1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Rong. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week and Beyond Contact, 12 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some of 13 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: the newest. 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 4: Cases as we talked with the top experts. Welcome to 16 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're going to 17 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 4: be speaking with Jeremiah Horseman, who's a lifelong paranormal researcher. 18 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 4: He's based in Sedona, Arizona, where he spent over a 19 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 4: decade investigating various UFOs and various military activity in the area. 20 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: As well as looking into what very well may be 21 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 4: a secret underground base. He's also investigated the famous Bradshaw Ranch, 22 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 4: which has been known to have lots of UFO sightings 23 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 4: and different high strangeness and paranormal activity on the property. 24 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 4: It's going to be fun talking to him. Hey, Jeremiah, 25 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 4: how you doing, buddy? 26 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 5: Hey, Ron doing great. Thanks for having me. It's wonderful 27 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 5: to be here. 28 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely so listen. You guys have recently been featured on 29 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 4: a TV show on News Nation where you were interviewed 30 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 4: by Ross Colhart, and that was a very interesting piece. 31 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 4: It was you and your girlfriend Alexandra. You guys talked 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 4: about the different mysteries near Sedona. Let us know what 33 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 4: sort of activity you're seeing out there. 34 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 5: As of September of twenty twenty three, we have a 35 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 5: heightened amount of anomalous activity in the skies and that 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 5: primarily for Sedona. As you know, it's very common for 37 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 5: people to come here and see UFOs, UAPs and high strangers. 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 5: But this particular case was a bit different from the norm. 39 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 5: Where a friend of ours that you share as well, 40 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 5: Melinda Leslie, had called that late September and said, Jeremiah, 41 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 5: Alexander you need to come out with me. You have 42 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 5: to see this. There's something going on. And that's what 43 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 5: started this because what she was seeing with her guests 44 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 5: were sets of UFOs, sometimes they were in sets, sometimes singular, 45 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 5: of amber colored balls of light coming up from the 46 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 5: what we call the Sycamore Basin, so the Sycamore Canyon area, 47 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 5: which is huge. It's about a twenty seven mile long 48 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 5: canyon that runs roughly north to south from the Flagstaff 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 5: area all the way down to the base of the 50 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 5: Mingus Mountains. It's a huge canyon and the center of 51 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 5: it is about seven miles in width, and that's called 52 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 5: the Sycamore Basin, and these lights appear to be coming 53 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 5: up from that area. So we were busy that particular 54 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 5: night when she called, and she was unusually very emotional, 55 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 5: and so I hauled her back and I said, what's 56 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 5: going on? She said, I don't know. You have to 57 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 5: get out here. You have to see this. It's happening 58 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 5: every night. So a few weeks later we went out 59 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 5: with her and she had clients with her, and she said, 60 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 5: I'm maybe driving fast, try to keep up there coming 61 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 5: up at the same time every night. And when she 62 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 5: drove us to a place where she doesn't normally do 63 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 5: her tours. It's a place roughly halfway between Cottonwood and Sedona, 64 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 5: a rural road called Bill Gray Road. And she's flying 65 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 5: down this road. Brother, she's kicking up dust. We can 66 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 5: barely see where we're going. In fact, we had to 67 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 5: pull over because we actually couldn't see, and she was 68 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 5: like a rocket. We could see the red lights through 69 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 5: the dust down the road. So we catch up with 70 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 5: her and she's pulled off the side of the road. 71 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 5: Now she's already jumped out of her car and she's 72 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 5: passing out her very nice night vision, its military grade 73 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 5: night vision. So I'm trying to at mine on. I 74 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 5: think I had mine upside down at the moment, but 75 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 5: Alexander goes right to it, and she points toward Black 76 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 5: Mountain and Kaser Mountain, which are to the northwest of 77 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 5: where we are. And on the other side of Black 78 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 5: Mountain and Kaser Mountain is this Sycamore Base and Sycamore Canyon, 79 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 5: so we're looking in that direction. Alejanda has the goggles 80 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 5: on for just moments. She says, oh, my gosh, there 81 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 5: they are. But Algi, I said, I see helicopters and 82 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 5: she starts counting out loud, one, two, three, and I 83 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 5: think she got up to seventeen. She could see seventeen 84 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 5: black Hawk helicopters and they were all at the same altitude, 85 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 5: and they were spaced in intervals like they were waiting 86 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 5: for something. And she's saying this out loud, it looks 87 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 5: like they're waiting for something. And Molisa says, just wait, 88 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 5: you'll see what they're waiting for. Just wait, you'll see. 89 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 5: And I think not even five to ten minutes went 90 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 5: by as we're watching these helicopters that are relatively stationary, 91 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 5: and this first huge amber ball of light rises up 92 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 5: from behind Black Mountain comes up, and it gets to 93 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 5: kind of a crescendo of brightness what she calls a 94 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 5: power up. It gets really bright to where we had 95 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 5: to pull the goggles away from our eyes because it 96 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 5: was making a ringer. You couldn't see through the goggles 97 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 5: because it was giving off so much light and you 98 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 5: can see the amber light with your bare eyes from 99 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 5: that distance. Is that it got really bright and the dimmed. 100 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 5: We put the goggles back on our faces, and as 101 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 5: it did so, two helicopters broke formation and joined it. 102 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 5: And it moved to the southwest over Mingus Mountain and 103 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 5: the two helicopters followed it. So we're all shouting out loud, 104 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 5: what is this, what's going on? And she said, just wait, 105 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 5: just wait, keep watching, don't take your eyes off the target. 106 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 5: We put our goggles back on. We're looking that direction. 107 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 5: On the second amber ball of light comes up from 108 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 5: behind the mountain, gets really bright, same pattern as the 109 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 5: first one. It starts to dim, and two more helicopters 110 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 5: break off and follow it. So we watched this pattern 111 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 5: transpire probably a period of thirty minutes, and more balls 112 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 5: of light come up and follow are followed by These 113 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 5: helicopters were more likely escorted over Mingus Mountain by which 114 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 5: time it's over and she takes the goggles out. She goes, well, 115 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 5: there it is. What do you think? I said, that 116 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 5: is very strange. It looks like there's human involvement in this. 117 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 5: She goes, well, there is. She said, I had a 118 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 5: an Air Force colonel with me, she's a colonel or 119 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 5: lieutenant colonel, who was looking at his activity with her 120 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 5: and said this is highly unusual. And he had a 121 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 5: special app on his phone which was more or less 122 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 5: like an airplane tracking application or an app on his phone, 123 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 5: and you can see where it's basically a radar as well. 124 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 5: You can see where craft are coming off the ground. 