Speaker 1: Hey, fan, Rito's just so you know, this episode today
Speaker 1: is talking about the Full House episode After Shocks. We're
Speaker 1: diving into it a little bit more with Jeff Franklin,
Speaker 1: our show's writer and creator. So if this might be
Speaker 1: something that's a little bit triggering for you, maybe you
Speaker 1: want to uskip this episode, but if not, please have
Speaker 1: a listen. We talk about all the wonderful things and
Speaker 1: the background of this episode, so it's super important and
Speaker 1: we hope you enjoy your listen.
Speaker 2: Hey fan, Rito's welcome to another minisode of How Rude Tanertos.
Speaker 2: Today's minisode is a little different. As we were watching
Speaker 2: the After Shocks episode, we realized that because we were
Speaker 2: so young at the time of filming, we still have
Speaker 2: a lot of questions that we need help answering. This
Speaker 2: episode is arguably one of the most important in Full
Speaker 2: House history. It was telecast less than two months after
Speaker 2: the real life Loma Prieta earthquake, which wrecked havoc upon
Speaker 2: San Francisco on October seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine. It registered
Speaker 2: as a six point nine magnitude on the Richter scale
Speaker 2: and caused the death of sixty three people, with thousands
Speaker 2: more injured. And over five billion dollars in property damage.
Speaker 2: The collapse of a section of the double decker Nimitz
Speaker 2: Freeway in Oakland was the site of the largest number
Speaker 2: of casualties, and boy, I can remember watching that newscast
Speaker 2: and that's just a haunting image from that time. To
Speaker 2: help us unpack what kind of discussions were taking place
Speaker 2: behind the scenes in the writer's room during this time,
Speaker 2: we have invited none other than Full House creator Jeff
Speaker 2: Franklin to the podcast today. We are so grateful to
Speaker 2: Jeff for being so generous with his time and his
Speaker 2: willingness to discuss what it was like navigating and writing
Speaker 2: a fictional script about a real life natural disaster. Please
Speaker 2: welcome Jeff Franklin. I, Jeff, I Jeff.
Speaker 3: You guys are good. I'm good. I'm good. This is
Speaker 3: a little froggy, so I apologize. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was just literally like sipping my gigantic water
Speaker 1: here because I also sound like that.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm sure it's anxiety because I have to talk.
Speaker 1: Oh, You're always great to always, That's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's anxiety because I have to talk to anyone else.
Speaker 2: You'd be like us He's like, not these nimrods again.
Speaker 2: They got more questions from me.
Speaker 3: No apartment.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I have one question, which
Speaker 1: is who is the man behind the in the white pants,
Speaker 1: behind the newspaper behind you there, it's a.
Speaker 3: Pictures it's hanging in an apartment.
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was buzz Alden. I thought it
Speaker 2: was an astronaut.
Speaker 1: He's wearing flip flops and like white leisure pants. I'd
Speaker 1: love to see buzz Aldroen like that. Really, it was
Speaker 1: right before you get take it off to the spaceship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Hi Jeff, Hi so happy you could join us.
Speaker 2: Thank you very very much for coming back on the
Speaker 2: podcast today.
Speaker 3: We're rolling.
Speaker 1: We just roll right into it. There's no Yeah, we
Speaker 1: do our intros and outros later. We just like to
Speaker 1: startle our guests by going right into it as soon
Speaker 1: as their face hits the.
Speaker 3: G Yeah, thanks for the one. We're in.
Speaker 2: So Jodi and I are reviewing the Aftershocks episode and
Speaker 2: we have a lot of questions because Jodie was seven,
Speaker 2: I was what fourteen, So we have a lot of
Speaker 2: questions because we don't remember a lot about that time
Speaker 2: and we weren't part of all these discussions that I
Speaker 2: assume you were having behind the scenes in the writer's
Speaker 2: room or with the other producers about this episode. So
Speaker 2: we wanted to talk to you today about what it
Speaker 2: was like in nineteen eighty nine. October seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 2: is when the real San Francisco earthquake happened. And it
Speaker 2: was a huge deal. I know, at least in southern California.
Speaker 2: It was all over the news, and I'm pretty sure nationwide.
Speaker 1: I mean nationwide, it was. It was quite a huge
Speaker 1: and natural disaster.
Speaker 3: It was. It was major. I think sixty sixty or
Speaker 3: seventy people died during that. Yeah, like three or four
Speaker 3: thousand people were injured. Yeah, both thousand people were homeless.
Speaker 3: The part of the upper deck of the Bay Bridge collapsed.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was all over the news. It was
Speaker 3: a six point nine earthquake. And it also happened the
Speaker 3: Giants were in the World Series and it was yeah
Speaker 3: three of the World Series.
Speaker 1: And that's right. And yeah, so what time does any
Speaker 1: what time was the earthquake?
Speaker 3: It was during the day.
Speaker 2: It was in the five o'clock hour, Okay, but I
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what that's because in the middle of
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 1: It was in the middle. What was in the middle
Speaker 1: of the game? I remember, and it was it was,
Speaker 1: but it was shower because we have had, you know,
Speaker 1: knock on everything, the fortune of in southern California, several
Speaker 1: of our larger earthquakes have been very very early morning
Speaker 1: for five o'clock in the morning, not a lot of
Speaker 1: people on the road, not a lot of people out
Speaker 1: at work like it has been. We've been fortunate in
Speaker 1: that regard. And this was not that. This was this
Speaker 1: was definitely travel time, and it was it was really
Speaker 1: hugely scary. Were we on set when that happened or
Speaker 1: was it for one of the after shocks, because I
Speaker 1: remember being on set it was.
