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Speaker 2: I'm trying to hold off on Michaeh. Parsons and Jerry Jones,

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Speaker 2: although it's getting a little more interesting. Jane Slater did

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Speaker 2: a really good job NFL Network Cowboys reporter talking to

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Speaker 2: Jerry Jones, and we were learning about a handshake deal

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Speaker 2: that he had with Micah Parsons. There's one problem with this,

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Speaker 2: and Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, he pointed this

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Speaker 2: out a couple of days ago. Owners and players aren't

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Speaker 2: supposed to negotiate contracts. You are supposed to go through

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Speaker 2: an agent who is certified by the NFL Players Association. Well,

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Speaker 2: Jerry's been doing this for a long long time and

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Speaker 2: nobody called him on it. But now he's saying at

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Speaker 2: a handshake agreement with Michael Parsons and then all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden he doesn't have a handshake agreement. Here is

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Speaker 2: Jane Slater talking to Jerry Jones about how he does business.

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Speaker 3: So how would you describe a deal getting so to speak, done,

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Speaker 3: and then walked away from.

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Speaker 4: I bought the Dallas Cowboys with a handshake. Took about

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Speaker 4: thirty seconds, and I gave the numbers shook hands. The

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Speaker 4: details we worked out later. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 4: one of the details involved a lot of money and

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Speaker 4: we had to flip a.

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Speaker 5: Coin over that.

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Speaker 4: But the fundamental I'm buying and you're going to sell

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Speaker 4: it to me for that range, that's done and those

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Speaker 4: are done with eye contact and handshake.

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Speaker 5: So is there just so you understand why.

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Speaker 4: I the way that I communicate with people that I

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Speaker 4: negotiate with.

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Speaker 5: So let's leave it at that.

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Speaker 4: There is no question that in the case of a

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Speaker 4: player or contract, you have to have it in writing.

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Speaker 4: All parties do we have a contract in writing, yet

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Speaker 4: we're still talking about renegotiating it.

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Speaker 6: So so much for that. Okay, once again, you have

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Speaker 6: to go through an agent.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what happened, you know, forty years ago

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Speaker 2: when he bought the Cowboys, when I don't know, did

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Speaker 2: you write it down on a napkin?

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Here's our number and there's your number, and that's not

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Speaker 2: an official deal. Just so you know, a handshake agreement

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Speaker 2: is not going to hold up. Maybe Michael Parsons said,

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Speaker 2: and I've been in negotiations before where you get somebody

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Speaker 2: who kind of.

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Speaker 6: Gives you the vagaries.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of gray area, like yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: how about yeah, let me think about it.

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Speaker 6: I'll get back to you.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean now I can shake your hand when

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Speaker 2: I leave. That doesn't mean I'm shaking your hand in

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Speaker 2: agreeing to you. It's let me talk to people. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's why you have an agent. Jerry doesn't like dealing

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Speaker 2: with agents. And then he didn't know Michael Parson's agent's name,

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Speaker 2: or it acted like he didn't a couple of weeks ago. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he does know who he is because he's negotiated a

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Speaker 2: contract with him with another remember of the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: But Jerry handshake agreement, and Michah Parsons is kind of

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Speaker 2: renegging on that deal that you agreed to. I'd like

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Speaker 2: to hear Michael Parson's portion of this. But you know,

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Speaker 2: to Michah Parson's credit, he hasn't said much. He's just like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get this done, and we're not going

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Speaker 2: to get this done now you can trade me. That's

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Speaker 2: really all we've heard from him. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: the deal is. I know where they're probably going to land,

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Speaker 2: and it's probably going to be forty two million dollars

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Speaker 2: a year and is he going to be available week one?

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Speaker 2: Jerry didn't think so, and he said, yeah, this is urgent. Okay,

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Speaker 2: But James Slater asking him about doing his business and

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Speaker 2: how he does this business, Jerry did talk about Micah's contract, saga, well,

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Speaker 2: we did to become urgent.

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Speaker 7: I' mean clearly you want him on the field for

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Speaker 7: against going to go. I'm urged that we need to

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Speaker 7: get some something resolved one way or another that he's

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Speaker 4: Your definition of urgent is not necessarily I don't get

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Speaker 5: Imagine. Okay, so I'll stay urgent.

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Speaker 4: Any confidence that he will be on the field against again, No,

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Speaker 4: absolutely not. That has to a big part of that

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Speaker 4: is his decision. How would I know that. I'm just

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Speaker 4: saying no, but I'm.

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Speaker 6: Urgent, okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure he understood the question do you think

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Speaker 2: said no. I don't know if he thought, hey, is

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Speaker 2: I thought that's where Jerry was answering no, but trying

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Speaker 2: to sort this out. I still think a deal gets done.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're trading him. I haven't heard anybody

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Speaker 2: say anything about anybody offering anything from Micah Parsons. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you have that, okay, now we can have a discussion.