125 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 5: And he was telling her whatever these are, they're coming 126 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 5: up to server that mountain near that this crevice and 127 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 5: she goes, oh, yeah, that's Sycamore Sycamore Canyon. And he said, 128 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 5: is there an airport over there? She said no, no, 129 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 5: there's absolutely nothing over there but very rugged desert wilderness. 130 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 5: There's nothing out there. So that's what kicked this whole 131 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 5: investigation off in Earnest And as far. 132 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: As a hold on, you said that it was human activity. Obviously, 133 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 4: it's human activity. You're watching these black Hawk helicopters. Sure, obviously, 134 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 4: So what makes you think it has anything to do 135 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 4: with non humans? 136 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 5: Well, before that, one of the most common things that 137 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 5: people will come to Cite to see are the UFO tours. 138 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 5: In a lot of cases, what they are seeing in 139 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 5: the sky is So there's a number of theories as 140 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 5: to why we believe there's an active portal here. We know, 141 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 5: I believe it, I know. 142 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 4: But you're saying that, but why if it's got all 143 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: these black helicopters, why would it not be something that 144 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 4: our military is testing or using. 145 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 5: Well, you're getting ahead of me there, it is. We've 146 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 5: identified several of the firms that are out there underground 147 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 5: in a facility that's under the Sycamore basin. One of 148 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 5: them is Lockheed Martin, and one is Teldyne, and another 149 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 5: one is called Global. There's actually more than that out there, 150 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 5: but we're going on a confirmed whistleblower. The first one 151 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 5: I met and got to know personally who had worked 152 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 5: out there. And I met this gentleman at a party 153 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 5: and he heard me talking about what we had seen, 154 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 5: and he laughed and he walked over and said, are 155 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 5: you talking about the base over there? And he thumbed 156 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 5: over her shoulder and I said, yeah, do you know 157 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 5: anything about it? He goes, for sure, I worked there. 158 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 5: I thought he was joking. So we all laughed and 159 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 5: I said you're serious, and he said, well, of course, 160 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 5: he said, I don't work there anymore. That was back 161 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 5: in He went, oh, nineteen eighty seven. I said, wait, wait, wait, wait, 162 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 5: wait wait wait, you actually worked in that facility? He 163 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 5: said yeah, And I said, would you mind telling me 164 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 5: what you did, because it's really not a big deal. 165 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 5: He said, I worked security. I had my own After 166 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 5: I stopped working for the Central Intelligence Agency, I started 167 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 5: my own paramilitary contractor company. They said, we all go 168 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 5: back to our old bosses and the agency to get 169 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 5: our first big gig. That was my first big gig 170 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 5: with my own company. 171 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: I said, Ky, Jeremiah, I think the big thing here, 172 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 4: the reason this is a big deal is because there 173 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: is no official military base anywhere near here. Right. 174 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 5: No, No, they officially acknowledged no. Doctor Richard Solder, who 175 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 5: wrote a book about underground bases, actually did get through 176 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 5: repeated FOYA document requests, the first official smoking gun confirmation 177 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 5: that we had seen, which is documented evidence from DARPA 178 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 5: and from the US Air Force and the Department of Energy, 179 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 5: which it was called ben it's no longer called the 180 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 5: Department Energy, who were tasked way back in the fifties 181 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 5: with making underground facilities that we could use for defense purposes, 182 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 5: in this particular case R and D research and development. 183 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 5: In the nineteen seventies, they actually wanted to expand upon 184 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 5: some of them. This is also through doctor Sala's Research 185 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 5: and Freedom of Information Act. They wanted twelve super deep 186 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 5: underground basis. And what I mean by super deep is 187 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 5: the Department of Defense was looking for something that was 188 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 5: deep enough they couldn't be penetrated by Russian ICBMs that 189 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 5: were designed to hit our underground facilities. They wanted something 190 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 5: deeper than these could go. So they came up with 191 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,479 Speaker 5: a depth of four thousand to five thousand feet subsurface, 192 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 5: and they had a long list of criteria that they 193 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 5: wanted a sandstone and soft crust of a desert, if 194 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 5: you will, with a hard basalt under it which we 195 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 5: could support the facility. And they sent geologists from the 196 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 5: Department of Energy out all over the country to find 197 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 5: at least twelve sites. It took them several years to 198 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 5: do it, but they did. They found twelve sites. Three 199 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 5: of those sites they is the Department of Defense, through 200 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 5: the Department of Energy, DARPA, and the US Air Force. 201 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 5: So those agencies, if you will, well, two agencies and 202 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 5: one branch of the US military working together to find 203 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 5: a location and make this facility. When they came to 204 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 5: the site that's out here in the northwest of Sedona, 205 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 5: in the Sycamore Basin, it was already an existing site 206 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,599 Speaker 5: that had been built in the nineteen fifties. It was 207 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 5: kept very secret. All they did was expand upon it, 208 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 5: and they kept expanding upon it all the way up 209 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 5: into the nineteen nineties, which involves the Bradshaw Ranch. That's 210 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 5: when the Bradshaws were having their home shape, their cattle 211 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 5: being scared, their windows rallying at night, and water pipes 212 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 5: rallying because of the facility being extended under their property. 213 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 5: And when we were called by Tom Dongo. I'm sure 214 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 5: you know Tom Dongo. 215 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 4: Of course, he's the guy that wrote all the books 216 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 4: on the Bradshaw Ranch. We need to take a break 217 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 4: here though, Jeremiah. When we come back, we're going to 218 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 4: talk to you more about this underground base and why 219 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 4: we think it's an underground base and what some people 220 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 4: in the local area are talking about it. You're listening 221 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 4: to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 222 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 4: AM Paranormal podcast. Now we are back on Beyond Contact 223 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 4: talking to Jeremiah Horseman here. Jeremiah tell us some of 224 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 4: the reasons that it seems that this could be a 225 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 4: military base because people have had experiences running into people 226 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 4: that could be or at least seem to be military. 