1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to you Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, I'm welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Josh Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant. And I would 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: say it's stuff you should know, but it's not because 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: I haven't said Jerry, and now I did, So this 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: is stuffer. Yes, are people going crazy yet? I don't know. 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: There's probably some people who started going crazy in the 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: moment they hit play. Yeah, that's Chuck's version of the hum. Yeah, 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: capital T, capital H. Yeah. So the home you just 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: did it makes sense. It's a hum. But apparently, like 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: if you'd listened, I don't. I wonder if you can 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: hear the same thing I'm hearing because you're hearing it 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: in your head. But there's like a gravelly quality to it, 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: the vocal fry. Okay, if you want to call it that, 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: I say gravel, but it's not. It wasn't constant. The 16 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: gravelly thing gave it texture and it was kind of 17 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: broken up a little bit. That is more akin to 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: the hum than the unbroken part that was going throughout. Yeah. 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: So apparently, while this is called the hum, and we 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: should eventually explain what we're talking about, it's not the 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: classical definition of a hum that people here, right, It's 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: not it's it's it's like a diesel truck idling engine 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: idling is with a classic description of it. Yeah, the um. 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: That term vocal fry is one of those you ever 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: hear or learn of a new expression or a thing 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: and they've never heard of and then you see it 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: everywhere that is called the bottom mine huff phenomenon. And 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: that's happening to me with vocal fry. Where did you 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: hear that? I can't remember where I initially heard it, 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: But it's a thing now that they say um, like 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian is who they always blame. It's a vocal 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: affectation that's supposedly young women are using now where they 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: go into a that lower tone um, that grably tone 34 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: on certain like the ends of sentences. You I know you. 35 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: I heard that too, and it supposedly keeps them from 36 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: being promoted at work or something. Yeah. Yeah, And it's 37 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: the female equivalent of the guys who speak up yeah, 38 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: or all the valley girl thing, which is up speak, 39 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: like the valley girls talking like that. But now it's um. 40 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: You know, he was a nice guy. But I really 41 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: wasn't sure what his motivation was. Oh, okay, yeah, that's 42 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: a great interesting that's because it was dead on. Yeah, 43 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: I totally got that you had pigtails just now. Yeah. 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: I was talking Emily about it the other day. She 45 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: was like, do I do that? It's like, now, you 46 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: don't do that? No, you don't. I just did that, 47 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: didn't I a little bit? But you you were doing 48 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: a different voice, So it makes sense. Yeah, anyway, I 49 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: can't escape it now. It's like every other day since 50 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: i've heard it, I've seen something about vocal frying. And 51 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: if you notice people with vocal frymore all the time, Okay, yeah, 52 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: it's annoying. Like what you're describing now has really nothing 53 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: to do with the hump, but it actually does have 54 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: a lot in common with the hum in that kind 55 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: of People who hear the hum um tended to be 56 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: able to focus in on it more and more easily 57 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: the more that they're exposed to it, which is the 58 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: opposite of what should happen to a noise that really 59 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: is inconsequential in the environment. That's right. So what we're 60 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: talking about here, Chuck, is the hum with a capital H. 61 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: That's right, what what is it? Well, it is um. 62 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: It is a sound, a mysterious sound that is heard 63 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: in places around the world by about two per cent 64 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: of the local population. Um. It is a low frequent 65 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: and we're going to get into the frequencies and all that, 66 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: but let's just call it a low frequency rumbling right now. 67 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: It's a drone. It's a vibration described sometimes as it 68 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: sounds like it's coming from nowhere or inside my own head. Um. 69 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: And it is. There are places all around the world where, 70 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: like I said, a very small population of people experience 71 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: this hum. And depending on where you are, they will 72 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: name it that home like the Auckland hume, the wings 73 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: are hum, the Bristol hume. Yeah, the Talos hum and um. 74 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: It's been described, you know, going back to the eighteen hundreds. 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: People have talked about it in literature, but really in 76 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, sixties and seventies in the modern world 77 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: is when people have started describing hearing this thing that 78 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: drives them batty basically, and one of the ways that 79 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: it drives them batties. They'll say do you hear that? 80 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: And everyone else in the room will say no. The 81 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: people's yeah, and they'll be like, how do you what 82 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: do you mean you don't hear that, and everybody else 83 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 1: in the room goes, okay, right, maybe you're a little wacky. 