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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Thursday, October fifth, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen,
Speaker 1: episode number fifty one. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: I'm Derek Heelton, joined by Nick Eatman, Dave Hellman, Amber
Speaker 1: Garcia rely from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star,
Speaker 1: and today we're gonna talk about the Cowboys and the Packers.
Speaker 1: Yesterday we talked about the Packers offense um and Dave
Speaker 1: told you guys why the Cowboys have no shot at
Speaker 1: win in this game. Today we'll talk about the Packers defense.
Speaker 1: That's not what I said. We'll see if Dave has
Speaker 1: a little more optimistic view of the Cowboys Cowboys champ
Speaker 1: of being able to score against this Packer Stefens. How's
Speaker 1: everybody this morning? Good? Great, good, good good. We're just
Speaker 1: jumping right in, Actually we are. We're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: jump in unless you have something you want to say
Speaker 1: as a prelude to us jumping in. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe we could talk injuries or something before it's a cab. Actually,
Speaker 1: when I say jump in, that's where I was gonna
Speaker 1: go first. We were gonna go to I'll let you,
Speaker 1: I'll let you host. That seems to work a lot
Speaker 1: of the time because when I host, we'll hear about
Speaker 1: it on Twitter. We do hear about it, like you
Speaker 1: and all. But yeah, and I'm like, uh, he's coming
Speaker 1: back Thursday and thirty. Do your kids do that to you?
Speaker 1: Like when my wife out of time, I saw my
Speaker 1: kids treat me like Dad, you're doing a good job.
Speaker 1: But when's mom coming back? Like you know, all right,
Speaker 1: let's jump in. Let's talk about injuries because they like
Speaker 1: mac and cheese. Good point, Let's talk about injuries. There
Speaker 1: was a big injury for the Cowboys yesterday. Well I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say big injury. There was an injury to a
Speaker 1: player that is of note from name standpoint. People talk
Speaker 1: about him, and he'd been in active a little bit.
Speaker 1: But Charles Tapper breaks his foot yesterday. What are we
Speaker 1: expecting is going to happen, Dave, I know you were
Speaker 1: all over this story yesterday when it was breaking. I
Speaker 1: was literally all over this story because I was standing
Speaker 1: on Charles Tapper trying to talk to his foot. Not
Speaker 1: on his foot, but I might as well have been.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, if you've ever been in the Cowboys
Speaker 1: locker room, when a popular player talks, it's kind of
Speaker 1: it's really unfortunate for the guys that sit next to
Speaker 1: him hated for him. So, yeah, they should be a
Speaker 1: podium or something. Yeah, you would think that would make
Speaker 1: them make sense. I don't know. So Tap broke his
Speaker 1: foot yesterday in practice and act it was our very
Speaker 1: own Amber Garcia that got the scoop. She was like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with it? I felt so bad. No. I
Speaker 1: was going up to him to interview him for some
Speaker 1: almost Cowboys and I'm like, hey, can I do you
Speaker 1: have a few minutes. He's like, ah, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: can't go anywhere. I'm like, what do you mean? He's like,
Speaker 1: I just broke my foot, and I'm like, what are
Speaker 1: you serious? You said a matter of fact like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, and he's such a nice guy. He was
Speaker 1: still wanting to give me the interview, and then I
Speaker 1: felt horrible. He was getting you know, his crutches and
Speaker 1: his little boot on, and he basically told me, he's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I can't catch a break. I'll probably will be out
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. So sucks. It is
Speaker 1: a tough situation for him. I mean, well said not
Speaker 1: that he would have necessarily had a lot of opportunities
Speaker 1: this year because that he was already finding himself inactive
Speaker 1: and that's before David Irving was gonna be coming back
Speaker 1: into the mix. Um, so it was gonna be tough
Speaker 1: for him to find time playing time anyway. But still,
Speaker 1: when you go on ir you're kind of forgotten, You're
Speaker 1: you're out of the mix, and and that's a tough
Speaker 1: thing for players, Like yeah, I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: it's one of those things like dang, dang, that's that
Speaker 1: sucks for you. I'm sorry that. You mean, the organizations
Speaker 1: kind of happen for him. Well, you know, unless unless
Speaker 1: I don't know how it happened, unless and they had
Speaker 1: been wickery, like jumped on his foot and broke it.
Speaker 1: You know, this guy, it's all about self preservation. It's fine.
Speaker 1: I mean, practice injuries do not happen that often, except
Speaker 1: for the two guys that are from the two guys
Speaker 1: that get a lot of grief for getting hurt who
Speaker 1: have how they end up happen to them in the
Speaker 1: same week, within like four days of each other. Chads
Speaker 1: Green and Charles Tapper got hurt at practice. Chaz is
Speaker 1: apparently isn't bad. He's practicing again. But it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's a little ironic. Nobody asked me in the
Speaker 1: media if Chaz had the Aaron Donald flew. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't think that. But I don't explain what that
Speaker 1: means for people out there. They are a little slow.
Speaker 1: I think they got it. Aaron Donald pretty self explanatory.
Speaker 1: But you know what, who are we playing this week? Man?
Speaker 1: That hip? I don't know. I got feeling it today.
Speaker 1: What I tried to like research this is this like
Speaker 1: a thing that's ever happened, like in in any sport, baseball, bousketball,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's really happened. And then now that
Speaker 1: they say, well, you know that, maybe it's like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like this is this a
Speaker 1: documented thing that somebody one time was facing Roger Clemons
Speaker 1: and said, I don't feel I'm not up for it
Speaker 1: today or something like that. I don't know. I can
Speaker 1: see it in baseball because you play one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty two games and guys take days off anyway, Like
Speaker 1: you just get a day off every couple of weeks
Speaker 1: just because it's like missing a training camp practice. If
Speaker 1: you're a pro bowler, you know, you're just like, Ah,
Speaker 1: I could see a corner Thursday. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: it today. I could see a cornerback when the Vikings
Speaker 1: were coming to town and Randy, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have a hard time thinking a professional football player
Speaker 1: would run from it. A challenge. This is this is
Speaker 1: I know. I'm not saying Chas Green did that at all.
Speaker 1: This is an interesting segue. I'm not saying he did that.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it was brought to my attention. We're just
Speaker 1: talking about it. But now I don't think he did
Speaker 1: He's done that. I don't. I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there that believe this, But
Speaker 1: somebody tried to call us out on Twitter yesterday and
Speaker 1: was like, why can't y'all just tell the truth, Like
Speaker 1: if you know one minute Charles Tapper's a healthy and
Speaker 1: active now he broke his foot, which is it? Why? Like,
Speaker 1: why are you guys both can't be this? Why do
Speaker 1: we even listen if you're not going to tell the truth,
Speaker 1: like we're covering up the center. I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: he broke his foot in practice, like three hours ago,
Speaker 1: Like I saw him over the weekend. He was fine
Speaker 1: and as of the time of the show he was healthy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was like, this literally happened ninety minutes ago
Speaker 1: and we're reporting it. I don't know what else you
Speaker 1: want me to say, Like, it's not like they're making
Speaker 1: this up to cover the fact that, you know, so
Speaker 1: people get off their back about taco, Like you think
Speaker 1: you think the cowboys care that fans are aggravated that
Speaker 1: Charles Tapper's sitting here, don't. Yeah, probably have no idea. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: both of you guys were like cops at a high
Speaker 1: school party, like everyone back, getting people to back up
Speaker 1: after what they were saying, like especially you. You know
Speaker 1: that guy who tried to come at you and you
Speaker 1: and then about five seconds later he's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. That guy's same, so he didn't just say
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like He went on for like an hour,
Speaker 1: like I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, Please forgive me
Speaker 1: just I feel horrible. I'm the worst person in the
Speaker 1: face of the earth. Well, your guy was the same way.
