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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get

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Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about immigration enforcement as the Trump administration targets

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Speaker 1: sanctuary cities across the country, including cities like Chicago. My

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Speaker 1: next guest is Jonathan Fahee. You've probably seen him on

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Speaker 1: Fox News. He is the former acting Ice Director for

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Speaker 1: President Trump. He also served in his Department of Homeland

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Speaker 1: Security and worked on the White House Drug policy as

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Speaker 1: a general counsel for President Trump. He's also a seasoned prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: so he's a guy that's got a lot of expertise

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Speaker 1: on all of these core issues that we're going to

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Speaker 1: be discussing today. So we're going to dive into the crackdown.

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Speaker 1: Also a lot of these legal challenges that President Trump

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Speaker 1: has faced, and how hard is it to be an

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Speaker 1: ICE agent today, especially you know, Jonathan worked during the

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Speaker 1: first administration, but think about how challenging it's got to

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Speaker 1: be today after Biden let in millions of illegal aliens,

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Speaker 1: cartel members, terrorists. I mean, talk about how hard that's

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Speaker 1: got to be. So we've got a lot to dig into,

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Speaker 1: and I promise you we're going to unpack all of

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Speaker 1: it with Jonathan Fahey.

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Speaker 2: Well, Jonathan, it's great to have you on.

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Speaker 1: I've interviewed you when I've filled in on Fox and Friends,

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Speaker 1: but I haven't had you on the podcast yet, So

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you making the time and it's great to

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Speaker 3: Great to be here and thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: And there are no shortage of topics to discuss around

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Speaker 1: you know, ice and immigration and Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a lot to cover.

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Speaker 1: I want to start just by these enforcement operations in

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Speaker 1: like Massachusetts and Chicago and President Trump going into some

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Speaker 1: of these blue sanctuary city areas. Also, Tom Homan has

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Speaker 1: signaled that look, there's going to be a wider federal

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Speaker 1: crackdown coming out up across the country. What do you

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Speaker 1: think will see and sort of what's your initial reaction

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Speaker 4: I think it's a great what they're doing with the

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Speaker 4: sanctuary cities, particularly you know, Chicago and Massachusetts for a

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Speaker 4: couple of reasons. One, you know, as you know and play,

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Speaker 4: everyone that listens knows these sanctuary cities. You know they

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Speaker 4: they are sanctuaries for criminals. What they do is shield criminals,

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Speaker 4: meeting people who are convicted, arrested in state court from

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Speaker 4: being turned over to ICE and deported. They try, they

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Speaker 4: always claim, meaning the Democrats that support and claim they're

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Speaker 4: doing something else, but that's actually what they're doing. Everything

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Speaker 3: But I think it will be effective.

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Speaker 4: One, because these places are shielding criminals, leaving them out

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Speaker 4: go out arrest these people and get them deported, which

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Speaker 4: is good for everyone. But the second thing that's really

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Speaker 4: beneficial about it, you'll have these places like Chicago and Massachusetts,

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Speaker 4: which the politicians is there actually elevate themselves by continuing

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Speaker 4: to do, you know, be sanctuary cities and shield people and.

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Speaker 3: Fight ICE and fight Trump. And that's probably not going

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Speaker 4: But there's so many other of these sanctuary cities that

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Speaker 4: greater degree with ICE because one, they don't have, you know,

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Speaker 4: And two, their politicians may not be as committed to

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Speaker 4: show at every chance of these anti ICE, but these

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Speaker 4: other jurisdictions may decide it's in their interest to cooperate

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Speaker 4: at least some degree with ICE. So I think it

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Speaker 4: will have an enormous impact not only on the places

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Speaker 1: Well, that's an interesting point too, because we saw, you know,

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Speaker 2: Some of these other mayors do.

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Speaker 1: And then now she's like, no, this is good for

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Speaker 2: So we'll be interesting.

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Speaker 1: To your point if we see any of these other

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Speaker 2: But you know that's to be seen.

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Speaker 1: How difficult do these sanctuary cities make it for ICE

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Speaker 1: just sort of the challenges that these sanctuary cities create

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Speaker 4: They create an enormous challenge to their job, and they

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Speaker 4: they put the ICE agents in greater danger and the

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Speaker 3: And I'll go through it sort of one at a time.

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Speaker 4: But what they do like a place to cooperates with ICE,

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Speaker 4: within their sheriff department cooperate with ICE and processing illegal

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Speaker 4: if an illegal alien gets arrested today, just hypothetically, if

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Speaker 4: they would go through the judicial process whatever their charge was,

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Speaker 3: It also doesn't take a lot of resources.

