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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, this is a very very special day. I

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Speaker 1: get to share solo pod time with my dear sister

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Speaker 1: friend Tiffany Cross. We are here, y'all to talk about

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Speaker 1: black beef in these internet streets. We're supposed to be

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Speaker 1: joined by Van Lathan, who could no longer make it,

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Speaker 1: but we had such a good conversation yesterday to The

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Speaker 1: conversation was about how we solve for people who we

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Speaker 1: love in conflict, especially in such a critical time. You

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Speaker 1: remind us most podcasts right about what we're what's at stake.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we're under an authoritarian regime. The courts are turning,

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Speaker 1: media companies are turning. Certainly, Congress has, state legislators have,

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Speaker 1: and yet and still we got a lot of time, energy,

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Speaker 1: clicks and views on folks that want to focus on beef.

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Speaker 2: You were mad at me recently speaking of it beef, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you tell it, but because you thought

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Speaker 1: I was wasting my time on said internet beef. So

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Speaker 1: I want to get into that and then hopefully you'll

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Speaker 1: be with me, You'll be down with me to do

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Speaker 1: some type of a pledge and ask our people to

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Speaker 1: come to know.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what the pledge is. Why I wasn't mad

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Speaker 3: at Angela. I was disappointed, annoyed, annoyed. I was annoyed,

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Speaker 3: irritated it definitely irritated, frustrated, frustrated, all of yes, you,

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Speaker 3: thank you. You just put words to my feelings. Because

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Speaker 3: I am at home in my bed, sadly on screen

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Speaker 3: time scrolling through Instagram, and I don't want to give

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Speaker 3: this person too much attention or credit. But a very dark,

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Speaker 3: spirited person who I've never heard of, never seen, never

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Speaker 3: popped up in my timeline at all, and she was

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Speaker 3: just saying all these very degrading things about Angela. Not

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Speaker 3: over some personal beef, not over you know, like Angela

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Speaker 3: stepped on her toe and didn't say I'm sorry, like

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Speaker 3: nothing like that, but over a policy position in which

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Speaker 3: this woman happened to be missing formed, But over a

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Speaker 3: policy position that Angela was really just trying to explain

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Speaker 3: and express frustration. I don't we're trying to avoid saying

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Speaker 3: specific beefs because then we get into the beef instead

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Speaker 3: of the whole point. And I'm like, why is this

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Speaker 3: stupid chick even popping up on my timeline? Like I

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Speaker 3: don't even know. The language was so ugly. And then

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Speaker 3: I scroll and look at the comments. You know why

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Speaker 3: she was popping up with my timeline because this one

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Speaker 3: right here, Angela all up in the comments responding to

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Speaker 3: this girl. And this girl had like a couple hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand followers, Angela has like two million. So I'm like,

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Speaker 3: you just gave your whole The algorithm sees that and says, oh,

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Speaker 3: your your followers must want to see this engagement because

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Speaker 3: you're engaging her. And so in this rage machine, the

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Speaker 3: data is feeding me what it thinks I like, and

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Speaker 3: so it really inflated this person's point, which was not

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Speaker 3: Angela's intention. And so I know Angela has talked about

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Speaker 3: what she's gone through with her mom and just in life,

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Speaker 3: what we're all going through, and I just felt like,

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Speaker 3: why are you in the comments engaging this person? Now.

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Speaker 3: This is punctuated by there are beefs all the time,

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Speaker 3: in which Angela inserts herself. She is not the person

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Speaker 3: in the beef. But let's say me and Andrew got

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Speaker 3: a beef me Andrew don't have no beef. I'm just

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Speaker 3: using us as an example. Me Andrew got a beef,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, you know, Andrew ate my bag of

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Speaker 3: chips and I tell him those are my doritos. Don't

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Speaker 3: eat my doritos.

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Speaker 2: You need to use at example because now you're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Have people have dragging me for this as president.

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Speaker 3: Well, me and Andrew and you never really had no beef,

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Speaker 3: you know. But I'm just giving that as an example.

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Speaker 3: It got nothing to do with Angela. But she will

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Speaker 3: insert and be like, Okay, Andrew like, let's talk about it,

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Speaker 3: Tiff like, let's talk about it. Because she loves us both,

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Speaker 3: and so she wants to create this koon bay ya.

