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Speaker 1: up listeners Back here for episode number fifty eight of

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Speaker 1: the Metsub podcast. Of course, I'm your co host, draftneck

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Speaker 1: Mark Mark Luiso here with James Chiano. No range going

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Speaker 1: over all the stuff that's happened in the New York

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Speaker 1: Mets world over the past week. Because you know, we're

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Speaker 1: doing weekly shows now. Every Wednesday in the morning, you

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Speaker 1: can expect a new episode of the Mets Up podcast

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Speaker 1: during the off season. Unless there's some actual big news

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Speaker 1: emergency episode. But right now, once a week, every Wednesday morning,

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Speaker 1: you guys will be able to see that. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the updates with the President of Baseball Operations.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do some more grading of players. We did

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Speaker 1: more guys. We got five more players to talk about here.

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Speaker 1: We got some Jeremy Heft news, we got some Louis

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Speaker 1: but we gotta talk about Louis Rojas as well, and

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Speaker 1: I mean James is Oh Hovey Hobby Bias as well.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna talk about too. Hovey Baia is

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Speaker 1: going in depth into his contract, how much he should

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Speaker 1: we realistically see this guy coming back to the New

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Speaker 1: York Mets. So an action packed episode despite not too

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Speaker 1: much happening in Mets world, but we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: it all here on the Messed Up podcast. Make sure

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Speaker 1: It really does help us out. James, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: some Mets baseball here. I feel like me and you

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Speaker 1: have been recently talking a lot Knicks basketball but we're

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Speaker 2: A lot of Knicks basketballs next season. Baby, Big game tonight,

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Speaker 2: hopefully while you're listening to this. Nick's got a big

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Speaker 2: the Magic. But I really appreciated last week. We got

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Speaker 2: beginning of our off season content, the quiz Everyone Loves

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Speaker 2: Listening numbers are very steady, actually have increased in the

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Speaker 2: Even though I do think that Britain has a point

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Speaker 2: So it seems like these two are basically their own

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Speaker 1: Dude, where's my boy Hamilton Mark's at? That's what I'm asking.

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Speaker 1: see Omar Minaya And what was the other dude who

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Speaker 1: was a part of the Yeah, JP Riccardi getting thrown

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Speaker 1: around too as president Baseball option, Like, listen, it sounds crazy,

435
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Speaker 1: but at this point, like, oh god, if we're hearing

436
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Speaker 1: internal names, those guys have a chance, no, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably one week away from that.

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Speaker 2: Matt Arnold turns out he's blocked and Josh Burns withdraws

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Speaker 2: his name. I think we're about in that range. But

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Speaker 2: I also just want to highlight how stupid these titles

441
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Speaker 2: are for some of these guys in baseball front offices.

442
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Speaker 2: Because Tommy Tannis was the director of Amateur Scouting and

443
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Speaker 2: then he was promoted to the vice president Amateur Scouting.

444
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Speaker 2: Like what kind of organization promotes the director to becoming

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Speaker 2: a vice president.

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Speaker 1: This whole thing is so dumb, and like that should

447
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Speaker 1: that should be the president of Baseball operations. First decree

448
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Speaker 1: is start giving some real titles to people that make sense.

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Speaker 1: I don't wanna. I don't want to director go a VP.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense, especially because you want these guys

451
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Speaker 2: have the best names possible, because if the Mets actually

452
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Speaker 2: do become smart, that means there's less of a chance

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Speaker 2: of these guys being taken away. One of the Baseball perspective.

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Speaker 2: Guys I followed on Twitter. I forgot where they work.

455
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Speaker 2: These guys were all poop pooing this thing all week.

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Speaker 2: They really took a ricochet shot at Jack Ramsey, who

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Speaker 2: we mildly respect.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of mean.

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Speaker 2: That was me, just me, something mean to do with

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Speaker 2: the a nineteen year old kid, I'll say, yeah, But

461
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Speaker 2: one of them made the joke that eventually, when people

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Speaker 2: want to hire President of Baseball Operations, we're gonna see

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Speaker 2: Baseball Pharaoh and uh, head heads are Baseball operation. It's

464
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Speaker 2: just so you can create the new title to pretend

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Speaker 2: to give a guy of promotion just to take talent away.

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Speaker 2: This whole thing is so stupid, it's so diluded. It's

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Speaker 2: so dumb to listen to this weird, stupid hearsay is

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Speaker 2: that we're living in because it's the only real Mets

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Speaker 2: news that's happening. It's fucking annoying. It's just I just

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Speaker 2: I really need Sandy Allison to take a step away.

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen. But he seems to be a

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Speaker 2: real monkey wrench in this right now.

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Speaker 1: Yep. And that's what I was trying to allude to

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Speaker 1: at the start. When I said that thing is it?

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Speaker 1: To me feels like Sandy Alder and I have no

476
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Speaker 1: actual proof for information on this, but it feels like

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Speaker 1: to me, Sandy Alderson is what's holding the Mets back

478
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Speaker 1: in this entire thing. Like you said the Steve Cohen,

479
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Speaker 1: do you want to work for an owner who seems

480
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Speaker 1: to be way more hands on than he originally said,

481
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Speaker 1: seems to be pretty outspoken. I get it, but guess what,

482
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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, There's guys in the sport more Cuban. There's

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Speaker 1: guys all over the place in every sport that are

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Speaker 1: outspoken owners that are very heavily evolved, and they're not

485
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Speaker 1: having difficulty getting the guys that they want into their organization.

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Speaker 1: To me, it feels like Sandy Alderson is the problem.

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Speaker 1: We didn't really want him around when the season was ending,

488
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Speaker 1: couldn't believe that he came back. It just seems like

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Speaker 1: when he's got his hands on things, people are worried

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Speaker 1: to get in business with him.

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Speaker 2: Dude, we had this conversation during the Zach Scott DWI

492
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Speaker 2: episode and you said, gut feeling, do you think all

493
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Speaker 2: this is back with the team next year? And I

494
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: looked at your eyes. I said one hundred thousand percent,

495
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Speaker 2: like there was just no chance he was gonna leave,

496
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Speaker 2: Like he's not going anywhere. And that sucks because he's

497
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Speaker 2: out of touch socially, he's out of touch in terms

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Speaker 2: of baseball operations. Steve Cohen seems to trust him inherently.

499
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Speaker 2: I look you in your eyes, said that, I told

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Speaker 2: all the listeners that he wasn't going anywhere. And now

501
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Speaker 2: it sucks because there's a chance he's gonna cost us

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Speaker 2: the opportunity to hire a serious executive.

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Speaker 1: Yep. I just it's frustrating. It's frustrating because again it's

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Speaker 1: that will Pond stench man. It's just sticking around a

505
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Speaker 1: little bit too much.

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Speaker 2: Just stinks. It really stinks. And again not there isn't

507
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Speaker 2: saying that no matter who comes in, won't make these

508
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Speaker 2: crazy moves like there won't won't be able to sign

509
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Speaker 2: Carlos career, We won't trade guys you want to trade,

510
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Speaker 2: you won't. We won't really see roster turnover. But it's

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Speaker 2: just from a philosophical standpoint, things won't change in a

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Speaker 2: way that's gonna make us more similar to the Dodgers,

513
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Speaker 2: Brewers and Rais and Giants, the.

514
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Speaker 1: Giants hired one guy and he changed that organization from

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Speaker 1: being a dinosaur into becoming one of the smarter teams

516
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Speaker 1: in all of baseball in two years. It's it might

517
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Speaker 1: not seem like it's important, and it like really at

518
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's more like you said,

519
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Speaker 1: the philosophical thing, but getting that philosophy is so right.

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Speaker 1: And when the Mets some of the guys are being

521
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Speaker 1: named out there and the idea of an internal guy,

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Speaker 1: it feels like the philosophy he's not gonna change and

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Speaker 1: it does need to change.