Speaker 3: I think it was a I don't know why. I
Speaker 3: think it was a weekday. Yeah, I think we.
Speaker 1: Were, because I seem to remember us being there, and
Speaker 1: I remember it was when Perfect Strangers was shooting in
Speaker 1: the stage across from us, and I remember going out
Speaker 1: that big elephant door of the stage, or it probably
Speaker 1: wasn't open at the time, but that that end of
Speaker 1: the stage and like everybody kind of after everything stopped shaking,
Speaker 1: you know, because you're under like I was, say, it's
Speaker 1: terrifying to be on stage, particularly back then, under all
Speaker 1: of those huge lights and all of that equipment and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. You know, you have everyone kind of
Speaker 1: runs out to the audience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's scary to think that you
Speaker 3: know that that could have happened anytime in Los Angeles
Speaker 3: as well, and in fact, the yeah, we had a
Speaker 3: really bad one. But it was, as you said, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a big deal. And you know, because our show
Speaker 3: is set in San Francisco, it just seemed to just
Speaker 3: like we want to completely ignore.
Speaker 1: It, right, There was no way to be like anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it would be weird.
Speaker 3: Jay's got is it this week? Let's talk about right, right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so we wanted to. What was interesting about
Speaker 3: it to me was, yeah, I mean it was certainly
Speaker 3: frightening for everyone, no doubt, but especially for children. And uh,
Speaker 3: and so that you know, this is a show that
Speaker 3: obviously deals with parenting and children's problems, you know, every week.
Speaker 3: So it was, uh, it seemed like a you know,
Speaker 3: like something we should address. And it was also it
Speaker 3: was also oddly personal for me the way the story evolved,
Speaker 3: because you know, I wanted to I've been wanting to
Speaker 3: do a story about you know, these are these these dads,
Speaker 3: even though they're sort of clueless, always seemed to end
Speaker 3: up doing the right thing and instinctively know how to
Speaker 3: how to solve kids problems. And uh so I've been
Speaker 3: wanting to find a story where Danny, who is, you know,
Speaker 3: the most experienced parental figure on the show, you know,
Speaker 3: has no idea what to do about some problem with
Speaker 3: the kids. And so this sort of love that this
Speaker 3: presented itself as sort of the perfect episode about that
Speaker 3: about that storyline. So Stephanie is is freaked out about
Speaker 3: after the earthquake and will not tell Danny why, and
Speaker 3: and probably is it fully aware at age eight of
Speaker 3: why she's so freaked out.
Speaker 1: You know, that would make I mean, that happens so often,
Speaker 1: any sort of trauma, upheaval, anything like that, anything that
Speaker 1: scares kids oftentimes all of a sudden, their behavior, well
Speaker 1: vert they will you know, all of the things that
Speaker 1: steph you know, clean angry, scared, all of those sorts
Speaker 1: of things, but they don't even know why, like what happened.
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't know, everything's fine, but I don't
Speaker 1: think everything's fine.
Speaker 3: One it's clearly not right, you know, and this actually
Speaker 3: really struck a chord with me because I, you know,
Speaker 3: I also experienced a really horrible childhood trauma myself when
Speaker 3: I was four years old, and that was back in nineteen,
Speaker 3: you know, in the late fifties, and you know, child
Speaker 3: therapy was pretty non existent at that RT.
Speaker 1: There were no child no it was like, you'll be fine,
Speaker 1: you're a kid, You'll forget it. You'll yeah, you'll just
Speaker 1: shove that down like the rest of us.
Speaker 3: It looks, you know, and I had no ability to
Speaker 3: deal with it. You know. My my parents put me
Speaker 3: in therapy finally, but there was child therapy, so they
Speaker 3: took me to an adult therapist who was a Freudian
Speaker 3: therapist who had.
Speaker 1: All right, so you were like, talk about your mother, yeah,
Speaker 1: the year old guy dreams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, You're like, this is not it, this is not
Speaker 3: And that went on for four years, not for four
Speaker 3: minutes like we did in the episode. But so anyway,
Speaker 3: it felt, you know, it felt personal to me. I
Speaker 3: you know, I knew what, you know, firsthand, what it's
Speaker 3: like to be a kid and not be able to
Speaker 3: talk about what's wrong, what happened. So it was you know,
Speaker 3: It was a really important episode for me personally that
Speaker 3: we got to do that. And you know this, it
Speaker 3: sort of flipped in the episode because uh, Jesse and
Speaker 3: Joey were actually intelligent for for a minute.
Speaker 1: Here we have their moments, you know they do every
Speaker 1: once in a while they'll shine through.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, they were really the adults in this one
Speaker 3: telling Danny you know, it's okay, it's all right. If
Speaker 3: you can't solve every problem, go get some help.
Speaker 2: That was really powerful too.
Speaker 1: That was so huge and so important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to say, hey, you're not a failure as a
Speaker 2: parent because you don't know what's wrong with your kid.
Speaker 2: If you love your kid, you want to give them
Speaker 2: help that you buy like that is so powerful.
