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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren vocal Baum, and today

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Speaker 1: we have a classic episode for you about food in

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Speaker 1: special effects in film and television. Yes, and this was

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Speaker 1: such a fun one, and we had a guest, a

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Speaker 1: very special guest. And as we said, you know, Lauren

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Speaker 1: and I will watch horror movies at any time. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we don't specifically focus on horror movies

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Speaker 1: in this but but yeah, yeah, because a lot of

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Speaker 1: the really a lot of the really sticky effects do happen, yeah,

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Speaker 1: in horror. Um. So, our guest on here is v Kelly.

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Speaker 1: She's a professional in the industry. And the episode was

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Speaker 1: originally published March eight and since then, Um, there has

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Speaker 1: been quite a lot of development in the local Atlanta

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Speaker 1: film scene. Um, it was already a burgeoning industry. But um,

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Speaker 1: but it is very big now. Um. And yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I never we we we never gave y'allum her her

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Speaker 1: her credentials, so so to speak. We talked through a

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Speaker 1: few things during our conversation, but um, but yeah, she's

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Speaker 1: done special makeup effects on things like your pretty face

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Speaker 1: is going to Hell. Um, she's done props on shows

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Speaker 1: like Doom Patrol and the film Frankenstein Created Bikers. She

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Speaker 1: did set dressing on the stuff you should know TV

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Speaker 1: series are very own Josh and Chucks, very short lived

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Speaker 1: but lovely TV series UM and V has recently been

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Speaker 1: working as the special effects foreman on Stranger Things. So cool.

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Speaker 1: I know, every time I see her, I'm like, tell

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Speaker 1: me what weird stuff you're covering people in today? Yes? Yes,

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Speaker 1: so what a yeah, fun question, like a legitimate work

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Speaker 1: question to get somebody. Yeah, it's it's it's really it's

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Speaker 1: always really entertaining because because she's actually a huge podcast

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Speaker 1: listener and I'm a huge like horror media consumer and

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Speaker 1: so right, so with our powers combined, we just like

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Speaker 1: get into a room and nerd out with each other

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Speaker 1: all day. Also, congratulations to V. She just she she

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Speaker 1: just got hitched. U. Yeah. It was a lovely hand fasting.

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Speaker 1: And um, so many, so many congratulations all all around

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Speaker 1: on all of this success and and love and all

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Speaker 1: of that. Yes, so beautiful, even though so much of

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Speaker 1: what we discussed is so gross. It's real gross. Oh

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Speaker 1: hack it gets I had forgotten. I was like, oh wow, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, we went there cool. Sure did, We sure did,

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Speaker 1: and we were disgusting, Like I don't know if we

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Speaker 1: ever a saver like special effects thing we could do.

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Speaker 1: And I still haven't given up hope on this. I

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Speaker 1: think it could happen. I think, uh, I think COVID

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Speaker 1: for for a little while longer. But I never never

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Speaker 1: lose hope. Um oh goodness. I also yeah, um. Listening back,

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Speaker 1: I was like, wow, like this, this was so early

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Speaker 1: in um our kind of like like food Stuff Saver careers,

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Speaker 1: um and uh. And I was just so delighted by

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Speaker 1: like the interview just dissolves into V saying stuff and

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Speaker 1: me laughing and you probably silently laughing in the background. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it really was. Um And So, without further ado, we

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Speaker 1: are going to get into this classic episode. Hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome to food Stuff. I'm Any and I'm Lauren vocal Bomb.

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Speaker 1: And this it's kind of a strange one. It is okay,

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Speaker 1: let me okay, get my voice ready here. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: food Stuff super food stuffed action packed special forks episode

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Speaker 1: starring food. There will be blood, guts, vomits, everything you

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Speaker 1: But it's still on our brain. And we have our

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Speaker 1: first non house stuff works in house guests. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: got to sit down with v Kelly um who is

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but first, but first, what are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: Really well, food has long been used in movies for

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Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor, Yeah, thank you. Okay. So on film,

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Speaker 1: all going to laugh at you? Lauren? It was a

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're looking to create scabs or scrapes or burns.