227 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 5: Right, Yes, yes, Tom had interviewed dozens of people with 228 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 5: what he described his military, what they described his military, 229 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 5: and he presumed that they were probably paramilitary contractors, because 230 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 5: there's law, of course, constitutional law that forbids the branches 231 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 5: of US Service, any branch of US Service, from engaging 232 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 5: in a hostile manner with the civil populace. It's against 233 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 5: the law, it's unconstitutional. However, those laws don't extend to 234 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 5: the paramilitary cont tractor companies such as Blackwater and so on. 235 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 5: So he very keenly observed that they were probably paramilitary contractors, 236 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 5: but he wasn't really at that time going to focus 237 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 5: his energy on looking into it. Is modus apparandi, if 238 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 5: you will. When he first started almost forty years ago, 239 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 5: where the cryptis, the UFOs, the orbs and the other 240 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 5: anomous activity of which there's a lot in the Sonona area, 241 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 5: And so he kind of put that on the back burner. 242 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 5: But he had a couple of friends that were working 243 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 5: with him that went full tilt into it and would 244 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 5: kind of report back to him what their witnesses would 245 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 5: tell them, what they themselves had encountered. One of his 246 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 5: friends in particular, had actually gone to one site up 247 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 5: on a Mingus mountain, so this is south of Sycamore Canyon, 248 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 5: and had a very nasty encounter on a rural road 249 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 5: with what he described as military, but they weren't. They 250 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 5: were paramilitary contractors at a particular site. And he went 251 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 5: out there several times with a camera and the last 252 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 5: time they had lost their patients. They said, look, if 253 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 5: you come up here again, we'll shoot you. Do you understand, 254 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 5: Do not come up here again. So he goes back 255 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 5: to Tom and he says to Tom, you need to 256 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 5: come up here. You need to see this site. There's 257 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 5: an entrance that's camouflaged to look like a power terminal. 258 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 5: You've got to see it. And Tom said, there's no 259 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 5: way I'm going up there. They told you you're going 260 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 5: to shoot you. He said, that's what they said. He goes, well, 261 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 5: you can go back up there. I'm never going anywhere 262 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 5: near that site. But Tom, of course, being a good man, 263 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 5: a good researcher, was documenting even the stuff he was 264 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 5: getting from other researchers that he trusted, like this man 265 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 5: who is a personal friend of his. Now, when I 266 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 5: first moved here, rumors of an underground base were ripe. 267 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 5: I laughed at them. I thought, yeah, that's pretty funny 268 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 5: rumors of portals ortal short. That's you know, science fiction 269 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 5: right there. The things that I laughed at when I 270 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 5: first moved here, I am no longer laughing at, because 271 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 5: not only is there concrete, hard evidence of it being here, 272 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 5: the government is also here too because of much of 273 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 5: the anomalous activity that's going on to here, and in 274 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 5: certain locations they've actually seized properties because of the anomalous 275 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 5: activity that's going on here. One of the reasons why 276 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 5: the underground base here was made larger than some of 277 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 5: the other underground bases because you've heard of Jake Barbour. 278 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 5: Of course, one of the jobs that he has or 279 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 5: had in the past was working for a certain research 280 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 5: and development firm, aerospace firm in recovering down et craft 281 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 5: down an hi craft and of course what they're doing 282 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 5: with that is reverse engineering it, and they've been doing 283 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 5: this for decades. It's one of the biggest secrets hidden 284 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 5: behind the door of the US intelligence apparatus in this 285 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 5: country is the fact that NHI is here. The advanced 286 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 5: tech that they're bringing, a lot of it we do have, 287 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 5: and we're using for a nefarious purposes such as weaponizing it. 288 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 5: When it comes to this area here, it would appear 289 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 5: that they're doing much the same thing because the portal 290 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 5: sites that are in the canyons and these are natural 291 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 5: portal sites wrong, which is we're giving it out. 292 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 4: Hold on, what do you I mean? That seems like 293 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 4: a big leap to go from there's a military base 294 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 4: under the ground, which I can absolutely believe. We've got 295 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: many accounts and videos of military helicopters and all of that. 296 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: That makes sense to me. Now to jump to there's 297 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 4: a vortex or a portal, what evidence or what is 298 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 4: the reason to speculate make that giant leap to all 299 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 4: of a sudden, there's a portal here. 300 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 5: Okay, you're gonna love this. This get's even deeper and great. 301 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 5: So one of the best pieces of that is that 302 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 5: really concretes the fact that there is not one, but 303 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 5: several portal sites here. Some are more active than others. 304 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 5: They're natural geophysical points in this area, and it has 305 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 5: to have the natural geographical qualities to make them work, 306 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 5: such as the crystals in the ground. We have a 307 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 5: lot of crystal here. The iron oxide which gives Sedona's 308 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 5: famous red rocks underground water causing friction and putting positive 309 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 5: negative ions up into the air, which were drawn to 310 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 5: each other when they collide, just like the Sanan Collider. 311 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 5: That's when the magic happens. Now, way back when we 312 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 5: still don't know exactly how far back, but probably in 313 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 5: the late fifties they discovered, the government discovered that there 314 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 5: were portals here and the NSI was using them at 315 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 5: will to come and go. We've got several bits of 316 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 5: concrete evidence, but one of the best pieces landed. I 317 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 5: lapsed almost by accident again. Tom Dongo sent me a 318 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 5: video this past December. The video was posted on December 319 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 5: twenty sixth, just this past year, and the video was 320 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 5: posted by when the Molten Howel. It was a very 321 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 5: sentimental video about her late past cat and she was 322 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 5: talking more about the transfer of energy, that death is 323 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 5: not a permanent thing, and she was talking about portals 324 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 5: and souls moving through portals and such. She talked about 325 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 5: nineteen eighty two, when she was an investigative reporter. She 326 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 5: was invited, or i should say ordered, by the network 327 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 5: for CBS to go to a newly constructed facility in Florida. 328 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 5: It was built by Martin Marietta. And of course they 329 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 5: need no introduction in the aerospace defense world. They had 330 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 5: built the facility for astronauts for training astronauts in Florida. 