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Speaker 2: until election day. Harris is making some really interesting speeches
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: What are you seeing today?
Speaker 1: Harris gave a speech that focused on the economy and
Speaker 1: her economic plans. You'll remember mainstream media has been seriously,
Speaker 1: seriously offended that Harris has not released enough clear, very concise.
Speaker 1: They're looking for a three hundred page policy paper. And
Speaker 1: you'll remember Donald Trump has dropped such nuggets as childcare
Speaker 1: as childcare. So we're seeing Harris give a really detailed
Speaker 1: speech at the Economic Club of Pennsylvania, so the must
Speaker 1: win state of Pennsylvania with its nineteen electoral College votes.
Speaker 1: Laid out a sort of eighty page policy paper that
Speaker 1: included cutting taxes for the middle class, investing in small businesses,
Speaker 1: and I think a really important top line there was
Speaker 1: she said she would not be constrained by ideology and
Speaker 1: she would instead seek practical solutions to problems. Her speech
Speaker 1: was followed by an appearance by mister Trump in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: where he did not mention the late great Hannibal Lecter,
Speaker 1: but he did quite a lot of the usual riffing.
Speaker 3: That's what I call progress.
Speaker 1: That's what I call progress.
Speaker 2: My jag fast, I saw this tweet come down the
Speaker 2: pike about these grim, grim abortion statistics coming out of
Speaker 2: the South.
Speaker 3: What did you see there?
Speaker 1: So two states have and they've did this before the
Speaker 1: overturning of Rob Wade, but they've been doing it even
Speaker 1: more now. A study came out to find that the
Speaker 1: number of women charged with crimes related to their pregnancies
Speaker 1: jumped the year after the US Supreme Court overturned Row
Speaker 1: So now we're seeing in these two states, Alabama and Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: women are actually being charged. They're being charged for endangering
Speaker 1: the life of their fetuses. They can be jailed. It
Speaker 1: does two things here. What this does is it makes
Speaker 1: it easier if the state wants to take away your child,
Speaker 1: and if they want to take away your if you
Speaker 1: already have a child, that will help them with that.
Speaker 1: And then also you can end up being jailed while pregnant.
Speaker 1: And again I think some of this really is a
Speaker 1: way the state wants to maybe take away the children. Also,
Speaker 1: you're seeing people who are like deliver a stillborn baby.
Speaker 1: An example here a story is that this woman Wendy Baker,
Speaker 1: professor at the University of Tennessee, was one of the
Speaker 1: lead researchers on this project. She said, a woman delivered
Speaker 1: a stillborn baby at her home and then she went
Speaker 1: to the funeral home to make arrangements, and the funeral
Speaker 1: home alert bit the authorities, and the woman was charged
Speaker 1: with homicide. So we're going to see more of that.
Speaker 1: But the sort of states where we're really starting to
Speaker 1: see it, and we've seen it before but it's gotten
Speaker 1: worse is Oklahoma and Alabama. Much of this is in Alabama.
Speaker 1: You know, misogyny is not just happening with women in abortion.
Speaker 1: It's also happening with the Republican Senate candidates in Ohio.
Speaker 2: So one of the things I think about a lot
Speaker 2: is obviously shared. Brown is an amazing candidate, But one
Speaker 2: of the gifts he's really had is that man he
Speaker 2: has run against some fucking dunces in the past, I
Speaker 2: Josh Mandel, Jim Urnassi, and Bertie Marino is telling them
Speaker 2: all to hold his beer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll remember. Bernie Marino is known most famously for
Speaker 1: having owned car dealerships. He was no one's first choice
Speaker 1: except for Donald Trumps. He is exactly the candidate one
Speaker 1: might think he would be. Marino in Ohio he mocked
Speaker 1: women for caring about abortion, and he said it's a
Speaker 1: little crazy, by the way, especially for women who are
Speaker 1: like past fifty. Mister Marino said, drawing laughter from the crowd.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, I don't think that's an issue
Speaker 1: for you. Now you'll remember that Jade Vance also got
Speaker 1: in trouble for wondering pondering if there was any use
Speaker 1: for post metopausal women. Nikki Haley, who is not at
Speaker 1: all brave even a little bit. She did, in fact,
Speaker 1: tweet are you trying to lose the election? Asking for
Speaker 1: a friend? I assume that friend is her. She repeated
Speaker 1: this quote from Bernie Marino, which said, sadly, by the way,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of suburban women, a lot of suburban
Speaker 1: women that are like listen, abortion is. I don't think
Speaker 1: making fun of people for what they care about as
Speaker 1: voters is going to help you win an election, but
Speaker 1: I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: I saw that all those books I read on how
Speaker 2: to win elections just make fun of the voter's passions.
Speaker 1: Yes, what voters care about, make fun of it and
Speaker 1: tell them they're stupid for caring about it. So we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. Ohio is a tight state, but right
Speaker 1: now Sharon Brown is winning by a view points.
Speaker 3: I noticed too.
Speaker 2: One of Donald Trump's favorite things to talk about is
Speaker 2: Kamala and the border, and she's going to it.
Speaker 3: What are you seeing there?
Speaker 1: So you'll remember, Donald Trump actually rejected this border legislation
Speaker 1: that was cooked up by James Langford, super super super
Speaker 1: conservative Senator James Langford. You know, the whole idea was
Speaker 1: Trump wanted that Biden Harris administration to fail on this
Speaker 1: and to make it so hard for them. And Trump
Speaker 1: really did think the border was something he could run on.