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Speaker 2: It's like Trey Hendrickson with the Bengals or Terry mclauren. Now,

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Speaker 2: I've seen websites where they'll go potential landing spots for well,

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Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin. I've seen six teams, but that would just

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Speaker 2: because they need a wide receiver. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: they've offered anything. Micah Parsons haven't heard anything proposed trades.

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Speaker 6: What if the Bears.

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Speaker 2: Give two first round picks and a fourth round pick.

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Speaker 2: There's no reporting attached to this. And the same with

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson. Has anybody made an offer to the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: because it doesn't sound like anybody has. Now, if somebody does,

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Speaker 2: now we can have a conversation that this is real,

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Speaker 2: that he could possibly go.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I love that, you know, like we spend a lot

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Speaker 8: of time talking about Jerry Jones is a brilliant businessman.

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Speaker 8: He's brilliant, He's a genius, so great at business. Obviously,

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Speaker 8: he's very successful at business. Yeah, he's a a genius

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Speaker 8: businessman like Jay. How about how'd you get through the

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Speaker 8: finer points of getting the Cowboys? We shook hands and

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Speaker 8: flipped a coin.

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Speaker 6: That's wow.

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Speaker 8: I had no idea that that's what goes into being

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Speaker 8: such a genius. We flipped a coin. I can do

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Speaker 8: both of those. I can shake your hand and I

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Speaker 8: can flip a coin.

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Speaker 6: Really, you did it. Don't think I could get the

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Speaker 9: Yes, PAULI, I somewhat respect what Jerry Jones is saying that,

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Speaker 9: you know, a handshake deal can start a deal. And

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Speaker 9: if that handshake deal, though, was last March, things have changed.

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Speaker 9: Things have changed a lot with a defensive end position

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Speaker 9: that a handshake is no longer apt with with with uh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah Parsons.

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Speaker 9: No, I'm saying not with Parsons, but with all the

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Speaker 9: other players who have signed. It changed the entire market.

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Speaker 9: So that handshake deal does not hold up what it

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Speaker 9: gives to the agent four months.

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Speaker 2: But you should have signed him to the contract back

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Speaker 2: in March exactly. If you do that, now you're binded.

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Speaker 2: You're bound by that. Then then it's different. If I

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Speaker 2: shake your hand and say, hey, you know what we'll

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Speaker 2: get back. I like, you shook hands and you agreed

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Speaker 2: in principle to something. I got to get the paperwork

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Speaker 2: done then, because I know I got these other defensive

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Speaker 2: right away. It's urgent, he said, he's urgent. Why didn't

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Speaker 2: you get the paperwork done?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: See, well this is why he doesn't like agents, because

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Speaker 8: it's possible. Michael Parsons was like, man, that's a good deal,

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Speaker 8: let's sign And the agent said.

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Speaker 6: What's the rush? Why don't we just let the season

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Speaker 6: play out? What's the rush?

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Speaker 2: A general manager wouldn't allow this to happen. A GM

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Speaker 2: would have said, we'll drop the papers. We're ready to go,

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Speaker 2: We'll drop the papers.

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Speaker 6: Yes, right.

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Speaker 8: Nobody likes middleman, but man, do they come in handy

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Speaker 8: sometimes with things like this.

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Speaker 2: But you're required to deal with the agent. You're required

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Speaker 2: so you can't say, hey, we're kind of loose when

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Speaker 2: it comes to negotiating contract. But if I decide that

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Speaker 2: I'm going to cut you, then you know, do I

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Speaker 2: have to live up to the contract that we signed

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Speaker 2: or just a handshake agreement? Like you can't pick and choose.

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Speaker 2: But the NFL has allowed Jerry to do this for

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Speaker 2: decades now. He's the most powerful man in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: But a handshake agreement. I'd have to know more about

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Speaker 2: this from Michael Parson's perspective, but you know, it's just

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Speaker 2: the further along this goes, it just becomes like this abyss.

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Speaker 2: You go in and you're like, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I'll get out anytime soon. And that's why I always

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Speaker 2: have trepidation when it comes to discussing this. Am I

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Speaker 2: humored by Jerry Jones? Sometimes? Yes I am, but not

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Speaker 2: a good way. It just he should speak less. He

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Speaker 2: should have his son speak maybe more. But you know,

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Speaker 2: when you give us these colloquialisms and you know, a handshake,

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Speaker 2: and that's the way we used to do it, and

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Speaker 2: that's the good old days, and that's that's not the

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Speaker 2: good old days now. Michael Parsons has an agent. Deal

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Speaker 2: with the agent. That's when you get something that's official.

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Speaker 2: That's when you're going to get something on paper, that's

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Speaker 2: gonna be something where you sign. That's when you have

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Speaker 2: something that is binding. Yes, tod, I can appreciate.

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Speaker 10: What Jerry saying as far as eye contact and you know,

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Speaker 10: talking directly to one another. But why does it have

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Speaker 10: to be instead of an agent being present? Why can't

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Speaker 10: you have both things. We're gonna talk and we're gonna

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Speaker 10: look at each other, we're gonna be in the same room.

