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Speaker 1: is advised. Hello, welcome back to Talking to Death. I'm

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Speaker 1: Payne Lindsay. This is my friend Mike. I'm still kind

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Speaker 1: of getting used to these intros. It feels a little

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Speaker 1: bit like I'm on some top forty radio station and

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Speaker 1: I want to trigger some horn sound or something. I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: It just feels like that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's too good about.

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Speaker 3: This.

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Speaker 1: Sounds kind of cool. But I'm not gonna lie. My

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Speaker 1: head hurts today. There's bad Drake's on his way, is he?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, if that.

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Speaker 2: Is, it's like, yeah, Drake's like, oh my god, I

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Speaker 2: got you on that remix.

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Speaker 1: Now, God I wish. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie. I'm

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Speaker 1: a little a little slow today. You know, it's my birthday.

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Speaker 1: You don't care. I don't even care. But I went

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Speaker 1: out last night and I probably had about five too many,

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Speaker 1: not one too many, about.

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Speaker 3: Five five total.

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Speaker 1: No, that's yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Had a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of it's kind of messed up because I

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Speaker 1: feel like when it's your birthday and you're out with

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Speaker 1: your friends, they always try to get you sick. Basically,

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Speaker 3: Well, they want you to add fun.

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Speaker 1: But like part of it's like they want to see you,

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Speaker 1: like a look at you birthday boy, and you're like,

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Speaker 1: come on man. So of course they were giving me

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Speaker 1: shots and stuff. But I don't even do shots anymore.

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Speaker 1: I can't, Like there was a phase of my life

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Speaker 1: where I did fireball. I can't even look at fireball

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Speaker 1: saying it makes me feel sick. But all that to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm here on my birthday for you guys,

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Speaker 1: also because I'm contractually obligated to be here. Kind Of

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Speaker 1: this is new to me, this intro outro thing, but

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Speaker 1: it's kind of fun. I like just kind of shooting

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Speaker 3: It's weird. It'll get easier as we go, but I

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Speaker 2: It does awkward silence, run the horn, run it.

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Speaker 1: Cut it up. God, I don't wake you up. It's

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Speaker 1: truly good for your hangover. It's just that sound.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you should throw these headphones layering in your ears.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm here. I'm a I'm a trooper.

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Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was taking advantage of last

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Speaker 1: night to the amusement of my friends with all the

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Speaker 1: shots that they gave me. And I'm glad that you

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Speaker 1: guys had fun. But I'm paying the price today. I

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Speaker 1: think this is the first year where officially I don't

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Speaker 1: care at all about my birthday. Like it, I no

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Speaker 1: longer care about my birthdays. I'm turning, all right, I'm turned.

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Speaker 1: I turned thirty six, which there's just nothing special about

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Speaker 1: that now, And there'll always be someone who's forty six

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Speaker 1: who says, yeah, well you just wait. Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: care right now, I'm thirty six, and there's nothing to

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Speaker 1: I am young, but I'm I'm not too old yet.

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Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, thirty is one thing. Even thirty five

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, oh, we're getting there. Thirty six like I

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Speaker 1: feel like thirty six through forty bullshit. Yeah, forty is

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Speaker 1: like the big one, but thirty six through thirty nine,

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Speaker 1: no one cares. I don't care.

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Speaker 3: I haven't liked birthday since twenty five. I wasn't even

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Speaker 3: looking forward to thirty. What do you get at thirty?

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Speaker 2: At thirty five don't get shit? Yeah yeah, I haven't

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Speaker 2: gotten shit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no like, oh, you made it. You made

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Speaker 3: it to your thirties, right, you know, and it's forty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because now you're in your forties. Yeah right, I

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Speaker 1: mean because thirty was like, Okay, that's cool. I've been

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Speaker 1: and then thirty one through thirty four the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Thirty five is like, okay, I split the difference.

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Speaker 1: Now now it's like okay, now I'm just basically forty

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Speaker 1: but not yet, so I could do without celebrating it.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. If you're offended that I don't like my

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Speaker 1: thirty six year old self, just know that in ten

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Speaker 1: years I'll be looking at this and saying you're an

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Speaker 1: idiot paint, because now you're forty six and you.

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Speaker 2: Didn't appreciate it when you when you were thirty six.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you'll be watching this in ten years, right, maybe.

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Speaker 1: But you will watch them every day for the next day, like.

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Speaker 3: Remember in the old the good old day, good old days.

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Speaker 1: God, that sounds scary.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that at all, but you're you might

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Speaker 2: not be wrong, you know who.

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Speaker 3: That's a good one to watch though.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I'll stop talking about my birthday.

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Speaker 1: No one cares. I don't even care. But that's a fact.

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Speaker 1: It's true. Ironically, I got you a gift for my birthday. What, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got you a gift.

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Speaker 2: No you haven't. Oh, I'm just that good of a friend.

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Speaker 3: Is it that gatorade right there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? You want to finish it? There's only like a

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Speaker 3: I actually do want it.

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Speaker 1: I got I'm actually like, I'm excited to give you this.

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Speaker 1: But I'll be honest. They just didn't fit me. But

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Speaker 1: but they're dope. They're dope though.

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Speaker 3: Hand me down, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Open them up, because that's that's actually that's the wrong

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Speaker 1: brand of the box. Did you wear these? Yeah? So

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Speaker 1: I wear a size eleven. These are sweet and I

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Speaker 1: wear a size eleven definitively in all Nikes. But for

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Speaker 1: some reason, these rand small. They're gonna kill my toes.

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Speaker 3: You're a big Nike guy. These are definitely These are cool.

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Speaker 1: They're cool though they're playing Jane White sneakers, but they're

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Speaker 1: not the boring ones. They're like the Hey, where'd you

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Speaker 1: get those ones? Though?

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Speaker 2: Everyday sneaker.

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Speaker 3: I got you.

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Speaker 1: These boys, so I'm too lazy to take it back.

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Speaker 2: I've probably already missed the deadline, so.

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Speaker 3: Probably here you go. Thank you. You got me one? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: next year I get the other one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I keep the other one. It's collateral.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Payne, thank you.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome.

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Speaker 3: Such a nice guy on your birthday?

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Speaker 1: Would you get me?

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Speaker 3: I was gonna hand you my hoodie that I took.

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Speaker 1: I don't want your clothes, bro, Actually I got you

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Speaker 1: new shoes. I don't want your hand me downs.

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Speaker 3: It's my favorite hoodie though.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give it back to you, okay, because

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, I'm cold. God, dude, if I can't,

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Speaker 1: it's too sharp. Someone is in their car right now, like, God,

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Speaker 1: do we get it? Turn it down? Don't do it again.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna make it way lower than that.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're also the one who's at in your house

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Speaker 1: So that's the job I want. I want the job

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Speaker 1: God, I remember my parents cracking up to your joke

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Speaker 1: The fact of life.

434
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 4: Out of all the cereals, Captain crunch is the most

435
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 4: time intensive. Here's what I'm talking about. If you eat

436
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 4: it too soon after you pour the milk on, you

437
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 4: will rip the roof of your mouth to shreds. You

438
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 4: wait too long after you pour the milk on, and

439
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 4: the captain will put a film on your teeth a

440
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 4: wirebrush can't.

441
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 1: Get rid of.

442
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 4: And Imber, I just had that thought one time. It's like,

443
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 4: what the hell is this film that Captain crunch gives

444
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 4: you if you let it sit too long? Yeah, that

445
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 4: was a thought I had. So I just trust that

446
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 4: thought enough to throw it out there. And now people

447
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 4: are laughing. I'm like, oh, I'm not the only person

448
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 4: to ever think that, And so that's kind of my

449
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 4: creative process.

450
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: I guess you think with Captain crunch, like as many

451
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: chemicals as probably in there already, you just had a

452
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: few more in the like.

453
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 4: There's such a fine line on captain crunch because if you.

454
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: Go too early. They know this, they should, they do

455
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: not they do. I bet they've talked about it. Yeah,

456
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: have they sent you like a bunch of boxes of it?

457
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: Nothing gotten the new red, nothing about of it. Damn,

458
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: you've been doing this for a long time. Said forty years,

459
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: which is I mean, that's impressive, that's amazing.

460
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 4: I've been very lucky the most comics. Most comics do

461
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 4: stand up so they can get it into TV or movies.

462
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 4: It's like a springboard, and then they don't you.

463
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: Want to do this?

464
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 4: To me, this was always the top of the mountain. Yeah,

465
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 4: I've done TV and movies. I'm in We've even even

466
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 4: enjoyed doing those things. But to me, this was if

467
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 4: you put a gun in my head and said you

468
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 4: can't do but one thing, it would always be stand up.

469
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: What makes you want to do though, God, I don't know.

470
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: There's just for one thing.

471
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 4: It's it's like a woman you can't figure out now,

472
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 4: Like like if you laid carpet for thirty years, if

473
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 4: that was your job, you would know. Hey, when I'm

474
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 4: in the corner, this is how I do a corner.

475
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 4: When I get the stairs, this is how I do

476
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 4: the stairs. After forty years, I still don't know what

477
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 4: they're going to laugh at. So if I'm working on

478
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 4: news stuff and I and I always write stuff on

479
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 4: note cards and then I'll go down to the club

480
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 4: on a Tuesday night and try it out. If I

481
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 4: put a star beside it, meaning I think this is

482
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 4: gonna kill. It almost always dies.

483
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: It's a big turb you just personally like this one.

484
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 4: I just think it's funny. But you would think after

485
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 4: forty years I would know what they're going to laugh

486
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 4: at it? What they what they're not gonna laugh at what?

487
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 3: I mean?

488
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 4: And sometimes I think, oh, this is stupid, and I

489
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,479
Speaker 4: throw it out there and they're snoting them themselves and

490
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 4: you're like, really, But but that makes it fascinating to

491
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 4: me that I can't. It's like a woman you can't

492
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 4: figure out.

493
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, crap, that's what keeps you.

494
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: You you like that challenge?

495
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 4: Then I do clearly, Yeah, that's what makes it interesting.

496
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: I think it's mostly because of you know, people or

497
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: evolving and things are changing. Or is it that you know,

498
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: you never really feel completely certain about what it is

499
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: you're writing until you execute and see what happens.

500
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 4: Or yeah, I think that's a lot. Seinfeld said one time.

501
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 4: It's like every night it's like walking on a tightrope

502
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 4: over the fire. There's some weird thing within us that

503
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 4: we thrive on that. I mean, it's like as a hunter,

504
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 4: I bowhunt because I want to do it the hardest way. Yeah,

505
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 4: I don't. I think that's the hardest way to do it.

506
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 4: But I feel like if I could pull it off

507
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 4: doing that, then I've done something and creatively, Like I

508
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 4: tell my musician friends, I said, if you write four hits,

509
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 4: you're going to play to you're ninety years old, because

510
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 4: people are always going to come to hear those four songs.

511
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

512
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 4: They may like your other music and they may, but

513
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 4: they want to hear those four songs. And comedy is

514
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 4: the exact opposite. If like in the old days, when

515
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 4: I would do a CD or an album or what

516
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 4: or if I did a special, people go, oh that

517
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 4: was funny. What do you have that's new? Yeah, so

518
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 4: you're all they don't want to hear the greatest hits.

519
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 4: They want to hear the new stuff. And crap, it

520
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: gets hard. I mean you can't. You can't say, hey,

521
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 4: I'm just going to go in there and do this

522
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 4: bit from twenty years ago because they've heard it. They

523
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 4: want something new.

524
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: How do you get used to having to keep going

525
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: back at it again and again and try to make

526
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: something better because you clearly did this, have done this

527
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: throughout your career, not everyone's capable of doing that or

528
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: wants to do that. But how did you keep coming

529
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: back to the table the drawing board and putting out

530
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: something else and trying something different.

531
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 4: I mean, there was always a work ethic, I guess

532
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 4: to it.

533
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: It's like.

534
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 4: Kind of do it again, kind of do it again.

535
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 4: And like comics are where comics are probably not like people.

536
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 4: I think most people think they would be goofballs. Like

537
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 4: somebody said to me one time, Oh, I'd love to

538
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 4: go to a party with you, I said, You'd be

539
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 4: so disappointed because you think I'm going to be standing

540
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 4: in the middle of the room making everybody laugh. I said,

541
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 4: But in reality, I'm the guy standing in the corner

542
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 4: watching other people and creating something in my creating a

543
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 4: story in my mind off of what I'm hearing and

544
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 4: see it.

545
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: It's how you are today. It's still is that how

546
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: you really are in real life?

547
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think most comics are like that. I mean,

548
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 4: you've got a few that would be in the middle.

549
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 4: Bob Newhart said one time, he said, we're like magpies.

550
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: We sit on the edge of the gutter on the

551
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: house and we just watch and when we see something

552
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 4: shiny we like, we fly down and we get it

553
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: and we come back and put it in our pile.