Speaker 3: And of course we you know, we have that attitude
Speaker 3: about anything you know, physical that's wrong with kids. This
Speaker 3: is course taking the doctor a while, but we don't
Speaker 3: always think, you know, if it's an emotional problem or
Speaker 3: mental problem that we that that's we need to go
Speaker 3: find a professor. It's great now that there's so you know,
Speaker 3: the I think the stigma has you know, has really
Speaker 3: come off of that. You know, I think I think
Speaker 3: it's a different time now and parents are more open
Speaker 3: to seeking help and there's far more options available. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you know, but back then it was it was
Speaker 3: that was not the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no idea that this was so personal
Speaker 1: for you. And I love that that it really was
Speaker 1: something that you had wanted to do and that this
Speaker 1: was just sort of the thing that presented itself, because
Speaker 1: you know, you're right, it is. It's easy to watch
Speaker 1: a show and be like, man, these people know everything
Speaker 1: and they've never even had kids, you know, like they're
Speaker 1: just sailing right along, and and it just really humanized
Speaker 1: the story for both Danny and Staff in that they
Speaker 1: were both struggling and didn't know quite how to handle it,
Speaker 1: and like that's okay that you know, it's sometimes you
Speaker 1: just don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was fun that Danny was so I
Speaker 3: was so happy that, you know, to have Stephanie's full
Speaker 3: attention for a minute, right, that's flattering for him. So
Speaker 3: he was, you know, right the beginning, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is great. I don't know why this is happening.
Speaker 1: Great, And that happens right somebody's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they're suddenly they're so like cuddly and they just want
Speaker 1: to be here. And you're like, yeah, but they aren't always.
Speaker 2: That way, so that's yeah, what made you choose Stephanie
Speaker 2: to write this episode about instead of DJ or Michelle?
Speaker 3: I think she was just the for so she was
Speaker 3: sort of the right age, you know to internalize the
Speaker 3: danger sort of. Uh sall was still a little young,
Speaker 3: and DJ was a you know, pretty together kid and
Speaker 3: maybe you know, wouldn't have reacted so emotionally about it,
Speaker 3: able to talk about it easier, So that just seemed
Speaker 3: to make sense, And it also is more. It's also
Speaker 3: was powerful because Stephanie is so you know, it's just
Speaker 3: such a smart, together kid that you know that it
Speaker 3: was more poignant. I thought to have Stephanie haves to
Speaker 3: deal with this. What was obviously writing underneath this episode
Speaker 3: is you know the fact that she's already lost one
Speaker 3: parent and all those fears you know about if something
Speaker 3: happened to my dad. You know, we're so much more triggering,
Speaker 3: right a kid who only has one, you know, one
Speaker 3: parent left. So that we didn't really make the I
Speaker 3: didn't want to make the episode about that because it
Speaker 3: was strong enough without it. I felt, right we had
Speaker 3: kind of gone to the the dead mom. Well, you
Speaker 3: know a few times recently, Right, you don't want to,
Speaker 3: you know, keep going there every week.
Speaker 1: You know, the right, Yeah, well we're Stephan therapy for
Speaker 1: longer than four minutes. I'm sure that that would be
Speaker 1: to get addressed, that would get brought up. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that, and that was but it was you
Speaker 1: didn't have to say it, but it was so present
Speaker 1: in the episode of both Danny's enjoyment of being you know,
Speaker 1: because he's the only parent, so that sort of has shifted,
Speaker 1: so he likes all the attention and and you know,
Speaker 1: it's been so many things going on in this family's
Speaker 1: life that like you just know that of course now
Speaker 1: with dad not and when you find out that he
Speaker 1: wasn't home for three hours and you know, again in
Speaker 1: the days before cell phones, yeah, no where anybody was
Speaker 1: so in between you know, getting home and whatever it was,
Speaker 1: you didn't know where people were and where parents were.
Speaker 1: And that was terrifying. And yeah, that made such a
Speaker 1: It's just so clicked when she was like, you're you
Speaker 1: weren't home. We didn't know where you were, and it
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. Of course Steph's like, is
Speaker 1: dad gone too?
Speaker 3: I think there were Patres in those days, weren't there.
Speaker 3: I was watching the show and I was thinking, one
Speaker 3: of this, why didn't we just have Stephanie.
Speaker 1: Get There were, but I think they were. It was
Speaker 1: like we were still in the era of like doctors
Speaker 1: had pagers, doctors and drug pretty much, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like you you didn't have like it wasn't
Speaker 1: like high schoolers had pagers yet. I feel like that
Speaker 1: was my like high school era sort of nineties, but
Speaker 1: like this, the pagers were probably you know, would have
Speaker 1: been the size of a of a VHS tape that
Speaker 1: you had to wear, like in a special pack I'm
Speaker 1: sure at.
Speaker 3: That time, but it was it's not a fanny packet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like the cell phones, but it was
Speaker 1: like just a satellite phone like the you know, Diehard
Speaker 1: or whatever. They're carrying it on their shoulder. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that I think it was. We were in the age
Speaker 1: before immediate gratification of knowing where someone is or being
Speaker 1: able to respond quickly, right right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm kind of I'm kind of glad
Speaker 3: we did the show back in that age because yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, we did four House in the age of
Speaker 3: social media, and it's it's stressful.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: On the one hand, it's great publicity, you know, and
Speaker 3: it's right, it's instantaneous, and you know, you can publicize
Speaker 3: the show in a whole different way than you could
Speaker 3: back then. But you know, it's great that I didn't
Speaker 3: have to read comments, you know, go down, go down.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, it never never read the comments, never comments
Speaker 1: that idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really and I didn't know how good
Speaker 3: we had it.
