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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of Too Much Information, the

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Speaker 1: show that brings you the little known facts and secret

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Speaker 1: history behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows and more.

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Speaker 1: We are your Divas of detail. Yeah, that'll do it.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna do more, but that's fine. My name

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Speaker 1: is Jordan run Tug and I'm Alex Heigel. And you know, folks,

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Speaker 1: we don't talk about this enough on this show. I

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Speaker 1: know I'm sort of known as the honorary Boomer of

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Speaker 1: TMI with all the talk about the Beatles and the

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Speaker 1: Beach Boys, and I'm doing a new show on the

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Speaker 1: Rolling Stones. But secretly, now many of you know this,

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Speaker 1: I'm a pop fanatic. I guess you saw a little

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Speaker 1: bit of that in the Barbie Girl episode. One of

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Speaker 1: the great joys of beginning my life as an entertainment

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Speaker 1: journalist and being forced to engage with contemporary pop culture

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Speaker 1: for the first time was that it turned me on

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Speaker 1: to some truly great pop music. And I have this

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Speaker 1: pet theory, Heigel. I'm interested here. We have to say

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Speaker 1: about this that two thousand and seven to twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: was a golden era for pop. It was a period

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Speaker 1: that I kind of roughly bookend between Rihanna's Umbrella and

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's nineteen eighty nine album. You've got Teenage Dream

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Speaker 1: with Katie Perry and it's record tying five number ones.

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Speaker 1: That's up there with Michael Jackson's Thriller. You've got those

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Speaker 1: great early Gaga records. You've got Miley Cyrus and her

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Speaker 1: pre Dead Pets Party in the USA Seven Things I

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Speaker 1: Hate About You era, You've got David Getta, You've got

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Speaker 1: Beyonce's Won two Punch with Sasha Fierce and four which

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Speaker 1: has Got Love on Top, which is my favorite Beyonce song.

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Speaker 1: Rihanna's truly peerless string of singles like Only Girl in

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Speaker 1: the World. In SMM, I've gone into a fugue state

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Speaker 1: and I forget what this episode's about. But what do

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Speaker 1: you think about that theory? I think it's a pop

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Speaker 1: golden era, which of those things doesn't belong. Why did

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Speaker 1: you put David Getta in there? He has this great

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Speaker 1: song with Kelly Rowland Coldwin Love takes Over and it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think your theory holds water.

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Speaker 2: I think to that and fourteen is interesting because to

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Speaker 2: me that's sort of the year when dubstep takes over

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Speaker 2: obviously you mentioned Rihanna and the Calvin Harris thing is

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Speaker 2: in there, but yeah, that's when, to me you really

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Speaker 2: start getting the E. D. M influence and everything that

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Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily there before.

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Speaker 1: That's really it's right, that's the year I think around

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Speaker 1: when like the Justin Bieber song that I hate with

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Speaker 1: Skillick's I think sorry for the other one? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know one of those, the one sorry is the only

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Speaker 1: Justin Bieber song. I actually like that song. That song

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Speaker 1: or what's it? Ware are you? I hate it so

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Speaker 1: much that I don't even know the title, but yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. And what was that song Omni Cheerleader.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's they all blended together for me for

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Speaker 1: a while. There's and there's like Marshmallow, there's in Dead Mouse,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't think Dead Mouse had any pop hits,

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Speaker 1: but that all sort of blended into the milannge of

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Speaker 1: that Really, I mean, I mostly remember people like flipping

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Speaker 1: out over scrillics. But to get back to your original point, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. I think it's also.

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Speaker 2: Swedes domination, right because now we're getting into like auturist

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Speaker 2: female pop with your like Lady Gagas and your Beyonces,

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Speaker 2: I mean not self contained. Beyonce has thirty people credits

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Speaker 2: on the song. But you take my meaning, Uh, there's

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Speaker 1: Only swedeless swedeless existence. Yeah, but yeah, that's no, that's

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Speaker 2: Let's just call it the Swedish school, mostly because like,

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Speaker 2: oh you forgot Kesha in there, but mostly because you know,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Luke was canceled and God Lover. I think Taylor

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Speaker 2: then we get into the Antonov era.

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Speaker 1: How much do you hate Jack Antonoff because you frequently

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Speaker 1: get mistaken for him. It's not a bad thing. I was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it really crystallized everything I hate about his

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Speaker 2: I mean in the annals of like counterintuitive, let's completely

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, I know, I'm saying in the annals of

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Speaker 2: like of taking a cover and reimagining it in a

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Speaker 2: it has earned its place in there.

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Speaker 1: Objectively, it is a piece of shit. Degree, I think

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Speaker 1: let's cover a song in a weird way, maybe because

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Speaker 2: I liked the saxophone. Yeah, no, I that was a

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Speaker 1: Anyway. But yes, Britney Spears, Yeah, I love pop. I

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Speaker 1: love Swedish era pop. Really, I mean the honorary Swede

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Speaker 2: great reasons, so we've decided to take a celebratory tact. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: one of the most maligned pieces of media that she's

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Speaker 2: ever been involved with, her two thousand and two film Crossroads,

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Speaker 2: and one that has disappeared from memory. Unless you have

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Speaker 1: is bad. We were young. Now we have a lot

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Speaker 1: justin forever stalinesque purge of Crossroads and Spice World from

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Speaker 1: s of my boomer tendencies. Yeah before my Dictator's vintage

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Speaker 1: please but yes. Crossroads two thousand and two, Britney's one

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Speaker 1: shortly after she dropped her third album, Britney in two

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Speaker 1: But you know, I wouldn't hold Britney accountable for that

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Speaker 1: because it's a weird movie. It's a weird choice, I

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Speaker 1: do some karaoke, which is fun. So you have you've

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Speaker 1: Well, I watched it in high school because a girl

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Speaker 2: It's a weird time capsule. I mean you look at

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Speaker 2: the cast. So we saw Donna, Tarren Manning, dan Aykroyd,

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Speaker 1: know what, now I'm looking at this it's not as

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Speaker 1: many as I thought. Strike that, strike that, reverse it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Brittany Yourself is described Crossroads by saying, it's quote about

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Speaker 1: this journey that the three of us best friends take,

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Speaker 1: getting our friendship back. Friends are all you have at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day and your boyfriend breaks up

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Speaker 1: with you, who do you call? Ghostbusters, Dan Ashwood, your girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: That's who. I just love that message. So that is

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Speaker 1: rounding out the cast, here is everything you didn't know

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Speaker 1: about Crossroads, starring Britney Spears. Appropriately enough, Crossroads is a

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Speaker 1: group effort from a huge number of talented women. The

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Speaker 1: movie was produced by Anne Carly, who had just left

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Speaker 1: Jive Records, which is famously Britney Spears' record label, to

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Speaker 1: pursue a career in film, and she took a job

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Speaker 1: You had some others. Yeah, I would have gone with

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Speaker 1: Easy Rider, and then you could have gone to Seenia

428
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Speaker 1: Aguilera as the Dennis Hopper role.