331 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 5: She went down there and she met the astronauts, and 332 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 5: more or less staying in the shadows were a whole 333 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 5: group of top engineers from Martin Marrietta. She left, went 334 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 5: home and kind of thought, well, I'm done with that job. 335 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 5: She got a phone call out of the blue, and 336 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 5: when she answered the phone, the man said, I'm one 337 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 5: of the Martin Marietta chief engineers. I met you in 338 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 5: Florida when you were here recently. I would like to 339 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 5: meet and talk with you because I have some serious 340 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 5: things I want to discuss with you, but I don't 341 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 5: want to talk about it over the phone. And when 342 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 5: she met this man, he explained to her, there are 343 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 5: natural portals in the world. Our government, our Department of Defense, 344 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 5: have discovered nine very active portals, only one of which 345 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 5: is within the continental of the United States, in a 346 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 5: small canyon outside of Sedona, Arizona. Now again, this is 347 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty two, long before my investigation got cooking here. 348 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 5: So this piece of information. 349 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 4: Well bred ranch really had anything that didn't start till 350 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 4: like ninety two. 351 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 5: Absolutely, this is almost a decade before. So here she 352 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 5: is talking about this in the video, I'm already mind 353 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 5: blowing that she's bringing us up. The engineer is saying there, 354 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 5: telling her the reason they came to us is because 355 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 5: they were looking at this as a trojan horse. This 356 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 5: Department Offense did not like the fact that we had 357 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 5: secure borders at that time, but very advanced non human 358 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 5: intelligence with extremely advanced technology have a backdoor into our country. 359 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 5: They can't control it, and they obviously can't shoot these 360 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 5: things down at the time, and so they wanted us 361 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 5: to come to the area and analyze this portal site 362 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 5: and see if there's any way that we could control 363 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 5: it or at least mitigate the amount of NHI that 364 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 5: was coming through it. They said that we did. They 365 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 5: were able to measure certain things at that time in 366 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 5: nineteen eighty two, and one of those things was the 367 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 5: con cave shape of the Earth's emfield. Whenever the portal 368 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 5: would open and then ASI would come shooting out of it, 369 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 5: the concaid emfield would collapse in on itself right above 370 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 5: the portal area in the canyon. When they realized that 371 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 5: em to be major, they also had devices then they 372 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 5: could control it. They took a massive amount of power, 373 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 5: but they built a device. And this man actually made 374 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 5: a sketch of the device, and he even gave us 375 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 5: this sketch to Linda Moulton Howell to keep and he 376 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 5: explained to her that they installed this device in this 377 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 5: small canyon right next to this portal site outside of Sedona, Arizona, 378 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 5: and they had to build a shack, a brick windowless 379 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 5: shack is what he described it, to house this device. Well, 380 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 5: I looked at Alexander, we know where it's at, and 381 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 5: we bolt just gasped because there's several places, more than several, 382 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 5: there's more like five places outside of Sedona that have 383 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 5: fences around them, and there's no rhyme or reason to 384 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 5: why there's fences there. There's fences with government signs that 385 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 5: say no trespassing. It has the code and statute of 386 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 5: the types of penalties of course, that you will get 387 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 5: if you're caught trespassing there. At that time when we 388 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 5: found it, we weren't looking for a thank governmental We 389 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 5: were looking for Anna Sausey Cliff Dwellings pictographs because that 390 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 5: was one of our hobbies and documenting them in this 391 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 5: particular canyon. It's a very small canyon. We had gone 392 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 5: in there and noticed there was nothing in there. There 393 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 5: was nothing except a small windowless shack with a lot 394 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 5: of power going into it, and I just kind of 395 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 5: steered clear of it because there were people government people 396 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 5: that were on the property that were watching that area 397 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 5: where the shack was, so we steered clear of it. 398 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 5: Went deep into the canyon where all the folliges, where 399 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 5: they couldn't see us. I went in there six times. 400 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 5: After I came out the sixth time, I got caught 401 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 5: by a man with a Department of Defense dud badge. 402 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 5: And this man told me, I know you've been going 403 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 5: in there. I know how many times you'd gone in there, 404 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 5: and he was very serious. He said, you can't go 405 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 5: in here again, and he made an underhanded thready pointed 406 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 5: I was on a siding for her sake, you don't 407 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 5: want to be going in there. You don't wanny thing to 408 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 5: happen to her. And I said, no, I don't. Just 409 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 5: went that. We never went back there again, but I 410 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 5: knew that something special was in there. I knew that 411 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 5: that shack had something special going on with it, because 412 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 5: all the power ups going into it, but I put 413 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 5: in the back of my mind. I didn't want to 414 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 5: go back there. I was frightened enough listening to what 415 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 5: this man was saying. He had this legit do d badge, 416 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 5: So I was done with it until later on Beyond 417 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 5: Skinwalker team came for their season one at their TV show. 418 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 5: They wanted Tom Dongo to show them around, but Tom 419 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 5: was very ill at the time, and he called me 420 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 5: and said, would you mind taking up this documentary crew 421 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 5: and showing around brats rats because I simply don't want 422 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 5: to do it. I don't feel well. 423 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 4: Let's hold up right there, buddy, will pick this story 424 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 4: up on the other side of the break. Sure we 425 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 4: come back. We're going to find out what happened when 426 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 4: Jeremiah went out there. You're listening to be on Contact 427 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 428 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Jeremiah. Jeremiah, 429 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 4: pick it up there. So you're going to fill in 430 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 4: for Tom Dogo and you're gonna head out there with 431 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 4: these guys. Tell me how that went. 432 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 5: So there was about a month of prep before they came. 433 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 5: They wanted maps, they wanted pin drops places to go. 434 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 5: And one of the things that struck me is they 435 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 5: were not only interested in the anomalous activity. They said, 436 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 5: there's rumors of underground bases, and they said, do you 437 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 5: have any idea where there might be any tunnels or entrances. 