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Speaker 2: No, and bottom line here the Mess Up Podcast, as

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Speaker 2: I would say, like fifteen to twenty percent more nervous

526
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Speaker 2: than we were a week ago about how this is

527
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Speaker 2: going to go and that could change on a dime

528
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Speaker 2: any second. I'm refreshing Twitter because news news could break now,

529
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Speaker 2: like who knows.

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Speaker 1: Could break at any moment. Some positive news. Though. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about a guy that the Mets Up Twitter or

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Speaker 1: Mets The Twitter Messed Up Podcast loves Jeremy Heffner. He's back.

533
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Speaker 1: They picked up his option. They may u sweated out

534
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Speaker 1: a little bit, but I've never been more excited for

535
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Speaker 1: a pitching coach announcement like I was for Jeremy Heffner. No,

536
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Speaker 1: absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: And my jersey lifts to see another year, which is

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Speaker 2: the most exciting news coming out of all. I love

539
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Speaker 2: also that Drew Flow immediately hit the retweet button on

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Heffner getting picked up, because it seems like internally

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Speaker 2: he's beloved and at the end of the day, like

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Speaker 2: between twenty twenty twenty twenty one to two years that

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Speaker 2: he's been the Mets pitching coach, they're third in all

544
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Speaker 2: of baseball swings strike rate and their seventh and came

545
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Speaker 2: out as walk grade. Those are two of my favorite

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Speaker 2: stats to use in terms of pitching because swing strike

547
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Speaker 2: rate it's like a better version of Wiffrey, because's all

548
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Speaker 2: your pitch is not just your swing and your strikeouts

549
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Speaker 2: mind as your walks. It's just how many bats you're

550
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Speaker 2: missing and how few guys are letting on base for free.

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Speaker 2: And the Mets didn't have a good pitching year in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, and Jacob de Gram only pitched to half

553
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Speaker 2: of a season this year, and the Mets still have

554
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Speaker 2: found themselves near the top of the league, and both

555
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Speaker 2: of those very very important factors. So we got right,

556
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Speaker 2: that would have to pay. But we got our man back.

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Speaker 2: Our long national nightmare is over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at least we got our pitching coach back, because

559
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Speaker 1: that was one of the few things that went right

560
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Speaker 1: this year. And then let's talk about our old manager,

561
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Speaker 1: Luis Rojas, who's been thrown around the news, not really

562
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Speaker 1: as much met news, but I mean, we don't got

563
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Speaker 1: much to talk about, and this is just fun to

564
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Speaker 1: twist twist our nuts a little bit. Here is that

565
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Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be the San Diego Padres manager, or

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Speaker 1: at least has a shot at being it. He's being interviewed,

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Speaker 1: and I mean people around baseball respect his baseball mind,

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Speaker 1: and I can totally see him going there and making

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Speaker 1: the Mets fans and everybody eat their words and just

570
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Speaker 1: being that guy that takes the Padres to that next level.

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Speaker 2: And there's almost like a tiny part of me that

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Speaker 2: wouldn't even hate to see him succeed there, just because

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Speaker 2: I mean, you and I were both like moderately in

574
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Speaker 2: his camp this entire year while every single person in

575
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Speaker 2: the world turned on him, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: connections with him to this Padres organization. His actual brother

577
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Speaker 2: Moyes s Alou Is in that front office. He's a

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Speaker 2: special assistant to the general manager. Luis Rojas is apparently

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Speaker 2: very tight with Fernando Tatis Senior, which I'm sure leads

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Speaker 2: to Fernando Tatis Junior having some say over who's gonna

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Speaker 2: be the manager of this team after Jase Tangler openly

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Speaker 2: ridiculed him on multiple occasions.

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Speaker 1: Well, Luis Rojas, if you remember when the Mets played

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Speaker 1: the Padres this year, had a lot of great things

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Speaker 1: to say about Tatis and even spoke about how hard

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Speaker 1: Tatis worked to get to where he was.

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Speaker 2: How could you not have great things to say about

588
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Speaker 2: Fernando Tatis Junior. He's one of the best players in baseball.

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Speaker 1: I know, but it was it was very like he

590
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Speaker 1: was like over the top almost in that like he

591
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Speaker 1: really like talked about how like Tatis as a younger

592
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Speaker 1: kid wasn't seen as one of these best players at

593
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Speaker 1: you know, these camps and the Dominican and that this

594
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Speaker 1: dude worked his ass off to become like what he is,

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Speaker 1: and like it's clearly showing now, so like he definitely's

596
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Speaker 1: got a connection over there, like he's been seeing Tatis

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Speaker 1: ever since he's a kid Luis Rojas was brought into

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Speaker 1: the Mets kind of unfairly. He wasn't necessarily ready yet

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Speaker 1: probably to be this job. It was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: Carls Beltrons, and he was just supposed to be on

601
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Speaker 1: the staff because he was always gonna be a guy

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Speaker 1: in waiting. He was like a quality control guy. I

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Speaker 1: believe in years past he was.

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Speaker 2: He's not even for they.

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Speaker 1: No, he's a smart dude, and whether you want to

606
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Speaker 1: believe it or not, Mets fans, at some point Luis

607
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Speaker 1: Rojas is going to be managing another major League Baseball team,

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Speaker 1: and there's pretty good chance he's gonna have good success.

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Speaker 2: It's also interesting to look at this from a Padres perspective,

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Speaker 2: just to take our Mets classes off for a brief moment,

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Speaker 2: because the Padres have been one of the more I

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Speaker 2: don't have averse analytic organizations in baseball over the last

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Speaker 2: few years, and the news of hiring Rojas, who was

614
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Speaker 2: a quality control coach who definitely believes in advanced stats

615
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Speaker 2: and playing it by the book more often than not,

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Speaker 2: kind of leans into becoming a more analytically inclient team.

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Speaker 2: And I can't imagine that after watching what the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: and Giants did to them this year that the Padres

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Speaker 2: are still like fuck analytics, especially because they're also very

620
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Speaker 2: close to bringing on the Cleveland's pitching coach, Rubin Diebla,

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Speaker 2: who is very well respected around baseball, who uses I

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Speaker 2: hate you saying he uses analytics because that's like such

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Speaker 2: a weird clunky for instance, But he is an advanced

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Speaker 2: pitching coach. He's a modern pitching coach, and having two

625
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Speaker 2: guys like that in the staff is probably gonna change

626
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Speaker 2: the outlook of their team a lot, at least from

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Speaker 2: my perspective. Now.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, they also are interviewing Mike Shilt,

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Speaker 1: who got canned from Saint Louis because he's a dinosaur,

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Speaker 1: as well as Ozzie Gan, who hasn't been in baseball

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Speaker 1: for ten, ten years whatever it's been. Yeah, and there's

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Speaker 1: not a shot, not a shot in the world that

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Speaker 1: Ozzie Gian knows what OPS is. And that's not even

634
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Speaker 1: an advanced stat by any means. That's just on base

635
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: plus slugging. I'm confident he doesn't know what that means.

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Speaker 1: There's no shot.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, though, the fact that Ozzie still is

638
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Speaker 2: technically a young man that he could, he could be

639
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Speaker 2: more willing to accept it, especially if it was going

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Speaker 2: to actually get him a job again. Ozzie Gian will

641
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Speaker 2: do anything to get back in that duck out. He

642
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: was treated pretty raw after that stinting with the Marlins.

643
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Speaker 2: They brought him in there to have the entire Latin

644
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Speaker 2: rem union, and they let him manage for barely a year,

645
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Speaker 2: even though he was just he was just simply himself.

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Speaker 2: He was the exact guy you hired. I don't know

647
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Speaker 2: what the surprise was there, but I don't know. It

648
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Speaker 2: does seem like this job is moving towards Rojas getting

649
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: it because of all those connections and the way the

650
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: organization's mindset seems to be shifting. And I'll be happy

651
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: for him if he does. I'll have no ill will

652
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: towards Luis Rojas.

653
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 3: Nope.

654
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: Me and you, both, like you said, were in his

655
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: camp way more than a lot of people. And myself

656
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: for sure, I know, like from the start, I've always

657
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: been a big Rohas guy. So if he goes to

658
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: Sam Diego, hope the best for him. I just hope

659
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: the Mets are better than them. That's all I can

660
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: ask for. Please God, all right, that's enough of the news.