429
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Speaker 2: But they were really like bitter rivals in that movie.

430
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: They were like bros.

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, think of how great that would have

432
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Speaker 1: been if, like you had the professional rivals try to be,

433
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Speaker 1: you know, partners in a movie. It would have been

434
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Speaker 1: you would have he would have had that sizzle, that classic.

435
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: It's like, he's this once again, anyone listening. I really,

436
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Speaker 1: I fully intend to pitch the iHeart People show where

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00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: it's Higgall and I pitching sequels. I forget I had

438
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Speaker 1: a working title for that show too. I'm not a

439
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: Titanic episode. We spent like a half hour on on

440
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 1: Titanic sequels, pitching Jack Jack Yeah, happy Jack. Yeah, And

441
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: he is Jack the Ripper. That's the reason he gets

442
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: on the Titanic is that he's Jack the Ripper and

443
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Speaker 1: he's that the laws getting too close, they're closing in,

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00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 1: and he's fleeing. It's so I like your pitch. I

445
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: like your pitch for Natural Born Killers with Freddy Pritt's

446
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 1: junior as Woody Harrelson. But it really, honestly, it really

447
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: should have been justin Timberlake if you had justin Timberlake

448
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: and and Brittany as the as the the who's the

449
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: annoying chick? Who? I don't like Julie something narrowed down

450
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: Juliette Lewis Yeah her, oh yeah, yeah, I don't like

451
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: her scientology. Yeah, I don't like her presence on screen

452
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: for legal reasons. I just want to say. I didn't

453
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Speaker 1: say do you not like her because she's a scientologist.

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Speaker 1: I just said the word scientology. Whatever. Moving on, Britney

455
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Speaker 1: spears and rain Man. Yeah, what would what would she?

456
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: Two minutes to TRL, two minutes to tr L, two

457
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Speaker 1: minutes to TRL. Right.

458
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Speaker 2: I would give my right pinky to see Brittany peak fame.

459
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: Britney pull off a rain Man turn?

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Speaker 1: Holy, can we keep that? I really want to guess,

461
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Speaker 1: do it keep? That's the one you keep? Only if

462
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: she doesn't. She keeps her accent, So it's like two

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Speaker 1: minutes to trl. Y'all as you meditate on that, we'll

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Speaker 1: be right back with more too much information. After these messages,

465
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: Shonda Rimes admitted to feeling bad for Brittany. She would say,

466
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: think it really was for me a lesson in fame.

467
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: I really did get to see what extreme fame was

468
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: like close up, and how to cope with it, how

469
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: to protect my casts against it, and how to be

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Speaker 1: prepared for the problems that come when it happens to

471
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: people in your cast. A lot of people associated with

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00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: the production reported feeling that way that they set about

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00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: trying to make the shooting set something of a refuge

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Speaker 1: from Spears, mega fame and the constant media scrutiny that

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Speaker 1: came with it. According to producer and Carly, this was

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Speaker 1: helped by the predominance of women associated with the production.

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00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: She denied she was trying to make any particular political

478
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: statement with that.

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00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: Casting stalking hiring choice. She told a reporter, I just

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Speaker 2: hired the best people for this particular job. When the

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00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: script was finished, Carly brought in her friend Tamer Davis,

482
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: a young director who is most famous for giving Drew

483
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: Barrymore her post child star breakthrough. Gun Crazy, Gun Crazy?

484
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: Anyone checking that a.

485
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: Teenager murders her stepfather, sexually abusive man after he teaches

486
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: her how to use a gun through a misapplied school

487
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: penpal assignment. She meets a prisoner, Howard, whom she seduces

488
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: back into the world of guns. She marries Howard and

489
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: decides to show him the remains of her stepfather. Howard

490
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: helps her dispose of the body. After they dispose of

491
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Speaker 1: the corpse, Howard commits several homicides, although he was provoked

492
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: in every incident. Huh, what the fuck? Who plays Howard?

493
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: James la grosse. I don't know. Nope, none of that now.

494
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: Wow, Jesus Christ, all right, Tamer Davis. Davis told Vice

495
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 2: they really wanted a female director because this was going

496
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: to be Britney's first movie, and they really wanted to

497
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: make sure she was protected and taken care of. Davis

498
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: was initially hesitant to work with Spears, but she changed

499
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: her mind after meeting her in Las Vegas. In part

500
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 2: she was blown away by spears power as an on

501
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: stage performer and creative force. I loved watching her be

502
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: in the center of this circle and there wasn't a

503
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: guy in there telling her what to do. She was

504
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: in command of the whole thing. But they made a

505
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: private connection later when Davis paid her a visit at

506
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Speaker 2: her hotel suite. I knocked on her hotel room door

507
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: and she opened it up and she was wearing like

508
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: a little pink T shirt and little shorts and she

509
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: was just hilarious. She opened the door and she was like, man,

510
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: I was hammered last night. I was like, what, You're

511
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: Britney Spears and you were hammered last night. She was

512
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 2: like the funniest, really good girlfriendy type of girl. That

513
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: quote has taken on an alarming pall In recent years.

514
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: Tamra Davis was married to Mike d From the past,

515
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: he boys Oh.

516
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: With authenticity as the casting Edict production team assembled Britney's

517
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: crew of friends, specifically the ones who were not blonde.

518
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: For example, Melissa joan Hart was considered for the part

519
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: of Mimi, which was later played by Tarren Manning, but

520
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 2: just too blonde. Shonda later said, flew into Shirley Temple.

521
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: It's weirdest celebrity wrinkle I can think of. Well, no,

522
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: it's not. There's weirder stuff, but it's so specific. Okay,

523
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: another show that I'm pitching, the iHeart. We're gonna do

524
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: Stumped the buff of the series, and we're gonna giving

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00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: our ideas away this verbal copyright. I'm protecting ourselves. It's

526
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: a recording of it. We can prove the people that

527
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: we had these ideas on a certain date when we

528
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: published the episode. Yeah, so we're gonna invite celebrities on

529
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: who are really into things that are like, you know,

530
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: Jason Siegel with the Muppets, and Nicholas Cage with Elvis,

531
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: and maybe Melissa Joanhart with Shirley Temple and we're gonna

532
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask them quiz questions about it, and in

533
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: between rounds, Heigel's going to interview them and ask him

534
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: like actual thoughtful questions. He says, it's a great show.

535
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: I got a lot of great feedback from Stump the

536
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Speaker 1: Buff if it gets picked up. Yeah, while we're addressing people, me,

537
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: I guess I'm doing this while I'm addressing people who, uh,

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00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: who have have reached out to us and said things

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00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: to us, which is very nice, very than thank you,

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00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. We had somebody who ask, you know,

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Speaker 1: why why do do you bother doing the sensor bleeps.