84 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: It is generally at night. It's worse at night, for sure, 85 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: and generally in more rural areas. Um, which makes sense 86 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: because it's not as much noise pollution, I think. Yeah. Um. 87 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: It also is tends to be worse indoors, so at night, 88 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: which is a little weird. Indoors means that you don't 89 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: get much sleep because this is something that you can't 90 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,559 Speaker 1: not focus on. People who suffer from the hume tend 91 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: to say that it dominates the soundscape. It's not something 92 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: they can just tune out. It's not something that they're 93 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: getting used to. And again, the more the more they're 94 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: exposed to it, the easier they say it is to 95 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: tune into it, and I guess become cognizant of it 96 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: yet again, so imagine about it. Yeah, and imagine being 97 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: plagued by a sound that does this to you and 98 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: that everyone else says is not real because they don't 99 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: hear it. Yeah, and it it's been I mean, we'll 100 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: get into the reasons that it maybe or may not 101 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: be happening, but it's been uh pass off as mass 102 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: hysteria UM or mass dellusion UM from everything from that 103 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: to like government conspiracy to uh legitimate legitimate noise, whether 104 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: or not it's acoustic or electromagnetic. And that's part of 105 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: the problem is is there one hum? There are lots 106 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: of harms. Is there no harm? You know, your your 107 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: skeptics will say there is no harm. It's tenatus or 108 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: it's something like that UM or some other inner ear 109 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: noise like odo acoustic noise UM. So who knows, but 110 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: that's there. There are two ways that the hum. Okay, 111 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: so again, let's let's restate this and let's put ourselves 112 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: in the position of the outsider, because I don't experience them. 113 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: So I am anced. I don't either knock on wood 114 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: because the more I researched it some more I'm like, 115 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: oh God, I hope I never do well. We we 116 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: left out one um, one quality of it that that 117 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: is common around the world. And when we say around 118 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: the world, it tends to be curiously concentrated in the 119 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: West um and in the euro I didn't notice that 120 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: euro ancestry West. Yeah, I didn't really see anything about 121 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: any countries in the East. If you look at UM, 122 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: if you look at there is a guy who runs 123 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: a m Glenn McPherson. Yes, Glenn McPherson runs something called 124 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: the World HUM Map and Database. And we ran into 125 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,119 Speaker 1: Glen mic Ferson. Before we get too far, we should 126 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: give a huge shout out to Jared Keller over at 127 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: Mike who wrote this amazing article called a mysterious sound 128 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: is driving people insane and nobody knows what's causing it. 129 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: Totally worth reading UM. And he talks about a guy 130 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: named Glenn McPherson who's a professor in UH British Columbia, 131 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: and he set up a website called the World HUM 132 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: Map and Database. And so anybody who hears the HUM 133 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: can go and fill out a questionnaire and then it 134 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: takes that data and puts a dot on the map, 135 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: and you can hover over the dot and get the data. Right. 136 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: If you look at it, it's just the United States, 137 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: Great Britain, your Western Europe, Canada, South Africa. It's pretty 138 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: it's it's unusual that there's nothing in Africa except South Africa. UM. 139 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: And it's just in these European ancestry Western countries. Right. 140 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: On the one hand, you could say, well, that's because 141 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: this is an English language database, thanks, and so of 142 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: course somebody whose native languages like Swahili isn't gonna go 143 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: onto this. I have no idea what I'm typing here, 144 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's one explanation. There are 145 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: other explanations too, and now we arrive at one of them. 146 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: We're going back on the outside because you don't hear 147 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: the hump. I don't hear the hump. And let's say 148 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: that we're your nose and throat guys, and somebody comes 149 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: to us and says, I'm going crazy, like I'm seriously 150 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: contemplating suicide because this hum is keeping me up at night. 