Speaker 1: So now what Harris is doing, I think this is
Speaker 1: the same as when She's shot across the stage and
Speaker 1: shook Donald Trump's hand at the beginning of the debate,
Speaker 1: which he is doing. She's trying not to let him
Speaker 1: intimidate her, so she's going to the border. Look, fundamentally,
Speaker 1: the problem with the border, and you and I both
Speaker 1: know this because we've done like a million interviews with
Speaker 1: legislators in those areas, is they don't have money. They
Speaker 1: don't have money for judges, they don't have money for deportation,
Speaker 1: they don't have money for putting people, processing people. They
Speaker 1: don't have the money they need. So the system is broken,
Speaker 1: and it's broken on purpose to give Republicans something to
Speaker 1: run on. So I do think this is smart. Again,
Speaker 1: Republicans are going to do crazy stuff with this, But
Speaker 1: I think as long as Harris is really really focused
Speaker 1: and careful about the way she messages this, I actually
Speaker 1: think it's a winner.
Speaker 2: I would agree so lastly, and I can't tell you
Speaker 2: how much I would like to never think about this
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Speaker 4: It's always good to be here.
Speaker 1: We're in this interesting moment. We've got a lot going on.
Speaker 1: But you know, there are three sort of paths that
Speaker 1: it looks like they're sort of the scenario where she
Speaker 1: wins by a lot with the scenario where she wins
Speaker 1: by a a little bit and whatever happens happens after that,
Speaker 1: God knows, and the scenario where he eaks it out.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about what this looks like in your mind.
Speaker 4: Well, let's just step back from the horse race punditry. You,
Speaker 4: I mean, you can make yourself crazy by looking at
Speaker 4: each of the individual they're going to bounce around. But
Speaker 4: the true insanity of this moment is that there is
Speaker 4: a possibility that Donald Trump might be elected president of
Speaker 4: the United States again, despite everything we know about him
Speaker 4: that he is a chronic liar, seditionist, rapist, who is
Speaker 4: you know, openly talking about bowling the need of Ladimir
Speaker 4: Putine he had tens of millions of people are apparently
Speaker 4: looking at him and going, yeah, that's okay, let's put
Speaker 4: him back into power. The fact that there's a remote
Speaker 4: chance that this man might win the election is I'm afraid,
Speaker 4: not a terribly flattering commentary on the state of American
Speaker 4: culture today.
Speaker 1: It's so true, and we spend so much time talking
Speaker 1: about like how, in fact, still more people believe that
Speaker 1: he is better on the economy than she is, despite
Speaker 1: the fact that he says such chestnuts as childcare is.
Speaker 4: Childcare, Yeah, child cares childcare and Gettysburg. Wow, I mean
Speaker 4: he I mean the thing about Donald Trump. But I
Speaker 4: have these conversations with some of my conservative friends and
Speaker 4: they'll say, well, okay, you know, he's a terrible character,
Speaker 4: you know, as the mean tweets, but I agree with
Speaker 4: him on policy, and you need to take a deep
Speaker 4: breath and point out the policy that he's talking about
Speaker 4: is gibberish. He has no interest in policy. He is
Speaker 4: throwing stuff up against the wall. He's handing out free stuff.
Speaker 4: He's talking about these various and you could tell that
Speaker 4: there's no deep core in this man, with the possible
Speaker 4: exception of the profundity of his belief in tariffs.
Speaker 1: He loves tariffs and.
Speaker 4: The tariffs are not actually taxes, which is delivered, and
Speaker 4: his deep belief that by playing to the deepest, darkest
Speaker 4: racial animus of the American public, that that is a
Speaker 4: winning formula. Beyond that, it's like, hey, you know, let's
Speaker 4: not tax Social Security, let's no taxes on tips. He's
Speaker 4: just throwing shit up against the wall at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem as if he will say literally
Speaker 1: anything to get elected. And I feel like this is
Speaker 1: the moment, Like, clearly he's seen some focus groups that
Speaker 1: say women are not having it. So now we see
Speaker 1: these all cap tweets that are like, clearly, this is
Speaker 1: the offer he made to all those wives, right, I
Speaker 1: will protect you all caps. You'll never have to think
Speaker 1: about abortion all caps.
Speaker 4: The vacuousness of it, you know, never ce never ceases
Speaker 4: to amaze. And this is part of the problem of
Speaker 4: dealing with him. Do you laugh at him because he's
Speaker 4: so clown like, or are you alarmed by him because
Speaker 4: of his rhetoric? And this is the kind of dilemma.
Speaker 4: So can I just tell you that I stumbled into something.
Speaker 4: I'm getting flayed on the far right social media for
Speaker 4: just sort of acknowledging that, Yeah, a lot of Donald
Speaker 4: Trump's rhetoric sounds like that a German politician from the
Speaker 4: nineteen thirties. I understand that people think that's over the top.
Speaker 4: And Godwin's law is that anybody that invokes Hitler, you know,
Speaker 4: immediately loses the debate. But I guess I was just
Speaker 4: channeling my inner jd Vance, who was actually one of
Speaker 4: the first guys that compared him to you know, America's
Speaker 4: Hitler right in twenty sixteen. And then we have this
Speaker 4: weird thing where it's like he's leaning into it. It's
Speaker 4: like they are, you know, immigrants are poisoning the blood
Speaker 4: and I'm going to blame the Jews if I don't
Speaker 4: get elected and all of this sort of thing. And
Speaker 4: did you see the Mike Lindell story, the my pillow
Speaker 4: Guy story. No, this is wild. I actually thought that
Speaker 4: this was a spoof. He's actually selling pillows and he's
Speaker 4: priced them at fourteen dollars in eighty eight cents, fourteen
Speaker 4: eighty eight, which is a white supremacist, not even a
Speaker 4: dog whistle, And of course Mike Lindell is saying, what
Speaker 4: do you mean the fourteen words are, you know, basically racist?
