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Thank 19 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Shaun Walsh with me from 20 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: Daily mail dot com Sean. When I read about this, 21 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: all I could think about where the twins, you know, 22 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: the twins John, David and Lucy. There this very age, 23 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: just ten years old. This third grader, Fernando electrocuted in Houston, 24 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: pronounced dead after he climbed into a clothes dryer. Shaun 25 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: Walsh Daily Mail dot Com. You guys broke the story. 26 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: What happened, Nancy. This is one of those things that 27 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: is every parent's worst nightmare. As a parati of two 28 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: little boys, myself, you can't even imagine this happening. Ten 29 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: year old said Nando Hernandez Jr. Was playing hard and 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: sleek with friends at an East Houston apartment complex when 31 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: he climbed into the laundry room dryer. He was sounding 32 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: unconscious inside and they called for help. I just don't 33 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: understand how it happened. But of course I'm I guess 34 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm technologically challenged, Sean, because when I read the article 35 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: about the little girl, um, I think I read it 36 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: the Daily Me'll actually either they are a crime online. 37 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: Um that dropped the cell phone in the bathtub and 38 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: she was electrocuted. I couldn't believe it, And now I 39 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: don't understand how this happened. But one thing I do understand, 40 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: it's when I listened to this mother. Take a listen 41 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: to the mom, Christina. I don't know what happened. I 42 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: was just inside cooking in my little son keep inside 43 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: and told me my son was dead on the floor. 44 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: So I read outside and my boyfriend picked him up 45 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: and brought him into the house. He was purple, he 46 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: was sumic, eyes were opened and he was gone. I 47 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: don't know what happened. I should have been outside with him, 48 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: but I wasn't like a kid. I just put him. 49 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: I missed my baby. He was so he was he 50 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: was so friendly. Nobody, everybody loved him. He wasn't the 51 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: perfect child, but he loved everybody. He had her ups 52 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: and downs. It I just my side bag and just 53 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: fund him. How many how many kids you have? I 54 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: have fagets and he said one of them was working. 55 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: His little brother was the one with him and he's 56 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: the one that found the father who is nine guys. 57 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: I actually could not even listen to that. I went 58 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: in and out because the suffering and that mother's voice 59 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: was just overwhelming to me. Shawn watched with me, along 60 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: with Vincent Hill, private investigator Ashley Wilcot, Atlanta junital judge, 61 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: lawyer and founder of child crime watch dot com. Also 62 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: with me psychotherapist Lauren Howard. Sean Walsh, it's not you know, 63 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: we see so many stories, so many cases, and I've 64 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 1: prosecuted so many where the mom and or the dad 65 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: are just negligent. It's their fault that their child is dead. 66 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: There's really no other way to slice that. It's the 67 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: parents fault. In this case. The mom's at home. She's 68 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: at home to take care of the children. She's cooking 69 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: them a meal in the kitchen. She's not out clubbing, 70 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: she's not drunk, she's not out passed out on opioids 71 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 1: in the car. She's home taking care of her family. 72 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean, Sean, how many times have you and your 73 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: beautiful wife said, guys, go play. We're trying to make dinner. 74 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: Please come back in ten minutes. A million times I said, 75 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: go take a bath. When you come back, dinner'll be ready. 76 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: Hurry right right, right, man. I just can't stand even 77 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: hearing this mom. Sean, Absolutely, Nancy. It's tragic, like the 78 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: pain in the mother's voice, and I mean, this is 79 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: a mother doing what mothers do. She's in the kitchen, 80 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: she's cooking dinner, and she said her little son came 81 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: inside and told her that the other son was dead 82 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: on the floor. Now, the little boy that passed away, 83 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: he had three younger siblings. So this is a mother 84 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: who already has a lot on with four children, and 85 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: you get that horrific news as you're just trying to 86 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: cook your kids dinner that your son has died, and 87 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: she races in, Uh, there he is. He has passed away, 88 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: and there's nothing they can do. He was transported to 89 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: the local hospital and he was pronounced dead there. Nancy, 90 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: It's tragic. Can't even imagine. I mean, it's not like 91 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: this is top mom we're talking about. This was a 92 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: mom who was looking after her kids and was just 93 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: cooking them dinner. And the worst thing you can ever 94 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: imagine it? Could? You know? I don't like any expersions 95 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: cast on the mom. Ashley willcot with me, founder child 96 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: crime watch dot Com, a juvenile judge and lawyer. Ashley, 97 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: you have children just like me. The US Consumer Product 98 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: Safety Commission has issued a bulletin that's posts to several 99 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: suffocation deaths involving children who get inside those latch type 100 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: dryers and then they can't get out. That's not what 101 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: happened here. And I mean I don't expect a mother 102 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: with four children to have her eye on every child 103 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: at all times. This is not like other cases we've handled, Ashley, 104 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: where the mom is just sorry, you know, it's just 105 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: she's just like a cat. You give birth and then 106 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: you just leave and you hope they fend for themselves. 