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Speaker 1: for scrapes, corn flakes a great I knew Tony the

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Speaker 1: another adhesive that is meant specifically to go on human skin. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Good looking at sack. Yeah, and somehow I missed this scene,

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Speaker 1: but this came up a lot. We're researching quite a scene. Well, um,

425
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: from Game of Throne season seven, there's a scene where

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00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: um Sam, well, yeah, he has to clean up a

427
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: bunch of poop from toilets. Yeah yeah, yeah, bad pants,

428
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: um fruitcakes dumped in water, shaped and aged. That's what

429
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: was the poop aged? I know, right, I can't remember

430
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Speaker 1: how long they said that scene. It's a very short scene,

431
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: but to do that it took days or something. It's

432
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Speaker 1: a whole like almost like Aronofski asks sequence of yeah.

433
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Speaker 1: So yeah. Related the river of poop in the Shawshank

434
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: Redemption that Tim Robbin's character crawls out of the freedom

435
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: was not in fact poop, but a mixture of chocolate

436
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: syrup and sawdust. Yeah. Apparently that the real pipe was

437
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: super toxic. And they're like, oh, we shouldn't have Tim

438
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: Robbins do that. Yeah, but visual if because I'm the

439
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: only thing food is good for in terms of entertainment.

440
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: We'll get into some of that after a quick break

441
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank

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00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: you sponsor. Let's talk about audio. We are an audio

443
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: podcast after all. I said, Oh, heck, is that what

444
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: we're doing. Did you think we were just having a

445
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: regular old conversation with microphones in front of us? Could

446
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: be this is how we talked to all my friends.

447
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: Carry on a microphone everywhere just in case, do you

448
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: say something golden pair of headphones. Yeah. Um. We are

449
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: planning on returning to this in more detail, hopefully soon

450
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: in the future. Yeah, because we really want to try

451
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: to hook up with a foley artist who can kind

452
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: of show us how everything works. Yeah, and get to

453
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: maybe experiment. Yeah, but for now, here are some examples.

454
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: So going back to psych Oh, for the famous shower

455
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: scene the sounds of stabbing, several different melons were compared,

456
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: and the casaba melon was judged to be the most realistic.

457
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: Hitchcock himself picked that one. He was like, that's the

458
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: head sound right there. So what you're listening to you

459
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: When Giant Lee is stabbed in the showers, the sound

460
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: of a knife going into a cassaba melon. Um. Watermelon

461
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: is more frequently used for the sound of a skull

462
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: busting open. I've also heard of us smushing ahead of

463
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: like lettuce or cabbage, just like putting your full weight

464
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: on it and letting it. Kind of we should do

465
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: sound effect Lauren were so good um for ripping someone's

466
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: heart out. The pumpkin is the food of choice. Sound

467
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: artists record themselves opening up a pumpkin and then gutting

468
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: the innerns with their hands. Think about that next time

469
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: carving a pumpkin. Cool Um dried pasta is used for

470
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: bone breaking. You can crunch up all kinds of stuff

471
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: for that crunch. For impact sounds involving muscle, sound artists

472
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: might tear to snap or slice some lettuce, bock choy,

473
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: or celery, things like that. Yeah, even something just as

474
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: innocent as as the sound of cracking knuckles or like

475
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: adjusting your neck can can involve that kind of that

476
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: kind of a yes, good good fibrous vegetable sound. Um

477
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: V also mentioned that shredding cabbage um with a saw

478
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: sounds exactly like a neck being sawn through. I did

479
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: not question how she knews that. Um. Some folly artists

480
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: also add extra layers of sound, like um uh celery

481
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: wrapped in damp cloth for for breaking bones with kind

482
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: of like a spray of blood involved um or or

483
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: smushing pieces of apple with a shammy cloth was what

484
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: was used when Hannibal lecter ate a guard's face. That's

485
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: so interesting, like how did how do you come up that?

486
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: I don't know? X would. Yeah, if you're looking to

487
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: recreate the sound of something creeping through the woods, look

488
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: no further than a bag of potato chips. The crunching

489
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: of a chip sounds like footfalls on gried dead leaves

490
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: or even dense underbrush. I believe I read Platoon used

491
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: that sound effect. And you can sprinkle shredded coconut over

492
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: lettuce leaves if you want to make a like snow

493
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: or ash fall. Yeah. Half coconuts that are filled with

494
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: a padding of some type. Actually you're used for horse hoofs,

495
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: as demonstrated in Monty Python I'm a Holy Girl. Yeah,

496
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: you can also use half coconuts for impacts to a skull,

497
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: hey may babe, along with some lettuce for that for

498
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: that fun crunch. Yeah. Yeah, that's our brief sound sound section.