Speaker 4: And then eight eight is supposed to be Heile Hitler, like,
Speaker 4: don't get ye into that world. But there's this weird
Speaker 4: sort of vibe out there that we're going to troll
Speaker 4: you by sounding as much like fascist as possible. And
Speaker 4: then if you point out, hey, you guys sound like fascists,
Speaker 4: then their reaction is look at these over the top
Speaker 4: trunch Trump derangement syndrome folks out there. So this is
Speaker 4: why we all feel like we're losing our minds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean I think there is a fair
Speaker 1: amount of gaslighting going on, and I think that's the goal, right,
Speaker 1: The goal is I mean, this is not something I said.
Speaker 1: This is a quote we've seen before, is that the goal,
Speaker 1: the road to authoritarianism is paved with people saying you're overreacting, right, Well.
Speaker 4: Exactly, yes, calm down, he won't start a coup.
Speaker 1: He's playing golf. He'll file a few lawsuits.
Speaker 4: Humor him.
Speaker 3: Just humor him.
Speaker 4: What's the danger exactly? And yet this year it's not
Speaker 4: that they're being subtled. I mean, Donald Trump is telling
Speaker 4: us every single day what he intends to do. And
Speaker 4: by the way, I actually take him at his word
Speaker 4: when he says that he's going to push for a
Speaker 4: mass deportation policy, that he's going to round up millions
Speaker 4: of people, put them on trains and buses and camps
Speaker 4: and who knows what else. And I think that people,
Speaker 4: if in fact there was a Trump two point zero,
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm kind of waiting this kind of my
Speaker 4: morbid curiosity the people who are like, wow, he really
Speaker 4: meant that.
Speaker 1: I'm shocked, shocked.
Speaker 4: To find out that Donald Trump is who Donald Trump
Speaker 4: has been saying is for the last nine fucking years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wants to put barcodes on people, like, don't
Speaker 1: know what he wants. He said during a rally. I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly the quote serial numbers, serial numbers, right,
Speaker 1: serial numbers, but serial numbers. That's what I mean. That
Speaker 1: is literally what Hitler did. Like people had tattoos of
Speaker 1: serial numbers on their arms. The older Jews who survived
Speaker 1: the Holocaust, I mean, as a Jew myself, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: my family came over in the eighteen hundreds, but we
Speaker 1: had certainly relatives who died in the Holocaust, And like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's never just the Jews, right, It's never
Speaker 1: just the Haitians. It's always you know, the Haitian stuff
Speaker 1: is like, is probably scarier than anything, right, dehumanizing.
Speaker 4: Well, let's just stick with the Haitians, Okay. So, I mean,
Speaker 4: I understand the danger of doing the Hitler chard acause
Speaker 4: they just set that aside here, although I would urge
Speaker 4: people to read Catherine Rimpel's column in the Washington Post,
Speaker 4: who says, if you're bothered by the comparisons, maybe Donald
Speaker 4: Trump should stop actually trying to sound like him. But
Speaker 4: let's leave that aside. The Haitian thing is so extraordinary
Speaker 4: because it is so raw. He has moved on from
Speaker 4: scary rapist Mexicans to now, let's be honest, the blackest
Speaker 4: immigrants he can find, and he's decided that he's going
Speaker 4: to demonize them with lies that are refuted. But they're
Speaker 4: sticking with the line. I think the fact that they
Speaker 4: persist with the law is such a tell because the
Speaker 4: facts don't matter. As jd Vance sort of conceded. We
Speaker 4: created the story because there's this larger truth that these
Speaker 4: black Haitian immigrants are dangerous and scary and poisoning the
Speaker 4: blood of America or whatever it is. And the other
Speaker 4: day when Donald Trump led his rally crowd in the
Speaker 4: chant of send them back, send them back, it was
Speaker 4: one of those moments where you feel like raise your
Speaker 4: hand and say, do you understand what he's doing here?
Speaker 4: These immigrants are here legally. We're not talking about illegal immigrants.
Speaker 4: We're not talking about people who broke the law. We're
Speaker 4: talking about people who followed the law, played by the rules,
Speaker 4: who are working, working hard. The Republican governor of Ohio says, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: don't demonize these people. We need them in our economy.
Speaker 4: And Donald Trump is leading this chance send them back?
Speaker 4: Why because he wants people to fear and loathe these
Speaker 4: dark immigrants. And it's hard to come up with example
Speaker 4: of raw racism or more raw racism in American presidential
Speaker 4: politics for decades. In fact, I can't even think of
Speaker 4: any direct parallel within our lifetimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean I also think that othering a
Speaker 1: group of people, saying that the base is in danger
Speaker 1: from them and then pushing very conservative, extremist policies. History
Speaker 1: has shown us that that's the play for authoritarians. So
Speaker 1: this is a continual history rhymes exercise right.
Speaker 4: Yes, and look at this is what he's running on.
Speaker 4: These things are not gas, These are not one ofs.
Speaker 4: This has been a consistent theme that he's had from
Speaker 4: the beginning. And I think it's interesting that he sort
Speaker 4: of moved on from building the wall that Mexico would
Speaker 4: pay for, which was bullshit. Then a couple of years
Speaker 4: later it was the you know, caravans coming, that we're
Speaker 4: going to overwhelm America. They were going to take your jobs,
Speaker 4: rape your women, et cetera. And now it's the Haitian immigrants.
Speaker 4: But the through line is not subtle.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not subtle. So let's talk about Mark Robinson.
Speaker 1: We had more APO dumped. Maybe we don't know by who,
Speaker 1: but it was right before the deadline to drop out.
Speaker 1: Was maybe a hail Mary hoping that he would drop out.
Speaker 1: Who knows, I don't know who would think that, because
Speaker 1: the man seems completely unapologetic for anything real or that,
Speaker 1: for anything he's done or pretended he didn't do, you know,
Speaker 1: or maybe he didn't who knows, but I think he did.
Speaker 1: But you know, that's just my opinion. But there may
Speaker 1: still be more unearthed because this person seems very, very messy.
