1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Friday, October, third sentencing day for Diddy. 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: They're on a lunch break as we speak, but we 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: wanted to hop on because it has been a morning 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: of developments and some of them jaw dropping. Welcome to 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ Romes. We didn't know 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: how long this thing was going to go. They're taking 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: a lunch break, coming back at Too Eastern, still expecting 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: to hear from Diddy. But this morning, things right off 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: the bat were not going his way. Right off the jump, 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: just hearing from the judge, you could tell he lost 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: a couple of or Diddy at least lost a couple 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: of arguments, if you will, with his attorneys and things 13 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: they were trying to get into the sentencing memo, and 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: we all kind of and a lot of reporters in 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: the room that we are grateful for. There was a 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: tone to where things weren't going his way well, and. 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: It's the tone that we've heard from this judge. It 18 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: feels like since the onset, and certainly as we've seen 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: Diddy over the last several months try to eat, get 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: out on bail, awaiting sentencing, trying to get charges or 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: convictions thrown out, and the judge has not sided with 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: him one single time from what I can recall. So 23 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: he's consistent and he's staying on brand today. 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: That's a very good point. The judge didn't surprise us 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: at all with what he did. Off the top, we'll 26 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: explain that this start at ten o'clock this morning. All 27 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: of Didy's kids are there, his mom is there. He's 28 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: described today as somber by some people in the courtroom 29 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: from the courtroom observers. But today he dressed very casually. 30 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 1: He's not in his prison uniform he's allowed to wear today, 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: at least he was allowed to wear street clothes and 32 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: V neck, tan sweater or something like that today. Now, 33 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: headline one robes Mia, who testified under that pseudonym Mia 34 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: former assistant. She requested to address the court. We found 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: out immediately ain't happening. 36 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: It ain't happening, and it didn't look good for Diddy 37 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: because his lawyers sent a note to the courts, to 38 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: the judge asking that she not be allowed to testify 39 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: because they claim she is not a victim. Now technically 40 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: did he was not convicted on the allegations made by Mia. 41 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: But even the judge ruled that the way the tone 42 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: of the letter was that it was inappropriate. The prosecution 43 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: said that it was a bullying tactic by Diddy and 44 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: his defense team. So by them trying to get Mia 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: not to testify, which she is not going to, she 46 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: sent a letter instead, it didn't make them look good, 47 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: sympathetic or in any way despite his apologies that we've 48 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: heard about, that didn't make him feel very sympathetic or 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: that he had learned anything at least through this court system. 50 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: Because the at least in their argument that she shouldn't 51 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: be able to testify, it didn't sound like they were 52 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: making legal arguments. It sounded very personal, and even the 53 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: prosecutor called it unprofessional. They flat out called her a liar. 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: This is all a show for her. She wants to 55 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: come back now and be a part of the show. 56 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: And I said to you this morning we were getting read, 57 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: I said, man, I wonder if that could be seen 58 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: as like like she's not going to show up because 59 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: she might feel intimidated bullied. Yes, sure enough is exactly. 60 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: What happened, which is exactly what we've heard from people 61 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: like Cassi event to Refine, who say that's why they 62 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 2: don't want Ditty out because they say, sure, he's putting 63 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: on this nice guy show and telling you all these 64 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: wonderful things he's done in prison and how he's a 65 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: changed man. But when you read or heard about the 66 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: tone of that letter and how he didn't want Mia 67 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: to be given the opportunity to speak or address the 68 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: court about being a victim of his that was some 69 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: insight perhaps into this other diddy that we're hearing about 70 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: from Mia, from other witnesses, from his alleged victims. 