438 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 5: They said, well, sure, the Bradshay Ranch where you're going 439 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 5: to be is rumored to have a tunnel under it. 440 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 5: So I told them I would start right here on 441 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 5: the ranch. And when they came, they brought all this 442 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 5: new equipment run It was incredible stuff. They had this 443 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 5: thing called a ud app or ufo adap. I think 444 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 5: it was for finding an amalous activity in their instantly 445 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 5: quicker than a human being could spot it, and then 446 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 5: recording it. They had technology they could read gamma race 447 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 5: they're coming across the ground. It could read it almost 448 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 5: like a video camera. And then they had separate contractor 449 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 5: called Terra that came out with ground penetrating radar hanging 450 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 5: from a drone. So I gave them a spot where 451 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 5: I thought there was a straight line between two suspected 452 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 5: sites of military installations, and the straight line went right 453 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 5: through the ratch, and they wanted me to trace that 454 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 5: on the maps, which I did. Everybody with the project 455 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 5: had signed NBA's and they weren't allowed to talk about 456 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 5: even with each other. I didn't know that they had 457 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 5: actually found the tunnel right where I suspected it was 458 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 5: until the episode aired. And so when the episode aired, 459 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 5: I was feeling very vindicated because the exact line that 460 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 5: I expected had a tunnel was there. But the thing 461 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 5: that was really profound was the size of it. It 462 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 5: was fifty feet in diameter, and they had basically they 463 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 5: called it mowing the lawn. In the pilot's a sense 464 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 5: where the drone flies back and forth over a football 465 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 5: field left right after right, left right over a grid. 466 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 5: The entire length of the football field covered this tunnel. 467 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 5: It was straight and fifty feet in diameter. Now fast 468 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 5: forward to when News Nation came. News Nation wanted more 469 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 5: pin drop sites. I said, gosh, I've got even more 470 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 5: now suspected sites, so I must have given them six sites. 471 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 5: They said, well, I would like to start actually on 472 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 5: the ranch property too, because I like to vindicate the Bradshaws. 473 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 5: The Broadshaw said that the shaking was coming from versely 474 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 5: run into their property. Well, if that straight line continues 475 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 5: towards Secret Mountain, which is definitely one of the sites 476 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 5: where people have encountered these military types. 477 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 4: By the way, Jeremiah, you mean you mean Secret Mountain, 478 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 4: which just everybody knows that is literally the name of 479 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: the mountain, isn't there Government Mountain and secret Mountain. You 480 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 4: don't mean a secret mountain. You mean the name of 481 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 4: it is secret Mountain. 482 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 5: Secret Mountain. The nomenclature of a lot of the place 483 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 5: around here is really kooky. Run. So you've got Government Canyon, 484 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 5: which is right in the heart of the Sycamore basin 485 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 5: where these craft are coming out that we were getting 486 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 5: to earlier on in our talk. It's in the heart 487 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 5: of the Sycamore Basin. It's called Government Canyon, Secret Mountain. 488 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 5: Now behind that is a very difficult to get to 489 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 5: a place called secret Canyon. Secret Canyon is another location 490 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 5: where people have had and probably the largest concentration of 491 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 5: nasty encounters with these military contractor types who seemingly come 492 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 5: out of nowhere with body armor, helmets, M four car 493 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 5: being side arms. Now again, this is that's public. By 494 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 5: the way, they don't have a right, they don't have 495 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 5: a constitution right to stop somebody in those public areas, 496 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 5: turn them around and tell them to go the other way. 497 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 4: Yet every time I can't even imagine hiking and having 498 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 4: this confronted by some military guy with a gun. 499 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 5: Oh for sure, for sure. Now we had our own encounter, 500 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 5: really nasty encounter was during the COVID closure, and we 501 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 5: were in the rear of the most visited canyon in 502 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 5: all of Suddar's canyons, which is Buytant Canyon. Boytant Canyon. 503 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 5: When I first moved here, got about fifty thousand hikers 504 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 5: a year. Now it gets over three million a year. 505 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 5: It's just it's one of the most popular canyons of 506 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 5: all the canyons here in Sedona. We went back there 507 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 5: at night, off trail deep into the rear of the canyon, 508 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 5: on the rear of the canyon, on the left hand side, 509 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 5: it's touching the tip of Secret Mountain, and that's where 510 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 5: we were. We were back there and we put a 511 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 5: drone up. Our drone was looking into an area where 512 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 5: we believed we had heard voices a week prior. The 513 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 5: voices shouldn't have been there, and then following those voices 514 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 5: with a loud, hollow, metallic boom sounding like an armored 515 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 5: door being closed, we heard twice that night. So we 516 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 5: came back that week with our drone, thinking, well, if 517 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 5: there's a metal door up there or a back entrance, 518 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 5: we'll get our drone in close enough and we'll set 519 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 5: it to shooting four K and maybe we'll see it. 520 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 5: Even if it's camouflaged. Four K should see a linear 521 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 5: door or a linear shadow on these cliff walls. And 522 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 5: so we put the drone up. We got three really 523 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 5: good flights of this area where we heard the voices from, 524 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 5: and we put the drone down. By now it's dark. 525 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 5: We pack up and we're leaving. We left the dry 526 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 5: wash and we got up to the side of this area. 527 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 5: It's kind of like a raised floodplain, but it's a 528 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 5: thicket too. It's really thick. Alexander's about eight paces behind me, 529 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 5: and I thought I saw somebody running and through the 530 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 5: thicket in front of me, dressed in black from my 531 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 5: right to left, in the starlight that was coming through 532 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 5: the trees. I was so tired, I thought, Okay, my 533 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 5: eyes are playing tricks on me. I'm not actually seeing this, 534 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 5: So I didn't warn Alexander that there was somebody ahead 535 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 5: of us. We got to these stone circles in this 536 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 5: thicket that had been there were probably close to one 537 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 5: thousand years. They were put there by the ancient on 538 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 5: the Ssauzi, who built the cliff drollings here. I told Alexenda, hey, 539 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 5: we never come back here. I know your camera shoots 540 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 5: in the light. Why don't we get a couple of 541 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 5: photographs of theason. Let's get the heck out of here. 542 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 5: So she pulled out her camera. She took the first photo, 543 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 5: took the second photo, and then right in unison with 544 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 5: a third photo, a rifle shot went off right behind us, 545 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 5: and it was a suppressed five to five six rifle. 546 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 5: We've both fired suppressed five five six. It makes a 547 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 5: very distinct sound. It's not quiet like it is in 548 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 5: the movies. And you can also tell when the round 549 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 5: is coming your way. And we both ran. The only 550 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 5: thing we could do was run, and we could hear 551 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 5: deer running as well, because they were so startled back there. 