1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Hey, we've got our buddy Ryan Roland Smith joining us 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: right now. Mariners TV Analysts, top Set podcast, great accent, 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: just the whole thing working for him and he's covering 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: one of the best teams in baseball right now. 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: Ryan, Great to have you on here. Yeah, and the 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: head I'm ready to go to a game here in Baltimore. 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: He had no. I it's Look, it's been fun, man, 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: since the since the trade Deadline'm not gonna lie a 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: completely different feel with this team because this is really Look, 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: they've been really aggressive every trade deadline the last couple 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: of years, but this is the first time where it's 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: like there's no like justification or explaining the move, right, 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: It's basically like, Yep, you wanted the offense. You're banging 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: that dramall off season and into the season. You want 15 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: that extra piece, extra pieces offensively, and they got it. 16 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: Here it is and there's no like yep, twenty twenty 17 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: five and that's it as opposed to, you know, trying 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: to work around the edges or add this because it's 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: a future move or we're trying to have controllable players 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: or whatever it is. And then everyone's fired up. Man, 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: they try stand that took nine to ten. You know, 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: they had the Etro weekend. It was just it's just 23 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: a really good thing happening right now in Seattle, that's 24 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: for sure. 25 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: Did it need to be at the trade deadline? Did 26 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: it need to be a move that was like, hey, 27 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: we're you know, as a front office, we're looking at 28 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: it like I don't know ownership, I don't know how 29 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 3: good this team really is. Is Julio really good? We'll 30 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: wait and see till the trade deadline. Because Suarez wasn't available, 31 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,919 Speaker 3: Josh Naylor was available, you could have gotten another third 32 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 3: base back to come in and play that position all year. 33 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: They might not be tied right now, they may be 34 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 3: up on the Astros. 35 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: You're talking gone back into the off season right in 36 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: regards to making those music, Well, put it this way, man, 37 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: like the Marylands. You know, as we know free agents, Man, 38 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: it's competitive. It's sometimes it's more than just dollars and 39 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: cents to bring some of these guys in there. There's 40 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: more the guys into it, as you guys know, and 41 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: you go do a little bit of recruiting as well. 42 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: I feel like they're big draw card is where the 43 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: players where you get it via trade. And I feel 44 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: like coming out of twenty twenty four, their biggest chip 45 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: was going to be pitching, whether it was in the 46 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: minor leagues, anda a Triple A, or even in the 47 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: big leagues, dismantling that five man rotation, and they just 48 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: weren't willing to do that. They just period weren't willing 49 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: to do that. So that move really wasn't out there, 50 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: I feel like in the off season, and I feel 51 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: like because they weren't, like I said, willing to give 52 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: up their biggest strength. And then they get into a 53 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: season they kind of play, see how we go a 54 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: little bit. They were slipping behind the Astros, who, by 55 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: the way, were not very good at these last you know, 56 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: a couple of months in regards to how they were built. 57 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: They'll winning. I don't even know how they were winning, 58 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: to be honest with there, with all these injuries and 59 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: everything else. But you're looking at this going, man, well 60 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: how good are we? If the Astros are able to 61 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: get this lead in the West and we can't keep 62 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: up with them, you kind of ask yourself, well, how 63 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: good is this team? And so I feel like it 64 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: got to that place, and you know, we know cow 65 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: role the last couple of years has been vocal about it, 66 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: and they've gotten to a place now where it's like, 67 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: we've got five all stars on this team. We've got 68 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: a cow ruler who's having a historic year knocking over 69 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: like Johnny Bench and you know, heading towards Mickey Manlin 70 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: regards to home runs for a switch hitter, it's insane. 71 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 2: So this is the time is now, and it got 72 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: to a place where it was a month after month 73 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: is saying this team has something here, there's a good 74 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: young core of players you need to add, and it 75 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: took up into the deadline. Put it this way too, man, 76 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to give a ton of credit to Justin 77 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: Hollander because look they made the move with Josh Naylor 78 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: and you look at that and fans like, yeah, great, 79 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: we added and we added a player finally who's just 80 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: pure rental for twenty twenty five. But you're look at 81 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: that gun hold On. He's on the same team as 82 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: Juno Squires. What happened to that? We love Gino, like, 83 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: how come we couldn't pull that off? And Justin Hollander 84 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: that door wasn't closed. He just kept calling, calling, calling, 85 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: And by the way, on the on the bullpen side 86 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: as well. I think I a little disappointed they didn't 87 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: get another bullpen piece because I pushed so hard to 88 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: get that second guy in that ballp and a bridge 89 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: that gap to Brash and Munnos, but I got to 90 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: give it to him, and they just kept pushing, pushing. 