71 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she did submit her letter, not the same impact, 72 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: but she did get a chance to submit a letter. Now, 73 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: the things we talked about off top that didn't go 74 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: his way Robes This is a big, big deal because 75 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: this was a part of the fight the defense was 76 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: happening with the prosecutors about what conduct of his should 77 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: be considered in his sentencing. His two convictions are for 78 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: transportation to engage in prostitution, essentially for being John. His 79 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: defense team argues like, if this is all you're sentencing 80 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: him for, then obviously he shouldn't get these big, some 81 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: ten to twenty year sentence. Their argument is, yeah, you 82 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: saw him beat her on camera, Yes he was a 83 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: domestic abuser. Yes, he used drugs. Yeah, he wasn't convicted 84 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: for any of that stuff. Well, now the judge this 85 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: morning said, in fact, he is going to consider some 86 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: of Ditty's bad behavior in sentencing him. 87 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: This was huge, yes, and this was a big legal 88 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: argument because Diddy's attorneys were trying to make the legal argument, 89 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: the legal point that that shouldn't be considered. But the 90 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: judge made it very clear that he can consider what 91 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: they call acquitted conduct, the conduct that he was charged 92 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: with but acquitted for, not convicted of by the jury. 93 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: So you can, and the judge can certainly take into 94 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: account Diddy's actions surrounding those charges that the jury didn't 95 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: find him guilty of, meaning MEA's testimony is going to 96 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: be considered by the judge and certainly cassi Ventur refines 97 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 2: testimony is going to be considered by the judge as 98 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: he makes his sentencing recommendation. 99 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: All right, So that was one thing, the acquitted conduct 100 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: can be considered. The other thing that can be considered 101 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: excuse me, not to be considered as a part of 102 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: the sentencing report. This pre sentencing report essentially you put 103 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: all the information in there and it kind of gives 104 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: you an equation for how much time somebody should get. Well. 105 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: The defense wanted to include in there that Didty had 106 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: taken responsibility for his actions. The judge said, oh, hell no, 107 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: he has not. 108 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: That is remarkable because yes, in our earlier episode, we 109 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: read for you most of if not all, of Ditty's 110 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: letter to the judge that he gave last night to 111 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: the court, where he did say he was sorry, where 112 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 2: he did write that he took full responsibility. But the 113 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: judge wooh. The judge said, he expressed remorse for some things, 114 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: but said quote Combs has challenged his factual guilt full 115 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: throatedly and had done so even after trial. 116 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: Ouch, how did she take responsibility if you're sitting here 117 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: saying I'm not guilty. That was as simple a plane 118 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: as you can make it. So they are not going 119 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: to include in this sentencing report that he took responsibility. Also, 120 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: the defense was arguing, trying to make sure in this 121 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: sentencing report do not call Cassie Jane or those male 122 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: prostitutes victims. Now, I don't know why this was so key, 123 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: but it mattered, and they argued about it. Once again. 124 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: The je said, on to the defense you're not gonna 125 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: win this one. 126 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: Either, that's right. The judge is allowing Cassie Jane and 127 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: the male prostitutes to be referred to as victims in 128 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: this pre sentencing report. So, yes, he has been delivered 129 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: blow after blow today. 130 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, this morning did not go well from him. And 131 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: then so everything we're telling you led to what we 132 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: are about to say now. So the defense Robes asked 133 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: for fourteen months based on their calculation. Prosecution said he 134 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: should get eleven years and three months based on their calculation. 135 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: The judge with this pre sentence of report this morning, 136 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: put all that information in there and he came up 137 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: with the actual number that should be considered for how 138 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: long did it should be in prison? In Robes, it 139 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: is not looking good. 140 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: No, seventy to eighty seven months. That's what the judge's 141 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: calculation is based on the pre sentencing report. Everything that 142 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: was put in. Is there a formula, an actual mathematic 143 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: formula or an algorithm or something that he actually can 144 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: put into a computer and it calculates it for him, 145 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: or is he doing it in his own math in 146 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: his own head. 147 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: You know what. My understanding it is kind of like 148 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: a legal like you fill in blanks. Is he, this 149 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: is he, this is he, this and it and it's 150 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: a standard form. And then after that it pops out 151 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: and you go through and look and consider whatever scores 152 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: or grades, and you go through and look and say, yep, 153 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: this is the range of time he should get. So yeah, 154 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: it's like it's like that. It's not literally that, but 155 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: it's like putting numbers in a formula into an equation 156 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: and then it spits out how much time you're to have. 157 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: And this is what got spit out. So now it's 158 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: not a matter that fourteen months and going home being 159 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: home by Christmas. 