151 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: I haven't slept at weeks. I'm irritable, I have headaches, 152 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: nose bleeds, I'm nauseated all the time. These are all 153 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: common symptoms of HUM sufferers. You're you're gonna think one 154 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: of two things as a doctor a physician. One is tonitus, yeah, 155 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: and then the other one is you're crazy that you're 156 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: you're driving yourself crazy. Um. Both of them can kind 157 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: of be explained away, and they are explained away by 158 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: this guy named David Demming, and he is a geoscientist 159 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: from University of Oklahoma, and he wrote what is probably 160 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: the definitive study on the harm so far back in 161 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: two thousand four. That's right, So Demming apparently if you 162 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: look at his research, there is another theory. Uh. And 163 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: this is where the US government comes into play, because 164 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: there's a couple of UM. There's a couple of theories 165 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: revolving around the US military and whether or not they 166 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: are causing this UM. One is with their High Frequency 167 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: Active Auroral Research Program h a a ARP in Alaska 168 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: and they transmit RF signals into the Hono sphere. And 169 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: very well, we should we go ahead and start talking 170 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: about the frequency ranges VLF and e l F. VLF 171 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: is very low frequency and those are waves at point 172 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: one hurts and the other one is e l F. Right, 173 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: is there extremely low frequencies and they're in the range 174 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: of UM the same amount of hurts, but their wavelength 175 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: is up to like a hundred thousand meters. Right, that's 176 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: an extremely long wavelength. That's right. And UM people who think, 177 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: you know, they call them HUM investigators, Uh, they believe 178 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: pretty much that it is VLF and e L f tones, UM, 179 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: that are driving these people crazy, and those tones can 180 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: drive you crazy. They do have adverse effects on the body. Um. 181 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: You know you you probably heard it about a lot 182 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to like cell phone radiation that kind 183 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah. But UM, whether or not E l 184 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: F and VLF is or are the hum is what's 185 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: a matter of much debate. It is matter of debate 186 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: because and it's also kind of a matter of faith 187 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: because what you're talking about there with UM E l 188 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: F and vlf frequencies is uh tones. Those are radio 189 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: waves and radio is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, right, 190 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: So it has been shown at very very high frequencies, 191 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: humans can detect electro magnetics sound. We take it as sound, 192 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: which is weird because it's not supposed to happen like that, 193 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: but that's how we experience it. It's not like at 194 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: a high frequency we suddenly see it. We hear it. 195 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: And if you are familiar with the UM comment six 196 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: that the European Space Agency recently landed on, which is crazy, 197 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: that comment was found to emit a an electromagnetic clicking sound, 198 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: which is how we experience electromagnets or electromagnetic sound at 199 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: a certain frequency, and so because it's a clicking sound, 200 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: it's not a hum at all. Some people are saying, well, 201 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. This is a hum. It 202 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: doesn't if we can hear it, it's it's it doesn't 203 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: sound like an idoling diesel engine. It sounds like a 204 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: clicking sound or something like that. And then what's more, 205 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: what this guy is saying is that if it's a 206 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: very low frequency or extremely low frequency, that's the opposite 207 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: of how we hear electromagnetic radiation. We heard a very 208 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: high frequency, not a very low frequency. So which one 209 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: is it. So, yes, it's still a huge matter of 210 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: debate even as to whether the hum. First of all, 211 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: if it does exist, if it's a single source, single source, 212 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: and then um, if it is a single source or 213 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: any kind of source, is it electromagnetic or is it acoustic? 214 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: And we'll unpack the difference between those things right after this. 215 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: So as whether or not the hum exist. The Canadian 216 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: government actually part of the problem is it's hard to 217 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: get research done on this because very small number of 218 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: people experience it, and a lot of them are called crackpots. Yeah, 219 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: so it's tough to get funding for research. But Luckily, 220 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: there's a country called Canada that will fund things like this, 221 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: and uh Dr Colin novak Um spent a year listening 222 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: to the Windsor Home in Ontario, and what they found 223 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: was the hum is real. And they traced the source 224 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: in that case too um on the Michigan side of 225 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: the Detroit River. UM and basically a steel plant on 226 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: Zug Island. Then that sounds like an industrial plant, ily does, 227 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: and it supposedly generates a lot of VLF waves UM 228 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: when they're operating. So in this instance, at least the 229 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: HUM was a real thing, and they found out it 230 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: was a tone created from basically an industrial plant, right, 231 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: So they apparently took steps to cut down on whatever 232 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: energy it was emitting. Yeah, they turned off the HUM 233 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: machine right exactly, and all of a sudden, um. Some 234 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: people said, hey, that worked, a lot of people said 235 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: that did absolutely nothing. The home's still out there. And 236 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: then the most people said, I still don't know what 237 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: you're talking about. So that that and that wasn't actually 238 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: the first time government has looked into the hum. In Taos, 239 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: New Mexico, there's something called the Taos Home and apparently, 240 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: uh somebody wrote in to complain about it to a 241 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: local newspaper, and all of a sudden, like hundreds more 242 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: people said, yes, I hear the same thing. I've been 243 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: hearing the same thing for years. What is going on? 244 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: And enough of enough people said something in New Mexico 245 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: that it prompted an investigation by the University of New 246 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: Mexico and Sandy A Labs, which I think is like 247 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: a government affiliated kind of Um, well, it's a neat 248 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: research lab. They deal sorts of cool clandestine stuff, right, Um, 249 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: very much so. And actually the X Files mentioned the 250 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: hum and episode called Drive. Yeah. Interesting, they talk about it. 251 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: There was a couple of characters had to constantly move 252 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: westward or else they would suffer from the pressure of 253 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: this hum that no one else could hear. Let me guess, 254 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: Mulder believe Scully did not exactly how did you saw 255 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: that one? No? I didn't, but you know, so, Um, 256 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: they looked into the Taos hum and they could never 257 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: figure out what it was, so I think they kind 258 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: of wrote it off as either mass delusion or a 259 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: bunch of people had tenitas or what have you, which 260 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: is again, that's the that's the easy that's the easy answer. 261 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: Like you have tonitas. The problem is if if a 262 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: person has tenitas, they the sound is internal, like they remember. 263 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: There's like the idea that the isn't it a high 264 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: pitch ringing. Yes, usually it can. It can vary in 265 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: in um and pitch, but for the most part it's 266 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: you can tell it's internal with the hum. Everyone who 267 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: experiences the hum says, no, this is external, and it's 268 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: it's they're so convinced it's external that they'll go out 269 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: at night when it's worse and try to find the 270 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: source of it. They'll drive around their city or their 271 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: neighborhood or walk around and look for what it is 272 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: that's driving them crazy and they'll never find it, or 273 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: they'll turn off the power of their house, or I mean, 274 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: there's all sorts of extreme um, and of course it's 275 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: all like anecdotal, but people that are driven to suicide 276 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: or this one guy who intentionally deafened himself with a chainsaw, 277 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: which I'm not sure how you do. I guess I 278 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: think um and possibly even murder, which we'll get to 279 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: in a bit, which is pretty interesting. But the point 280 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: is that it's not just something that's just bugging people 281 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: like it. It is having the hum. There are people 282 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: all over the world that don't know each other, that 283 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: have never met that, um, are suffering from something that 284 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: they hear that other people can't hear in concentrated areas. Yeah, 285 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: and then and that's the affecting their quality of life. 286 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: And UM, I don't know if I ever finished the sentence, 287 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: which is weird That means I'm really interested in something. 288 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: But um, did we say or did I say that 289 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: people who suffer from the hum tend to be in 290 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: their fifties and older. Yeah, that's one of the markers 291 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: between Okay, so there's a this is something in the 292 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: favor of acoustic sound. Um. So, acoustic sound is a 293 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: compression wave and it's something that's carried through and propagates 294 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: through media. So um, there it's a vibration in the air. 295 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: Whereas an electromagnetics wave comes from an electrical or a 296 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: magnetic or both source. This is like the vibe vibration. 297 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: It's a sound wave. That's that's an acoustic wave. Right. So, UM, 298 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: as we age, say you get to around fifty years 299 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: of age, your ability to hear high frequency and mid 300 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: frequency acoustic sound diminishes. Your low frequency capabilities go undiminished, 301 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: so it's not like they increase, but comparatively speaking, you 302 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: get better at hearing low frequencies around age fifty. Interesting. 