Speaker 1: But right now what bleet. The show takes place. It's
Speaker 1: like two weeks I think after the earthquake has happened,
Speaker 1: and Kimmy has been staying at the house because there
Speaker 1: was some damage to her room and things like that.
Speaker 1: So we kind of set it up. But was it
Speaker 1: I mean obviously intentional that you didn't you were like,
Speaker 1: let's not recreate an earthquake, but to make it to
Speaker 1: where there was enough time that the house looked normal,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like so jarring in that respect, or
Speaker 1: were you like, we should try that and then you
Speaker 1: maybe try to adjust as you went such.
Speaker 3: A big event and we got the show shot so
Speaker 3: fast and on the air. I think it aired maybe
Speaker 3: three or three weeks after the earthquake. You know, it
Speaker 3: was unreally fast.
Speaker 1: It was less than so yeah, yeah, a couple of months,
Speaker 1: five or six weeks.
Speaker 3: We didn't want to, you know, traumatize people away work.
Speaker 3: That's a good point, you know, And they're not funny,
Speaker 3: although I didn't earning Suley episode about an earthquake, which
Speaker 3: was which was which we did make funny, but yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I think we just wanted to remind everybody
Speaker 3: that there was an earthquake and then just tell a story. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So the Kimmy staying there was just the fun advice
Speaker 3: or device to get to get that backstory out and
Speaker 3: to have her living there, of course is always right fun.
Speaker 2: Did you approach Janice or Jody about because this was
Speaker 2: this was a pretty heavy episode, so I don't know
Speaker 2: if you talked to Jody about this or Janis about
Speaker 2: kind of the sensitivity of it.
Speaker 3: Probably didn't talk to Jody about it. Now, I would
Speaker 3: have talked to Janice, you know, I don't remember any details,
Speaker 3: but you know, I would have. I would have. It
Speaker 3: was my practice always talk to the parents if there
Speaker 3: was something, you know, if it was a heavy episode,
Speaker 3: and just make sure that you know that they were
Speaker 3: okay with it, and there's nothing I should know, and
Speaker 3: you know, is this a good idea? Just kind of
Speaker 3: just you know, I always had those meetings.
Speaker 2: We appreciate that as as former child actors and as
Speaker 2: adults now. And we've heard that doesn't that didn't happen
Speaker 2: on every show, Like we've heard stories about how child
Speaker 2: actors were have to do these really embarrassing things and
Speaker 2: the writers like whatever, like there was no consent involved
Speaker 2: with that, So I really we just really appreciate that, yeah,
Speaker 2: or consideration. Yeah, you always were very good at that,
Speaker 2: and I'm for you.
Speaker 3: Guys threw enough embarrassing moments, that's the least, you.
Speaker 1: Know what A lot of that though, Jeff was just
Speaker 1: the eighties. It was just an embarrassing time for everyone.
Speaker 1: I've got pictures of all of us with some hair
Speaker 1: that we'd rather forget, so it's it was the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, thank you.
Speaker 2: Does anyone remember the viewer response to this episode was
Speaker 2: obviously was too young, so I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the only response we really got
Speaker 3: was first of all, the taping where the response. I mean,
Speaker 3: those those tapings were always fun. I mean, nobody was
Speaker 3: ever mad at the shows, so right, but it was
Speaker 3: but I can tell when an audience is engaged and
Speaker 3: involved into the story, and you know, so you get
Speaker 3: the immediate feedback when we take the show. There were
Speaker 3: some reviews of the episode that were surprised, you know
Speaker 3: that we're nobody was hating on it because.
Speaker 1: They were surprisingly good because we never got those yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, they let us off you know, the
Speaker 3: hook on that one, so you know, and they like,
Speaker 3: I think those special episodes we did. You know, all
Speaker 3: the shows would sort of do one or two of
Speaker 3: those a season, it felt like. But but we you know,
Speaker 3: I remember that we did get We did a couple.
Speaker 3: We did a couple of them that season, and they
Speaker 3: all turned out pretty well, and we ended up getting
Speaker 3: some really nice reviews and we ended up That was
Speaker 3: the year that Tom Bradley, who was the mayor of LA.
Speaker 1: Declared that's right at city all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to go down there.
Speaker 1: And you still have that hanging in your in your hallway,
Speaker 1: don't you? Or you did somewhere in your office or
Speaker 1: something is the Yeah, the City of l a full
Speaker 1: house day declaration.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had some proclamation that I got framed.
Speaker 1: Because it was pretty what day is it? And why
Speaker 1: is it not a national yet. That's my question, Jeff,
Speaker 1: and a paid national holidays. This should be a bank holiday.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, I feel like this should be at
Speaker 1: least a three or fourty weekend.
Speaker 3: I don't under stand at all.
Speaker 2: I have to look up Maddie. Our producers probably typing
Speaker 2: it out right now.
Speaker 1: The straight House Day, Yeah exactly. Yeah, we're having a
Speaker 1: huge celebration.
Speaker 2: We're having a party at your house.
Speaker 1: Whatever day it is, Jeff, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jeff Little.