542
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: I'll explain when we first started doing this show sales, well, no,

543
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: that there were a lot of shows where, yeah, that

544
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: we're kind of geared towards young parents, basically a lot

545
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 1: of the Disney episodes and stuff, and we wanted them

546
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 1: to be able to listen to these podcasts when they

547
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: were driving around in the car, driving their kids to

548
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: and from school and stuff like that. So so that

549
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: was why it's funnier with bleeps too. So we don't

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00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: have a we don't have a very funny bleep though,

551
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's something about the sound

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00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: quality of our sensor beep. That's not very funny to me.

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00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: We should we should insert it with isolated audio of

554
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: Paul McCartney going.

555
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Yeah anyway.

556
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: Seanda later said it wasn't that it was important to

557
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: show people from diverse backgrounds. It just felt like the

558
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 2: movie should look normal. Most movies didn't look normal. They

559
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: all looked oddly homogeneous in a way that didn't feel

560
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: realistic to me. Zoe Saldana and Taren Manning were chosen

561
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: because they seemed like real girls, other worldly beauty. Zoe

562
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: Saldana looked like someone you'd find and whatever not going there.

563
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: So beautiful.

564
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: She's literally most famous for playing an alien at this point,

565
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: and they were like, ah, yeah, she's realistic looking. At

566
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: the time, they were both fairly unknown. Zoe flew out

567
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: to an audition on her agent's air miles and she's

568
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: not even the only future MCU star and Crossroads. It

569
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: also features a thirteen year old Brie Larsen. Zoe Saldana

570
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: always had lovely things to say about Brittany, especially in

571
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: the wake of her troubled period. During a twenty fourteen

572
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: appearance on Watch What Happens Live. Saldona defended Britney's use

573
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: of auto tune, saying she was the one big, big

574
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: celebrity I met when I was starting to work in

575
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: Hollywood who literally was humble. Brittany thanked her by tweeting,

576
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: truly the sweetest thanks for the kind words, nothing but

577
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: great memories of working.

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Speaker 1: Will you Crossroads? Part two? Winkie face. She tweets like Prince.

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00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: She is an amazing user of social media. I love

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00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: her so much.

581
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: She was on Pacific time, so when I was working

582
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: the evening shift at Page six, every time she would

583
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: instagram something wacky, I was handy. Yeah, right down to

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00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: my desk. So I feel I got very acquainted with

585
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: Britney's style of posting.

586
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: U turn manning like a nineteen twenty style newspaper editor, printing,

587
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: like printing out the picture of one of her instagram's,

588
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: slamming it down on your desk.

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00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah No, that was basically it, except it was like

590
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: my two editors slacking me, being like she did it again.

591
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: Post it was either pasted a nude or like said

592
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: that she was gonna like gut her sister like a fish.

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00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: No, she never said that, but no, but there was

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00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: a lot of something.

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00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: There was a lot of yeah, there's been when she's

596
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: when her you know, emancipation stuff was proceeding, she became

597
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: very bold and slamming her garbage family, as she well

598
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: should have. Taren Manning meanwhile, famously came from a not

599
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: dissimilar upbringing to the Southern gothic plot of this movie.

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00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: She was raised by a single mother in an Arizona

601
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: trailer park. She would later say, my mom didn't buy

602
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: herself a new pair of shoes and a new outfit

603
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: until I moved out. Literally, when I asked my mom

604
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: for a dollar, I got one single dollar. Presumably she

605
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: drew on this upbringing for her character's horrific backstory of

606
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: becoming pregnant as a teen after getting raped at a party,

607
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: planning to put the baby up for adoption, and then

608
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: losing the baby once again. Cannot stress how wild the

609
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: plot of this movie actually is. Speaking of spears terrible

610
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: garbage family. The younger version of Britney Spears's character was

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00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: played by her younger sister, ten year old Jamie Lyndspears, who,

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00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 2: in the grand tradition of celebrity naval gazing, is named

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00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: after both of her parents. Jamie went on to pursue

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00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: acting on Nickelodeon after this, but her.

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00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: Career was put on pause after all that creator and

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00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: disgraced Nickelodeon big wig Dan Schneider got her pregnant at

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00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: the age of sixteen for legal reasons. That's pure speculation.

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00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: But has he been like, is he officially done? Are

619
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: people just writing not chance articles about Yeah, I mean,

620
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it would affect him. If he was.

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Speaker 2: He's probably got more residual payments than like oil Barons.

622
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: Doesn't look like anyone legitimately has come after him. The

623
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: last one that wasn't from like Distractify and Pop Sugar

624
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: was La Times in August twenty twenty two.

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00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: Well in Happier News Bowling for Soup front of the

626
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: pod Bowling for Soup. The band were featured in Crossroads

627
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: because they were also associated with Britney's label, Jive Records,

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00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: but they never actually met her during the production because

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Speaker 1: they were only on the set for two days. On

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00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: the first day they were too hungover, and on the

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Speaker 1: second day Britney was away sidebar on their name which

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Speaker 1: I went down as I was writing this episode this

633
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: morning and found myself curious. Their name apparently comes from

634
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Speaker 1: a Steve Martin comedy routine about a game show called

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Speaker 1: Bowling for Sure, but their parents. They were worried that

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00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: their grandparents would get mad if they saw a flyer

637
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: with profanity on it, so they swapped out a few letters,

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00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: and according to ban lore, the band are bowling to

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00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: earn soup, not on behalf of soup.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, I assumed it was. Yeah, I don't think I

641
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: ever thought it was. They were in the pocket of

642
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Speaker 2: the powerful soup lobby.

643
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, back in the day there was the

644
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: show was Bowling for Dollars. I think I'm gonna look

645
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: that up right now. I'm just gonna burn air time.

646
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: Who gives Yeah, Bowling for Dollars is a television game

647
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: show on which people could play the sport of bowling

648
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: to win cash and sometimes prizes based on how well

649
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: they bowled. I would have cleaned up at this. Each

650
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: contestant received a dollar for each pin knockdown. That's a

651
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: bummerh wow, All right here we go, are we? Okay? Oh?

652
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't remember well? Speaking of which, Kim Katrol.

653
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: Back in the news for her probably extraordinarily highly paid

654
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 2: cameo in the second season of and just like that.

655
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was trying to figure out, like

656
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: what the deal is with the feud there because I

657
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: just kind of missed out on all that. They just

658
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: hate each other.

659
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's Sarah Jessica Parker or I

660
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: don't know who's the pain in the ass there. But

661
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: obviously I'm team Kim because she's from she was in

662
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: Big Trouble, Little China.

663
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: She was born in Liverpool, so it's both of our

664
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: favorite things, beadles of Big Trouble, Little China.