661
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: Let's talk about you want to do some grades here,

662
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: Let's let's start getting some players top for grades.

663
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: Five more player grades coming at you this week, And

664
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: I kind of want, Like last year, I felt like

665
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: we did the best most important guys on the team,

666
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: not really the best because Confour was in there, but

667
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: the most important Mets at least heading into this season.

668
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: And I think this batch would be basically the second rung.

669
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: Of that between who guys.

670
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: For of these guys are under contract next year, one

671
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: of them is not, and that's a teaser for how

672
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: we're also going to end the show. But guys who

673
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: could be the next tier of most important Mets heading

674
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: into next season? And the first guy I want to

675
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: touch on, probably the most polarizing met dead exists mister

676
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: Edwin did as Sugar as he's like, as he's called

677
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: by his friends and family.

678
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a weird player this year because he

679
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: was good. But if you look at his numbers, you

680
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: think he's not that good. But like then you look

681
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: at the numbers even more, you're like, no, this guy's

682
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: like actually very very good. He's a super solid closer.

683
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: Is he still living up to the hype, yet that's

684
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: still yet to be determined. I think to that price

685
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: tag of trading Jared Kelnick and you know, all those

686
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: other guys, but that's also impossible.

687
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, at this point, it's just completely unfair. It's a

688
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: whole ds to that regard, because he's never going to

689
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: be able to as a relief pitcher, a closer to

690
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: live up to the to the lofty expectations of someone

691
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: who's going to be in every day, above average, everyday

692
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: player like at worst, Like it's very hard to compare

693
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: him to that. And it's not Edward did as his

694
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: fault that he was traded for a super prospect. That

695
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: was that dumbass agent's fault. Like Edward the has nothing

696
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: to do with that trade. Like as much as that

697
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: all Mets fans want to compare Edwin Diaz Jared Kelnick,

698
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: you kind of have to separate that in your mind

699
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: from that one and just think about the player you have,

700
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: Like this happened, it's awful, but we're here now. And

701
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: like he he didn't seem like he was that go

702
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: because he blew I think was eight saves and he

703
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: was just in a incapable of saving a game. On

704
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: the road, which is just a really weird, weird, horrible

705
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: function of Edmund did as his topsy turvy brain trumpets man,

706
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: no trumpets. You gotta get this man with the trumpets.

707
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: The Mets just hire a brass band than to travel

708
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: with the team and play the fucking trumpets themselves and out.

709
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: I can't deal with these splits because, like, while they're

710
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: stupid and they're not meaningful and it's all noise because

711
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: not enough to sample size, like there was realness to it,

712
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: because it was so fucking stark. But when you really

713
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: just break it all down, take the whole season in

714
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: one shot, he had the ninth highest f WAR out

715
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: of all relievers in baseball. His FIP and his expected

716
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: RA were each a full run lower in his actual RA,

717
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: and if not for that dumb jacob stalling stupid home

718
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: run that ruined the whole season X batting average of

719
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: ninety stupid first row left field PNC bullshit ballpark, his

720
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: RA would actually have drop from three five to two

721
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: eight more or less, which is a super acceptably RA

722
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: for reliever. And the big thing about Edwin, even though

723
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: that dumb hoolme run got out, his home runs were

724
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: way down this year. His home run for flyball was

725
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: five point three percent, by far, the lowest mark of

726
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: his career, one of the best marks of any reliever

727
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: in baseball, especially for a guy who loves to throw

728
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: high fast balls and hanging slyders Like god damn. The

729
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: only thing is that he just really wasn't good at

730
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: stranding runners, like whether he let them get on base

731
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: or he came in with inherited runners on. He had

732
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: the lowest strand rate of all the top twenty four

733
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: relievers in f WAR this season, which you just you

734
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: shouldn't have that when you miss him any bass as

735
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: Edmund does. And he was near the top of the

736
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: league again in k rate and k's minus walks and

737
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: with rate and swinging strike rate. It's just he's not

738
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: the best closed in the league anymore, and he's never

739
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: gonna be the like have the value of Jered Kelnick.

740
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: He's just pretty damn good, and we have to accept

741
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: that as Mets fans.

742
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's a fine closer now. He's good I

743
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: at home, We trust him at home. He's light out,

744
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: but like you said, on the road, there's just something

745
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: that goes on in his brain he is. He has

746
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: a head case. I think there's no way around it.

747
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: There's something, there's like some mental block that happens that

748
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: when he's on the road or in a certain situations,

749
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: I mean the non save situation thing. Even he has

750
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: no clue how to pitch in a non save situation.

751
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: I mean, part of that's on Luis Rojas for using

752
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: him or the Mets for continuing to use him in

753
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: those situations. But at some point, if you've got the talent,

754
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: you got to pitch, you know. So I think for me,

755
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz, fine season, I'm gonna give him like a

756
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: B minus. It was good, I g B. I think

757
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: he's a buy. Yeah, right around the same thing closer.

758
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: Their head cases. It's just part of the game. And

759
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: he's still the best pitch in your bullpen. So you

760
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: have to use him in those tie situations.

761
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: He can't handle it. That's on him.

762
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: Like everything would tell you that there's no reason, numbers wise,

763
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: that he shouldn't be able to do well in those situations.

764
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: He just has to just simply be better. And I mean,

765
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if you.

766
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: Will, if there's any you know, big preaching thing here

767
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: for Edwin Diaz. I watch him close games. Now I

768
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: watch him when he comes to the game. I used

769
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: to not watch this guy pitch. So we've grown now

770
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: to have some sort of trust in Edwin Diaz. I

771
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: still he's not one of these lightsile closers by any

772
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: means yet, but when his stuff is clicking, he is

773
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: pretty unhittable.

774
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: Quick quick ranking. I want to finish this up so

775
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: we can get to the rest of these grades. But

776
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: how many closers can you name right now that you

777
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: would rather have going into next season? The Edwin ds I,

778
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: I will challenge you to name five.

779
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: Oh, I could name five? Name five? All right, Rise Eglesias,

780
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a stretch, that's a he's good, he's better. No,

781
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: he's really good.

782
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: But I think that he's a little bit older than Edwin.

783
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 2: And while he had a great year, his loss, he's

784
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: gone down for the third year in a row. And

785
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: I don't know for some reason. This year the Angels

786
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: had some of that magic sprinkled ust, but they were

787
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: getting more strikecouts out.

788
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: Of all of their guys.

789
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: He's a free agent, and he if I would have

790
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: asked you that six months ago, you would have never

791
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: even considered naming him. He had two very down years

792
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: in a row. I think you're I think it's poppy cock.

793
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: But even I'll still get I'll still give you him

794
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: and tell you to continue.

795
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: All right, hater good Liam Hendricks.

796
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: Sure, even though again he had a pretty couple of

797
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: bad stretch this year is era.

798
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: With near edwins. I'll take him. I'll still take Craig

799
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: Kimberrell over him after what we saw. I know he

800
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: was good in the setup role, but he was great

801
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: as a closer with the cups. I'll take Craig. Who

802
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: else will I take? All Right, you might have got me,

803
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: but I'll still take the Cuban missile crisis too. I'll

804
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: still take Chapman.

805
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: I was actually wrong, Hendricks. Cira was very low two five.

806
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: I thought it was about three by the end of

807
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: the year. But again, like you're like, you're really gonna say, like,

808
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: I want Chapman, who had about a month this year

809
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: where he was boardline unusable.

810
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: Or I forget how to pitch.

811
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you you could like mix into like

812
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 2: some of the setup men like Blake Trianion. I believe

813
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: he's still in the league closer, like I believe Jonathan

814
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: Loaisiga could be the lead closer anywhere he goes. Anybody

815
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: on the rais and most guys, but they have to

816
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: be on the rays you want to take out off

817
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: the rays.

818
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I trust that that's true. Yeah,

819
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: I Edwin Diaz, like you said, he's probably right around

820
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: top ten closer in the league.