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Speaker 10: But I also want to have my attorney. I gotta

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Speaker 10: protect myself. My agent knows legal things in terms that

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Speaker 10: I'm not familiar with. That's why he pays him part

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Speaker 2: Jerry loves to do this, speaking to a former cowboy yesterday.

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Speaker 6: He loves to be there and just talk to you.

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Speaker 5: That's all.

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Speaker 6: It's just you and me. We'll just talk and he

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Speaker 6: can convince you.

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Speaker 2: To maybe take something that you shouldn't take, or less

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Speaker 2: than you should take, or well, we're gonna take now

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Speaker 2: the language that was given to me yesterday by a

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Speaker 2: form of a cowboy. He's like, Jerry will say, you know,

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Speaker 2: we'll worry about that later. You can't do that, not

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Speaker 2: with something like this. You're talking two hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: with Michaeh. Parsons. Probably it can't be. Will take care

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Speaker 2: of that a little later whenever.

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Speaker 6: We need to.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry about that, No, no, no, we got to

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Speaker 2: worry about all those things. That's part of the problem

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Speaker 2: with the Cowboys' attention to detail. Maybe that's why you

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Speaker 2: haven't been back to the super Bowl in thirty years.

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Speaker 2: Preseason football ramps up coming up tomorrow. Shardor Sanders gets

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Speaker 2: the start for the Cleveland Browns. I think he's the

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Speaker 2: only quarterback who's healthy right now. He gets the start.

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Speaker 2: That'll be fun. ESPN is acquiring NFL Network, also Red Zone.

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Speaker 2: I go back eight years ago. The great writer Jim Miller,

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Speaker 2: who wrote the ESPN book, reported that ESPN was trying

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Speaker 2: to reestablish a positive relationship with the NFL. This is

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Speaker 2: eight years ago the network was gauging whether to abandon

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Speaker 2: the NFL. They were having a hard time being a

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Speaker 2: business partner, according.

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Speaker 6: To Jim Miller. Now they're all in.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's all in on this, and I know, you know,

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Speaker 2: the journalist in me talks about or would talk about,

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Speaker 2: or would point out the conflict of interest. But ESPN

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Speaker 10: Yes, ton, it didn't pass the smell test for the NFL.

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Speaker 9: I didn't realize how many players used them over the

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Speaker 9: There's a player for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers it says

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Speaker 2: Weight lifters use these before a big lift. They'll take

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: I guess you can order them, But are they worried

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Speaker 2: Is it going to trickle down to you know, Pop Warner.

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Speaker 6: Oh, yes, that's going to be the feeling, that's going

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Speaker 6: But you would take a hit of that and it's

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Speaker 9: A lot of people are speculating that the FDA caused this.

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Speaker 6: Playing high school of football. Oklahoma drill, Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 6: They called it the Oklahoma drill.

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Speaker 2: one who had the story initially. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: they promoted you correctly. Don, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you were on First Take. I

438
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Speaker 2: don't know if you're on NFL Live. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you're on Get Up. I know that Pablo Torre

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Speaker 2: and Mike Flora, Mike Florio were there front and center

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Speaker 2: promoting this and got a lot of attention here. So

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Speaker 2: I apologize for that that I didn't know that you

443
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Speaker 2: were the person the originator of this story there to

444
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Speaker 2: say you're embarrassed for me because I didn't see the article.

445
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Speaker 2: I said that out loud. I don't know if you

446
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Speaker 2: guys did a deep dive and I wasn't talking about you.

447
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Speaker 2: You made it personal about me, and you know about

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Speaker 2: being a journalist, I said at the point, I didn't know.

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Speaker 6: And also you know when.

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Speaker 2: You start, you started out that way, you miss what

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Speaker 2: the real point was is is is there a conflict

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Speaker 2: of interest? Like that's the discussion here, not I missed

453
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Speaker 2: that you did something on the and by the way,

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Speaker 2: it's not on the NFL. Your expose was on the

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Speaker 2: NFL Players Association. There's a big difference in that. So

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Speaker 2: we've reached out to Don If he wants to join us, great.

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Speaker 2: You may not even care about this, but when you

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Speaker 2: say you're embarrassed for me, and then you know you

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Speaker 2: want to show me your resume, and I'll show you mine,

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Speaker 2: and you know we can have a private conversation here,

461
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Speaker 2: but if you call me out, you're embarrassed imagine if

462
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Speaker 2: you did this, you did your article live, because that's

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Speaker 2: what I do every day. I write columns every single

464
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Speaker 2: day for three hours. And sometimes you make mistakes. And

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Speaker 2: you know by saying that there's not an investigative arm

466
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Speaker 2: inside ESPN, that's on me. I made a mistake. I

467
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Speaker 2: know where your office is, and you know it's been

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Speaker 2: scaled down greatly. I hope you continue to fight the

469
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Speaker 2: good fight. Don I hope you and your staff fight

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Speaker 2: the good fight. But now is when you're judged. From

471
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Speaker 2: here on out, is when you're judged covering the NFL,