665
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, the check they must have cut heard it

666
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: because there was they hate each other.

667
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: I googled this morning thinking that I could do a

668
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: quick recap for this episode, just blatant attempt to pad

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Speaker 1: it out. Russian Vogue result has a forty eight slide

670
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: slide show with a paragraph for each documenting their feud

671
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: back to the early two thousands. So I just I

672
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: tapped out of that. But if you're interested Vogue, Apparently,

673
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Speaker 1: as you covered, we mentioned Kim Katrol because she plays

674
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: the estranged mother of Britney Spears character. Kim would later

675
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: say she only took this gig in Crossroads because she

676
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: wanted to meet Britney, and Britney was also very thrilled

677
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: when she learned of the casting because she was reportedly

678
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: a huge Sex in the City fan, and I guess

679
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: Kim's co stars on Sex and the City were very

680
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: happy for her because they were also massive Britney fans

681
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: mutual odmiration society. In fact, there was a rumor in

682
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Speaker 1: I think the early two thousands, probably around this time,

683
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: that Brittany was going to make a guest appearance on

684
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: Sex and the City as Kim Cattrall's niece, but HBO

685
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: denied the reports. They said that no negotiations had ever

686
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: taken place. That would have been incredible, though, Kim has

687
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Speaker 1: claimed that Madonna was initially considered for the role of

688
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: Brittany's mother in Crossroads, which in a way that makes

689
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Speaker 1: a lot of sense on like sort of a cultural level,

690
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: because Brittany obviously cited Madonna as a huge influence. It's

691
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Speaker 1: tough not to imagine Kim making that up though, to

692
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Speaker 1: make it seem like she had what it takes to

693
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Speaker 1: be Madonna's understudy, because I've never seen that's the only

694
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: reference to that I've ever seen was from a quote

695
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Speaker 1: from Kim Katrol. So take that with a grain of salt,

696
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: and now back to my beloved dan Ackroyd. He plays

697
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Speaker 1: Britney's dad in the movie. I swear I remember him

698
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: in so many more nineties kids movies as the the

699
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: genial dad. But I guess just my girl. Uh. He

700
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: created an absurdly detailed backstory for his character concerned his

701
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: life in the Navy. He even had a friend draw

702
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: a navy tattoo in his arm, which can be seen

703
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: when he's working on the car and the garage. So

704
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: that's funny. Is that stolen valor? What'd you say? Is

705
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: that stolen valor? Does that count if you're an actor?

706
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't count. Okay, just checking our navy tattoos?

707
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Speaker 2: Does that count of stolen valor? If you weren't in

708
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: the navy? I'm pretty sure it does.

709
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Speaker 1: What are navy tattoos? I just assumed it was like Popeye.

710
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Speaker 2: It's not like I mean no, because sailor tattoos is

711
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: like a whole genre of like uninspired tattoos. You know,

712
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: you've got the swallows, the stars, the anchors.

713
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Speaker 1: But I presume little Pete from Pete and Pete there

714
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: in Petunia. Yeah, yeah, I presume like he meant like this.

715
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Speaker 1: I don't even well, who knows, because we can't see

716
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Speaker 1: this movie, so I don't even know what the faux

717
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: tattoo is. But your wife's a tattoo artist and you

718
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: you presumably have at least one one a navy tattoo

719
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 1: stuck in there.

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Speaker 2: No, uh no, I don't think she's actually ever done

721
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Speaker 2: any military tattoos. Maybe for moral reasons, but I guess

722
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Speaker 2: it has to be a like a like a Navy

723
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Speaker 2: seals or some kind of like actual like insignia logo.

724
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Speaker 2: Good for dan Akrod, though, I'm glad he was still

725
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: swinging for the fences and stupid shit like this.

726
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Speaker 1: Yeah. He would later admit that the only reason he

727
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Speaker 1: took the roles because he also just wanted to meet

728
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Speaker 1: Britney Spears, So good for him. Brittany, in addition to

729
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Speaker 1: taking an active role and getting the script together, also

730
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,479
Speaker 1: took an active role in the casting of her leading man,

731
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Speaker 1: the character known only as Ben. This entailed kissing a

732
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Speaker 1: whole lot of guys eager to play her love interest.

733
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Speaker 1: She would later joke it wasn't fun doing that. The

734
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Speaker 1: role went to a relative unknown name Anson Mount. That's

735
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: an incredible name. Another MCU guy. Yeah, he well sort of.

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Speaker 2: He played the lead character Black Bolt in the ABC

737
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Speaker 2: I want to say, a series, The Immortal The Inhumans,

738
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: which was a weird, fantastic fod Jason, I think they

739
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: were Jack Kirby invention, very bizarre, sort of one off.

740
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Speaker 2: I mean, they had a whole series, but just a weird,

741
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: weird cadre of Marvel Comics characters dating back to the sixties,

742
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Speaker 2: including a magic bulldog, and Anson Mount played the lead

743
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Speaker 2: Black Bolt, whose voice is so powerful that he can

744
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: atomize people with a single word. Therefore, he does not

745
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: speak for ninety nine percent of the show. And he

746
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: was in the most recent Doctor Strange movie. So there's

747
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: another MCU thing for you. I think he was also

748
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 2: in Hell on Wheels, which was like a short lived

749
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: AMC period drama about the expansion of the Midwest or

750
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Speaker 2: the West.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot about anson Mount, my friend, just yeah,

752
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: for some reason, just a real weird, granular, weird, granular

753
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: segment of my knowledge. Well, did you know, for all

754
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: that you know about Anson Mount that he was initially

755
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: hesitant to take on a role like opposite Britney Spears

756
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: in Crossroads, and he was eventually persuaded to take the

757
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: role on Crossroads by his co star in a movie

758
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: called City by the Sea, Robert de Niro. Robert de

759
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: Niro was apparently a huge fan of Britney Spears, and

760
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: he really wanted Anson Mount to take this role, to

761
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Speaker 1: the point where he even ran lines with him on

762
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: set for the audition, which means, I mean, I pray

763
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: there's a tape out there of Robert de Niro doing

764
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: Britney's lines from Crossroads. It's it's perfect, It's beautiful. The

765
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: original interview that this is is from The Guardian in

766
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: two thousand and two with the stunningly stunning headline of

767
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: not a girl not yet an Oscar winner. Will have

768
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Speaker 1: a few references to that song in some of the

769
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Speaker 1: reviews that we're going to quote at the end of

770
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: this episode, all on kinds, but all kind of funny. Yeah.

771
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: And he was like, he said, I was reading this

772
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: script for Crossroads between takes on City by the Sea,

773
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: and Bob came up to me and goes, what are

774
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: you doing? And so I said, it's this movie and

775
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: Britney Spears is doing it. I'm not even sure if

776
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to do it. I'm just reading it, and

777
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: he goes, why not, She's great.