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Speaker 3: And my thought is, you know, I grew up in

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Speaker 3: certain ways. So one of the themes of how you grow

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Speaker 3: up is mind your business when they don't concern you,

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Speaker 3: you know, And so I feel like sometimes Angela should

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Speaker 3: mind her business. But Angela, but Angela said this is

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Speaker 3: how we even got this, how I even got on

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Speaker 3: the pockets we were talking about. Yes, but when I.

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Speaker 2: Said that to you, angel doesn't like to debate.

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Speaker 3: Clearly I'm in a debate now I'm being help forced

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Speaker 3: here to talk about this. So when I won't mind

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Speaker 3: my business because she wont my business. But when I

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Speaker 3: said that, what was your response? It is my business.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say that, but that's how I feel. I

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Speaker 3: think that, you know, I think there are two things present.

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Speaker 3: One is own man tip.

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Speaker 2: How are you gonna make me cry?

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Speaker 3: Oh God, she's gonna make me cry. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: keep talking so I don't cry.

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Speaker 2: No wait, wait, I have to say that. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna try.

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Speaker 3: So see this is this is don't give me, don't

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Speaker 3: get I'm not I'm refused.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to try. Okay. So I grew up with

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Speaker 2: a dad. So my dad is the oldest, he's the

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Speaker 2: oldest sibling.

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Speaker 1: He is the shortest boy, so he had to use

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Speaker 1: some extra like force to get his brothers to listen

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Speaker 2: Because they were younger, but they were bigger than him.

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Speaker 1: And so my dad's way of being is very much

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Speaker 1: a mediator. When my grandfather passed, he told him that

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Speaker 1: he had the responsibility keeping the family together because he's

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Speaker 1: the patriarch at that point. And I think my dad

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Speaker 1: and I are similar enough where I have even when

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Speaker 1: it's subconscious tried to emulate his behavior. One of the

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Speaker 1: things that my dad does so well that I'm so

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Speaker 1: proud of him for is there's not a person in

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Speaker 1: the community that he knows about that if he sees

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Speaker 1: them as voiceless or not being heard or not being

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Speaker 1: fairly represented, that he doesn't go and kind of take

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Speaker 2: I think it is the way of a good activist, right.

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Speaker 2: And I think.

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Speaker 1: On a more micro level, I had a very traumatizing

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Speaker 1: sixth grade year, very traumatic. I think we can all

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Speaker 1: find that one year where you were like, this year

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Speaker 1: was the worst year of my life and sixth grade

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Speaker 1: TIF I had a number of.

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Speaker 2: In my emotions.

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Speaker 3: My period coming up made me was it was it family?

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Speaker 1: No, it was it was all school stuff. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: like a number of occurrences where people would like they

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Speaker 1: would decide that I was like the enemy for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: Like my parents were. We did they did pretty well.

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Speaker 1: I always had new stuff. I think there was jealousy

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Speaker 1: around that, but I also felt very awkward. I was

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Speaker 1: flat chested, my teeth was crooked. I am bracest, yet

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Speaker 1: I peach fuzz on my lips. Someone are using full

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Speaker 2: It was like it was a rough year child, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: challenge and so and so it was. It was.

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Speaker 1: I felt I got picked on a lot. There were

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Speaker 1: times where like the bell would ring for recess and

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Speaker 1: I would be like, I do not want to go outside.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen today, And the.

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Speaker 1: People who were closest to me, I felt like, didn't

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Speaker 1: defend me. So by the time sixth grade was over, right,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not ever going through this again.

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Speaker 1: So sixth grade summer to the seventh grade year, girl,

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Speaker 1: my period came, my booth started coming in. I was

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Speaker 1: a little cute, I had braces, right, I was ready

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Speaker 1: for the world. No pun intended with the artist, but

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Speaker 1: like you know, I was ready and I can't. I

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Speaker 1: made up in my mind in that moment that I

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Speaker 1: would never be bullied again, and that nobody I love

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Speaker 1: would ever be bullied, right, like nobody. I didn't care

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Speaker 1: who with my dad, like whomever, I decided I was

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Speaker 1: didn't like that experience and I didn't want anybody else

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Speaker 1: in my world to have that experience. So seventh grade, TIF,

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Speaker 1: you will be pleased to know that that's the year

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Speaker 1: I got suspended. Why my friend Yolanda was in a

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Speaker 1: fight with Lamar Murphy Lamar, I love you, but I'm

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Speaker 1: about to tell all your business. Also in the book

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Speaker 1: Hope you don't mind, but Yolanda was He was picking

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Speaker 1: on Yolanda and I was like, leave how long we

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Speaker 1: were in pe. He didn't leave her alone. Lamar came

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Speaker 1: charged at me from across the room. I swung and

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Speaker 1: he hit Lamar roundhouse right. He drops to the ground.