472
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Speaker 2: not what you did before. Have you liked me saying

473
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Speaker 2: I'm not any good at this? But man, was I

474
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Speaker 2: good at Sports Center? No one cares. It's about today

475
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Speaker 2: and tomorrow in the next day. Covering the NFL Player

476
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Speaker 2: Association is a whole lot different than covering the NFL,

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Speaker 2: and you have to admit, which you didn't. It's a

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Speaker 2: conflict of interest. The perception is a conflict of interest,

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Speaker 2: and that was the point that I was trying to

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Speaker 2: make there. I wish you well, but if you want

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Speaker 2: to have a conversation on the show or privately, I'd

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Speaker 2: love to. I have nothing against you. You're the one

483
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Speaker 2: that made it personal, all right, And thank you all

484
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Speaker 2: the people on social media who stood up for me

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Speaker 2: and sent me the article. And I got way too

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Speaker 2: many articles sent to me. Very happy. But I hope

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Speaker 2: to restore my journalistic credentials here this entire show. I

488
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Speaker 2: got three hours to do it, and perhaps I'll do that.

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Speaker 2: But there's a reason why the commissioner of the NFL

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Speaker 2: has not been on this show for over a decade.

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Speaker 2: Because I ask good questions. I ask the right questions.

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Speaker 2: I ask questions that can be uncomfortable. We take pride

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Speaker 2: in what we do and how we do it. And

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Speaker 2: because I offhandedly said I'm wondering because I didn't read

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Speaker 2: your expose, I'm going to renew my ESPN dot com

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Speaker 2: subscription polling.

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Speaker 9: Nineteen ninety nine a year.

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Speaker 6: I'm special. Is that what it is to get you?

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Speaker 6: A former employee?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? But this is another thing. I don't you know.

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Speaker 2: They have analytics that say, hey, we're covering this and

503
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Speaker 2: this and this and this and this. Don is in

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Speaker 2: the buzzkill business. His job is to find the negative

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Speaker 2: side of things. I mean, he's trying to find the

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Speaker 2: CD under belly here and I don't know if get

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Speaker 2: up and first take and some of these other shows go, hey,

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Speaker 2: come on down, let's spend ten minutes talking about this.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's unfortunate, but I've been there.

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Speaker 6: I was there for a long time.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people who were great journalists no longer

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Speaker 2: work there, and you're alone in the corner there, don

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Speaker 2: And I hope that they add instead of subtracting there.

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Speaker 2: I think that's really important to cover the NFL, not

515
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Speaker 2: just the NFLPA.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 6: He's Drew Brees, future Hall of Famer, Super Bowl MVP

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Speaker 6: winner and joining us on behalf of Jimmy Johns and

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Speaker 6: Drew Brees Number nine.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Look at all the posters back there, they're all pictures

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Speaker 2: of you.

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Speaker 11: Well since since you since I'm not behind you. You know,

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Speaker 11: amongst some of the all time broadcasting grades, I see

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Speaker 11: Bob Costas, I see Al Michaels. You know, I figured

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Speaker 11: I had to kind of create my own setup back here.

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Speaker 6: Let's go back to your broadcasting career.

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Speaker 2: Looking back on it, No, but I'm I know you

532
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Speaker 2: want to do this, and you're a competitor and you

533
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Speaker 2: want to be great. What is it that maybe you

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Speaker 2: missed understanding or doing the first go round to be

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Speaker 2: your broadcasting career.

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Speaker 11: Well, here's where I kind of chuckled, man, because I

537
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Speaker 11: get the perception. I get the feeling that the perception

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Speaker 11: is it somehow, you know, I failed at being a broadcaster.

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Speaker 11: I got two opportunities to broadcast NFL games, and they

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Speaker 11: were like eight weeks apart.

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Speaker 5: I did.

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Speaker 11: I did one game in New Orleans for Thanksgiving, and

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Speaker 11: I did one playoff game. Otherwise I did. I broadcasted

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Speaker 11: Notre Dame football. But really, when I took that job

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Speaker 11: with NBC, the idea was to work with some of

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Speaker 11: the best people in the business. Mike Trico, Tony Jungee,

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Speaker 11: Rob Hyland, like Fred Gadelli, all the guys that are

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Speaker 11: legendary guys in that organization. And man, I'm so thankful

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Speaker 11: that I had that opportunity. But at the same time,

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Speaker 11: what I really did, for the most part, was sit

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Speaker 11: behind a desk and do Sunday Night Football. The Sunday

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Speaker 11: Night Football Football nine in America and then you know,

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Speaker 11: a bunch of stuff in stadium at the desk, and

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Speaker 11: then the Super Bowl broadcast, but again at the desk.

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Speaker 11: So at the end of the day, like I chuckle,

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Speaker 11: because even as I look at the landscape right now, man,

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Speaker 11: I have so much respect for a lot of guys.

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Speaker 5: In the booth right now.