778
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: So I showed him the script and he read Britney's

779
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: lines to my ben and then he added, it wasn't

780
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: the kissing scene. Well that's good because Anson also did

781
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: the tried and true prank on the set of Crossroads

782
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: of eating garlic clothes before a kissing scene with Brittany,

783
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: who I guess was too polite to ever actually like

784
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: say anything about it, which is adorable. Leonardo DiCaprio did

785
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: that too during a Titanic I guess and Kate Winslet's

786
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: contract for Titanic. It was like, please don't like smoke,

787
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: eat garlic, and there's like one other thing before or

788
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: drink coffee before kissing scenes, and he would make a

789
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: point to do all three, which led to Kate Winslet

790
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 1: dubbing him stinky Leo. What a little last one? Yeah,

791
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, one of the many reasons she referred

792
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: to him a stinky Leo. If I recall, well, HI

793
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: will get us out of here. With the imprimature of

794
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: Robert de Niro, Filming for Crossroads began and took six

795
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: months It could have been done quicker, but Britney was

796
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of recording her third album simultaneously, including

797
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm a Slave for You, Overprotected and her incredible cover

798
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: of I Love rock and Roll It's this thing on

799
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: Oh you didn't see it? Never mind you get it?

800
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: I don't get it.

801
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: Didn't doesn't her cover like flatten out the sort of

802
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: like weird timing, like mixed not not mixed meter, but

803
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: the weird syncopations that that song has.

804
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 1: I don't think so oh.

805
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't care. I

806
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: don't care. I'm not I'm not investigating that.

807
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: Cut that uh.

808
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: The song I'm not Yet I'm not a girl, not

809
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: yet a woman was originally in Tech God.

810
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: That is so fucking creepy. Who wrote that? I think

811
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: Max Martin sweets. What do we talk about in our

812
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: ab episode Max mart lyricist Rommi Rami Yakub and Dido Armstrong.

813
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: Oh wait what Yeah, she's one of the credited writers

814
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: of that. Wait, I didn't know. Dido's name is Florian Cloud,

815
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: dubonny Velle, O'Malley Armstrong. No wonder she went with Dido.

816
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: There's nothing in there that is that slightly resembles Dido.

817
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rami Yakub is also Swedish Palestinian, born to Palestinian parents,

818
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: but Swedish.

819
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: Florian is a german Man's name. That's just mean to

820
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: give your child a whole lot of odd They were

821
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: all so embarrassing, she said, I thought it was cruel

822
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: to call me Didoh and then expect me to just

823
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: deal with it. The name Dido derives from the legendary

824
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: Queen of Carthage. It's just a childhood name, I guess. Anyway,

825
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: that has been your Dido segment of this episode.

826
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Speaker 2: That song was originally intended to be on the movie soundtrack,

827
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 2: and in fact was the working title of the movie,

828
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: Not a Girl. Also in the discarded bin was what

829
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: Friends Are For. It's just also really funny to me.

830
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm finally getting to this now, but

831
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: that this movie shares a title with the Ralph Macchio

832
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: guitar movie Crossroads.

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00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so incredible. Have you seen that movie. I've

834
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: never seen it, but I kept accidentally stumbling on it

835
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: when I was researching this God it whips dude.

836
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: There's a scene the guitar duel I implore everyone to

837
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 2: at least just go and check out the guitar duel

838
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: at the end, where Steve Vai plays the Devil's guitarist

839
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: and Ralph Machio wins by playing Pagnini's fifth caprice I believe,

840
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: which is one of the like most played classical guitar chopbusters,

841
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: and then he finishes by playing a note that is

842
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: not technically possible to play on fred board. I think

843
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: it is Eric Johnson or Ry Cooter who actually overdubs

844
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: that guitar solo.

845
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this movie is basically the plot of the

846
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: Devil Went Down to Georgia. It's the Devil one down

847
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: to Georgia meets meets meets the karate Kid.

848
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Speaker 2: And it is directed by Walter Hill of The Warriors

849
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: and forty eight Hours.

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00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: Who Yeah.

851
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: Music by Ry Cooter. The guy who played the classical

852
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: guitar on it was William Kennon Geyser no idea harmonica

853
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: by genuine bluesman Sonny Terry. Fascinating film. Fascinating film actually

854
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: written by an itinerant blues musician named John Fusco.

855
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: Why aren't we covering that crossroads? You to do another crossroads?

856
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: Sidebar I don't more so than than you just did. No,

857
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: that's that's all you get. Fascinating film Crossroads. Everyone should

858
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: go and check it out. It's pretty great. Wow. But

859
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: the font on both titles are almost identical. This one

860
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: that's really weird. Yeah.

861
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: This guy was a student at Tish School of the Arts,

862
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: where he got a uh uh uh.

863
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: He won a writing competition. This in his script was

864
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: sold to Columbia while he was still a student. How

865
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: does that make you feel bad? Real bad, just real bad,

866
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: just just not good.

867
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: Ralph Machio, not highway, not many other people in this

868
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 2: based on the legend of Robert Johnson.

869
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: But where do you where do you want in a film?

870
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm like unable to be like on mic right now

871
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: because this is so weird.

872
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ralph Macchio learned how to play He learned how

873
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: to play some guitar and in a hilarious image of

874
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: Ralph Macchio's life at the time, he was also filming

875
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: Karate Kid Part two. So he would take guitar lessons

876
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: from a guy named Arlen Roth and then then he

877
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: would go and after two hours of guitar lessons, then

878
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: he would go and work on his karate for Karate

879
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: Kid Part two, which is essentially what I wish my

880
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: life was still like. But yeah, really incredible. They were

881
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: gonna so they were gonna have if no one watches

882
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: this movie, which I can't, really good conscience suggest that

883
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: you should. You should at least go in YouTube the

884
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: duel scene because they were going to actually have Raikooter

885
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: on screen and instead, realizing that he wasn't exactly the

886
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: most cinematic guy, they were gonna either have Keith Richards,

887
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 2: Frank Zappa, or Stevie ray Vaughn. And then eventually they

888
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: got uh Steve VI in here because eighties guitar shred

889
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: was a really big thing. And funnily enough, Steve VII

890
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: got his first start playing with Zappa. I think he

891
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 2: unprompted sent him like a transcription of one of the hardest,

892
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: like wild weirdest compositions of Zappa, and Zappa was like,

893
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to meet this kid, and funnily I mean,

894
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: now this is in a total digression, but did you

895
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: ever hear the story of Steve VI's audition with Zappa? Oh,

896
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 2: he's told it a few times, but he uh went

897
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: to go audition and this is after he's done the

898
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 2: transcription of this thing, and and uh, you know, he

899
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: gets in with Zappa and and Frank's like, all right,

900
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 2: play this, and he plays this guitar figure, and Zappa

901
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 2: is a ripping guitarist, so like it's just really as

902
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: Steve says something, he says something like, and it's this

903
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 2: you know, bizarre, ridiculous thing like in his own idiosyncratic style.