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Speaker 1: Lamar is true. I'm sorry, that's what happened. So I

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Speaker 1: get suspend it. Yeah, and my mom wants to know

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Speaker 1: why I'm suspended for a battle that wasn't mine. My

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Speaker 1: dad is proud. And my point in saying that now

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Speaker 1: I'm not encouraging kids. Don't try this at home, don't

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Speaker 1: go and get suspended at school, don't fight, Nobody tell

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Speaker 1: on the person. Okay, be a snitch. It's totally fine.

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Speaker 1: But like I think that is core to who I am.

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Speaker 1: If voiceless or voice impacted by they weren't there to

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Speaker 1: represent themselves. You know, you hear about those times when

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Speaker 1: your name comes up in spaces like the letters written

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Speaker 1: about me in sixth grade where I wasn't able to

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Speaker 1: defend myself. You have a whole narrative about me, and

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Speaker 1: you knew different and you didn't defend me. And that's

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Speaker 1: really where it comes from.

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Speaker 2: And so I think it's deep. But I also see

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Speaker 2: it as a duty.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure there are times, like to your point,

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Speaker 1: where you're like, Okay, that's too heavy given everything else

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Speaker 1: that you're carrying. But I don't know another way of being,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I'm fine with it, particularly when it

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Speaker 1: is for people who I know are for the interests

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Speaker 1: of black people, even if their means to that and

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Speaker 1: is different, and even if they're misunderstood, but if I

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Speaker 1: know their heart is to liberate black people, to help

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Speaker 1: us get free, to create space for.

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Speaker 2: Us, I'm gonna I'm gonna rock with you.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, okay. So what Angela said when I said,

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Speaker 3: you know, this isn't your business all the time, she said,

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Speaker 3: it is my pleasure to defend people I love. So

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Speaker 3: hearing what you said to that, I would say, okay,

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Speaker 3: I hear that. So then you can come in and say,

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Speaker 3: because you think about all the people Angela's friends with,

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Speaker 3: we on the wrong opposite side of a lot of issues,

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Speaker 3: you know, So in that case, you can say, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know, if I feel like Andrew didn't mean to

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Speaker 3: eat your dorito, get back.

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Speaker 2: To the dorito.

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Speaker 3: And Andrew is a beef, you know, I wish, said Bakari,

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Speaker 3: he needs a beef, but just throwing the comb in there,

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Speaker 3: Andrew didn't mean to eat your doritos. And Andrew is like,

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Speaker 3: I ain't even eat her to READO you knows lyon

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Speaker 3: once you had made your first attempt to me, then

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Speaker 3: then that's it. Like what So it's a whole thing,

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Speaker 3: a whole like conflict going on where some people feel

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Speaker 3: away about about somebody said something publicly and a lot

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Speaker 3: of us had opinions about it, and people said something

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Speaker 3: and Angela felt, you know, like it's her responsibility to

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Speaker 3: and then be on your way. But like Angela, don't

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Speaker 3: box everybody until they agree with her. And to me,

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Speaker 3: that is for me as your friend, that is hard

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Speaker 3: to watch because it's like, girl, you like I do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because like your alignment is one thing, somebody else's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that is right, and I think

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Speaker 2: And I was about like, I was like, Tiff had me.

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Speaker 1: When she was like, well, the twenty five percent is

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Speaker 1: Open up your chat friend it says this looks like

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Speaker 1: Lashawn Walston. The real issue is all of y'all who

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Speaker 1: The ops oppressors just used those quotes for validation. And

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Speaker 3: Some people would argue that some of the folks you

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Speaker 1: thing if you think that, But they literally are in

433
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: our comments sometimes calling us the ops and shields and

434
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And I think that my reality of

435
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 1: it is is if there are our friends or people

436
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 1: who know us, like when you hear that, like on

437
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: the streets, not in these internet streets, because that's why

438
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: we're calling this the black beef in these Internet streets

439
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 1: because some things don't deserve an audience. But like if

440
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 1: you hear somebody outside saying that, like, refute that it

441
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 1: is wrong, it is incorrect. Like we want black people

442
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 1: to advance. We don't always agree and to and to

443
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: be liberated. We don't always agree on the pod, but

444
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: we definitely agree on the end.