91 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: I think that doing the deal with Josh Naylor a 92 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: little earlier, you developed that relationship where the DBAC say, yep, 93 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: we're happy with what we got. Thank you. You're happy 94 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: with what you got, all right, let's keep that door open. 95 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: And then I feel like the value for Gino just 96 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: kind of kept sort of slipping a little bit because 97 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: there's other options out there. And then they struck Man 98 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: and by the way, they didn't give up any of 99 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: their top one hundred prospects, so a plus at the 100 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: trade deadline. And to answer your question short in the winner, 101 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: I think if you were the goal was to go 102 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: get offense, you're probably gonna have to give up your 103 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: you know, your your biggest attribute, and that's pitching. I 104 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: just don't think that willing to do that. I'm kind 105 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,119 Speaker 2: of glad they didn't do that, honestly, you know, until 106 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: until this point. But why this year? Why not last year? 107 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: Why this year? 108 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 4: Is it just because of the cow rawle of the 109 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 4: year and what they look around at the West and 110 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 4: say the West is vulnerable this year. You kind of 111 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 4: you kind of glossed over a little bit, But is 112 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 4: that the main reason? Because Houston's banged up beyond unbelief? Right, 113 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 4: they're not, They're not the same Houston. Regman's gone, All 114 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 4: these guys are gone. Then you look at the Rangers, 115 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 4: they're not playing very well. The Angels are the Angels clearly? 116 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 4: Is this is why finally Depoto in the front office 117 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 4: was told, hey, you can do this this year, and 118 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 4: it's awesome. They didn't give up their top prospects. 119 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: It's yeah, that's the way. 120 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 4: It's supposed to work. But you know, in years past 121 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 4: they've had the ability and they've had a you know, 122 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,119 Speaker 4: a luxury of the starting pitching. But why in twenty 123 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 4: five is it because the West is just not as 124 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 4: good as it used to be? 125 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: I think so, I really did, man. I think it's 126 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: you know, gone back to last year again, twenty twenty four. 127 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 2: Gone back to that pitching, right, That's what kind of 128 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: that's what got them close. And whether or not there 129 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: was a move last year. Look that was still aggressive 130 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: and they still went and got you know, Justin Turner 131 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: and Randy rose Arena. I mean, they still got some offense. 132 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: They still got you know, Jimmy Garcia in the bullpen 133 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: as well, and they again weren't they didn't need to 134 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: give up a whole lot to get them, and so 135 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: they still were aggresive last year. Ye pride of that 136 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: they went and got Luis Castille, who was the biggest 137 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: piece out there, and they added to that starting pitching 138 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: wasn't as good as last year in twenty twenty three 139 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: to go get Luis Cassid to fill that void. And 140 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 2: that's kind of what the That was their anchor, that 141 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 2: was their you know called their aircraft carrier. That was 142 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 2: what it was going to take him to that next level. 143 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: So going into twenty twenty five and you guys know, man, 144 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: it's so tough to replicate what they got out of 145 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: their starting pitching last year. And that's kind of been obvious, right, 146 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: Bryce Miller goes down, he struggled. You had a situation 147 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: where George Kruby didn't start the year he was on 148 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: the IL. You had you know, Logan Gilbert missed seven 149 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: weeks as well, so you're not going to replicate what 150 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: they had in twenty twenty four. But I feel like 151 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: they went into this season saying, all right, yeah, we 152 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: might be limited in what we can do in regards 153 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 2: to going and getting paying money for free agent, but 154 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: we do have their capacity to make a trade at 155 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: some point, and the time was right. Man. They got 156 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 2: to a place as a group, as a team and 157 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: as a front office to say, all right, we're really good, 158 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 2: yet we know what we need. 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Try surf 186 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: Shark today. 187 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: All right, let's move ahead to the rest of the season. Now, 188 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: Henyo Suarez has got like a three thirty ops since 189 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: he's come over, and the nailer's got one thousand ops. 190 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: How do you see, because you see this team day 191 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: in and day out, how do you see pitchers navigating 192 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: the lineup differently with those two guys in especially even 193 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: because people will be like, oh, Suarez trade soft, like 194 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: he's not doing to me. You add a guy like 195 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 3: Suarez who will get hot at some point and carry 196 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 3: the team, but he's there all the time looming. Do 197 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: you see a difference in how teams are pitching and 198 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: navigating How he got a throw to a certain guy 199 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 3: that's feasting during this time. 200 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. The biggest shakeup, which was interesting coming out of 201 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: that deadline was you had you know, JP Croft was 202 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: at the top line. By the way, he's quietly having 203 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: a really good year and he was at the top 204 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: of line. As a matter of fact, I was kind 205 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: of hoping he was gonna make the All Star team. 206 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: Didn't happen. He's having an awesome year, but man, he 207 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: was struggling going into that trade deadline. He was struggling. 