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Speaker 3: ICE then has to go out find that criminal. That

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Speaker 4: They have to do an arrest plan to arrest them,

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Speaker 4: that takes time and resources. They usually have to use

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Speaker 3: They're also likely to be dangerous.

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Speaker 4: So in those cases, ICE would have spent lots of

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Speaker 4: resources in terms of money is exponential, but in terms

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Speaker 3: And the irony is which which these you know sanctuary

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Speaker 4: About, oh, we don't want the law abiding illegal aliens,

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Speaker 4: which is kind of a contradiction in terms, we don't

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Speaker 3: ICE has a.

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Speaker 4: Responsibility to not let them go if they're here illegally,

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Speaker 4: the communities these democrats act like they're fighting for which

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Speaker 4: And when you don't have a sanctuary city, we could

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Speaker 2: Well, and the challenge is too.

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Speaker 1: I mean when you were acting ICE Director, it was

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Speaker 2: How challenging is it.

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Speaker 1: To be the ICE director today after four years of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so much harder.

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Speaker 4: If you think about because at minimum, the Biden administration

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Speaker 4: led in probably ten million new illegal aliens. And again,

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Speaker 4: like you said, we don't even know who they are, right.

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Speaker 4: We know there's probably within the group they're criminals, terrorists,

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Speaker 4: it just shows how unconscionable what the Biden administration did

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Speaker 4: this was in my view, deliberate because they think it

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Speaker 4: which is really interesting. They're so careful describing illegal aliens,

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Speaker 3: But what that did was, Okay, we brought in.

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Speaker 4: Ten more million people at least to the probably you

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Speaker 3: So it puts this enormous burden on Ice and on.

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Speaker 4: Us as citizens because we you know, we get we

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Speaker 3: And we knew back.

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Speaker 4: Then that this was the game that the Democrats would play,

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Speaker 4: which seems inherently reasonable.

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Speaker 3: And when I think that's lost in all of this.

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Speaker 4: When people are complaining about Trump, complaining about Ice, Trump

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Speaker 4: That's hard to believe we're there, and it's truly hard

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Speaker 4: And none of them that I'm aware of, have stood

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Speaker 3: But you know, when they're you know, like you said,

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Speaker 4: And remember one of the Gestapo commenters was Tim Lowles

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Speaker 4: And again they're doing their job, which is to you know,

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Speaker 4: And I think what's really helpful about this, which is

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Speaker 3: So I think all of it's appropriate.

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Speaker 4: I think the one thing I think that's different with

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Speaker 4: It's almost like you get two first administrations, but the

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Speaker 4: you know, like it's almost like in life, you always

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Speaker 4: look back and like, oh if I knew all these

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Speaker 4: things that when I was younger, I could have done

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Speaker 4: all these things. They almost have that benefit that the

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Speaker 4: benefit of hindsight, but the ability to use it in

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Speaker 4: think were being thought of beforehand, you know. But the

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Speaker 4: Alien Enemies Act, I think it was a brilliant use

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Speaker 4: and it seems like every time something gets shut down

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Speaker 4: by a court, the Trumpet miss has another plan to

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Speaker 4: back that up. But all of it is the best

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Speaker 4: part of everything they've done, in my view, is the

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Speaker 4: messaging has been so strong, and that's why we've had

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Speaker 4: you know, what's the number, one point six million people

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Speaker 4: voluntarily left. But I think the messaging on the cartels

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Speaker 4: is super strong. You're not going to want to be

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Speaker 4: a member of the cartel, or you're not going to

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Speaker 4: look at things as easy money. When your risk of

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Speaker 4: getting arrested is higher, you might get your risk of

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Speaker 4: getting killed as higher.

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Speaker 3: So all of these things are going to have an impact.

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Speaker 4: It's not going to eliminate everything, or everything won't be

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Speaker 4: immediately great.

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Speaker 3: But if you look at these.

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Speaker 4: Drug overdose numbers, which we should find out, you know,

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Speaker 4: guess is they're going to be substantially lower, and a

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Speaker 4: lot of that is going to be attributed to what

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Speaker 4: the Trump administration is doing on the cartels and also

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Speaker 4: doing on the border, because remember under Biden border agents,

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Speaker 4: sadly we're basically processing migrants. I heard stories of people

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Speaker 4: basically agents having to babysit migrants as opposed to stopping

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Speaker 4: drugs from coming through and other things. So all of

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Speaker 4: these things are great, but the messaging I think has

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Speaker 4: been outstanding on all of these issues.