Speaker 1: But I'm curious what you think. You know, Trump could
Speaker 1: have and again, of course he wouldn't have, but he
Speaker 1: could have said, you know, I withdraw my endorsement. He
Speaker 1: did not, but he didn't have him at his event,
Speaker 1: which I guess right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But you know, Mark Rebinson is such a creature
Speaker 4: of the Maga universe. The utter deplorability and then the
Speaker 4: pet shamelessness of the people who leaked this information actually
Speaker 4: seemed to believe that we were on Earth two point zero,
Speaker 4: where this sort of thing would be automatically disqualifying. It
Speaker 4: wasn't that long ago that no rational political party would
Speaker 4: stick with somebody who is this bizarre. I have to
Speaker 4: admit there's a certain irony of the people who are
Speaker 4: now withdrawing their endorsements after it turns out that he
Speaker 4: said these wild things on a porn side, because apparently
Speaker 4: the being a Holocaust denier was not a deal breaker
Speaker 4: before that. I mean, you can be a Holocaust denier,
Speaker 4: but don't do it on a porn site. Called neod Africa.
Speaker 4: Just I mean, we're willing to put up with all
Speaker 4: kinds of other stuff, but I'm shock shocked to find
Speaker 4: out that this clear extremist nut job was an extremist
Speaker 4: nut job and like kinky sex with his wife's sister
Speaker 4: or something like that. I mean so, but the way
Speaker 4: in which people like this are continuing to rise to
Speaker 4: the top of the Republican Party winning primaries. I mean,
Speaker 4: keep in mind that voters in North Carolina, Republican voters
Speaker 4: chose him despite all kinds of warning signs that he
Speaker 4: was bad news.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean they did, and he is the
Speaker 1: lieutenant governor. Now there's this polling out now that shows
Speaker 1: that the attack on Tim Walls from the right is
Speaker 1: not actually working. They had worked really hard, and actually,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw those polls over the weekend where
Speaker 1: Harris is more as popular as Bush was right after
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. Right that she has had that kind
Speaker 1: of spike in popularity, So it shows that the attacks
Speaker 1: on her didn't work either. So make it make sense.
Speaker 4: Well, almost nothing makes any sense, But this is actually hard.
Speaker 4: This is quite interesting because for people who don't spend
Speaker 4: a lot of time immersed in the insanity of right
Speaker 4: wing media. The attacks on walls were absolutely relentless, and
Speaker 4: they went on and on and on. They never actually
Speaker 4: made any sense to me, But I was wondering, and
Speaker 4: this is this playing and the evidence would suggest that no,
Speaker 4: it's not. And then this was my big question mark
Speaker 4: about the month of August, what would happen to Kamala
Speaker 4: Harris's numbers when they dumped one hundred million dollars more
Speaker 4: of negative on her. I mean they threw everything at her,
Speaker 4: I mean everything, And the fact that her approval rating
Speaker 4: has gone up, I think is one of those numbers
Speaker 4: that did get my attention because it suggests that Americans
Speaker 4: are still looking at this race and going, we don't
Speaker 4: know who Kamala Harris is. They're making up their minds
Speaker 4: about her, and the Republicans tried to define her and
Speaker 4: probably succeeded with the base, but overall it's not working.
Speaker 4: So one of the things that I think, you know,
Speaker 4: when I was talking about how insane it is that
Speaker 4: this is closed, I think the part of it is
Speaker 4: that you know, people like you and I need to
Speaker 4: take a deep breath and remember that for the vast
Speaker 4: majority of Americans, they had no idea who Kamala Harris was,
Speaker 4: and if they did, it was probably negative. And so
Speaker 4: you know, this process of reintroducing herself, introducing herself, and
Speaker 4: defining herself is ongoing. And even though there's only six
Speaker 4: weeks left, there are six weeks left where she can
Speaker 4: do some of this, And that number you decided would
Speaker 4: suggest that some of that's working. People are people are
Speaker 4: getting their heads around this idea, which you know, we
Speaker 4: need to keep reminding ourselves what was two three months
Speaker 4: ago was absolutely unthinkable and now here we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really good point. And it's interesting to
Speaker 1: me too, because Walls has this sort of Upper Midwest
Speaker 1: nice thing. It's funny because I was interviewing Governor Pritzker,
Speaker 1: and you know, he is sort of made this name
Speaker 1: for himself as a progressive hero of the laugh despite
Speaker 1: his incredible Walls. And one of the ways he's done
Speaker 1: that is by doing a lot of the same policies
Speaker 1: that Walls has done, these kind of and Jos Shapiro too,
Speaker 1: these kind of like free breakfasts paid sickly different kind
Speaker 1: of safety net stuff. And I wonder what you think
Speaker 1: about this sort of Democrats. It's sort of almost recreating
Speaker 1: themselves as a kind of like friendly Midwestern party, the
Speaker 1: Amy Klobashah kind of trope.
Speaker 4: Well, I think this is absolutely necessary in order to
Speaker 4: win this election. But yeah, there's no question about it.
Speaker 4: There has been this effort to say, no, we're not
Speaker 4: San Francisco Liberals. No, we're not going to We're not
Speaker 4: going to be playing that card. We understand the election
Speaker 4: is not going to be decided in the faculty lounge
Speaker 4: of Dartmouth, that it's going to be decided in places like,
Speaker 4: you know, Pennsylvania, in Michigan and Wisconsin and Minnesota. So
Speaker 4: from my point of US and Midwestern I find it
Speaker 4: very very refreshing because the entire Republican line right now
Speaker 4: is you should really be scared of these people. These
Speaker 4: people are dangerous, dangerous radicals. And then a guy like
Speaker 4: Tim Walls comes out and he's got a very progressive record,
Speaker 4: but he does not read as a dangerous radical, and
Speaker 4: things like yeah, it's like, okay, I'm going to give
Speaker 4: free lunches to the kids in school. Now there are
Speaker 4: conservative becom you know.