554
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 4: And whether it's a combination of words or an imitation

555
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 4: of the way somebody walks, or an observation about somebody's trip,

556
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 4: and that's what we do, is we just we're observers.

557
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 4: Most of us are very curious, want to know stuff.

558
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 4: Big readers in most comics I know, can talk about

559
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 4: a lot of subjects because they're just interested, which is

560
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 4: probably you know, how I got interested in this genre

561
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 4: that you do is back in those early I did

562
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: eight years in a row. I did five hundred shows

563
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 4: a year, at least five hundred.

564
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: How do you even do that? There's not many days.

565
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're like, you know, if you're in New York,

566
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 4: you're doing two or three places on Friday night, three

567
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 4: or four places on Saturday night. You know, if you're

568
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 4: playing at a club somewhere, you might have two or three.

569
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 4: So I was literally on the road just all the time.

570
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 4: And this is way before cell phones, way before iPads, and.

571
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: So you were a missing person the whole time.

572
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 4: I was a missing person, but I read. I would

573
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: read two, three, four books a week, and I think

574
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 4: the first one I ever read in this genre. I

575
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 4: was was watching something on the news about Ted Bundy,

576
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: and then I'm in the you know, the.

577
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: Airport bookstore, and there's the book.

578
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 4: The Stranger Beside Me, and and and I read the

579
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 4: first Bundy book, and then I was like, I was hooked.

580
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: Why were you so intrigued by that?

581
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 4: You know, the fact that ay, that it he was

582
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 4: so invisible, Yeah, that he got that, he got away

583
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: with that. I've always wondered it's like, what craziness is

584
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: in me that I like true crime so much?

585
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: It's like, if I what have you found out?

586
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 4: I think it's accommodation of a lot of things. I think,

587
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: like I used to SA say as a comic that

588
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: everybody's family is crazy, everybody, even the one at this

589
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 4: point you look at and you think, oh god, that's

590
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: a great family.

591
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: They're like, no, they're just as crazy as they're really

592
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: good at covering it up.

593
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they make it look cute on the outside.

594
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: So I would.

595
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 4: Always tell people here said here's my advice. Every year,

596
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 4: at least once a year, go to the fair, just

597
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: so just so you'll feel better about your own family.

598
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: Because you get in the fair and you start to

599
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: have a really nice start.

600
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 4: Looking around, you're like, hell, we're all right.

601
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: Man, you're those rides they have there too, which I

602
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: don't know why we just put up with this forever.

603
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: They pack those things up and they take them somewhere else. Yes,

604
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: they're the scariest.

605
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: No certification, no training to run the ride. Yeah, you know,

606
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 4: the indication it's a good ride. The only two places

607
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 4: on the planet where vomit are the end of a

608
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 4: good time is outside the fraternity house and outside the right.

609
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 4: At the fair, you know, it's like time, like, hey,

610
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: let's do this one, you know. But yeah, but you

611
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: see these people at the fair and you're like, oh

612
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: my god.

613
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: Where do these people live the right? Where have they

614
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: been hiding? They live in this county?

615
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think there's something about true crime because everybody,

616
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 4: you know, we all beat ourselves up, and then you

617
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: hear about a guy that cut twenty people's heads off,

618
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 4: and you're like, you know what, I'm okay, I'm I'm

619
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: not that pretty good guy. Yeah, So I think there's

620
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 4: that component of it. I get fascinated. It's like, I

621
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 4: think I would like to be a detective.

622
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: Really if I wasn't a comic, we said, he already

623
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: kind of You know, you're a guy in the room

624
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: and a party who's observing, right, So you're clearly, you know,

625
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: looking at human nature or personality and trying to figure

626
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: out people and why they tick or something.

627
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: Well, it's like when I listen to a podcast when

628
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 4: it begins a lot of times I'll put it on

629
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: paulse and go, all right, what would I do first?

630
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: If you murge somebody?

631
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 4: Huh?

632
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: If you know?

633
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 4: No, if I'm the cop and they find here's this

634
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 4: though we all have thought of that, if I had

635
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: to get rid of somebody.

636
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: Away, how would I do it? Yeah?

637
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: But no, it's like when when you walk into the

638
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 4: ice cream shop and there's three people dead, and I

639
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: sit there and I'll hit pause and go what would

640
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 4: I do?

641
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: What would I do first?

642
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 4: How would I figure this out? So I think there's

643
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 4: that component of it. There's a there's a justice component

644
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: of it, because I love justice. I don't like seeing

645
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: people get especially innocent people getting screwed over. Yeah, and

646
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 4: that's probably from growing up in hateful Georgia on the

647
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 4: wrong side of the tracks, right, It's like I've always

648
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 4: kind of had a heart for the underdog guy, and

649
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 4: so I just think it's a lot of things. But gosh,

650
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: if if left to myself, it's like people always want

651
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 4: to see behind the curtains. If you come on the

652
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 4: road with me, what do you do during the day.

653
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 4: I'm usually sitting in my hotel room watching Ida or something,

654
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: you know, or forensic files.

655
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is wrong with me? That is that?

656
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 4: This is enter dainy?

657
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean, so you said that you were reading books

658
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: on the road. Yeah, that was kind of your first

659
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: I guess in the true.

660
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: Crime we didn't have podcasts, you didn't have you had

661
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 4: three TV stations.

662
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: There were true crime books about someone like Bundy.

663
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 4: I remember one time I was working in Chicago, I

664
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 4: think at the Funny Bone in Naperville, and I was

665
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 4: working with a real funny guy named Mark Roberts from

666
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 4: the Midwest, and at the time I was reading I

667
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: can't even remember the name of the book, but it

668
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: was The ed Gean. And so we're you know, you're

669
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 4: staying in a comedy condo. We're only making three or

670
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 4: four hundred bucks a week. Yeah, yeah, And so we're

671
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 4: walking to lunch somewhere and I'm and I've gotten to

672
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 4: the good part of the book. So I'm walking with

673
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 4: Mark down the down the sidewalk. But I'm like, Mark, Mark,

674
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: you got to hear this. So it's like, okay, when cops.

675
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 4: When cops went into his house, they found eight soup

676
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: bowls made out of human skulls. They found a belt

677
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 4: made out of nipples. They found the chairs in the

678
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 4: dining room were made out of bones and human skin.

679
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 4: And I remember Mark because it sounds almost like a

680
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 4: segment on the TV show. It's like Geen Geen crafts

681
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 4: with Geen. Okay, today we're going to make a living

682
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 4: room set. It sounds so nice, make a living room

683
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: set out of your aunt fellas, you know. But I

684
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 4: think sometimes, all right, Jeff, you.

685
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: Have bad thoughts.

686
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 4: It's like, no, I don't look at somebody in thing

687
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: their skull make a really good super Bowl, you know?

688
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: So if you did, would you tell me I would

689
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: you would? Yeah?

690
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 4: No, I don't think that kind of stuff. Yeah, And

691
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 4: let's get that's like a depravity. That's like.

692
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: Where does that? I think we're curious about that, right?

693
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: And someone do that?

694
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 3: Right?

695
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: Ho?

696
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 4: Hey, how can somebody do that?

697
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: Be?

698
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: What would where do they have that thought. Yeah, where

699
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: some thought.

700
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: Going from going you know, would make a good say

701
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 4: there's you get there borders really close to comedy.

702
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: Because it's so extreme. It is so extreme.

703
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's kind of what comics are.

704
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: Truth tellers.

705
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 4: Comics it's our job to stuff up and go why

706
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 4: do we do this?

707
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: Why does this happen?

708
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 4: And there's something about that going why the hell would

709
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: you look at somebody and think, you know, I'll make

710
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 4: a super Bowl out of your skull?

711
00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: Right?

712
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: Where does the.

713
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 4: Thought come from?

714
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? I thought there's a fine line. Even just in

715
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: in my career as a podcaster, I've thought about this

716
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: a little bit where if I'm you know, deep investigating

717
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: an unsolved murder or something, and I'm you know, kind

718
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: of getting in the mind of this you know, perpetrator

719
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: or something or this person of interest, I start to

720
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: see this sort of weird fine line between like the

721
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: good guy and the bad guy or something, where my

722
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: own curiosity about how he would think or what he

723
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: would do if it made sense, trying to make sense

724
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: of it in some way, and what he's doing. It's

725
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: like we're just on different sides of.

726
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 4: And sometimes it's a really fine line yeah. I mean,

727
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: like go back to so the terror Grimstead thing, that's

728
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 4: just probably two guys in a drunken moment making a

729
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: bad decision that escalates like a snowball down a hill.

730
00:36:59,200 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: Yep.

731
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 4: Now, so let me ask you this. So from your

732
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: side of it, when you start pulling that thread, you

733
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 4: have no idea if there's going to be a satisfactory

734
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 4: end at the end of it, not at all. Does

735
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 4: that as you're going through it, do you think, oh crap,

736
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 4: this may end up being nothing.

737
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you definitely have those moments of I mean,

738
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: it's maddening, I'll put it that way. It's as a

739
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: storyteller innately, that is maddening to not be in control

740
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: of the ending in that way. Yeah, but it also

741
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: psychos a joke without ending, like a joke without a punchline.

742
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, you're doing the whole setup.

743
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I've learned over the years that if

744
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: I can get enough things lined up and avenues to

745
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: go down, I can see some sort of ending that

746
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: will be satisfactory at the bare minimum. If I've become

747
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: convinced that these individuals did this, then I can do

748
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: as much as I can to.

749
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 4: Prove that well, you know, and I mean I think

750
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 4: what you accomplished in that story probably propelled podcasts so far,

751
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: because then people that were listening were like, hell, I

752
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 4: might be able to be part of the solution of this. Yeah,

753
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 4: but did you ever have trepidation as Hey, I'm poking

754
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 4: a hornet's nest here and this my backfire on me?

755
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. I mean when I first started,

756
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: I was like, this is pretty scary.

757
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be doing this. Why am I poking around something?

758
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: Other people that did.

759
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 4: This may just drive by and shoot me going out there.

760
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

761
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: But in the headspace I was in, though I felt

762
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: like I had nothing to lose in my life. Hit

763
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: that point, my mom would probably be like, yeah, your life.

764
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, Mom, but like, my life's not going

765
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: so well right now, right I felt like a failed

766
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: artist or something, okay, and so I really kind of

767
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: was willing to take that risk. He got the most

768
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: serious once the arrests were made, because I had a

769
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: choice then to either hang it up and just let

770
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: it happen, or keep investigating this now that I have

771
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: two prime suspects to look into, and I decided to

772
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: keep going and I doubled down again and we learned

773
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: a lot.

774
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: More about oh a lot what really happened.

775
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: And that was a conscious decision that was probably the

776
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: scariest because now law enforcement was stay out of my way, right, thanks,

777
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: but go away.

778
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 4: Now, stay out of my way, even though the work

779
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 4: you were doing kind of got them to the point

780
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 4: of being able to make the arrest.

781
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we'll take it from here.

782
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

783
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: I was like okay, and I you know, I really

784
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: I've said this a few places. But all the years later,

785
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: when they finally had the trial, Ryan Duke was found

786
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: not guilty, and I was really just blown away that

787
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: in the five years after these arrests, they did really

788
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: no other work to convict this guy. They really just

789
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: kept the same exact narrative, like they were too stubborn

790
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: about it, and every like every detail that we brought

791
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: up in the podcast and up and vanished that kind

792
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: of poked a hole in it. Say, hey, that was

793
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: for you guys to look at and consider and run

794
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: with it. I'm not trying to, you know, damage your case.

795
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: But that's exactly what the defense did was use that

796
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: kind of information that was that they could find on

797
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: their own too right, It was just the truth.

798
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's yours is a little bit. At

799
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 4: least as a comic I have I have a little

800
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 4: more control of how something ends totally. You know, while

801
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 4: we both love a story, I get to lead mine

802
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 4: more than yours kind of leads you.

803
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: I think that there's probably two different types of pressure,

804
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: because I mean, to me, that's one of the most

805
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: maddening parts about it. But I would imagine for a comedian,

806
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: the pressure to get up here and make you laugh

807
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: or do you even look at it like that? Is

808
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: it still like that to you?

809
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: Or are you just going to do your thing and

810
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 2: you're just going to let it be what it is?

811
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

812
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 4: I think you have to have a little bit of that.

813
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 4: You have to have. I remember one night I've probably

814
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 4: been doing it two or three years, and I was

815
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: on stage in Jacksonville, and just for a split second,

816
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 4: I had the thought, what makes you think what you

817
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 4: have to say is more important than the other three

818
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 4: hundred people in this room?

819
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: Wow?

820
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 4: And then I immediately went, you need to lock that

821
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 4: in the base.

822
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: You need to go ahead and believe you're not going

823
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: to be able to do this. So I don't think

824
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: I've ever Now.

825
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 4: It's like you and I could be sitting here like

826
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: this and there could be fifty thousand people out there,

827
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 4: and if somebody came in and said, Jeff, you're on,

828
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 4: I'd be okay, I'll be back in an hour. Yeah.