160 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: That's not happening. I think we can say that with 161 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: pretty great assurance that he is not going home before 162 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: the holidays or even before the end of the year. 163 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: Given this judge. Now after he has said this. So 164 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: that's what we're dealing with, is how far below or 165 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: above the guidelines does this joke? 166 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: So this guidelines is five years and ten months to 167 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: seven years and three months, so seventy months to eighty 168 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: seven months, that's I mean. So by that calculation minimum 169 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 2: five years and ten months, maximum seven years three months. 170 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: Now he can consider, like you said, to go up 171 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 2: or to go down based on what he sees in court, 172 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: but based on what we're hearing from the judge in court, 173 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: doesn't seem like he's inclined to go down. 174 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that's a better way to put it. Even 175 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: if he doesn't go up, I certainly don't feel like 176 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: he's going to go down. It doesn't seem that six 177 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: years for Diddy in prison potentially at this point what 178 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: we're looking at and indications seem to be fourteen months 179 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: so already that means he's an extra four years in 180 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: prison possibly, Yes. 181 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: And I think you know, you and I had been 182 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: talking about it, having followed this trial every single day. 183 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: We both kind of privately made our best guesses, and 184 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: you and I were both right around five years. We 185 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: said that seems like that might be where this is headed, 186 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: and could be that's exactly where this is headed or worse. 187 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: Yes, And so during the day today, this continue this morning. 188 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: So this is kind of again we didn't know how 189 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: long this is going to go, but it's gone into 190 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: what feels like now an almost full day of a hearing. 191 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: But the prosecution got to make a presentation, the defense 192 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: got to make a presentation as well. Those are through 193 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: at least, and the kids got to talk the prosecutors. 194 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: It was interesting. This was the moment of the morning. 195 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: I believe Robes that they described as like Diddy's head 196 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: even shot up and people, they said, every person in 197 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: the room, their mouth dropped open. Because this Robes, if 198 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: it is true, I can't believe for a second that 199 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: Diddy would be this stupid. 200 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: Yes, and because it does not look good. The prosecutor 201 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: told the court that Diddy had already booked speaking engagements 202 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 2: in Miami for next week and called it the height 203 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 2: of hubris for him to do that, that he had 204 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,479 Speaker 2: such an expectation that he was going to be released 205 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: after this sentencing. Hearing that he actually booked speaking engagements 206 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: in Miami. 207 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: What was our reaction to it? 208 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: My jaw actually dropped. 209 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: I didn't think it was true. 210 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: You actually didn't believe it. 211 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: That can't be true. Nobody's that stupid. Did He's not? 212 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: Obviously not. Of course, you wouldn't do that. That's and 213 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: yet and yet it appears he did. However, there is 214 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: more to that story. There has been a letter, a 215 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: briefing that has been filed and put on file. They 216 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: were the court from a non profit organization in Miami 217 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: that deals with incarcerated individuals who are making a transition 218 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: back into society. He did, He, according to this letter 219 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: from this group, is signed up to speak at that 220 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: organization on October fourteenth, seventeenth, twenty third, twenty fifth, and 221 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: twenty nine. 222 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: And look, you asked me if it made a difference 223 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: in my reaction to know that he was speaking to 224 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: a nonprofit group, and my answer is not really, because 225 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: he's still putting on his hero cape. Look at me, 226 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 2: I'm reformed. Let me help you do the same. Let 227 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: me tell he's still And even in the letter he 228 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: sent to the judge, he had he was looking at 229 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: everything through his own philanthropy and his own ability to 230 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: overcome and his heroism. That it's too soon for that. 231 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: It's way too soon for that. He's just apologized yesterday 232 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: for all of this, and now he's going to be 233 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: this motivational speaker. I'm sorry if that makes me feel 234 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: actually like physically ill in some shape. It doesn't sit right. 