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Speaker 11: But I'd step in the booth right now and be

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Speaker 11: a top three guy, like without question, and then you

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Speaker 11: give me a few years and I could be the best.

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Speaker 11: So look, I love the game. I love talking about

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Speaker 11: the game. I feel like I have an insight to

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Speaker 11: the game that is pretty unique. You know, given my

565
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Speaker 11: playing experience, I see the game a totally different way.

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Speaker 11: I process it a different way. And so even as

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Speaker 11: I watch games now and I just kind of listened to,

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Speaker 11: you know, the commentary and this and that and what

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Speaker 11: I'm seeing, I just feel like there's so much more

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Speaker 11: to add. And so look, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 11: I'm gonna wait for the right opportunity and you know,

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Speaker 11: hopefully it comes along. And if it doesn't, that's okay too,

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Speaker 11: because I'm coaching ball and I'm involved in the game

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Speaker 11: in so many other ways. But I do feel like,

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Speaker 11: I have a ton of value to add in the booth,

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Speaker 11: and so I'm appreciative of Netflix giving me the opportunity

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Speaker 11: to broadcast on Christmas Day. And I'm not sure exactly

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Speaker 11: which game, as can be, there's too on the slate,

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Speaker 11: but that'd be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it'd be like asking you to start a

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Speaker 2: game maybe in the preseason, then start a game, you know,

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Speaker 2: late in a season, and say you weren't consistent. It's

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Speaker 2: you need you need repetition in this. You got to

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Speaker 2: be there at weekend and week out.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, you know, and so it's it's I think

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Speaker 11: the unfortunate part about just that year was that the

587
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Speaker 11: thing I wanted to do most was broadcast NFL games.

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Speaker 11: The thing I had the opportunity to do the least

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Speaker 11: was broadcast NFL games. Now I had a chance to

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Speaker 11: do everything right. I was in studio, I was at

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Speaker 11: the stadium, did the Super Bowl pregame. I broadcast a

592
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Speaker 11: little college, I broadcasted a little NFL well, So I

593
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Speaker 11: got exposure to everything, and man, I retained it all,

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Speaker 11: like every bit of coaching from all those guys, And

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Speaker 11: I'm very appreciative of that. But you know, when I departed.

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Speaker 11: I departed because I wanted to I wanted to spend

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Speaker 11: more time with my kids on the weekends coaching ball,

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Speaker 11: and unfortunately that was the schedule didn't work out, having

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Speaker 11: a fly to Connecticut, you know, every week, and also

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Speaker 11: doing the Notre Dame games. So it was my decision

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Speaker 11: to step away from NBC. It was not theirs. They

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Speaker 11: wanted me back, and again I felt like I had

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Speaker 11: a great relationship with him during that time. Unfortunately, I

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Speaker 11: think it got reported a little bit differently, and now

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Speaker 11: somehow that's become the narrative. It could not be further

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Speaker 11: from the truth. You can go talk to Pete Bavakua,

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Speaker 11: who is the head of NBC Sports. You can go

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Speaker 11: talk to Sam Flood, you can go talk to any

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Speaker 11: of those guys, Mike Trico, Rob Hyland. Then I had

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Speaker 11: a great relationship with those guys, and they wanted me back.

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Speaker 11: Unfortunately the schedule just didn't work given the fact that

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Speaker 11: I wasn't really able to do what I want to do,

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Speaker 11: which is broadcast NFL games.

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Speaker 6: Is there a statue of you in New Orleans?

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Speaker 5: No, there's not.

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Speaker 6: Would you like to have a statue of you in

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Speaker 6: New Orleans.

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Speaker 11: I don't need a statue. You know what, there's a

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Speaker 11: statue of Steve Leeson and that's one of my favorites.

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Speaker 6: Well, and I'm being serious.

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Speaker 2: I know you're being modest here, but when you think

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Speaker 2: about an athlete and what he meant to a city,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's another athlete who meant more

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Speaker 2: to a city than you did or do to New Orleans.

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Speaker 11: Look, I think all of us if you go back

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Speaker 11: to you know that time two thousand and six, Sean

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Speaker 11: Payton comes in there as the head coach. I mean literally,

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Speaker 11: his first free agent signing was Scott Fujita right, who

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Speaker 11: was a mainstay on our defense, who was one of

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Speaker 11: my good, good friends, like and then just all the

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Speaker 11: little pieces that came together, you know, six oh seven,

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Speaker 11: O eight, which culminated our Super Bowl victory in O nine,

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Speaker 11: and then really just an incredible run throughout our fifteen

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Speaker 11: years there.

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Speaker 5: There were so many people that were part of that.

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Speaker 11: So it's not I mean, even as you would sit

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Speaker 11: here and say, hey, maybe Sean Payton and I get

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Speaker 11: a lot of the credit, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 11: I think we just take pride in the fact that

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Speaker 11: we had a chance to be a part of something

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Speaker 11: really really special, really unique, probably unprecedented from the perspective

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Speaker 11: of what happened to city where the team was, as

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Speaker 11: far as just the organization and just the perception that

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Speaker 11: people had of the Saints and then all of a

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Speaker 11: sudden being able to come together and create what was

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Speaker 11: one of the greatest runs I think in certainly NFL history,

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Speaker 11: professional sports history, and I think the reputation now of

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Speaker 11: what a team means to a city and really the

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Speaker 11: standard of what a team can mean to a city.