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00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: And this brings us to our interview portion. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: had V in the studio with us yesterday, So um,

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00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 1: so let's hear part of that conversation. We are joined

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Speaker 1: today by our film industry friend V Kelly. Hello, Hi,

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00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Uh so so so,

504
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: v Um, could you tell us a little bit about

505
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: your job? What do you do? Why are you here? Um?

506
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: My usual answer to that question is I kill people

507
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: for a living. Oh my gosh, we've got to get

508
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: out of here now, luring right now. We are in

509
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: a sound dampened room. Oh my goodness. It's the perfect job.

510
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: So I work with. UM. I fake kill people. Okay,

511
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: that's that's better. So blood effects. I make fake weapons

512
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: and kill you with those, and then design how all

513
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: those things happen, whether it be theater or film. Um,

514
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: and build the organs that get ripped out of your chest.

515
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: And if we want that heart still thumping, I do that.

516
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, that's great. That's the best job ever,

517
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: crazy dream job for sure. Uh So. UM, you're you're

518
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: tasked with creating all kinds of different effects. How often

519
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: does food get used in that? Oh? More than more,

520
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: more often than not. UM. I think because I do

521
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: a lot of work that is low budget, food ends

522
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: up being what we use. It's disposable it's safer for people.

523
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: We're talking about just allergies to a food as opposed

524
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: to an allergic reaction to silicone or latex or something

525
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: like that. So food is just it's just safer, it's cheaper,

526
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: easier to clean. Is there a lot of experimenting food

527
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: and stuff? Yeah, you never. You never use the same

528
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: thing twice. You're never doing the same gag twice. And

529
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: the things that these writers and these directors and that

530
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: they want, and then having to deal with the camera

531
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: people and the costume people. I want to ruin their

532
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: clothes Propsy, but everybody is so worried about their own stuff.

533
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, why can't I just cover that all in

534
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: blood on I just bring up a bunch of bags

535
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: and drops, and you know, they end up looking like

536
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga covered in plastic bags so they don't get sprayed.

537
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: One of the last things I did up in North Georgia,

538
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: I had the bag, the cameras and all the walls

539
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: so we didn't get any and they were like, where

540
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: is the blood going to go? And I was like,

541
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, Actually, I really don't know where this

542
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: blood is gonna go. It's gonna go everywhere. Let's just

543
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: bag everything. So we do that, and there's some people

544
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: off camera, like around the corner of a wall, and

545
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: I do my effect and it's a CEO two rig.

546
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: It sprays all over the place. People that weren't even

547
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: in the room got covered in blood. What that's fantastic. Yeah,

548
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: that's says you sound like a blood wizard. Like the

549
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: sound that sounds physically impossible, but in a really fun way.

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00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: I hope blood wizard is on your resume. Yeah, it's

551
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: my D and D character excellent. Speaking of blood, blood

552
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: is kind of like the classic effect. It's I mean

553
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: because it can go into any kind of movie, like

554
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: a rom com can have a blood effect in it. Um.

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00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: What uh? And I think that the classic recipe is

556
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: just corn syrup and food coloring, right, yeah, corn styrup,

557
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: food coloring. Um. I always we just got the food

558
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: coloring at the store, at the grocery store. But I

559
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: always recommend checking the boxes because around Halloween, people will

560
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: take all the red out of the little box and

561
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: then you'll just come home and all you'll have is green.

562
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: And you're like, I'm not making alien blood today, need

563
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: old blood. But you know you do wine. You do

564
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: want reds and blues and yellows in with your red um,

565
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I like to use this color called caramel. Also it's

566
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: a little thicker of a food die. But you have

567
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: all these colors at your disposal. Um. I also pick

568
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: up jello boxes, like like a black cherry jello. You

569
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 1: can grab all those little packets and um and that's great,

570
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: But you got to think about how old is this blood?

571
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,959
Speaker 1: Has it been rotting and drying on this person? Because

572
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: zombie blood is going to be darker and blacker is

573
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: this fresh blood is going to be a lot more

574
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: orange because me pumping out of you. Um. So you

575
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: basically just have to diet for for the occasion, the

576
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: blood occasion. So many blood occasions in different thicknesses and

577
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 1: uh and and purposes for yeah again, like like whether

578
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be staining a clothing or if it's just

579
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: getting thrown around in buckets or exactly. Uh. I know

580
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: that soap is not a food item, but uh, I

581
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: mean that's a really good base for blood if you're

582
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: needing to get it off of clothes, like starting with

