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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Now here's a woman nobody

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Speaker 1: will forget. I don't know if you're gonna remember her name,

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Speaker 1: Virginia Gonzalez, but you'll remember this, the mom of multiple children,

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Speaker 1: including a seven year old little girl found locked in

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Speaker 1: a dark closet that was barricaded down to about twenty

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Speaker 1: six pounds, fed one corn dog a day. If that,

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: On April third, twenty twenty five, Austin Police Department responded

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Speaker 2: to a nine to one to one call for a

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Speaker 2: seven year old child that was found locked in a

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Speaker 2: closet and starving. The seven year old was immediately taken

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Speaker 2: to a local hospital for medical treatment and it is

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Speaker 2: currently recovering. There were six other children found in the

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Speaker 2: I'm not appeared physically healthy.

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Speaker 3: Police officers at an Austin apartment find a severely malnourished

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Speaker 3: seven year old girl who is barricaded in a bedroom closet.

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Speaker 3: The child has found soiled, weighing just twenty nine pounds

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Speaker 3: and has been confined to a three foot by two

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Speaker 3: foot clauset space for approximately a month. Investigators find the

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Speaker 3: child has been given one corn dog and a half

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Speaker 3: a cup of water a day. Doctors Addell Children's Medical

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Speaker 3: Center determined the little girl as suffering moderate to severe

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Speaker 3: cerebral atrophy from prolonged malnutrition, damage from which she will

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Speaker 3: never recover.

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Speaker 1: Virginia Gonzalez, spacing charges including injury to a child inflicting

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Speaker 1: serious injury, learns her fate in court.

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Speaker 4: The mother accused of locking her young daughter in a

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Speaker 4: closet for weeks, initially refused to plead deal, but now

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Speaker 4: one has been reached. Thirty three year old Virginia Gonzalez

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Speaker 4: pleaded guilty to two charges of felony child injury. She

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Speaker 4: receives a twenty five year sentence on each count, which

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Speaker 4: she will say serve at the Texas Department of Criminal

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Speaker 4: Justice Facility in Huntsville. The counts will serve concurrently, Let me.

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Speaker 1: Jog your memory about what happened. This closet was less

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Speaker 1: feet tall, two feet wide. There were other objects in there?

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Speaker 1: What other objects in there? No light, no ventilation, and

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Speaker 1: it was barricaded by seventy five pounds of boxes in

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Speaker 1: front of it. Can you imagine the life. That child

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Speaker 1: had in a closet, her living space about three by

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Speaker 1: one foot ten inches three by two let's be generous,

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Speaker 1: no light, no ventilation, barricaded on the outside by seventy

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Speaker 1: five pound boxes in front of it. The little girl

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Speaker 1: was soiled, of course, she had tee teed and defecated.

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Speaker 1: I said twenty six it's twenty nine pounds. Twenty nine

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Speaker 1: pounds when she was rescued. She's already suffered moderate to

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Speaker 1: severe cerebral atrophy. That's permanent brain damage due to prolonged nutrition. Quote.

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Speaker 1: She will never recover, according to the state's affidavit. Now,

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Speaker 1: the other six children in the home from two to

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Speaker 1: fourteen told Grandma they were ordered to lock her in

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Speaker 1: there because she had quote bladder control issues and was

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Speaker 1: quote always getting into stuff and quote eating things she

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Speaker 1: was not supposed to, what like food. A ten year

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Speaker 1: old brother told police he was told he had to

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Speaker 1: clean the closet because the little sister would have to

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Speaker 1: defecate a urinate in the closet. The little girl gets

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Speaker 1: just a corn dog a day and a half a

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Speaker 1: cup of water. How can it tie? I'll survive day

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Speaker 1: after day, week after week, month after month. Lock in

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Speaker 1: a dark closet, living off nothing. Straight out to Christina Ohio.

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Speaker 1: Joining US investigative reporter Christina, this child locked in a closet.