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Speaker 11: I feel like the New Orleans Saints represent that as

651
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Speaker 11: well as any wrong.

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Speaker 2: And I would have the statue of you to be

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Speaker 2: the actual size to scale. I would have it being

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Speaker 2: six feet so people can say, wow, he did it

655
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Speaker 2: at that height. I'm his height or I'm taller than him.

656
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Speaker 2: I don't want it to be seven feet tall. I

657
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Speaker 2: wanted to be six feet. Maybe you think you're six

658
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Speaker 2: to one, but maybe it's six feet. Can you be

659
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Speaker 2: too short to play quarterback in the NFL?

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Speaker 11: No, here's if you go back to you need the

661
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Speaker 11: perspective of having the linemen in front, you know, so

662
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Speaker 11: it's like it's like one of the it's like one

663
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Speaker 11: of these statues where you got like, you know, it's

664
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Speaker 11: like the cavalry, you know, and you have to beg

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Speaker 11: horses in front.

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Speaker 5: You know, that's what you need for the perspective.

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Speaker 6: So you're gonna be hidden behind your off fence line.

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Speaker 11: Like the six foot sixth light in front of perspective

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Speaker 11: of through these guys. No, look, I don't think you

670
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Speaker 11: can be too short. Look, there's that there's that prototype

671
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Speaker 11: size that maybe we all have in our mind for

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Speaker 11: each position.

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Speaker 5: In fact, I'm sure there's.

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Speaker 11: A lot of scouts that made a great living, you know,

675
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Speaker 11: through the years with having that mold or that model

676
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Speaker 11: for each position.

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Speaker 5: I know that Sean.

678
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Speaker 11: Payton had a little bit of that because he got

679
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Speaker 11: it from parcels. I would I was in these discussions

680
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Speaker 11: all the time as to what certain positions were supposed

681
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Speaker 11: to look like.

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Speaker 5: Apparently the only.

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Speaker 11: One that could have quite a bit of variation was

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Speaker 11: the running back position. He's like, they parcels just say

685
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Speaker 11: they come in all shapes and sizes. They just need

686
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Speaker 11: to have a big lower half, right, otherwise they're going

687
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Speaker 11: to constantly be in the shop, so to speak, They're

688
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Speaker 11: going to be injured. So I mean, like the darren

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Speaker 11: Sprolls is right, five foot seven, you know, one hundred

690
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Speaker 11: and eighty pounds, but it was one of the most

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Speaker 11: dynamic players in the history in the.

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Speaker 5: NFL, I think from a quarterback perspective.

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Speaker 11: Keep in mind too, not only was I shore, but

694
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Speaker 11: I came in the league behind a guy named Doug Flutie, who,

695
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Speaker 11: in my opinion, is one of the greatest quarterbacks in

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Speaker 11: all of professional football. And obviously he played every level

697
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Speaker 11: of it, from the USFL to the CFL to the NFL.

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Speaker 11: But he was doing things that were ahead of his time,

699
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Speaker 11: and I don't think he gets the appreciation for it.

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Speaker 5: He was Patrick Mahomes before Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 11: Everything you see Mahomes do, I saw Fluty do every

702
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Speaker 11: day in practice, from the no look throws to the

703
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Speaker 11: back shoulder throws to just like manipulating defenders with his

704
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Speaker 11: eyes buying time like. He just had such an incredible

705
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Speaker 11: feel for the game and a lot of the things

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Speaker 11: he did he did out of survival. Right like you

707
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Speaker 11: think about it, I think some of the greatest innovations

708
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Speaker 11: in history is because hey, there was a problem that

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Speaker 11: needed to be solved, or he had a limitation that

710
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Speaker 11: you had to overcome in some way with some other

711
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Speaker 11: sort of talent, and so like truly he did things

712
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Speaker 11: out of survival, like he would have been able to

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Speaker 11: play the position if he wasn't able to do these things.

714
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Speaker 11: But I had a front row seat to this for

715
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Speaker 11: four years with the Santigo Charters, and some ask his backup,

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Speaker 11: and then in other cases he is my backup.

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Speaker 5: But nonetheless he was.

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Speaker 11: An incredible mentor for me and I learned so much

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Speaker 11: from and so therefore I would say he played the

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Speaker 11: game at five nine and a half or whatever Doug was.

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Speaker 11: I don't think that's I don't think that's a limitation.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to Drew Brees, the future Hall of famerous

723
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl MVP.

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Speaker 6: What are you doing with Jimmy Johns?

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Speaker 11: Well, first off, so I've been a fan of Jimmy

726
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Speaker 11: john since nineteen ninety seven my freshman year at Purdue University.