208 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: Then they get obviously Naylor, and then they get a Gina. 209 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: They come out of August first, you got to figure 210 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: out how you kind of put this line up together. 211 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: You put Randy at the top, Randy Rose Arena, who's having, 212 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: by the way, best power year as well, and plus 213 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: he's swiping a bunch of bags too. I think he's 214 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: already you know, beating his career best in stolen bases, 215 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: and so you look at that and say, all right, 216 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,599 Speaker 2: you've got the first one through. I'll throw Polanco in 217 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: there as well, because he's back to what he was 218 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: doing in April one through six. Man, it's a gauntlet. 219 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: It's tough because you look at that, there's no breathing room, right. 220 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: Kl is still getting pitches to hit, which I thought 221 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: after that home run derby, after that All Star break, 222 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: all right, they're gonna have to, you know, be a 223 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: little bit more careful with him. But he's still getting 224 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: pitches to hit, and he's starting to figure out that 225 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: swing as well. Three home runs in the last four games. 226 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: And then you've got right behind him Julio all of 227 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 2: a sudden, you know, August and September said it's a gaunt. 228 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: But now the biggest question was when you saw JP 229 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: go from the leadoff spot and you guys know, man, 230 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: like you see a guy lose his leadoff spot and 231 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: he goes he shuffles down to seventh. All right, how's 232 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 2: he going to react? Like, how's he gonna you know, 233 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: around the around the cage or in the dugout? Wherever 234 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: is he going to be that guy. But now that's 235 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 2: that's just not his style. Man. He's kind of come 236 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: in and basically said, so excited for what we've got. 237 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: Randyo Roserena wasn't upset about leaving the four spot behind 238 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: cal get more pitches. He's going to have to liadoff spot. 239 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: So everyone's pretty fired up about what they have in 240 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: this in this lineup. Now, you mentioned Gino hasn't quite 241 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: gotten hot just yet, but it's just a tough line 242 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: up to navigate, and the only breathing room you look 243 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: at and say, all right, you've got three left, he's seven, 244 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: eight nine, and see you're like, oh, they're going to 245 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: get matched up. But the problem is JP hits left. 246 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: He's pretty well and by the way, pitches per played 247 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 2: appearance is insane. So you've got seven to eight and 248 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: nine all of a sudden since the trade deadline, seeing 249 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: about four and a half pitches per plate appearance on 250 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: basis over four hundred and flipping that lineup back over. 251 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: So there's really no breathing room. Now. I know they 252 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: only put up a one run yesterday, but going back 253 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 2: to that homestand in Seattle, it was, man, it was relentless. 254 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: You could just have that feeling, and we just haven't 255 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: had that in Seattle. You've always had those pockets where 256 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: it's like, oh man, so it's coming up with two 257 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 2: outs and you know there's run around second. You just 258 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: feel like there's just gonna be that swing and miss. 259 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: Especially last year, it's just not the case. Right now. 260 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: I see August first and everyone can feel it. Man, 261 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: it's a lot of fun to watch. 262 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 4: Hey, you brought up Julio Rodriguez and he was a 263 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 4: controversial All Star pick because of where he's at. His 264 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 4: numbers are good. Now what changed though? What He's done 265 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 4: this for a couple of years. Now, wait where April 266 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 4: May even in the June, it's really kind of a 267 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 4: struggle and in July, August, September, come what what is 268 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 4: the difference in second half Julio and first half Julio. 269 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so going back to you know, last year, I 270 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 2: haven't had that big of a sample size. Really, It's 271 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: not like he's done it for six years. It's been like, 272 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: you know a couple of years there where he went 273 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 2: off as a rookie, expectations through the roof, and then 274 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: you know, going back to last year, right, last year, 275 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: he was just trying to reinvent the wheel. The guy 276 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: was like he was trying to have more plate discipline, 277 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 2: but he was he was getting he was kind of 278 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: taking away that aggressiveness on that first pitch. He just 279 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 2: wasn't I'm not saying the Mariners didn't allow him to 280 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: be an athlete, but I feel like with him, he 281 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: was just trying to He's trying to be you know, 282 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: super pro at bat and all of a sudden wear 283 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 2: a pitcher down or something. It's like they just go 284 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 2: and swing man, see the ball, hit the ball, just 285 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: rip it. And then this year it was kind of 286 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 2: this situation. I feel like where he hits everything, he 287 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: incides out to everything to right field and it's ridiculous. Man, 288 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 2: Like all comes off his bat just different to everyone else. 289 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: It just does. That's why all those ground balls can 290 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: just kind of shoot her. It's like he's playing on 291 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: a little league field. And then the big conversation was, 292 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 2: look in order to get the ball in the air 293 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: with some authority and get some power, some more of 294 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: the power numbers, because that was lacking. It's been lacking. 