107 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: But it's not like that at all here. Yeah, that's 108 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: why it's such a tragic, tragic accident circumstance. And this 109 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: is why kids need to be kids. They're playing hide 110 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: and seek. Every kid plays hide and seek. The problem 111 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: is this leads to helicopter parenting. Right. Parents will automatically 112 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: say they can't do anything because this could happen to 113 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: my child. It could happen to any child, and that's horrific. 114 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: I really think. Well, this is going to come down 115 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: as a product's liability issue as to whether or not 116 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: the dryer was safe, miswired, etcetera. Well, but there's another 117 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: thing regarding that. If you want to go deaf, come 118 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: for on the law, Ashley Willcott say that the dryer malfunction, 119 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: this is a consumer product, and you start at the top, 120 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: suing the manufacturer, then the store that sold it to you. 121 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: If the wiring goes bad and you don't have a warning, 122 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: that's on them, not you. What should happen to you 123 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: if there's something wrong when you're drying it is just 124 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: simply not work. Okay, it shouldn't electricute your baby. And 125 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: as I don't think any way they're going to be 126 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: able to intimate this family was in any way possible. 127 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: But how do we think it actually happened? Sean was 128 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: joining me the star of dailymail dot Com. Sean, I 129 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: don't understand exactly how it happened. I mean, how does 130 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: getting in a dryer result in you being electrocuted? You know, Anthony? 131 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: It's interesting. They haven't given out the specific details yet 132 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: of how the child was electrocuted, but recently the U 133 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: s Consumer Product Safety Commission issued a bulletin in December 134 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: of last year about several suffocation deaths involving children who 135 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: have crawled into latch type dryers. So you know, when 136 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: you get in there, you close the door, the oxygen 137 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: leaves pretty quickly. But interestingly this is not the case 138 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: this time. They're saying the child has been electrocuted. I 139 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: know in my past as a journalist, I've seen stories 140 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: where there's some sort of faulty wiring inside the dryer 141 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: and people have touched things and had an electric shock. 142 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: So I'm imagining this is what occurred this time. Well, 143 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: you're right to point to that CPSC bulletin that was 144 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: about children suffocating, and that is exactly what authorities first 145 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: thought when little Fernando Junior was found dead after hiding 146 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: in the dryer. They thought exactly that happened. But that's 147 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: not what happened. Take a listen to an electrical technician, 148 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: Donald's shoddy. Listen to this. Some people don't repair their 149 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: dryer properly, like a door switch goes bad, and when 150 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: they opened the dryer, as long as the timers on 151 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: the machinery is going to stay running. So have you 152 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: ever heard of somebody actually getting electrocuted without there being 153 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: a fault in the dryer? No, I have. There's so 154 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: many safety features. It has to be something to do 155 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: with the wiring. Should always wear shoes when you're our 156 00:09:54,160 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: rubber sole shoes flip plops, whatever launsers rubber Back to 157 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: Sean wash on this Daily mail dot com. Sean what 158 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: about being in there with a belt with a belt buckle, 159 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: or something on a shoe or your your clothing that 160 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: may have metal in it. I mean, I still don't 161 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: understand it because it's a consumer product. I mean everybody. 162 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: I think at some point my son does it all 163 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: the time. He takes off his school uniform and throws 164 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: his pants in the wash with the belt on it. 165 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: Nobody's ever been electrocuted, Sean and Nancy. How many times 166 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: have you seen your kids and said, where did you 167 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: get that? And they'll have something in their hands that 168 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: you have no idea where they got it from. I mean, 169 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: think about it. The kids could have picked up a coin, 170 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: a magnet, anything like the range of possibilities of what 171 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: your kids could have had in their hands when he 172 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: went into the dryer. It may not just be the belt. 173 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: It could be anything, because kids pick things up and 174 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: play with things, and then they go and do things 175 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: that we told them not to do. So there's there's 176 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: any range of possibilities that could be employe here. Well. 177 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: The Harris County Institute of Forensic Science ruled Little Fernando's 178 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: death an accident caused by electrocution, and I'm curious about 179 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: how you look at a body and determine it was 180 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: electrocuted versus suffocated. A forensic investigator said he did not 181 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: immediately know more details of how they could determine that. Now, 182 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: these kind of deaths are not really tracked. But as 183 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: Shaun Wats just told us, the US Consumer Protection Safety Commission, 184 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: the CPSC justin out of safety alert saying it had 185 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: gotten many reports of suffocation deaths of children who got 186 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: into latch type appliances like freezers or dryers and they 187 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: couldn't get out. Now they may go to an appliance 188 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: or a chest appliance like a freezer, because it looks 189 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: like a good place to hide. Um, so far we 190 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: haven't found any warnings or or any advisories regarding electrocution. Now, 191 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: another thing we know is this correct? Sean, you would 192 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: know this was a communal laundry. Was it the laundry 193 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: at the apartment complex? Yes, it appears to be the 194 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: laundry at the apartment complex. And take a listen to 195 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: what Houston Police say they had. Approximately pm, we got 196 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: notified out here at twelve three Fleming Drive that a 197 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: ten year old juvenile mail was found unconscious in the 198 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: laundry room behind me, and Uh, the family came out 199 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: to provide CPR and had him transported to the Baybrook Hospital, 200 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: where he later was pronounced the ceased. UM. We're still 201 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: early in our investigation, speaking with multiple residents out here, 202 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: trying to determine what had happened inside of the laundry 203 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: room or if there were any witnesses to see anything 204 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: of foul play or anything like that. At this time, 205 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: it appears that it could be an accident due to 206 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: the fact that so the people that we've talked to 207 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: said the juveniles were playing like hide and seek, and 208 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: the juveniles were the ones who found him unresponsive inside 209 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: the laundry room. Uh. That's where we are right now 210 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: in our investigation. So as far as any kind of 211 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: trauma on the body at the hospital, the doctors did 212 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: not find any sort of physical trauma, any gunshot, wounds 213 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: or stabbings, nothing like that. Um. Like I said, the 214 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: autopsy tomorrow will reveal any further inside internal issues that 215 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: may have come up, So we're still waiting on that. 216 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: So it looks like maybe they were playing hide and 217 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: seek and maybe getting inside the dryers or watchers or something. Yeah, 218 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: the the boy was found inside one of the dryers 219 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: based on what most of the people out here we're 220 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: telling us, um and so, like I said, we are 221 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: taking evidence to try to find out what was the 222 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: cause of this juvenile's death. Back to Sean Wallace, were 223 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: Dailymail dot com And I'm going to Shawn a watch 224 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: because the Dailymail broke the story. Sean, I know this. 225 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: Of course, I'm not a medical exama, just a trial lawyer, 226 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: and I never prosecuted a case where a child was elexecuted. 227 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: But I do know this. When the body does not 228 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: reveal what happened, and you suspect elexecution, the way you 229 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: may be able to prove it is to go to 230 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: the source. Now, in low voltage electrocutions, you got to 231 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: look at the device as opposed to the body because 232 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: burns may not be present on the body. That's how 233 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,359 Speaker 1: you make that diagnosis. Now, if there are negative autopsy 234 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: findings such as no burns, you look at the device. 235 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: In high voltage electrocution victims tissue okay, uh shows burning. 236 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: We may also be able to find human tissue at 237 00:14:54,760 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: the point of the contact of the electrical jolt, maybe 238 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: a flash burn, some other kind of a blister of sort. 239 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes they're called crocodile burns. But apparently, Sean, we're not 240 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: learning anything from the boy's body, No, nothing yet. I 241 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: mean they're still out on on on on the exact 242 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: details of how this occurred. I mean, so if you're 243 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: thinking about this from the mother's perspective and the family specific, 244 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: you're left with no answers at the moment, and this 245 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: must be the worst possible scenario that you can find 246 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: yourselves in. I also know this, and I know this 247 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: from suffocation cases. You have particular hemorrhaging. Those are the tiny, 248 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: tiny blood vessels in your eyes, and particular blood hemorrhages 249 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: are usually invisible to the naked eye, but you can 250 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: see them under a microscope during autopsy. In electrocutions, it's 251 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: my belief that there will be a trail, a trail 252 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: particular images small blood vessel here ridges, basically in the 253 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: order of the flow of the current as it goes 254 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: through your body. This may be a case where they 255 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: have to rule out all other causes, and my process 256 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: of elimination determined this. Sean. You told us Sean walshed 257 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: with me from daily mail dot com that this was 258 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: the laundry at the apartment complex. And I remember growing 259 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: up we didn't have a working washer and dryer, and 260 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: we would go to the laundry mat, And that is 261 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: a whole another layer of issues with a commercial laundry 262 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: mat or the communal laundry mat. Did somebody tamper with 263 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: the elect with the dryer? I doubt it. That also 264 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: means it's a different kind of dryer because it's a 265 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: commercial dryer. It's meant for consumers, which means it should 266 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: have all the safeguards on it. So the apartment complex, 267 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: the manufacturer, or whoever sold it to them, everybody is 268 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: at fault here. Would you agree with that, Sean Nancy? 269 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: I would. I mean, this is going to open up 270 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: an a huge kind of worms. So your parents, you're 271 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: going to want justice for your child. And I think 272 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people now that are 273 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: going to have to answer a lot of very important 274 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: questions to work out how this accord, how how this occurred, 275 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: and for the blame to be laid properly so the 276 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: parents can see justice. Mum. And by the time the 277 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: mom got there, Lauren Harard with me psychotherapist joining us 278 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: from Manhattan by the time the mom got to the 279 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: little boy, he was already dead. They tried CPR everything 280 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: that they're scaring. The emotional scoring that's going to leave 281 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: on the mom. It's not her fault, but she's going 282 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: to feel like it's her fault. Well, you know this 283 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: from being a mother, Nancy. No matter what happens to 284 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: your kid, you always feel responsible. And the fact is 285 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: you cannot protect your children from everything. How could this 286 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: child have been protected from this? Um? I guess we 287 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: all now have a wake up call. One of our instructions. 