1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I wont for stuff. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: I never told you a prodiction if I heard you, 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: And welcome to another edition of Monday Mini. Today we 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: are talking about gambling addiction and gambling disorder, so content 5 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: warning for that. This has also been something we need 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: to come back to as a bigger episode. We've been 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: meaning to talk about. 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: This for a while. This is on our list. 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: This has been on our list. So this is just 10 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: a brief overview because I was thinking about it because 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: we had this huge power ball jackpot here in the US, 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: which is just about the only time I gamble. 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna lie any can I tell you? 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: So in this last month, I've spent probably about thirty 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: dollars in different lottery things and I've won ninety five. 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: Oh good for you. 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: So I'm like, do I keep playing? I'm having This 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: is how people get cooked, isn't it? Isn't it? 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, but that's pretty good. I feel like the 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: most I mean I did I also played the slots 21 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: Like by that, I mean like I'll bet twenty bucks 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: at most over several days in Vegas. 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 2: I'll never spend more than twenty at a time. If 24 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: that usually is ten, I cap at ten. 25 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I I have a cat. That's it's one 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: time I did win a thousand bucks. It's pretty sweet. 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: I made a sixty dollars five dollars profit. My partner 28 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: keeps laughing at maybe that rhetoric. 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's fair, it's fair. And also I pretty 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: pretty much just paid off my trip with the one 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, so it's not I didn't feel like I 32 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: actually won that much, even though I did. It was 33 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: very useful, but it kind of just went back into 34 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: the trip. But anyway, I have recently seen a huge 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: uptick in ads for things like DraftKings, and I have 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: to say, we get a lot of ad request for 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: these types of things. 38 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: True. 39 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: Also, my mom reminded me that we were moving into 40 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: football season. I totally forgot so football, fantasy football, big 41 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: vetting time. So yeah, we thought we would do a 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: quick rundown on gender differences in gambling. Though, yeah, we're 43 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: going to have to come back and do a full 44 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: episode because it involves a lot more than we're going 45 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: to get into today. Oh my goodness. All right, So 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: the APA defines gambling disorder like this gambling disorder is 47 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: categorized as a behavioral addiction characterized by recurrent and persistent 48 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: gambling behavior, which produces emotional distress and leads to economic, social, 49 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: and legal problems. Problem gambling or compulsive gambling can have 50 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: devastating ramifications, from homelessness to financial ruin, to domestic violence 51 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: to suicide, and yet for a long time, research has 52 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: ignored how this type of gambling might impact women. Public 53 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: perceptions have long painted men as the gamblers, and that 54 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: is slowly starting to change, and not always for the better, 55 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: as in, we're seeing we're getting the full, fuller picture, 56 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: and it's not pretty. A twenty thirteen study found that 57 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: problem gambling rates had doubled amongst those eighteen to twenty 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: five in the US, so about seven to eleven percent 59 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: of that age range. That same study found that men 60 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: were more likely to take risk and get themselves in 61 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: hot water when it came to gambling. They also found 62 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: it was related to things like substance abuse, masculinity, and machismo. 63 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: So it was sort of like, I'm hanging out with 64 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: my friends, I want to show that I'm not afraid 65 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: of this, and I'm going to bet of note we've 66 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about this before. Things like slot 67 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: machines are designed to be addictive, like they have done 68 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: their science about how it sets off these areas in 69 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: your brain. So that's a thing. However, recently the numbers 70 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: have shifted are been more studied, probably especially when it 71 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: comes to older women and gambling. A recent small study 72 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: highlighted childhood abuse, maladaptive coping strategies, family members, So family 73 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: members introducing you to gambling, and accessibility to discrete apps 74 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: or methods of gambling for the perceived drives or at 75 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: least what we're now seeing, because again it wasn't well studied. 