904
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: And I listened to it, and I go okay, and

905
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: then okay, now play it in seven. Okay I played

906
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 2: in seven. He goes, now play it in seven eight reggae,

907
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: and he just keeps putting new wrinkles onto this original figure.

908
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: And eventually and Steve I's like, you know, and this

909
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: goes on for like fifteen or twenty twenty five minutes,

910
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: and it gets to the point where it's this absurd

911
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: thing that should never be played by anyone ever and

912
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: is physically impossible. And I said, Frank, I can't, like

913
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: I cannot, I can no longer play this the way

914
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: that you are trying to get me to do so,

915
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: and Frank says, well, I hear Linda Ronstad is looking

916
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 2: for a guitarist.

917
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: Friend of the pod Dora, Well like that story well

918
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: that's so good. Yeah, what a what a what a dick.

919
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: But he would apparently do that. He had all these things,

920
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: He had all these things with his band where he

921
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: would like signal on stage. I'm not a big Frank

922
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: Zappa guy, but I know some of them. I've listened.

923
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would do these signals on stage that were like, okay,

924
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: now this for this next transition, We're going into a

925
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: reggae feel or like a Latin feel, and they would

926
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: just have to shift on the fly. I mean, being

927
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: in that band was like it was like being in

928
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: James Brown's band, just a nightmare of high wire musicianship.

929
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: Was that documentary that came out a few years ago?

930
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: Any good? You know? I didn't. I didn't watch it.

931
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: I forget the two and I fell asleep. But I

932
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: don't someone was my fault.

933
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: Or there's someone's someone's quote I always see on Twitter

934
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: that goes around whenever whenever Zappa comes up, which is

935
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with a little Frank Zappa, but there's

936
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 2: a lot wrong with a lot of Frank Zappa.

937
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: That's really good. Yeah. Anyway, this concludes your sidebar on

938
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: Crossroads The Other the other Crossroads I'm just so glad

939
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: that we went from Britney Spears to Frank Zappa and

940
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what was happening. It happened so quick.

941
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: That is the TMI promise. You're not going to get that.

942
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: You're not going to get that with I don't even

943
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: know what other shows would be doing this, blank Check,

944
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: the blank Check Podcast, those rubes. We're going to take

945
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: a quick break, but we'll be right back with more

946
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: too much information in just a moment. Wow.

947
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: The hospital scenes and cross Roads are filmed at the

948
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: North Hollywood Medical Center, the same setting as the TV

949
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: show Scrubs, where they also filmed episodes of The Sopranos,

950
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: Freaks and Geeks, The Office, and Charmed, among many other things.

951
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 2: Sadly demolished in twenty eleven, and a fire. How does

952
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: this work when you accidentally set a fire while you're

953
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: trying to demolish something.

954
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: Tearing it down. It burned down, some bitch.

955
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's an ocean violation, whatever it is. No,

956
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 2: they were welders were working at the site and some

957
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 2: I guess molten welding materials went down, fell down an

958
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: elevator shaft and set fire to all the elevator, shafty

959
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: racks stuff, yeah whatever, and started a fire. And I

960
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: guess you don't want to have your building on fire

961
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: when you're demolishing it.

962
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: Maybe you do.

963
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: Who's to say I'm not a professional building demolisher.

964
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: Not yet. Most of the film was shot in Hammond, Louisiana,

965
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: not far from Britney's hometown of Kentwood. The citizens of

966
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: Hammond were reportedly not told that filming was happening, which

967
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: led to surreal instances of randomly spotting the then biggest

968
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: pop star on the planet just out and about. There's

969
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: a great story of how.

970
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: The leads were being filmed in their nineteen seventy three

971
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: Buick Skylark convertible great car when a stray dog jumped

972
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: out in front of them. Arren Manning jumped out to

973
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: retrieve it. The camera truck did not stop, so suddenly

974
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: Britney Spears, Zoe Saldana, Taron Manning and Anson Mount are

975
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 2: cruising the back roads of Louisiana with a stray dog,

976
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 2: friend of the pod stray Louisiana Dog. Naturally, people start

977
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: to gather and there is no security, and at this

978
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: point word of mouth had spread news of the production,

979
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 2: the set was swarmed with fans, and the movie's insurance

980
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 2: bond company was so concerned about paparazzi that they would

981
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: keep changing the working title of the film on shooting

982
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: permits to keep photographers off the track of filming locations.

983
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: Funnily enough, Britney Spears wears a sweatshirt for Southern University

984
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: throughout the film and on the poster. Costumer Wendy Scheckter

985
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 2: found the shirt at an LA thrift store, explaining Britney's character,

986
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: Lucy is a college oriented girl. Casting call went out

987
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: for a college oriented girl.

988
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, what does that mean? We're talking about how Britney

989
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 1: developed all the characters. I guess that's the best they got.

990
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: She's college oriented. Also, Southern University, we'll get into that.

991
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: But what's Northern University? What's West Coast University? They're university

992
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: is just named for mass Yeah, Florabama University, Salt Life University.

993
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: That's a great shirt.

994
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: Southern University, though, is a predominantly African American school in

995
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: Baton Rouge, making it unlikely that the college oriented Lucy

996
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: would have attended regardless of her orientation towards college, but.

997
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: The school enjoyed the publicity. Chancellor Edward Jackson approved of

998
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: the shirt's usage and said that they were tickled pink.

999
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: The fact that we're African American makes little difference. The

1000
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: school's bookstore saw sales of Southern University clothing items jump

1001
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: drastically as a result of this free publicity. Hilaire Britney,

1002
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: by all accounts, was a delight on the set and

1003
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: nowhere near the diva that she then had every right

1004
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: to be, though her contract stipulated trailers, personal trainers. Producer

1005
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: and Carly says the team is very understanding of Crossroads

1006
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: small budget. Brittany reportedly only had two requests while she

1007
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: was on set. I'm sorry, I almost gagged tuna lunchables

1008
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: and ed mam Ma, I need to make sure that

1009
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: that's a thing and not like I don't think tuna

1010
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: lunchables are a thing. Is like canned tuna fish Comma

1011
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: lunchables and edamme, I don't think there was a prepackaged

1012
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: tuna fish lunchables. You're right, well there is, but it's

1013
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: not Lunchable's brand. It's like star kissed to go. Okay,

1014
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: Now I got to google tuna lunchables Britney Spears, which

1015
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: I really don't want to have to do, but I'm

1016
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: gonna yeah, Okay, that's what I'm saying. Tuna lunchibles, that's

1017
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: not a thing. I mean in the Vice article that

1018
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: interviewed Sean the Rhimes and the director. Look, I'm going

1019
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: to the lunchables wiki. Okay, not an option. Ever, there

1020
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: were no tuna lunchibles produced thirty different kinds of meal,

1021
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: variety combinations. Surely there's gotta be no you're supposed to say,

1022
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: don't call me Shirley. Uh, we gotta update your references.