445
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 3: Golf.

446
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 2: You know, there's no question.

447
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 3: That's what I was saying. I was telling Angela, Like,

448
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 3: if I'm saying something that Angela disagrees with, that a

449
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: lot of people disagree with. I don't expect that of Angela,

450
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,959
Speaker 3: you know, I don't expect her to go out and

451
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 3: defend me in every room if it doesn't align with

452
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 3: what you feel, or even if it does. I would

453
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,479
Speaker 3: never put that pressure on you, you know. Like I

454
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,239
Speaker 3: represent me and my thoughts, and I'm okay with that.

455
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 3: Like I can stand in the truth of what I say.

456
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 3: I have conviction in my beliefs, and I don't always

457
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 3: want to be responsible for things you say. Now, if

458
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 3: somebody in my presence is calling you, I hate to

459
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,479
Speaker 3: even give this. This girl on the internet was out

460
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 3: here talking about angel the high yellow bit. It was

461
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 3: just the most disgusting thing I was just looking like

462
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 3: what a miserable, unhappy person like this is so sad.

463
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: Now in that case, I kind of feel like that

464
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 3: person don't even deserve my attention. I'm like, oh, you've

465
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: lost me. You don't. I'm not a sounding board for it.

466
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: You can't stand in front of me and say that.

467
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna try to convince you otherwise because at

468
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 3: that point you've kind of lost credibility, you know, like

469
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 3: I don't really want to even talk to you about it.

470
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: I can just let that conversation giving you the energy

471
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 3: inflates it. Like what you focus on grows, you know,

472
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 3: like my focus is water and this flower, so it's

473
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 3: gonna grow. So we may just have a different a

474
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 3: pro to these things. But you gave the example of

475
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 3: like you and me, and like, you know, if we

476
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 3: got a beef, I don't. I really don't feel like

477
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 3: we'd be having to be but okay, but if we

478
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 3: just add we argue.

479
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: I think we argue.

480
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: I think I really don't know, like I to look

481
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 3: y'all tune into the show this week is we have

482
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 3: Natasha Brown on, who like we love so much, Yes,

483
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: and so you know, like if you have any beef

484
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 3: like she's the person in our Machete group who I

485
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 3: think is like the most honest and fair and can

486
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: like reach anybody. And so Angelo is saying like she

487
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: will call her like let me just you know, tell

488
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: you about Tiff, you know, which I think is a

489
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: beautiful thing, a safe space, you know, like it's like

490
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: it's good. But my typical thought is, I you stand

491
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 3: on the wrong side of an issue with me, or

492
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: I don't like how you handle this thing. I don't

493
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: like what you said to me. I like the way

494
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 3: you said. Whatever those things are. I feel it in

495
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 3: the moment. I'm address it in the moment. But if

496
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: five hours later you like you want to go eat, like,

497
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 3: let's go eat. It was only one time where I was, oh,

498
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to say, you're gonna tell me not

499
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: to say a public But it was one time I'm like,

500
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 3: I need some days. We were talking about something that

501
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 3: Angela didn't want to talk about on the podcast, and

502
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 3: I didn't like the way that she responded on the podcast,

503
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 3: and I was, you remember what I'm talking about?

504
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: No, but I'm sorry, I hate that I don't remember

505
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: what it was.

506
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: I just if you know my memory is bad, but

507
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 3: we were trying to We went to essence like not

508
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: long after, like days.

509
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't I can't remember what happened, but I remember.

510
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: Want me to say what it was about? Want because

511
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: Angela's every time I'm on stayed somewhere. She we have

512
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: like an energy where I feel like she don't want

513
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 3: me to say something publicly, so I won't see.

514
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: You can't you can you can't go?

515
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 3: Okay, it was about Diddy, it was about yes, yes,

516
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 3: And I did not like Angela's response, and so that

517
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: was probably one time where I'm like I need a

518
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: few days because I don't like how that went down.

519
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: You know, I was mad at her too. Yeah, we

520
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: were mad, like we're beriefing. But for me, I'm like,

521
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 3: I mean I could still go in a week, Like

522
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 3: I can go, I can go eat with you, I

523
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 3: can talk to you. My attitude is I don't want

524
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: to talk to you. Angel's attitude.

525
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: I feel like my my essence was messed up from that,

526
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I don't like that.

527
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: Well if it's just like I'm coming straight to you,

528
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 3: like I'm coming to you.

529
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 2: No.