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Speaker 5: What happened well, according to the affidavit, when police got there,

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Speaker 5: When the caller called in for the welfare check and

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Speaker 5: police got there, they found a seven year old little

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Speaker 5: girl locked in a closet. It was barricaded by seventy

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Speaker 5: five pounds of boxes. They opened that door, they found

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Speaker 5: that child in there. She was soiled, surrounded by feces.

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Speaker 5: She was severely malnourished. She had dark spots all over

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Speaker 5: her body, which is a sign of severe malnourishment. They

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Speaker 5: took her, of course, to the hospital where she weighed

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Speaker 5: twenty nine pounds, and medical personnel say that because of

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Speaker 5: the prolonged starvation of that little girl that she will

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Speaker 5: have permanent brain damage.

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Speaker 1: Permanent brain damage caused by starvation. Join Virginia Bagbee, director

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Speaker 1: of Child Help, National child abuse hotline Child Help Virginia,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Many people don't know

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Speaker 1: that starving a child can result in permanent brain damage.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen anything like it before, Virginia.

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Speaker 6: We have definitely heard about cases like this and they

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Speaker 6: happen all too often.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner, Terrent County. That's fort worth,

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Speaker 1: never a lack of business. He is the esteemed lecturer

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Speaker 1: at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. I know

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Speaker 1: that you heard this, but let me repeat it again.

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Speaker 1: A seven year old little girl barricaded in a locked

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Speaker 1: She is now suffering permanent, moderate di severe cerebral atrophy

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Speaker 1: from prolonged malnutrition. The doc states she will never recover.

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Speaker 1: Could you interpret that place certainly?

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Speaker 7: So she's not being given much food or water. I

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Speaker 7: mean a corn dog and a cup of water is

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Speaker 7: not much for a child or anybody for that matter.

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Speaker 7: Her body is losing its depleting its muscle, depleting its stores.

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Speaker 7: So her muscles are wasting away, her bones are starting

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Speaker 7: to not form properly, and she's being starved. And part

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Speaker 7: of being star results in your cardiac muscle or your

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Speaker 7: heart muscle mass starting to also fade away or go away,

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Speaker 7: which reduces your heart's ability to pump your blood, which

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Speaker 7: results in your kidney's failing and you go into kidney failure.

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Speaker 7: You also start having gut issues as well, and this

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Speaker 7: can all affect your brain and your brain's development, especially

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Speaker 7: in a child. So all those factors combined will result

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Speaker 7: in her having these issues that the doctors are describing.

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Speaker 1: Now, the general crowns a child of seven years old

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Speaker 1: should weigh around seventy pounds. Forty forty five to seventy pounds,

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 7: Yes, that would be about the average plate of a child.

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Speaker 1: At seven, a seven year old average. Of course, they

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Speaker 1: grow in different ways. The average is fifty one pounds

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Speaker 1: forty three to seventy. So where would you place twenty

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Speaker 1: nine pounds in that spectrum? Twenty nine pounds. If a

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Speaker 1: not even half the weight of a seven year old.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what you're describing is a severely malnourished child. So

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Speaker 7: she's been starved for a prolong period of time.

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Speaker 1: How does that make a child brain damaged?

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Speaker 7: It's from the body shutting down, the lack of food,

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Speaker 7: the lack of loss of muscle mass, the heart muscle

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Speaker 7: getting enough oxygenated blood, and of course the brain's part

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Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns. Isn't it true that a child weighing twenty

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Speaker 1: nine pounds typically, and I'm basing this on charts of

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Speaker 7: Yes, I would be correct.

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Speaker 1: Year old little girl, Doctor Tindall Crowns, that should weigh

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Speaker 1: twenty nine pounds. With a child starving, what would she

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Speaker 1: be enduring on the floor of that locked closet, Doctor Crowns.

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Speaker 7: She would be enduring confusion, dehydration, or a very dry

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Speaker 7: she'd be very tired in just not able to even move.

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Speaker 7: And then you would add on to that the fact

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Speaker 7: that without the food she'd start hallucinating and then eventually

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Speaker 7: just slip into a coma and finally die.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Tindle Crowns. Would the child lose her hair? I

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Speaker 1: know that she's losing all muscle tone? Would she be

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Speaker 1: losing her hair? Would her faculties or hearing her sight?