76 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: Of women and gambling, studies from twenty eighteen indicate that 77 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: the starting aged gambling between genders is about the same 78 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: and that women are catching up to men when it 79 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: comes to gambling percentages. This study recounted a few other 80 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: gender differences. Women prefer things like bingo. The bingo is 81 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: the only thing that they outpace men in. 82 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: Huh, I've never thought of bingo as gambling, but I 83 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: guess it is. 84 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, slot machines. They prefer slot machines, while men prefer 85 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: things usually in person. Things like card games are sports betting, 86 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: while men see it as a way to win money 87 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: or socialize prove their manhood. Generally speaking, all this is 88 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: generally speaking, Women use it more often as maladaptive coping 89 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: or as a way to distract themselves or make themselves 90 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: feel better. Since gambling is stigmatized for women more so 91 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: than men at least, it also may keep them from 92 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: seeking treatment or even recognizing that they have a problem 93 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: at all. When women do seek help, they are less 94 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: likely to receive family support than men other than women 95 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: in their lives, and some of the quotes from this 96 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: study were damning, Like I was flown away by what 97 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: some of the participants said, Like some of them were saying, 98 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: it's just the truth that women are more responsible for 99 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: the home for children and more likely to be blamed, 100 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: more shamed than men, and less likely to be supported 101 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: by their male partner. So they like one woman was like, 102 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm expected to support him in everything if he has 103 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: a gambling problem. I had to support him when I 104 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: had something, he was not there for me and instead 105 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: was angry and ashamed of me. It was really bad. 106 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: And it's almost like by when I was reading this study, 107 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: it was almost like gambling was so male coded and 108 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: caregiving was so female coded that a woman with a 109 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: gambling problem is perceived as far worse on multiple scales 110 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: because she's letting down her family. Swedish numbers found that 111 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: women with compulsive gambling have increased and that they are 112 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: less likely to seek help than men. Recent numbers out 113 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: of Victoria, Australia indicate that about fifty one percent of 114 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: women gamble, compared to fifty six percent of men. A 115 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: separate Australian study found that women were also gambling regular early. 116 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: About twenty three percent reported gambling once a week. The 117 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: UK recently reported about a million women were at risk 118 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: for gambling disorder and clearly all of this is underreported 119 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: by the way. It's clear that this is stigmatized and 120 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: there are a few complications in reporting on this because 121 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: a UK another UK study found that when they removed 122 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: lotteries like the powerball for instance, No, that's not what 123 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: they have, but the percentage of women gamblers have Okay, yeah, 124 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,119 Speaker 1: So it's like hard to get down to the nitty 125 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: gritty of it of what's going on, but whatever it is, 126 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: companies have taken notice. They realized that they were neglecting 127 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: this demographic and they have stepped in. They have stepped in. 128 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: And one of the ways we're seeing a lack of 129 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: regulation does involve the ads, and several of the ads 130 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: these days do target women. DraftKings is no joke running 131 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: a tailor's themed ad with two women. FanDuel has one 132 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: that is outright, like, women are tired of never being 133 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: invited to play fantasy football, so if we should play. 134 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: Some companies back women's sports and International Women's Day. I 135 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: was reading today about how some of them like help 136 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: pay for public transit air in here stadiums, like they're 137 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: making moves. They're making moves, and several women reported the 138 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: ease of social gambling and technology, so they were saying 139 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: that now that it's easier and I can kind of 140 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: do it in private, that's one of the reasons that 141 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: they do it more often. And that they also said 142 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: the ads that they consumed as introducing them to gambling 143 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: was one of the reasons they got into it. Women 144 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: influencers on TikTok or Instagram have also been cited as 145 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:52,599 Speaker 1: promoting gambling easy payment methods, a variety of games, so 146 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: there's a huge variety that you can play. A few 147 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: Other studies also cited the rise in visibility in women's sports, 148 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: which I'm like, yeah, that's We're gonna have to unpack 149 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: a lot of that later. Yeah. There's also been recent 150 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: reporting on how women in sports are facing increasing abuse 151 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: online because of gambling and lost bets. Like several women 152 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: in sports have come out and said I'm getting harassed 153 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: online and a lot of it is about how someone 154 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: lost a bet. Here's a quote from the BBC. Flutter, 155 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: the gambling operator which runs Patty Power, said that twenty 156 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: four percent of all bets placed through its FANDUL brand 157 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: during the twenty twenty four Olympic Games in Paris we're 158 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: on women's events, with sixty percent of football bets placed 159 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: on women's matches and seventy nine percent of gymnastics bets 160 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: on women's events. And people bet on everything, They bet 161 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: on everything, and this industry just makes a ton of money. 162 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: We're talking billions of dollars. And this is a whole 163 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: thing were I said, We're going to have to come 164 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: back to it. 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