295 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: The first half. It's like he's so you know, undercooked 296 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: in regards to some of the power numbers, you know, 297 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: get the ball in the end of the pull side, 298 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: and I feel like he was trying to do that. 299 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: He was getting a little bit beaten inside. And then 300 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 2: right before the All Star break, it's like something click. Man, 301 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: he all of a sudden was able to get that 302 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: bad head out and he was launching balls in the 303 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 2: left field. Wasn't the ball in the ground, like when 304 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 2: you look at the ground ball rate to the left 305 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: side of the infields through the roof, but the exit 306 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: you is still good. I see he's still getting good contact, 307 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: but you just can't lift the ball. And then all 308 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: of a sudden, right before the break, I want to say, 309 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember who he took deep. I was 310 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 2: watching he got that spin, little spinn and breaking ball, 311 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: got the bad head out, cheated a little bit, and 312 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: he launched ones foul into the seats and I was like, oh, man, 313 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: I haven't seen I've never I haven't seen him do 314 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: that for forever. And then next piece, whack boom took 315 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,119 Speaker 2: one into left field, and so I kind of eliminated 316 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: just guys just beating him up middle ind in my opinion, 317 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: And now I feel like from that point. You know 318 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: he took you mentioned the All Star Game, you know, 319 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: controversial pick. He took that off because he wanted to 320 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: get some work in whatever it was. But now all 321 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: of a sudden, I feel like he's just got this 322 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: nice little He's in this groove where he can hit 323 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: that ball in the right center field with authority, but 324 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: he's just able to pick his spots where you can 325 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: just get that bad head out and cheat a little 326 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: bit on some of those pitches inside. So it's kind 327 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: of you can't just eliminate half the plate for Julio. 328 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: So I think there's a little bit of that and 329 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: plus two, I don't know what it is man psychologically, 330 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: if it's something where like you get to that point 331 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: where dust settles, trade deadlines, happened you had the All 332 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: Star break or the All Star game, you know, whether 333 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: you around your peers at the game or taking the 334 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: time off and you look seeing the finish line, you 335 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: just kind of have that nothing to lose sort of mentality. 336 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: I think maybe there's a little bit of that too. Psychologically, 337 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: he gets to a place where it's like, all right, 338 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: this is my swing right now. I'm not trying to 339 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: overthink it. I'm not trying to be more patient on 340 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: the plate because dude, he swings man still a ton 341 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: first pitch, like it's ridiculous, and it's like, just have 342 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: Adam and just swing, just be an athlete. So I 343 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: feel like there's a little of a combination of that. 344 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: But may what it is August September, he just lights up. 345 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: So it's it's a it's a good song for the Marinids. 346 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: And I think some people forget he's still not even 347 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 3: twenty five years old yet. 348 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: I get it. 349 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: Some guys have MVPs and all that stuff, but he's 350 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: a like he's still learning. So I mean, I think 351 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: it's cool that you you know, you you see all 352 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: those different things that he's learning. 353 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: To do in the big leagues. Yeah, for sure. 354 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: Last question, last question for me. Anytime I talked to 355 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 3: an Australian baseball player, I have to ask because I 356 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: haven't seen my friend Jared MANGIONI is almost exactly your 357 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 3: same age. Yes, do you know what he's doing? And 358 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: do you know who I'm talking about? 359 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: A dude on that manage? Of course of that Jared Mangier, 360 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: of course, what is he doing? Oh man, you stump me? 361 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: Know what he and I should know this man because 362 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: all the all the Aussies past and present, we all 363 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: tend to, you know, stay in the same circles. You know. 364 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: You guys had Grant Balfour on months ago. He's one 365 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: of my best friends. He was a groomsman at my wedding. 