Speaker 1: Right, you could be upset about them, but the cost
Speaker 1: of it, but not the idea of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, see, this is the thing. This is not
Speaker 4: This is not a red line kind of issue. And
Speaker 4: as Donald Trump becomes more and more incoherent on the economy,
Speaker 4: I think that there's an opening as well. But also
Speaker 4: I just think fundamental, and I said this on Nicole
Speaker 4: Wallace's show yesterday, I don't think this election is going
Speaker 4: to turn on policy in the.
Speaker 1: End Tony either at all.
Speaker 4: So you know what I mean. I'm thinking back at
Speaker 4: the classic question of American politics, are you better off
Speaker 4: than you were four years ago? And I think the
Speaker 4: answer is clearly yes. But I don't think that's the
Speaker 4: question in twenty twenty four. I think the question in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, and you can help me formulate this,
Speaker 4: is like, do you really want to do this for
Speaker 4: another four years? Do we want as a country to
Speaker 4: put up with another four years of Donald Trump? Aren't
Speaker 4: you exhausted by this? Don't you want to turn the page?
Speaker 4: And I think that there is a small but potentially
Speaker 4: decisive group of absolutely freaking exhausted voters, many of whom
Speaker 4: were voted for Republicans, maybe voted for Trump twice, and
Speaker 4: are thinking I just can't take this for another four years.
Speaker 4: I just don't want to do this anymore. Yeah, or
Speaker 4: maybe I'm just projecting because that's me. That's me too.
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny because it's like the conventional wisdom
Speaker 1: is that a Trump when would make people like us
Speaker 1: more important before we go to jail, but it actually
Speaker 1: is just nobody wants that because it's so scary and
Speaker 1: it's just and to watch him just torture people, it's
Speaker 1: just not worth it.
Speaker 4: This is part of the struggle because there are days
Speaker 4: when I wake up, I'm going to confess this to
Speaker 4: you since it's just you and me, Molly.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I won't tell anyone I think.
Speaker 4: Is there anything that we can say about Donald Trump
Speaker 4: that we haven't said before that is not obvious? I mean,
Speaker 4: how many times do you have to say that this
Speaker 4: man is demented and a menace and reckless and clearly
Speaker 4: not fit for office? How many times can you say that?
Speaker 4: And is there any part of that that you know
Speaker 4: has penetrated to the people who need to hear it.
Speaker 4: I hope the answer is yes. But at a certain
Speaker 4: point you go, Okay, he's told us who he is.
Speaker 4: He has told us who he is over and over again.
Speaker 4: We've seen this. All you have to do is spend
Speaker 4: five minutes listening to him, and so, you know, let's
Speaker 4: stop the commentary and get home.
Speaker 3: With a voting.
Speaker 4: Let's just do this. Let's just because vote is going
Speaker 4: to tell us a hell of a lot more about
Speaker 4: who we are as Americans than it is about Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: This election. At this point, it's not about Donald Trump anymore,
Speaker 4: because we know that we've done that. Okay, Now the
Speaker 4: question is who are we? And I think it was
Speaker 4: Barack Obama you kept saying, you know that, you know
Speaker 4: this is not who we are. We are better than this.
Speaker 4: Well maybe we are, maybe we aren't. We're going to
Speaker 4: find out.
Speaker 1: Charlie Sikes, thank you, thank you. Are you concerned about
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Speaker 1: Dana Milbank is a columnist at The Washington Post and
Speaker 1: the author of Pools on the Hill, The Hooligans, Saboteurs,
Speaker 1: Conspiracy Theorists, and Dances who Burned Down the House? Welcome
Speaker 1: Back Too Fast Politics, My friend, Dana Milbank.
Speaker 5: Molly, it is always a real treat to get to
Speaker 5: talk to you.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about your book today, but happens to
Speaker 1: be your book, which.
Speaker 5: Is called The Fools on the Hill.
Speaker 1: Yes, Republicans and the House. We're happy to oblige by
Speaker 1: providing you with a lot of material. Take us through
Speaker 1: when you started this book, because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: bad Republican actors on the Hill. But what period did
Speaker 1: you start writing this book about?
Speaker 5: So I started thinking about it just as the twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two elections were coming up. I didn't realize, of course,
Speaker 5: what a catastrophe of leadership it was about to become.
Speaker 5: But you could kind of tell with all these exotic
Speaker 5: characters that you know something was going to be up.
Speaker 5: So I talked with my editors about getting up to
Speaker 5: the hill and starting to cover it from the beginning
Speaker 5: of last year twenty twenty three and into the early
Speaker 5: parts of this year. Then we rushed to put this
Speaker 5: in book for him. So we got all this in motion.
Speaker 5: You know, long before there was going to be fifteen
Speaker 5: ballots to elect Kevin McCarthy. Then they'd kick out a
Speaker 5: speaker for the first time in history. Then they'd shut
Speaker 5: the house down for twenty two days. Then they'd come
Speaker 5: up with the new Moses, Mike Johnson, who turned out
Speaker 5: to be a false prophet and made things even worse
Speaker 5: than they were under.
Speaker 1: McCarthy talked to us about this speakership battle and how
Speaker 1: Mike Johnson came to be.
