WEBVTT - Black Beef in These Internet Streets | Angela Rye SoloPod 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.519 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:05.960 with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:10.000 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.520 Hey, everybody, this is a very very special day. I 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.400 get to share solo pod time with my dear sister 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.799 friend Tiffany Cross. We are here, y'all to talk about 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.960 black beef in these internet streets. We're supposed to be 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:26.240 joined by Van Lathan, who could no longer make it, 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.479 but we had such a good conversation yesterday to The 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:34.519 conversation was about how we solve for people who we 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:38.680 love in conflict, especially in such a critical time. You 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.600 remind us most podcasts right about what we're what's at stake. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.720 Of course, we're under an authoritarian regime. The courts are turning, 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.919 media companies are turning. Certainly, Congress has, state legislators have, 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.520 and yet and still we got a lot of time, energy, 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.040 clicks and views on folks that want to focus on beef. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.840 You were mad at me recently speaking of it beef, and. 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:03.920 I'm gonna let you tell it, but because you thought 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.360 I was wasting my time on said internet beef. So 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.720 I want to get into that and then hopefully you'll 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:10.200 be with me, You'll be down with me to do 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.160 some type of a pledge and ask our people to 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:12.920 come to know. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:18.119 We'll see what the pledge is. Why I wasn't mad 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:22.320 at Angela. I was disappointed, annoyed, annoyed. I was annoyed, 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:27.080 irritated it definitely irritated, frustrated, frustrated, all of yes, you, 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.280 thank you. You just put words to my feelings. Because 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:34.119 I am at home in my bed, sadly on screen 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.240 time scrolling through Instagram, and I don't want to give 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.840 this person too much attention or credit. But a very dark, 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.120 spirited person who I've never heard of, never seen, never 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.640 popped up in my timeline at all, and she was 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.360 just saying all these very degrading things about Angela. Not 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.240 over some personal beef, not over you know, like Angela 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.160 stepped on her toe and didn't say I'm sorry, like 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.280 nothing like that, but over a policy position in which 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.000 this woman happened to be missing formed, But over a 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.360 policy position that Angela was really just trying to explain 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.520 and express frustration. I don't we're trying to avoid saying 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.760 specific beefs because then we get into the beef instead 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:13.520 of the whole point. And I'm like, why is this 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.440 stupid chick even popping up on my timeline? Like I 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.799 don't even know. The language was so ugly. And then 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:21.440 I scroll and look at the comments. You know why 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.440 she was popping up with my timeline because this one 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.840 right here, Angela all up in the comments responding to 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.000 this girl. And this girl had like a couple hundred 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.960 thousand followers, Angela has like two million. So I'm like, 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.600 you just gave your whole The algorithm sees that and says, oh, 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.440 your your followers must want to see this engagement because 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:44.239 you're engaging her. And so in this rage machine, the 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.840 data is feeding me what it thinks I like, and 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.400 so it really inflated this person's point, which was not 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:56.240 Angela's intention. And so I know Angela has talked about 0:02:56.320 --> 0:03:00.360 what she's gone through with her mom and just in life, 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.880 what we're all going through, and I just felt like, 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.280 why are you in the comments engaging this person? Now. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:10.120 This is punctuated by there are beefs all the time, 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.480 in which Angela inserts herself. She is not the person 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.720 in the beef. But let's say me and Andrew got 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.200 a beef me Andrew don't have no beef. I'm just 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.280 using us as an example. Me Andrew got a beef, 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.120 and I'm like, you know, Andrew ate my bag of 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.120 chips and I tell him those are my doritos. Don't 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:25.000 eat my doritos. 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.480 You need to use at example because now you're gonna. 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.440 Have people have dragging me for this as president. 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.960 Well, me and Andrew and you never really had no beef, 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:34.880 you know. But I'm just giving that as an example. 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.400 It got nothing to do with Angela. But she will 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.520 insert and be like, Okay, Andrew like, let's talk about it, 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.840 Tiff like, let's talk about it. Because she loves us both, 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.320 and so she wants to create this koon bay ya. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:49.240 And my thought is, you know, I grew up in 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.120 certain ways. So one of the themes of how you grow 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.400 up is mind your business when they don't concern you, 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:58.000 you know, And so I feel like sometimes Angela should 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.760 mind her business. But Angela, but Angela said this is 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.120 how we even got this, how I even got on 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.280 the pockets we were talking about. Yes, but when I. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.480 Said that to you, angel doesn't like to debate. 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.720 Clearly I'm in a debate now I'm being help forced 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.720 here to talk about this. So when I won't mind 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:18.599 my business because she wont my business. But when I 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.920 said that, what was your response? It is my business. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.440 I didn't say that, but that's how I feel. I 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.680 think that, you know, I think there are two things present. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.800 One is own man tip. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:32.880 How are you gonna make me cry? 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.360 Oh God, she's gonna make me cry. So I'm gonna 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:36.600 keep talking so I don't cry. 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.720 No wait, wait, I have to say that. Okay, Okay, 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:40.480 I'm gonna try. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:48.280 So see this is this is don't give me, don't 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:49.360 get I'm not I'm refused. 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.279 I'm trying to try. Okay. So I grew up with 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.000 a dad. So my dad is the oldest, he's the 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:56.720 oldest sibling. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.360 He is the shortest boy, so he had to use 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.080 some extra like force to get his brothers to listen 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:02.360 to them. 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:03.920 Because they were younger, but they were bigger than him. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.520 And so my dad's way of being is very much 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:11.159 a mediator. When my grandfather passed, he told him that 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.280 he had the responsibility keeping the family together because he's 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.480 the patriarch at that point. And I think my dad 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.280 and I are similar enough where I have even when 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:24.160 it's subconscious tried to emulate his behavior. One of the 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.800 things that my dad does so well that I'm so 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.040 proud of him for is there's not a person in 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.679 the community that he knows about that if he sees 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.159 them as voiceless or not being heard or not being 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.360 fairly represented, that he doesn't go and kind of take 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:38.080 on that cause. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.000 I think it is the way of a good activist, right. 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:43.320 And I think. 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.160 On a more micro level, I had a very traumatizing 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.279 sixth grade year, very traumatic. I think we can all 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.320 find that one year where you were like, this year 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.359 was the worst year of my life and sixth grade 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.960 TIF I had a number of. 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:03.200 In my emotions. 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.720 My period coming up made me was it was it family? 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:09.960 No, it was it was all school stuff. Yeah, but 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:16.280 like a number of occurrences where people would like they 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.880 would decide that I was like the enemy for whatever reason, 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.320 Like my parents were. We did they did pretty well. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.279 I always had new stuff. I think there was jealousy 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.640 around that, but I also felt very awkward. I was 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.200 flat chested, my teeth was crooked. I am bracest, yet 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.400 I peach fuzz on my lips. Someone are using full 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:32.839 of mustache, right, Like whatever. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.159 It was like it was a rough year child, Yeah, 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.280 challenge and so and so it was. It was. 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.680 I felt I got picked on a lot. There were 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.800 times where like the bell would ring for recess and 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.520 I would be like, I do not want to go outside. 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.960 I don't know what's going to happen today, And the. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.520 People who were closest to me, I felt like, didn't 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.719 defend me. So by the time sixth grade was over, right, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.440 I was like, I'm not ever going through this again. 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.600 So sixth grade summer to the seventh grade year, girl, 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.600 my period came, my booth started coming in. I was 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.680 a little cute, I had braces, right, I was ready 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.520 for the world. No pun intended with the artist, but 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:10.920 like you know, I was ready and I can't. I 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.720 made up in my mind in that moment that I 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.200 would never be bullied again, and that nobody I love 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.160 would ever be bullied, right, like nobody. I didn't care 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.800 who with my dad, like whomever, I decided I was 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.200 gonna be the chief defender like I didn't want. I 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.760 didn't like that experience and I didn't want anybody else 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.400 in my world to have that experience. So seventh grade, TIF, 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.200 you will be pleased to know that that's the year 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:37.080 I got suspended. Why my friend Yolanda was in a 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.800 fight with Lamar Murphy Lamar, I love you, but I'm 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:41.640 about to tell all your business. Also in the book 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.800 Hope you don't mind, but Yolanda was He was picking 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:47.600 on Yolanda and I was like, leave how long we 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.680 were in pe. He didn't leave her alone. Lamar came 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.880 charged at me from across the room. I swung and 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.760 he hit Lamar roundhouse right. He drops to the ground. 