288 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere with strangers, don't cross the street alone, 289 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: don't go into a closed contained space, even if you're 290 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: playing hide and seek with your friends. Right, but this, 291 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 1: this could have happened really, I mean, it's it's so random. 292 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: There's no question that if if in fact, there was 293 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: no Malfie in seasons and this was an electrical issue 294 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: in a laundry room in a building, you know, did 295 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: they maintain their machines? What you know? Did he have met? 296 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean there is the questions are or just they 297 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: go on forever. But from the mother's point of view, 298 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: no matter what other feels responsible, that's it. I think 299 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: you're right, So Sean, where does the case stand right now? 300 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: Investigations continue and we're waiting on more updates. A little boy, 301 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: a tenure old little boy in Houston, Fernando Jr. His dad, 302 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: his mother distraught right now as we wait for his burial. 303 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: Our prayers are with Fernando and his family. 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First of all, take a listen to what 331 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: the teacher's husband says the Nicole. I know we'll never 332 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: do this. Uh. When the truth comes out, and it 333 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: will come out one way or the other. I believe 334 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: justice will be served. And if the allegations are true, 335 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: I guess my wife, then I will support him as 336 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: much as possible. Okay, this is your wife right now, 337 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: joining me from the Hattiesburg Police Department. Police spokesperson Ryan Moore. 338 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: Mr Moore, thank you so much for being with us. 339 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: We understand this team student and I'm not going to 340 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: ask you to comment on the student. I know that 341 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: that would impease your investigation. Was he actually in one 342 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: Nicole Jackson's classes that we know that's actually part of 343 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: the investigation. We just know who did Forest County School, 344 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: which was ul Travillion Attendance Center. Um. However, she did 345 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: resign from that recently, which was prior to her turning 346 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: herself into authorities on Tuesday, April. And now she turned 347 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: herself in, but she's on the run right now. There 348 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: is a bolow beyond the lookout for a boy student 349 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: Oscar O'Neill believed to be with teacher Nicole Jackson, thirty 350 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: years old, a former school teacher. She was already out 351 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: on ten thousand dollars bond for sex battery in a 352 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: position of trust or authority. We believe they are in 353 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: a dark blue Chevy Impala plate number f Frank R 354 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: Ralph A Apple for fifty four f R A forty 355 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: fifty four. Ryan Moore with me from the Hattisburg Police Department. Amazingly, 356 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: this is more common and more common every single day, 357 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: Ryan Moore, which way do you think they're headed. Actually, 358 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: as far as which way they're headed, we really don't 359 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: have a location on map. That is one of the 360 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: reasons that we put out the bolo UM. We reached 361 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: out into anything as far as cry and stoppers that 362 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: if anybody could give us any tips, even just on 363 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: the vehicle, even a license plate hit um. We've had 364 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: a couple of phone calls that have come in trying 365 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: to get folks that have given us tips saying that 366 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: they possibly spot at the vehicle or things like that, 367 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: but so far we don't have anything that's confirmed, especially 368 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: in our immediate area. The tip line that Moore is 369 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: referring to six zero one five four five repeat six 370 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: o one five four five two. Sean Walsh with Daily 371 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: Mail dot Com, Shaan, let's start at the beginning. What 372 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: do we know. Look, this is a very interesting case, 373 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: Nancy and every every parent around me. I don't find 374 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: it interesting. I find it freaky and criminal, like looking 375 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: at a tarantula in a glass box. I don't want 376 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: to let it out. I don't want it running loose 377 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: in my house. Okay, yeah, I agree. Couldn't agree more. 378 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: As a parent of two little boys, I would not 379 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: be happy if this was happening to my child or 380 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: any one of my children, and I'd be making a 381 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,959 Speaker 1: massive scene about it. But police have launched a desperate 382 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: search for this high school student and his teacher, who 383 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: are believed to have run off with one another. Copson 384 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 1: had a spoken Asissippi issued the alert on Monday seeking 385 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: teaching Icole Jackson, who is thirty, who is currently free 386 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: on ten thousand dollars bail because she face charges a 387 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: sexual battery in a position of trust and this involves 388 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: student Oscar O'Neill. Guys, this is just a boy, a 389 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: little boy with a thirty year old woman, a married 390 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: woman who is a teacher, and not only that has 391 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: taken the boy on the run. This could go sideways 392 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: in so many different directions. Take a listen to what 393 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: the boy's mother says, Oscar, if you're looking at us, 394 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: if you're seeing us on TV, if you will, would 395 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: you please come home? Please please just come to the 396 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: You're killing your mom and your dad, you know, can 397 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: you even imagine your children being gone just like that, 398 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: and with the teacher having sex with your child. Vincent Hill, private, 399 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: an investigator, helped me out which way do we look? 400 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: It's like a needle in a haystack. It reminds me 401 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: of that freaky dude teacher Tad Cummings that ended up 402 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: all the way out in the Pacific Northwest in a 403 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: commune having sex all day and night with the little 404 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: girls student he took off with. Uh At the roles 405 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: are reversed here. It's a female teacher. So Vincent needla 406 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: in a haystack? Where do we go? Yeah, Nancy, I 407 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,479 Speaker 1: think what we need to do. Hopefully you know, her 408 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: cell phone is not turned off. You know she's smart, 409 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: it is, but at least try to pick the cell phone. 