1023
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I talked about Stalin earlier instead of putin

1024
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: what do you expect? I'm telling you, dude, there's no

1025
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: damn tweet out that.

1026
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 2: That's a syntax air that they did not fact check.

1027
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm calling it out now.

1028
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: Recently decimated by layoffs Vice News, I hope all of

1029
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: you have found jobs. But this is sloppy journalism. The

1030
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: quote should have been tuna comma, lunchables comma and edamame.

1031
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: This is the This is why copy editors were a

1032
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: thing for decades. They put it on the deck of

1033
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: a post, and they also put it on their social

1034
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: posts too. Britney Spears loves tuna, lunchibles and more secrets

1035
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: from the making of Crossroads. Well, whoever was working advice

1036
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: in March of twenty sixteen, you really fell asleep on

1037
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: the fucking job, guys. I'm sorry. How simple would it

1038
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: have been to visit the lunchables wiki? That took me

1039
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: thirty seconds?

1040
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, I weep for the state of journalism seven

1041
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: years ago.

1042
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: And also now you're hearing it here first, folks, Britney's

1043
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: diet on the set of Crossroads was tuna, probably star kissed,

1044
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: possibly chicken of the sea. We don't know. They bungled

1045
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: that as.

1046
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: A follow up question, comma lunchables. We don't know what

1047
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: kind of lunchables. I'm gonna go ahead and say ham

1048
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: and cheese or possibly pizza comma and at a mammee.

1049
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: Where were we? Oh? Yeah. She also had production pick

1050
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 1: her up a half hour early each day so she

1051
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: could go to Starbucks and get coffee. Producer An Carly

1052
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: offered to have the coffee waiting for her on set

1053
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: when she arrived, and Brittany said, I don't mind. I

1054
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: actually liked going in and getting to decide. Oh, that's heartbreaking.

1055
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: That's really sad.

1056
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: Britney spent much of a free time on the set

1057
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: hanging out with her then boyfriend Justin Timberlake, a frequent

1058
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 2: visitor to the set, and by all accounts, their love

1059
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: was genuine and adorable. During rehearsals, director Tamer Davis as

1060
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: Brittany to doodle in her notebook as though she were lucy.

1061
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 2: She wrote Britney and Justin over and over again and

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Speaker 2: covered the book in butterflies and hearts. It was just

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Speaker 2: the most beautiful relationship seeing the two of them together

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Speaker 2: and how lovey they were. Davis said, they were just

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Speaker 2: so close and she was just such a supporter of his.

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Speaker 2: He worked just as hard as her. It was like

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Speaker 2: she would be doing rehearsals and he would be doing rehearsals.

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Speaker 2: They really knew that life together. Tamer Davis still owns

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Speaker 2: that notebook, thus fulfilling our it belongs in a museum

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Speaker 2: quotient for the episode.

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Speaker 1: There was also a point in Crossroads when the three

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Speaker 1: leading ladies sing bye Bye bye, which is cute because

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Speaker 1: it's a Justin Timberlake song. Well it's not just nipple

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Speaker 1: liked song, it's an instangc song. Crossroads opened on February fifteenth,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and two, and made fourteen million dollars that weekend,

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Speaker 1: recouping more than its twelve million dollar budget. There was, however,

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Speaker 1: a minor controversy when Britney supposedly snubbed fans waiting to

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Speaker 1: see her at the London premiere. She apparently blew right

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Speaker 1: by him. Her management claimed that it was only because

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Speaker 1: of a safety issue that she didn't stop and hang out.

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Speaker 1: In total, Crossroads earned its budget back five times over,

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Speaker 1: bringing in sixty one million dollars. So that's that's good.

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Speaker 1: You know, we love that for her, I could say, right, like,

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Speaker 1: this thing still on, But it wasn't all sunny days

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Speaker 1: and frappuccinos and pepsi for dear sweet Brittany.

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Speaker 2: Despite this, it wasn't all star kissed in pizza lunchibles.

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Speaker 2: You can really take the South out of that. You

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01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: can't take the South out of the girl.

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Speaker 1: Despite the strong numbers of the box office, Crossroads received

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Speaker 1: a critical drubbing. What can you receive a drubbing for

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Speaker 1: something that's not critical? Like, you know, I feel like

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Speaker 1: I only hear it, great question, what's the what is

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01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: the drulogy? Of drubbing dressing down. I was going to

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Speaker 1: look up the meaning of yikes earlier too, but I didn't,

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Speaker 1: But now I feel interesting. Drub early seventeenth century, probably

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01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: from the Arabic daraba to beat. The first recorded uses

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01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: in English are by travelers in the Near East, specifically

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01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: referring to physical punishment. Semi related yikes is likely derived

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01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: from yikes, a hunting call used to urge hounds after

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Speaker 1: a fox from the mid seventeen hundreds. Someone's gonna win

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01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: pub trivia because of that, because they heard it on here.

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Speaker 1: You have anyone if one gotten a trivia question right

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01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: in pub TV because something to learned on here, please

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Speaker 1: tweet at us.

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Speaker 2: That would really that would make me so happy once again.

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01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm at Alex underscore high goal. Jordan is Jordan run talk?

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Speaker 2: Are you n t A g H?

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Speaker 1: We are reachable and eager to talk. You spelled? You

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Speaker 1: can spell my name right? Oh my god, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Everyone wants to add an extra you in there. Are

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Speaker 1: you n t A U g H? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Oh like Lucy when when Charlie pulls when she when

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Speaker 2: she pulls the football out, that's like, ah.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's my archaic pop culture reference. God, we just

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Speaker 1: weren't made for these times and thank you, Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Son of a Bitch. Uh. Crossrows was mostly criticized for

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01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: Britney's acting, which I think is unfair, and was frequently

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01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: compared to Mariah Carey's movie from the year before, Glitter's

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Speaker 1: nominated for eight Razzies, Crossroads was. It has a three

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Speaker 1: point six rating on IMDb out of over forty one

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Speaker 1: thousand votes, and it also has a fifteen percent score

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Speaker 1: on Rotten Tomatoes based on one hundred and five reviews.

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Speaker 1: I went through and read them all prior to taping,

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Speaker 1: and they're pretty savage. Richard Roper is quoted as saying

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Speaker 1: she's not yet an actress, not quite a singer. Oh.