821
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: He's still an up rosestionial encloser. He's still basically a

822
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: tier two closer behind like Hayter and Hendricks. Like at

823
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's really hard for me

824
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: to say that Rossille and Galsias is much better than

825
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: Edmund Diaz as they currently stand.

826
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: That's fair. Definitely not much better. They're close. Let's talk

827
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: about an offensive guy now here, after our little Edwin

828
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: Daz tangent, because I think we could probably talk about

829
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: him for a while, Let's talk about a friend of

830
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: the channel, friend of the show. Jeff McNeil. Probably one

831
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: of the most disappointing seasons of the entire team. Just

832
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: from start to finish, nothing really went right from Jeff,

833
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: whether it was injuries or playing or just I mean,

834
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: he went through some really rough stretches or even the

835
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: ratcoon that happened. I mean, it was definitely a tough

836
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: year for McNeil. He just never really kind of had

837
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: it going toughier toughier. He kind of got figured out

838
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: a little bit. Big thing with him was the ground balls.

839
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: We mentioned it back when he had that huge stretch

840
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: of struggling. Hitting the ball on the ground right now

841
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: is a death sentence, and especially against smarter teams, which

842
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: happened to be when Jeff McNeil really started to hit

843
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: that skid. You're just not gonna get hits. And I

844
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: know you have the deeper numbers into here, but just

845
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: hitting the ball on the ground. That's kind of his

846
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: struggle right now. He's caught in between what kind of

847
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: player he can be or should be, and that's why

848
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: I think his season was a little bit turmoil. I

849
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: don't know, whatever the word is, I don't know.

850
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: With the te tumultuous, tumultuous, there it is, there you go. Yeah,

851
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: this was just the first year of Jeff McNeil's career

852
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: where he didn't have that patented Jeff McNeil hot streak.

853
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: Like while he struggled in the past, you could just

854
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: always count a six weeks from Jeff McNeil where it

855
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: feels like he never gets out, and that just never

856
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: came this year. And it's really weird to pull back

857
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: the curtain because there were not major differences in his

858
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: batted ball events, like some people like blamed him on

859
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: trying to pull the ball more, but he had the

860
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: exact same all fields approach he had this year he's

861
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: had every year in his career. His groundball and flat

862
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: ball raates were consistent, his launch angle was consistent, his

863
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: eggs of velocity was consistent. I didn't look up the

864
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: standards deviation of his launch angle. I actually missed that.

865
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: I forgot to check on that. But his average long

866
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: conengles a dump stat talked about that before, and he

867
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: actually hit the hardest ball of his career this season,

868
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: which I was kind of shocked to find out. But

869
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: it's just the ground balls are not effective anymore. The

870
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: league has figured out that Jeff McNeil hits ground balls,

871
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: and everyone knows where every ground ball is going now

872
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: because we have so much data and information to tell us,

873
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: And in turn, that made his batting average on ground

874
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: balls drop from three sixty one and twenty twenty to

875
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: two sixty six and twenty twenty one, one hundred point

876
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: drop is really insane. And his wOBA on ground balls

877
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: dropped from three forty three to two thirty nine. That's

878
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: not a good number there, Those are insane numbers. Ironically,

879
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: this year was actually the highest XOBA of his career

880
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: on ground balls, so the quality of his contact, like

881
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: I said, has not really changed at all. It's just

882
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: the other teams becoming much more wise to the type

883
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: of player Jeff MacNeil is, and this year he actually

884
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 2: had the highest average x of velocity on those ground

885
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: balls as well as the highest x wOBA, which this

886
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: just goes to show you that being a ground ball

887
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: hither in modern baseball is simply not going to get

888
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: it done. And that's a really sad truth to a

889
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: lot of I guess baseball fans and certain players. But

890
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: it's just it's really hard to find. There were so

891
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: many times this year wh Jeff McNeil's smoked balls and

892
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: they just found gloves. It happened over and over and

893
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: over again, seemingly more than every player on the Mets,

894
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: and it just all just snowballed and snowballed snowball and

895
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: he got mad, he threw his helmet and he just

896
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: never never, never found his way.

897
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: And then on top of that with all the injuries too,

898
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: like his hamstring, he he wasn't good for a good

899
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: portion of the year either. So I think that's yeah, yeah,

900
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge part of it too, is

901
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: just like you could you can watch him run, he

902
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: couldn't run full speed, Like this guy was not healthy

903
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: and he was just kind of battling through it. So

904
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: not that that's a saving grace, but like I do

905
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: cut him some slack there because the guy was playing

906
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: injured one hundred percent and that definitely had an impact

907
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: on his play Overall. Though a disappointing season, McNeil still

908
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: does bring that versatility. He could play second, he could

909
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: play third, he could play the outfield spots all pretty well.

910
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: So that alone gives him value. But it's for me,

911
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: it's a C grade and I think we're probably in

912
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: the same grade here. But it's a disappointing season, but

913
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: it's a see because like there's stuff there we we

914
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: know Jeff should bounce back. Just got to like figure

915
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: out what kind of player he's gonna be in the future.

916
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be the biggest thing this offseason

917
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: is like, what's he gonna commit to.

918
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: I also just want to say, real quick interruption that

919
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: Jeff Passing just now on ESPN said it would not

920
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: shock me if Matt Arnold wound up getting this Mets job.

921
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, all right, Jeff, that's good usually hates the Mets.

922
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: That's a good ones.

923
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, I also gave Jeff c because while he

924
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: wasn't hitting as well as we're used to him hitting,

925
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: he still can just do so many things that helps

926
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: the team. Like he's still a very smart player. He

927
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: still plays tons of positions, well everything he just said,

928
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: It's just going to be very interesting to see the

929
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: player he comes out as next year and whether he

930
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: adjusts or we just try to do more of the same.

931
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: And we've seen him try to take that step to

932
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: be like the launch angle League guy for lack of

933
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: a better term, where it coming into twenty twenty, Remember

934
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: he had the long hair, he was flowing a little

935
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: more upright with his stance, and he was, you know,

936
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: the uppercut he's always kind of had, but he was

937
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: really trying to drive the baseball. I think if McNeil

938
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: wants to go back to the value that he had

939
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: when he was at his best. That's gonna be the

940
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: way he has to do it. There might be some

941
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: ups and downs here because it's not the kind of

942
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: player that he came up as, but I really do

943
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: think that would be the best path for a guy

944
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: like Jeff mcnill to take. Probably right now, definitely, I agree.

945
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 2: It's just we're gonna wait and see what Jeff MacNeil

946
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: and if he's hope he's on this team next year,

947
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: and I hope he can talk to him sometime soon

948
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: about this stuff.

949
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: Yeah'd be great. Let's go back to the pitching side here.

950
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: Seth Lugo. Man, these guys are so weird. We just

951
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: got like three real tough ones here. Seth Lugo's really

952
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: hard because at times of this season he was unpitchable.

953
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: You couldn't put him on the mound. He just he

954
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out what to do. He just was throwing

955
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: his change up a lot. Like there was just a

956
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: lot of weird stuff going on with Seth Lugo, where

957
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't understand why, I don't understand how

958
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: we know he was coming back from like what he

959
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: had the bone chips in his elbow or something like

960
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: that that he got removed. It's another big thing that

961
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: probably played into his season. I just didn't have that

962
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: confidence at the end of the season of Seth Lugo

963
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: that I had at the start.

964
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: I got very deep into Lugo for this dive because

965
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: he's a guy who we regarded as one of the

966
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: best relievers in baseball multipleccasions, and he has been that

967
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 2: points in his career, but coming off a weird twenty

968
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: twenty where he wasn't super effective and basically playing hurt

969
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: in a lost season, it was just kind of more

970
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: of this weird stuff again. Like again, it's oddly this pointing,

971
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: but like most relievers who have twenty eight percent k

972
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: raight in a three five VR, we'd say that was

973
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: a pretty good year. Like that's a reliable reliever any

974
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: team would love to have in their bullpen. But that's

975
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: just not his ceiling. And it sucks watching Seth Lugo

976
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: not pitch had his stealing. When you pull all his

977
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: stuff out from under the hood, like things look a

978
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: little strange, Like this year his curveball had slightly less

979
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: drop than has ever had a tiny bit less, tiny

980
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: bit less, even though still had the most RPMs in

981
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: the league, so it's not like cause for major concern.