829
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 4: I don't even think about it now.

830
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

831
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's probably from having some success to it

832
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: and forty years. God if you're still scared though. I

833
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 4: know guys like that. I know guys that have been

834
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 4: doing it twenty or thirty years and they still throw

835
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 4: up before they go on. Wow, and I'm like, find

836
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 4: something else to do.

837
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: He had forty years to get a new job. Yeah,

838
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: you must really like this.

839
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 4: So what do you think it is that makes people

840
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: so interested in true crime?

841
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: I think it's the curiosity.

842
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 4: I think that's the curiosity of why somebody would do that,

843
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 4: or I mean, I.

844
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Think it's different for everybody, but generally speaking, the curiosity

845
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: as to why someone would do that, because it's just infathomable,

846
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: like how could your brain go there to do something

847
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: so wrong? And then also maybe from a preventative measure

848
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: of if this was some wolf in sheep's clothes thing

849
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: and he was out here doing this for years undetected. Right,

850
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: some Ted Bundy type guy. What were the signs of that? Right?

851
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: Like, how could I spot something like that?

852
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: Even if he's not a serial killer, what if he's

853
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: just a bad dude? And how do I, you know,

854
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: what can I learn from this?

855
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 4: I think there's some of that in all of us

856
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: that are like, because we we want the bad guy

857
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 4: to look like the bad guy.

858
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, easier that way.

859
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 4: I think it's easier for my generation over my children,

860
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 4: we knew bad guys wore black and white stripe suits

861
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: and that black mask over their eyes.

862
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, That's how you knew somebody was a bad guy.

863
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: Every time running around here they go head.

864
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 4: On the black and white striped suit and the mask

865
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 4: over his eyes.

866
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: He was a bad, big bag with a big dollar

867
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: sign on it.

868
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah.

869
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 4: But I think there's part of us that it's like,

870
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 4: all right, how do I avoid this happening to me?

871
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

872
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 4: But there's also part of us I really think that

873
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 4: wants to.

874
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: Solve the puzzle. Oh, for sure, the puzzle. What do

875
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: you mean, though, how do you catch these people? Yeah?

876
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: And I was thinking this morning, knowing I was coming

877
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 4: to talk to you I'm like, holy cow, the cops

878
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 4: in the fifties and sixties. Are the thirties and they

879
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 4: didn't have fingerprints, that didn't have DNA.

880
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: You're getting everything. How did they solve a case they didn't.

881
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 4: Well, there's a guy down there, he kind of he

882
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 4: looked a little bit like him. Hang him, you know

883
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 4: what I mean, don't have a whole lot of proof.

884
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god. No, it's kind of hard to look

885
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: back and imagine that. I mean, these days, I feel

886
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: like it's a lot harder to get away with murder.

887
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: Oh a lot harder. I was.

888
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 4: I was riding with a buddy the other day and

889
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: he asked me out of the blues, like, all right,

890
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 4: if you were going to kill somebody you know.

891
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: Comes up eventually one day, because how would you do it?

892
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I said, well, the hard thing nowadays is

893
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 4: there's cameras.

894
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: Everywhere, everywhere everywhere.

895
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 4: You you know, aside from riding down the road and

896
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: popping somebody walking down the south road with a gaskin,

897
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 4: I don't know that you there's what do you do?

898
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, think about the cops. That's soft

899
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 4: cases before fingerprints before DNA, before cameras before phones that

900
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 4: tracked our every movement.

901
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to be very conscious. You're probably be recorded,

902
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: even when you don't think you are. Every house in

903
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: the neighborhood's got to ring camera. There's this stuff everywhere,

904
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't know where.

905
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 4: You're not susceptible, and yet people are still doing bad.

906
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 2: And they're still getting away with that.

907
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 4: Gin Yeah, and still getting away with it. But I

908
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 4: almost think now the ones that get away with it,

909
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 4: it's just they're incredibly lucky.

910
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, it's not some genius out there. There's dumb luck. Yeah,

911
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: it's absolutely dumb luck. Yeah. Ye try that again, yeah,

912
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: and you we'll see what has Evans. I was recalling

913
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: some of the stuff you did back in the day,

914
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: and I remember the the Are You Smarter Than a

915
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: Fifth Grader? Show? And I just thought this morning, I go,

916
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not. I'm not smarter than a

917
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: fifth grader? I think, at least not the ones on

918
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: that show. I mean, are those the smartest fifth graders

919
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 1: on Earth? Or no?

920
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 4: That we we they were really we would do a

921
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 4: nationwide search and they just wanted they wanted fifth graders

922
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 4: with good personalities that were smart that one like they

923
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 4: were going around going we want the genius kids. But

924
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 4: it's like when Mark Burnett called me about that, he said,

925
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 4: would you would you? Would you? He's got that English

926
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 4: kind of that old stray. He said, would you be

927
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 4: interested in hosting a game show? And I'm like, no,

928
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I said, it's too cheesy. I

929
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: don't want to do a game show because I was

930
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 4: picturing Wink Martine, you know, or something that big Mike

931
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 4: with that. Yeah, when loser draw and uh and I

932
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 4: and I asked him, I said, what's what's the premise

933
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 4: of the show. He said, adults taking an elementary school

934
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 4: test for a shot at a million bucks. And I

935
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 4: just started laughing. I said, that's stinking brilliant. Yeah, because

936
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 4: everybody's going to think they can do it. If I'm like,

937
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: I'll give you an elementary school test, You're like, I

938
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: be sure, yeah, But and you realize very quickly it

939
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 4: was like, when's the last time you you know. At

940
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 4: one point when we were doing rehearsals, I'm like, all right,

941
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 4: why is it that my brain kept all the lyrics

942
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 4: to the Gilligan's Island theme song, but it deleted everything

943
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 4: about triangles, you know, because there was a question about

944
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 4: a Isoceles triangle, and I'm like, oh, I knew that

945
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: at one point in my life, but I have no

946
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 4: idea what an Isoceles triangle is?

947
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: You know room in there for that kind of stuff.

948
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: You're an engineer, right, you can only see you ever

949
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: had to use that though in your life? No, No,

950
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: do you even know what it is today? I don't

951
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: what I saw the lease triangle? No, like the Pythagorean theorem, yeah,

952
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: I know the word, don't know what that is?

953
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 4: I a SIRIU. I'm like, what's the sirius?

954
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: Like?

955
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 4: There's you have a pie in your ear? And what's

956
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: the I don't even know with the Pythagonaean theorem?

957
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: That's not pie though, right, it's not. No, you were

958
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: to cut this. See we're definitely not smarter than questions.

959
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: And if it was, what is pie?

960
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,479
Speaker 2: I know it's three point one four and it goes

961
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 2: a lot longer than that lot longer.

962
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: No clue what else it is? How does it relate

963
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: to the equation? No idea? See, That's what I'm talking about.

964
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 4: That's why that show worked, and it was funny because

965
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,959
Speaker 4: they didn't they didn't have a problem with given away

966
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 4: the money. They went before the show and they were like,

967
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 4: this lady's really smart. We might be given away a

968
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 4: million bucks today and she'd go out on a second

969
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 4: grade grammar question.

970
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,479
Speaker 2: You know, no, it's it's a brilliant show and yeah.

971
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. So you were quickly like no game show host

972
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: to and told me that.

973
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's well, because I thought, well, I can

974
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 4: be funny without being mean. I mean, I didn't want

975
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 4: to make fun of people. But you know, when somebody

976
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 4: doesn't know a question that seven year olds are answering, you.

977
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: Can come yeah, but it's yeah, it's good natured fun. Well,

978
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: you're an adult, so it's okay. And you thought you

979
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: could win, that's why you came here. So there's a

980
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: little bit of yeah, yourself thought this was going to

981
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: be easy.

982
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

983
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

984
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: And now now here's a little behind the scenes thing.

985
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 4: So I had a thing in my ear because the

986
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 4: shows were they were time to fit, so like in

987
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 4: the I had a little thing in my ear. And

988
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 4: so they were time in each segment for the where

989
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 4: to put the commercials in. So they might say to me, hey,

990
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: Jeff asked the question, but go to commercial before you

991
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 4: reveal the answer. So that was in the early days.

992
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 4: By the time Year six rolled around, they'd be in

993
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 4: my ear, going, look at the sweat stains on this

994
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 4: fatty over here, you know, Holy yeah, this guy, look

995
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 4: at the pit stains on there. And I'm two feet

996
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 4: away from the guy talking to them, and they're in

997
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 4: my ear. Just you know, you're like.

998
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: Stop it, trying to get you a crack. Yeah, Oh,

999
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: they're trying to make me laugh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

1000
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: just I've been thinking a lot about you know, comedy.

1001
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of comedy, and I feel like

1002
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: it's it's changed a lot over the last couple of decades,

1003
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: even just the climate around it, right, just what it's

1004
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: okay to say, what isn't okay to say? And I

1005
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: know it's like a weird issue that is kind of

1006
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: it can be looked at like this or that. I

1007
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: feel it would make it more challenging sometimes because sometimes

1008
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: jokes are offensive. But maybe that's why it's funny.

1009
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 4: Yeah I was gonna say that, right, It's like that

1010
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 4: was the point, but maybe they're really funny.

1011
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So what a dance that you do? Well?

1012
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 4: I like, even over the the course of my career,

1013
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 4: like because I did a lot of relationship material and

1014
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 4: so like twenty years ago, I might have done something, go,

1015
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 4: why do women do this but guys do this?

1016
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: Then you'd have.

1017
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 4: People going, well, I'm a woman and I don't do that,

1018
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 4: or I'm a guy, I don't do that.

1019
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: So what I would do?

1020
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 4: I went, you know, I will do this, but then

1021
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 4: my wife will turn around and do that. So I'm like,

1022
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 4: all right, I'm not make it general. It's me and

1023
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 4: my wife. But it's almost gotten to the point now

1024
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 4: it's and probably younger comics don't feel like this, but

1025
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 4: for the guy that's been doing it, it's not as

1026
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: much fun as it used to be.

1027
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: Because I think don't laugh at themselves as easily as

1028
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: they used to. Okay, yeah, and here's my theory.

1029
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 4: I think we're all idiots. Yeah, nobody has life figured out.

1030
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't care who you are, nobody has

1031
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 4: it figured out. Every day, every one of us is

1032
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 4: coming to a thousand forks in the road and using

1033
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 4: our best guests, we're going left or right. We don't

1034
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 4: have it figured out, but we kind of live in

1035
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 4: an age where everybody has to be right. So if

1036
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 4: you say something. Then on social media you're you're either

1037
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 4: wrong or right. You're either you're getting attacked. Well, when

1038
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 4: when they have to be right, that means you have

1039
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 4: to be wrong. Well, nobody wants to engage in a

1040
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 4: conversation like that. So what you do is you walk away,

1041
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 4: you shut down, and you walk away, and we've lost

1042
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 4: any gray area.

1043
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: In your perspective. How do we get here?

1044
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 4: It's like everybody with the Internet, everybody.

1045
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: Got a voice.

1046
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, whether you were educated on the subject or not.

1047
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: Right, it's not about people having everyone being able to

1048
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: have a voice, it's some of these people are dumb.

1049
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: Well that's it life.

1050
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're you're, you're you're on telling people you know.

1051
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: It's like anytime somebody tells me that anybody acts like

1052
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 4: they have God figured out, that's immediately a red flag

1053
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 4: to me. Though It's like, I know you, you're an idiot.

1054
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 4: I saw you run over your trash can back and

1055
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 4: out of your driveway. If you can figure God out,

1056
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 4: then God's not that cool because you're an idiot. But

1057
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 4: we've kind of done that in area every area of

1058
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 4: our lives where people speak with authority on the internet

1059
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 4: on things they they have no education or research about

1060
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 4: and we become a skimming society. And like I will

1061
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 4: say this like critical thinking. And I tell other comics

1062
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 4: and for those listening when I say critical thinking, that

1063
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean being critical of something. It means thinking

1064
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 4: to the next layer and the next layer in the

1065
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 4: next layer. So like when you're writing comedy, the setup

1066
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,479
Speaker 4: is the part with no payoff. That's there's no laugh

1067
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 4: in a setup, but it's you have to have it

1068
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 4: to get to the point to where you get the laugh.

1069
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: And so I tell other comics, I'm like, if you're

1070
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: going to go to all.

1071
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 4: The trouble to write the setup and then you get

1072
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 4: the laugh while you're there, before you move to the

1073
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 4: next setup, look at it and go, is there another laugh?

1074
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: Here?

1075
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 4: Is there another laugh?

1076
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: Here? Is?

1077
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 4: So that's critical thinking. Let me think it down another layer,

1078
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: Let me think it down Like Jim Gaffigan is a

1079
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 4: great example of that, where you where he can do

1080
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 4: a bit on hot pockets, or he can do he

1081
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 4: can do twenty minutes on bacon.