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Speaker 1: Would that be intact? And what would her brain function

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Speaker 1: be lying on the floor of a dark closet starving So.

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Speaker 7: Yes, hair often will fall out in individuals who are starved.

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Speaker 7: Her brain function would be very minimal. She'd be confused,

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Speaker 7: even possibly hallucinating, and just completely fatigued and not even

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Speaker 1: Is it true? Doctor Jimnal Crowns that when someone has

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Speaker 1: been starved for a prolonged period of time, as in

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Speaker 1: this case, when you give them food they can't even

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Speaker 1: eat it.

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Speaker 7: Yes, you can have what is called if you give

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Speaker 7: a person who's been starved, you feed them too quickly,

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Speaker 7: you can have what is called refeeding syndrome, where they

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Speaker 7: actually will from the food intake. It will cause so

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Speaker 7: much of a shock to their body that they can die.

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Speaker 1: Guys. When police show up to a home, they find

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Speaker 1: six children and then a seventh locked in a closet,

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Speaker 1: weighing just twenty nine pounds, but ironically, amazingly listen to

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Speaker 1: the condition of the other six children.

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Speaker 3: Six other children in the apartment, ranging in age from

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Speaker 3: apparently good physical condition. The apartment's pantry, refrigerator, and freezer

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Speaker 3: are stocked with various food items. The oldest children were

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Speaker 3: given strict orders to put the little girl in the

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Speaker 1: She wasn't supposed to.

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Speaker 3: During the investigation, police learned there's an eighth child, Ava Marie,

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Speaker 1: We've got one starved child who has permanent brain damage,

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Speaker 1: a seven year old little girl weighing twenty nine pounds

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Speaker 1: locked in the closet. Now I've got a missing child too.

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Speaker 1: But to doctor angel Arnold, joining me renowned psychiatrist out

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Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction at ANGELA Arnold MD dot com,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, thank you for being with us. Did you

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Speaker 1: hear what was just reported that there were six other

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Speaker 1: keep the little girl locked in a closet, starving her

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Speaker 1: because the little girl would eat things she wasn't supposed

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Speaker 1: to eat. You know what, doctor Angie, I've heard every

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Speaker 1: excuse in the book about why parents starve the children. Oh,

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Speaker 1: the child ate a candy bar, I'll starve it. The

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Speaker 1: child eats too much, I'll starve it. The child is behaved,

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Speaker 1: I'll starve it. I mean, there are a million excuses

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Speaker 1: I have heard as to why moms and dads starve

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Speaker 1: the baby dead. But yet we see six other children

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Speaker 8: And this is oftentimes what we do see in cases

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Speaker 8: like this, Nancy, So the other children need to be

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Speaker 8: taken care of as well as this goes on, because

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Speaker 8: they have been suffering something called Stockholm syndrome. They want

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Speaker 8: to They are so scared of the abuse that they

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Speaker 8: see being heaped on this other child that they that

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Speaker 8: they go into it with their mother literally to protect themselves. Okay,

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Speaker 8: because Nancy, imagine how scared these other children are. They

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Speaker 8: never know who's going to be next to be locked

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Speaker 8: in that closet. So they're going to listen to their mama.

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Speaker 8: They're going to do what she says. And I think

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Speaker 8: that they could probably also psychologically sort of break off

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Speaker 8: in the closet so that they can protect themselves, because

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Speaker 8: this is chaos that this family is living in. It

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Speaker 8: is complete and utter chaos, and all of those other

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Speaker 8: children are suffering. They may not be brain dead, brain damage.

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Speaker 8: Excuse me, they are not being you know, they're not

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Speaker 8: being starved, but they are also being damaged by this

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Speaker 1: You said the other siblings are going to have to

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Speaker 1: be in treatment. You're right, because they didn't just watch

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Speaker 9: Angie, that's exactly correct, Nancy.