530
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: But we didn't have time, so I was hoping that

531
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: we were going to be able to talk before the show.

532
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: We didn't get to talk before the show. We didn't

533
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: go to our normal events. So that was hard because

534
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: I know your heart is in the right place. It

535
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: sucks when we have a disagreement about strategy and then

536
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: it interferes with our relationship.

537
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 2: I don't like that, So I hate.

538
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: I don't like that, Like I'm like, oh, I'm gonna

539
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: talk to you, but I don't like to fight with

540
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: my friends. It Actually, I'm that little puff up is

541
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: more about sadness than it is about rage.

542
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: You know.

543
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, but even the way you handled that, Like

544
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 3: my thing is like I ain't fucking with you. Don't

545
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 3: need to talk to you right now, you know, but

546
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: I'll see you. Anngel's attitude is I'm coming straight to you,

547
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 3: like say if we need to talk, and I'm like,

548
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: le me your own and like no, let's talk, you know.

549
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: And so I appreciate that about you, you know, like

550
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: that is like no, oh, let's just ask this out.

551
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 3: But sometimes I just need a few days because I

552
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: don't have the expectation of you to be anybody but

553
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: who you are just and you shouldn't have the expectation

554
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: of me to be but who I am and I

555
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 3: require a lot of grace. And I think we all knew.

556
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: So if you require a lot of grace, you have

557
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: to be willing to give a lot of grace. And

558
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 3: sometimes for me to give that grace, I just need

559
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: a few days. I got a control issue, like I

560
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: like to be in control me too. And we were

561
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: on the phone earlier and Angela stuff ain't got nothing

562
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 3: to do with me. She's talking about her solo pod

563
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 3: and like what she want to talk about. And I'm

564
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: on the car. I don't even know business on the

565
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: call and I'm like, no, no, no, you can do

566
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: that next week because that is still be relevant. You'll

567
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: talk about Nigeria. This is what you say about it.

568
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, but Tiffy, just to be fair, this isn't

569
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: just tiff being out of her like Lane or out

570
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: of her not in my business, tiff is a producer

571
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: at heart, like so this is to be fair, I

572
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: think you need to give your speaking of grace, give

573
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: yourself some grace here because this is like, oh no,

574
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: this is feels like a better show.

575
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 2: We need that. We love the for that. So I

576
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: think that's fine.

577
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: Now I can't remember what you said beforehand, but it's

578
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: the point is you supposed to leave, but we got

579
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: two other comments. You way over to see.

580
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: I see these comments. I got my chat open. Now

581
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 3: you want me to read them or're gonna read them?

582
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

583
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: No, go ahead, Well says we can Kelvin, Kelvin, forgive me, Kelvin.

584
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: We can't to just be saying anything to our people

585
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: in this moment with all the disinformation and misinformation happening.

586
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 3: Good point. The reputable voices need to even more be

587
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: even more careful of what they say. DJ quote Crist says,

588
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 3: but yes, I would have rather Roland had called CTGU

589
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: to Charlemagne. He still could have done a video, but

590
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: first maybe have the convo offline. I don't know if

591
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: that happened. Do we know it did not? Okay, it

592
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: did not, and I was we were.

593
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: Trying to not get into specifics, but nobody know what

594
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: we're talking about since But it's not They're not the

595
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: only one. We just got to internet beef, right like

596
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: there was there was something else last week. There's you know,

597
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: there's constant things kind of happening. We talked reference to

598
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: another one with somebody that we don't know the other

599
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: videos that were made by people that we don't know,

600
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean the points necessarily were irrelevant, But

601
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: I just think the approach matters. You know, like people

602
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: say all the time, you win more bees with honey.

603
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: I am a vinegarbish and I'm trying not to be

604
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: because I think that you can be straight to the

605
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: point and not stab someone being straight to the point,

606
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: there's another way, And I really want to refine that.

607
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: Tif.

608
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: I think it's something that you're normally very good at.

609
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: You got to get to a very high point of

610
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: frustration to not be good at it that I just

611
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: want to say.

612
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: This here too. I think.

613
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: That we have gotten to an environment where the clicks

614
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: are more important than character and preserving relationship, and I

615
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: just want us to recenter on the fact that preserving

616
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: our community is more important than clicks right now. So

617
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: if you can have that offline conversation, have it. If

618
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: you need a witness, if you don't want me to

619
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: be there, TIF said, I need to find some business.

620
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: Fine, call the therapist.