235 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: It's not the right timing. And certainly, yeah, that is 236 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: some ego there to think that you actually were gonna 237 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: be able to go and stand in front of a 238 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: crowd and be hailed some good guy who's turned his 239 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: life around, who's gonna help other people do the same. 240 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: I want to hear more about this. I still cannot 241 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: believe anyone who would be this. That's not even arrogance, 242 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: that's pure stupidity. You know, if somebody's gonna find out 243 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: about it, it's gonna this looks terrible. 244 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 2: The reports in the room, I know you said people like, 245 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if you specified it was his head 246 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: shot off. They said like he couldn't believe that, almost 247 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 2: as if because we don't know, but it seemed as 248 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: if he was shocked that they knew that he had 249 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: a speaking Hey, he had several speaking engagements lined up. 250 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: This that this one makes no sense. I actually am 251 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: reserving of my opinion on this one until I hear 252 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: cause I just can't believe that anyone would do this. 253 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: I don't care what it is, A dentist appointment, I 254 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: don't give a damn. How are you gonna make plans 255 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: for next week? You're essentially telling the judge, yeah, I 256 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: know what he gonna do. I'm out of here. The 257 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: judge might give him nine years. 258 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: I mean, in all seriousness, yes. 259 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So the defense got to go up and 260 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: make their presentation as well, and Rogues actually had two 261 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: lawyers go up, and the second one Nicole Westmoreland, a 262 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: black woman, who spoke for a little bit. She got 263 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: quite emotional up there. Reports are she was crying and 264 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: tearing up in there, but telling the story of what 265 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: he has meant to the community and how much it 266 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: was a big deal to see someone from where he's 267 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: from succeed in the way he did. He built himself, 268 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: he built an industry, he built a company, and I think, yes, 269 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: that is all true, and he did contribute so much 270 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: and his success story is a brilliant one. Today a 271 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: presentation see someone crying on his behalf again reading the 272 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: room today, the timing of the video and the speaking engaged. 273 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: Can we talk about the video? 274 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: We haven't talked about it. Was it twelve fifteen minutes? 275 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: Whether it is yes, but it it was basically a 276 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: highly produced, well lit video that showed did he running 277 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: the New York City Marathon for a philanthropic cause, his 278 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: playing with his young children, being a good dad, having 279 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: people talk about what a phenomenal member of the community 280 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: he's been. I'm sorry, but it's for me. That was 281 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: just my initial reaction was and I have had moments 282 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: where I have felt sorry for him in the sense 283 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: that he had everything thrown at him and was facing 284 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: charges that I don't even believe he necessarily should have 285 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: been facing because he is who he was. And yet 286 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: when that video, when we heard and saw some of 287 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: the snippets, I just felt like it was manipulative. I 288 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: felt like he thinks we're stupid, that somehow we just 289 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: think he's this great guy. Now, it just it didn't. 290 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: Not only did it not make me want to rally 291 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: behind him or root for him, or hope that he 292 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: gets a lighter sentence, it actually made me feel the opposite. 293 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: That he was using his money, his wealth, his power 294 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: to try and influence and the fact that he thinks 295 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: we're so dumb that we're gonna fall for it. 296 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: We've had a lot of feelings about this story, just 297 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: as human beings watching this story. This is the one 298 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: thing I couldn't believe how much of this video irked you. 299 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: It really really did, and you see it. Dead timing 300 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: is everything. This is the most I've seen you probably 301 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: get annoyed. 