410 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: The bolos already out. I would definitely enter that car 411 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: in two in c I C. So if it's spotted 412 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: in any other state and police run that tag, that 413 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: hit would pop up. Definitely send flowers to local hotels, 414 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: get their picture out there. I know Jackson is not 415 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: too far from Hattiesburg. Jackson is another major city there 416 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: in Mississippi, so they could be bunkered down there. We 417 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: don't know, but you know, we definitely got to get 418 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: the word out. Enter that car and in c I 419 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: see so when lawn floor enforcement sees it, they run 420 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: that tag, that hit comes up. You know, I'm looking 421 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: at her as she will caught with me found her 422 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: child Crime watch dot Com Atlanta juvenal judge and lawyer. Actually, 423 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: when you look at the woman, she's very pretty. She 424 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: looks really pale, like her face is chiseled out of marble, 425 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: long brunette hair. Even without makeup, she looks pretty perfect. 426 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: And it makes me wonder why this gorgeous, educated woman 427 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: would fall for or seek out. You don't fall for 428 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: a child that's a predator, that is a predator. You 429 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: don't fall for little boy. Okay, the thought of wake 430 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: up and Ashley, you have a boy about this age, 431 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: how do you feel like you've got a letter on 432 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: his bed that says, Mom, I'm in love with my teacher. 433 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: We're gone. That makes me want to throw up. This 434 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: case makes me, yeah, angry. Right, So this is a 435 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: sexual predator. A lot of sexual predators are beautiful, intelligent, educated. Statistically, 436 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: one out of every four children is sexually abused. This 437 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: is sexual abuse. To hear the husband say well, this 438 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: is out of character, this is not like her. The 439 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: truth will come out. This is the truth. She was 440 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: a predator. She sought him out, She chose to have 441 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: a relationship with a sixteen year old and take off. 442 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: She's a criminal. This is a little boy and his 443 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: teacher has taken him on the run. Take a listen 444 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: to the mom and dad describing how their son left 445 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: a letter behind the bid and now you know, saying 446 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: he was leaving and moving off her. When I opened 447 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: the door, I found it on his beach, surrounded with 448 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: his pizza. He put out of pictures of him and 449 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: his day, and he wrote a good loud on me. 450 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: He was telling that he loves us. We raised him light. 451 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: It was nothing we did. It was his decision. It 452 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: was his decision. They go on to say, why would 453 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: she choose our child. I feel like her child was 454 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: a target. She robbed him from being a youth and 455 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: a child. I mean, Sean Walsh Daily Mill dot com 456 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: friend and colleague. When I was this age, I wasn't 457 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: really sure where babies even came from, and I was 458 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: pretty sure Santa really did still exist. I was still 459 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: riding my bike in the neighborhood for PiZZ. Say it's extraordinary. 460 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 1: I mean, it's completely unacceptable, and she's abused her position 461 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: of trust as a teacher. And I don't care if 462 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: she had resigned or not. This is completely inappropriate, and 463 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure the police are doing everything they can to 464 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: bring this lady. Well, whoa wait a minute, did I 465 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: just hear Sean Walsh of deal email dot com say 466 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: it's completely inappropriate? Is that what you This is the crime, Sean? 467 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: You do twenty two lay for this? Uh? This is 468 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: called statutory rate in most jurisdictions. Hello, inappropriate. Inappropriate is 469 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: when you burp at the dinner table and when you're 470 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: at somebody else's house. That's inappropriate, Okay. Inappropriate when you 471 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: wash your hands in somebody's guest bathroom and you leave 472 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: all the towels, the guest towels, which are beautiful in 473 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: a big mass and all crumpled up in twist, that's inappropriate. Okay, 474 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: this is not inappropriate, Sean Walsh. I would argue Nancy 475 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: that it is. It's completely inappropriate, and she needs to 476 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: face the when she needs to be. She needs to 477 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: face the charges that she will be charged with, and 478 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: she will be no doubt tried, and then she can 479 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: be dealt with with the firmest hand of the law. 480 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: I think that's pletely fair. But I mean, I think 481 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: what gets sivil with these cases? You know. Are you stuttering? 