303 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: So what some people think is that if it is electromagnetic, 304 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: then there are some people out there who are capable 305 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: of hearing electromagnetic waves while the rest of us can't 306 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: and they're being driven crazy by some source that we 307 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: have yet to identify. UM, or if it's acoustic, that 308 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: there are some people out there who are superheroes of 309 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: low frequency sound, which would also kind of um do 310 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: away with another diagnosis that a lot of doctors give people, 311 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: which is hyper accusus, which to me is worth a 312 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: whole other podcast. It's another people kill themselves over this 313 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: heightened hyper hearing, which where like this, the rustle of 314 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: clothes is unbearable. The thing is is, if you have 315 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: hyper accute, says, it's not just gonna be some home 316 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: that you hear and everything else is normal, which is 317 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: what hum sufferers experience. You would hear everything on this 318 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: grand scale. You'd be like Spider Man exactly. So what 319 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: they think is that there are people who UM are 320 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: predisposed to hearing low frequency sounds way better than other 321 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: people and that it comes as their higher and mid 322 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: frequency capabilities diminished with age. But again, what are they hearing? Well, 323 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: that's right, um. I mentioned earlier the h A A 324 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: r P program that the US government military is doing 325 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: in Alaska. The other one that I teased um is 326 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: the TACAMO, the Take Charge and Move Out system. On 327 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, the U. S. Navy basically adopted this 328 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: program to be able to U communicate with submarines, long 329 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: range bombers UM ballistic missiles during nuclear war. And they 330 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: use very low frequency radio waves to do so. And 331 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's a real thing, but is it the 332 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: hum um? Other conspiracy theorists will say that the US 333 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: government is also using these things to target individuals UM 334 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: and of course that's you know, you want to say 335 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: that's probably bunk, but you never know. Well, you know, 336 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: what the cool irony is that Jared Keller points out 337 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: is that if the HUM is electromagnetic in nature, tinfoil 338 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: hat and aluminum foil hat would actually work because it 339 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: blocks out about I write, but like just a thin 340 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: layer of aluminum can block out like of electromagnetic waves. 341 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: So that's pretty ironic that it might actually work. Although 342 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: I don't I haven't heard whether that helps people with 343 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: the hum, if they put on a tinfoil hat, if 344 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: that would help or not, or if it has UM. 345 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: But speaking of Tacomo, uh, if you read David Demming's 346 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: UM journal article, it's called the hum and an homeless 347 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: sound heard around the world. And there is a journal 348 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: called the Journal of Scientific Exploration, which is a pure 349 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: viewed scientific journal that accepts articles on things on the 350 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: fringe of science, which the home most decidedly is UM. 351 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: David demon gets into Tacomo and he basically says, this 352 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: is a secret government program. So obviously we can't get 353 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: any real answers. We don't know how often it works 354 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: or how often they're transmitting or anything, but we do 355 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: know it is a real thing. And he correlates some 356 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: dates when there's like upgrades to the system and then 357 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden in this one area around the 358 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: same time there's the Kokomo Indiana home starts UM. So 359 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: he he does a good job of correlating, and I 360 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: think that's kind of what he settles on. He believes 361 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: that it's probably the TACAMO program that this very low 362 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: frequency transmission. Two submarines underwater from airplanes above is being 363 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: propagated around the world, and that would suggest that it's 364 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: a global so right, that it's just some people can 365 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: hear these radio waves that you're not supposed to be 366 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: able to hear. Yeah, or it's multiple sources combined, like 367 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: a combined effect, like if you live near an industrial 368 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: plant that has a machine that's making the sound that 369 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: maybe certain people are retuned to or not. I don't know. Well, 370 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: it's another characteristic is that it's mostly experienced in the country. 371 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: Do see. I just chalk that up to noise pollution 372 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: being red. Yeah. Like when I worked at a convenient 373 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: store in the midnight shift the um. When I worked 374 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: during the day, I would not notice anything, But when 375 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: I worked up there at night at three am, I 376 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: would hear the buzzing of the fluorescent lights and it 377 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: would drive me crazy. Uh you know, I would turn 378 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: them off and people would think we were closed. So 379 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: you the thing is you eventually stopped hearing that, right, Well, 380 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: when I left work. That's called habituation. So habituation means 381 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: that you are capable of so like you'd focus on 382 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: these things the whole time you were there. Well, yeah, 383 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: in the middle, I wouldn't focus on it, but I 384 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: would notice. I'd be reading a book and I would 385 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: just hear that sound, you know, But I never noticed 386 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: it during the day when the lights were on. But 387 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: so like when you didn't hear it, that's habituation where 388 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: like you're you're exposed to something, your brain says, uh, 389 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: this is totally it's not a threat. I don't have 390 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: to pay attention to it anymore. So anytime in this 391 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: context that I hear that sound, I don't have to 392 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: become cognizant of it. Now apparently you did. You kind 393 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: of like fell into cognizance like here or there, and 394 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: like you'd notice it again. But for a normal human being, 395 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: when you're exposed to something like that over and over again, 396 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: the less you notice it. But like we said with 397 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: the hum the more you're exposed to it, the easier 398 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: it is to tune in. And what that's called no, 399 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: And not only can you not escape it, you can 400 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: catch it easier and easier, Like you can become cognizant 401 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: of it easier and easier the more you're exposed to it. 402 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: It's called sensitization, where I guess another explanation for the 403 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: Thus the suffers of the HUM if they are hearing something. 404 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: One of the reasons that it drives them so baddy 405 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: is because their habituation levels are low, but they're sensitive. 406 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: Sensitization levels are high, so they're not able to ignore it, 407 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: and some part of their brain is focusing in on 408 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: and this creates this, I guess, a perfect storm of holaciousness. 409 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: All right, Well, right after this break, Um, I did 410 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: mention murder, So we're gonna talk about one of them 411 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: more interesting parts of the effects of the HUM right 412 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: after this. Alright, So I mentioned murder, like I said, 413 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: and one of the things that UM. What is the 414 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: guy's name, Steve Callaz. He's a mechanical He's a mechanical 415 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: and near and HUM investigator in Connecticut, and I believe 416 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: he was the one that traced UM the Windsor home 417 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: to Zug Island and he has done UM some research 418 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: that he believes the HAM and others believed the HAM 419 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: could be responsible for UM well for killing other people. 420 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: UH specifically in his case, he actually approached Connecticut State 421 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: police investigators after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, 422 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: and he said the HUM from a nearby gas pipeline 423 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: might have driven Adam Lanza two well have contributed to 424 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: driving him to do something like this. And I don't 425 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: think he's saying this made him crazy so he did this. 426 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: I think he's saying, fragile minded people could be pushed 427 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: over the edge. It could be the last straw for somebody. Um. 428 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know how much credence it has, but 429 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: investigators did at least include that in the documents. They 430 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: really to the public, so they thought it was worthy 431 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: enough to put in, you know, among the seven thousand 432 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: other documents to release to the public. And he's not 433 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: the only one. Um. Remember the Navy Yard shooting in 434 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Alexis, he fully came out and said, um, quote, 435 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: ultra low frequency attack is what I've been a subject 436 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: to for the last three years, I'm sorry three months, 437 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: and to be perfectly honest, that is what has driven 438 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: me to this end. Quote. And he scrawled and scratched 439 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: e LF on the shotgun barrel that he used to 440 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: kill twelve people at the Washington Navy Yard and he yeah, 441 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: and he scratched my e l F weapon on the stock. 442 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: I think yeah, And um, basically conspiracy theorists would say, well, 443 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: this is clearly driving people to do things like this. 444 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: Skeptics are gonna say, no, these people are delusional and 445 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: they're the ones who believe the government is shooting them 446 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: with these U. E. F tones and driving them crazy. 447 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: But either way, it's a little startling that someone would 448 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: scratch that in their shotgun before they did something like 449 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: that and and blame it on that outright. But that 450 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: that raises another point, like you know, how exposed was 451 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: he to those conspiracy theories. Like a lot of people 452 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: would say, well, there, you know, there's a Yahoo group 453 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: dedicated to the HUM. There's that one world HUM map 454 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: and database, and like people who go see these things, 455 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean, are they are they just suggestible and they're like, 456 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I can hear it. Yeah. Um. David Deming 457 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: points out, like that's crazy. The idea that people are 458 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: tuning into this thing that's having a really um diminishing 459 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: effect on their well being as part of just a 460 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: a mass delusion or something like that kind of goes 461 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: against this. The typical psychology of mass delusion where people 462 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: join crowds to be to get some sort of positive 463 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: benefit or effect from it, and you can argue there 464 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: get they're feeling a sense of inclusion or whatever by 465 