302 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: Now. 303 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: Obviously he's behavior was atrocies and things we saw. But 304 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: this set you off. 305 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: It did today, it did. It did not sit well 306 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: with me, and I can't imagine it sat well with 307 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: the judge. But you know what, I don't know. That's 308 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: just my personal reaction having listened to everything he's accused 309 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: of having listened to these women, sob up there on 310 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: the witness stand and talk about decades of abuse, and 311 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: he's put together this shiny package of how great of 312 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: a guy he is. It's tough, it's trying. 313 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: He's trying to remind the judge what they call these 314 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: mitigation factors, what they call well, yeah, he's trying to 315 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: mitigate just how much his sentence will be by reminding 316 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: that I was and I have contributed to society in 317 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: a positive way in some way. I think that's all 318 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: he's trying to do, Just show himself and remind the 319 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: judge that hey, I've done some good stuff. Was as 320 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: simple as that. It didn't work for me, But it 321 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: just seems like a show at this time, like obviously 322 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: we know what you're doing. And I think that's all 323 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: you see when. 324 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: You see that yes, yes, exactly, and know what you're 325 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: trying to do, yes, and I think everyone's aware of 326 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: some of the contributions he made. I mean, he was 327 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 2: on his way to becoming a billionaire and he yes. 328 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: I think in that sense, when you have that kind 329 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: of a platform, there is a level of responsibility to 330 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: do good and to be good. So I don't even 331 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: give him that many kudos for what he did. 332 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't think about it that way. But also 333 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: in the courtroom this morning, folks reportedly did he was 334 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: in tears? Did he was in tears in court? We 335 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: will explain who was standing at that podium when did 336 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: he started to cry. We continue now with Diddy. We 337 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: are on standby as we speak. They are on a 338 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: lunch break for his sentencing. Hearing going to start back 339 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: up at two o'clock Eastern time. After that, we expect 340 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: to hear from Diddy. We expect to hear from the judge. 341 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: We expect to hear from his pastor as well. But 342 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: we don't know how much longer this might go. But 343 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: we will find out today how much time did he 344 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: will get in prison. The judge has now set the 345 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: guideline somewhere between roughly six and seven years, which is 346 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: much higher than what the defense was asking for now 347 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: robes his kid's guide up to speak. Six he's a 348 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: six adult children got up to speak, and this was 349 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: the moment they described in court that Diddy actually was 350 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: absolutely in tears. Yeah, and his six kids got and 351 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: we wondered where they are all going to speak individually, but 352 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: they went up there as a group, and I bet 353 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: that was a hell of a scene to see. 354 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that to me, so here we have 355 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: now to me something that's real, something that I understand 356 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: and I can relate to as a parent, as a human, 357 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 2: no matter what you've done with your life, when your 358 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: children get up there and speak on your behalf, that 359 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: is an emotional, real moment that doesn't feel performative in 360 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: any way. And so this is where I felt differently 361 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: about what I've seen in the courtroom today, because if 362 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 2: there was more of that, if there was more contrition, 363 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: if there was more humility, I would feel a lot 364 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: differently about what I've seen so far. This was a 365 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: moment where there was those things. And so it was 366 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: his daughter, I believe, who talked about watching him nurture her. 367 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: Talking about this. So he has a two year old, 368 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: so as the adult kids and then a little one 369 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: two year old named loved name. So an older kid 370 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: was talking about the two year old. 371 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: Ana, So his daughter said, watching him nurture her, even 372 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: from a distance, has been unexpectedly healing. I can see 373 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: glimpses of the father he was to us as babies, 374 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 2: But it also breaks my heart because my sister deserves 375 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: so much more than this. I mean that, yes, but 376 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: I also I don't know. Did to jump out to 377 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 2: you that? She said, she can start to see glimpses 378 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: of the fire he was to us his babies, meaning 379 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 2: he still has a lot more work to do. 380 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but he's been in prison for a year. 381 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: How much parenting in there? He said, worse two years 382 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 1: of his life. You know, the past year was the hardest, 383 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: probably the time he spent at prison. I'm not sure 384 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: what kind of a guy, what kind of a father, 385 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: what kind of a light? What kind of inspiration can 386 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: he be to his kids? Behind a sell So, I 387 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: don't know. 388 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so she went on to say this, and 389 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 2: this was definitely going to pull at everyone's heart strings. 