583
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: a laundry detergent. Also, it'll prevent the blood from beating

584
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: up because it's a surficant. I think I'm saying that

585
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: word wrong, but yeah, it helps, uh prevents beating. Yes,

586
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: well yeah, it changes the surface tension. Yeah, you obviously

587
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: don't want to use soap for your mouth blood or

588
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: anything like that. You can use some like, uh, mouth

589
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: wash would be a good base for that. But yeah, yeah, yeah,

590
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: one set that I was with with you on um

591
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: you gave the actors a tooth wash um to to

592
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: stain their teeth to make them kind of look like

593
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: gross and yellow and yeah and that was tea tree oil, right, Yeah,

594
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: prevents gingerish. Good, So it's it's kind of dual purpose. Yeah, exactly, excellent. Well,

595
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: like you know, the mouth wash tends to be like

596
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: if you're having to pop that blood in your mouth,

597
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: say it's a theater thing, you know, a couple of

598
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: times during the whole run a day or a night,

599
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: and it can get it can burn your mouth a

600
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: little bit. So teach reola was a little less invasive

601
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: for you, and you know, just put it in a

602
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: little sandwich bag or something tied quick not and they

603
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: can keep the little pouch of their mouth and then

604
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: when they're ready to spit that blood they can bite

605
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: down into it and squirt that out, or they can

606
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: swish with it to get a nice tooth wash of blood. Lovely.

607
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: Who wants a zombie or a vampire with pristine teeth?

608
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: You need blood and flesh bits on there, Yeah, flesh bits.

609
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: Speaking of some of that chunkier stuff. How how do

610
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: you how do the larger kind of kind of more

611
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: viscous elements work? Like if you're if you're making an organ,

612
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: an organ, are you just gonna go like buy a

613
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: pig organ? Well you can. Um, I've used to pig

614
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: heart before. Um, they've come in freeze. They're huge, They're enormous,

615
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: So you have to literally sow these hearts back together

616
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: with leather tools. Oh wow, I mean. And then in

617
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: the hot, hot heat of Georgia, it's real fun to

618
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: work with a bloody pig heart and its migraceous carol

619
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: syrup blood and you just turn that human into like

620
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: a fruit roll up and then they're holding a real

621
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: pig heart and that flies all over the place. It's

622
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: it's really glamorous. We use a lot of like flour

623
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: and water, a lot of dough stuff like biscuit dough.

624
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: You can get the get little cans that freak you

625
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: out when you try to pop them. Feel like I

626
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: can't put this spoon and then it pops and everything's okay.

627
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: And take that ball it up into shapes, dip that

628
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: into some blood with different dyes. Vanilla pudding is really

629
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: good just getting like a butter scotch tapioca. Just globbing

630
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: that into stuff. You're gonna get pussy, stuff that will

631
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: get nice and good with possum blood on your organs. Uh.

632
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: I don't recommend using real animal organs and cuts of meat.

633
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: We've shoved like a pork tender loin into a leg

634
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: that we saw it open one time and kind of

635
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: left that in there for a little too long at

636
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: one and the smell of just brancid it is just awful. Yeah,

637
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: I imagine it's a lot nicer like if like if

638
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: vanilla pudding starts to get like just a little bit funky.

639
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean that stuff is made of science and magic

640
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: and like it's not so it's not gonna it's not

641
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: really going to go off the way that for sure

642
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: a tender loin would I say I would go with

643
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: vegetables more because you're gonna get that nice snap for

644
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: the bone if you're getting through there. But flashy stuff

645
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: like using some melons. Melon is great, just carving cutting

646
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: a melon and carving it into the shape of whatever

647
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: your need. Treat it so it looks like a body

648
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: part or an organ. But fruit and vegetables soak up

649
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: dies and stuff too, so you can shape that stuff

650
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: and carve it. There was another one I used. Um

651
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: the directors wanted. This was another film in North Georgia.

652
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: They wanted a pighead, and then they wanted in several

653
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: different forms. They wanted it look like to look like

654
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: I was cooked. Then we also had to cut the pighead,

655
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: and then we had a dream sequence where it was

656
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: used as a mask. So I had to make a

657
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: mold and I didn't have time to sculpt. Like I'm

658
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: I was building the stuff out of the back of

659
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: my truck in a car port in the mountains of

660
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: North Georgia, and I'm like wearing a Jeffrey Dahmer apron

661
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: and just you know, if it starts raining, I just

662
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: throw its harp and I just crawl in there and

663
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: I used my little mobile effects lob in there. But

664
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to sculpt it. And make a mold.