Speaker 1: It was like, I'm sorry if you like, if you
Speaker 1: think I don't know what I'm talking about, like if
Speaker 1: you don't like my opinions, or you think I'm a
Speaker 1: downer because I think Aaron Rodgers is going to play
Speaker 1: well on Sunday, That's okay, that's fine. If you think
Speaker 1: that I'm like BS and you about you know, like
Speaker 1: trying to tow the company line, because you know, the
Speaker 1: cowboys are trying to hush things up because they don't
Speaker 1: want people questioning who they're making active on something. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of things I could say negative
Speaker 1: about you, Dave. That's not one of You're not that guy.
Speaker 1: I know that guy. I take that personally because I
Speaker 1: put a lot of value on Like what I'm saying
Speaker 1: to people is not BS. So it's at least what
Speaker 1: you believe, right, Yeah, absolutely, So when somebody comes at
Speaker 1: me like that, it's aggravating. All right, let's finish going
Speaker 1: through the rest of the injury report. There were actually
Speaker 1: some interesting notes on the injury report. Um yesterday. Here
Speaker 1: were the guys that were on their dry report but
Speaker 1: practice fully Cheetah by A. Woozier and Nolan Carroll, both
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks. That's a good sign for the Cowboys, Lyle Collins,
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott, Cavon, Frasier, Chaz green Um and Anthony Hitchins.
Speaker 1: Which that I think was probably the most important of all.
Speaker 1: Burying the ladle a little bit there. Well, the reason
Speaker 1: I said it last is because I actually want to
Speaker 1: talk about him and because of the fact that he
Speaker 1: practiced fully yesterday. Are we all and do you all agree?
Speaker 1: And from the things we're hearing, is he gonna play
Speaker 1: this week? The understanding, I haven't talked to him one
Speaker 1: on one. I haven't talked to him. I have Oh,
Speaker 1: I have talked to him one on one four day.
Speaker 1: Let's listen. Yeah, that's it. That's okay. That would take
Speaker 1: too much time to explain how frustrating that is. That's
Speaker 1: a reporter thing. If you're not really reporter, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna get it. So but go ahead, what did he
Speaker 1: tell you? You had a one on one and now
Speaker 1: it became a forty on one. Yeah, it happens, um
Speaker 1: does it? Yeah, it does us really interesting though I didn't.
Speaker 1: You don't think about all the stuff that goes in.
Speaker 1: But he's like, yeah, I practiced him pads the first
Speaker 1: time I was in pads practicing since I got hurt,
Speaker 1: I feel fine. If he said, he said, if it
Speaker 1: were up to me, I think they could have pushed
Speaker 1: me hard enough to get me ready for the RAMS.
Speaker 1: But obviously that type of stuff's out of my hands.
Speaker 1: He basically said, they're going to go look at the
Speaker 1: tape of how I played, and and if he said,
Speaker 1: if it looks good, they're going to give me the
Speaker 1: green light. He actually said, so locker room is from
Speaker 1: one twelve five to two thirty whatever. It's in the
Speaker 1: mid afternoon. He was like, by the end of today,
Speaker 1: I expect to know whether or not I'm good to go.
Speaker 1: So I'll go find him to day. And well, not
Speaker 1: only go find him today, but keep an eye on
Speaker 1: the injury report today. If he's full again today, that
Speaker 1: tells me everything I need to know. I feel very
Speaker 1: optimistic that he's going to be able to play in
Speaker 1: this game, which is the only thing I could think
Speaker 1: of as to why he wouldn't is just because you've
Speaker 1: got the bye week coming up, so why not give
Speaker 1: him another basically two weeks of rest. But if he's
Speaker 1: good to go, you know, if you're healthy, you're healthy.
Speaker 1: That's what people always argue about. So so the slip
Speaker 1: side to that, Sean Lee was on the injury report
Speaker 1: as a did not participate. Are you concerned that he's
Speaker 1: not going to play at this point? If if he's
Speaker 1: not practicing as of yesterday when last week, I thought
Speaker 1: it was kind of a game time decision type situation
Speaker 1: which would make you think he's certainly would be ready
Speaker 1: to at least practice in a limited capacity as of
Speaker 1: wedndsay of this week. Yeah, I mean hamstring. It seems
Speaker 1: to be, especially with this team, it seems to be
Speaker 1: the one injury where if it's not one hundred percent
Speaker 1: when you come when he comes back, you can see
Speaker 1: some reaggravation there. And I think with the bye week
Speaker 1: coming up, I could see where the Cowboys would say,
Speaker 1: all right, this is one we need to hold because
Speaker 1: we cannot have a lingering issue with Sean Lee. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think today's important. A lot of guys
Speaker 1: miss practice on Wednesday anyways, just just you know, Stephen
Speaker 1: Pie has been doing it. We'll probably do it all
Speaker 1: all year long and then we'll play. But I think
Speaker 1: if he misses another one today, I think it'd be
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a red flag that he's
Speaker 1: not going to be out there. I would, and I
Speaker 1: think we shouldn't just kind of gloss over the best
Speaker 1: player on the team being on the injury report. All right,
Speaker 1: so let's talk about that. Now he knows how to
Speaker 1: host the show. Let's talk about that. It wasn't length
Speaker 1: the injury report yesterday. Yeah it was, And that's why
Speaker 1: you have to kind of go through it because there's
Speaker 1: some things in it that you have to kind of
Speaker 1: look a little closer. But Tyron Smith, um, not where
Speaker 1: I was going. That's not where you were going. No,
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott. I mean, now he practiced, But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: this is this kind of a new thing that I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't know it's just a chess injury that we
Speaker 1: it would say chess, Yeah, I mean, is that. But
Speaker 1: but my assumption with the guys that were full, especially
Speaker 1: the guys that showed up that were full, were guys
Speaker 1: that had nicks from the game. Yeah, and but if
Speaker 1: they practice fully, then my thought was that's a no,
Speaker 1: that's a no worry for now. Let's see what happens
Speaker 1: on the injury report tomorrow. If they are listed on
Speaker 1: there as anything other than full as of today, then
Speaker 1: we'll have something to talk about, right And maybe I
Speaker 1: have a different maybe you think something different at obviously
Speaker 1: you're you're reporting, so no, no, no, no, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that I think that that the fact that he's
Speaker 1: on there and we hadn't really heard it much about that,
Speaker 1: I think that's something just to watch and monitor. We'll
Speaker 1: see because we've seen this already this year. Guys, Wednesday
Speaker 1: looks good. Thursday? Is that, you know, that's when Byron
Speaker 1: Jones popped up on the injury report. That's when Chad Green,
Speaker 1: I believe, for the first time, popped up on injury
Speaker 1: report Friday. New to me? Who was it on Thursday?
Speaker 1: Somebody on Thursday? But is it just me or like
Speaker 1: this is the first time I'm noticing, at least this season,
Speaker 1: when guys are popping up on the injury report as full.
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's almost like, okay, league, we're gonna
Speaker 1: report this stuff. It's this is the kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that typically every player you can list every player because
Speaker 1: every player, Yeah, I would think every players got something right.
Speaker 1: But but it just seems strange to me. They had
Speaker 1: so many guys listed that were new to the injury report,
Speaker 1: but they all practice fully. I don't know, it just
Speaker 1: seemed weird to me. Maybe I opened up the can
Speaker 1: of worms there about who the best player on the
Speaker 1: team is. But I think it's Zeek and I think
Speaker 1: we want to do a whole segment on that. We could.
Speaker 1: I think we did at training camp. I'm sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's just them covering their basis. Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: is on there, and yeah, at you know, a month
Speaker 1: end of the season, I think everybody's probably fighting something.
Speaker 1: I talked to Zeke in the locker room yesterday and
Speaker 1: he seemed fine. I know, I mean, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he is. That's not always a great indicator, but I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about him until further notice. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Tyren Smith though, because I do think
Speaker 1: that's worth at least a conversation. We've seen this happen before,
Speaker 1: where we saw him pop up on the injury report
Speaker 1: limited and we were like, ah, it's just vet day
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and then the week goes on and limited, limited, questionable,
Speaker 1: and then doesn't play. Is this something that fans should
Speaker 1: be concerned about and keep an eye on? It is
Speaker 1: the same back injury that he's that he struggled with
Speaker 1: now for a while. Is this something that you should
Speaker 1: be concerned about. I think it's obviously his back and
Speaker 1: backs are bad and typically chronic. But I don't think
Speaker 1: this is necessarily related to the thing that knocked him out. Remember,
Speaker 1: back to training camp, Garrett said he's got some tightness
Speaker 1: in his back. This isn't related to the problem that
Speaker 1: kept him out for two weeks last year. I think
Speaker 1: this is that same thing I think from camp, right,
Speaker 1: got it? I think he'll probably have problems with his
Speaker 1: back for the rest of his career. Um, hopefully it's
Speaker 1: not bad enough to keep him out of a lot
Speaker 1: of football games. It should certainly be concerning. I do
Speaker 1: think Tyrant Smith is the best player on this team.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you there, Derek Um. So I mean
Speaker 1: it should definitely be concerning, But I'm again I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to, you know, assume he's going to miss this
Speaker 1: game just yet. I think that's probably more precaution than
Speaker 1: anything else. All Right, Nicky Wort, I mean like concerned maybe,
Speaker 1: but not like worried. I think you'll be out there
Speaker 1: miss a game and then you start to be right
Speaker 1: worried about it. But you know, it's just it's concerning you.
Speaker 1: You want one of your best players to be healthy
Speaker 1: and ready to go. But I mean because that that
Speaker 1: offensive line has already had some missues and all all year,
Speaker 1: and guys that you're expecting more from with Frederick and Martin,
Speaker 1: they've been good, but you've expected a little bit more
Speaker 1: from them. Tyron, I think, hasn't he got beat? I
Speaker 1: guess what Chandler Jones two weeks ago? Yeah? But can
Speaker 1: we can we play a not fun game for a second?
Speaker 1: Who would what would you do if Tyron couldn't play?
Speaker 1: How how would you handle that? You move Chazz to
Speaker 1: left tackle? Would you? I will say this, of all
Speaker 1: the game, of all the games they great drop, of
Speaker 1: all the games they've played this year, this would be
Speaker 1: the week where I'd be like, if I gotta go
Speaker 1: without Tyron, I'd rather do it this week than all
Speaker 1: those other weeks. I love for Clay Matthews huh. I'm again,
Speaker 1: I'm a lot less concerned about those guys that have
Speaker 1: faced this week than I than I am from those
Speaker 1: other And that doesn't speak That doesn't speak less of
Speaker 1: Clay Matthews and the green Bay defense as much as
Speaker 1: he speaks about the high quality of Aaron Donald. And
Speaker 1: I like that. I hear you. I guess, I guess
Speaker 1: you would go Chaz Green? Would you could play Byron
Speaker 1: Bell out there? Could move lyle to the left side,
Speaker 1: Chaz Green. I think Chaz Green too, Chaz Green and
Speaker 1: play Cooper at guard and leave everybody else the same.
Speaker 1: Then what if Chass is out, He's not gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1: Yaz is fine yesterday, he's good. If Chazz and Tiring
Speaker 1: are both out, then I would probably play forfeit. No,
Speaker 1: just go ahead and give up. I would probably play.
Speaker 1: I'd play Byron Bell at left tackle and Cooper at
Speaker 1: left guard, and I'd run everything to the right side.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a strategy. Let's roll with it. Gotta do
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. Yeah, all right, let's take our
Speaker 1: first break. When we come back. Dave's gonna give us
Speaker 1: a scouting report on this green Bay defense and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about how that matches up against the Cowboys offense.
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Speaker 1: If you give me a scouting report on the Green
Speaker 1: Bay defense. Remember last week when I said I'm tired
Speaker 1: of calling it a three four, I still feel that
Speaker 1: way because this and this is even worse than the
Speaker 1: Rams because like the Packers just basically run a blob defense.
Speaker 1: Like I've never been more frustrated than trying to figure
Speaker 1: out who's lined up where and what they're doing in
Speaker 1: this defense because it's a base four three. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's a base three to four, but really, the only
Speaker 1: constants that I can come up with are that there's
Speaker 1: typically two down linemen. Kenny Clark is your nose tackle
Speaker 1: from UCLA. He's a drag. He's a second round no
Speaker 1: excuse me, he's a first round pick from a year ago.
Speaker 1: So he's a second year player. And then you've got
Speaker 1: another defensive tackle who's typically Mike Daniels, who's a very
Speaker 1: good veteran player. It's been Dean Lowry a lot because
Speaker 1: Mike Daniels has been hurt. Keep an eye on him.
Speaker 1: I kind of get the feeling Mike Daniels is going
Speaker 1: to play in this game, which could be big. And
Speaker 1: then everything else is a hodgepodge. So you've got Clay Matthews,
Speaker 1: he is always standing up. You've got Clay Fact not
Speaker 1: Kyler facrel out of I believe Utah State, either Utah
Speaker 1: State or by Um. He's your other rush linebacker. And
Speaker 1: then typically you've got anywhere from four to six defensive
Speaker 1: backs on the field. This is a team that has
Speaker 1: spent a lot of capital on their secondary, whether it's
Speaker 1: Kevin King, who's your first round pick at you guys
Speaker 1: liked it. I wanted him to be the Cowboys pick
Speaker 1: at twenty eight last year. Yeah, he was there. He
Speaker 1: was probably the next highest graded player on their board
Speaker 1: besides Taco. They didn't take him. He's now starting for
Speaker 1: the Packers and he's he's all right. He had his
Speaker 1: ups and downs from what I watched, but they trust
Speaker 1: him enough to put him on guys like Julio Jones
Speaker 1: and AJ Green and he's a rookie so and he
Speaker 1: can hold his own with those guys. Like he gave
Speaker 1: up catches to him in the snaps that I watched,
Speaker 1: but he certainly doesn't look like a liability. The other
Speaker 1: corner does Demarrius Randall, who is also a first round
Speaker 1: pick from twenty fifteen, Arizona State guy who kind of
Speaker 1: They got two first round picks at corner. Look, let's
Speaker 1: just go through this thing here for a second. You
Speaker 1: got a first round pick at corner and Demarrius Randall.
Speaker 1: You got a first round pick at corner in Kevin King.
Speaker 1: You got a first round pick at free safety. Haha,
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix you probably probably remember him, Yeah, we talked
Speaker 1: about him. Another really impressive young player. They have his safety,
Speaker 1: Josh Jones from NCY State, who they took in the
Speaker 1: second round this past year. Quentin Rollins is a second
Speaker 1: round pick from a few years ago. Basketball player, Yes
Speaker 1: he was. He was a point guard at Miami and Ohio.
Speaker 1: Really random thing for you to know, but absolutely well,
Speaker 1: he came in here, he did, he did. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: did look like them. So yeah, that's a lot of
Speaker 1: first in second round invest a lot. And the thing
Speaker 1: is they're good. They don't look that good. Well, but
Speaker 1: here's the interesting part thing to point out. And I
Speaker 1: was actually gonna ask you this question, but I'll throw
Speaker 1: it out there now. You look at the rankings right now,
Speaker 1: the Green Bay packers a fifth in the league in
Speaker 1: past defense, and they're only giving up one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty eight point five passing yards per game, which is poultry.
Speaker 1: That's like almost nothing. How are they doing that with
Speaker 1: if they're not playing great? I round it up. I
Speaker 1: round it up to one eighty nine. Okay, good, it's
Speaker 1: worth my like. Honestly, I don't really know because from
Speaker 1: what I saw, I mean, Julio Jones and Mohammed Sanu
Speaker 1: made their plays in that game in Atlanta, and AJ
Speaker 1: Green had a pretty solid day too. Bengals kind of
Speaker 1: jumped out. It was kind of like this Rams game.
Speaker 1: The Bengals jumped out to like a twenty one to
Speaker 1: seven lead and then had to hang on and go
Speaker 1: to overtime, where they eventually lost. So after three quick
Speaker 1: touchdowns in the first half, they scored three points the
Speaker 1: rest of the way. It reminds me not in the
Speaker 1: way it looks at all, obviously, but it reminds me
Speaker 1: of Marinelli's whole clog and cover thyal just clog and
Speaker 1: cover fill the passing lanes up with defensive backs have
Speaker 1: enough bodies moving around, they shift around a lot. So actually,
Speaker 1: I have a big time crush on this formation that
Speaker 1: they're playing right here. I think I think they call
Speaker 1: it Nitro. It's kind of like their version of the Deacon,
Speaker 1: where there's like, it seems like there's nine defensive backs
Speaker 1: on the field. So Kenny Clark and then either Mike
Speaker 1: Daniels or Odom or your down guys. Then you've got
Speaker 1: your two rush linebackers. Then you've got safeties playing in
Speaker 1: the slot, so Morgan Burnett's down on a receiver. You've
Speaker 1: got Randall and King out wide, and then there's three
Speaker 1: safeties kind of patrolling the back end. Haha, Josh Jones
Speaker 1: and what's this other guy's name. I already forgot Marwin Evans,
Speaker 1: who's an undrafted free agent that they like a lot.
Speaker 1: But so basically you're talking six almost seven defensive back
Speaker 1: at seven if you're saying you've got four down and
Speaker 1: three back and then one true linebacker who is typically
Speaker 1: either Joe Thomas who's on the injury report this week
Speaker 1: or Blake Martinez who's a draft pick that they like.
Speaker 1: But it's just speed everywhere and like I said, they
Speaker 1: don't look as like impressive as the Arizona Cardinals did.
Speaker 1: But I think just by sheer bodies and athleticism, their
Speaker 1: goal is to just clog the passing lanes. They won't
Speaker 1: be doing that against the Cowboys. I in no way
Speaker 1: they would do that, honestly, Like I in the three
Speaker 1: games that I watched, they did run a little bit
Speaker 1: of base defense, but like not really well. But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is if if a team, you would think,
Speaker 1: if a team lines up with seven defensive backs against
Speaker 1: this Cowboys rushing attack, even if the Cowboys have their
Speaker 1: you know, they're eleven personnel on the field, they would
Speaker 1: run against that all day and just chew up yards,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you think? Yes? I do, But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the Bengals have good running backs like Giovanni Bernard. Okay,
Speaker 1: we can go the other one too, Atlanta Tevin Coleman,
Speaker 1: and that one is a better example. Yes, it's the
Speaker 1: same thing. Honestly. The look that they gave the Falcons
Speaker 1: was a lot like what the Rams gave the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: which is four guys near the line of scrimmage. Can
Speaker 1: you can you let me? Can you let me finish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: say anything a linebacker and a safety in the box
Speaker 1: and then let your dbs handle everything else. And they
Speaker 1: the Falcons ran the ball really well against that. But
Speaker 1: that's what they chose to play, right, And but I
Speaker 1: do I will say this, the the Falcons, their style
Speaker 1: of rushing attack is very different than the Cowboys, like.
Speaker 1: They do spread out and run the ball a lot more,
Speaker 1: I think than the Cowboys do. So I think that
Speaker 1: this is a I think of this team more of
Speaker 1: a and I don't even want to say because it's
Speaker 1: gonna sound a little weird, but a power running team.
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is they'll they'll line up
Speaker 1: and they'll just keep pounding and keep pounding and keep pounding.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I think of Atlanta like that. Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I think the reason that they run so well, at
Speaker 1: least part of the reason they run so well is
Speaker 1: because they have such great guys on the outside. So
Speaker 1: I think it opens up things a little bit more
Speaker 1: for their running. You have to stop their best player.
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes we oversimplify things, but you stop their
Speaker 1: best player in Atlanta, you have to stop Julio Jones,
Speaker 1: just have to. You have to make sure you get
Speaker 1: him controlled with the Cowboys, and I'm talking about the weapon,
Speaker 1: it's Zeke. You know, you can say that Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: is the best player whatever, but as far as the
Speaker 1: skill players, Zeke's the guy they got to get stopped.
Speaker 1: And so I think just how because they played Atlanta
Speaker 1: one way, I don't think they could play the Cowboys
Speaker 1: the same way because I think you want to stop
Speaker 1: Zeke and then you'll take your chances. Just like you
Speaker 1: have to take your chances with DeVonta Freeman. They got
Speaker 1: to take their chances with Dez, Bryan and Beasley and
Speaker 1: Witten in those guys, Which does that Dave? Based upon
Speaker 1: the Scoutter report. Then let's assume for a second they
Speaker 1: are going to have to really focus a lot more
Speaker 1: on keeping more their bigger guys on the field. Is
Speaker 1: that get away from what they have done so far
Speaker 1: in these four weeks to where maybe you're taking their
Speaker 1: better players off the field when you talk about their
Speaker 1: secondary I I maybe I'll be wrong. I straight up
Speaker 1: don't expect him to do that. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: stick with that formula. I think their safeties are gonna
Speaker 1: be the key to whether or not they win or
Speaker 1: lose this game, and how well they can rally and tackle.
Speaker 1: Like Morgan Burnett is basically a linebacker the way that
Speaker 1: they play like, he's always down in the box. Sometimes
Speaker 1: he covers and sometimes he plays linebacker, but he's always
Speaker 1: down there. Josh Jones moves down and will literally sometimes
Speaker 1: stand next to the other inside linebacker like Mark Barron
Speaker 1: did last week. And then you've got Haha Clinton Dix,
Speaker 1: who was just a fantastic all around safety, and this
Speaker 1: marw and Evans guy who again like it never it
Speaker 1: seems like these guys are never in the same place
Speaker 1: on back to back snaps, like they're always moving, always rotating,
Speaker 1: and like they don't have those big guys like you've
Speaker 1: got your rush linebackers like Clay Matthews and and they
Speaker 1: brought in Ahmad Brooks from San Francisco you remember at
Speaker 1: the end of the preseason. But those guys are not
Speaker 1: like the athletic type of linebacker who you know that
Speaker 1: you know, like a Sean Lee type. They don't have
Speaker 1: those type of players. It's they have rush linebackers, down
Speaker 1: linemen and then eighteen thousand defensive backs, and I think
Speaker 1: they lean on those guys being athletic and making tackles
Speaker 1: to make this thing work. Do you think they can
Speaker 1: against a rushing attack like the Cowboys. I feel good
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys being able to run the ball in
Speaker 1: this game, and if they can't, I think it says
Speaker 1: more about them than the Packers, because the Packers they're
Speaker 1: not terrible. But you remember going into this game last year,
Speaker 1: everybody was like, they're historically good against the run, their
Speaker 1: number one in the league. They're well, they got smashed.
Speaker 1: They're nineteenth this year. They're giving up an average of
Speaker 1: one hundred and eleven yards per game and four point
Speaker 1: three yards per carry. Who's the backup a cornerback for
Speaker 1: the Packers Randall? Marius Randall and beause he's been starting
Speaker 1: for them. Actually, he got kicked off the field. He
Speaker 1: got benched against the Bears and left the stadium because
Speaker 1: he was mad about it. So he was wait, he
Speaker 1: got he was got bitched during the game and then
Speaker 1: left the stadium. Yeah, but he just he went home.
Speaker 1: He just he got benched and he got he went
Speaker 1: in the locker room. He got sent back to the
Speaker 1: locker room too. Okay, I got an argument with the coche. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they said they said, go in, you're they done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: McCarthy had an interesting um exchange with the media, not
Speaker 1: the most interesting of the of the week, but he
Speaker 1: had one, and he was basically was like, I don't
Speaker 1: have to tell you guys anything what goes on with
Speaker 1: our you know, with our team and with what you
Speaker 1: know the Personneils that moves that we make. And yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently he wasn't there. He wasn't there when they when
Speaker 1: the media got there later, he was gone. So that
Speaker 1: that happens though, I mean we're supposed to do wait
Speaker 1: for the media when guys get kicked out. Well, it
Speaker 1: depends if he if he left, if he left right
Speaker 1: after the game was over, then yeah, no, nope, no harm.
Speaker 1: But if he left, like in the second quarter, I
Speaker 1: don't know at what point he got kicked out. They
Speaker 1: told me go to locker room. But if he left
Speaker 1: at that point, then that's kind of a problem. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. So he's been your starter for most of
Speaker 1: the season. I'm not one hundred percent sure if he
Speaker 1: will be this time around. Um, you could look at
Speaker 1: von Devon House might be back from a hamstring injury.
Speaker 1: Like the Packers are banged up I'm sure y'all saw
Speaker 1: their injury report. That's another guy always seem to be
Speaker 1: banged up. It never seems to matter another long at
Speaker 1: their quarterbacks playing, right. That's what I tried to say yesterday,
Speaker 1: and you killed me for being a pest. I did
Speaker 1: not kill you for being a pessimist. Um, you just
Speaker 1: said that the guy was god like. He is the
Speaker 1: god of quarterbacks, straight up, all right. I think Brady's
Speaker 1: got the best resume of any quarterback in the league,
Speaker 1: but he's the best quarterback. If I was picking playground style,
Speaker 1: I'd take Aaron Rodgers from with you. Sorry. Um. Nick
Speaker 1: Perry's another He's another one of these guys that can
Speaker 1: play linebacker. He might be playing in this game too,
Speaker 1: he's been dealing with some injuries. Um. But the point,
Speaker 1: the main point being is I think I think you
Speaker 1: can run on these guys because I don't think they
Speaker 1: have the capability to play like heavy Year. Because it's
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I think the Cowboys would be smart to
Speaker 1: try to spread it out, even though you know they
Speaker 1: love to do They're twelve and thirteen personnel, but I'd
Speaker 1: be trying to run out of eleven and ten personnel.
Speaker 1: If I were them, Yeah, because I think, like I said,
Speaker 1: I think you can. They're nineteenth against the run. You know,
Speaker 1: for point of emphasis, the Giants were allowing one forty three,
Speaker 1: are allowing one forty three game. The Rams are one
Speaker 1: fifty one. Those are the two bad ones, and then
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are eighty eight eight, which puts them at ten.
Speaker 1: And the Cowboys ran for one hundred yards on them,
Speaker 1: So I think you can run the ball. I will
Speaker 1: differ a little bit with you on on a strategy point.
Speaker 1: I actually think the Cowboys ought to run more of
Speaker 1: the twelve and thirteen personnel this week because I want
Speaker 1: to force them to make a decision. Are you gonna
Speaker 1: stick with having all those defensive backs on the field,
Speaker 1: And if you are, I want to have my bigger
Speaker 1: guys on the field, and they're gonna have to deal
Speaker 1: with bigger guys then spreading them out and actually playing
Speaker 1: into their hands and running it that way. Not to
Speaker 1: say I wouldn't run from eleven, I certainly would, and
Speaker 1: that every week I would run from eleven. I think
Speaker 1: it's a it's a good matchup for the Cowboys. But
Speaker 1: that being said, I think this is the week we
Speaker 1: actually I bulke up a little bit more, enforced them
Speaker 1: to put their bigger guys on the field or keep
Speaker 1: the smaller guys out there, and that creates mismatches in
Speaker 1: the in the blocking. I think, if if there's one
Speaker 1: thing I will say, it's that they have the personnel
Speaker 1: and the creativity of scheme to do some wacky stuff.
Speaker 1: Because there was a third down against Atlanta where um,
Speaker 1: what's his name, dean Dean Lowry, who's Mike Daniels for
Speaker 1: all intents and purposes, since he wasn't playing, Uh, Mike Lowry, No, no, sorry, Mike,
Speaker 1: he was. He was the only down linemen in their formation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the only guy in a in a stance when
Speaker 1: the play started, and they had Clay Matthews, uh fact,
Speaker 1: Roll Martinez all kind of Russian, and then two outside corners,
Speaker 1: two deep safeties, two slot safeties, and a nickelback like
Speaker 1: it was. And then and they got a sack out
Speaker 1: of it because like, I don't think the Falcons even
Speaker 1: knew what all to do because they were about there
Speaker 1: were three linebackers, a down lineman and and a defensive
Speaker 1: back all coming and they were all sounds crazy. It's
Speaker 1: trying to visualize it. It's very bizarre to watch like
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's interesting. So I'm sure they're gonna
Speaker 1: do some funky stuff here. But like I said, I
Speaker 1: you know, at the risk of oversimplifying it, if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can't run the ball well in this game, I
Speaker 1: think that's more on then than on something the Packers
Speaker 1: are doing. And when you think about trying to confuse
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, it's been in the league, what ten years, um,
Speaker 1: and then you know they're gonna do the same thing
Speaker 1: to Dack. They're gonna try to do things that are
Speaker 1: that are going to confuse him. You would do that
Speaker 1: to any quarterback, especially a young quarterback. Which works if
Speaker 1: they could force the Cowboys in situations where they have
Speaker 1: to pass, as they've been in some games this year
Speaker 1: where you get the second half and they feel like
Speaker 1: they gotta throw, If they feel like they can continue
Speaker 1: to run the ball throughout this game, I think advantage Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But that's where you know, you know, the quarterback of
Speaker 1: the other team matters. Let's not forget last year the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had needed I wouldn't call them plays, but they
Speaker 1: were special plays with Lucky Whitehead that kind of broke
Speaker 1: the game open a little bit. They needed a jet
Speaker 1: sweep and then also a play that we hadn't seen
Speaker 1: before with him lining out of the backfield and yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, making a probably his only really catched down
Speaker 1: the field all all year, I mean his whole career,
Speaker 1: one of them, and that was a huge play in
Speaker 1: the game, that kind of chone third down. So, um,
Speaker 1: all I remember, I mean not all I remember, but
Speaker 1: my most vivid memory of that game is that zek
Speaker 1: ran for one fifty seven and his ability to run
Speaker 1: it will set the tone for the second half. And
Speaker 1: then yeah, a couple of touchdowns. Yeah, and he embarrassed
Speaker 1: that guy. Oh yeah, that was that what Saucy came from.
Speaker 1: That's where it really kind of took off because that guy,
Speaker 1: he made that guy stumble over his own feet. And
Speaker 1: Irving had a good game. David Irving did have a
Speaker 1: very good game. But I don't know, man, I know
Speaker 1: there's a stack going around that. Like the Packers are
Speaker 1: extremely good at not allowing one hundred yard rushers, but
Speaker 1: they gave up one hundred and forty three yards to
Speaker 1: the Falcons all all things combined, and they were the
Speaker 1: number one rush defense when The Cowboys faced them last
Speaker 1: year and Zeke ran all over them. So I don't
Speaker 1: know that you can necessarily, especially at this point again
Speaker 1: season you only have four games to work with. I
Speaker 1: don't know that that really tells you a whole lot
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, but I don't know. This isn't this
Speaker 1: isn't a beefy defense, but it's an athletic one. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there should be room to run.
Speaker 1: Like I said, maybe I'm oversimplifying it. Let's take our
Speaker 1: final break. When we come back, we are going to
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Speaker 1: gonna get some questions. Call us two eight seven two
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Speaker 1: Anthony and Florida. Anthony, what up? Hey, how y'all doing great?
Speaker 1: Are you? I'm okay? I like too long point out
Speaker 1: something with this defense and this theory of the offense
Speaker 1: keeping a defense off the field. So I'll let them
Speaker 1: use you guys, And it's a little scenario if I
Speaker 1: can Mixamber. You are responsible for Nick, Derek and Dave
Speaker 1: right now. You are everything that depends on if they
Speaker 1: can't without you, you must keep your job and everything
Speaker 1: to support them. You lose your job. How do you
Speaker 1: think they're gonna eat? That's the scenario with the defense.
Speaker 1: You want the offense to be responsible for them by
Speaker 1: keeping them off the field. It works in certain scenarios.
Speaker 1: It worked last years, give us a thirteen and thirty records.
Speaker 1: But you meet the great Aaron Rodgers, who if the
Speaker 1: offense is taking them, taking them up and down the field,
Speaker 1: the scoring keep it the beats off. Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 1: like quick strike. He matches some point for point. So
Speaker 1: the first person that makes a mistake and say nine
Speaker 1: out of ten, it's us like we get an we lose.
Speaker 1: So you have to have accountability and discipline on your
Speaker 1: defense or go out and get you either safety or
Speaker 1: a corner that's as stood at least one or stood
Speaker 1: pass Russia. You just can't have the defense then stagment
Speaker 1: like that because it's a two headed sword. The other
Speaker 1: offense can keep them off the field. But when you
Speaker 1: get those great when you get a Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: Aaron loses, they expose them and they match them point
Speaker 1: for point. Then if we make the mistake first they
Speaker 1: win the game, so we must focus on that defense
Speaker 1: or the guys we have must have better accountability and
Speaker 1: better discipline when you're on the field. Thank you, guys,
Speaker 1: all right, thanks, lookall lost me on the first part
Speaker 1: and the analogy didn't really resonate with me. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you get this point at the point. The point is
Speaker 1: that the defense, or at least I'm trying to paraphrase,
Speaker 1: I think what he's saying is that the defense needed
Speaker 1: or that that we were saying that the defense needs
Speaker 1: the offense to keep them off the field in order
Speaker 1: to be successful, which can be a strategy. The problem
Speaker 1: is when you match up against a team like Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: who can match point match you point for point, the
Speaker 1: defense is gonna have to pull its weight, and in
Speaker 1: those instances, he doesn't believe the defense is able to
Speaker 1: pull it. First thing Dave said Monday, it's the first
Speaker 1: thing you've said on the show this week. You said,
Speaker 1: this defense is not are good enough to carry the team.
Speaker 1: The offense has to carry the team, and the defense
Speaker 1: can do its job. But if the offense isn't leading
Speaker 1: the way, then yeah, there's gonna be a problem. And
Speaker 1: it was a problem against Jared Goffin, it's going to
Speaker 1: be a problem against Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, pretty much. And
Speaker 1: he's saying that, but he's saying he's saying that that
Speaker 1: philosophy is a problem. He's saying overall the Cowboys need
Speaker 1: to address that philosophy and they need to build their defense. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, that's those without saying, right, And my
Speaker 1: question back then would be, so how do you do that?
Speaker 1: I don't think they should. I don't think they should
Speaker 1: try to fix their defense. I mean, but no, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like the question that we should have asked
Speaker 1: back is like, so how do they do that? Are
Speaker 1: you saying, because we had this conversation I think it
Speaker 1: was earlier this week or last week, are you saying
Speaker 1: that maybe they shouldn't have spent the picks that they
Speaker 1: spent on this offensive line and maybe put those on defense.
Speaker 1: And Dave, your retort retort was they split pinions. They've
Speaker 1: spent plenty of resources in the draft on the defense.
Speaker 1: They just haven't all worked out and they still are
Speaker 1: for that that I get. That's something I was trying
Speaker 1: to say earlier in the week. Maybe I didn't elaborate
Speaker 1: on it. Well, enough. It's like you can see the
Speaker 1: efforts to fix the defense, but much like the offense,
Speaker 1: it is a multi year process. I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: fix it all in one off season, and when you're
Speaker 1: faced with the choices that they were faced with last year,
Speaker 1: they did not significantly improve. I think we probably all
Speaker 1: felt that they didn't significantly improve as early as when
Speaker 1: the draft was over. I think you could look at
Speaker 1: this group and say, they will not be much better
Speaker 1: than they were last year. They might be just as good,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit better. They're not going to be
Speaker 1: significantly better. But they've invested their first, second, and third
Speaker 1: round picks from this past draft on defense Byron Jones
Speaker 1: was a defensive pick. We talked about all the picks
Speaker 1: they've spent on the defensive line in the past, some
Speaker 1: of which haven't worked out, and I think it's a
Speaker 1: fair bet that they invest in the defense heavily next
Speaker 1: spring as well. And you know, you need a guard probably,
Speaker 1: but pass rush and linebacker looked like big needs for
Speaker 1: me going into next offseason. So it's a good bet
Speaker 1: they'll do it again. And much like the offense, it's
Speaker 1: something that takes two to four years to turn that around,
Speaker 1: and it's a very positive step in the right direction
Speaker 1: that I mean, how much younger and more athletic and
Speaker 1: cheap does the secondary look right now as opposed to
Speaker 1: last year. Again, with another offseason of good drafting and
Speaker 1: maybe some sensible free agent signings, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're talking about a much better defense. It's just not
Speaker 1: something you can fix. And how many first round picks
Speaker 1: are on the defense right now? I'm counting two? Byron Taco.
Speaker 1: For all intents and purposes, I think of Lawrence as
Speaker 1: a first round pick considering what you traded up to
Speaker 1: get him and where you drafted him. I mean he
Speaker 1: was pick thirty Four's it's close enough, okay, three two
Speaker 1: and yeah? Three? Who a half? Ever? Uh? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's I agree. I mean, I agree you can't
Speaker 1: get it all in one year. And but but they've
Speaker 1: they've kind of been fortunate to to pick, you know,
Speaker 1: to have these guys in them third round, second round,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Sean Lee was the second round pick,
Speaker 1: to have MALIEK. Collins in third round. You think about
Speaker 1: Scandrick starting, you know, nine years ago, a ffth round,
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, Anthony Brown, Anthony Brown yeah. And
Speaker 1: you know another thing we were talking about the Kevin
Speaker 1: King situation and draft in Taco. Instead, they probably went
Speaker 1: into that because they go into the draft thinking, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the draft is, you know, seven rounds and
Speaker 1: three days. But they go into it thinking Ryan Switzer
Speaker 1: is a guy they want. They they're gonna get Ryan Switzer.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get dnal Pumfrey or or Ryan Switzer. And
Speaker 1: they ended up getting Switzer. But they also probably had
Speaker 1: an idea they're gonna get Jordan Lewis, thinking this guy
Speaker 1: and there's not a lot of people some teams are
Speaker 1: not going to have him on their board at all.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take him. We know what the situation is,
Speaker 1: we have a good idea of what happened, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna take him. So they might have looked into that
Speaker 1: a little bit more and said, you know, you remember
Speaker 1: when they said we're going to draft because the defensive
Speaker 1: ends are going away. We think there's depth at corner.
Speaker 1: I bet Jordan Lewis was a guy there, like, we
Speaker 1: can take him. We can get him in the third round.
Speaker 1: No one's gonna take him that high, and he'll be
Speaker 1: good for us. They beat us over the head with
Speaker 1: the idea that they can find good defensive backs later,
Speaker 1: because it was so absurdly deep and honestly. However you
Speaker 1: might feel about Taco Charlton, I can't argue that they
Speaker 1: were wrong because the guy the pass rushers that were
Speaker 1: available late. You might remember Terrell bash Him from Ohio.
Speaker 1: Derek Rivers is a guy that they liked from Youngstown
Speaker 1: State who I believe is on injured reserve with the
Speaker 1: Patriots right now. Whatever. They spare me the t J.
Speaker 1: Watt thing, because that's that's neither here nor there. They
Speaker 1: didn't think he fit their system. You can disagree all
Speaker 1: you want, but that's just how they felt. But they
Speaker 1: got their pass rusher early. I think you have to
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about what they found in Cheeto and
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis at this point. And the drop, their argument
Speaker 1: was the drop from Taco to the next the guys
Speaker 1: that would be available at that next pick was more
Speaker 1: significant than the drop from Kevin King down to say
Speaker 1: Cheeto or Jordan Lewis. It's gonna be one of the
Speaker 1: fun draft what ifs to say. You know, we'll see
Speaker 1: how Kevin King's career pans out compared to Taco. You
Speaker 1: see how Derek Rivers and Terrell Basham do with their
Speaker 1: respective teams. It's always fun. But you're probably going to
Speaker 1: be an active this week, wouldn't you say, Taco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for him than to make him
Speaker 1: active now that you've got the perennial inactive guy, Tapper.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you finagle it, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: they'll try, just because he's their first round pick. But
Speaker 1: is there a chance David Irving doesn't they don't activate
Speaker 1: him this week? I expect him to be active. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's early in the week though, but because you would
Speaker 1: think that it would have to be a defensive end
Speaker 1: now that would be inactive, but maybe not. Maybe they
Speaker 1: decide that if they get those other cornerbacks back that
Speaker 1: you know, maybe well, I guess it doesn't matter to
Speaker 1: wash if you Well been a down. If you feel
Speaker 1: wash well Anthony Hitchins off the inactive list, that might
Speaker 1: help you. Yeah, I mean with Hitchins coming back, and
Speaker 1: then you know, they've had four cornerbacks healthy and they've
Speaker 1: set to the last few weeks. But this week they
Speaker 1: could still sit too. But one of them might be healthy, right,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't know which guy
Speaker 1: that would be. I would I wouldn't be shocked if
Speaker 1: Taco is inactive. I know that's a bad look for them,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I wouldn't either. You gotta do what you
Speaker 1: gotta do. All right, Let's let's get a question from Twitter. Well,
Speaker 1: we've talked about the running game and putting that aside,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the passing game. We've seen what defenses
Speaker 1: have done with Jason went in Cole Beasley. They've been
Speaker 1: playing double coverage on that. So if the Cowboys, if
Speaker 1: this defense, the Green Bay Packers defense, decide to go
Speaker 1: that route and do that again and do that with
Speaker 1: them as well, that leaves open does Brian and let's
Speaker 1: say Terrence Williams. And we've seen the connection hasn't been
Speaker 1: that great between those receivers and Dak Prescott. Are you
Speaker 1: guys very concerned about the guys going up against them?
Speaker 1: The cornerbacks against wide receivers. That was a Twitter question.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I made it longer, but basically, cornerbacks
Speaker 1: against UM, I'll shut up, you don't have to, I'll
Speaker 1: just take quiet. I'm just kidding. I don't want to
Speaker 1: read the Twitter questions because what she's doing is that
Speaker 1: there's probably about nine in a row that she just
Speaker 1: kind of paraphrased about six there, No, there was one,
Speaker 1: and I just added whatever else I wanted to add it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a good question, then answer it
Speaker 1: all right. I am not as concerned as everyone else
Speaker 1: is about Dez Bryan and Dak Prescott. That's just my
Speaker 1: own personal thing. I think. I think, yes, there's been
Speaker 1: They've thrown the ball a lot to him, and I
Speaker 1: think there are some situations where Dak's going to have
Speaker 1: to figure out in these situations where before he's used
Speaker 1: to being able to dump the ball to Jason Witten
Speaker 1: or dump the ball to Cole Beasley, and teams are
Speaker 1: starting to say, we're going to force you to do
Speaker 1: something different. This is what's called the maturation of a quarterback.
Speaker 1: You have to learn as teams start taking away the
Speaker 1: things you like to do, you have to learn how
Speaker 1: to adjust and do things that maybe you don't do
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't say don't like to do, but just
Speaker 1: haven't been forced to do because you've always been able
Speaker 1: to take the easy throw because it's there, right, And
Speaker 1: so I think this is gonna this is a part
Speaker 1: of the learning process, as a part of him getting
Speaker 1: better as a quarterback. I think that's going to improve.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good quarterback. I think Des is
Speaker 1: a good receiver. You put the two together, I think
Speaker 1: they can make a good combination. So I just think
Speaker 1: this is something that's just gonna have to take a
Speaker 1: little bit of time. Last week we saw a few
Speaker 1: drops from Terrence Williams. We know from his career, Like,
Speaker 1: that's just gonna be the way it is there. Because
Speaker 1: he catches a ball with his body, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: sometimes he catches it and we're gonna be like, man,
Speaker 1: that was a great catch. Other times when he bounces
Speaker 1: off his pads. That's the thing about catching with your body.
Speaker 1: It's inconsistent. So all I'm saying is I don't think
Speaker 1: it's as big a problem as everybody thinks. I think
Speaker 1: it'll it'll work itself out, and I think that they
Speaker 1: should keep going. If that's what's open, keep going Des Bryant.