1082
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1083
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 4: You know, if I told you write me twenty funny

1084
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 4: minutes on bacon, you'd write run out real quick, twenty seconds.

1085
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 4: But it's because he's just set there. And well, as

1086
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 4: a society, we don't. And you know this in your business,

1087
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 4: we don't. If you're looking at a YouTube video and

1088
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 4: it's over six minutes, now somebody looks at it goes

1089
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 4: thirty minutes. Hell, are you watching that?

1090
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: Are you like that? Yeah?

1091
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 4: I'm kind of like that.

1092
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, But.

1093
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 4: You know that's like if a young comic asked me

1094
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 4: for advice, I said, I can give you advice on

1095
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 4: how to write a joke. I can give you advice

1096
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 4: on how to set up a thing, but as far

1097
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 4: as the way the business goes, Like when I started,

1098
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 4: all I wanted to do was to be on Johnny Carson.

1099
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 4: But there were only three TV channels in the world.

1100
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: And if you weren't a median on Johnny Carson, you

1101
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 4: were in the upper one percent of what you did.

1102
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 4: And it literally changed your life. That your life that night,

1103
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I do it. The next week, casinos in

1104
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 4: Vegas are like, do you want to headline? For no

1105
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 4: other reason than I made? Johnny left and he called

1106
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 4: me to the couch.

1107
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: Wow.

1108
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 4: And so it was a career changer. And then you

1109
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 4: had records, you had albums, and then you had specials.

1110
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 4: You know, and well, now nobody buys records. Yeah, now

1111
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 4: nobody buys DVDs.

1112
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: You had platinum comedy albums multiple yeah, which is an

1113
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: old idea at this point.

1114
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 4: Three or four time crazy to speak about it, right, Yeah.

1115
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, like the first two I did, both of

1116
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,959
Speaker 4: them have sold almost four million copies of piece.

1117
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: It's insane.

1118
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 4: Now if you have a comedy record and it sold

1119
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 4: fifty thousand copies, it would be through the roof smash.

1120
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: So that's what I'm saying. The business has changed so much.

1121
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 4: I can't if you start a comedy in themar and

1122
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 4: said help me, yeah, I'm like, I can help you

1123
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 4: write jokes, I can't help you do the because now

1124
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 4: with the Internet, everybody's got a slice of pie. So

1125
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 4: you get exposure, but it's not as big of a

1126
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 4: slice of the pie. Twenty years ago, if you did

1127
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 4: a record, you were part of the one percent.

1128
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: Well now just breaking through and being able to do that, right,

1129
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: but now this is you feel like it's kind of

1130
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: saturated in that way. Or just if you're really talented,

1131
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: and you're.

1132
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 4: Really talented hard to I'm going to find your way

1133
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 4: to the top eventually. Right, It's just a different path

1134
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 4: than the path. Yeah, like I mean, I mean, it's

1135
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 4: probably in what you do. If you're good at a podcast,

1136
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 4: and you know, I love the stuff you do, but

1137
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 4: I listen to all kinds of stuff. Well through that

1138
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 4: I'm able to judge these people are good, these people

1139
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 4: are not so good?

1140
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: Right?

1141
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 4: These people tell a good story. These people don't tell

1142
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 4: a good story, right, you know. And I can't tell

1143
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 4: you how many podcasts, true crime podcasts. I've started that.

1144
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 4: Ten minutes into the first episode, I'm like, I'm bailing.

1145
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, too much of a commitment.

1146
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 4: This is not good.

1147
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: Well, it is a commitment.

1148
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 4: It is because I'm giving away my time, Oh yeah,

1149
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 4: totally to.

1150
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: Devote and you're like racking your brain on some puzzle. Yeah, right,

1151
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: is it going to be worth it?

1152
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 4: But when when somebody's good at it, you become you're

1153
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 4: taking that journey with them to the point, you know,

1154
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 4: like me and my daughters are texting each other at

1155
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 4: night about did you hear the latest up in Vanish?

1156
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 4: What do you think about that? What do you So

1157
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 4: it becomes not just your story, but you're sharing it.

1158
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: With other people.

1159
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 4: Kind of like the whole Murdof thing became you know

1160
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 4: where everybody in the country is texting at each other.

1161
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1162
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 4: Huge, Yeah.

1163
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: So it's interesting what did you think you were going

1164
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: to do at at which stage before you started this?

1165
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 4: Because I know when I listened to the thing on

1166
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 4: and by the way, anybody out there, term podcaster is

1167
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 4: really good. It's a weird title, but it's really good.

1168
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 4: It's like how somebody is what would you call it? Well,

1169
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 4: it made totally podcaster, it turned It made total sense

1170
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 4: once I listened to it. But I'm like, what the

1171
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 4: heck does that mean? Turn? Podcast?

1172
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: But so before you did it, where did you think

1173
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: you were.

1174
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 4: Going to land?

1175
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: I didn't really know, But what I had pictured in

1176
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: my head was I had just viewed myself as a

1177
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: filmmaker storyteller in that way, and I'd been doing short

1178
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: films and stuff my whole life, so that was kind

1179
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: of part of my identity. And I felt like a

1180
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: failed filmmaker. And I decided one day that hey, I'm

1181
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: really into true crime and this investigative journalism. How does

1182
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: one become that? Did they just decide one day that

1183
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: I want to do that? And I just thought, well,

1184
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: I want to do that, so I'm going to try

1185
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: and I just listened to Cereal and I was blown

1186
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: away that I, you know, could be that enthralled by

1187
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: an audio story, because you know, my ADHD brain.

1188
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, that's amazing.

1189
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: So I thought, maybe if I could make a podcast

1190
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: because I know how to edit, because I edited all

1191
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: my music videos and stuff, I could do it for cheap.

1192
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: That would be a stepping stone proof of concept to

1193
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: do this bigger film documentary idea I have. That's all

1194
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: it was to me. I didn't look at it as

1195
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: a career path or anything, but a hey, this is working.

1196
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: So maybe these Hollywood guys, whoever they are, however this happens,

1197
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: will take a shot on me to do a docuseries

1198
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: or a TV show or something.

1199
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 4: All Right, So since you started that is your dream

1200
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 4: of what you want to do changed?

1201
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: No, I think that I added another layer to it.

1202
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: I realized that, hey, this podcasting thing is kind of fun.

1203
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: The creative liberty I have is not to be taken

1204
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: for granted, because even at the highest level of some

1205
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: HBO series, I'm going to take a back seat a

1206
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: little bit in the creative control I would imagine right.

1207
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 4: Well, in my career, the thing I enjoyed the least.

1208
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 4: Not the people, but what's the sitcom? Because I had

1209
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 4: a sitcom for a few years in the mid nineties.

1210
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 4: But they were like, they didn't even want me in

1211
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 4: the writing room. They were like, and I'm like, well,

1212
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 4: who knows it's the Jeff Foxworthy show, which.

1213
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: Is bizarre, hard to understand, but I totally get.

1214
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 4: But they were like, I'm like, who knows Jeff Foxworthy

1215
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 4: better than Jeff fox not Jeff. It was me writing

1216
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 4: about me that made you give me the show, And

1217
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 4: they were like, well, this is TV, you know, and

1218
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 4: and so you know, then I get the script on

1219
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,439
Speaker 4: Monday and I'm reading it going, oh, this is not good.

1220
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say this on stage. So that was the

1221
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 4: least fun part. But like, for you see, I think

1222
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 4: you have to be your game has to be better

1223
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 4: to do a podcast, to make somebody follow a story

1224
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 4: on a podcast. It's well, it's like with me as

1225
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 4: a comic, if I don't have the benefit of you

1226
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 4: seeing me, you know, are making it look real pretty?

1227
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 4: Are me raising an eyebrow and doing a funny face

1228
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 4: if you can't see me, If I just have to

1229
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 4: make you laugh with my words, Yeah, I got to

1230
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 4: work harder.

1231
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: Yes, that's actually a great example the your comedy audio.

1232
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: You can't lean on that visual component of not at all,

1233
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: just the physical or something right.

1234
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 4: Even what I might be doing on stage, because I

1235
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 4: was always kind of physical and would roll on the floor.

1236
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 4: And you're not doing that on a record. Yeah, you're

1237
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 4: not doing that on the railway.

1238
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: You make it. Did you sharpen your tools from that?

1239
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: You think?

1240
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 4: I think so because there were and so, like you're saying,

1241
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 4: it was just a different thing. I learned to do

1242
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 4: comedy in a lot of different forms. Like you had

1243
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 4: the live stand up show where I could raise the eyebrow,

1244
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 4: do the funny face and run around in a circle.

1245
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 4: But then you have the element where you were making

1246
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 4: a recording where you couldn't do this. Then I wrote

1247
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 4: like twenty something books. Well, reading it is totally different

1248
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 4: than saying it, even though you might be a redneck.

1249
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: Jokes, the calendar, those they read differently, they do.

1250
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 4: There's some that are funny to read that don't work

1251
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 4: as well when you try to say them, and vice versa.

1252
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 4: And you know, and then I invented a game on

1253
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 4: the spot, like we were at Thanksgiving and the kids.

1254
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 4: I say kids. They were all in their twenties, but

1255
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 4: they were playing cards against humanity, whether grandparents were there,

1256
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 4: in their aunts and uncle and I'm like, you can't

1257
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 4: do this. You've got to go to the basement or

1258
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 4: somebody's going to have a stroke. Get the kitchen table.

1259
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 4: But literally, I was sitting there almost probably like you

1260
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 4: with the podcast, and I'm going, all right, well, why

1261
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,479
Speaker 4: can't you have a funny game that you could play

1262
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 4: in front of your aunts and uncles?

1263
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: Smart?

1264
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 4: And I always keep stacks of note cards. And I

1265
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 4: went in my office and I got like five hundred

1266
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 4: note cards. And I literally sat there that night while

1267
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 4: visiting with people, and I wrote five hundred punchlines.

1268
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: Five hundred things that night.

1269
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 4: That sound funny. They it's like, I have one like that,

1270
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 4: but mine's green. I have mold on my I have

1271
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 4: molded my cross space. It sounds funny.

1272
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,479
Speaker 1: What does it mean? You know? It's bad?

1273
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I would touch that, you know whatever.

1274
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 4: So I wrote five hundred punchlines and then I thought,

1275
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 4: all right, what does everybody have in common? Everybody's family's crazy, everybody,

1276
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 4: So why don't you write a hundred setups? About families. Okay,

1277
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 4: so the setup might be right. Before we walked down

1278
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 4: the aisle, Daddy leaned over to me and whispered blank.

1279
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 4: So everybody at the cart has seven punchlines, and they

1280
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 4: hear the setup, and they look through their punchlines and

1281
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 4: they go this again. The biggest left. So literally, in

1282
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 4: a day and a half, I made a game and

1283
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 4: it was the easiest. You go, learn to play it

1284
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 4: in ten seconds. Yeah, but it made people laugh. And

1285
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 4: I set the family cousins, grandparents down at the table

1286
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 4: and handed out these note cards and said, here's how

1287
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 4: you play it. Play it, and I just recorded them

1288
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 4: amazing and they're laughing. Well, it ended up becoming the

1289
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 4: number one game on Amazon, and I thought it's family

1290
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 4: relative Relative insanities the name of the game. So but

1291
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 4: when I sat back I later I went, oh, well

1292
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 4: that's cool. That's another way to make people laugh that

1293
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 4: I didn't know how to id. I knew how to

1294
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 4: do it in the written form. I knew how to

1295
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 4: do it in the film form, but I didn't know

1296
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 4: how to do it like in a game.

1297
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1298
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 4: So but it's like your storytelling. Well, there's just different

1299
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Speaker 4: avenues to tell stories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, for me, it was I didn't have

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01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: the crutch of the visual element of an establishing shot

1302
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: or an expression on someone's face, or a mood or

1303
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,919
Speaker 1: tone in the lighting stuff that I had gotten used

1304
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: to using to tell stories like that or or just

1305
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: at all, and so I had to kind of learn

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01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: how to do it without that and not feel like

1307
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm beating you over the head to over describe what's

1308
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: happening where it feels like I'm trying to make up

1309
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: for that. But I think just throughout my career of

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01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: telling stories that way, I got better at storytelling.

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01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 4: And I think I think you got better at it

1312
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 4: over the course of Up and Vanished. Yes, exactly, Yes,

1313
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 4: Like so the guy at the newspaper there, Dusty, that

1314
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 4: what you're.

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Speaker 1: Doing, you're.

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01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 4: You're making us make a movie in our mind, and

1317
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 4: so you have to describe whereas you're filming it. You

1318
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 4: don't necessarily have to describe Dusty very.

1319
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: Well, right, right, you can see yourself.

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01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you've so there's elements of that. So it's

1321
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 4: actually pretty cool that you've learned an entirely different skill

1322
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 4: set all under that banner of storyteller.

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Speaker 2: It is, and I think had I not.