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Speaker 11: I showed up to Wiley Hall my freshman year and

728
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 11: you're staying up late studying right Dan, and three o'clock

729
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 11: in the morning, you're starving, and the only place open

730
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Speaker 11: is Jimmy Johns. So you diveal up Jimmy Johns and

731
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Speaker 11: literally fifteen minutes later, you got some dude rolling up

732
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Speaker 11: on a bike to hand you with Jimmy john sandwich.

733
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Speaker 11: It's like the greatest pie of food in the world.

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Speaker 11: So literally that was like what I lived on three

735
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Speaker 11: days a week in college. So I've had a relationship

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Speaker 11: with Jimmy Johns for a long time. I've been at

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Speaker 11: Jimmy John's franchise year here in New Orleans. We built

738
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Speaker 11: out this market about fifteen years ago, so I've always

739
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 11: loved the brand and it's been a great partnership and

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Speaker 11: they're supporting our foundation. So actually for the entire month

741
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 11: of August, so all the way to August thirty, first

742
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 11: you can walk into with Jimmy Johns and just order

743
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Speaker 11: my favorite sandwich and they named that for me this month.

744
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Speaker 11: So you just say, I want to breeze number nine,

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Speaker 11: and basically that's going to be.

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Speaker 5: Ham capacolas salami.

747
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Speaker 11: It's then nightclub, all those lettuce tomato onions. You get

748
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Speaker 11: the oil and vinegar, salt, pepper, the basil oregano mix,

749
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Speaker 11: but it's no cheese.

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Speaker 5: Add hot peppers.

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Speaker 11: That's the little, you know, the little extra that we're

752
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Speaker 11: throw in this to make it the Breeze number nine

753
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Speaker 11: and not just the number nine. So and all the

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Speaker 11: proceeds are going to the Breech String Foundation of British

755
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Speaker 11: and Girls clubs around the country, So appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: With Jimmy Johnson, how do you know what to look

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Speaker 2: for or should we know what to look for with

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Speaker 2: rookie quarterbacks in preseason?

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Speaker 5: Well, first thing I say is experience.

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Speaker 11: I just just take obviously a ton of qbs have

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Speaker 11: been you're after here of the last you know, three years,

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Speaker 11: you know, in the first round so or four years.

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Speaker 11: So first and foremost, how many games? How many high

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Speaker 11: level starts do they have in college? And I think

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Speaker 11: that makes a huge difference. I think if you just

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Speaker 11: start looking at, hey, the guys that had forty fifty

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Speaker 11: even six bone Micks sixty one starts in college, those

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Speaker 11: guys come into the league a lot more well prepared

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Speaker 11: than the guys who, man, there's a ton of talent,

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Speaker 11: a ton of upside, a ton of potential started fifteen games, started,

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Speaker 11: seventeen games.

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Speaker 5: There's just you just.

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Speaker 11: Need I think forty to fifty high level starts before

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Speaker 11: you really kind of find that that that comfort level.

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Speaker 11: And so if you do take a guy like that,

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Speaker 11: then it's going to take two or three years. Obviously,

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Speaker 11: the team that you're part of, the system that you're in,

778
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Speaker 11: that that has that plays a big role in it.

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Speaker 11: But I think first and foremost you have to look

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Speaker 11: at experience and then how are you building the system

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Speaker 11: around him? What type of what type of runway does

782
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Speaker 11: he have in order to grow and develop? You know,

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Speaker 11: I think you look at the guy's probably who had

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Speaker 11: the most success last year, Jade Daniels.

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Speaker 5: Bonis right.

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Speaker 11: So those two examples, Jane Daniels, once you starts at

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Speaker 11: Arizona State, comes LSU, bunch of high level starts there,

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Speaker 11: he comes to the league.

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Speaker 5: I think very well prepared.

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Speaker 11: Bon Neck sixty one starts right between Auburn and Oregon,

791
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Speaker 11: comes in fairly well prepared.

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Speaker 5: So I think that's a big that's a big I'm.

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Speaker 2: Wondering how we're going to look at quarterbacks in the

794
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Speaker 2: future because Lamar Jackson could end up with ten thousand

795
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Speaker 2: rushing yards, which is unheard of. I mean for a

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Speaker 2: running back, ten thousand yards, it's a great career. Josh Allen,

797
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Speaker 2: he could end up with eight thousand yards rushing. You

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Speaker 2: look at the number of touchdown. Josh Allen's going to

799
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Speaker 2: end up with more rushing touchdowns than any other quarterback

800
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Speaker 2: in history.

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Speaker 6: He'll move past Cam Newton.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know how we everybody's thrown for a

803
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Speaker 2: lot of yards, but now you have this other category

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Speaker 2: in here, how will we differentiate or assess quarterbacks? You know,

805
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Speaker 2: bigger picture Hall of Fame wise, when you're adding something

806
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Speaker 2: that we really haven't seen the Michael Vick gave us this,

807
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Speaker 2: Steve Young, a little bit Cam Newton gave us. Now

808
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Speaker 2: it feels like, as Steve Young told me many times,

809
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Speaker 2: there's yards to get, Go get them.