665
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: So the prop's girl went to a farmer's market here

666
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: in Atlanta and drove it all the way up to

667
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: Iowa See, and I made a mold of this frozen

668
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: pighead and it, you know, he was, Oh my goodness.

669
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: I used actual mold making supplies like that you used

670
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: for body casting. Super expensive stuff, but normally takes about

671
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: maybe twenty minutes to care. This took seven hours to cure.

672
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: It turned out great, and I was able to make

673
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: them pig head mold and and it was fantastic. But

674
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: there was blood all inside of the mold and cleaning

675
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: that out, and that's so cool. I don't recommend do anything.

676
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: What what about what about some of those other fun

677
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: bodily fluids, like I mean like like clearly or I

678
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: mean for for most directors anyway, you probably don't want

679
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: anything on set that's going to actually make people vomit.

680
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: So what depends on how much realism you're going for.

681
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: I suppose there's a lot of things that you can't

682
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: show on television. I never know what it is. There's

683
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: a lot of things you can't say, and um, I

684
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: don't think you can show feces. But we have on

685
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: your pretty bays. Um. I think it was season one.

686
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: Um My buddy Shade went to the crafty table and

687
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: crafty tables where you get all your snacks and stuff

688
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: on sets, and and it's like opening them a fridge,

689
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: just open the edge and you stare at it for

690
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: a minute and you walk away with crafty tables like that.

691
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: So he went over there and he found some crafty

692
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: brownies and he got a little sandwich bag and he

693
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: cut a hole in the sandwich bag and he shoved

694
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: them around. He's in there and just squeezed in out

695
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: like it was icing. But because it was thick like

696
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: a brownie, it came out on little turns like landed

697
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: on our actor Henry Zabowski's face, just landed just beautifully

698
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: like across his face, and he was he was actually

699
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: hanging upside down at the moment, and it submerged in

700
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: a tub of water. I think he was having flashbacks

701
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: in there or something. But we've done that. So brownie

702
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: is great for feces. Um. I think we we've used

703
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: like little kale sprigs and stuff to shove in them,

704
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: just to give it a little bit of a fiber. Yeah,

705
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: I mean I mean that's what we've used before. Uh

706
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: Like everything that you can find on the crafty table

707
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: is something that you can use for vomit. It just

708
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: gets yourself a nice space, Like mushroom soup is fantastic. Yeah,

709
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: adding something that gives a little bit of color, some

710
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: fruity pebbles or something. Just imagine, just really think about

711
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: what that person has eaten that day and just you

712
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: know character specific like oatmeal is great and that'll like

713
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: that'll swell and be dried or whatever you want, depending

714
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: And it's uh one that my buddy, uh I think

715
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: it was my buddy Marcus, Marcus Cotch. He works out

716
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: of l A. He his favorite thing to do is

717
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: uses corn, beef, hash and milk. Oh my goodness, and

718
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: it's disgusting. Yeah, that sounds real gross. That sounds like

719
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: I would gag a little bit for real on that. Yeah.

720
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I don't recommend using real milk, use

721
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: almond milk because those lights can make things not rely

722
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: Like you know those pictures when you're a kid of

723
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: the cereal boxes and there's milk dripping on the spoon.

724
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: That's Elmer's glue. Oh is it really? They can't do that.

725
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: Now you have to use real food stuffs for that.

726
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: But but yeah, don't use real milk. Oh and don't

727
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: use honey. Use maple syrup. If you got a coat,

728
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: a human body and honey, you know, maple syrup works

729
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: just fine. It's cheaper, it doesn't solidify as quickly, and

730
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: so you can wash that off a lot easier. Having

731
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: the conversations with costume to be like, okay, well do

732
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: you have a double of this because I have actual

733
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: food die in this blood or in this this liver, yeah,

734
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: or this pig heart um, and and then you know,

735
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: and then we have to reset, reset again. So you

736
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: want to do things in like a very try to

737
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: do things as quick as possible, So using things that

738
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: are dies is really helpful. But you know, the conversations

739
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: that I have with these directors too, it's just it's like, well,

740
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: do you mean how much after birth do you want?

741
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: I mean, how long has this this this fish baby

742
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: been on this woman's chest exactly. We have an episode

743
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: with with bobcat Goldthwaite Smiths Bits and Monsters that I

744
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: cannot share, but we did use bananas as after earth

745
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: in a in a pinch from from a crafty craft table.