1324
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I had the ambition back then, but

1325
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I had the chops really to go

1326
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: do some bigger TV thing that I wanted to do.

1327
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: Just looking back at how I would craft a story

1328
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 1: back then, I've had to do it in different ways,

1329
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: where now when I think visually or I have the

1330
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: opportunity to, I'm thinking way differently about it. And there's

1331
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: some sort of nuance to just the backbone of a

1332
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: story that I strengthened in just practicing.

1333
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got more tools in your tool well now, yeah, exactly.

1334
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 4: Do you ever think about that as you're doing a podcast?

1335
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 4: Going all right, if I was to turn this into

1336
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 4: a mini series or a movie, how would I do it?

1337
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 2: I still think very much visually.

1338
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, the second I put out a

1339
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: podcast back when I was releasing up in Vanished season one.

1340
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: Every week I was making them week to week, which

1341
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: was really insane. And I mean, and I mean it's

1342
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: not like you have this place either, No, no, it's

1343
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: you do. It was me up till well do your

1344
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: grandma making you cookies? Yes, exactly, and just broke as

1345
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: a joke and involved in some murder story that everyone's

1346
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: talking about it was weird times. But I would, you know,

1347
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: upload the episode and the next morning I get like

1348
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: three hours of sleep, and I would listen to it

1349
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: one time once it was already published, because I knew

1350
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: that it was too late. Now did you, however, I

1351
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: felt about it?

1352
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 4: And this, did you hate the sound of your own voice?

1353
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: I did in the very beginning. I did to this day.

1354
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,879
Speaker 4: Like if I go back, like I can't watch myself.

1355
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 4: I don't like it either, really, But but if I

1356
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 4: go back and listen to myself, I just crage, oh man,

1357
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 4: Like I used to do the Tonight Show, which you

1358
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 4: would film it in La at four or five o'clock,

1359
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 4: so we my wife would we'd go to have dinner,

1360
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 4: and then we'd come home and people on the East

1361
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 4: Coast would see it and they would call, and you know,

1362
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 4: then it would become West Coast time, and I could

1363
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 4: watch the whole thing, the monologue, and when it came

1364
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 4: part for me to go, I would get up and

1365
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 4: walk out of the room and just be like in

1366
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 4: the bathroom, why yelling at my wife for you tell

1367
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 4: me when it's over? Because I hated the way I sounded.

1368
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 4: I hated the way I acted things out. I hated

1369
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 4: the whole thing. And she's like, it's good, come back

1370
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 4: in here. I'm like, no, I don't want to see it.

1371
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear. Yeah, so having to be

1372
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 4: you're on critique of yourself that had to be hard.

1373
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: It was. I listened to it once and then never again. Yeah,

1374
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: and I would remember. I wouldn't need a reminder of

1375
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: what I would change or didn't like about that. I

1376
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: knew that I didn't like the way I said that

1377
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:58,839
Speaker 1: or whatever.

1378
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 4: So do you think would you ever not do this,

1379
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 4: like I said, even though I've gotten to do the

1380
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 4: other things I would always do stand up?

1381
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: Would I ever not make podcasts?

1382
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1383
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to say. I feel like, if

1384
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: I were to answer it, just gun to the head here,

1385
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: I'll probably always make podcasts to a.

1386
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 4: Degree, because you kind of talked your brain to work

1387
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 4: that way a little bit.

1388
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. And even if I went off on some amazing

1389
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: film career stint, which is still just a dream of mine, Yeah,

1390
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: I'm might do that for a decade and say, you

1391
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna make a podcast again. Yeah, And

1392
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: so I think that that's always in the cards, and

1393
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 1: it's something I've fell in love with, and I also

1394
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: respect because it would It's given me so many opportunities

1395
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 1: to do anything else but a podcast, right, So I

1396
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: respect it in that way.

1397
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 4: You know, podcasts are kind of intimate. M Yeah, in

1398
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 4: that if I'm gonna watch your film, I've got to

1399
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 4: go to the theater, you know, our worst case, I

1400
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 4: got to sit in my living room. But there's but

1401
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 4: like when somebody's listened to you. They're listening to you

1402
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 4: when they're getting out of the shower, they're listening to you,

1403
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 4: when they're laying in the bed, they're listening to you

1404
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 4: while they're making dinner. There's kind of an when you

1405
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 4: get involved in a podcast, there's an intimacy to it.

1406
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: You know, did you feel like you knew me in

1407
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 2: some way?

1408
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1409
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 4: I mean I felt like because you were pretty honest

1410
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 4: up front. It's like, hey, I don't know what I'm doing,

1411
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 4: but I think this is a good story. So you know,

1412
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 4: the the creative in me is rooting for you a

1413
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 4: for I always tell my kids, I said, if your

1414
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 4: life's going to be cool, you need a few hold

1415
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 4: your nose and jump moments. Yeah, where you don't know

1416
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,879
Speaker 4: what's going to happen. I quit IBM to be a comic,

1417
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 4: which is one my mother's first question was, are you

1418
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 4: on the dope?

1419
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: Whatever? The do not just dope the that dope? Yeah?

1420
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 4: But yeah, and I went. I think the first year

1421
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 4: I did comedy, I did four one hundred and six

1422
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 4: shows that made eighty three hundred dollars. But there was

1423
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 4: never a moment that that I thought, Oh I made

1424
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 4: a mistake, or I wish I hadn't done this, or

1425
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 4: I should have staked. Did you ever have a moment

1426
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 4: where you were going and maybe I shouldn't have done this.

1427
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: I mean, small things here and there, nothing that would

1428
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: never change.

1429
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 4: You were driving back and forth a lot.

1430
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was driving back and forth. I mean

1431
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: there was I would change stuff in hindsight, but I

1432
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: never felt regret of anything. The scariest thought I've ever

1433
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: had is what if I didn't make a podcast? What

1434
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: if I was too scared? I was too scared, But

1435
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: I just did it. Anyways, doesn't mean I didn't overcome

1436
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: my fear. I was still scared. I just did it.

1437
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about what if I didn't quit IBM? Yes,

1438
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: you know what kind of that's a scary thought. You

1439
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: know what gave me.

1440
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 4: I was sitting because I was weighing it back and forth,

1441
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 4: and you know, I mean it was a good job, right,

1442
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 4: had health benefits, a dental but I knew I loved doing,

1443
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 4: and I was doing going around town at night doing

1444
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 4: stand up and I knew I loved doing. And I

1445
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 4: was sitting in the breakroom. This was like a blessing

1446
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,839
Speaker 4: from God. And I'm sitting in the breakroom by myself

1447
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 4: one afternoon, and there's three and I'm twenty four, and

1448
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 4: there's three like guys in there's sixty sitting at a

1449
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 4: table across the breakroom and I'm just listening to them

1450
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 4: slate in the afternoon. And one of them goes, you know,

1451
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 4: I wish I'd have bought a hardware store. I always

1452
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 4: dreamed about having a hardware store. I think I would

1453
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 4: have loved to have had a hardware store. And one

1454
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 4: of the other goes, well, yeah, I wish i'd have done.

1455
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 4: And I thought, I can just see it now. I thought,

1456
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 4: I do not want to be sitting in this breakroom

1457
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 4: when I'm sixty two years old, going I wish I

1458
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 4: had tried to be a comedian. Now, did I have

1459
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 4: any idea that you know? Ignorance is bliss. I didn't

1460
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 4: know the odds stacked against me, but I thought I

1461
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 4: might get away with it for a few years and

1462
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 4: then I would have a cool story to tell my

1463
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 4: grandkids to go, Hey, your grandpa was a comedian for

1464
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 4: a few years. But it was a hold your nose

1465
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 4: and jump moment. You had no idea what was going

1466
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 4: to happen. But and we kind of live in a

1467
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 4: world where people always say, well, you need to follow

1468
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 4: your passion. You need to follow your passion. I've evolved

1469
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 4: on that because sometimes people have passions for things that

1470
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 4: they're not good at.

1471
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: Like I tell them that, Yeah, tell the pivot.

1472
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 4: I love music, I can't sing worth a crap and

1473
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 4: I can't play an instrument. So maybe instead of following

1474
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 4: your passion, you ask people.

1475
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: What are you good at? Yeah? What are you good?

1476
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 4: Well, since the time I was a kid, I could

1477
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 4: always make people laugh. Yeah, to the point I can't

1478
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 4: even take credit for it because I don't know why

1479
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 4: I can do it. Yeah, you could say to me, hey,

1480
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 4: I've got a T shirt company and I need I

1481
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 4: need fifty shirts about home security and I could literally

1482
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 4: go in the corner with a pad.

1483
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: In twenty minutes, I bring you back fifty T shirts.

1484
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know why I can do that. Yeah,

1485
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 4: I can always have that. Yeah, I can just do that.

1486
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 4: So I can't even take any ego in it, because

1487
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 4: but there's different when you're good at something and you're

1488
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 4: a storyteller. You know, you said that in term partage,

1489
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 4: that's what I do. Well, I've always been fascinated with stories.

1490
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: You Oh, I know.

1491
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, it's but you can do it in a

1492
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 4: lot of different ways. You can do it as a filmmaker,

1493
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 4: you can do it as a podcaster, you can do

1494
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 4: it in the written form.

1495
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: Yep, just like I.

1496
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 4: Can do what I do in a lot of different ways,

1497
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 4: and it's kind of fun to explore a different way

1498
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 4: to do it.

1499
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes feels fresh again, it feels the challenge is refreshing sometimes,

1500
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: Like I thought.

1501
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 4: I hated TV from the sitcom experience, and then a

1502
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 4: few years later when we were doing the Blue Collar

1503
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 4: Comedy Tour, they said, hey, would you like to do

1504
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 4: a sketch show like a Saturday Night Live? And I

1505
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 4: loved it when I could walk in and go, hey,

1506
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 4: I got an idea, I want to weigh four hundred

1507
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 4: pounds and have Elvis sideburns. And they were like, yeah,

1508
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 4: let's do it, and you can make that happen. And

1509
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 4: so I thought I hated television. What I hated was

1510
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 4: playing somebody else's idea of who Jeff Foxworthy was. Yeah,

1511
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,759
Speaker 4: And I went on to enjoy a lot of things,

1512
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 4: you know, fifth grade, a lot of things.

1513
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: But when you made that leap from IBM and into comedy,

1514
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 1: you didn't know what level of success you would achieve

1515
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: or even probably could achieve. So that clearly.

1516
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: Wasn't the chipping for you, right, I think some of

1517
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 2: got you thought right.

1518
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: I thought I could be good at it. Wenew that part.

1519
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 4: Now here's the thing. Only knew Atlanta, So I could

1520
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 4: look at all the eight by ten's on the wall

1521
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 4: of the punchline in Atlanta, and out of the five

1522
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 4: hundred pictures there, I would say, hey, I'm not the

1523
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 4: best one, but I might be number fifteen right now.

1524
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: But you're on the list.

1525
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 4: But I'm on the list out of these five hundred,

1526
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 4: I know where I rank. The problem came is then

1527
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 4: I would go to Chicago and there would be five

1528
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 4: hundred pictures up that I'd never seen before. Then I

1529
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 4: go to New York. There were a thousand more I'd

1530
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 4: never seen. Then I'd go to LA and I'm like,

1531
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 4: holy hell, I had no idea this. Many people were

1532
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 4: trying to do that. But I think the advantage of

1533
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 4: having a job is I had a work ethic. I

1534
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 4: always worked at it. I would tape my show, i'd

1535
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 4: come back, I'd listen to it, I'd make notes. My wife,

1536
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 4: bless her heart, would go around the country and sit

1537
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 4: in the back of the club with a notepad and go,

1538
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 4: this is fuzzy. This doesn't make sense for yeah. And

1539
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 4: so I was always working at it because I knew

1540
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 4: one day the bottom would fall out, and I had

1541
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 4: to be above the cut line when the bottom fell.

1542
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 1: What does that mean for you? We did the bottom

1543
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: fall out?

1544
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 4: Well, I knew the comedy club boom oh I see

1545
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 4: was going to be oh it was nothing lasts forever,

1546
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 4: And so I didn't want to be calling a club

1547
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 4: in Minnesota and going, hey, you don't know me. But

1548
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 4: and so I would drive to Minnesota and do it,

1549
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 4: and they go, oh, Jeff's funny, that's smart, Jeff's funny.

1550
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 4: So when the bottom falls out, they'll still book.

1551
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: Jeff.

1552
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 4: You know, I didn't know. I didn't know back then

1553
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 4: that I would ever get out of the club days.

1554
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 4: I just knew I enjoyed it. I knew the first

1555
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 4: minute and a half I did it. I'm like, oh,

1556
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 4: this is what I was born to do.

1557
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1558
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 4: I was scared to death, but yeah, I'm like, oh,

1559
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 4: I found my purpose.

1560
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1561
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 4: Let the old Mark Twain thing too, most important days

1562
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 4: of your life, the day you were born and the.