Speaker 3: Did you know I think yeah, I think full House
Speaker 3: Day at least in Los Angeles because it was proclaimed
Speaker 3: for how it was in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a piece of paper that states it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so take your you know, national donut Day or whatever,
Speaker 1: and well let's not take the national dontate. It's very sacred.
Speaker 1: But you know, we're up there, we're up there. I
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because I don't. I weirdly don't
Speaker 1: remember a ton about like my feelings about this episode.
Speaker 1: But I definitely I remember doing the drawing, like they
Speaker 1: had me do the house drawing and stuff.
Speaker 3: I recognized.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's it's my signature style, the stick people
Speaker 1: and uh no, but it was like I remember doing that,
Speaker 1: and I remember I just remember like being really excited
Speaker 1: to get to do something sort of different on the
Speaker 1: show that wasn't just the like silly and whatever, but
Speaker 1: something that was a little more like, oh, there's a
Speaker 1: you know, stuff's got like a little bit of a
Speaker 1: of a problem that's you know, needs to be addressed.
Speaker 1: Like it was kindind of it was neat as a
Speaker 1: kid to be able to bring that to life and
Speaker 1: you know and realize that like there were probably other
Speaker 1: kids out there who were scared, and I was getting
Speaker 1: to maybe represent something for them. Like I will say
Speaker 1: that I definitely felt that interesting. Yeah, you know that
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this was a big scary thing
Speaker 1: and like maybe we can help other people get through
Speaker 1: you know, get through this too.
Speaker 2: That's quite a heavy responsibility at age eight, Like that's
Speaker 2: that's amazing that you well you were always very perceptive too,
Speaker 2: but just that you felt that responsibility of you know,
Speaker 2: this could help other people, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I yeah, that I just definitely I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I just remember being like I knew
Speaker 1: that that would be important to people. I guess because
Speaker 1: you know, when fans would come up and talk about
Speaker 1: episodes that meant something to them or whatever as kids
Speaker 1: like when they were little or their parents or something
Speaker 1: like you kind of picked up on it even you know,
Speaker 1: I was seven, eight years old, Like I knew that
Speaker 1: there were episodes that meant a lot to people, and
Speaker 1: I had a feeling this would be one of them.
Speaker 3: Teaching America how to dance and in this in this episode,
Speaker 3: you got a lot on your shoulders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I taught America about therapy and I yeah, no,
Speaker 1: but I mean it was it was like not something
Speaker 1: like you said, It was not something that was as
Speaker 1: common or accessible now or as as talked about, and
Speaker 1: it was. It was such a great storyline that really
Speaker 1: showed both of Danny and Steph's kind of transformation through it.
Speaker 1: And there hesitancy and you know, and it's such a
Speaker 1: like such a parental thing to be like, nothing's wrong
Speaker 1: with my kid, Like there's nothing wrong with them. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't fix everything.
Speaker 2: They just need a little help.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Can we talk about the little girl in the therapy
Speaker 2: scene that Stephanie talks to when she walks in. I
Speaker 2: want to make sure I get my facts right before
Speaker 2: I say this. She was a well make a wish
Speaker 2: or a Starlight Foundation child. And I heard that Jet.
Speaker 2: Well what I heard, Jeff, is that you heard about
Speaker 2: her and her wish was that she always wanted to
Speaker 2: be a movie star and she was a fan of
Speaker 2: Full House. So you invited her to be part of
Speaker 2: this episode and she just had that one line. You know,
Speaker 2: it was a really quick bit, but yeah, you you
Speaker 2: made her wish come true and she got to be
Speaker 2: a movie star for just a few minutes and interact
Speaker 2: with Jodie Sweeten in a scene. And I just, yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought that was so great.
Speaker 3: We did a lot of those kinds of things over
Speaker 3: the years. It was, you know, whenever we could, we
Speaker 3: would we would do that. We had I mean we
Speaker 3: had kids, sick kids whatever, panticapped kids, whatever on the
Speaker 3: set constantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did it was I remember always loving that
Speaker 1: we got to do so much special stuff like that
Speaker 1: for kids who loved the show. But yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: remember that, that's right now that you bring it up,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's right, she I do remember
Speaker 1: that about that.
Speaker 3: She was.
Speaker 1: That she Yeah, she was very sweet and like super
Speaker 1: excited to be on the show.
Speaker 2: You can see it on her face too. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: she doesn't seem like an child actor, but she seems
Speaker 2: really happy to be there. So yeah, I did a
Speaker 2: little investigating. Yeah, it was just it made a wonderful episode,
Speaker 2: just even more heartwarming learning that fact. So yeah, that
Speaker 2: was that was great. I remember after tapings we would
Speaker 2: invite the children to make a wish foundation children onto
Speaker 2: the stage and meet the cast and take a big
Speaker 2: photo together, and you know, it's only a few minutes
Speaker 2: of an interaction, but it was. It's a very We
Speaker 2: never take that for granted, just how powerful those interactions are.
Speaker 2: We're always grateful for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think it's not only a nice thing
Speaker 3: to do for them, but it also is you know,
Speaker 3: it was great for Its great for us, you know,
Speaker 3: to try to you know, get back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we were, I mean we were and John
Speaker 1: was really active. Really yeah. John always has been. It's
Speaker 1: like super super involved in that.