482 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: Are you stammering? You're stuttering because you know she needs 483 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: to be in jail. She's blue. She needs to be 484 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: doing other people's laundry and the ladies the big dollhouse 485 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: right now. Well, look here's the thing. She probably shouldn't 486 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: have been released on bail. She should have. She should 487 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: have been kept in jail, as we can see now, 488 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,719 Speaker 1: because okay, you know what, that's a whole another can 489 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: of worms. And you're absolutely right as she will cite. 490 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: You're the lawyer, you're the juvenile judge. She's charged with 491 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: sexual battery in a position of trust and authority. Why 492 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: is she on ten thousand dollars bond? You know what 493 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: that means. She paid a thousand dollars and walked free 494 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: a thousand dollars on a sex battery. I guarantee you 495 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: if this was some growdy old man, he'd be behind 496 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: bars right now. He would not have gotten a bond, 497 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: but she did because she's all young and attractive and educated. 498 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: You took the words right out on my First of all, 499 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: as a judge, it frustrates me to death that you 500 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: have a sexual predator who gets out like you said, 501 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: on ten thousand dollar bail, which means she does post 502 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: a thousand and she's out. Most people can scrape up 503 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: a thousand dollars, even if they have been to big 504 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: borrow and steel to get out of jail. Second, you're 505 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: right if this was a man, are you kidding? Katie 506 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: bar the doors hanging from the rooftops, and we're not 507 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: gonna let him out of jail. Yet here she walks 508 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: out of jail. They knew she was a risk, she 509 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: was a known risk, particularly to this particular child, and 510 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: yet she was able to walk out and run off 511 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: with him. This is what we believe. We believe that 512 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: Nicole Jackson the purp, the alleged purp in this case, 513 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: and her husband, Isaiah I've been married for four years, 514 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: and that they have two children together. Hello, what about that? 515 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: I can't even Sean Walsh dailymail dot com. So you 516 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: risk losing your husband, half of your money if you 517 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: have any, and your children to be with a boy, 518 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: a teen boy that was what in your science class? Really, Well, 519 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: the only thing she's going to gain out of this 520 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: when they eventually arrest her is a free accommodation for 521 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: the rest of her life. Ye as I say, three 522 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: hearts in a cot. That's what she's looking at. Take 523 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: a listen, Take a listen to what the boy, the 524 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: little boy's father says. I think my son did all 525 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: this out of love. He he to me he didn't 526 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: feel in love with this lady, you know, this man 527 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: of wife, and h ain't nothing done. You know. I 528 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: was just like I was saying, I just wanted about home. 529 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: He feels like he love and I know he's not 530 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: in love. Child all night? Why would you too with 531 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: my child? You know? I feel like my child was 532 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: a target she robbed from all it being the youth 533 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: as a child. I know he ran out with a 534 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: school teacher that's been teaching them. You know she did 535 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 1: with all this a thought that she would have been 536 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: in one, you know, looking out to my child at 537 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: the school and teaching them and not going with me. 538 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't really know much to say, but just bro, 539 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: I want justice, you know, and I want myself at on. 540 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean Sean Walsh, Listen, the other day I sent 541 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: the children to school with their snacks and it included 542 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: rich crackers and little squares of cheese. Well, John David, 543 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: who is a big horse, Okay, Uh, he's bigger than me. 544 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: He was eating his cheese literally one minute after snack 545 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: time he got a strike, which I don't know that 546 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: it really means anything. I think it just scares them. 547 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: I of course threatened to slash the teacher's chod tires. 548 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: The children taught me down, and John David was a 549 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: mama'll never eat a snack in class aget pleased on 550 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: slashes tired. But can you imagine? I mean, first of all, 551 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: you have got this is a public school. Okay, we're 552 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: trying to encourage a higher graduation rate. We're trying to 553 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: encourage children to grow up and go on to college 554 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: and rise up as best as they can out of 555 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: what are sometimes bad circumstances to succeed in life. And 556 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: now in walks this teacher in love. A little boy 557 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: can't be in love. It doesn't even know what love is. 558 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: It's obscene, it truly is, and it's absurd. I just 559 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: I can't believe. Then the parents are right. They're saying 560 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: she targeted him. Um, she thought this was forbidden love, 561 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: but he was a target. Um. And then he left 562 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: this letter on the bed to the mom and dad, 563 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: saying that you've done a great job, but I'm in love. 564 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I mean, this is just absurd. This is 565 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: a teacher thirty years of age who has emotionally manipulated 566 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: a sixteen year old child. So let's forget a sixteen 567 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: year old child. This is on an adult. He cannot drink, 568 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: he cannot vote, he cannot join the army and run 569 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: off with him. And so the police sound like they're 570 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: on the case and they need to bring this lady 571 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: to justice. I don't know that. I call her a 572 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: lady politely to Ryan Moore joining us, the police spokesperson 573 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: with the Hattiesburg Police Department, Ryan, Um, did the boy 574 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: have a cell phone or did the perup, the alleged 575 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: perp have a cell phone with them? Does their car 576 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: have any