552 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 5: You could hear them tearing through the and snorting. And 553 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 5: we ran all the way back to where the public 554 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 5: trail is. And here's where it gets really weird. Run 555 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 5: sore on the public trail, and we're still scared as heck. 556 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 5: Roll cut up our hands are bleeding, and we're still 557 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 5: running full tilt to get back to the car, which 558 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 5: is miles away. And as we're on the public trail 559 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 5: headed south, we hear a thud, thud, thud, thought a 560 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 5: very deep sounding rotor, a very distinct sounding rotor, and 561 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 5: I'm thinking to myself, that sounds like an old Army 562 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 5: UH one helicopter. I'm looking over my shoulders and running, 563 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 5: and sure enough I can see a UH one helicopter 564 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 5: just above the trees and it's coming up right behind us. 565 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 5: It has a sole red lamp on the bottom, and 566 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 5: the red lamp is pointed in our direction. It followed 567 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 5: us all the way to the top of a resort 568 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 5: that's on the mouth of the canyon, and it turned around. 569 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 5: Here's the really wild point. If you've ever been to 570 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 5: Boyne Canyon, it's a narrow canyon. This pilot in the 571 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 5: dark turned that helicopter around below the canyon walls and 572 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 5: flew in disap period of the north. Now we ran 573 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 5: the west way out of there, got home, and I 574 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 5: told all JA was like, Okay, I guess that confirms 575 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 5: my suspicions that there is something in there. Because we're 576 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 5: on this tip of Secret Mountain. We're getting too close 577 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 5: to something. We fly the derone free times. Somebody clearly 578 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 5: doesn't want us in there because they shot at us. 579 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 5: And so if that was the last time we went 580 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 5: to that particular area in Boyne and again, mind you, 581 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 5: that is a public area. Even though it's off trail. 582 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 5: Nobody can legally tell you you can't be there. And 583 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 5: most of the witnesses I've talked to who run into 584 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 5: these paramilitary contractor types have more or less the same 585 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 5: dialogue exchange with them, and it's very brief. Sometimes the 586 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 5: rifles are pointing at them in these gars. If you will, 587 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 5: we'll tell them this is the government operation, this is 588 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 5: government property. Turn around and go back the way you came, 589 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 5: and do not come back here again. Now we met 590 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 5: another witness. 591 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 4: This was by I done and gone. 592 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 5: We have not gone back to that site since, just 593 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 5: like the site where the portal site where Linna molten 594 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 5: Holl did confirm that an actual government contractor, Martin Marrietta 595 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 5: was contracted to control the portal site there. That site 596 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 5: was also confirmed when she met Lieutenant Colonel Philip Corso 597 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 5: and Philip Courso. Of course, his name is now synonymous 598 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 5: with tech recovered from the Rosbolt crash. She was talking 599 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 5: to him about portal sites and she mentioned to youim 600 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 5: I thinking if I remember her conversation out loud, she said, 601 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 5: there's nine portal sites in the world that our Department 602 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 5: of Defense acknowledges. And she said, course, I look stunned, 603 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 5: and he reached out and grabbed her army. He said, 604 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 5: how the hell did you know about that? And she said, well, 605 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 5: I have my sources, and I'm not going to get 606 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 5: my sources up. They have to be kept in quiet. 607 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 5: His face kind of the frost of his attitude, kind 608 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 5: of leading away. He said, well, you're right, there are 609 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 5: nine sites. He named them all, and the last one 610 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 5: he named was sending s on Arizona. So he confirmed 611 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 5: for her that there is a sight here, and that 612 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 5: is one of the reasons ron why there's a much 613 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 5: more higher concentration of anomost activity in this area. There's 614 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 5: a door here. So not just the type of NHI 615 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 5: that people believe fly through space, then fly through our 616 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 5: atmosphere and come down from space that way, the traditional 617 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 5: way we would think of, but there's a way that 618 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 5: NHI comes from. Who knows how many dimensions. I think 619 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 5: somebody or the scientists had cerned. Forgive me if I'm wrong, 620 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 5: but somebody has said there's something like twelve dimensions that 621 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 5: they can confirm. Now, the same type of scientific properties 622 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 5: that make the CERN collider work happen here naturally, But 623 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 5: the few sites around the globehere it happens naturally are very, 624 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 5: very very rare, because the scientific qualities that can make 625 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 5: the collision of the positive native ilons happen, with the 626 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 5: energy that has to be expended to make it happen 627 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 5: is very rare. It's just incredible when you really think 628 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 5: about the rarity of it. And then it happens to 629 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 5: be in an area why shit, at Arizona, which is 630 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 5: so you know, it's a place where people come for 631 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 5: the beauty and the tranquility of the area. But I 632 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 5: think in fact you. 633 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 4: Thinking their tranquility. We need to take a break here. 634 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 4: Jeremiah will come right back on the other side of 635 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 4: this and we'll pick this up. We're going to find 636 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 4: out more about some of the strange things that we've 637 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 4: heard about happening at Bradshaw Ranch, which is very nearby 638 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 4: as well. You're listening to Beyond Contact and the iHeartRadio 639 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 4: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are 640 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 4: back on Beyond Contact speaking with Jeremiah Horseman. Jeremiah, tell 641 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 4: us about this Bradshaw ranch that you've looked at as well. 642 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 4: We've had reports of UFOs going back to at least 643 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 4: nineteen ninety two. Have you personally seen anything on that property. 644 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, we we've been on the property now since 645 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 5: we've started, and again in August it'll be thirteen years ago. 646 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 5: We go there a minimum of once a week, sometimes 647 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 5: twice a week. Nine times out of ten it's quiet, 648 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 5: nothing happens. The other small percent of the time, when 649 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 5: stuff does happens, it's usually pretty intense. One of the 650 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 5: more recent times that we had been down there, I 651 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 5: was with a friend of mine who was a complete 652 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 5: skeptic and electrician here in town. He used to kind 653 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 5: of pooh pooh and ha ha oh my friend Jeremiah 654 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 5: and his portals and UFOs and his cryptid investigations. All 655 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 5: he thought it was funny. I said, why don't you 656 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 5: come out with me, and you spend enough time with me, 657 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 5: you're going to experience something. Because the an almost activity, 658 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 5: the high strangest here is far greater in its frequency 659 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 5: than in most other locations. So come out with me. Well, 660 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 5: he finally did, and he said, can I bring a friend. 