982
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: He also threw it nine percentage points more than he

983
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: did in twenty twenty, like almost back to those levels

984
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: he was threw in twenty eighteen and slightly more in

985
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, best season of his career, and he almost

986
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: completely cut that change up out because it's one of

987
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: his worst pitches. It was the least percent he ever

988
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: threw in his entire career, but a few times he

989
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: did throw it, it got hammered, and it was just

990
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: really questioned about why he ever really threw it at all.

991
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: He threw twenty three change ups all year, and it

992
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: gave up two home runs, and he gave seven home

993
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: runs in the whole season, two of them are on

994
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: the change up. He threw the pitch twenty three times.

995
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: The twenty three times he got one whiff and he

996
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: got no strikeouts. And he for some reason is fixated

997
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: on using this as a weapon against lefties to playoff

998
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: of his slider that he uses against righty's, even though

999
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: it's just stupid and it doesn't really work at all,

1000
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: Like It's really doesn't make any sense to me. And

1001
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: for some reason, he just threw the sinker more than

1002
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: he's ever thrown in his career, like twenty five percent

1003
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: of the time, almost as much as his four seemer

1004
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: and his curveball. I can't even begin to rationalize that, Like,

1005
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: there's no reason Seth Lugo has to lean into a

1006
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: contact pitch.

1007
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: It was the only pitch he threw more than.

1008
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: Five percent of the time, basically, besides the changeup that

1009
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: got less than thirty percent wif rate. It's like Moroni

1010
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: that he was throwing that offen and it got hit

1011
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: pretty hard, pretty consistently. Same with the slider. The slider

1012
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: is like nothing close to an elite pitch based on

1013
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: his movement profiles, nothing like the fastball or the curveball,

1014
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: which are both elite pitches, and he leaned into it.

1015
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: He was throwing the pitcher good the mount and it

1016
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: got whiffs but also got hit really, really hard. All

1017
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: three of those pitches were responsible for most of the

1018
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: damage he gave up. The fastball and the curveball were

1019
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: bordline unhittable, as they've been his entire career. I don't

1020
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: know why Seth Lugo was muddying the waters with this

1021
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: five pitch repertoire when he has two elite pitches and

1022
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: we've seen tons of relievers in baseball, some starters in

1023
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: baseball excel with a simple elite two pitch repertoire. It

1024
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 2: beyond me, and it makes absolutely no sense, and it's

1025
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: a little bit troubling for me, if I'm being honest.

1026
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about it before. I won one

1027
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: hundred percent. Im on the bandwagon of thinking that Seth

1028
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Lugo is still holding out to be a starting pitcher.

1029
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: I agree.

1030
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: I agree because he knows he's gonna be free agent sooner.

1031
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: You're gonna get more money if you say I can start.

1032
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: Drew Smiley got thirteen million dollars to scratch his dick

1033
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: for six months in pitch one game in the NLCS

1034
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: and dominate like he's gonna get another contract just the

1035
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: same next year, like you, drews to get more money

1036
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: as a starter, and Seth Lugo here is a good

1037
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: starter's repertoire if he had a sinker and a slider

1038
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: that we're like fine, but that he can mix in

1039
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: when you get through the order for a second time, like, sure,

1040
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: you'll be a good five inning pitcher with this repertoire.

1041
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: But if he wants to be one of the best

1042
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 2: relievers in baseball, and it's certainly in the mets best

1043
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: interest to develop him into being one of the best

1044
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: relievers in baseball, he has to, I would say, cut

1045
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: out all three of those pitches and only throw fastballs

1046
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: and curveballs.

1047
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And it kind of led to that weird season.

1048
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: Like you said, what grade you going with Lugo here,

1049
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm giving.

1050
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: Him a C plus because this seems like something that

1051
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: could be so easily fixed and it wasn't.

1052
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in that C minus sea range. So relatively

1053
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: same thing. Just just a season that was had basically

1054
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: nothing much to it. No, definitely not.

1055
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: And now a more positive note as we get back

1056
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: to the hitting, Probably the most impressive hitting performance that

1057
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: the Met's had this year in terms of like an

1058
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: expected value over actual value this year was Brandon Neimo

1059
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: Extend Demo, Baby.

1060
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: I threw money at the camera, pay my man, give

1061
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: him in. I got one dollar here, Steve, what's it

1062
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: gonna take for you to give Nimo this one dollar

1063
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: to extend him? Because I want this guy in the

1064
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: Origin Blue for a very very long time. He's just

1065
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: a fucking ball player. I love Brandon.

1066
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: He just does so many things well, Like he gave

1067
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: up a lot of his power for contact and like

1068
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: less strikeouts. But I think that's a great adjustment to

1069
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 2: make for one of the pre eminent leagloff hitters in baseball.

1070
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: And I will say that because brand Nemo is an

1071
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: on base machine. His strikeout rate has gone from being

1072
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: below average to above average for the second year in

1073
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: a row, right, that twenty percent range, Like we gotta

1074
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: stay there. That'll do everything and above all else man

1075
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: the center field defense, Like, holy crap, Well.

1076
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: It feels like this was like the first I mean,

1077
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: he still had some injuries here and they're like still

1078
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: a little nicked up, but like it just it felt

1079
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: like he looked really strong this year, even though he

1080
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: wasn't hit from power. He just looked like a very

1081
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: healthy human. I don't know how to say it anyway else.

1082
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: I mean, the longer you get out of say Ala Wyoming,

1083
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: the healthier gonna be.

1084
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: That's that's my mo though. Yeah, and uh we know

1085
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: that he's you know, probably doing his own little workout

1086
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: stuff that works for him too. Does whatever Nimo does,

1087
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: keep it going, because he really was one of the

1088
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: best players on the Mets this year. You could see

1089
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: it with the offense. When Nimo is in the lineup,

1090
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: he definitely changed things. He gets on base like nobody else.

1091
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: I mean, like he's an elite on bass guy. Like

1092
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: you said, you're talking Wan Soto, Mike Trout like levels

1093
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: for how much he gets on base. The dude's in

1094
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: absolute stud Whether you want to believe it or not.

1095
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: Brendon Nimo is an important cog to this team, an

1096
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: important player, and one of the best leadoff hitters in

1097
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: the league. The Mets need to keep this guy around

1098
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: as long as possible.

1099
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And if you just look at like Nimo's career

1100
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: at this point, it's like shocking how impressive he is.

1101
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: If you take him from twenty eighteen until now, he's

1102
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: top twenty five and all Baseball on WRC plus, he's

1103
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: top thirty. If you just take from twenty nineteen, even

1104
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: removed the best year of his career because it happened

1105
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. Now it's four years ago. But it's just

1106
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 2: like it's shocking to really think about the production that

1107
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: Brandon them will provide and how consistently he does it.

1108
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: And again you take this year, eighty nine percent tile

1109
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: and outs above average and only ninety two games, Like,

1110
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: that's not a rate stat that's how many plays that

1111
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: you made that were above average. That's an incredible achievement

1112
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: for a guy who was well below average coming.

1113
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: Into the season.

1114
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: And just again, it's a little bit unerving that the

1115
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: Mets kept these awful center fielders on the roster all

1116
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: year when you could have had these great cornerhole fielders

1117
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: that were available for nothing. He hit me the Braves

1118
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: playing the World Series tonight.

1119
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: With the NLCSMVP that they traded for fucking Pablo sand

1120
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: of All, who the Indians then caught immediately.

1121
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could have been a good chance at the

1122
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: residio of Jack Peuis and jorgez Seler and Alam Duval

1123
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: could have been the Orange of Blue and the second

1124
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: half might have gone differently because brand new Will held

1125
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: down center field at an elite way. Then you bring

1126
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: it back to the hitting ninety six percentile on walk

1127
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: grate one hundredth percentile and chase rate sixth the low

1128
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: with chase rate in baseball. The only guys ahead of

1129
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: him were Wan so Though Tommy fam he has Moni Grandal,

1130
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: Robbie Gross and Max Munsey.

1131
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: Those are those guys are basically the Mount.

1132
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: Rushmore of walking in baseball, and those are the only

1133
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: people with the lower chase rate than Brandon Nimo. It's

1134
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: just the power was a little bit off. No barrels

1135
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: four percent barrels by far, lowest rate of his career.

1136
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: But he was still like somehow in the seventieh percent

1137
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: title in Xwoba, and he hit the hardest ball off

1138
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: his career, the one hundred eleven point five miles an hour.

1139
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: And I feel like the thing with Nimo too is

1140
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: like when like we saw him drive a couple of

1141
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: balls this year and like the power exists, it just

1142
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: seems like he's making a conscious effort to not be

1143
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: that type of hitter in order to preserve the average

1144
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: in on base percentage stuff, which like when you are

1145
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: elite at that stuff, you can do that.

1146
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: No, definitely, And I'm I'm especially because his ex wOBA

1147
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: still wound up in the seventeh percent high of all

1148
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: baseball players. I'm very fine with his adjustment because he's

1149
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: still producing at an elite level. Sam with WRC plus

1150
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: it was still well above one hundred. Like there's multiple

1151
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: ways to skin a cat, and modern baseball wouldn't tell

1152
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: you that because home wressers or valuable than anything else.

1153
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: But if you're striking out less than twenty percent of time,

1154
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: walking fifteen percent of the time, and playing elite center

1155
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: field defense, you're a premier player in baseball. This is

1156
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: the guy that Mets has been looking for for years,

1157
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: and he's right in front of their noses. Yep, you

1158
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: have to extend him. You gotta play him. And I

1159
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: give brand Nemo an a a resounding.

1160
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: A A A plus. Whatever you want to do, Brandon

1161
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: Nemo A plus you cast can't really do because ninety

1162
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: two games, I guess, But regardless, he's he's awesome. Your

1163
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: injury prone until you're not, yes, exactly. And then let's

1164
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: talk about our final player here, which is gonna lead

1165
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: us too, our final segment too. That is Javier Baiez,

1166
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: who is what a rollercoaster ride he's been with the

1167
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: New York Mets. Who would have thought that, like two

1168
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: months of a guy would have so many stories in

1169
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: the headlines, But Hovey did that, especially not in the

1170
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: playoff race. Yeah, the good, the bad, the ugly, I

1171
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: mean the good is that boy was he really good.

1172
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: He completely, like kind of changed the player that he

1173
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: was with the Mets. He started walking more, he started

1174
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: being a little more patient at the plate, and like

1175
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: we said, he still continued to mash when a pitcher

1176
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: made a mistake. When he hits the ball, he hits

1177
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: it damn well, damn well.

1178
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: And only forty six games of the Mets he hit

1179
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: two ninety five, three sixty four, five twelve With Hobby bias,

1180
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: I think two ninety five that is just an astounding number.

1181
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

1182
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 2: Nine homers, thirty one run score, twenty one RBIs five steals,

1183
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty WRC plus and the big ones

1184
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: like you alluded to seven percent walk rate and just

1185
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: a twenty nine percent k rate, And of course we

1186
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: don't want to give a ton of credit for the

1187
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: twenty nine percent k rate, but that is compared to

1188
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 2: his four percent thirty six percent in the first half

1189
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: with the Cubs, walking STRAK I Ray, respectively. So maybe

1190
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: it could have been a focus thing playing on a

1191
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: bad team that wasn't really involved. Maybe it could have

1192
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: been a mess player development thing. But the question is,

1193
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: and this is going to lead us into our little

1194
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: Hobby Bias contract discussion, is can we really rely on

1195
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: those changes?

1196
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: And that's that's the hard thing with Hobby is because

1197
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: it's forty six games. It's not like we've had one

1198
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two of him being this patient hitter,

1199
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: this guy who's mashing at the plate and putting up

1200
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: these WRC pluses and the MVP type levels. It's really hard.

1201
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: It's really hard to determine what he's worth. It's really

1202
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 1: hard to determine if he's gonna stay that way. I mean,

1203
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: he's he was an a for us in the forty

1204
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: six games that he played. I think there's no doubt

1205
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: in that. But will he be an a for us

1206
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: for the rest of this contract? What kind of contract

1207
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: does he want? How much does he want to get paid?

1208
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: That is, honestly the biggest storyline of this Javier Bias

1209
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: offseason is what is he gonna want? Because there is

1210
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: a value there. He is a good player, we know that,

1211
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: and he's regardless always going to be great in the field,

1212
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: sick glove awesome there, and he can play second short

1213
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: third and even played a little outfield years past with

1214
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: the Cubs. It's not outfielder, but he could if you

1215
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: need to, because you're good athlete baseball. But how much

1216
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: is that worth? That's what really comes down to.

1217
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: And it's kind of like a sophie's choice with him,

1218
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: because while most baseball players just based on the projections

1219
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: and the stats and the models that exist, like you

1220
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 2: could basically pinpoint most guys, you can give a range,

1221
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: especially hitters, you can give a range for how valuable

1222
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: a guy is going to be, and really can't do

1223
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 2: that with Javier Bias, Like that second half was sick.

1224
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: Those fifty games that he played with the Mets from

1225
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: July thirty the first of the end of the year

1226
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: were incredible, but the day that one forty WRC plus

1227
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: was just barely inside the top thirty in all of

1228
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball, And you wouldn't have thought that because

1229
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 2: he was dominant every stretch of the imagination. But still

1230
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: striking out nearly thirty percent of the time is killing

1231
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: that value. And even when you look at like again

1232
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: he has he is like pretty good defensively, he's elite

1233
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: at the positions, not shortstop, but he played a lot

1234
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: of shortstop because Francisco Lindor was injured, and that kind

1235
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: of he pulled down his defensive rating a little bit.

1236
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 2: While he's fine there, he's really not great. And just

1237
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: to compare him to somebody that all the Mets fans

1238
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 2: know and love very well. From July thirty first until

1239
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 2: the end of the season, in slightly more games, Ahmed

1240
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: Rosario was worth more f WAR than Javier Bias.

1241
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's pretty eye opening right there. I wasn't

1242
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: expecting to hear that.

1243
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: And while he was striking out less and he was

1244
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: still putting the ball out of the ballpark, his ISO

1245
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: dropped down to two seventeen, which that's not a good

1246
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: enough sample to take in an ISO, but it's still

1247
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: like a little bit of a low mark for him,

1248
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: which is a little bit troubling while he's making these

1249
00:51:58,719 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: games and played this.

1250
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I know, this is like it's a little,

1251
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: i don't know, not necessarily fair. But if you look

1252
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: around the league with some of the guys that have

1253
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: k rates and walk rates similar to what Hovey Bay

1254
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: has had, there's not a whole lot of names that

1255
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: jump off the page of guys you need to pay

1256
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: twenty five thirty million dollars a year. Two. I mean,

1257
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: just a quick baseball savant search, I'm looking at Nick

1258
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 1: Mayton twenty nine point a k R eight seven point

1259
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: six walk rate, Like why could that be where you start?

1260
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: Just because like that's what I'm saying, Like, you know,

1261
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: just throwing out names here that are relatively similar. We're

1262
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: not talking about you know, like a fronimil Reyes is

1263
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: one of the premier home run hitters of the league.

1264
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: So you kind of take the strikeouts there because he's

1265
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: gonna drop thirty forty home runs for you.

1266
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: He's also not playing any defense, you know.

1267
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's also not playing any defense. That's that's the thing.