746
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was great, just dripping all over the

747
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: actress that was dripping off the baby, and it's just

748
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: you're like, what is that? What the hell is that?

749
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: And it's just bananas smashed up. That's so it's an

750
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: actual common occurrence where like I mean, like I I

751
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: assume that you have some kind of like plan going in,

752
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: but but then on set something changes, or they ask

753
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: for something slightly different, or you realize it's someone that

754
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,479
Speaker 1: one of the actors has a coco allergy or something

755
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: like that, and all of a sudden, you're just like, okay,

756
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: what stuff. You know, there's some Cheetos perfect. Oh yeah,

757
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean you have to pack for war, like have

758
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: a really nice kit, but that crafty table is your

759
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: best friend. Cheeto is great for brain stuff. So I'll

760
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: tell more about that later. But but you know, you

761
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: do have to you have to be you kind of

762
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: have to maguiver. You have to be the daughter at

763
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: me my lady, the daughter of Martha Stewart and mcgivers.

764
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: So you have to be able to problem solve really

765
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: quickly and and and you get that by experience or

766
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: just just thrifty this. You know, you're just like, oh man,

767
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: this would be so cool. Let's try that because I know,

768
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: like I said, I never do the same gag twice.

769
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: That's a secret. I'll share. Diet soda I mixed with

770
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: my blood a lot if I'm gonna be doing a

771
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: spray rig because it's already carbonated so it has it

772
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: gives it a little extra yeah and it and it

773
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: just gives it. It sprays out a lot better. You

774
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: get a little bit more of a dusting of the

775
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: of the blood and stuff. So diet cokes, I not

776
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: diet soda. Sure it's wearing it right. Also does our

777
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: coke here? That's the proper name for them. True, very true.

778
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: But I mean like I can use silicone for prosthetics

779
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: and things like that. But but that that's such a

780
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: that's that stuff so expensive. There's one store in my

781
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: area here in Atlanta, engineer guy. They're fantastic, but there's

782
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: one store within like a five mile radius basically sells

783
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: all these special effects supplies. So people in in more

784
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: rural areas. Um, there's this woman. I think it's like

785
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: Tiffany Bay's Special Effects or s effex on. She's like seventeen.

786
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: She's on Instagram founder On there, um she makes uh

787
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: mortician's wax, which is some of the oldest stuff that

788
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: you can use. It's just paste wackfin yeah, basically, and

789
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: it's a flesh tone. Um, and you can make crazy

790
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: wounds with a dress with blood cover up. Seems with

791
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: that it's fantastic stuff. But she she posted that she

792
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: uses flower and vasiline and they're just a little coloring.

793
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's brilliant. I mean for like for like

794
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: scabs and scars and stuff like, yeah, I like to

795
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: build a profility to have a gunshot and have it

796
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: like gaping open with little skin flapping like that's what

797
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: she she used. And it looks like the real stuff

798
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: that we buy in the store in the special effects shop.

799
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: That that stuff is great. I mean scab stuff you're

800
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: talking about that's just jelly and nutritional yeast. You know,

801
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: you can get some weird stuff out of your fridge

802
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: for scabs, well, even not gory stuff. Prosthetic wise. You

803
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: can go through your your spice cabinet or your mom's

804
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: spice cabinet. You know those little unist stars, they're they're beautiful. Um,

805
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: the I mean, I guess you can't really. I mean

806
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: they're edible, I suppose, just probably horrible in one big bite. Yeah,

807
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: you probably want to eat a whole one, but you could. Yeah,

808
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: you can use that stuff for like Mermaid makeup. Glue

809
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: it to their head. It's really pretty. Maybe use some

810
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: cake decorating supplies, a little little pearl balls and stuff

811
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: like that. You can get pretty crazy with because special effects.

812
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: I also do special effects makeup or um special makeup

813
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: effects or whatever you want to call it. It's turning

814
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: people into monsters or pretty people into monsters, or monsters

815
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: into pretty people. But I mean you can get decorative.

816
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't always have to be gory. I mean, if

817
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: you wanted and making them dirty to um dirting up

818
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: their skin and or instead of using actual makeup, you

819
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: can use cocoa powders, you know, various levels of that.

820
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: So you've got your extra dark, your special Dirk. Then

821
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: you've got you know, your milk, chocolate powders, um any

822
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: of that, any any of that stuff flour Obviously, you

823
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: can whiten up people with that brush that on their skin.