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: saying I hear the hum too, even in a very 466 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: small minority. But apparently if you are a hum sufferer, 467 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: like your life is screwed up and you're not a 468 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: happy person. Yeah, I will say this. One thing I've 469 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: noticed about conspiracy theorists is none of them ever believe one. Yeah. 470 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: It seems like they believe a lot of them, you know. Uh, 471 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: So that's all I have to say about that. Well, 472 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: there's one other thing. So not only is this driving 473 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: people crazy, there is evidence that if this does exist, 474 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: if there is something that um if there's some sort 475 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: of what's called low frequency noise that's in the environment, 476 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: it is, it's everywhere, but if people are are being 477 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: exposed to it, there's evidence that biologically speaking, it can 478 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: have an impact. And they're just happened to be this 479 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: incredible real world laboratory that's sprung up in Portugal in 480 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: the late seventies because a guy named Caste Obronco was 481 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: put in charge of the Portuguese Air Forces maintenance, repair 482 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: and manufacturing plant. It's called ogma um or I don't 483 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: I don't know Portuguese accent or else I do it. 484 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: We'll just call it ogma UM. And he happened to 485 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: just be sitting there and he watched a aircraft technician 486 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: wander around aimlessly in what apparently looked a lot like 487 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: an epileptic seizure to this doctor. And it was during 488 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: in what's called an aircraft run up procedure where they're 489 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: like going through all the systems, and this guy was 490 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: just standing there and all of a sudden, he's wandering around. 491 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: So he looked into it and found that ten of 492 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: the workers at this aircraft repair shop were diagnosed with 493 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: late onset epilepsy. And if you look at this population 494 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: and compared to the population of Portugal at large, not 495 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: you wouldn't expect ten percent to have it. You'd expect 496 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: point to sent to have it. So the fact that 497 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who are being diagnosed 498 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: with this really um led them to believe that they 499 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: were exposed to this low frequency noise or that it 500 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: was having a dangerous effect on them. And this one 501 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: guy who was a worker there got really interested in 502 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: all this and he created a living will. His name 503 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: was Phelippe Pedro and Phelippe Pedro was like, you cut 504 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: me open the moment I die and doing autopsy, and 505 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: they found this guy was messed up, like his his ajorda. 506 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: His heart was thicken the walls were thickened inexplicably chi 507 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: yeah pretty much. Um, but no, that would be explicable. 508 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: So he was a very healthy person. Then apparently what 509 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: they found doesn't jibe with his lifestyle he was. He 510 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: was diagnosed with late onset epilepsy. He died at age 511 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: fifty eight. Um. He had a thickened he had thickened 512 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: heart tissue, he had a tumor and his kidney, he 513 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: had a tumor in his liver. Um. And apparently, now 514 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: thanks to this guy and his autopsy, he kind of 515 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: like laid the groundwork for this investigation into low frequency 516 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: noise being dangerous for humans. Even though we don't feel anything, 517 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: but on a cellular level, being exposed to this stuff 518 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: has these effects. UM. So apparently, if you have thickening 519 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: of your heart tissue without any kind of inflammation response, um, 520 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: that is a classic sign of low frequency noise damage. 521 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: It's what's called uh fibro acoustic disease, which certain people 522 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: may be susceptible to and others are not. In theory, supposedly, 523 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: anyone exposed to it would be susceptible to it. The 524 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: way that it ties into the HUM is some people 525 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: might actually be able to hear what they're being exposed to, 526 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: while while most people might not. So we're all exposed 527 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: to it. Then. Yeah, the in this article, I can't 528 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: remember the name of it, but it was it was 529 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: basically an overview of this this um aircraft place by 530 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: some Portuguese scientists. Um. They they said, it's almost impossible 531 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: to get a control group to compare because everybody's exposed 532 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: to low frequency noise, just most of us aren't aware 533 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: of it. It's just everywhere, but it's not considered a 534 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: nuisance except for that two to eleven of poor people 535 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: who suffer from hearing the home and their accounts differ 536 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: wildly as well. Uh So that's it's tough to study, 537 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: and you can't get funding to study because it's French 538 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: science unless you're in Canada. So they say, turn a 539 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: fan on at night. Really that's what one guy does, 540 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: makes sense, Yeah, turn on a fan or like some 541 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: sort of like they need white