661 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 5: I said, sure, the more eyes the merrier, because when 662 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 5: you've witnessed this stuff, sure you can tell other people 663 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 5: and I'll say you're full of it, you're crazy. When 664 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 5: you have the same people, their skeptics saying just those 665 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 5: phrases to you, and they see it with their own eyes, 666 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 5: that it changes their whole world, as you did for 667 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 5: me when I had my first experience. Now we were 668 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 5: at the Brats, our ranch, right in the center of 669 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 5: the ranch. So the ranch itself is about ninety acres. 670 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 5: It's a big piece of property. The site that used 671 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 5: to be the old movie ranch, which Bob built in 672 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 5: nineteen seventy two and he called it Bitter Creek. It 673 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 5: was burned down by the government. They didn't want solicit attention, 674 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 5: they didn't want people coming down there to see it, 675 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 5: so one of the first things they did was to 676 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 5: burn it down. The property in general has an old 677 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 5: adobe structure, which is the oldest structure on the property, 678 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 5: and that was from the old Hancock family that he 679 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 5: bought it from. His ranch house, which is kind of 680 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 5: cataco ined from it. Then on the north side of 681 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 5: the property is a cabin, a little white cabin with 682 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 5: two or three rooms, and then the cattle pens. We 683 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 5: were roughly right in the center. There's a dry wash 684 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 5: that runs from Loy Canyon almost north to south. It 685 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 5: goes right through the center of the ranch. As we're 686 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 5: coming through this, this electrician got very excited, grabbed my 687 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 5: arm and said look, look, look. He turned around and 688 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 5: his female friend gasped, and coming up from ground level 689 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 5: was one of these famous triang shaped craft with the 690 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 5: lights show in the corners. They came up right in 691 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 5: front of all of us, went over hill and disappeared 692 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 5: right in front of all four of us, So we 693 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 5: all four saw it, and that was on the that 694 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 5: was coming up on the north side of the property. 695 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 5: As we were seeing this, this orange shaped light unbeknounced 696 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 5: to me, Melinda Leslie. But my friend who does the 697 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 5: UFO tour, she's about probably seven miles away straight line 698 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 5: back near Sedona where she takes her tours. She and 699 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 5: her tour group saw the trying her craft come up 700 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 5: as well. So it was a fantastic confirmation in two ways. First, 701 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 5: my friend, who was very skeptical the electricians saw this 702 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 5: and his friend saw it as well. And then about 703 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 5: seven miles away, Melinda Leslie with her tour also sees 704 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 5: it coming up from a distance, but to her and 705 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 5: her group it looked like one more of like a 706 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 5: ball of light. They couldn't see the triangle shape of it. 707 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 5: But it came up at the exact same time as 708 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 5: when we saw it, and she was able to match 709 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 5: the time. When she's very good, she was able to 710 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 5: mark the time when I came up, and so I 711 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 5: was communicating with her. She said, you're never going to 712 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 5: believe what we saw tonight. And I was like, you 713 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 5: never believe what we saw and she said, wait, wait, wait, 714 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 5: let me tell you. She was saying what she said. 715 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 5: I said, hang on, what time did you see that? 716 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 5: And she told me. I said that you saw the 717 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 5: same thing we did and it must have not appeared 718 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 5: structure to you. And she agreed, from the distance and 719 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 5: so on that they it'll look like one solid light. 720 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 5: But that was one of the more recent things we 721 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 5: saw there. I know a lot of people have still 722 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 5: a great deal of luck. Now the government still owns 723 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 5: the property, or I should say the US Forest Service 724 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 5: owns it, but one of the properties that they still guard. 725 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 5: So people will go down there in the parking lot 726 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 5: area of the ranch, which is illegal, but once they 727 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 5: go on beyond, like where the front gate is and 728 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 5: so on, it's at the discretion of an individual. The 729 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 5: US Forest Service may come down there and they'll stop 730 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 5: people from going in there. There's broken glass, you know, 731 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 5: it's the band instructure, so they frown upon people going 732 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 5: in there, but they can't stop them. And there's no 733 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 5: longer any postage signs down there now for about two 734 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 5: years after the Broadshaws were moved off the ranch, and 735 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 5: when I've interviewed John Bradshaw, Bob's son, twice about the property, 736 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 5: and he's very guarded, naturally about what he can say 737 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 5: about it. When I was pressing him about the reason 738 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 5: that the government took the property, he leaned back and 739 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 5: he smiled, a very very nice man, very polite. He said, Jeremiah, 740 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 5: he said, it's complicated. That's about all I can say 741 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 5: about the sale of the ranch. He said, you get 742 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 5: what I'm saying. I said, no, I understand. So at 743 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 5: that point I let go of pressing him for any 744 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 5: more information. 745 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 4: But give them an option. They were basically saying, look, 746 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 4: we're going to buy this. 747 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 5: No, there was no they had no option at all. 748 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 5: That the rumor is that eminent domain was declared and 749 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 5: the government took the property. Now it wasn't just that property. 750 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 5: There are four other large properties in the area. It 751 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 5: just happened to be the more famous of the lot, 752 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 5: but four other properties were taken around the same time. 753 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 5: They were giving the owners a choice to take a check, 754 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 5: sign an NDA and forget about it. There was one holdout, 755 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 5: and that was this old lady who was one of 756 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,720 Speaker 5: the descendants of one of the old ranch pioneer families 757 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 5: here by the name of Hancock. She did not want 758 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 5: to sell their property. She's like, I've leatered myiad thought 759 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 5: my life. My grandfather was here and I'm going to 760 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 5: die here. And her lawyer said, look, you can't win 761 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 5: this one. I think you should take the check. And 762 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 5: that's how they got that property. She finally gave up, 763 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 5: and I can get it. She's in her nineties and 764 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 5: she doesn't want to give up her property, especially the 765 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 5: property out there is gorgeous property. I mean, you look 766 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 5: up and do a three sixty and these he's towering 767 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 5: red rock walls around you and free range cattle and 768 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 5: you can't hear cars, and you can't hear airplanes. It's 769 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 5: just beautiful. And that happened to about five different ranches 770 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 5: in the area. Each one's got a slightly different story. 