type of tracking device? Have we checked at 577 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: their A, T M S or credit cards have been 578 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: used in any way? Yeah, we're going through the process 579 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: of all that in the investigation. And then also we 580 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: put that tag number out and you know, we have 581 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: that going through tag readers and everything else. And if 582 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: they get to hit somewhere, our agency will be notified. Hey, 583 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: Mr Moore with me. Ryan Moore from Hattiesburg Police explain 584 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: what a tag reader is. Um. The tag reader is 585 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: just a device that is set up in a variety 586 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: of locations and it basically can monitor traffic. UM. Some 587 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: of those individuals have them on actual cars. Various counties 588 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: and cities throughout the United States have those. And basically, 589 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: if there's a car that a bolow has been put 590 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: out for a tag number, whether it be a stolen 591 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: vehicle or a suspect in any type of prime passes 592 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: through that area and hits on that tag reader, it 593 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: can notify those agencies and that information can be passed. 594 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: It's hill private investigator with me Vincent former cop Vincent UM. 595 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: The tag readers are those the the things you see 596 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: on the side of the for instance, interstate It's like 597 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 1: a pole. This may be for to forti five feet 598 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: tall and it's got some more rectangular they look like 599 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: solar panels, but their little rectangular things on the edge 600 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: of on the top of them. Is that a tag reader? Yeah, Nancy, 601 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: that's one variation. But as Ryan said, some patrol cars 602 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: to actually have those on the side of their vehicles, 603 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: so it goes directly to their UH police computer automatically, 604 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: so you have a quicker response. Time and another thing 605 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill. Of course they're looking at tolls with cameras. 606 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: But one thing I would be looking at, in addition 607 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: to motels and hotels would be have they contacted anyone 608 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: such as have they has he called any of his friends? 609 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: Have they texted? Have they emailed? I would be looking 610 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: at that. And if they do send an email. Can 611 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: you identify I don't think you can where in the 612 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: country it's coming from. You can only really identify the 613 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: IP address. Well, you may be able to identify the 614 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: I P. But the thing with that you can always 615 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: use the proxy and trigger to make it look like 616 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: you're in Florida, but you may still be in Mississippi. 617 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: But come on, they're not that sophisticated. He's a little boy. 618 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 1: He's a little boy. But you know, kids sixteen, seventeen 619 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: years old. My son just turned seventeen. You'll be amazed 620 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: what they can do with computers. They know a lot 621 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: of stuff. You know what you're eight. John David is 622 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: like a little monkey. He runs in the house. He 623 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: grabs all the remotes and the iPads and this and 624 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: that that, including my phone, and runs off. He programs 625 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: everything in the house. You're right. He's incredible when it 626 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: comes to anything UM computer related, Internet related. So you 627 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: know what, You're absolutely right, Vincent hild I stand corrected. 628 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: Ryan Moore with me from the Hattsburg Police. What is 629 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: the tip line? Ryan? You can call locally here, that 630 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: would be the Metro Crime Stoppers number at six O 631 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: one five eight to stop UM. You can contact us 632 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: on social media. We have a Hattiesburg Police Department official 633 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: Facebook page. We are checking those again, it's not monitor 634 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. But you can also go through our 635 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: crime Stoppers again that number six O one five eight 636 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: to stop with any information. I just don't want it 637 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: to go sideways and end up in some kind of 638 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,479 Speaker 1: a weird hostage standoff situation or anything happened while they're 639 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: on the run and worse than it already has. Ryan 640 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: Sean Vincent Ashley. The search is on. A mother claims 641 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: her two children are dead after she leaves him in 642 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: a car on the n degree day to quote, keep 643 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: to quote, teach them a lesson while mommy Cynthia Marie 644 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: Randolph lays up on the sofa smoking weed and watching 645 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: Keeping Up with the Kardashians. What Sean's Daily Mail dot 646 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: Com what will her new life will be called keeping 647 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: up with the convicts, because this North Texas mother has 648 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: now been sentenced to to prison two twenty year prison 649 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: terms that she'll be serving simultaneously. She thought she could 650 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: teach her children a lesson by locking them into the 651 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: locking them in the car. Well, as you would I 652 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: both know on a hot day, this does not work 653 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: out well. And she killed her children. And they were 654 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,760 Speaker 1: so tiny, Shaunwalsh. One was one year old a boy 655 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: and the two year old little girl in May and 656 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: they had just gotten home in their Honda Cross Tour 657 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,879 Speaker 1: and the children didn't want to go out of the car. 658 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: Do you know how many times we drive home from 659 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,439 Speaker 1: school and the twins want to sit in the car 660 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: and finished snacks and taught. And they even sometimes sit 661 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: in the car in our beat up minivan and do 662 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: their homework. They get all cozy and slung up in 663 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: there and they don't want to get out, Like I look, 664 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm looking today at the temperature in Texas. In Houston, 665 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: it's gonna be eight eight degrees in the next hour. 666 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: It will go up. By tonight it's gonna be almost ninety. 