621
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: You got all somebodiness.

622
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: Call somebody, apparently, my mama said, not us today. But

623
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: I am going up there just a minute. But we

624
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: we gotta figure out a way to love on each

625
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: other and where we are falling short, where we have

626
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: a blind spot, where we have a growth edge, give

627
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: each other the space to do that. That's one of

628
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: the things I love the most about our Machete Crew

629
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: TIF because we do give each other that too.

630
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: We push, but if.

631
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: Somebody come for one of y'all, we like where we

632
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: gotta be right, Like where we gotta where we gotta

633
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: squabble up. Yeah, And I think that's important to you

634
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: want to have those safe spaces people that you know

635
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: will defend your honor when you can't, maybe when you're tired,

636
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: or maybe where you have a blind spot. But like

637
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: we need that, and I think it's okay to love

638
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: on each other enough to do that.

639
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: Your mindful of my boundary.

640
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's all I want. Like, just protect me, that's.

641
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: All I'm promising, y'all. And can you guys please just

642
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: do me a favor. Reach out to Tiff on Instagram

643
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: and let her know that she does, in fact like

644
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: to debate, and this prof.

645
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: So that they don't know about this, So I say,

646
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: I don't like to debate.

647
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: We did a podcast where you said that.

648
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: Okay, but they don't know about the conversation. Yeah, offline, yo,

649
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: Angela is like I think Angela likes the debate. I'm

650
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Speaker 3: saying I don't like to debate, but she is trying

651
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Speaker 3: to say, like, basically, you do like to debate, like

652
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: you debate all the time. I don't think that's like

653
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: my go to. I don't like to debate what I know,

654
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: you know, like if I feel a way, I'm saying

655
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Speaker 3: this is how I feel, and then if Angela says, really,

656
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Speaker 3: this is how I feel and it's something different for me,

657
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: I might have another like hmmm, I don't know. I

658
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Speaker 3: just I don't agree with that last point you made,

659
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Speaker 3: but I got you. I when it starts becoming like

660
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Speaker 3: you're trying to convince me of something, I'm like, yeah,

661
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: I got it the first time. Like I don't. I

662
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: would rather like I listen for understanding. Like my test is,

663
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Speaker 3: can I repeat back to you your position and if

664
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Speaker 3: I say it to you and you feel like yeah,

665
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Speaker 3: that's how I feel, and then I can say, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so I understand it. I don't agree at that point

667
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 3: to me, the conversation is over at that point, Like

668
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Speaker 3: you know how I feel. I know how you feel.

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Speaker 3: It's okay. I wanted to just say real quick too

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Speaker 3: about the comments because I told Angela Is before we

671
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Speaker 3: were on the air, there were a lot of comments

672
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: around when Charlemagne was on the show and when you know,

673
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: we were talking about black intellect, and there was so many

674
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: comments that were like Tiffany's elitist and she's classifiant. Ugh,

675
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: my sister act just like her. That's why her and

676
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Speaker 3: oh I got a family full of people like her.

677
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: That's all like being around them. And I can take it,

678
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: you know, I could like I don't. I don't live

679
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: in service. I'm not a slave to the comments. But

680
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: I do appreciate the engagement for the show, even in disagreement.

681
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: But reading some of those comments, I really read them like.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love you.

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Speaker 3: Guys, you know, because my thought was, however you feel

684
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Speaker 3: about the conversation, I am yours and you are mine.

685
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 3: This is a family conversation that is just not had

686
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Speaker 3: anybody outside of us started weighing in. I'm like, you

687
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: don't even belong here, so what are you doing?

688
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: This is we did not welcome you Hall.

689
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: This is my point. If you had a family dinner,

690
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: and you know, you're like, oh, mamma, get on my nerves,

691
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: she said, blah blah blah. But if a guest from

692
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Speaker 3: outside is in there talking about, yeah, your mamma, get

693
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Speaker 3: on my nerves, if you like, hold on, hold hold on,

694
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: like you don't have the right to do that. So

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Speaker 3: I look at the conversation around black intellect like that.