824
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: It's also good for adjusting costumes too, if they've been

825
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: crawling to the dirt. Just put some cocoa powder on them.

826
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: They smell great, much cheaper, too much cheaper than special effects.

827
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: That's like bright yellow. You can come up with something

828
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: to use that for coffee grinds, all that stuff. Like,

829
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: it's all You can stay in a human easily with

830
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: that stuff. And I've I've definitely done the silly thing

831
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: where I've um dirt stained addressed by rubbing it in

832
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: the dirt. But that's but that's not advisable. You don't

833
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: want to do that because there's parasites and dirt, there's bugs,

834
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: there's allergens in there that you may not be aware

835
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: that you're allergic to or or certainly hopefully not your talent.

836
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to stick something on your

837
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: talent and all of a sudden they have this massive

838
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: boily rash that you didn't make out of food and

839
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: they acquired themselves. You don't, all of a sudden they

840
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: have ring worm. Yeah, that's not. Yeah, you don't want

841
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: to be rubbing stuff in the dirt. No that No,

842
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: can we do a little like improv experiment with you,

843
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: Like let's say that we were filming a food stuff

844
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: horror movie. Yeah, and um, and Annie wanted to. It's

845
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Speaker 1: like it's sort of like Highlander like, like Annie wanted

846
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Speaker 1: to gain my power by eating my brain. Why am

847
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Speaker 1: I the villain here? I want to gain Annie's power

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Speaker 1: by eating her brain. Wait a minute, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be that person either. Alright, go ahead, Okay, we're

850
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Speaker 1: both eating Dylan's brain. Don't have a microphone, so he

851
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: can't complain. Um, but you can't leave the building. Okay,

852
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: so we I will say that because we have covered

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Speaker 1: me in blood here and how stuff works before, Like

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Speaker 1: there is probably some Carol syrup and like a like

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Speaker 1: a like a tub of ben Nigh blood powder. Okay,

856
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Speaker 1: perfect on premises. But other than that, Um, there's like

857
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Speaker 1: some restaurants downstairs, like a pizza place, a burger joint,

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Speaker 1: raman place, uh, pretty much any kind of food you

859
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Speaker 1: can imagine Indian. Yeah, okay, I mean you got everything

860
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Speaker 1: you need in this building. Okay, you eat some brains.

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Speaker 1: What would he do? Well? First step is to make

862
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Speaker 1: sure that everything is clean and sterile. If you're going

863
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Speaker 1: to be shoving your mouth out to her open skull,

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Speaker 1: anything that gets put on her head. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: got gloves. The containers are going to be sterile, and

866
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Speaker 1: because I don't nothing, I don't want anybody else's mouth

867
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Speaker 1: to beyond that. Sure, it's it's like it's like a kitchen.

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Speaker 1: It's like a professional kitchen exactly. Yeah. So I mean

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Speaker 1: I would, uh probably I can't shave your head. I

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Speaker 1: would probably get something dough eat it to it to

871
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Speaker 1: start with, to stick everything onto your head. So let's

872
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Speaker 1: go to the pizza dea place, little ball of pizza dough,

873
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Speaker 1: glove that onto her head. Um. We could probably find

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Speaker 1: some cheesy poofs in your catching over here, totally grand

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Speaker 1: other bright orange. But you got those nice curls, which

876
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: is like, how a brain? Yeah, all those wrinkles. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a that's a little special shade Morton trick. We

878
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: had done to do some brains with little cheesy poofs. Um,

879
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: and you can change the color of that with your

880
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: fake blood and stuff. But you know, I mean, any

881
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: of those shops down there, we can we can get

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Speaker 1: something syrupy and turn it into dripping blood all over

883
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: your mouth. More and just just I mean the coffee

884
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Speaker 1: shop downstairs, get some chocolate syrups. I mean, these are

885
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: all basics, but I mean I usually I don't know

886
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Speaker 1: what I'm going to use when it comes to that

887
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Speaker 1: last minute stuff until I opened that fridge look at

888
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Speaker 1: it and stare at that crafty table, or look at

889
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Speaker 1: my kit. You know. Um if if say you've been

890
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Speaker 1: dead for a minute and laying in the grass and

891
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: your brains been eating open and there's ants crawling on you,

892
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: cocoa crispies, we can get a little ketchup bottles at

893
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: the little condiment stations are the best, by the way, Sarastah,

894
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: that's that's such a nice color to use. To get