771 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 5: There's a few of them that will not talk at all. 772 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 5: But there's another man at one of those properties, one 773 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 5: of the smaller ones, who was telling all of his friends. 774 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 5: He was a retired scientist, but he was telling all 775 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 5: of his friends, there's a portal on my property. And 776 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 5: they laughed at him. He said, you need to come 777 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 5: to my property. There's a portal of my property and 778 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 5: things are crawling out of it at night. I see them. 779 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 5: I'm seriously seeing these things that's on my property. And 780 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 5: he said they look like bigfoot. He said, there's two 781 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 5: of them that come out of this thing at night. 782 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 5: It's just a light that starts as a little spark 783 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 5: of light and opens up wide and these things come 784 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 5: out of it. And he said, then sometimes I see 785 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 5: them going back. Sparkle of light comes up, it opens 786 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 5: and they crawl back into it. This particular gentleman also 787 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 5: lost his property in just that manner. So it's very 788 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 5: very interesting when you see how many different people in 789 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 5: this area, of various walks of life, different background on 790 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 5: This gentleman was a scientist. He was a very very 791 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 5: tenured scientist at that time. He was retired, but he 792 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 5: was still a sound mind. He was seeing us on 793 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 5: his property, and perhaps he spoke too much about it, 794 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 5: and that's how the government got winn about it, or 795 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 5: perhaps they already knew that part he's not talking about 796 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 5: and he's actually he actually passed away in not too 797 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 5: long ago. So if I was to press him inform information, 798 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 5: I've lost my chance to do so. He's no longer 799 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 5: with us. But I do know where the property is. 800 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 5: I've been at that property several times. It's very very 801 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 5: close to the property where Martin Merritt set up its 802 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 5: shack to control the electro magnetic portion of the atmosphere above. 803 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 5: It's a vast story run and the fact that NHI 804 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 5: with their advanced tech is coming through when you think 805 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 5: at it of it from a research and development or 806 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 5: even better yet, from a Department of Defense perspective, naturally, 807 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 5: first of all, it's a threat. It's that trojan horse 808 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,959 Speaker 5: you want to control what's coming through it. Then you think, well, 809 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 5: what if we had that technology, And I think that 810 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 5: that's why they expanded the facility out here, and Lockheed 811 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 5: is one of the key players. This is my theory. 812 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 5: With the portal site being controlled as it is, it 813 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 5: makes it simple. There's one of the underground entrances is 814 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 5: very near there on a dirt road which they control. 815 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 5: Think of the variables that they had when they had 816 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 5: the crash site at Roswell or the one of the Kingman. 817 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 5: They had to load those things on flatbeds with convoys 818 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 5: and military security, which people saw. Well. To have a 819 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 5: portal site where this stelf is coming through, to control 820 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 5: the property, you have a door with extremely advanced tech 821 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 5: coming through it. Let's say they have a quota like 822 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 5: some of these aerospace firms have. What I'm told by 823 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 5: the whistleblower, a lot of these firms want to shoot 824 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 5: down two a year. Well, in this particular location outside 825 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 5: of Sedona. If you've got a portal site where these 826 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 5: things come through, you simply send a train highly trained 827 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 5: recovery team, quarantine team to take care of the biologicals 828 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 5: and an the craft first, and then the movement team, 829 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 5: which simply has to take it underground from the very site. 830 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 5: All the security variables are now controlled. Nobody's going to 831 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 5: see it. Well, you've got complete control over the secrecy 832 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,439 Speaker 5: of what you're taking under ground. They simply turn off 833 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 5: the device to send this shack. Now, again, this is conjecture. 834 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 5: This is just my theory. 835 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 4: I say, a lot of this is a reach, man, 836 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 4: I mean a lot of it is pretty thin, you 837 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 4: know what I mean. I mean, it's possible, and we 838 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 4: have heard reports on the Bradshaw rants about specifically even 839 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 4: alien grays and bigfoot being seen there and possibly people 840 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 4: think it wasn't there and then it pops in. So 841 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 4: that's why they speculated it was. 842 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,919 Speaker 5: A portal, right, right, And Linda Bradshaw herself had seen 843 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 5: the portal open on two occasions and she got a 844 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 5: photograph of what she believed was the portal opening, and 845 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 5: her son Victor was so keen on going out there 846 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 5: with her with his camera, dubbed the place lactic park 847 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 5: because the amount of phenomena that they were seeing there 848 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 5: with orbs. They literally saw four grays walking across their property. 849 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, the stories are amazing, and they go all the way, 850 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 4: even the dinosaurs. I mean it gets pretty unbelievable. Let's 851 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 4: say that unbelievable. Hey, brother, we're out of time here, man. 852 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 4: How can people find you, Jeremiah? 853 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 5: Look me up on Facebook, just my name Jeremiah Horseman. 854 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 5: And if you were looking for more whistleblowers. By the way, 855 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 5: so we have legal protection for more whistleblowers. So if 856 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 5: anybody finds me and sends me a message, don't say 857 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 5: a thing you can't say on messenger, of course, but 858 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 5: let me know. You want to talk to somebody who's secure, 859 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 5: and I can put you in touch with the lawyers 860 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 5: we have who will put you under protection. Second office 861 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 5: people with their own encounters here and so they don't 862 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 5: they're seeing I'm documenting them. I would love to hear 863 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 5: from you. My namesake j E R E M I 864 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 5: A H my last name H O R S T 865 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 5: M A N on Facebook. 866 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,479 Speaker 4: That works, man, That's a good place to find people, 867 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 4: all right. So you can find me on Twitter, on Instagram, 868 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,240 Speaker 4: at c I t V underscore Captain Ron Thetay connected 869 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 4: by checking out contact in the desert, Stay open minded, 870 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 4: interrational as we explore the unknown right here on the 871 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio and Coast to Code AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 872 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 873 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: a and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 874 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 875 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com