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.760 Lamar is true. I'm sorry, that's what happened. So I 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:04.840 get suspend it. Yeah, and my mom wants to know 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.920 why I'm suspended for a battle that wasn't mine. My 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:12.120 dad is proud. And my point in saying that now 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.600 I'm not encouraging kids. Don't try this at home, don't 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.800 go and get suspended at school, don't fight, Nobody tell 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.360 on the person. Okay, be a snitch. It's totally fine. 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.880 But like I think that is core to who I am. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.280 If voiceless or voice impacted by they weren't there to 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.280 represent themselves. You know, you hear about those times when 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.960 your name comes up in spaces like the letters written 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:33.840 about me in sixth grade where I wasn't able to 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.679 defend myself. You have a whole narrative about me, and 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:40.040 you knew different and you didn't defend me. And that's 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.839 really where it comes from. 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.360 And so I think it's deep. But I also see 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:46.160 it as a duty. 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.160 And I'm sure there are times, like to your point, 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.280 where you're like, Okay, that's too heavy given everything else 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.280 that you're carrying. But I don't know another way of being, 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.320 you know, And I'm fine with it, particularly when it 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:01.800 is for people who I know are for the interests 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:03.640 of black people, even if their means to that and 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:08.520 is different, and even if they're misunderstood, but if I 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.240 know their heart is to liberate black people, to help 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.079 us get free, to create space for. 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:14.600 Us, I'm gonna I'm gonna rock with you. 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.880 Well, yes, okay. So what Angela said when I said, 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.959 you know, this isn't your business all the time, she said, 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:25.719 it is my pleasure to defend people I love. So 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.720 hearing what you said to that, I would say, okay, 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.360 I hear that. So then you can come in and say, 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.079 because you think about all the people Angela's friends with, 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.600 we on the wrong opposite side of a lot of issues, 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.600 you know, So in that case, you can say, hey, 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.839 you know, if I feel like Andrew didn't mean to 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.960 eat your dorito, get back. 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.560 To the dorito. 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.240 And Andrew is a beef, you know, I wish, said Bakari, 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.520 he needs a beef, but just throwing the comb in there, 0:09:55.840 --> 0:10:00.120 Andrew didn't mean to eat your doritos. And Andrew is like, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.520 I ain't even eat her to READO you knows lyon 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.640 once you had made your first attempt to me, then 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:10.440 then that's it. Like what So it's a whole thing, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:14.440 a whole like conflict going on where some people feel 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:19.760 away about about somebody said something publicly and a lot 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.600 of us had opinions about it, and people said something 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.000 and Angela felt, you know, like it's her responsibility to 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.600 defend this thing. My thought is defend the thing once 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.520 and then be on your way. But like Angela, don't 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.520 box everybody until they agree with her. And to me, 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.839 that is for me as your friend, that is hard 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:43.680 to watch because it's like, girl, you like I do 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.360 you just stop me if I'm saying something wrong. But 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:49.280 Angela's mom had to go to the hospital. She's fine. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.880 She kicked Angela out the room, so she's fine. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.120 She told me to mind my business. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.280 Literally, you tell her to mind her business. So I'm 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.000 looking at this like, why are you spending your like 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.320 you're not gonna convince people like they feel how they feel, 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.760 and me personally, in this instance, I didn't think they 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.000 were wrong, and so Angelin and I just started to think, 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.760 is this about the thing or is this about something else? 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:15.880 Because as your friend, I want you to step away, 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.679 leave it be. You deserve peace in this moment, and 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.160 you'll take on this beef and eight other beefs at 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:26.640 the same time. And you know, it just doesn't feel 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.040 like it's living in service to black folks, and it 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.560 doesn't feel like it's living in service to you. And 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.559 you keep telling me it doesn't drain me, like it's 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.079 my pleasure to defend people I love, and so it 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.680 could be me projecting, because that shit would drain me. 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.800 I definitely think you project yeah, I say, but I 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.000 don't think it's all projection. I do think it comes 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.000 from a place of care, right, Like, I don't think 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.160 you're just like, oh, let me put everything I feel 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.240 on you and tell you to feel this. I think 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.200 you're like Okay, I see how I feel about it, 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:54.840 and I don't want you to feel this, so let 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:56.720 me do it. Because you're not minding your business either, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:00.200 That's true. Your defense comes up in a different way. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.760 Your defense comes in and protection like I don't want 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:04.760 you to take this on because you're carrying all these 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.439 other things. I know you're carrying these things. So I'm 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.440 going to try to make you stop. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.760 Doing this thing because I think this is how I 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.199 would respond to it. I think we all. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.440 Do that, and I think the question just becomes like 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.640 can you be can you see enough to know when 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.880 it is draining you? And I can honestly tell you 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:26.319 just from accountability standpoint, I can't always and. 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.520 I won't know until I get to the point Like last. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:29.960 Night, I don't know how far you got in a chat, 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:34.319 but I was like, all right, to keep scrolling. I'm like, okay, yeah, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:35.920 I got to the point where I was like, all right, 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.680 you know, I'm not going to do this. But the 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.040 main thing that I would like to get to, Tiff 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:45.720 is a place where our folks can say, you know what, brother, 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.720 a sister, or sibling, I took issue with your approach 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.400 on this thing, and I wish you would reconsider. 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.079 And I want to use a good example. 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.440 There's a good sister, Hope, Giselle, And I'm calling out 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.680 names because this is something that was resolved during State 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.880 of the people who challenge our tour on social media 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.400 and said that we were missing the representation of the 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:11.280 trans community. And I was frustrated about it because we 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.400 were hyper inclusive. We had two hundred or half two 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.800 hundred organizational partners local, national level, etc. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.679 I work, you know this tip. I worked over. 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.640 Time to get black people if we didn't agree on 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.560 everything together, and I felt really frustrated because I'm like, 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.680 I know this isn't true, Like why don't you just 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.040 come through and see. David asked Hope to come through 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.720 and see and to volunteer, and she did and it 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:38.160 completely shifted her position. And I don't think that in 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.800 every time I do that that people will completely shift 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.520 their position. But I would like for us to love 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:45.280 the kind of way where we give each other the 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.319 benefit of the doubt first, to not say we're intentionally 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.360 causing harm. I actually hate those comments. The worst tip 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:52.880 when you were like you in these comments. I'm in 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.920 the comments, especially when somebody says we're intentionally doing something 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:02.559 to be divisive or to few misinformation or to cause harm. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.840 We don't move that way. That's that's not the type 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:06.520 of people we are. It's definitely not the type of 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.640 black folks we are. So that's when I get really concerned. 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.400 And so if there's an opportunity to get people together 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.680 in the same room to realign, I would love to 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.600 see that happen. I really think we need like a 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.640 black people summit where we just like agree to some things, 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.000 you know, like who are the people that you're gonna 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.360 listen to to fact check you if you make a mistake, 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:29.160 It's okay. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.360 If you make a mistake, then you could just own 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:32.040 it and move on. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:33.880 Who are the people you go to if they're like 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.200 your tone is drabbed and it's gonna make people feel 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:37.520 like there's no hope. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:39.080 Can we do that? You know? 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.600 Is there a community where that we can create where 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.000 there's some alignment. We won't be perfectly aligned on everything, 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.520 but can we be aligned on some big picture issues 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.960 sex that we don't have black beef in these internet 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.680 streets so much it just feels and that feels distracting. 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.080 Yeah, because like your alignment is one thing, somebody else's 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.520 is another. You know, some things that you want to 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.480 be in a line, I'm on you and I are 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.880 not going to be in alignment on those things. And 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.040 so once I've stayed at my position clear like I've 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.080 done my things, trust that I have done my thinking. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.160 Like typically when I say something, I've debated myself. You know, 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.920 I've talked to somebody who disagreed with me already. I 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.080 you know, I have conviction in my beliefs. I'm standing here. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.000 I'm gonna assume that about other people. If it's clear 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.480 they haven't, then yeah, there's room for a discussion. But 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.720 sometimes I think the attitude of oh, but if you 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.560 only understood this other side, and it's like, maybe that's you. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.960 You need to understand the other side, But a whole 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.840 lot of other people we've already done that part. And 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:36.920 so then when you're like, no, but I'm trying to 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.560 pull you over here, and it's like, yeah, girl, I'm good. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.560 I don't need to go over there, Like I it's 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.120 not something else that I'm okay over here, And so 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.760 just for your own piece, still, I'm maybe projecting. I 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.760 do kind of feel like sometimes it's I've said something 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:56.080 and we talked about a specific situation where there's a 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:00.280 person who I think uses their platform completely irresponsibly. And 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:05.720 I said something to the person and she you know, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.040 it wasn't like she wasn't receptive, but she seemed pretty 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.840 rooted in how she uses her platform. At that point, 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.360 I don't really have shit else to say, you know, like, 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.720 that's how you feel, it's your platform. You gotta live 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.920 with that. That's okay to do it after that, to 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.080 keep saying something to her again and again, at a 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:28.000 certain point that feels disrespectful. You know, at a certain point, 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.560 I gotta say, Okay, I get it. What Angela's perspective 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.480 was on this particular person is because other people started 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.920 calling her out publicly. But I think sometimes you need 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.400 to be called out publicly. Sometimes people need to and 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.600 sometimes that's gonna make you listen. If thousands of people 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.720 are saying your girl that she was terrible, if that's 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.880 the thing that's gonna make you listen, then yeah, if 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.320 there are other people who are saying something that is harmful, 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.920 that's not correct, and that's reaching a lot of people, like, yes, 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:02.440 sometimes you gonna get called out publicly. I will say 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.680 when I have my show. I mean I took umbradge 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.040 with people who would try to tell me how to 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:11.400 use my show, you know, like I there's an executive 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.159 we both know, yes, who sent me an email and 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.520 was like hey, I at a different company, had nothing 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.360 to do and was like, hey, I want to talk 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.480 to you and give you some pointers on your show. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.720 I ain't know him, like we were not host. It 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.560 fell out of pocket to me, you know, not like hey, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:30.680 just would love to just meet you and say hello, 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.320 but like I'm starting out critical, like I'm telling you 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.520 that you're doing something wrong and I'm the person that's 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.800 going to fix it for you. And I just felt like, 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.720 what's your right what's your success record? Because I haven't 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:45.520 seen the people you work with, I know what you do. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.320 Like why it just fell out of pocket to me. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.720 So I try to maneuver in a way with people 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.560 because like that's what you choose to do, then do that, 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.760 you know, Like I'm gonna stay in my lane, you know. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.280 So I don't know. I take your point about the 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.040 big picture, but your big picture is not gonna be 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.120 everybody's big picture. That's mine. 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:10.280 Yeah, I think that that is right, and I think 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:14.280 that some of my work is in accepting that right, 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.960 Like the thing that I think is most important is 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.080 not what everybody else thinks is most important. 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:20.840 My hope is that. 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.720 For our survival, for our liberation, we can have some 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.040 more alignment around that, because there are people that we need, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:29.760 and if there are people that we need that we 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.639 can convert, great. There are people that we need that 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.639 we can just potentially sway a little bit amazing. If 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.679 there are people that we need to call out and 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.720 leave out, Okay, I don't love that, but I get it. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.040 I just don't want to do that so much that 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.760 we end up not having anybody left, especially in this 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.480 space where we need. We don't just need all these voices. 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.040 We need a lot of activists and organizer types. And 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.920 there's some folks who are to the far extreme left 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:56.919 of me that I don't. 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:57.440 Want to leave out. 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.359 If we can still find some common ground, I think 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.199 that gets us back into the conversation we were having 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.040 last week about what's that twenty five percent? 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.159 And I was about like, I was like, Tiff had me. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:06.560 I was like, tip got me good. 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.720 When she was like, well, the twenty five percent is 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:09.480 you want a black people. 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:11.240 Then I was like, yeah, I didn't think about that part. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.640 But normally I wouldn't even be in the same room 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.880 with them, right, But like, generally speaking, can we find 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.280 enough to agree on to move in a forward direction? 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:32.639 Lolo dropped in the comments, we have a comment. 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