390 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: We know he isn't perfect, and he has made many mistakes, 391 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: and we aren't here to excuse any of those mistakes, 392 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: but your honor, he is still our dad and we 393 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: still need him present in our lives. 394 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: I get that. 395 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: I get that. 396 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: And the kids who have lost who lost their moms. 397 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: This is their only parent, so she said, our two 398 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: year old sisters asking where dad is, the same way 399 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: we grew up motherless. It's a hole that can't be filled. 400 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 2: We are tired of being strong. We have already lost 401 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: so much, our mother, our father. Please give us the 402 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: chance to heal together and move forward together. 403 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what judges do. Well, that's just yes 404 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: that your heart breaks for those kids. 405 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 406 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: Your heart breaks for those victims, for those women. It's hard. 407 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: You would have to let your heart break a little 408 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: bit for Diddy to give him leniency. You would have to, 409 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: don't You have to have something that mercy? Yes? Is 410 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: the judge going to give him any iota of mercy? I? 411 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: You know, I wonder because again, I don't want to 412 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 2: come off as harsh about my reaction to the video 413 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: into the letter that he wrote the judge, But I 414 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: guess I just feel like seeing his kids, seeing him humbled, 415 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: see him seeing him cry, seeing the real emotion between 416 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: him and his children. That is what moves you. And 417 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: if he had said less done less, just said he 418 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: was sorry and didn't go into how horrible his conditions 419 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: are in prison and you know all of that. But 420 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: if he just kept it simple and just said, I 421 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: am sorry, I have no excuses, I am learning, I 422 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: want to do better. I will accept whatever punishment you 423 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: give me because I deserve that and more. Thank you 424 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: for even considering what I had to say and leave 425 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: it at that. Don't sit there and tell everybody how 426 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 2: great you are, how wonderful you are, how much you've learned, 427 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 2: how much you deserve a second chance. See, that's when 428 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 2: you lose me. I want to see real humility and 429 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 2: real heart, and I just for me, And maybe I 430 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 2: am wrong, but it didn't feel it didn't feel like 431 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: it came from the right place. It came from a 432 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: place of survival and self preservation. 433 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: And I get that. That is. Yes, he is trying 434 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: to get that out of prison and throwing everything out. 435 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: Would it make a difference, we don't know. And also 436 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: will it make a difference whatever he actually says in court. Yes, folks, 437 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: as we sit here, they're coming back from lunch break 438 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: in just a little bit but he is expected to 439 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: address the court this afternoon. How well scripted, how well 440 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: rehearsed will he come off versus how authentic is what 441 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: you said. We have not had an opportunity in the 442 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: past year to see him as a human being until 443 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: maybe this moment. We didn't even see it, but him 444 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: crying because his kids were standing up there. That's a 445 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: human moment that comes through even reading about what's happening 446 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: in the courtroom. 447 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 2: I just hope we see more humility and less hubris. 448 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: All right, but folks, we will hop back on again, 449 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: and reminder, if you want to keep up, there's a 450 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: lot going on top right corner of your Apple podcast screen. 451 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: There it says follow Just click that and you can 452 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: get the updates coming to you from us. And there 453 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: will be another one today for sure about Sean Diddy 454 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: kom standing by waiting to see how long he is 455 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: going to stay in prison. The judge has now said 456 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: the guidelines say it should be anywhere from about six 457 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: to seven years. Always appreciate you listening to us. We'll 458 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 1: hop back on AM TJ here, talk to you soon.