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Speaker 8: These children have been abused in a different way, and

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Speaker 1: Go against Charlotte Too. Brown Blake joining US agent, Professor

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Speaker 1: Advocacy Project, browin thank you for being with us. I've

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Speaker 1: seen it over and over. Even cases that I prosecuted,

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Speaker 10: The idea that abuse is all about power and control

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Speaker 1: Joining me is a special guest. This is Leanne Marie,

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Speaker 1: friend of the children's mother, Virginia Gonzalez. Leanne, thank you

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Speaker 9: So, from what I know, she was just a normal person.

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Speaker 11: I mean, honestly, she never really had her kids with

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Speaker 9: Besides that, we never knew that she had, you know,

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Speaker 11: So she was just a typical person, partying out in

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Speaker 9: I mean, she she was just she.

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Speaker 11: Never lived like she even had nine eight nine kids.

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Speaker 1: You're scaring me now, William Marine just said something that

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Speaker 11: Yes, so it's right now they're saying that this night

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Speaker 1: Okay, Darryl Parker, I need you and I need you.

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Speaker 1: Now there's another missing child. Did you hear that? Darryl Parker,

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Nancy, that's pretty concerning. I know that the mom

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Speaker 1: Virginia Bagby joining us from Child Help National abuse hotline

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Speaker 1: going into this right now. I knew that there were

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Speaker 1: eight children, six in the home, one starve near death

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing about child number nine. Is that child dead?

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Speaker 6: Hotline, Well, this is a really difficult one. I would

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace in the last days. A

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Speaker 1: Virginia Gonzales states, I instruct to them not to let

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Speaker 1: it was easier for my sons to watch her that way.

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Speaker 1: Well what were you doing? Why would you leave a

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Speaker 1: Text messages uncover Gonzales texting one of her children, quote,

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Speaker 3: A shocking discovery inside a home leads police to investigate

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Speaker 1: Okay, Liam Marie is joining us a friend of the

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Speaker 1: Virginia Gonzales MS. Murray, thank you because what you've just

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Speaker 1: you know Leanne is the ninth child? Older younger girl.

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Speaker 11: Boy, it's a boy and he is around age nine

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Speaker 11: So Eva's around eight nine years old, and then the

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Speaker 1: You stated that Virginia Gonzales, the mother the starving little

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Speaker 11: So, from what we understand was that the kids, all

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Speaker 9: All living with the grandmother.

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Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Angie Arnold, I need to shrink because why

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Speaker 8: Nancy, how can she? How can she just be so

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Speaker 8: And I'm sorry, is it to support her lifestyle? And

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Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, she is a horrible person that has done

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Speaker 8: Where are the fathers of these children?

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Speaker 8: Any of them involved? But Nancy, I don't believe she

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Speaker 1: But to Ron, when Blake joining us as junct professor

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Speaker 10: Absolutely. I can tell you're thinking like a prosecutor. The

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Speaker 10: And unfortunately many of users present one face to some

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Speaker 11: Everybody concluded that and confirmed that it was a little boy.

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Speaker 11: from all the evidence and information that I've collected, it's

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Speaker 11: all based on the girls.

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Speaker 9: So you know, she sold the baby who was a

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Speaker 9: little girl that was just born in March.

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Speaker 1: She starved a woa whoa. My head is spinning. What

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Speaker 1: did you just say she sold a baby?

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Speaker 11: Yes, and CPS just found that baby when okay.

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Speaker 1: But that's the newborn baby that was just born in March,

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Speaker 1: so that baby's been sold. Yes, but see how much

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Speaker 1: did she get from the baby?

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Speaker 9: From what I heard twenty five k.

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Speaker 1: Christina Ohio tell me about the newborn baby girl that

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Speaker 1: just got sold?