Speaker 5: I mean, Mike Johnson came to be because of Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: It is as simple as that. Kevin McCarthy still be
Speaker 5: speakers today, for better or worse, if Trump had stuck
Speaker 5: by him. But remember McCarthy had said, well, maybe Donald
Speaker 5: Trump isn't the strongest candidate to have representing us in
Speaker 5: the election, And that was basically the end for Kevin
Speaker 5: McCarthy that allowed Matt Gates to bring him down. Trump
Speaker 5: very clearly knocked down some others in there, Tom Emmer,
Speaker 5: Steve Scalise during that twenty two days of shutdown when
Speaker 5: the House couldn't function at all, he did like Jim Jordan,
Speaker 5: Trump did, but there was some opposition there and finally
Speaker 5: he got behind Mike Johnson. And Mike Johnson, like many
Speaker 5: other Republicans, originally was saying, I do not think Trump
Speaker 5: has the temperament to be in the White House. But
Speaker 5: of course he became slavishly devoted to Trump. The most
Speaker 5: important element of his career was leading the legal effort
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty to help Trump overturn the election results.
Speaker 5: Mike Johnson has rewarded Trump in every way. Trump says,
Speaker 5: shut down the government. If you can't get this Save Act,
Speaker 5: this voting poison pill attached to the spending, then that
Speaker 5: becomes Mike Johnson's strategy. Trump says, you've got to kill
Speaker 5: this Order Security legislation to help me with a campaign.
Speaker 5: Mike Johnson had been calling for almost exactly that bit
Speaker 5: of legislation for months, if not years, gets on board
Speaker 5: to kill the legislation, you know. And then there's Mike Johnson,
Speaker 5: you know, having a press conference outside the courthouse during
Speaker 5: Trump's hush money trial, you know, and it just sort
Speaker 5: of goes on and on, and you basically, he has
Speaker 5: one job, and that is to represent the interests of
Speaker 5: Donald Trump. And that really explains why we had so
Speaker 5: much chaos at the House.
Speaker 1: There's no reporting, which is that Democrats are starting to
Speaker 1: be by democrats, I mean people who are concerned about
Speaker 1: American democracy.
Speaker 5: Small D democrats.
Speaker 1: Small D democrats have started worrying about not January sixth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, but January sixth, twenty twenty five, that
Speaker 1: they have started worrying that perhaps picking the guy who
Speaker 1: helped undermine twenty election, who wrote this legal brief, could
Speaker 1: mean that when given the chance, he would not do
Speaker 1: as Mike Pence did, but instead do as Donald Trump
Speaker 1: wanted Mike Pence to do and delay certification or perhaps
Speaker 1: deny certification, or do whatever he could to kick it
Speaker 1: up to the Supreme Court, who are very much on
Speaker 1: team Trump. You aren't a student of these people, what
Speaker 1: say you?
Speaker 5: I think there's every possibility that Mike Johnson would do
Speaker 5: exactly that. You have to understand the extent to which
Speaker 5: he is always one tweet away from losing the speakership. Now,
Speaker 5: he may well lose his speakership anyway, because he's basically incompetent,
Speaker 5: only been in Congress for a few years, and has
Speaker 5: really no idea what he's doing. But he's always hanging
Speaker 5: by a thread. And if Trump says one bad word, okay,
Speaker 5: that motion to vacate Marjorie Taylor Green's on the floor
Speaker 5: with their motion to vacate, and the Republicans will have
Speaker 5: to go along with that. Of course, this has already happened,
Speaker 5: and Trump did not go along with it, and not
Speaker 5: enough Republicans went along with it, so the Democrats were
Speaker 5: able to bail him out. But you know, because he's
Speaker 5: hanging by a string there, he is almost certainly going
Speaker 5: to continue to do whatever it is that Trump asks him,
Speaker 5: whether that was, you know, shutting down the government or
Speaker 5: whether that's with border security or god forbid, attempting to
Speaker 5: overturn the election results.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 5: Now, the other externalities are much better than they were
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty. Because a Democrat is in the White House,
Speaker 5: you won't have a failure to send the National Guarden
Speaker 5: or its equivalent this time around, so things will be
Speaker 5: different in that sense. But you know, Mike Johnson has
Speaker 5: made very clear that he is there at the pleasure
Speaker 5: of and to serve Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: So that sounds like a yes.
Speaker 5: I'd be highly confident that he would do exactly what
Speaker 5: is asked of him. And it's I mean, who knows
Speaker 5: what Mike Johnson is thinking, you know, in his heart
Speaker 5: of hearts. In a sense, it doesn't really matter. I mean,
Speaker 5: it is very clear he you know, one false move
Speaker 5: Trump says one bad word about him, he is out
Speaker 5: of his job. He's not shown himself to have any background.
Speaker 5: I mean, he has made Kevin McCarthy it look like
Speaker 5: one heck of a vertebrates.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, that's not easy to do.
Speaker 1: Tell me what it looks like sort of since the
Speaker 1: Republicans have been in power here, Like, what have the
Speaker 1: last two years looked like? I mean, you have been
Speaker 1: in DC for a while.
Speaker 5: Yes, I like how you always mentioned that.
Speaker 1: Molly, and you've seen many things. I'm always just delighted
Speaker 1: when I'm talking to someone who's older than I am.
Speaker 1: It just is so great. But what has surprised you?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 5: The level of incompetence that I've seen in this Congress.
Speaker 5: It exceeds anything any of us has ever seen in
Speaker 5: our lifetime. Now, you know, I covered the Congress after
Speaker 5: the Republican Revolution of ninety four. That was nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 5: not eighteen ninety four.
Speaker 1: That is that's my man Newt, right, that was right.
Speaker 5: And then you know, after the Tea Party in twenty ten.