696
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Speaker 3: And so even the people who were mad, even people

697
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Speaker 3: saying I don't even know somebody's I don't even know

698
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Speaker 3: her and I want to cheat on her what I'm way,

699
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Speaker 3: you wouldn't have a chance, stupid. But even that, it's

700
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: still felt very familiar, you know. And so it's like, yeah,

701
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: y'all are mine. If even if I don't respect your opinion,

702
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: even if I think you'd be on some ignorant shit,

703
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: sometimes you are mine and I am yours, and there's

704
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Speaker 3: nothing you could do about it, and nothing I could

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Speaker 3: do about it. On this side of the divide, when

706
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Speaker 3: they come fall us, ain't nobody gonna be like, oh, well,

707
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Speaker 3: you smart and you not, or you know this or

708
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Speaker 3: you said this or whatever. It don't matter. You gonna

709
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Speaker 3: be mad to hear this.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you now so there were some

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Speaker 1: moments where I was defending your honor, especially around that

712
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Speaker 1: those last couple of podcasts, and the main thing I

713
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: would say it, I was like, it's so fascinating that

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Speaker 1: people's read on Tiff is that she's elitist and unapproachable.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Tiff is the one I can't if

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Speaker 1: I told you this or not, but I'm like, Tip

717
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: is the one on all of our well, I'm gonna

718
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: tell the audience now, all of our machete trips that

719
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: becomes close personal friends with the wait staff, with the chef,

720
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Speaker 1: with like whomever, and then or like an uber driver,

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00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: like reminds me the most of my dad. Is actually

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00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: the thing I admire the most of my dad. We

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Speaker 1: will be in a space for a few moments and

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Speaker 1: he will find a way to find common ground with you.

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Speaker 1: And Tiff is that person. So it's always shocking to

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Speaker 1: me when I hear her say something.

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Speaker 2: I'm like this, Hey, I don't have seen you act.

728
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Speaker 1: Like this, but she is talking about something very specific,

729
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Speaker 1: and I think people have expanded a very specific conversation

730
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Speaker 1: to think that's how you are in life. But that

731
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Speaker 1: is where I get protective and arguably even defensive because

732
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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you don't know her, that is not her.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm probably the bigger asshole between the.

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Speaker 2: Two of us, and it's not on purpose.

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Speaker 1: I just got anxiety and I don't show up well

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Speaker 1: initially in social settings.

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Speaker 2: I gotta get comfortable. Tiff is like, hey are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have she's talking these people's dogs.

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Speaker 1: I be protective of Tiff when she's talking to people's

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Speaker 1: dogs and the people are rude, I'd be like, she'd be.

741
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Speaker 2: A nicety, y'all dog. So that is like my normal disposition.

742
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Speaker 1: I'm fiercely protective of the people all love, even when

743
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Speaker 1: they didn't ask for it. But I don't apologize for it.

744
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing. I just love y'all.

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Speaker 3: Apologize. I just I don't. I just you know, I

746
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Speaker 3: don't have that expectation of you. And I know who

747
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Speaker 3: I am, and so somebody who doesn't know me, of course,

748
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 3: they can receive or perceive something you know a certain way.

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Speaker 3: And there are so many people who I don't know

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Speaker 3: who do identify with, you know how I feel. I

751
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: thought that was a really interesting thing in some of

752
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: the comments. It was a clear gender divide one which

753
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: I yes, yeah, who feel a certain way, and there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of black women who feel a certain way

755
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Speaker 3: about me, who feel like thank you for finally saying this,

756
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Speaker 3: and sometimes they would take it a step further. I'm like, oh,

757
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Speaker 3: I wasn't exactly saying.

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00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: See what I'm saying, And that's so I was like, no,

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Speaker 2: let me tell y'all.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some so it became a conversation that was bigger

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Speaker 3: than me. But I truly do like I I am

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Speaker 3: rooted in my beliefs and it's it's okay, you know,

764
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Speaker 3: like I don't regret anything I said around that conversation,

765
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Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't hold ill will for you

766
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Speaker 3: know people, I'm not trying to convince somebody of who

767
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Speaker 3: I am, you know, like.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fine, but I just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna watch nobody lie on you either.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that there is a fine line distinction,

771
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Speaker 1: but there is a distinction. And I think if I'm

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Speaker 1: in a space where I can be like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know that's not true, I'm not cool with that. You're

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Speaker 1: definitely not gonna say it in my presence I'm fine

775
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: with that. I think it's that's my boundary, Like you're

776
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: not going to disrespect people I love or misrepresent.

777
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: Who they are in the world because of your own.

778
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: Stuff, like your own insecurities, your own you know, shortcoming,

779
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: your own triggers, you know, like you don't get to

780
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: put like paint this person into being this way.

781
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: And I think you know, especially.

782
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: Happen everywhere.