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Speaker 5: Well, apparently from my investigations online and none of this

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Speaker 5: has been confirmed yet, but she did have this newborn

450
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Speaker 5: baby and according to all person who says that they

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Speaker 5: are a close relative of the family. She did have

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Speaker 5: a newborn baby. It was sold to a couple, So

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Speaker 5: if that is in fact the case, there could be

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Speaker 5: a possibility that Ava Marigan Soliz was also sold, and

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Speaker 5: that's something that will have to be looked into, because

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Speaker 5: it would be my opic of us to think that

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Speaker 5: that possibility isn't out there.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Christina Ohio, I can only hope and

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Speaker 1: pray that she was sold and that she's alive and

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Speaker 1: being treated better than the little seven year old to

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Speaker 1: Leanne Marie, a friend of mom, Virginia Gonzalez. Why did

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Speaker 1: she sell her baby?

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Speaker 9: I'm guessing financial issues.

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Speaker 11: But at the same time, all the money was going

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Speaker 11: downtown Sixth Street and at the strip clubs. I mean,

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Speaker 11: she was just making it rain with money and buying

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Speaker 11: bottles after bottles and buying everybody buying the bar out.

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Speaker 11: I mean, that's where I seen the money going. I

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Speaker 11: don't I didn't see anything.

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Speaker 9: Else that she had that.

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Speaker 11: I mean, she didn't even have a vehicle, you know

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Speaker 11: what I mean. So, I mean I think all the

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Speaker 11: money was just going to party in I don't think

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Speaker 11: it was ever to just take care of her and

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Speaker 11: the rest of the kids.

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Speaker 9: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I noticed in the party video she's got a Gucci

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Speaker 1: bag strapped around her front. Was that a fake? Was

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Speaker 1: that a fruity? A fake Gucci?

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Speaker 11: From my understanding, everything that the police found in her

481
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Speaker 11: room was everything was name brand. I don't think it

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Speaker 11: was fake, but I do now know that a video

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Speaker 11: was taped back in May a year ago.

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Speaker 9: She would just cover up her stomach.

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Speaker 11: I mean she would, honestly now that I'm thinking, I'm

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Speaker 11: thinking she was trying to high the pregnancy.

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Speaker 9: Why because she was out there.

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Speaker 11: Partying, I mean on the boat party, which was in

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Speaker 11: September of twenty twenty four, my birthday. You can see

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Speaker 11: in the video she was kind of closed. She didn't

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Speaker 11: take the whole shot. And I got other, you know,

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Speaker 11: videos of footage of her putting the shots on the

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Speaker 11: side when people weren't watching. So I think she knew

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Speaker 11: she was pregnant, but she just didn't want the other

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Speaker 11: the world to know that she was pregnant. So she

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Speaker 11: would literally buy bottles, get everybody drunk, and I guess

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Speaker 11: what then nobody notices anything.

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Speaker 1: Lean question, did she discuss openly that she was selling

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Speaker 1: the baby.

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Speaker 9: No, no, ma'am.

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Speaker 11: I found that out through the one of the children's families,

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Speaker 11: the ones that I've been speaking with since the very

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Speaker 11: beginning of the case, when it first started getting investigated.

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Speaker 1: Do you know who she sold the baby too?

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Speaker 9: I do not know them personally. I just know that

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Speaker 9: it was a couple.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am, why did she keep having children if

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Speaker 1: she hated them so much?

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Speaker 11: I don't think that she was having the children to,

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Speaker 11: you know, just be this mother and to take care

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Speaker 11: of them. I think she was living off the benefits

512
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Speaker 11: the snap and the EBT and the fathers. I think

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Speaker 11: that was how she would hold some of these men,

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Speaker 11: you know, in her life, because a lot of them

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Speaker 11: didn't deal with the children. They only dealt with her,

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Speaker 11: And a lot of them didn't want the children, they

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Speaker 11: just wanted her. So I think that it was like

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Speaker 11: the kids were like a tool for the men she was.

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Speaker 11: You know how they say there's womenizers. I think she

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Speaker 11: was like like that with the men, like where she

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Speaker 11: idolized men before her children.

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Speaker 1: Did anyone ever wonder who would be taking care of

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Speaker 1: the children while she's out partying.

