11.679 tricks and another one set way grasping for a lifeline. 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.959 Let's get to it with Bloomberg News consumer reporter Dina Shankar. 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.160 She is on the phone in New York City. Can 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.280 we talk about Beyond Me and what they're up to? 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:26.159 Of course, alright, always happy we are to tell us 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:30.320 what they're up to. So they are announcing today that 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:35.439 they're rolling out a new chicken tender product at restaurants. 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.440 It's hitting just under four hundred restaurants, which is a 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.920 bit of a smaller rollout than we've gotten used to 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:47.720 with Beyond Me. Um. These chicken tenders are honestly, they're 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.600 more like a big nugget because they're a ground product 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.960 instead of a whole muscle product, which is what we've 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.520 come to expect from you know what. Okay, hold on, 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:02.040 take a hold on, let's pause the dying. Tell us more, well, 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:03.719 we should know what they're made of. Fava beans, right, 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:08.520 not hole muscles. That's okay, there are fava there. Uh, 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.800 the main ingredient and uses fava beans like silence and 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.879 the lambs fava beans. That's all I can think of 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:18.120 such a great line from a movie first person to say, right, 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.359 it's like a great line in that movie. Okay, anyway, 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:24.600 go ahead continue. Sorry, So that's fine. So fava beans 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:29.280 are are change for beyond me that usually UH uses 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.679 P protein as it's primary ingredient, and these also P protein. 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:36.240 Actually it's in the breading for the tenders. Um. But 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:40.240 they're made from a base of of fava beans. Um. 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:45.080 And they are it's called a chop and mold, which 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.639 is another way of just saying like a whoa, sorry, 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:54.080 there's a thunderstorm happening. I'm sorry, beyond meat or or 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.680 the fava bean bean police coming at your door or something. Yeah. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.960 So it was. So it's a ground product, which is 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.919 sort of more similar to like a burger essentially, um 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:09.080 because of it's chopped up and molded into a shape 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.920 as opposed to a whole muscle, which um is. You know, 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:17.200 it's taste good. It's not what we well, So, have 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.120 you ever had anything that was salty breaded and fried? Yeah, 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:26.159 it's not going to be so um it taste you know, 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.240 it tastes a good. Um. I had it. They made 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:29.720 it for me. A chef made it for me in 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:31.720 a restaurant, so like, you know, it's not something that 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.040 I made at home. Um, it was it was crunchy 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.040 and and you know, oily and and it was like 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:41.879 bar food. Um, didn't taste like chicken. Well, you know, 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.240 being the reporter that I am, I had to sit 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.800 there and peel the breading away and and try to 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.520 you know, quote unquote me of it. And it was 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.879 it was okay. It had like sort of like a 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:57.320 slightly chalky texture but it but it was salty too, 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:00.359 so it wasn't like all the flavor was in the breading. Um, 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:03.399 there was flavor in there too. Um. But you know 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:09.040 that I tried their KFC chicken nugget right before the 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:13.840 pandemic actually, uh January so and that was their second 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.119 now get with KFC, and it was a hole muscle 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.120 and it was really impressive because it had that um 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.400 like fibrous kind of texture that you would get from 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.600 a from a chicken breath. So that's what I was expecting, 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:30.119 um from this. But it wasn't that it was a 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.920 It was a ground product, which the company incest is 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:35.359 not a step back for them, though it is a 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:39.280 lot more technologically difficult to make that whole muscle product. 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:41.359 They said that this is a better way to reach 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.760 the map, so they no longer offer that whole muscle product, right, Yeah, No, 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:49.800 that was just a short term KFC. Very briefly, I 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:51.520 don't want to get to the subway story, but very briefly, 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:53.600