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01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: John McEwan wrote, spears technique indicates she's a graduate of

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Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch Acting Academy. Oh. James Sandford of the

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Speaker 1: Kalamazoo Gazette says Crossroads comes off like a rejected ABC

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Speaker 1: after school special, freshened up by the dunce of a

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Speaker 1: screenwriting one oh one class. Provokes a handful of unting,

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01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: provokes a handful of unintentional howlers, and numerous yawns. You

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01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: read the last two Ian MATTGANI wrote a bus our

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01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: piece of work with premise and dialogue at the level

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01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: of kids television and plot threads as morose as teen pregnancy,

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01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: rape and suspected murder. That's accurate. Yeah, I mean that's

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01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: what's so weird about it is that like and not unfair. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Why Britney's management team would allow her to make such

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01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 2: a depressing movie is beyond me. The story is about

1139
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: miserable people who lead miserable lives.

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01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's me. Uh, that was Mike mcgrandanagan. Mike McGranahan,

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01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: Mike mcgranagan from Aisle Seat. Again not incorrect, but in

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01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: any event, we've never cared about reviews on this show,

1143
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: and we're sure as hell I'm not going to start now.

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01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: As executive producer for MTV Films, David Gale says, girls

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01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: really liked it. If you want a teenage girl at

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01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,919
Speaker 1: that time, the movie was really relatable in a fantasyish

1147
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: kind of way. Was driving across the country in a

1148
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: yellow what was a Dodge Plymouth sixty three Buick Skylark

1149
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: Buick Skylock Yes, yes, yes, uh, with a expected murderer,

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01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: Your tea, your best friend who's been raped, your other

1151
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: one who has given up for adoption. You're a good lord?

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01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: How was that relatable? Who would say that? Also, we

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01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: didn't talk about the karaoke scene, you know we didn't. Yeah,

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01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a lot there is. There

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01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: are a lot of there there. I know you love

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01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: rock and roll, so that's uh, yeah, it goes down

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01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: when Britney's character and her friends are at a karaoke bar.

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01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: Brittany said, they asked me to sing karaoke in the

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Speaker 1: movie Crossroads, and I've actually sung I love rock and

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Speaker 1: roll in a lot of clubs that I've been to.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's authentic again, So much of this movie

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01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: is authentic. Authenticity really the watchword of this film. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if they were shooting for some kind

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01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: of like eight mile like thing where it's like this

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01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: is this is taken from Britney's life, and then midway

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01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: through the movie maybe when they were shooting it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: maybe we should try to like back off on this

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01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: because she's got a lot of young fans. But they

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Speaker 1: were stuck with a script that was already pretty gritty,

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01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: so they just like try to water it down just

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01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then you got this weird mishmash

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Speaker 1: of tones. Well none of the than.

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Speaker 2: Miley Cyrus mentioned that this scene was hugely formative for her.

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01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: She told Variety you should have seen my face when

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Speaker 2: Britney covered I Love Rock and Rolling Crossroads. I melted down.

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Speaker 2: That scene was the Father, the Son, and the Holy

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Speaker 2: Spirit all in one room. I actually lost my mind.

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Speaker 2: That was world's colliding beyond what I could have ever

1179
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 2: dreamed of.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly incredibly poetic words from Miley Cyrus. Isn't she like

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01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: really tight with Jan Jet? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Actually one of my most my the coolest thing to

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01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 2: my mind that that Miley ever did was invite Laura

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Speaker 2: Jean Grace of Against Me and Joan Jet into her

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01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 2: backyard to cover The Replacements Androgynous, which is like a

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Speaker 2: really beautiful song from Let It Be The Replacements album,

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Speaker 2: really like very sensitively portrayed, uh weird little character sketch

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01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: about non binary people. But yeah, I Jon Jet, Jone

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Speaker 2: Jet and Miley are like our friends.

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Speaker 1: Is it a cool? And? Uh like normy seeming pop

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01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: figures have like really good, really deep, really weird taste

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01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,839
Speaker 1: in music case. I love that makes me so happy.

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01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I or at least use their large s to

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01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 2: You know, if if a Miley Cyrus fan googled against

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Speaker 2: me and started listening to that as a result of that,

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01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 2: that's that's great, that's a net positive. Joan later told NME,

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Speaker 2: the British music outlet, I've never even heard Britney's version.

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Speaker 2: I mean I've heard about it, but I never understood

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Speaker 2: that whole idea. People you, I mean, people usually cover

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Speaker 2: a song that says something about them.

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Speaker 1: But I doubt she loves rock and roll. Oh maybe

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Speaker 1: she like, maybe she likes songs. Wow. I mean, I've

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01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: interviewed Jone Jet and she doesn't seem to have a

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01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: mean bone in her body. I genuinely think she was

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01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: like reaching around for like some honest but kind thing

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01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: to say that she got. Maybe she liked songs. Doesn't

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01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift love like Mega Death or something. There's some

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01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: metal band that she loves. Maybe it's Iron Maiden, Wow?

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Speaker 1: Who among us? Well, back to Crossroads, the producer An Carly,

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Speaker 1: who kind of kicked the whole thing off, said that

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01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: she contrasted Crossroads with less earnest movies like Mean Girls

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01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: and Clueless. She said, Crossroads wasn't snarky. There's no snarkiness whatsoever.

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01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: We weren't ashamed to be corny. Corny would maybe have

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01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 1: been somebody else's judgment of it, but we weren't afraid

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01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: to be heartfelt. We didn't need to be smarter than

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Speaker 1: anybody else. Young women, they're surrounded by judgment and snarkiness,

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01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: so it was important for us to show the ups

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01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: and downs of real relationships. And for years there were

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01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: rumors of a potential sequel, and and Carly has said,

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Speaker 1: we've actually talked about it a little bit in a

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01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: weird way. There's a lot of people involved in the

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01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: really busy though, who knows. I think it could be

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01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, but everyone's in different places, from

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01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: Taren to Zoe to Britney to Shonda. Shonda Rhimes, who

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01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: now has a billion dollar TV empire to worry about.

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Speaker 1: Has I kind of diplomatically backed off from the whole

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01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: idea in the nicest way possible. She said, Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: twenty something years later. I don't know about Crossroads too

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Speaker 1: and what that would be, but I would work with

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01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: that group of people again absolutely, So that's nice. And

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01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: Brittany made a reference to the movie in a video

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01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: for a twenty eleven song I want to Go When

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01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,480
Speaker 1: the camera moves past the theater Marquee that reads Crossroads

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01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: to cross Harder and a lame sequel joke. Isn't a

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01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: good place to end on. I don't know what is

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Speaker 1: damn it, folks. Thank you for listening. This has been

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Speaker 1: too much information. I'm Alex Eigel and I'm Jordan Ron Todg.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. Too Much Information was a

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01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. The show's executive producers are Noel Brown

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01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: and Jordan Runtog. The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: The show was researched, written, and hosted by Jordan Runtalg

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01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: and Alex Heigel, with original music by Seth Applebaum and

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01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: the Ghost Funk Orchestra. If you like what you heard,

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01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,679
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