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Speaker 11: So from my friendship experience with her, she would come

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Speaker 11: and go, So one minute she was out here popping

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Speaker 11: bottles for about two or three months, and then she'll

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Speaker 11: go ghost for six months a year, and then she'll

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Speaker 11: pop out out of nowhere again. So it wasn't really

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Speaker 11: she was really just screet with the children. Like I said,

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Speaker 11: I only went to her that apartment where they found

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Speaker 11: the child that was starving and the other six children.

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Speaker 11: I only went to that apartment one time, which was

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Speaker 11: to go pick her up, and she it was clean.

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Speaker 11: It was the fourteen year old was the only one there.

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Speaker 11: I didn't ask because every time I asked about the children,

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Speaker 11: it was that they were with her, the grandmother, because

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Speaker 11: her baby daddy was crazy after her, so she just

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Speaker 11: left the children with him so he would be calm,

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Speaker 11: is what she would tell us.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace new details emerging in a

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Speaker 1: case out of Austin, Texas. Authorities first learn a seven

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Speaker 1: year old girl is locked in a closet. Who knows

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Speaker 1: how long she raised twenty six pounds. When they go

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Speaker 1: to inspect that, they find out her sister has been

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Speaker 1: missing four years. But it was only after that arrest

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Speaker 1: police learned she never reported the disappearance of the other child,

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Speaker 1: a nine year old little girl missing since December two

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Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen. Listen.

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Speaker 2: During the investigation, police discovered that there was an eighth

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Speaker 2: child who was not found inside the home. The missing

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Speaker 2: nine year old child was identified as Ava Marie Gonzalez.

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Speaker 2: Missing Persons detectives determined that Ava was last seen in

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Speaker 2: December twenty seventeen, when she was two years old and

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Speaker 2: in the custody of her mother, Virginia Marie Gonzalez.

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Speaker 3: Learning there should be eight children in the apartment, not

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Speaker 3: just the seven they found, police opened an investigation and

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Speaker 3: quickly determined Ava Marie has not been seen by family

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Speaker 3: or frien and since she was two years old in

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen in custody of her mother, Virginia Gonzalez. Considering

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Speaker 3: the condition of Ava's seven year old sister when she

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Speaker 3: was found, Austin Police detectives are very concerned about Ava's welfare.

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Speaker 1: So they've got six children seemingly healthy, you've got one

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Speaker 1: child starved, locked in a closet, and now you've got

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Speaker 1: a missing child.

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Speaker 4: Austin Police Department still looking for another of Gonzalez's daughters, Ava,

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Speaker 4: who hasn't been seen since December twenty seventeen. She was

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Speaker 4: then around two years old. Gonzalez's son, the first born

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Speaker 4: of her eight children, told investigators that Ava was given

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Speaker 4: away to a family when she was about three. November

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, child Protective Services record state Ava Gonzalez

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Speaker 4: moved in with her father. The document allegedly signed by

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Speaker 4: the grandmother of one of the Gonzales children. When questioned

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Speaker 4: about the document, the grandmother said the phone number on

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Speaker 4: the CPS report was not hers, nor was it her signature.

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Speaker 4: The Austin Police Department was able to track down Virginia

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Speaker 4: Gonzalez's previous boyfriend and father of one of her children.

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Speaker 4: He says Gonzalez claimed Ava was her sister's child and

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Speaker 4: she was caring for her. She also said Ava was

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Speaker 4: living in San Antonio with an aunt and uncle. The

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Speaker 4: ex boyfriend said Gonzalez referred to Ava as a crack baby,

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Speaker 4: meaning a premature baby who was sickly, having health problems,

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Speaker 4: and looked malnourished. Hospital records confirmed Ava was born to

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Speaker 4: Virginia at thirty nine and a half weeks, weighing six

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Speaker 4: pounds with no complications. After Gonzalez's arrest, she told police

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Speaker 4: Ava was living in Mexico with her father. When contacted,

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Speaker 4: Ava's father in Mexico declined ever having custody of the girl.

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Speaker 4: He said he hadn't seen Ava since she was about one,

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Speaker 4: and he was told by Gonzalez that Ava was living

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Speaker 4: with another family in San Antonio.