783
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: It does, but if it's in front of me, I'm

784
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: not going to stand for it. It's the same thing

785
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: as like, you know, when you were leaving MSNBC, not

786
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: by choice, but there's articles coming out misrepresenting you, misrepresenting

787
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: your characters, like maligning your reputation. I'm going to defend

788
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: you against that as well. And I think that is

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Speaker 1: our It's not just my honor. I think it is

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00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: our duty to make sure that we protect people who

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00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: we know are doing the right thing, are doing it

792
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: for the right reasons, and we have the ability and

793
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: the power to leverage our influence to ensure that they

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00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: are protected. That is what I think about it, and

795
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see it changing. That is something

796
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: that again I take honor in doing. And I think

797
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: that there are times where like you know, it might

798
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: go from honor to argumentative and I could probably lighten up.

799
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: I need to be more mindful of that, of that shift.

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00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: But I don't regret that at all.

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00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: Well, but I think that's a little different. Like when

802
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: there is a machine powered by whiteness that aims to

803
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: destroy one of us, then yes, for sure, but.

804
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: I think that this machine is powering these bots. That's

805
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: what I think. Bots.

806
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the bots like I don't engage. But when

807
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: there are real people, you know, who have thoughts or

808
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 3: opinions about something that we expressed or said, or something

809
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: that somebody else expressed or said, you know, I do

810
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: feel you know, like sometimes it's like, yeah, okay, that's

811
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: how you feel.

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00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: And you know, the funny thing about this comment drag

813
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: that Tip got for me is Tippy in the comments

814
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: more than me.

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00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: Now, her argument is gonna be but I be in

816
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: our comments.

817
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: I do. Yeah, And like I am when people comment

818
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: on on YouTube and Instagram, I do. I'd like to

819
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: see how the show is performing, how much engagement we have.

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00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: I can't read every single comment, obviously, but I like

821
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 3: maybe one out of ten comments, like I'm just reading

822
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 3: to get a sense of what people are saying. They

823
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: telling us we gotta rap.

824
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: So I see, but but yeah, I do.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys weighing in and you know, and

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Speaker 3: and I I want to say also thank you to

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Speaker 3: producer Lolo all the people in our arm services who

828
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Speaker 3: are serving. We do want to say we honor today

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Speaker 3: as Veterans Day. You know, I know it's a really

830
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Speaker 3: challenging time when Pete Hegseth I think has worked a

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Speaker 3: lot of what's happening in our d O D and

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Speaker 3: dishonors a lot of the you know, the people in

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Speaker 3: our arm services men and women. I want to say,

834
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Speaker 3: we honor you and see you uh and and sleep

835
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 3: under the blink of the protection you provide, as Jack

836
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: Nicholson said, and a few good men and so we

837
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Speaker 3: just respect and want to send you that honor.

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to dedicate today, just since

839
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Speaker 1: you brought up Pete Hegseth to the former Joint chiefs

840
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Speaker 1: of Staff CQ. Brown, Today's day will be dedicated to

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Speaker 1: c Q.

842
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: Brown.

843
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: So if you guys want to go ahead and go

844
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: over to Pete Hegseth's social media, let them know y'all

845
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: think about c Q round today who the Trump administration fire,

846
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: probably because they were threatened by this black man h

847
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: and all the DEI greatness and excellence he brought to

848
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: the table. Instead, they got a Fox News host as

849
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: the Department of Defense secretary. But first, so Lolo also said,

850
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Speaker 1: can you also make a mention of how to submit questions? Yes,

851
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: please make sure you all send in your videos to

852
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: our Instagram dms. You can send in a video preferably

853
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: what's this landscape? Landscape?

854
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 3: One is vertical?

855
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 2: Portrait? Vertical? I think it's portrait.

856
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: Anyway, Just send in the video with your phone straight

857
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: up like this.

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00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: That's what we're trying to say, Like this, send in

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00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: to us. Try to keep it to sixty seconds or left.

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00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: Make let's make sure you say your name and where

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00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: you're from, and we always try to get to those questions.

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00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: Our question, ombudsman is right here, sitting here, Tiffany Cross.

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Speaker 1: You make sure that your voices are presented on every

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Speaker 1: Native Lampod show. I have kept my sister about thirty

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Speaker 1: five minutes over her exit time.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna honor her boundary and she's got to go.

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Speaker 2: So thank y'all so much. Welcome home, y'all see soon.

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Speaker 3: My guys.

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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows.