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Speaker 1: All media.

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Speaker 2: I did it for Palestine. I did it for Gaza.

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Speaker 3: As you may know, last week, Elias Rodriguez, thirty one

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Speaker 3: years old, shout at Free Palestine as he was arrested

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Speaker 3: after popping two young workers at the Israeli consulate last week,

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Speaker 3: and the couple was about to be engaged. They were

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Speaker 3: involved in working again in the Israeli Consulate while leaving

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Speaker 3: the Jewish Museum. Now, conventional knowledge and basic common sense

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Speaker 3: would say, these acts are indefensible, and I'm not here

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Speaker 3: to defend them. I'm here to echo doctor King. So

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Speaker 3: tapping with me today, I want to talk about radicalization,

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Speaker 3: and I want to talk about it in a very

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Speaker 3: careful way, because these events like this oftentimes become not

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Speaker 3: so much a product of what happened, but a product

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Speaker 3: of how you view what happened, and then we miss

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Speaker 3: actually what's really going on here. This is one of

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Speaker 3: those very few yes and moments. Yes, Sarah and Yarin

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Speaker 3: were taken from us in cold blood. That they are

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Speaker 3: two young people who have not directly pulled any particular trigger,

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Speaker 3: who just happened to be a part of a community,

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Speaker 3: and who knows what their hearts and minds felt about

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Speaker 3: the barrage of violence put on by their community. Who

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Speaker 3: knows if there's truly any anti Semitism in the heart

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Speaker 3: of Elias Rodriguez, who knows? And six figures worth of

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Speaker 3: children who also have not pulled any particular trigger, families

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Speaker 3: being currently purposefully starved. See I think it's very important

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Speaker 3: to say that Gaza is not facing starvation. Gaza is

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Speaker 3: being starved. And as we spoke of earlier this week

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Speaker 3: on the Wednesday show, the Narcissists reveals their cards. This

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Speaker 3: is an ethnic cleansing. This is an ethnic cleansing. This

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Speaker 3: is a forcible removal. Either die or go somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: This is and Hamas is your cover. This, my friends,

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Speaker 3: my folks, my camp folk, is why you need research

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Speaker 3: and experts, because the research and the experts have consistently

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Speaker 3: proven what all of our I see and if you

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Speaker 3: are anywhere within a ten mile radius of my age

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Speaker 3: experienced with your own eyes. The fact is, state sponsored

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Speaker 3: violence creates radicalization, the feelings of hopelessness when the balance

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Speaker 3: of power is so askewed, the depth of despair and destruction.

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Speaker 3: Throw a rock anywhere in the Middle East at any

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Speaker 3: organized what we in the West call terrorist groups. Now

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Speaker 3: I'm not even just gonna say the West, because people

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Speaker 3: who live in those environments would say the same thing.

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Speaker 3: These terrorists were not always that. These were people who

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Speaker 3: are watching either their own government or the homies of

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Speaker 3: the government wipe out any possibility for their future.

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Speaker 2: What choice would anyone have?

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Speaker 1: Is that not?

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Speaker 3: I mean what we call militia and freedom fighters, That's

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Speaker 3: the name we called them when they American. I bring

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Speaker 3: up Doctor King because Doctor King, which I've said many

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Speaker 3: times and I just want to remind you of when

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Speaker 3: talking about the Watts riots, he described Watts as a

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Speaker 3: powder keg. You can only beat on people for so

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Speaker 3: long it is going to turn them into an insurgent force.

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Speaker 3: Inevitably all over the planet. This continues to happen. You

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Speaker 3: either turn the neutral citizens who actually see these insurgents

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Speaker 3: in here and just wipe out entire villages, and then

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Speaker 3: I see this insurgent force say something like, do you

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Speaker 3: want them to stop? Will let us fight them? I'd like,

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Speaker 3: you are going you turn me into their hands. These

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Speaker 3: are the predictions of almost every humanitarian organization since October seventh.

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Speaker 3: They were trying to tell Israel, be careful how you respond.

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Speaker 3: Less you turn your allies into enemies, less you multiply

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Speaker 3: the forces of Hamas. But don't nobody listen to people

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Speaker 3: that are actually outside help and do that. Now this

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Speaker 3: might sound like victim blame me, but it's really not,

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Speaker 3: because again, I don't know who Sarah and Yarn is.

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Speaker 3: We don't know the types of things that they're working on,

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Speaker 3: or at least I don't know. But that's not the

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Speaker 3: point I'm trying to give you. The point I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to give you is radicalization plays on different levels.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 3: We're not talking about logic. We're talking about a hijacked amygdala.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about fight or flight. We're talking about the

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Speaker 3: very sense of identity of emotions. See, it really helps

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Speaker 3: me by being a part of this network here for

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Speaker 3: me to really understand even how radicalized far right gets to.

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Speaker 3: Where they get to whether true or not they feel

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Speaker 3: an existential threat, your prefrontal cortex gets turned off in

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Speaker 3: a way that some might call insanity but others might

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Speaker 3: just call survival. Lastly, I'd like to recommend a book.

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Speaker 3: It's called Hate in the Homeland. It's written by Cynthia

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Speaker 3: Miller Idris. Now you might recognize the last name Idris

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Speaker 3: because we interviewed Shamo Idres, who is the CEO of

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Speaker 3: Search for Common Ground. So this is a power couple

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Speaker 3: in a way that none of y'all could even imagine.

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Speaker 3: She is the four absolute expert in far right radical

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Speaker 3: terrorism in Western countries. She is the person who testified

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Speaker 3: prove that the biggest threat of terrorism in America is

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Speaker 3: from far right extremists. And she walks you through their

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Speaker 3: recruiting process us, what's going on emotionally, the stories they

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Speaker 3: believe about themselves, and the existential threat that they experience. Now,

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Speaker 3: the difference between these people in this book and the

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Speaker 3: situations we talk about is, in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 3: these far rights people's genocide is imagined. The citizens of Gaza,

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Speaker 3: that's not imagined. That's really happening, and it's in front

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Speaker 3: of the world's eyes. My hope would be that our

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Speaker 3: hope is that violence stops, period, whether it's action or reaction.

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Speaker 3: I would hope that we would hope it would all end.

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Speaker 3: But my request to man, this is a hard request,

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Speaker 3: but I feel like from one marginalized people group to another.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm standing on pretty solid ground to

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Speaker 3: address this. It is deeply heinous and incredibly sinister to

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Speaker 3: watch the sources of our oppression, people who cause it,

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Speaker 3: use our oppression and weaponize it for their own game.

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Speaker 2: And this is what seems to.

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Speaker 3: Be clearly happening with anti Semitism, because anti Semitism is

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Speaker 3: in fact real, some people just be hating Jews.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: While this might not be a one to one because

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Speaker 3: I can't ever imagine the government actually using anti blackness

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Speaker 3: for their own game because they just really don't like us,

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Speaker 3: but I can say I can't tell you how deeply

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Speaker 3: grieved and frustrated I feel when I am witnessing in

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Speaker 3: my own eyes a person of color, specifically a black person,

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Speaker 3: being used to further the gains of power by our

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Speaker 3: oppressive state.

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Speaker 2: What of canvas.

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Speaker 3: This may seem like a silly example, but I would

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Speaker 3: say Drake is one of those. Why we felt so

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Speaker 3: deeply about him not being like us was his one

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Speaker 3: line that he thought was a bar when he said, Kendrick,

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Speaker 3: you rap like you trying to free the slaves, Because

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Speaker 3: what that sounds like is you want to send chains

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Speaker 3: to respond to a battle rap with a lawsuit against

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Speaker 2: Event that you started.

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Speaker 3: No less is in some ways, you as a black

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, sir, do you understand how oppression works? You

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Speaker 3: might score a win this time. It was crazy about

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Speaker 3: that particular situation. As Massa said, man, shut your ass up.

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Speaker 3: Boyd you benefit from this too, So close your mouth.

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Speaker 3: But there might be a short term win right now

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Speaker 3: with the United States government using anti Semitism as a

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Speaker 3: cover for this fascist takeover.

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Speaker 2: That they're doing.

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Speaker 3: You might get some short term wins right now. But

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Speaker 3: I could tell you as a person of color, I

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Speaker 3: could tell you as a black man, I could tell you,

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Speaker 3: as a person that's part of the African diaspora.

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Speaker 2: That's short money.

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Speaker 3: These oppressive states always go back to who they always are.

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Speaker 2: These people do not love you.

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Speaker 3: So while I mourn the loss of those two young souls,

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Speaker 3: I can do that and also be absolutely outraged by

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Speaker 2: And you should too. It's not that complicated.

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Speaker 3: But as a student of history, as a hood politician,

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Speaker 3: that I hope y'all all are. If y'all't know anything,

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Speaker 3: you should notice here's exhibit Q. State sponsored violence creates terrorism.

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Speaker 3: Just tap in with me, actually tap into this new

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Speaker 3: song that's coming out on my new record that's kind

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Speaker 3: of around the idea of how a person becomes radicalized,

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Speaker 3: which is going on in Syria right now, literally literally

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Speaker 3: families of the Isis folks that they captured and as

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Speaker 3: Syria changed their regime, and the longer than.

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Speaker 2: Kids staying there, watch all right.

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Speaker 4: On me.

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Speaker 1: There was blood on the streets, brains on the side, Dwark,

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Speaker 1: body talks, the tideless phone as we speak, the bounce

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Speaker 1: stop as we speak, the body count ride because each

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Speaker 1: week blood on the streets, brains on the side, dwalk

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Speaker 1: the inside. The infants are right it off beat.

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Speaker 2: How you not losing sleep? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 1: How you not cynical seeing these sights? Your bread life

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Speaker 1: must be pitiful.

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Speaker 2: Conscience broken.

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Speaker 1: It's clear as crystal when a government official autographs a missile,

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Speaker 1: your whole soul's a sham with no right to would spam.

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Speaker 1: Your pro life is a scam, and only rubber remains

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Speaker 1: in the perthplace of son of man, and everlasting famine

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Speaker 1: was made at your hand. Blood on the streets, brains

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Speaker 1: on the side, your body parts of toddlers ball as

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Speaker 1: we speak, the bombs drop as we speak.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no R side. That's in a R tide.

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Speaker 2: What's wrong with your eyes? What happened?

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Speaker 1: Signed?

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Speaker 4: You will kill your profits? The usls, you rockets, the

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Speaker 4: blood that fills our pockets while you lying.

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Speaker 2: The whole world is watching them.

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Speaker 4: College kids are marching and the bombs you drop in

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Speaker 4: the guarantees that they will never trust you, they will

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Speaker 4: never love and they were gods trying to bring.

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Speaker 2: You to your hoss.

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Speaker 4: Blood on the streets, brains on the side, Yeah, body

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Speaker 4: parts of tideless ball as we speak, The bombs drop

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Speaker 4: as we speak, and the body cow raises each week.

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Speaker 4: Get blood on the streets, brains on the side, yelping,

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Speaker 4: insides of infants are right at our feet, how y'all?

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Speaker 2: And not losing sleeps?

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Speaker 3: What do you think like.

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Speaker 4: You think works?

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Speaker 1: Boll What do you think it's like?

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Speaker 4: This full of.

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Speaker 3: Tripness and people wanting to crucifire life.

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Speaker 1: The blood on the streets brings on the side speed,