667 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,879 Speaker 1: And she left a one and a two year old 668 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: in a hot car. I don't leave them in there. 669 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: I sit there with him in the car. Just go 670 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: in and work, kick back and have a G and T. No, 671 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,439 Speaker 1: that's not happening. I know, but no, no, what parent 672 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: does this? I'm sorry, but as she Wilcott, you're the 673 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: juvenile advocate, founder of child crime watch dot com. A 674 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: one and a two year old strapped in their car. 675 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: What an idiot mother. I'm sorry. She should never have 676 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: been allowed to have children because she murdered him. That's 677 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: what she did. You don't freaking leave your kids in 678 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 1: a car. And then I love this defense of Oh, 679 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: I was trying to teach them a lesson there one 680 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: and two. Like you said, Nancy, you don't teach one 681 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: and two year olds lessons. You still have to parent. 682 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: You don't get to neglect. You don't get to leave 683 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: them somewhere unsupervised. You have to parent them. And what 684 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: a person goes through, Vincent Hill, private investigator, when they 685 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: die of heat stroke, it's horrible suffering. As mommy lays 686 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: up smoking weed watching Kim Kardashian, Nancy, I gotta tell you, 687 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: when I was on patrol in Nashville, I had to 688 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: take one of those calls where a two year old 689 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: had died inside of a hot vehicle. In the sight 690 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: of that well, literally never leave my head. And ironically, 691 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 1: my son went to the same daycare and we pulled 692 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 1: him out the very next day because it was actually 693 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: the owner of the daycare who left her child in 694 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: the car and it was nine degrees that day. So 695 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: that's something trust me, no one wants to see. So 696 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: I can't imagine those officers that even showed up to 697 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: the scene. And isn't it true, Shawn watsh when she 698 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: called nine one one, she lied, uh this letter. This 699 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: woman couldn't lie straight in bed, Nancy. I mean the 700 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: stories change. She conducted interviews being the poor mom who 701 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: was the victim, and everything was a twisted, distorted attempt 702 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: at the truth to ensure she didn't face punishment. Now 703 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: to Alan, the do you do you joining us from 704 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,800 Speaker 1: l A. What have you found out about the case? Allen? Nancy, 705 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: We've been following this story from the beginning and we 706 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,280 Speaker 1: were reporting this as the mom saying that the kids 707 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: while she was folding laundry were playing on the porch 708 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: and she eventually realized they weren't there. She went and 709 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 1: that they had let themselves into this car, that they 710 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: had opened the doors, gotten in the car and shut 711 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: the doors. I tested that out with my young grandkids. 712 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 1: You can't do that at that age. But her story 713 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: did change. She went into the UH to the detective's 714 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: interrogation room for thirteen hours. Finally, at the end she 715 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: admitted that she had knew that they were in there 716 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,760 Speaker 1: to quote teach them a lesson. She went back inside 717 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: the cops say, smoking marijuana, taking a nap for two 718 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: or three hours. And as you say, watching TV. Now, 719 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: I don't know about anybody on this panel right now, 720 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: especially you Alan de because you are the one with 721 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: the pony jo. But I don't know why everybody is 722 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: in a rush to legalize marijuana. I don't get it. 723 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: Car crash's fatalities are up, up, up in all of 724 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: those states. I've been in touch with medical examiners in 725 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: those states and they say it is inside pan the 726 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:06,760 Speaker 1: number of deaths that have now been linked to smoking pot. 727 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: And here she thinks it's okay to go in and 728 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: crash high on weed, watching keeping out with the Kardashians, 729 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: I mean, Shaan Walsh. Of course, voluntary use of drugs 730 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: or alcohol is not a defense. No, it's not. And 731 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: I think that this is just one of those horrendous 732 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: cases where, um, I don't think any jail time is enough. 733 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: A one and a two year old baby, their babies, Nancy, 734 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: their babies. And here's another thing that goes toward intent, 735 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott when she first made up that line that 736 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: Alan Duke told us about about her doing laundry or 737 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: something and they were gone, she also tried to set 738 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 1: it up to look like an accident by smashing in 739 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 1: the car window to make it look like she was 740 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: trying to save them. Oh, oh, no, she put them 741 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, she did put them in there, and she, 742 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: I think used that as her child care. I'm gonna 743 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: leave them in there, go do what I want. I 744 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: don't care what happens to him. And look what happened 745 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 1: to them. They die a two hour nap. Okay. Sean 746 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: Walsh was the latest what's happening to Mom of the Year? 747 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: Mom of the Year is now going to be a 748 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 1: guest of the local penitentiary for the next twenty years, 749 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: and some may argue that that's not enough. Oh I 750 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,280 Speaker 1: can hope is that she gets to do that laundry 751 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: finally in a nice hot room. Maybe it will make 752 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 1: her think back on her children in that car that 753 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: died of heat stroke and excruciating death. Nancy Grace Crime 754 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 1: Stories signing off goodbye friend,