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Speaker 6: If you're a quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: Look, it's a great point.

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Speaker 11: It's a great point because I think when you start

813
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Speaker 11: talking about qvs in history and the comparisons, you immediately

814
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Speaker 11: go to the passing statistics, and obviously in today's game,

815
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Speaker 11: it's so much more than that. At the end of

816
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Speaker 11: the day, what's your job. Your job is to go

817
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Speaker 11: put your team in the end zone, and so however

818
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Speaker 11: you can do that, it doesn't matter whether it's through

819
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Speaker 11: the air or on the ground. I think that Steve

820
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Speaker 11: Young quote is a great one. There's yards to get,

821
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Speaker 11: you know, go get them. There's first downs to get

822
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Speaker 11: go get them, So however you can do that. That's

823
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Speaker 11: why the whole QB rating thing is always so wonky, right,

824
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Speaker 11: because it's like, well, how are we really evaluating the

825
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Speaker 11: efficiency of the productivity of a quarterback when you have

826
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Speaker 11: all these different layers to it. I mean, you should

827
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Speaker 11: have somebody sitting there going, man, he threw the ball away.

828
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 11: That was actually an incredible decision. That shouldn't work against

829
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Speaker 11: him on the QB rating, Right, So you have all

830
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Speaker 11: these factors and at the end of the day, did

831
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Speaker 11: you possess the ball, did you get first towns to

832
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Speaker 11: push your team in the end zone? Did you score points?

833
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 11: Was that complimentary to your defense and that gets you

834
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Speaker 11: to win? I mean, that's that's that's truly how you

835
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Speaker 11: should be evaluated.

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Speaker 2: Well, also when you don't take a sack. I mean

837
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Speaker 2: that's like there's little things I agree QBR to me,

838
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Speaker 2: I don't like it. I want to know if you

839
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Speaker 2: won the game, it's the most.

840
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Speaker 5: Important to you.

841
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, but they don't have a category.

842
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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, Look, I think you actually brought up a

843
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 11: good point. I think one of the greatest traits of

844
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Speaker 11: a quarterback that is never discussed, especially in the evaluation

845
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Speaker 11: of it is their ability to avoid SAPs and avoid

846
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Speaker 11: negative plays that when you just look start looking at

847
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 11: the probabilities and the percentages of success on you know,

848
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Speaker 11: third and six versus third and ten, and just.

849
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Speaker 5: Like your ability to avoid negative plays.

850
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Speaker 11: And a lot of times too that could just be, Hey,

851
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 11: I have a decision when I walk up the line

852
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 11: of scrimmage to run the ball right, run the ball left,

853
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 11: run it inside, to run it outside. And the decision

854
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 11: that you make, in large part could be the difference

855
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Speaker 11: between a two or three yard gain or a one

856
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 11: yard loss. And so there's so many of these decisions

857
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Speaker 11: that are made within the framework of a game where

858
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Speaker 11: if I'm evaluating QBS and I'm sitting there watching the tape,

859
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Speaker 11: I want to know what type of decision maker they are,

860
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 11: because if they are making more good decisions, then good

861
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 11: results will follow. There's a lot of things that we

862
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 11: can fix fundamentally and whatever, Hey you missed a throw,

863
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 11: but you're true to the right place and you're on time.

864
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Speaker 11: That's fine, we can fix that, right, But if you

865
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Speaker 11: have a great decision making process and you're consistently making

866
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Speaker 11: good decisions and you're avoiding sacks and you're putting yourself

867
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Speaker 11: in favorable positions, meaning high probability for success positions, then

868
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Speaker 11: you're gonna win a ton of games. And I think

869
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Speaker 11: when you really start to break it down, that's what

870
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Speaker 11: you're looking for.

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Speaker 6: Great to catch up with you again.

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Speaker 2: Hope the family's well, and good luck with Jimmy Johns

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Speaker 2: and Boys and Girls Clubs of America.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, DP.

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Speaker 2: That's a future Hall of Famer there, Drew Brees. His

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Speaker 2: longest run twenty three yards. He ran for seven hundred

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Speaker 2: yards in his career. That's that's Lamar j That's a

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Speaker 2: down year for Lamar running. Buddy, wasn't paid right, You

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Speaker 2: weren't paid to run. You weren't paid to run. You

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Speaker 2: could have been elusive, right.

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Speaker 11: Hey, move the chase, get your team, Okay, I'd much

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Speaker 11: rather throw it to the guys.

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Speaker 6: Could you outrun Peyton Manning?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely? Smoke him, crush him. Could you outrun Tom He's

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Speaker 11: all torso?

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Speaker 5: Oh Brady, Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Brady would be at the twenty five yard line when

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Speaker 11: I crossed the forty?

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Speaker 6: Wow, how would you do against Lamar Jackson?

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Speaker 5: No, he would be at the forty

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Speaker 6: You're still competitive thank you Buddy,