Speaker 5: So I've seen sort of high water marks of this before,
Speaker 5: but let me just put a number on it. After
Speaker 5: eighteen months, these guys had managed to enact seventy laws
Speaker 5: that puts them on course based on all recent history
Speaker 5: for you know, give or take about one hundred and
Speaker 5: thirty three, this would be the do nothing as Congress
Speaker 5: since eighteen sixty. No, no, I mean not forever, but
Speaker 5: since eighteen sixty, when the when the Union was dissolving
Speaker 5: on the verge of civil war. It's barely one third
Speaker 5: the production of the you know, Nut Gingrich's nineteen ninety
Speaker 5: four Congress, and well less than half of the Tea
Speaker 5: Party Congress. So it's just unbelievable the lack of things
Speaker 5: they're doing. Of course there, yeah, there's a Democratic Senate,
Speaker 5: but they can't do anything without the buy in of
Speaker 5: ten Republicans. So it's much the same problem over there,
Speaker 5: and I mean just the legendary getting hung up in
Speaker 5: their own rules, unable to pass anything, although they you know,
Speaker 5: they do pass stuff like the Refrigerator Freedom Act and
Speaker 5: the Asked Protection Act and that you know, stop unaffordable
Speaker 5: dishwasher standards. But you know, part of what I argue
Speaker 5: in the book is, I mean we should all be
Speaker 5: thankful that they are so incompetent, because if you look
Speaker 5: at what they've actually tried to do, and that is
Speaker 5: you know, the vast majority of them have already voted
Speaker 5: to eliminate the Education Department. The vast majority are on
Speaker 5: board with a nationwide abortion ban, and even you know,
Speaker 5: a banning if at pristone overwhelming majority of them, one
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy seven House Republicans have voted to keep
Speaker 5: the names of Confederate generals on military basis. So you've
Speaker 5: seen this, you know, a whole bunch of this white
Speaker 5: nationalism going on, a lot of social culture, war issues,
Speaker 5: poison pills in legislation. This is all fun and games,
Speaker 5: I suppose, because we know the President would veto it.
Speaker 5: It'll never get through the Senate. But if we're looking
Speaker 5: at heaven forbid a return of President Trump and a
Speaker 5: Speaker Johnson and potentially a Republican Senate that's willing to
Speaker 5: kill off the Fster, this becomes a very different situation
Speaker 5: than all these you know, wack adoodle things that they
Speaker 5: you know, suddenly become a real possibility.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a real possibility. And I think, you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of this really could happen. And the fact that
Speaker 1: it's not happening it's really because these ideas are so unpopular.
Speaker 5: I don't think they see them as unpopular. That that's
Speaker 5: the thing is, you know, these guys are I mean,
Speaker 5: think of the lineup of people we've got. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's essentially the power behind the throne is you know,
Speaker 5: Miss Jewish Space Lasers from Georgia, and you've got Beetlejuice
Speaker 5: from Colorado. You've got Matt Gates, who's under an investigation.
Speaker 3: You've got the new.
Speaker 5: Moses, Mike Johnson. You know, we did have her all
Speaker 5: unfortunately all too little time. George Santos. You know, you've
Speaker 5: got the candy Man, Ronnie Jackson. You've got Clay Higgins
Speaker 5: from Louisiana sending coded messages to militia.
Speaker 1: I mean, we shouldn't laugh because it's so dark.
Speaker 5: The list goes on and on and on. There is
Speaker 5: so much insanity here, you know, violent people, people faking
Speaker 5: their resumes, ties to white nationalism. The list of characters
Speaker 5: is extraordinary, and so I don't think that they recognize
Speaker 5: that what their agenda is unpopular. They think it's terrific
Speaker 5: and this is what every American wants. The rest of
Speaker 5: the Republicans, they're, unfortunately for them, being carried along with this,
Speaker 5: but they're not being shy about the things that they're
Speaker 5: trying to do. So I just think people need to
Speaker 5: keep in mind that if this House majority persists and
Speaker 5: Trump is returned to the White House, it's a whole
Speaker 5: different thing. There's no Paul Ryan even to try to
Speaker 5: tone things down. There are no grownups, and there's nobody
Speaker 5: who can say no to this guy.
Speaker 1: Jesus, that made me feel good. They've done a lot
Speaker 1: of messaging bills, they've done a lot of committees, they've
Speaker 1: done a lot of trying to get Hunter Biden. What
Speaker 1: has been those sort of most.
Speaker 5: Hilarious Oh man, that's like asking which somebody's children they like.
Speaker 3: The most.
Speaker 5: There were so many great days during this session, but
Speaker 5: I think maybe the best moment was when everything was
Speaker 5: melting down and then Kevin McCarthy delivers what it was
Speaker 5: called a kidney punch to Tim Burchett in the basement
Speaker 5: of the House. This is the exact same time over
Speaker 5: in the Senate, Mark Wayne Mullen is challenging the head
Speaker 5: of I think it was the Teamsters Union to a
Speaker 5: fistfight in the committee room, and Jamie Comer on this
Speaker 5: same exact day is erupting at Jared Moscow it's in
Speaker 5: a committee here and calling him a smurf.
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember it well. And Jared Moscow it'z has
Speaker 1: been on this podcast to recount.
Speaker 5: Smurf Gate, indeed, and he's owning that smurf label quite
Speaker 5: a bit and does indeed like to wear some bright
Speaker 5: blue colors. That sort of captured the unraveling for me.
Speaker 5: But you know, I mean, god, there are so many
Speaker 5: great moments. Marjorie Taylor Green holding up the photographs, you know,
Speaker 5: barely blocked out of Hunter Biden engaging in sex acts
Speaker 5: in a committee room. I mean, it's really hard to
Speaker 5: beat some of this stuff. You know that the self
Speaker 5: loathing has been terrific. Do you remember Chip Royce standing
Speaker 5: on the House floor saying, I want my Republican colleagues
Speaker 5: to give me one thing that I can go campaign
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 3: Say we did.
Speaker 5: Reading telling Bobert on the House floor she's a little
Speaker 5: bitch because she stole her impeachment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great.
Speaker 5: It goes on and on, Matt Gates leaving his motion
Speaker 5: to vacate, McCarthy leaving a copy of it in the restroom.