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Speaker 2: You've got to take a quick commercial break.

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Speaker 1: If you like what you're hearing from Jonathan Fahe, please

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Speaker 1: share with.

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Speaker 2: Your friends and family.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know that you previously served as the General

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Speaker 1: counsel for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.

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Speaker 1: President Trump really does seem like very committed to stopping

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Speaker 1: fentanyl from coming across the border from you know, trying

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Speaker 1: to save lives when it comes to.

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Speaker 2: You know, these.

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Speaker 1: Cartels and just bringing drugs across the border that could

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Speaker 1: potentially kill American citizens.

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Speaker 3: He's been great on this issue.

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Speaker 4: And I think if you look back, and I don't

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Speaker 4: know if it's you know, part of you know, his

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Speaker 4: brother having substance abuse issues, without that, I.

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Speaker 2: Was kind of thinking too, like it was like a

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Speaker 2: personal you know.

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Speaker 3: He is he is very tuned into this issue, like

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Speaker 3: very sensitive to this issue. So he's it's interesting the

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Speaker 3: way he views it because yeah, tough on the cartels,

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Speaker 3: but he's not insensitive to people that have issues.

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Speaker 4: And we all have somebody, you know, in a close

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Speaker 4: friend or family member that all going.

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Speaker 3: Through these issues.

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Speaker 4: So he has he really does have a great perspective

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Speaker 4: on it because he's never drunk or done drugs, but

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Speaker 4: he has you know, his brother, and I'm sure he

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Speaker 4: knows other people in his circle that.

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Speaker 3: Have had these issues.

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Speaker 4: So he was really tuned into it in the first

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Speaker 4: administration and has tuned into it now on both the

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Speaker 4: enforcement level, but also, hey, what's the way to help

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Speaker 4: the people here that are, you know, maybe addicted or

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Speaker 4: having other types of issues. How can we help them?

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Speaker 4: What are what are different ways we're creative ways to

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Speaker 4: help them. So yeah, I do think his perspective on

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Speaker 4: it is great. And it's another thing with the Biden administration,

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Speaker 4: you know, I know, you know I'm going to talk

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Speaker 4: about you know, Biden was basically a sleep of the switch.

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Speaker 4: But his administration and it seemed like they were never

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Speaker 4: even talking about overdose tests. I mean, I'm sure occasionally

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Speaker 4: they were, never seemed to be a high priority on

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Speaker 4: the treatment end or the enforcement end. And you look

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Speaker 4: at the Biden administration, I think the average was one

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Speaker 4: hundred and one thousand overdose tests per year during the

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Speaker 4: Biden administration, which is staggering if you think about four

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand people. And under the Trump's first administration the

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Speaker 4: number was roughly seventy five thousand per year, So up

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Speaker 4: substantially just from Biden to Trump. But it's going to

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Speaker 4: go down next year, or at least by prediction is. But

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Speaker 4: they're you know, part of solving any problem is focusing,

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Speaker 4: buying attention.

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Speaker 3: And resources on it. Is a lot of times half

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Speaker 3: to battle anything you do.

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Speaker 4: It's like, hey, if I spend more time doing this,

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Speaker 4: things will generally get better.

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Speaker 3: So I think all of these things, you know, we

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Speaker 3: will see.

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Speaker 4: But my prediction is next year these numbers on the

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Speaker 4: drug overdoses and other metrics are going to be very

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Speaker 4: favorable in terms of for the American people, which is

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Speaker 4: a good thing for all of us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think they're doing a great job.

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Speaker 1: And as we pointed out in this conversation, they're dealing

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Speaker 1: with a lot, you know, like activist judges, an influx

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Speaker 1: of you know, dangerous illegal aliens, like it's you know,

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Speaker 1: democrats panning a target rates like there there's all in

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Speaker 1: ins an onslought coming at them, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: think they're doing a great job. Jonathan Faye, really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you making the time today. Thanks for sharing your knowledge

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Speaker 1: and expertise with us. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Have a great time.

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Speaker 1: That was Jonathan Fahey, former acting ICE director. Appreciate him

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Speaker 1: making the time for the show. Appreciate you guys at

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Speaker 1: home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 2: You can listen throughout the week.

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Speaker 1: I also want to thank John Cassio and my producer

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Speaker 1: for putting the show together.

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Speaker 2: Until next time,