1563
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: Day you figure out why?

1564
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 4: Right, so true?

1565
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, literally, oh, this is why I

1566
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: was born. This is what I'm good at. I want

1567
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: to make a strange pivot here.

1568
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 4: Please, cause we're not even talking about true crime podcast.

1569
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 1: Well, we can talk about whatever we want, Okay. I

1570
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: heard that you wanted to talk about the JFK assassination.

1571
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: Well in some way, shape or form.

1572
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 4: So my daughter was asking me, how did I get

1573
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 4: like interested in this kind of stuff, and I said, well,

1574
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 4: I think it probably began with the JFK assassination, and

1575
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 4: again kind of the same, that's probably true crime.

1576
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: It's like, it's definitely true crime, but maybe did it?

1577
01:20:55,840 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 4: Maybe it's part of my job is that skepticism. It's yeah,

1578
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:03,759
Speaker 4: but I mean.

1579
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: Of the official narrative kind of thing.

1580
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just stinks. It didn't smell right. And I

1581
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:13,799
Speaker 4: actually I felt bad for young people today because.

1582
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: I think there was a.

1583
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 4: Time for us older people that somebody was telling us

1584
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 4: the truth about some things, right, at least a few things,

1585
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 4: but they took it to the grave or what well

1586
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 4: that I don't know. My mom's eighty seven now, and

1587
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 4: I told my brother not long ago, I said, you know,

1588
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 4: if you live long enough, you'll find out a lot

1589
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 4: of stuff about your family because your aunts and uncles

1590
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 4: would just you know, your cousin Stevie was born out

1591
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 4: of wedlock. I was like, no, I didn't know.

1592
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: Now I do, Hey, Stevie, let's talk about this. Yeah.

1593
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 4: But but but like young people now have been lied

1594
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 4: to their whole lives. Do you feel like it has

1595
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 4: an experiment the other night?

1596
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: Why their parents or what? By everybody? Everybody? Did you

1597
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: ever watch.

1598
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 4: The Vietnam War by uh Burns ken Burns, kN Burns.

1599
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: I have not seen that.

1600
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 4: No, you need to go watch.

1601
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,759
Speaker 1: It because it's it's.

1602
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,719
Speaker 4: Lyndon Johnson sitting in a meeting going all right tonight

1603
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 4: We're gonna load up four hundred planes and we're bombing

1604
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 4: the piss out of Hanoi tonight. And then he would

1605
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 4: go on TV, my fellow Americans, there is no bombing

1606
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 4: going on in Vietnam, and you're like, oh my god,

1607
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 4: he's looking at you.

1608
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: In the eyes and lying to you. Yeah.

1609
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 4: So I don't even know what was the point. The

1610
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 4: other night on stage, I asked the crowd, I go,

1611
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 4: how many people trust your government? Not one people raise there?

1612
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:54,719
Speaker 4: I said, how many people trust the media? Not one

1613
01:22:54,760 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 4: person raised there? How many people trust advertise? And I'm like,

1614
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 4: what does that say about us?

1615
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 3: Well?

1616
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: We used to, didn't we as human beings? Did you

1617
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 1: trust the media when you were going I did?

1618
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 4: I thought Walter Cronkite was telling me the truth is it.

1619
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 2: Was it different back then? Or do we know too

1620
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: much now?

1621
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 4: Or I think it's maybe a little bit of both.

1622
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1623
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 4: You know, like my farm is down near Callaway Gardens. Well,

1624
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:29,719
Speaker 4: the older generation of the Callaway family, Franklin Roosevelt FDR,

1625
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 4: would come down to White House to warm springs. Yeah

1626
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,839
Speaker 4: down there, Well, he would hang out with a Callaway family.

1627
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 4: And I was talking to people down there that were saying,

1628
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 4: oh yeah, when he would come down here for dinner,

1629
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 4: the Secret Service guys would have to pick him up

1630
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 4: out of the car and carry him up the stairs.

1631
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 4: And this was the chair that he sat in because

1632
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 4: he had polio could but the American public didn't know

1633
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 4: he had polio.

1634
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: How did they pull that off? How did they pull

1635
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: that off? I mean he was president for four I

1636
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,719
Speaker 1: mean how take that off?

1637
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we believed everything back then.

1638
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, but now, like watching that thing with Johnson, I'm like, hell,

1639
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 4: they've always been lying to.

1640
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: Us, right, Maybe that's maybe that hasn't changed. We know

1641
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 1: more now. Also, there's more ways to find that out.

1642
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, there.

1643
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,879
Speaker 4: Are, But what does that do to us as human beings?

1644
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 4: When so, who do you trust?

1645
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: Like to distrust? You mean, yeah, who do you truy?

1646
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 3: You know?

1647
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 4: The media is lying to you know, advertising's lying to

1648
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,799
Speaker 4: you because advertising told you, Hey, if you'd get this car,

1649
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 4: you'd be happy, and now you've got the car and

1650
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 4: you're not any happier than you were.

1651
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't trust the media, I think at

1652
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: this point. And I mean I think for some people

1653
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,639
Speaker 1: that might be a lot harder because maybe they grew

1654
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: up trusting it, and it's hard to let go of

1655
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: but I think with what I do, I couldn't blindly

1656
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: trust that. What do you think?

1657
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 4: Okay, so so what does that do to us as

1658
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 4: human beings?

1659
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: I wish I did that.

1660
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 4: We but which makes us? And maybe that's part of

1661
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 4: the appeal of true crime. So we are so hungry

1662
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 4: for the truth. Yeah, we're desperately hungry for the truth.

1663
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: Who did this? Yeah?

1664
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 4: And maybe that's what true crime gets at is We're

1665
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 4: going to find out who did this? And here's an

1666
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 4: element of truth in this. Yeah, And I think comedy

1667
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 4: is a little bit the same way is once you

1668
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 4: take away, and that's the danger of this political correct

1669
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 4: age that we're going through. And what I'm hoping is

1670
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 4: the pendulum's just swung.

1671
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you feel like waves are one way chapter

1672
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 1: and a I don't know, large book that has many

1673
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: more chapters that I hope so come around.

1674
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 4: Maybe you know the pendulum is too far this way

1675
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 4: and it needs to sure, but maybe not. I mean,

1676
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 4: but once you take away way a comedian being able

1677
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:05,560
Speaker 4: to tell the truth, yeah, there's no need for a comedian.

1678
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. If I've got.

1679
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 4: A tiptoe around, I'd like I did a thing on

1680
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 4: the last special. I said, you know, when I was

1681
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 4: growing up, if you wanted a trophy, you had to

1682
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 4: finish in first place. Well, I had people go online

1683
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 4: and go, you bastard, you are the Your generation is

1684
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,839
Speaker 4: the or the people that gave my generation the participation trophies.

1685
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I didn't. I wouldn't say I was.

1686
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: I clearly also got a participation trophy.

1687
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, but I was staying in a fact in

1688
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty eight, if you wanted a trophy you had

1689
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 4: to finish.

1690
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: In first place. That is a fact. That's a fact.

1691
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: That's the truth. Yeah, No, I's the truth.

1692
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 4: And when you take away that, yeah, then the joke's gone. Yeah,

1693
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 4: and the joke is the comparative. You know, they're TechEd

1694
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 4: with first place? Were you in the league?

1695
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a trophy. We'll say. If you go see

1696
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 1: a rated AR movie, right, you might see some brief

1697
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: nudity or here's some here the F word, But you

1698
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: knew that going into it, right, it's rated R. You

1699
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 1: go to a comedy show where you turn on a

1700
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: comedy set, you're you're intentionally there, No one's drug you here. Now,

1701
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 1: you're saying, hey, I'm willing to participate in whatever this

1702
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: is to a degree, Well, you know what made you

1703
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:29,560
Speaker 1: watch it?

1704
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 4: And if you can't laugh at yourself, it's like, right,

1705
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 4: you know, here's the truth about human beings. We're all

1706
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 4: wrong about something. You're wrong about some idea you have,

1707
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 4: You're wrong about something, you're wrong about something you're I'm wrong.

1708
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 4: And the truth is we're wrong about a lot of something.

1709
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1710
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 4: So if you will at least give yourself that grace

1711
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 4: to go over the course of my life, I might

1712
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 4: change my mind about a lot of things. Now I

1713
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 4: don't have to be right. Yeah, And now you and

1714
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 4: I can talk and I can listen to what you know,

1715
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 4: and you can listen to what I know, and maybe

1716
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 4: it changes my opinion a little bit or it changes yours. Yeah,

1717
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 4: if you're willing to admit, hey, I don't know everything

1718
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 4: and I might be wrong about something.

1719
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: Which is hard for some people. I think that no

1720
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: one likes being wrong. It's not usually fun. If you

1721
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 1: were to choose, hey, you have to be right or wrong,

1722
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: you'd probably choose right because this is easier. Yeah, So,

1723
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 1: like no one wants to be wrong, but no one is.

1724
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 4: Always right, right that no one's always right.

1725
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay to be wrong too. I think that

1726
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 2: being wrong is how you get smarter.

1727
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I was thinking about that, like as

1728
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 4: opposed to to cases where people have been wrongfully convicted,

1729
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 4: and those make for interesting podcasts. Absolutely, But how do

1730
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 4: you eliminate the possibility of that happens? You have to

1731
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 4: do away with the justice system, which is not a

1732
01:28:56,360 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 4: good answer either, right, yeah, exactly. It just so it's

1733
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 4: sometimes we're wrong.

1734
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes we're wrong on a small level.

1735
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 4: Sometimes we're wrong on a big level.

1736
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: Yep.

1737
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 4: But good lord, I you know, I'm sixty five. There

1738
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 4: were things, there were ideas that I vehemently believed forty

1739
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 4: years ago. Give me one that I've totally changed my

1740
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 4: mind on. Well, I just think I'm much I'm much

1741
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 4: more gray in areas than I used to be. I

1742
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 4: told my kids, I said, man, I missed my thirty

1743
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 4: year old body, but I wouldn't trade my sixty year

1744
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 4: old mind to.

1745
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 1: Get it back.

1746
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 4: Is there's just more gray, you know, you It's everybody's

1747
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 4: going through something. Everybody's going through a struggle. It might

1748
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 4: be financial, it might be physical, it might be emotional

1749
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 4: and So my whole life, I've tried to be like,

1750
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 4: you know what, have grace with people because you don't

1751
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:05,679
Speaker 4: know their story. And I think I learned that from

1752
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 4: working as at a Homeless Mission. Really I worked down

1753
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 4: at the Atlanta Mission every week for twelve years.

1754
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 1: So what you learn in that process? Then?

1755
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 4: Well, like the first guy ever, because I'm like, how

1756
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 4: do you get a job?

1757
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 1: That was kind of always that's an easy just thought

1758
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,879
Speaker 1: to have. That's kind of not considerate.

1759
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 4: Come on, quit being lazy to get a job. Sure,

1760
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 4: the first guy I met when I was down there.

1761
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 4: Now you're talking about downtown Atlanta, twenty one year old

1762
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:42,719
Speaker 4: white kid in the Homeless mission. And my first thought is, dude,

1763
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 4: get a job, seriously.

1764
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 1: Stop.

1765
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 4: And his name was Jason. And were sitting down there

1766
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 4: at the mission having lunch, and I asked him his story.

1767
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, Jason, what's your story?

1768
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 1: I like you, well, like, what's your excuse? Is what

1769
01:30:58,720 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: your vibe?

1770
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 4: Ide? That's the implied, but the same, what's your story?

1771
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 4: How do you end up here? And he goes, well,

1772
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 4: you know it was me, my brother, my mom, and

1773
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:14,679
Speaker 4: my dad and when I was thirteen, my mom killed herself.

1774
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

1775
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 4: He said. Two years after that, my brother killed himself.

1776
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 4: He said, So it was me and my dad for

1777
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 4: a bunch of years, and then my second year of college,

1778
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 4: my dad killed himself. And he said, to be honest,

1779
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 4: we I got to the point where I could not

1780
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 4: hurt anymore, so I dropped out of school and start

1781
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 4: smoking crack.

1782
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: Wow.

1783
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting there going, holy hell, I would have

1784
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 4: started smoking crack too, Yeah, for sure. Well, you smoke crack,

1785
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 4: you lose your job, you lose your apartment, You're on

1786
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 4: the street.

1787
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 1: Now.

1788
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 4: The cool end of the story was Jason has since

1789
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 4: got his nursing degree and he's been sober for thirteen years.