Speaker 5: That's how people find out. Yeah, personal favorite Tom Tiffany,
Speaker 5: little known guy from Wisconsin attacking Attorney General Merrick Garland
Speaker 5: over the world naked bike ride. Yeah, he was blaming
Speaker 5: him for people riding bicycles naked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. So these people
Speaker 1: don't seem like they can govern, but they also seem
Speaker 1: kind of like idiots. Is there a world in which,
Speaker 1: like Republicans have always had a few people like this
Speaker 1: and Democrats? I mean, I don't think that Democrats have
Speaker 1: people like this, but they have people who are out liars, right,
Speaker 1: who maybe don't believe what everybody else believes. But how
Speaker 1: do you get here? How do you get to a
Speaker 1: House Republican caucus? That is pretty much led by and
Speaker 1: staffed by morons.
Speaker 5: I want to say, in some ways it's the way
Speaker 5: the party structured and not their fault. But of course
Speaker 5: I don't want to let them off the hook entirely
Speaker 5: for that. But there's a reason why, you know, you
Speaker 5: sort of look at the Squad. It's a much smaller
Speaker 5: group than say, it's equivalent the Freedom Caucus, right, and
Speaker 5: it polices itself.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jamal Bowman.
Speaker 5: Loses, Cory Bush loses, so it's actually shrinking in that sense.
Speaker 5: But I think it's structural in the sense that there
Speaker 5: are far more constructions.
Speaker 1: Not comparing these lunatics to the squad because the Squad
Speaker 1: is totally different.
Speaker 5: But we no, no, yeah, I mean it's the nearest
Speaker 5: ideological equivalent.
Speaker 1: We're talking about people with different ideologies, right.
Speaker 5: But if you look at Democratic voters, a far greater
Speaker 5: proportion identify themselves as moderate than do in the Republican Party,
Speaker 5: where the vast majority identify themselves as conservative. So the
Speaker 5: way you get ahead, the way you win. I mean,
Speaker 5: ninety percent of the districts or more are safe districts,
Speaker 5: so it's really only a primary.
Speaker 3: The way you get.
Speaker 5: Yourself to Congress is to be the most extreme, not
Speaker 5: as you know, Tom Massey said to be the craziest
Speaker 5: son of a bitch in the race. So what's happened?
Speaker 5: I mean, there's always been a tendency in this direction.
Speaker 5: There always been more exotic characters in modern times, at
Speaker 5: least on the Republican side. But since the Trump era,
Speaker 5: we've sort of had wave after wave of you know,
Speaker 5: iteration of people getting trumpier and trumpier, and also through
Speaker 5: his endorsements or they're simply emulating him, and the number
Speaker 5: of characters has just expanded so exponentially. At the same time,
Speaker 5: you know, the actual grown ups have quit and disappeared
Speaker 5: and moved on. You know, you've sort of lost that
Speaker 5: critical mass of you know, normal people who are willing
Speaker 5: to push back against it. So that's really what's happened,
Speaker 5: is it's just been It's not just that a lot
Speaker 5: of nuts were elected in twenty twenty two. They were,
Speaker 5: but this follows sixteen, eighteen twenty, and it's really gotten
Speaker 5: to a point where they now have the critical mass
Speaker 5: within the party right and so.
Speaker 1: There's no way to sort of put the genie back
Speaker 1: in the bottle.
Speaker 5: I don't think there is I mean, look, we need
Speaker 5: a healthy Republican party. This is going to have to
Speaker 5: change over time. But what brings about that change? You know,
Speaker 5: would an election defeat? Well you'd think so, but I
Speaker 5: mean think. I think if the Republicans God Willing lose
Speaker 5: the presidency again, I think that'll be nine out of
Speaker 5: the last ten elections where they will have lost the
Speaker 5: popular vote. So there doesn't seem to be a corrective
Speaker 5: in there. We seem to be stuck in this. So
Speaker 5: unless some real penalty is, you know, electoral penalty is
Speaker 5: to be brought to bear, which I have not seen
Speaker 5: happen at all, I don't see how they get out
Speaker 5: of this rut, because it'd be crazies. Do in fact
Speaker 5: constitute a majority of the caucus right now.
Speaker 1: It seems very clear, so interesting and so important. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much, Danamobank, Molly, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: having me on.
Speaker 5: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Oh no more, sickly, Jesse Cannon, MYI I know you
Speaker 2: have children and I don't. And I know that Matty
Speaker 2: parents regret discussing the birds and bees. I regret what
Speaker 2: we have to discuss. Clay Higgins Representative Clay Higgins He
Speaker 2: said some very very nasty things today on the Twitter machine.
Speaker 2: He wrote, loll these Haitians are wild eating pets, foodoo
Speaker 2: foodoo spelled wrong, of course, nastiest country in the Western Hemisphere, colts,
Speaker 2: slapstick gangsters. No idea what he's saying there, But damned
Speaker 2: if they don't feel all sophisticated now filing charges against
Speaker 2: our president and VP, meaning Trump and JD. Vans are
Speaker 2: saying lies about them who are.
Speaker 1: Actually not our president. Data point, they are neither our
Speaker 1: president nor our VP.
Speaker 2: All these thugs better get their mind right and their
Speaker 2: ass out of the country before January twentieth.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that about legal legal immigrants is kind
Speaker 1: of something worse thinking about this is the continual racism.
Speaker 1: By the way, I would point out that it's so
Speaker 1: interesting to me that we're in this moment because we
Speaker 1: have seen that that, in fact, nothing happened, right. The
Speaker 1: Haitian immigrants who were here legally did not eat any
Speaker 1: animals that were you know, people's pets or anything that
Speaker 1: did not happen. They were not eating cats, they were
Speaker 1: not eating the dogs. But instead of apologizing and trying
Speaker 1: to do better, these Republicans just continue to double down
Speaker 1: on the live, which is a really just such a
Speaker 1: grim place to be. That's it for this episode of
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