366 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: We're really close all the way down to everyone else. 367 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: So I should know what men Jerney's up to. I'll 368 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: find out though, Eric, I'll get back to you and 369 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: I'll find out exactly what he's doing. But there's a 370 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: that's a man, that's a name. I haven't heard it 371 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 2: for a long time. 372 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: Yes, Prospect with the Blue Jays that I played with 373 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: for for a few years. One of the guys, one 374 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: of the guys. 375 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: Yeah he was Yeah, he was good man. I remember, 376 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: like high school age, he was a stud. If the 377 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: thing is though in Australia, like I say that now, 378 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: if I say this all the time, if I grew 379 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: up in the States, yeah, I know A J's got 380 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: some boys right now playing you know the Showcase, doing 381 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: the Showcase rounds and all that. Yeah, I feel like 382 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: if I grew up in the States, man, I don't 383 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: know if I ever would have gotten a chance, dude, 384 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: because like you're a big fish a small point. So 385 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: I'll say me and Jerney was a study. He may 386 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: know the he was out in Australia because no one, 387 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: no one plays. So there you go. Ryan. 388 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 4: A couple of things. First of all, I mean I 389 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 4: can go back to like Darren Fidge. I mean games 390 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 4: that you guys are talking about. These guys, yeah exactly Williams. Yeah, 391 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 4: I mean baseball Australia. He's big time now yep, Willow 392 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 4: Pete Pete Moylan, you know, and he was, you know, 393 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 4: in jail with our hitting coach the same night. I mean, 394 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 4: I've don't do a lot of Australian stuff. Okay, all right, 395 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 4: so listen, but here's what I want to know. I 396 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 4: got two questions. Were you one we played in the 397 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 4: Hall of Fame game like it was like seven eight 398 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 4: years ago. Has your shoulder recovered from that yet? Because 399 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 4: it was the first time you touched the ball forever? 400 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 4: And then also, who has better hair in dress game? 401 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 4: You are Goldsmith because you guys have are always on 402 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 4: point with the hair and the dressing game. 403 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, now Goldsmith man rolls out of bed. He's just 404 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: got that lego hair about him. It's unreal, like it's 405 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: legit and it's got You have to cut one should 406 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: otherwise it goes all over the map. He doesn't need 407 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: to do that. It's pretty pretty on point a gold Smith, 408 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: that's for sure. Now the Hole of Fime, I do 409 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: have a story about that Hall of Fame classic real quick, 410 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: because I was fired up to pitch. Was Victorino there? 411 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: He might have been, yeah, I think so, yeah, he 412 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 2: might be. Well he he comes up to me and 413 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: a couple of the guys pitches like hey man and 414 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: Jack Wilson too, was like, hey, dude, make sure you 415 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: throw breaking balls, change ups. You know, we want to 416 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: make this competitive, not just like you know, just slogging 417 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: in there like this. I was like, yeah, no worries, 418 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 2: no problem. And my back was killing me because I 419 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 2: did that fun, that fun run thing in the morning too, 420 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: like the five K, Like I said, oh, I'll run 421 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: it like an idiot, and then my back was all 422 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 2: blown up. But I remember you were catching and I 423 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 2: was all fired up. Dude, like breaking balls, change ups, 424 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: warm up. You walk out to the man, You're like, 425 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: hey man, listen, don't be throwing any breaking balls. Change up, 426 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: just start right down the middle. Let's get the hell 427 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: out of here. I was like, dude, man, so there, 428 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: I am just coughing up just dudes with just lacing 429 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: balls everywhere because you were just going to the hosptball. 430 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 2: I'm like, Dade, I want to spin a breaking ball. 431 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: Let's go. It's been forever, let's go. So you ruined 432 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: it for me that way. Oh yeah, it's all my fault. 433 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 4: But but you know why I did that because the 434 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 4: year before I did it, and Kevin Gross did it, 435 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 4: and he's like he was a big curveball guy and 436 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 4: he had to have like arm surgery because he He's like, 437 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: I couldn't he blew his arm out the year before. 438 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 4: So I was like, dude, just lob it in there. 439 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 4: Let's get the hell out of here. You wanted to 440 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 4: go full like sliders on everybody. 441 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: Dude. I was waiting for, like you know, like in 442 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 2: spring Train this I roll it. I just just kept 443 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: crushing balls, and there was a popple. I was like, 444 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: what's his name, collos Pen You dropped us like a 445 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: bullock for the third out, and I'm like, dude, I 446 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: can't stay out here. Can we just roll this inning, 447 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 2: and I wouldn't roll it, so I just had to 448 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: keep just coughing it up. It was brutal. 449 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, c AJ had your back. He was trying to 450 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: look out for you and for any potential future surgeries 451 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: that you'd avoid. But anyway, Ryan, this was awesome man. 452 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for catching up with us. Great 453 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: to see you have fun calling obviously all the action 454 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: here and keeping track of what the m's are doing. 455 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: It's a fun follow right now. Good to talk to 456 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: you man, appreciate it. 457 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: Thanks guys,