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Speaker 1: a little squirt bottle. And and as you're pulling the

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Speaker 1: brains out of her mouth, you can have someone off

897
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Speaker 1: camera just squeezing the catchup bottle and blood squirting all

898
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Speaker 1: over the place. I'm really goodn't do it. I think

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Speaker 1: we should do a short a short scene, and then

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Speaker 1: we can Okay, we can maybe. Okay, how does your

901
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: head get smashed open? Okay? Okay, smash it through a window,

902
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: through one of these sound booth windows. Okay. That's another

903
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: common food product. Another another common food product for special

904
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Speaker 1: effects is sugar glass. You ever see anybody smash somebody

905
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Speaker 1: in the head with a bottle or they'll go through

906
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: the glass. I mean, there's there's a fake rubber glass

907
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: that takes like eighteen hours to set up. It's really

908
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: fun and I love using it, but um, this is

909
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: something that's super difficult, and I haven't found anybody in

910
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: Atlanta that can actually make the sugar glass recipe work

911
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: well because it's it's getting the right colors and it

912
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Speaker 1: goes into the oven. Um, I haven't looked it up

913
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Speaker 1: in a little while, but if it's if you've baked

914
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: it for too long, the glass can turn like golden

915
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: and burnt. But the fake glasses just sugar, and so

916
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: we can smash your head with them, the fake sugar

917
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Speaker 1: glass window, and have the shards sticking out of your head. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm so on board. So on board. Um, well, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being our first non house stuff

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Speaker 1: works in house guests on stuff. It's very exciting. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys. This is great. Yeah. Yeah, and that's the

922
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Speaker 1: end of a super special, jam packed special effects episode. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I hope that you enjoyed it as much as we

924
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Speaker 1: did and that you weren't too squeaked out by all

925
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: of the bodily fluids conversation. Yeah, and thanks again, so

926
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Speaker 1: much to be for being here. Yes, absolutely, it's awesome

927
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Speaker 1: to talk to her. I could have we could have

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Speaker 1: gone on and on, and she has inspired me and

929
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Speaker 1: hopefully some of you listeners. I want to make a

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Speaker 1: food stuff short film horror. Yes we can. We gotta

931
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Speaker 1: add in all of the things we mentioned. We gotta

932
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Speaker 1: find a way to incorporate like ash fall with the

933
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Speaker 1: coconut falling on lettuce. We need some sugar glass. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but our one hundred episode is coming up,

935
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Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I'm percolating on some ideas,

936
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Speaker 1: but I think there's something to this. I think so too.

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Speaker 1: We get to go to our boss. We need one

938
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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. We've got a special effects film. It's

939
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Speaker 1: gonna be great, but we really need the funding. Yeah,

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00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: it just makes sense business wise, I mean clearly. Yeah,

941
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Speaker 1: that's how all audio podcasts should celebrate exactly really large

942
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: scale horror production. And that brings us to the end

943
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Speaker 1: of this classic episode. I have to say this has

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Speaker 1: been on my mind lately because I have been watching

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Speaker 1: a lot of horror movies. I just gotten discussion with

946
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Speaker 1: like the best types of fake blood, and most of

947
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Speaker 1: them are food based um with somebody uh as you know,

948
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Speaker 1: also what's easiest to wash out of clothes and sheets? Um,

949
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: just that those sounds oh right, yeah, food sounds can

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Speaker 1: be real so much like cabbage and lettuce recommendations which

951
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: I adore. Yeah so um so I don't know. I

952
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Speaker 1: hope that this was was fun for y'all to catch

953
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: up on as well, um, and that maybe it has

954
00:55:54,400 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: inspired you for your upcoming Halloween celebrations. Yes, oh yes,

955
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: you know with the kid you reach in its spaghetti,

956
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: they tell you what's in tests and the field, grapes

957
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: of the eyes, h all kinds of things. Um. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we we hope that you enjoyed. We would love to

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Speaker 1: hear what you're getting up to for Halloween. You can

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Speaker 1: email us at hello at saborpod dot com. We're also

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Speaker 1: on social media. You can find us on Twitter, Facebook,

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Speaker 1: and Instagram at savor pod, and we do hope to

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Speaker 1: hear from you. Savor is production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, you can visit

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Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

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Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows. Thanks as always to our

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Speaker 1: superproducers Dylan Fagin and Andrew Howard thanks to you for listening,

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Speaker 1: and we hope that lots more good things are coming

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Speaker 1: your way.