Speaker 3: Yes, he was driving a lot of that as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you still know what another neat memory about this
Speaker 1: episode was that we got to include include somebody you know,
Speaker 1: who might not have had the opportunity to have that
Speaker 1: wish fulfilled otherwise. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Wow, this was
Speaker 1: this was I you know, it was interesting. I remembered
Speaker 1: the drawing and I but it kind of I remember
Speaker 1: being back in that office with you know, the therapist
Speaker 1: and everything, uh when we walked in, and yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it was just such an important episode that I I
Speaker 1: hadn't thought about in years.
Speaker 2: And great by the bye. Nancy Dusseau as the therapist, Like,
Speaker 2: she was perfect as the therap She will love it.
Speaker 1: Too Close for Close for Comfort, Yeah, yep, she played.
Speaker 1: I loved that show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh that's so great. Yeah. We had Lydia
Speaker 2: Cornell on the podcast a few months ago. She played
Speaker 2: Signorita Mosley. Yes, and so she Lydia Cornell played the daughter,
Speaker 2: one of the daughters on Too Close to Yeah, Lydia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was great.
Speaker 2: She's such a I mean, she's just a fantastic human
Speaker 2: being and a bombshell.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that we used to we used to
Speaker 3: date you and Lydia Cornell.
Speaker 1: She did not tell us that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was it was right when the show started.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: She did not.
Speaker 1: She was good one, Jeff.
Speaker 3: I like it was my only appearance in all the
Speaker 3: you know, the like the Inquirer and all those magazines.
Speaker 3: We were at some premiere and we got, you know,
Speaker 3: somehow our picture got like everywhere.
Speaker 1: Blue You're covered, couldn't couldn't go out in public sense?
Speaker 3: Oh no, it was like it was they were doing
Speaker 3: a fashion review and I was wearing this skinny pink to.
Speaker 1: Yes, the skinny ties the eighties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it made a point of talking about how
Speaker 3: hip I looked.
Speaker 1: What was it a bolo tie because if it was little,
Speaker 1: Oh no, it was. It actually just one of the
Speaker 1: skinny little.
Speaker 3: White shirt, black jacket.
Speaker 1: I can picture it now, just in all of your
Speaker 1: Don Johnson glory.
Speaker 2: That's quite a fifteen seconds of face.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 1: Well overall, How like, was this one of the episodes
Speaker 1: that you were really proud of that full House did? Like,
Speaker 1: how did it kind of rank in your overall?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was one of you know, the ones where
Speaker 3: I where I get to sort of feel like I'm
Speaker 3: using my life or my experience. Those are always a
Speaker 3: little more personal to me. And I thought it turned
Speaker 3: out really well, and I was it was kind of
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, it was I just sort
Speaker 3: of thought we maybe could be helpful to some kids,
Speaker 3: and you know, it came together really, it was really fast.
Speaker 3: You wrote it in and it just we just made
Speaker 3: it happen quickly. But yeah, it's it's in there, and
Speaker 3: it's on the list of good you know episodes.
Speaker 2: Did you consult with any mental health professionals about how
Speaker 2: to write those things?
Speaker 3: You did? Okay? I talked to trauma specialists at u
Speaker 3: C l A and just just I don't know, just
Speaker 3: send in the script and said, you know, this looks
Speaker 3: does this feel right? Does this look right? Anything else
Speaker 3: we should.
Speaker 2: Think about or oh that's great, that's yeah. You don't
Speaker 2: want to mess up the therapy scene. That would be
Speaker 2: really bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least I can say it's his fault, like.
Speaker 1: I ran this buy for someone to approve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the therapy scene was perfect. As somebody who's been
Speaker 2: through a lot of therapy, I'm like, this is right
Speaker 2: spot all and is so good?
Speaker 3: It was? It was you know, usually it's not quite
Speaker 3: so simple. You know, the kid draws a picture and
Speaker 3: all we figured out.
Speaker 1: It was like it said, probably the best you know,
Speaker 1: sixty five dollars cope that you know they've ever spent
Speaker 1: on health insurance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but I think in this case, it was,
Speaker 3: you know, we wanted to get to the point, so
Speaker 3: we took the liberty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we couldn't really wrap that up in season eight,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, finally we figured out what
Speaker 1: stuff It's been a few years. We really dug deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could have done an episode of Fuller House
Speaker 2: with Stephanie three years later.
Speaker 1: Years later, like I still don't know, you're still drawing
Speaker 1: pictures with a crack in the ceiling. Yeah, still yeah, still, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I it was. It was a really great scene because
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like it didn't feel shoehorned in, even
Speaker 1: though we knew, like you had we you know, we
Speaker 1: had to get to the point within a certain amount
Speaker 1: of time. Like it didn't feel totally forced, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It felt like this was because it
Speaker 1: was the way that stuff like just drew sort of
Speaker 1: things that were as kids do that tell you a
Speaker 1: lot about what they're thinking when they're drawing a picture,
Speaker 1: and where people are and how they're related and how
Speaker 1: they're you know, just all of that stuff was so subtle.
Speaker 3: But and the other good part of the scene was,
Speaker 3: you know, which we didn't, which we should have followed
Speaker 3: up on. She quickly figured out that Danny needed lots
Speaker 3: of therapy. That his Yeah, we're symptomatic of much deeper issues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Danny's had some serious anxiety issues.
Speaker 3: We should have gone, but it's too much fun.