1790
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 4: Oh wow, but that's an interesting story. So you think

1791
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 4: you know I I and taking the time to learn

1792
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 4: somebody's story. I'm like, holy hell, I was totally wrong

1793
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 4: about everybody on the street. Yeah, and and the and

1794
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 4: the more people I've met on the street. It wasn't

1795
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 4: always the case. I mean sometimes it was mentalism, sure,

1796
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 4: but almost every one of something really bad had happened

1797
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 4: to them young, sexual, physical, emotional abuse, and they couldn't

1798
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 4: They couldn't handle the pain of it, so they started numbing,

1799
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 4: either with alcohol or drugs, and you're not employable right

1800
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 4: when you're when you're an addict. And so really the addictions,

1801
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 4: the symptom, it's the it's the hurt that started the

1802
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 4: whole thing. But that's you know, once you start learning that,

1803
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, hell, I was wrong about you. I

1804
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 4: was wrong about you. So I think we have to

1805
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 4: be open to the fact that we don't know everything.

1806
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 1: It's been anxiously consider it. Yeah, like, hey, like, because

1807
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 1: you don't literally.

1808
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 4: Know, you do, you have no idea, right, and you

1809
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 4: don't want to be naive, but I think you do

1810
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 4: have to give people at least a chance to learn

1811
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 4: their story, mane.

1812
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: Or you're just making assumptions.

1813
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and I think you know, I remember being

1814
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 4: a kid in Hateville where I grew up. Nobody had

1815
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 4: much money. Well, I always had really good baseball. Yeah,

1816
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 4: And I remember one time, and I won't even say

1817
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 4: the name of the school because you'll know it, but

1818
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 4: we went to play one of the private schools in Atlanta,

1819
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 4: and when we got off the bus, they were making

1820
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 4: fun of our uniforms because we had like old, crappy uniforms,

1821
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 4: oh like.

1822
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 1: Just like they weren't like new and nice.

1823
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 4: Now they were kind of old and beat up and

1824
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 4: that sucks. Yeah, but I remember them making fun of us,

1825
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 4: and I remember being a you know, fourteen, fifteen year

1826
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 4: old kid thinking, you don't know anything about me. You

1827
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 4: know nothing about me. You're just well. Now, because I've

1828
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:04,560
Speaker 4: been successful at what I do, people think.

1829
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 1: Oh, you're rich. Oh is that annoying?

1830
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 4: You're this this, this, And I'm like, now, same guy,

1831
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:17,839
Speaker 4: different shirt, yeah, same same guy was at fifteen, different

1832
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 4: better shirt, that.

1833
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: A better shtter threads. Yeah. I think some people aren't

1834
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: like that. The good ones are. I think the good

1835
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 1: ones don't change. I think some people change negatively sometimes

1836
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 1: throughout success or whatever. I think it's just kind of

1837
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 1: a cop out viewpoint to make assumptions like, oh, you're rich.

1838
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know, I don't know anything, right,

1839
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 1: I would. I don't like that about myself right. Well,

1840
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 1: but so.

1841
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:56,600
Speaker 4: This has been like ten years ago. But I was

1842
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,959
Speaker 4: doing an interview and a lady said to me, Okay,

1843
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 4: you do stay and up, you host TV shows, you

1844
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 4: do award shows, you write books, you paint, which one

1845
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 4: are you? And I'm like, okay, that's a weird question.

1846
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 4: And I said, well, those are all things that I do,

1847
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 4: and I love what I do.

1848
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to do anything else. I love what

1849
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 1: I do. But who I am is.

1850
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 4: I'm a husband, and I'm a father, and I'm a brother,

1851
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 4: and I'm a son and I'm an uncle. And I

1852
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 4: said so, through the course of my life, hopefully that

1853
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 4: what I do change is many times, because that's interesting. Yeah,

1854
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 4: but what I do and who I am are not

1855
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 4: the same thing. And I think sometimes the people that

1856
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 4: change with that success is they lose that there they

1857
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 4: what they do becomes their identity and it's not going

1858
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:51,799
Speaker 4: to last forever.

1859
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: Right. That's a scary place to fall into because it's yeah,

1860
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 1: if it goes because harder, it gets a lot harder.

1861
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, and it's yeah, somebody's told me this a

1862
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 4: long time ago. The said, there's five stages to be

1863
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 4: in in the entertainment business, which you and I are

1864
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 4: both in.

1865
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 1: It's who's Jeff Foxworthy?

1866
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 4: Get me Jeff Foxworthy, get me somebody like Jeff Foxworthy.

1867
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 1: Whatever happened to Jeff Foxworthy? Who's Jeff Foxworthy? But if

1868
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 1: you think about it, that's that's that's it, that's it.

1869
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 1: You get at least two or three of those doesn't

1870
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 1: last long, you know, Kenny Rogers said to me, He said,

1871
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 1: if your career is good, it's like a lava lamp.

1872
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: He goes, you heat up for a little bit, and

1873
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 1: then you go away and cool down. Then you come

1874
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 1: back up and heat up again.

1875
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, because if you stay in that bright light too long,

1876
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:48,639
Speaker 4: it'll kill you.

1877
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's true.

1878
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 4: Now do you find creatively? Like when I look back

1879
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:57,679
Speaker 4: at the busiest parts of my career, I didn't really

1880
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 4: enjoy them because that was yeah, and you're probably in

1881
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 4: that right now. I don't have time to smell the roses.

1882
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:10,720
Speaker 1: Right now, I think I've been able to get to

1883
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: a point where I finally can a little bit good

1884
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: like not, I think it gets better than what it

1885
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 1: is now. But I had to consciously look in the

1886
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 1: mirror and say, a couple of years ago, Holy shit, man,

1887
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 1: how did we get here? Yeah? Like seriously, And I

1888
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:27,480
Speaker 1: didn't even.

1889
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 4: Know pain has become a company?

1890
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 1: Right when? How?

1891
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 4: How?

1892
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 1: What? Also? Where all my old friends now?

1893
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:38,879
Speaker 4: Do you find creatively? Sometimes?

1894
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1895
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 4: Where are my old friends? Yeah? And creatively? Sometimes your

1896
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 4: tank just runs out.

1897
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, that spark doesn't stay the same forever, but

1898
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 1: nothing does. It's like, even if you had a restaurant,

1899
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 1: every single meal isn't going to be the exact five

1900
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 1: point zero stars. There might be a four point seven,

1901
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 1: four point six, you know, maybe just a four is

1902
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 1: your is your floor. But yeah, I learned that AFC

1903
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 1: drive through, right, and that's a big hit or miss.

1904
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 1: But when it hits, when it hits, it hits, that's

1905
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 1: what keeps you coming back though, right exactly, So they're

1906
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: good for it eventually. Yeah.

1907
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, It's like it's like a butterfinger. You know,

1908
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 4: you might get two or three steale ones at the

1909
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 4: gas station, right, but when you get that fresh butter finger, oh.

1910
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh oramento is really because those they I think

1911
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 1: they just really don't pull those ever. I think now

1912
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,480
Speaker 1: the stale ones, yeah, I mean, break your chip, your tooth.

1913
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 4: But when you get a good path freshy oh yeah.

1914
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 1: Out the fact that England in your nether region, Oh yeah,

1915
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 1: it reminds you why you do this. Yeah, you do

1916
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 1: realize we're we're just two really weird guys having a

1917
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 1: conversation right now.

1918
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

1919
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 3: This works?

1920
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 1: Oh me too, Oh yeah, I kind of always wanted

1921
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 1: to do that though I think I didn't have the

1922
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 1: chops four years ago. But I've I do so much

1923
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: serious stuff that there's not a lot of room for

1924
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 1: some of the other, you know, darker humor elements to things,

1925
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 1: and just the actual human experience of this stuff, because

1926
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 1: it may look like I'm making it about myself or

1927
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm not treating it with the right amount of sensitivity.

1928
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 1: All things that are kind of you know, creatively limitations

1929
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 1: and also things that I am obligated to do to

1930
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 1: a degree, to do this respectfully. And so I think

1931
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 1: that just it's liberating for me to build to have

1932
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 1: real life conversations with other creators and peers and people

1933
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 1: I look up to, like yourself, because it just humanizes

1934
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: everything and take some of them mystique away from even

1935
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 1: who I am and what I'm doing, because it's just

1936
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 1: not as crazy as you think it is. It's just

1937
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 1: simple shit. The thought if I could do this.

1938
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:05,760
Speaker 4: Pretty much anybody could do this, oh absolutely, And that's

1939
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:10,639
Speaker 4: what I think about what I do. I'm like, Yeah,

1940
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 4: if you're willing to spend a lot of time driving

1941
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 4: in your car and you know, be away from home

1942
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 4: and sleep in hotel, you can do this because I'm

1943
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 4: nothing special. I'm an idiot. I'm two decisions from drywall

1944
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:31,680
Speaker 4: in US. Not that there's anything drywalled a lot, but

1945
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 4: you see behind the curtain and it's like, hey, we

1946
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 4: got lucky.

1947
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1948
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 4: B it's really cool because you're getting to do something creative. Yeah,

1949
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 4: but it ain't special.

1950
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:54,920
Speaker 1: Back to JFK. Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald is

1951
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:56,679
Speaker 1: the shooter and the soul shooter?

1952
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 3: No?

1953
01:40:57,680 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: And no.

1954
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 4: Do you.

1955
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:04,640
Speaker 1: I think so? I think he is really.

1956
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:07,520
Speaker 4: I Oh my god, now We've got a whole other episode.

1957
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 1: Now, I'm just saying I think that mostly conspiracy theories

1958
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: are fun. They are because it's like what if right,

1959
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 1: and it's crazy. But I think it's a little bit

1960
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:24,519
Speaker 1: human nature when something really bad happens to want to

1961
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 1: have some bigger, grander explanation for why it happened. It

1962
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 1: can't just be as simple as this guy had an

1963
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:36,759
Speaker 1: amazing shot from far away and it killed the president

1964
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 1: and it's just him. Can't be right. But what if

1965
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 1: it was, like you brought up sometimes where you know

1966
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:48,719
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan there was an assassination attempts against him. Zero

1967
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. Why because he survived it. But if you'll

1968
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 1: talk about some Grassy Knoll stuff. There's some audities there are,

1969
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 1: there are, and you know, I think if there is

1970
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory, which I don't know definitively anything, I

1971
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 1: think there's probably.

1972
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:08,680
Speaker 4: Like somebody somebody goes all right, Payne, I'm going to

1973
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 4: tell you the truth, but you got to you got

1974
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 4: to keep this just between you and me. Don't be

1975
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 4: going on you dang podcast and telling people everything.

1976
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 1: You can trust me? Yeah?

1977
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Grassy Knoll, the head movement, like the guy

1978
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 4: back there, who was I mean, I'm a hunter.

1979
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 1: His head goes back. So let's say that that's true.

1980
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 1: What does it mean because the biggest thing with conspiracies

1981
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 1: is like what changes everything?

1982
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 2: Well, what does it mean that we did like we

1983
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:41,759
Speaker 2: did this.

1984
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 1: To him our own government?

1985
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 4: Not necessarily okay, just so that means that we weren't

1986
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 4: told the truth?

1987
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 1: Okay. And then it's like, okay, well why would you

1988
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 1: hide that? Because why would you hide it if there

1989
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 1: was not just two people? Okay, all right?

1990
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 4: Why would they hide UFO stuff?

1991
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 1: I think because the implications are huge, we're all going

1992
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 1: to run out right, which I hate that take too,

1993
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:17,679
Speaker 1: which I think there's play some people who you can't

1994
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:19,720
Speaker 1: handle the truth. Yeah, it's a little bit of that,

1995
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 1: I feel like. But also I think the gen Z

1996
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 1: doesn't give a shit about any of that. They're like, cool,

1997
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:26,759
Speaker 1: we already thought that was true anyway.

1998
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:28,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think if there's.

1999
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 1: Ever been a good time to tell us the truth

2000
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 1: on UFOs and aliens, it's right now. Yeah. I mean,

2001
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 1: I think if there's a cover up, it has to

2002
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:41,759
Speaker 1: do with secrets they didn't want to get out about

2003
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 1: other things the government was doing that looked bad that

2004
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 1: were wrapped up into JFK and maybe his assassination, But

2005
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 1: not that they're covering for some other shooter per se. Okay,

2006
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 1: but if you think otherwise, I mean, I could be

2007
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:00,200
Speaker 1: convinced we.

2008
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 4: May have to do a whole episode and now I

2009
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 4: got to go back and he's brush up.

2010
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:06,640
Speaker 1: This is a whole thing, right.

2011
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 4: It is a whole thing. Well, the bullet, I've spent

2012
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 4: a lifetime hunting, never seen a bullet. Bullets don't look

2013
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:17,559
Speaker 4: like that when they hit something, especially when they go

2014
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:22,839
Speaker 4: through multiple body parts. What it looks like the magic bullet.

2015
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:27,440
Speaker 1: It's there's there's no untouched right, It's like you carefully

2016
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 1: took white gloves and pulled it out of the cartridge,

2017
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:34,080
Speaker 1: casing there's not a den on it. Bullets look like

2018
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 1: deform mushrooms when they hit things, especially going through wrist,

2019
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:39,879
Speaker 1: but I think it's bloods.

2020
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they don't look like that. So why is

2021
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 4: that sitting on a stretcher in pristine shape?

2022
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's to tie the deed to.