Speaker 1: It'll get better over time. I think it's alarming a
Speaker 1: little bit though, that that teams are now saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know he's not in the group of Julio Jones
Speaker 1: and Odell Beckham. But can you imagine though, the fact
Speaker 1: that teams are basically saying, we're gonna let you have that,
Speaker 1: We're gonna let you have Deaz. We're gonna take away
Speaker 1: Winton and Beasley and and make and trying to running
Speaker 1: game and make you throw the ball to DEAs I
Speaker 1: mean as as an elite ride receiver and a top
Speaker 1: tier guy that that's usually what teams are trying to do,
Speaker 1: and they're kind of letting you do that because they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't even really think that you're throwing it to
Speaker 1: Dez sixteen times a game is going to be beneficial
Speaker 1: for you, and it really hasn't been. So I think
Speaker 1: from that standpoint, you can say, well, this isn't really
Speaker 1: working out like we thought as far as Dez being
Speaker 1: the elite guy. Teams are letting you have Daz and
Speaker 1: taking away the other stuff. Do you think that's also
Speaker 1: because the way the Cowboys offense runs, they're about moving
Speaker 1: the chains and so that the fifty fifty ball becomes
Speaker 1: a liability to some degree except for used in a
Speaker 1: few times a game. Now, if you're doing that more
Speaker 1: does that create But that's the problem though, if Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant and I love Daz, I do, But if Dez
Speaker 1: Briant is one of the best players in the in
Speaker 1: the league, best receivers, they shouldn't be fifty fifty balls,
Speaker 1: you know, he shouldn't be Well, I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: the jump balls. He needs to get opened and plays
Speaker 1: and slants where it's system money. Only run what he
Speaker 1: can only run what they tell him to run. Right,
Speaker 1: He's running the route that they that they ask him
Speaker 1: to run. Right, Well, maybe they need to give him
Speaker 1: more routes where they can get him open across the field.
Speaker 1: I haven't I don't see him doing a lot of
Speaker 1: crossing routes. But the question is like, should they be
Speaker 1: doing more that in order to get him open and
Speaker 1: let him be able to catch the ball on the
Speaker 1: run and keep going. High school teams run slants on
Speaker 1: fourth and five that the high school quarterback will throw
Speaker 1: it to the high school receiver and they make the play.
Speaker 1: And they see it in college all the time, And
Speaker 1: I don't understand why Daz and the quarterback, even when
Speaker 1: it was Tony, they didn't have it. They didn't have
Speaker 1: that slant down very well. I didn't understand that I
Speaker 1: actually this is a great opportunity to tease my column today,
Speaker 1: all right, because I decided to chart every incompletion Dack
Speaker 1: has thrown this year to see what's going on. I
Speaker 1: like it. I found it's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: mixed back, honestly. I okay, So he's thrown fifty six
Speaker 1: in completions. It breaks down to where about thirty five
Speaker 1: of those. I don't put the blame on him between drops, throwaways,
Speaker 1: he's hit on the throw or that many Wow. Thirty
Speaker 1: five between all those categories. Wow. But that still leaves
Speaker 1: twenty one passes that I chalked up to being poor, thrown,
Speaker 1: just not good. The second and nine slant that he
Speaker 1: missed in that Rams game may be the worst of all.
Speaker 1: The end zone slant against the Giants that cost him
Speaker 1: a touchdown, and the high throw in the end zone
Speaker 1: on that same possession on the crossing route he's thrown.
Speaker 1: He's thrown some bad balls. So it averages out to
Speaker 1: where in my estimation, and I've never played quarterback, so
Speaker 1: maybe I'm maybe I'm not giving him enough credit for
Speaker 1: how hard some of these throws are. But in my estimation,
Speaker 1: he misses an average of four or five throws that
Speaker 1: he should make a game. Is that high, I honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like you'd have to chart everybody.
Speaker 1: It's probably high compared to Aaron Rodgers. It's probably not
Speaker 1: bad compared to a lot of other quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 1: But his completion percentage right now is seven percent lower
Speaker 1: than it was last year, which is significant a lot.
Speaker 1: And I think you're absolutely right that's I mean, defenses
Speaker 1: are forcing him to make hard throws and he's doing
Speaker 1: he's doing it. Sometimes I would I'd like to point
Speaker 1: out it's not like this is across all games. For instance,
Speaker 1: he didn't throw a single bad pass in my estimation
Speaker 1: against the Cardinals. He only threw five in completions. So
Speaker 1: you're talking a boatload of those bad balls are coming
Speaker 1: against that Denver secondary where he's either getting rushed or
Speaker 1: is playing against the great cornerbacks, and they're playing in
Speaker 1: a game where they're throwing in a much higher clip
Speaker 1: they would they should be. You see. But you just
Speaker 1: see some trends that I hope get corrected. Like they
Speaker 1: like they have Dez and Deck for how much they
Speaker 1: say they threw together and how much we saw him
Speaker 1: throw together at training camp, like they don't have the
Speaker 1: back shoulder ball down. Throughout that Denver game, he's throwing
Speaker 1: the back shoulder ball inside and that's how it wound
Speaker 1: up getting taken back to the house by a key
Speaker 1: tell leap. Just stuff like that where you're like, y'all
Speaker 1: should have this down, shouldn't you, Especially with all that's
Speaker 1: been said about Dez has been healthy all offseason and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So it's concerning. I don't think the
Speaker 1: sky is falling, but but that's that's something that has
Speaker 1: to be better if the passing game is going to
Speaker 1: take advantage of defenses focusing on other things, which think
Speaker 1: about how much better this passing game would be if
Speaker 1: they could get that one thing down, the back shoulder
Speaker 1: back should of faith they could get that one thing down.
Speaker 1: If Dez is seeing a lot of man coverage and
Speaker 1: he already doesn't separate, we talk about that a lot.
Speaker 1: He doesn't separate a lot. He doesn't get a lot
Speaker 1: of separation when he's running his routes. That one play
Speaker 1: clears up all those deficiencies. You don't need a lot
Speaker 1: of separation. It's a It's as easy a pass as
Speaker 1: you could think from the standpoint of how you have
Speaker 1: to get it to the receiver, and the receiver no
Speaker 1: matter where the defender is, he's got a good shot
Speaker 1: to be able to catch that ball and not get
Speaker 1: it intercepted. It just seems like that would be that
Speaker 1: would solve a lot of these Well, that's what I
Speaker 1: wrote at the end of that. This part of my
Speaker 1: column is, Okay, let's say he throw he throws five
Speaker 1: bad passes against the Giants, but you win. That's a
Speaker 1: footnote in the story of how you won. But in
Speaker 1: a game that you lose, that can be the difference.
Speaker 1: Misses him badly on a slant on a second and
Speaker 1: nine in the fourth quarter that probably takes the ball
Speaker 1: near midfield and set you up to go tie or
Speaker 1: take the lead, or third and ten on the final
Speaker 1: drive of the game, where he badly misses an out
Speaker 1: route that sets you up in plus position to try
Speaker 1: to throw a touchdown with forty seconds left in the game.
Speaker 1: Just little like I mean, the difference between winning and
Speaker 1: losing can be two or three inaccurate posts. One thing
Speaker 1: that I've learned about judging quarterbacks and throws that they
Speaker 1: made is that you're looking at maybe end zone cam
Speaker 1: and and and from press box view. A lot of
Speaker 1: times we don't see what they see. We see what
Speaker 1: we see. We see the guy streaking down the field,
Speaker 1: but but they didn't see that because they had the guys,
Speaker 1: they had a hand here or they had you know,
Speaker 1: absolutely and a lot of and also times like that
Speaker 1: past two Deaz that that he dropped the slant. I
Speaker 1: guess that was really low, but it's supposed to be
Speaker 1: fairly low. Maybe not a catchable ball, but he can't.
Speaker 1: But if you miss it low, then it just tips
Speaker 1: into ten complete. If you miss it high, then you
Speaker 1: just played volleyball and the balls up in the air
Speaker 1: and now who can go get it? So in charting
Speaker 1: that game, I don't consider that a bad throw. That's
Speaker 1: a ball that should be caught. And yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I've never played quarterback. I'm
Speaker 1: not it's harder. I'm not trying to say Dak is
Speaker 1: bad because you know, because of this, but these are
Speaker 1: trends that you can see on the tape, and I
Speaker 1: think it's something that probably needs to be corrected for
Speaker 1: this offense to reach the potential it's trying to reach.
Speaker 1: All Right, guys, appreciate you joining us for back Tomorrow
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