Speaker 1: The Full House in therapy. That's the that's the third
Speaker 1: iteration of the show. It's just the it's it's the
Speaker 1: Sopranos meets Full House and they're all in the therapist's office.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The full House is a residential treatment home living there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just they're all like, I have we we need
Speaker 1: some help. We've all lived together for thirty seven years
Speaker 1: and we're still in this house.
Speaker 3: Uncle Jesse keeps playing therapists on TV now.
Speaker 1: Every time I write, I would have thought it would
Speaker 1: have been Michelle.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We always joke that everyone in the house goes to
Speaker 1: Michelle for all of their all of their life advice.
Speaker 1: It really seems to be like, if you're having if
Speaker 1: you're freaking out about your relationship, you should go talk
Speaker 1: to Michelle.
Speaker 2: Well, in season three she was a good sounding board
Speaker 2: because she didn't talk a whole lot.
Speaker 4: She didn't talk back, right, true, Yes, she's just like
Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean, you got it dude. Right, Well, Jeff,
Speaker 4: thank you so much.
Speaker 1: This was so great to get a little bit of
Speaker 1: the sort of background and the personal ties to this
Speaker 1: episode and and what it was like making a show
Speaker 1: about something that was, you know, happening and affecting people
Speaker 1: kind of in real time and like very in very
Speaker 1: recent Yeah, you know, history that we were addressing on
Speaker 1: the show, and that was you know, most of our
Speaker 1: Shores shows were kind of evergreen and whatever, but this
Speaker 1: was definitely a very timely relevant episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of strange, I guess for people watching
Speaker 3: it now to kind of go, what what are they
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it still applies today, Like we
Speaker 2: had an earthquake last week and the week before that,
Speaker 2: and I mean not as seriously obviously, but no, I
Speaker 2: think the lessons still apply today, and it's it's timeless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the and the lesson that sometimes times, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't have to mean that something's wrong or
Speaker 1: that you're a bad parent, but sometimes you've got to
Speaker 1: you know, call in some reinforcements and get some help.
Speaker 1: And that's totally okay. And that was a really big
Speaker 1: statement at that time in the show.
Speaker 2: Well done, Jeff, well done.
Speaker 3: It's amazing that we get to sit here whatever thirty
Speaker 3: five years later and dissect the should right you guys
Speaker 3: as adults. It's it's real. It blows my mind that
Speaker 3: it's so great.
Speaker 1: I love so much. It's it's so I know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I never thought when I, you know, drew that that
Speaker 1: a little drawing back then thirty seven plus years ago,
Speaker 1: that it would we'd be discussing it today and no idea,
Speaker 1: none how cool but what a yeah, what a what
Speaker 1: a gift in that you know again, we uh, we
Speaker 1: always got to address things that people really really remembered
Speaker 1: and made a difference. So a job, my friend, Mmm
Speaker 1: are thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Jeff again, ya don't sorry, We'll torment you more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll be like, hey, has your anxiety recovered? That's what
Speaker 1: we want you to come talk somewhere.
Speaker 2: Any of the other special episodes coming up. We're gonna
Speaker 2: call you because we'll have questions. Yes, thanks, Jay, I
Speaker 2: love you, love you all right bye?
Speaker 1: That was so great such I had I I had
Speaker 1: no idea that it was came from like a personal
Speaker 1: experience of his and I'm so yeah honored. He shared
Speaker 1: that with everybody, like and just you know, said that
Speaker 1: because that was and yeah, that was at a time again,
Speaker 1: I mean when he was little that they you really
Speaker 1: didn't it was the sixties, late fifties. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: what an important topic to discuss. I'm so proud of
Speaker 1: again of full House and of getting to be a
Speaker 1: character who you know sort of like the duck Face
Speaker 1: episode and that you know that really was had like
Speaker 1: a big impactful storyline, an episode about something that was
Speaker 1: really scary at the time. Yeah, you know. Our our
Speaker 1: producer by the way, said it happened on a Tuesday
Speaker 1: at five or four pm and it was in the
Speaker 1: middle of a run through.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the time we had run through run through. Wow,
Speaker 2: because we could still even though San Francisco's far away
Speaker 2: from Los Angeles, you.
Speaker 1: Could still feel it. So we felt it very strongly,
Speaker 1: very strongly. And yeah, we felt it quite a bit.
Speaker 1: And again, being on a sound stage with gigantic lights
Speaker 1: swinging over your head, you know, you feel it even
Speaker 1: more because it just sounds like sound freight trade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I remember it. I remember I don't know who,
Speaker 1: I remember standing, Bob or John or somebody, and we
Speaker 1: were down at that end of the set, like where
Speaker 1: the shape shifting backyard was. Oh yeah, and I just
Speaker 1: remember we all kind of ran. Do we ever do
Speaker 1: like drill drills?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I remember doing drills because like where do you go
Speaker 2: in school? They teach you to go under your desk?
Speaker 1: But like I think it was, wasn't it towards the
Speaker 1: wasn't it was it to the audience because us, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the bleachers, because I think they didn't have stuff hanging
Speaker 1: over the bleachers right right, So I think we werether
Speaker 1: than the microphones and stuff that was like your clearest
Speaker 1: sort of spot was over there because there was no
Speaker 1: lights or anything like that. And then we all had
Speaker 1: to kind of file outside and yeah.
Speaker 2: I head count right right. Oh yeah, they got to
Speaker 2: do roll call.