1268
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: It's tough. Yeah, I mean you have a Tyler O'Neal

1269
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: who does similar stuff, but he is six. So, like,

1270
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: where do you value a guy like this? Because his

1271
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: range of outcomes is so so drastic, Like we saw

1272
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: in the forty six game stretch, he could be a

1273
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: difference maker, he can be a game changer, or like

1274
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: we saw in twenty twenty in that sixty game stretch,

1275
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: the dude can stink and hurt your team. So what

1276
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: do you do? How do you pay him in Thank

1277
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: God we don't have to make this decision, because I

1278
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: will not be able to sleep at night. It's so tough.

1279
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: The one thing that does separate Javey Bayas from a

1280
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: guy like Nick Mayton, who's versatile defensive player and who

1281
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: has similar play discipline numbers as him, is that he

1282
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: really does barrel up the baseball. And we've learned that

1283
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: year over year, barrels are a sticky stat and they

1284
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 2: really prove to guys having prolonged power. And Javi Baya's

1285
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 2: main adjustment twenty eighteen season where he was just like

1286
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: kind of a soft hitting guy who strikes out loud

1287
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: and played flashy defense early in his career to being

1288
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: one of the premier power bats in baseball because he

1289
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 2: barrows the ball up ten eleven to twelve percent of time,

1290
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: and that, even while he's been bad at times, has

1291
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: stuck and that I believe will continue to stick. So

1292
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: while the strikeouts are iffy, I think that we can

1293
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 2: absolutely count on Javier Bias being a thirty to forty

1294
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: home run bat. Maybe a city field might kill that

1295
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: a little bit, as we know, because city field is

1296
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: just a healthscape for the others and he's still going

1297
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: to be able to play three infield positions, two of

1298
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: them about in a above average way. But I think

1299
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 2: that the problem with Jave and basically saying what you're saying,

1300
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: is that we get wrapped up in who he is

1301
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: more than his real life impact. Like him barely having

1302
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: a top thirty WRC plus and having a lower f

1303
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 2: war than Amed Rosario over that fifty game stretch is

1304
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: alarming to say the least, because it felt like he

1305
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: was dominating games. And it does feel like that because

1306
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: he is this incredible character and he's flashing, and he's fun,

1307
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: and he's athletic, and he does wild base running and

1308
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 2: he makes insane plays, and he has Bravado and machiz

1309
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: Mo him and Francisco indoor dancing and driving and hanging out.

1310
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: But when you actually look at the baseball impact, it

1311
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: is not what you see with your eyes. And this

1312
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: is this is gonna be a big test for all

1313
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: the teams around the league in terms of I guess,

1314
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: basically analytical thinking and how everyone's gonna value hobby bias,

1315
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: because if there's one dinosaur out there, like the Colorado Rockies,

1316
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: for example, who are like I'm gonna give Hobby Bayez

1317
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: two hundred million dollars over seven years. You're not matching that.

1318
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to match that. And he's gonna go

1319
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 2: to Colorado, just again as an example. I'm not saying

1320
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: Colorado is ever gonna pay anybody because they don't really

1321
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: like to. But it's really about who's going to set

1322
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: this bar and where Javier buy is going to be valued.

1323
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: That's going to determine whether or not he actually comes back,

1324
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: because I just don't think it's two hundred million dollars player,

1325
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: But I also don't really think anybody else does either.

1326
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: No, and I would be shocked if he got an

1327
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: offer of two hundred million dollars. If it's the Mets.

1328
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about this, I think last episode

1329
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: a little bit about what the Javier Bias contract could

1330
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: signal for the Mets going forward, and I think it

1331
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: could be a lot of different things. If they go

1332
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 1: an aggressive route of short term big money. I think

1333
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: something that we've thrown around in conversations with each other,

1334
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: like three for ninety, which would be super super aggressive.

1335
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: But you're paying a high price for the short term

1336
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: contract here because Hobby Bias as he gets older, is

1337
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: a really, really scary player that's.

1338
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: Signing Javier Bias for more than four or five years

1339
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 2: would shake me to my core. And again, over paying

1340
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: a guy for his prime will probably wound up being

1341
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 2: worth it, like it'll probably wind up being value added

1342
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: for this Mets team, because there's no doubt that for

1343
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: the next three seasons, Hoavier buyers will be an elite defender,

1344
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: a second and third with the capability of covering a

1345
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: short stop and being an elite power bat as much

1346
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 2: a's gonna strike out, sure, what fucking ever, but there

1347
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: seems to be something that he does that elevates certain

1348
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: people around him, which is also meaningful, even though you

1349
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: can't put that into numbers, and it's hard to put

1350
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: Hobvier bias into numbers. The Steamer projections came out to

1351
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: the Fangraphs and they hate Hoavier Bias. Next year, They

1352
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: project them for a ninety two WRST plus, which is like,

1353
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 2: alarmingly no, They're projected to be less than two win

1354
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: player next year, a negative value added on offense and

1355
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: jumping back to having a thirty two percent strikeout rate,

1356
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: and of course that is waging his whole season evenly.

1357
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 2: So it's not splitting up the differences in his played

1358
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: discipline with the Mets and Cubs, but from like a

1359
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 2: very baseline projection, like it's hard to really argue with that.

1360
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with Hobby two, like we're gonna be You're

1361
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 1: gonna have to pay him minimum minimum. The absolute cheapest

1362
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: I think you could ever get him out of contract

1363
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,959
Speaker 1: is twenty million dollars a year. I don't know how.

1364
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: That's gonna be, Like basically the qualifying offer that, yeah,

1365
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: it's been offered.

1366
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: Going twenty million dollars, and then you have to value

1367
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: like think about can that twenty million dollars be spent

1368
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: better elsewhere? And it might be like you just gave

1369
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: a med Rosario who was on the Mets, And by

1370
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: no means is anyone think of d Rosario as a

1371
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: twenty million dollar player, No shot in hell. But he

1372
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: has the same value in that time span as somebody

1373
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: who is so like it's so hard to project a

1374
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: player like Haavey that the Mets really have to make

1375
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: a conscious decision here if they're gonna sign Javy or Bias,

1376
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: they have to go for it balls deep. I mean,

1377
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: they have to go so hard that means Carlos Korea,

1378
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: that means Marcus Stroman. That means they have to go

1379
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: get some names, because you're really gonna be kind of

1380
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: handcuffing yourself here with that luxury tax situation. By bringing

1381
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: back Javier or Bias on a big contract, you're basically

1382
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: gonna go over the luxury tax right there. It feels

1383
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: like in this season you're gonna go over it. Son

1384
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: You've got If you're over it, you might as well

1385
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: go way over it at this point because you're gonna

1386
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: be stucking it for a while. I mean, it comes

1387
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: down to this. We unfortunately have fucking Robinson Canoh's getting

1388
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: that twenty million dollars, and if we didn't, this hoavi

1389
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: Er Bias situation becomes a little bit easier. But still

1390
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: figuring out his value is always gonna be tough because

1391
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: he's just so volatile he is.

1392
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: And just to like give you like a very small

1393
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: comparison here that might like possibly shake you to your core.

1394
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: Oh boy, there's there's another second baseman who's out there

1395
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: who is the opposite of Hovey Bias in terms of flash, frills, excitement.

1396
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: All this other jazz.

1397
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: But the guy's just steady, and he's gonna be cheap

1398
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: at shit.

1399
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: Can I guess? Yeah, I guess Colton Wong. No, Okay,

1400
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: he's got two years deals. Ah he did, Okay, who

1401
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: is it?

1402
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: It?

1403
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: Says a Hernandez. And I'm not saying I want, says

1404
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: Hernandez on the mess. But the guy was worth four

1405
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: point two b war last year. He is a guy

1406
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: who in terms of actual baseball, not like I'm not

1407
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: actual baseball because that's on the field, in terms of numbers,

1408
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: and if you're looking at things from like a very

1409
00:58:53,440 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: strict analytical perspective, he is a clear, clear value, better

1410
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 2: perceived value proposition than have your bias no doubt about,

1411
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: because you're gonna be able to sign, says Hernandz. Is

1412
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: for twelve million dollars maximum maybe yeah, one year, one

1413
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: year for eleven Like that's this, says a Hernandez, like

1414
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 2: line right there. He lives in that range. That is

1415
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: gonna be something that the Mets have to contend with internally,

1416
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: whether it's worth paying for a guy who has the

1417
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: superstar potential but just this awful, awful floor, or just

1418
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: again using that money and filling in the roster with

1419
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 2: multiple players rather than just one yeah, and.