noise to john it 542 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: out and that helps. But get that up, get the 543 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: white noise out. That's what I sleep to. Uh again, 544 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: go read the awesome article by Jared Keller. Yeah, Life 545 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: Science had a couple of good articles yeah. Um, and 546 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: then David Demming has the Home and Anomalous Sound Heard 547 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: round the World. Uh. And then if this kind of 548 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: stuff floats your boat, you might want to check out 549 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: some of our friends sites to Um, there's a great 550 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: podcast by our friend Roman mars Ed Invisible, who would 551 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: be able to explain a lot of the science behind 552 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: this kind of thing. No, but it's kind of up 553 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: his alley, like the vibro acoustic idea. I can totally 554 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: see him getting into that. And I just think if 555 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: somebody dug that, they dig n in Visible and then 556 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: damn interesting. Another great site that would definitely have probably 557 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: has something about the home on it. Yeah, and watch 558 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: the X Files. Yeah right yeah, our pal molder. Uh. 559 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: And of course you can um hang out at how 560 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: stuff works. You can just type the home in. I 561 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: don't think it'll bring up an article, but see what happens. Yeah, 562 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: we don't have one yet, but yeah, type home into 563 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,479 Speaker 1: the search bar and see what comes up. It's just 564 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: a fun game. And since I said the search bar. 565 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: It's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call it this 566 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 1: um limousine Ranch. Hey guys, I finally have a story 567 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: for you after listening for over five years. I live 568 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: in super rural South Dakota, not just the regular rural 569 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: South Dakota. My town is only about people and it 570 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: is the largest town within a hundred miles radius. The 571 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: main business here is agriculture and ranching a big surprise. 572 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: After I married my plumber husband from St. Louis, we 573 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: moved back to my little hometown six years ago, where 574 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: we started a plumbing business. He started plumbing business. Shortly 575 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: after moving here, we got a call to go to 576 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: Anderson's limousin ranch, limousine ranch with no E on the end. 577 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: After driving out to the country and lots of gravel roads, later, 578 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: he came up on the ranch and failed to see 579 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: any limos He said he couldn't figure out where all 580 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: the limousines were, uh, and why there would be a 581 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: limousine company dealership in the middle of nowhere on an 582 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: Indian reservation, I guess. He asked the owners and they 583 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: splain that they run limousine cattle on their ranch, which 584 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: I looked up. It's a type of cattle from the 585 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: Limousine region of France. They don't look like they're wearing 586 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: cloaks or anything. Now, my brother and I teased them 587 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: for quite some time on this to get a mental 588 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: image of the absurdity. Imagine the vast prairie of dances 589 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: with wolves or Fargo, and then expect to see a 590 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: limousine dealership out there. Um or just a bunch of 591 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: limousines is kind of meandering around the field. That sounds 592 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: like something that would happen in Fargo. That's very Cohen 593 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: Brothers esque but not. Kevin Costner asking that he's pretty 594 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: self serious. Yeah, he didn't look like he has much 595 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: of us since humor Diousie, I don't know he was 596 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: in Bull Durham. It's funny. Well, yeah, back in the 597 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: day when he was Bible. I watched the preview only 598 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: for that movie Draft Day that he did recently. Yeah, 599 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: I can barely make it through the preview. The preview 600 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: built it up. They were like, I can't believe he's 601 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: doing it. Is he really going to do this? And 602 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: it's about the NFL Draft and he's like a GM 603 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 1: and they built it up to this thing, and finally 604 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: I was. It was when it was in the movie 605 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: theater the preview. I leaned over to my buddy Scotty, 606 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: who you know, and I was like, like, what does 607 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: he do? Does he like open fire on the room 608 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: and like shoot people or is it just some sort 609 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 1: of trade. It's a team. Yeah, but they were building 610 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: up like I can't believe this is happening. Did you 611 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: ever see the movie? No, what was Scott's take on it? 612 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: He just laughed and said, yeah, exactly. That sounds like 613 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: our Scott. That's he's the guy that laughs at things 614 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: like that. Um, that is from Jennifer Coleman. Oh, I 615 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: forgot we were even doing. Listen to the mail, that's right, Jennifer, 616 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: And Um, you should tease your husband for that. That's 617 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: pretty funny stuff. And he should stick to the plumbing business. 618 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: Yeah for real, not the limousine company finding business. 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