Speaker 1: Make sure everyone's accounted, all of our ads, yep, make
Speaker 1: sure everybody's accounted for, make sure you're out. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a yeah, the whole thing. Oh yeah, And I seem
Speaker 1: but perfect Strangers was across the thing from us. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: And I seem to remember they were all filing out.
Speaker 1: He was filing out too, and there we were gosh,
Speaker 1: marklin Baker and Mark Bacon joke. Yeah, we're all surviving
Speaker 1: earthquakes together. Yeah, but I agree with it.
Speaker 2: It was so satisfying to hear Jeff say how personal
Speaker 2: this episode was to him, because you just never know.
Speaker 1: It's like, did he feel obligated to write it right
Speaker 1: because we gotta address this you're in San Francisco. But
Speaker 1: he really found that he was looking for that e
Speaker 1: for a story that fits that episode, that fit the
Speaker 1: idea that you know that and also the idea that
Speaker 1: you know Danny needed help and that it was okay.
Speaker 1: Like that was such an important lesson for parents, and
Speaker 1: I still there's so many parents out there if it
Speaker 1: need to hear that that therapy and outside help your
Speaker 1: kids or yourself does not mean that you're broken or
Speaker 1: that something's wrong or that It just means that, just
Speaker 1: like if you had something wrong with your arm, you
Speaker 1: go to the doctor for it. And this is just
Speaker 1: such a huge lesson. Still, it's okay to ask for
Speaker 1: help as a parent, as a kid.
Speaker 2: It's not a sign of weakness. It's a sign of
Speaker 2: strength that you know yourself well enough and you're willing
Speaker 2: to go outside to get more help. So, yeah, I agree,
Speaker 2: this episode is fantastic, just such a great episode.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad. I just love having Jeff on the episode,
Speaker 1: and it does makes me so happy to think that
Speaker 1: we get to sit here decades later and all sit
Speaker 1: around and dissect an episode of Full House together.
Speaker 2: That was so cool, Like for all the fanaritos listening.
Speaker 2: And I know it's cool for the fanaritos to hear this,
Speaker 2: but it was equally as cool for you and me, Jody,
Speaker 2: to talk to Jeff about.
Speaker 1: You now what I have to say, though it's gonna
Speaker 1: this episode, I really wished Bob was here because I
Speaker 1: would have loved to have had him on the episode
Speaker 1: to be like, what was it like as a parent? Yeah,
Speaker 1: to bring that to life? What was you know?
Speaker 2: He would have had a lot of thoughts in a
Speaker 2: lot of words to share about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, about getting your kids help and and you know,
Speaker 1: I just it made me, uh and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just something about this episode. There were just a
Speaker 1: couple of sweet moments with Bob where he, you know,
Speaker 1: gave me a hug or a kiss on the head
Speaker 1: or something, or I was sitting on his lap or
Speaker 1: something in this episode, and I just remembered, Uh, how
Speaker 1: wonderfully close he and I were, and how he was
Speaker 1: just so warm and kind to me as a as
Speaker 1: a kid. And yeah, just because that you.
Speaker 2: Can see it and you can feel you can feel
Speaker 2: it as an audience member, you can feel that connection
Speaker 2: between you two and that love. And yeah, yeah I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't think about that as you were watching it,
Speaker 2: how that would feel. Yeah, I just Bob, Bob is
Speaker 2: so outstanding, and.
Speaker 1: It's so outstanding, and I just I always remember, you know,
Speaker 1: I was. I was just as I look through pictures
Speaker 1: of the show and stuff, I'm always sit next to Bob.
Speaker 1: I was like sitting on his lap, sitting next to him,
Speaker 1: kind of like I just was, you know, like I
Speaker 1: just see so many of these pictures and I'm like
Speaker 1: I kind of just owled around with him as a kid,
Speaker 1: and I remember it, and he and this was one
Speaker 1: of those episodes that I definitely remembered that, so it
Speaker 1: was it was an important one.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, so we miss you, Bob.
Speaker 1: We miss you Mob miss you Bob. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Know how to transition out of that.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to transition, yeah, a transition to
Speaker 1: an outro. All I want to do is make an
Speaker 1: inappropriate joke because that's what Bob would have done. But
Speaker 1: I feel like our audience which would be like horrified,
Speaker 1: so I'll I'll just keep it serious. But just know
Speaker 1: it's there, guys, Just know it's there, and that Bob
Speaker 1: would be proud. Anyway. We love you, guys, We love
Speaker 1: you fan Yep, thank you, and uh and remember it's
Speaker 1: okay to ask for help. So yeah, keep fall See
Speaker 1: I'm a transition. I'm like, what are we doing for
Speaker 1: ending the podcast? We're ending. Take your time thinking to
Speaker 1: us at how Rude podcast on Instagram where you can
Speaker 1: get fun behind the scenes stuff and pictures and all
Speaker 1: that jazz. Uh, and then make sure that you're liking
Speaker 1: and subscribing to the podcast wherever you're listening to it
Speaker 1: on whatever platform so that you can get all the
Speaker 1: new episodes when they come out. And uh, yeah, remember guys,
Speaker 1: the world is small, but the therapist office isn't full.
Speaker 3: It's always room for.
Speaker 2: More, always room for more.
Speaker 1: That was such a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, bravo, Jody.
Speaker 1: The world is small, but the therapist office door is open.
Speaker 1: There we go, that's what it is. But the therapist
Speaker 1: office door is open. Yeah, that's it. Yes chef's kiss
Speaker 3: And