2023
01:44:54,439 --> 01:45:00,240
Speaker 4: The gun in the window, and there's no doubt about it,

2024
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 4: because I've got the rifling on the bullet and it

2025
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 4: matches the gun in the window, which was where Lee was.

2026
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:09,600
Speaker 4: That somebody really wants you to tie that bullet to

2027
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 4: that gun.

2028
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 1: It is inconvenient too that Oswald was killed.

2029
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:21,040
Speaker 4: In police headquarters by a guy that walked right up

2030
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:21,280
Speaker 4: to it.

2031
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

2032
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:29,759
Speaker 4: Oswald also wasn't taking credit for it, as most people

2033
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:31,040
Speaker 4: would be proud of what.

2034
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 1: They had pulled off. That's a good point.

2035
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 4: He's saying from the beginning, I'm a patsy. I'm a patsy.

2036
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: We should pull the audience here and see if they

2037
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,720
Speaker 1: want around two with us. At some point where we

2038
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 1: dig in deep, I have to go back and study

2039
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 1: because it's I'll have a counter argument. But also like,

2040
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 1: I think that there are things like that that I

2041
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:54,680
Speaker 1: like to go deeper into that I probably wouldn't have

2042
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 1: an answer for. Well, I will tell you this, like.

2043
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 4: When I went and listened to the MLK tapes, it's

2044
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:06,799
Speaker 4: one of my favorite podcasts ever. Awesome because I learned

2045
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 4: so much. Yeah, see, you need to make that and

2046
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,040
Speaker 4: you can cut this out if it's not a good

2047
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 4: business plan. If that was a docuseries, it would be

2048
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 4: a national hit. Oh yeah, because you have you have

2049
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 4: generations that do not know this story. You're right, And

2050
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 4: I who lived. I remember my mom telling me at

2051
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:35,920
Speaker 4: breakfast that Martin Luther King was killed. I remember the day.

2052
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:36,720
Speaker 1: Wow.

2053
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 4: So and I didn't know all the stuff in this story.

2054
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:43,759
Speaker 4: So I'm like, why has Kennedy talked about so much

2055
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 4: but not this? And I think MLK is a more

2056
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 4: fascinating if you want to talk about a cover up?

2057
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 4: And now do you do you all right? Do you

2058
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 4: think James rl Ray was the lone gunman in m Okay?

2059
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 1: I again, and there's no smoking gun that points me

2060
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: to the fact that he isn't.

2061
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,920
Speaker 4: Oh really, I mean, you changed my mind.

2062
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:14,559
Speaker 1: I think that it's one of those things where pain

2063
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:20,599
Speaker 1: is changed pain presenting the oddities and the facts as they.

2064
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 4: Are, and that that didn't.

2065
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 1: I think I went down that and then I eventually

2066
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:30,320
Speaker 1: found myself kind of going back a little bit and saying, hey,

2067
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:33,160
Speaker 1: is is this one of those things again where it

2068
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 1: just feels better for it to be bigger than it is.

2069
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 1: I could be wrong on that too, Maybe I'm going

2070
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 1: too far back the other direction, but you know, if

2071
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 1: it was so easy to figure out, then we would

2072
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:47,360
Speaker 1: just we wouldn't be talking about it at all, right,

2073
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 1: it wouldn't even be a debate. So you gotta remember too,

2074
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 1: like the other side where it's like, okay, well it's not.

2075
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't convincing the other way either, necessarily. So I

2076
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:01,719
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I think that all the research

2077
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 1: he did too was compelling to me open my eyes

2078
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 1: on how I looked at the whole thing, But it

2079
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 1: did me as well. Yeah, it's the kind of but

2080
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 1: I didn't I can see how and why and all

2081
01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 1: that stuff, but I had never felt fully convinced that

2082
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:21,160
Speaker 1: it was definitively, you know, more than that than what

2083
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 1: we do.

2084
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 4: And then that kind of said, so, so now we

2085
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 4: have JFK, and now we have MLK And basically what

2086
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 4: you're saying is we're never going to know the truth.

2087
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 1: And I hate that.

2088
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 4: But so it goes back. It had been to my

2089
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 4: premise of why we why we are attracted to these things,

2090
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 4: because we are so stinking hungry to know the truth

2091
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 4: about something. We don't trust our government, we don't trust

2092
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 4: our media. We don't And it's like, just tell me

2093
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 4: the truth. I can deal with it.

2094
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 1: Right, Just tell me that. I don't want to be

2095
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 1: was Hoover that corrupted? I can do it. Yeah, just

2096
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:00,839
Speaker 1: confirm it. Yeah, yeah, I think we I think we

2097
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:04,720
Speaker 1: were starving for the truth. Yeah. I always tell my my,

2098
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 1: my mom and dad, just to you know, from being

2099
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 1: kind of in media, which is I mean not necessarily

2100
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 1: the news media, but you know, investigative reporting is kind

2101
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:18,800
Speaker 1: of close to that just kind of changed my perspective

2102
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 1: on how to look at the news and whether to

2103
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 1: trust it blindly like that at all obviously, And so

2104
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 1: I always tell my parents, like, hey, like take that

2105
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:28,840
Speaker 1: with a grain of salt. You know, Well, they went

2106
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:32,040
Speaker 1: to Bernie Man, which is wild. For the first time ever.

2107
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:35,320
Speaker 1: Mom and dad, My mom and dad. It's it's weird

2108
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 1: even saying this right now went to the burning Man,

2109
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:43,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, what world am I living? But

2110
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:47,720
Speaker 1: this year it got super rainy and super muddy, and

2111
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 1: my mom calls and leaves me a voicemail and says, hey,

2112
01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 1: just want to let you know we're here safe. Or

2113
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 1: we made it on the news saying.

2114
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 4: Though it was like a goat rope, right, I mean she.

2115
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:00,639
Speaker 1: Was saying it wasn't as bad as IM making it look.

2116
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:04,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, I that's what are we talking about? Yeah,

2117
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:07,839
Speaker 1: because they're really making it look like that on TikTok even. Yeah,

2118
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 1: and my parents were having more fun.

2119
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:12,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it was for extra days, like a hundred

2120
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:14,960
Speaker 4: thousand people trapped in the desert at a party.

2121
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they wanted to be. I'm going to have

2122
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:19,760
Speaker 1: to do a bit about your parents going to birk

2123
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:22,720
Speaker 1: Please do, please do, because it's it is a bit.

2124
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 1: It writes itself. Yeah. Also, I would never want to

2125
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:30,800
Speaker 1: go there with them. I would go, but I don't

2126
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:32,240
Speaker 1: want to see my mom. I don't want to see

2127
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 1: when I see whatever else I see there.

2128
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 4: No, you don't.

2129
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 1: I also don't want to see any of that as

2130
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 1: a matter of fact. Yeah, hurts your head a little.

2131
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:45,760
Speaker 4: Bit well, you know, but at the end of the day,

2132
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:49,960
Speaker 4: it's like it for a comic. What you're trying to

2133
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 4: do is in one of the I've been so blessed

2134
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:56,760
Speaker 4: that I've gotten to see the country because as a

2135
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:00,519
Speaker 4: little kid, I never went anywhere on vacation to South

2136
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:03,759
Speaker 4: Carolina and state of my grandmother's trailer on that farm

2137
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:06,799
Speaker 4: for two weeks that was our I've never been anywhere.

2138
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:08,760
Speaker 4: Through comedy, had been to all fifty states and just

2139
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 4: about all over the world. But what you realize is

2140
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 4: the scenery changes and the accents change, but people are

2141
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:21,720
Speaker 4: the same they are. You know, we're even so politically

2142
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 4: divided in this country. But I think you could take

2143
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 4: somebody at either end of the political spectrum and sit

2144
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 4: them down one on one and say what do you

2145
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 4: want out of life? And it's hey, I want to

2146
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 4: be able to afford a home. I want to be

2147
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 4: able to go to the doctor, want to be able

2148
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 4: to take care of my children, want to be able

2149
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:41,040
Speaker 4: to buy I bet eighty five percent of what we

2150
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:44,360
Speaker 4: want it's the same. Yeah, at both ends of the

2151
01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:47,679
Speaker 4: political spectrum. Now we don't choose to celebrate the eighty

2152
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 4: five percent that we share. The same. We want to

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Speaker 4: yell at each other about the fifteen percent where we're different.

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Speaker 4: But for a comic, that's all I've got. If I

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Speaker 4: go on stage in Oregon, my accents different. I grew

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Speaker 4: up in a different looking place. But I'm looking for

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Speaker 4: what are you and I have in common? And what

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Speaker 4: those things are is our thoughts, what we say, our family.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for that connection. I think that's what podcasts are.

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Speaker 4: It's that connection. It is human beings. We're hungry for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we want to be.

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Speaker 1: Part of a tribe.

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Speaker 4: We want to be told the truth. So I think

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Speaker 4: you do a service to people.

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Speaker 1: And what you do, what do you mean? I mean

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Speaker 1: you're digging for the truth, right, don't always get there,

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Speaker 1: but you're digging for it, which is all people want.

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Speaker 1: There was a live show for up Advantage that we

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Speaker 1: did in Atlanta years ago. I think this is probably

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. It was my first live show, and I

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Speaker 1: learned after the show that, oh, my god, you missed it.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Foxworthy was here sitting near my grandma and I

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Speaker 1: was like, what, so, you stole the show?

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Speaker 4: No, I didn't you. But I'm sitting in the back

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Speaker 4: just listening and enjoying. I like learning.

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Speaker 1: Well, this has been a blast, man. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: I don't even I'm not sure what we talked about.

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Speaker 1: I just enjoyed the talk. It's same, yeah, same. I

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Speaker 1: think we did something. Either way, it's going on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Like my wedding night.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it did, but we did something.

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Speaker 1: We got married though. I don't know if it was

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Speaker 1: right or wrong, but we did something. I feel good though.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming out here too. Well.

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Speaker 4: No, I just admire what you do, and I admire

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Speaker 4: the way you got into it is you know it

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Speaker 4: to me, people that are creative, most of them are

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Speaker 4: creative in more than one area of their life. But

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Speaker 4: we're kind of weirdos a little bit, and so I

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Speaker 4: kind of think creatives kind of understand each other a

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Speaker 4: little bit, kind of like comics. It's funny, like when

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Speaker 4: you start out, we're all mean to each other because

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Speaker 4: everybody's trying to get into you. But once you've done

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Speaker 4: it a while, we're all nice to each other because

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Speaker 4: it's like, you know right exactly, you know the price

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Speaker 4: that goes with this.

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Speaker 1: Now we feel like we can confide in each other

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Speaker 1: a little bit co miserate on a couple of those

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Speaker 1: things that no one else I like.

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Speaker 4: To see a I love the state, so I like

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Speaker 4: to see somebody from my home state be successful. And

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Speaker 4: it's an unusual career path to just hold your nose

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Speaker 4: and jump, which is what you did, and try something

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Speaker 4: totally new and it worked, and now you leok back

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Speaker 4: and go, oh my gosh, like you said, what if

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Speaker 4: I hadn't done this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the scariest thought to me.

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Speaker 4: What if I hadn't done this.

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Speaker 2: It's not what I would change, is what if I

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Speaker 2: didn't do that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeahnap. So for everybody listening, yeah you need that

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Speaker 4: moment in your life, hold your nose and jump.

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Speaker 1: But if you really suck at singing, if you suck.

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Speaker 4: At it, don't do it. But if it's your gift,

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Speaker 4: if you're good at it, yeah, go for it. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the worst thing that can happen is you fail. And

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Speaker 4: I always told my kids, I said, I want you

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Speaker 4: to fail a lot, because if you're failing, that means

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Speaker 4: you're testing the boundaries of what you're capable of.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so you're right, give me. If this didn't work,

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, well, I was on it.

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Speaker 4: The next thing, go go do the next thing.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Man, Thanks Man, Yeah, that's awesome. Cowboy cookies next time.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's Mike here. Thanks for listening to another episode

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Speaker 3: of Talking to Death. If you enjoyed it, be sure

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Speaker 3: to listen next week for a brand new conversation between

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Speaker 3: Payne and another very special guest. Thank you. Talking to

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Speaker 3: Death is a production of Tenorfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts,

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Speaker 3: created and hosted by Payne Lindsay. For Tenorfoot TV, executive

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Speaker 3: producers are Payne Lindsay and Donald Albright. Co executive producer

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Speaker 3: is Mike Rooney. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are Matt

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Speaker 3: Frederick and Alex Williams. With original music by Makeup and

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Speaker 3: Vanity Set. Additional production by Mike Rooney, Dylan Harrington, Sean Nerney,

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Speaker 3: Dayton Cole, and Gustave Wilde for Coohedo. Production support by

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Speaker 3: Tracy Kaplan, Mara Davis, and Trevor Young. Mixing and mastering

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Speaker 3: by Cooper Skinner and Dayton Cole. Our cover art was

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