1420
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: That's uh, that's all. We got to figure out this

1421
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: president of Baseball operations thing too here, because if we're

1422
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: if we're making these moves on Hovey bias, like it's

1423
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: been rumored, you'd seemingly want the guy who's in charge

1424
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: of the team to be part of these contract negotiations,

1425
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: to be part of the construction of the team. Now

1426
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: feel really weird. If he wasn't, that'd be a weird move.

1427
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: It really would be weird. And just again to talk

1428
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: about this president baseball operations thing and the way it

1429
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: relates to an organizational philosophy. Whoever's eventually gonna manage this team.

1430
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: Dusty Baker's had a quote his introductory press counts for

1431
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 2: the World Series, So I think this would a good

1432
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: quote to end the show on. They were like, Dusty,

1433
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: how does it feel working for a very analytically forward

1434
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: front office? Like does that go against your old school mentality?

1435
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: Dusty Baker the Goat says, I don't believe in old school,

1436
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: and I don't believe in new school. I just believe

1437
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 2: in the right school. I like that, that's true. We

1438
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: all have to get on that train. Whoever is gonna

1439
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: do this job right and be smart and be on

1440
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: top of this stuff. That is all that matters.

1441
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: Well, that's like just to keep going here on like

1442
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: the right school. I don't understand the backlash of against

1443
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: the nerds, against the guys who were winning, because we

1444
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: see the teams that are here, even the Braves, who are,

1445
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, at their fundamental core kind of old school.

1446
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: But there was a point in the season where they

1447
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: played the Mets, and I think the Mets like trounced them,

1448
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: where they beat us whatever it was like in June

1449
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: or July, and the next day their shifting went from

1450
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: like eight percent in the league to fifty sixty percent

1451
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: every single game. And from that point on, the Brave

1452
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: season turned around. They're pitching automatic, quick, automatically became better.

1453
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: There's things here that people are just glancing over because

1454
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: it's done by a nerd. And sure, if you would

1455
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: ask me five years ago, I probably would have had

1456
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: that same take. But it's twenty twenty one now. There's

1457
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: no excuse to be sleeping. If Dusty Baker who walks

1458
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: around with a toothpick in his mouth and where and

1459
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: it's about as old school as it looks can get

1460
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: behind the analytics wave or this new way of thinking

1461
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: in baseball. There's no reason you at home shouldn't be

1462
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: It's just smarter, it's right, It's how you win baseball

1463
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: games now.

1464
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 2: And also, like we could say the Braves are old

1465
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 2: school all we want, but at the end of the day,

1466
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: they have capitalized on an incredible market inefficiency that existed

1467
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball, and it was acquiring actual Major

1468
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 2: League Baseball players, like guys like the four guys they got,

1469
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: Jack Peterson, Eddi Rozzario, Jorges Hilaire and Adam Duvall were

1470
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 2: all basically ostracized over the last few offseasons because they

1471
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: were labeled as one dimensional players, guys who could only

1472
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: hit and play corner outfield defense. Well, at the end

1473
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 2: of the day, you have nine guys in your lineup

1474
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: and you have two corner affield spots. You need guys

1475
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: to stand in. Adam Devall wasn't playing fucking centerfield these

1476
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 2: robing hole runs in the NLC. Yess Like, this is

1477
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 2: conversation that the Braves are old school and this is

1478
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: gonna be a loss for the nerds, But like, there's

1479
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: not idiots running this front office, like I don't think

1480
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 2: Alex Anthopoulos is, Like I don't believe in analytics for

1481
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: even one moment at all. Like boy, yeah, it could

1482
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: be a very good Greek boy because again, the Ressario,

1483
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: Jack Peterson and am de val Hories Hilaire just did

1484
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: a strikeout, strike out, home run guys, like this is

1485
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: what the game is now and they got them for free.

1486
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 2: And we can't really pooh pooh aggressiveness even if you

1487
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: people think it bucks conventional analytic wisdom, because I don't

1488
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 2: think it does.

1489
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: No, it does. It's it's tough, man. We gotta get

1490
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: the right people in place. Here's how we're gonna end

1491
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: it here. We talked about Hobby Bias. Are you signing

1492
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: him and if so, what's the contract you're offering him

1493
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: or whether the Mets giving him.

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Speaker 2: I would love to lock Hovey byas in for one

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Speaker 2: of those Like again, I'm assuming that the lug that

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Speaker 2: money is not an object and we don't really care

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Speaker 2: about this shit.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not.

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Speaker 2: We're not the Oakland A's, We're not even a team

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Speaker 2: like like a team that spends a lot of money,

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Speaker 2: but not a lot like the White Sox who pulled

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Speaker 2: in Sazon Hernandez. We're not We're not her names for

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Speaker 2: ten millions and getting twelve other guys because we could

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Speaker 2: sign Javier Bias and still sign guys like Markanaha and

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Speaker 2: Chris Taylor and all this stuff. I'm giving Hovey like

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Speaker 2: we said, I would give him like three for eighty

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Speaker 2: five and like cross my fingers that no one goes

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Speaker 2: above that. And by the buy out, the guy's prime

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Speaker 2: has an electric Puerto Rican middle endfield and just pray

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Speaker 2: that we can catch his lightning in a bottle again

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Speaker 2: into it because I just don't want this to be

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Speaker 2: an assessed with this.

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Speaker 1: I don't do you want Hobby Bias back.

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Speaker 2: I Wantjavy buyas at the right price. I would not want.

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Speaker 2: I would be scared if I had Hobby for four years.

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Speaker 2: I would be out if it's more than four years,

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Speaker 2: unless it was like five years and you're basically just

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Speaker 2: paying mates to qualifying off for five years, then you

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Speaker 2: could still find value there. But I would definitely not

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Speaker 2: back up the brinks truck as they say for Javier Bias.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and I'm in the same boat. I want Javier

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Speaker 1: Bias back for the right price because I think he

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Speaker 1: can be a very very good player that price being

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Speaker 1: similar to you three for eighty, I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: probably gonna take four for one hundred. He probably wants

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Speaker 1: like four for one ten or something like that. He

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Speaker 1: probably just wants a little over twenty five at the minimum.

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Speaker 1: Is he worth it? Not really up to my decision

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Speaker 1: at this point, But again, if money's not an object,

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Speaker 1: I think it's worth the risk. On the short term

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Speaker 1: end of things, I don't want to see a five,

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Speaker 1: six year, seven year contract. No way in hell.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely, because again the end of the day, Hobbies

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Speaker 2: has really only been elite for one year of his career,

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Speaker 2: and he was elite that year. Did he win the MVP.

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Speaker 1: No, he came in second to Yelich.

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Speaker 2: I believe he came in second Yelis. He had twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: You're right about that, and then the year after that

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Speaker 2: he was a very good player. He was worth four

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Speaker 2: point three wins, and twenty twenty he was a bismol.

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Speaker 2: And this year he had two months where he was

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Speaker 2: very powerful but also very strange and wounds up as

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Speaker 2: just like a three and a half win player. That's

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Speaker 2: a very good player in terms of baseball. But that's

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Speaker 2: not a guy who you look at and give the

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Speaker 2: keys to. He's significantly worse than guys like Francisco Lindora,

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Speaker 2: and I would say even not significantly, but he's probably

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Speaker 2: similar in value to a guy like Brandon Nemo, which

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Speaker 2: is a crazy thing to say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'd love to hear what you guys think

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Speaker 1: about this too, because this is gonna be a super

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Speaker 1: polarizing debate topic of conversation in the Mets world. So

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Speaker 1: you're thinking about the Javier Bias contract situation. We'd love

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Speaker 1: to know what you guys think. We do love interacting

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Speaker 1: tweet James at Jeter had no range. We love interacting

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Speaker 1: with you guys, So we're gonna wrap up here. Episode

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