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Speaker 1: Gonzalez as a man named Saul he Menez took little

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Speaker 1: Ava from her and the man was the girl's father,

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Speaker 1: but she now claims he was deported back to Mexico

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Speaker 1: before he ment as sister took little Ava with her

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Speaker 1: to Mexico as well. I only hope and pray that's true.

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Speaker 1: Although Austin police say they are handling Little Ava's disappearance

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Speaker 1: quote as a homicide investigation, adding they quote don't have

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Speaker 1: any evidence she is alive, Gonzales in court reports she

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Speaker 1: did not kill her daughter. What more do we know?

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Speaker 4: Gonzalez's now fourteen year old son was around six when

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Speaker 4: Ava went missing. He told investigators that he remembered something

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Speaker 4: bad happening in an Austin motil bathroom. He says he

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Speaker 4: heard Ava screaming really bad and peeked into the bathroom.

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Speaker 4: He says his mother was violently assaulting Ava in a

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Speaker 4: bathtub full of running water. He says later he heard

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Speaker 4: the water turn off about the same time Ava stopped screaming.

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Speaker 4: He told investigators his mother then dressed to Ava and

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Speaker 4: put her in a car seat. The little girl looked

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Speaker 4: like she was sleeping than Gonzalez told him Ava was

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Speaker 4: going to live with a new family, a new mom

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Speaker 4: and dad. He never saw her again. Detectives believe Ava

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Speaker 4: may have died at her mother's hand on or around

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Speaker 4: January TEWOD twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: William Marie is joining us a friend of the mom,

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Speaker 1: Virginia Gozales. So you think that she's having the children

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Speaker 1: in order to get state benefits.

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Speaker 9: I don't think it's just state benefits.

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Speaker 11: I think, like I said, it's more of a tool

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Speaker 11: for the men that she was in love with.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I mean some of them, some of the from.

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Speaker 11: What I'm understanding too, is some of the kids. I mean,

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Speaker 11: she don't even know who the fathers is to some

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Speaker 11: of the kids. I mean, she was known for being

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Speaker 11: in the club, you know, with multiple men. So I mean,

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Speaker 11: I don't think that she used the children just for

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Speaker 11: the benefits. I think it was just more of tools

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Speaker 11: to keep the men in her life to help benefit her.

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Speaker 9: With the money and the pain for this and pain

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Speaker 9: for that. And that's what.

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Speaker 1: I think to Darryl Parker joining me former Lieutenant Fannin

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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's office at Blackfish Intel dot com. Daryl, how

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Speaker 1: do we go about finding the two missing children. You've

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Speaker 1: got the little girl missing, We've got an AH progress

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Speaker 1: photo of her. You've got her missing. You've got a

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Speaker 1: nine year old boy missing. I believe the little newborn

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Speaker 1: girl that was sold has been recovered. But how do

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Speaker 1: you go about finding the two missing children?

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, Nancy, I see a lot of parallels

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Speaker 12: between this case and the Kasey Anthony case. And if

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Speaker 12: you recall, the thing that really bogged down that investigation

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Speaker 12: was Kathy Anthony's multiple stories where she gave the police

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Speaker 12: all these different versions of what happened to her child.

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Speaker 12: And so in this case, I think the mom has

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Speaker 12: given them some inconsistent stories. All they're going to have

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Speaker 12: to track these down. And this is over a period

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Speaker 12: of time too. Seven years is a lot longer period

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Speaker 12: of time than when Kasey Anthony's child was missing, So

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Speaker 12: it's going to be a lot more difficult for law enforcement.

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Speaker 12: To piece that together. But she couldn't have done all

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Speaker 12: this without other adults being aware of what was going on,

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Speaker 12: at least collaterally. So I think there are going to

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Speaker 12: be some other collateral witnesses that can help provide some

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Speaker 12: information to try and find the kids, Rob and Blake.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how the mother can be getting government

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Speaker 1: benefits but they're not in school because the government does

655
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: know they exist and they're off school age. How does

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Speaker 1: that work. This is not supposed to happen.

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Speaker 10: When you hear a story like those, multiple systems have failed.

658
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 10: This mother was purposely not taking her children to school,

659
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 10: I'm sure because the teachers would have seen something. She's

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Speaker 10: not taking them to their doctor's appointments because the doctors

661
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 10: would have seen something. Here in Texas, every single adult

662
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Speaker 10: is a mandatory reporter of child abuse, not just those

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Speaker 10: professionals I mentioned, neighbors, family members. If anyone saw something,

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Speaker 10: it's the law that they had to report it.

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Speaker 1: Christina Wya, what more do you know?

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Speaker 5: Well, they're the woman who is online identifying as a

667
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 5: very close family member.

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00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: She revealed that the newborn baby was sold.

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Speaker 5: She also is revealing some of the details about what

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Speaker 5: Virginia was telling each one of the family members. It

671
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 5: kind of lines up with what Virginia Gonzalez's friend was

672
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 5: telling us about the story. She was saying she pitted

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Speaker 5: the two families against each other. She allegedly told one

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Speaker 5: family that the kids were in the care of the

675
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Speaker 5: other family. Her side of the family told her mom

676
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 5: the same thing, vice versa. This woman also claims that

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Speaker 5: the father of three of Virginia Gonzalez's children actually took

678
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 5: care of six of the children for two years till

679
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 5: he went to jail, allegedly back in December, and that's

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Speaker 5: when she's saying that Virginia Gonzalez went and picked up

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Speaker 5: all the kids. She had kept the fourteen with her,

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Speaker 5: fourteen year old with her originally and then went back

683
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Speaker 5: and picked up all the kids. So that was in December,

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Speaker 5: which means that if she picked up the little seven

685
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Speaker 5: year old girl who they are calling re Rea in December,

686
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Speaker 5: then that means that little girl was suffering most likely

687
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Speaker 5: six months of abuse before that nine to one one

688
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Speaker 5: call came in and they discovered her in the closet.

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Speaker 5: So apparently this woman is describing Virginia Gonzalez as very manipulative,

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Speaker 5: and it's crazy because they also say that she didn't

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Speaker 5: allow any of the children to go to school, and

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00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 5: there are no records of any of the children being

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Speaker 5: in school. And as for abram Marie Gonzalez, there's no

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Speaker 5: medical records, there's no legal records. So this is a

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Speaker 5: really convoluted case. And if it's true what they're saying

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Speaker 5: about the baby being sold to a couple, that the

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Speaker 5: possibility of abram Reriganzalees being sold to a couple.

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Speaker 1: Is there as well. But it might have been sold.

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Speaker 5: The baby might have been sold to a more affair outfit,

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Speaker 5: which means we could be looking at something concerning child trafficking,

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Speaker 5: which we hope that's not the case. But either way,

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of avenues that investigators need to go down,

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Speaker 5: and there are a lot of leads that they need

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Speaker 5: to investigate.

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Speaker 1: Leam Marie, Now that you realize the extent of what

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Speaker 1: Virginia Gonzales was doing to her children, are you surprised?

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Speaker 9: Very?

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Speaker 11: I'm very shocked. I'm very disbelief. I just I can't

709
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Speaker 11: believe it. I mean, she put up this image. I

710
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 11: would have never, in my rights, say to mind thought

711
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Speaker 11: that she was starving a kid or abusing the children

712
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 11: like that, I would have said something.

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Speaker 1: To doctor Angela Arnold. How can you present one facade

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Speaker 1: to the public and live such a dark private life.

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Speaker 8: You know what comes that comes from years and years

716
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 8: of abuse, because people who have been abused learn how

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Speaker 8: to compartmentze different things in their life. So this woman,

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Speaker 8: because of the purported abuse that she experienced as a child,

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Speaker 8: has learned how to contain the different parts of her

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Speaker 8: life and separate them. It all stems from her abuse.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything regarding these

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Speaker 1: missing children, please dial five one two five seven two

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Speaker 1: eight four seven seven repeat five one two, five seven,

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Speaker 1: two eight four seven seven. We wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,