WEBVTT - Travis Decker’s Trail Grows Cold, Matthew Shepard’s Legacy Echoes, and Diddy’s Trial Nears Its End — Live From the Courtroom 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.760 This program features the individual opinions of the hosts, guests, 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:07.240 and callers, and not necessarily those of the producer, the station, 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:11.600 it's affiliates or sponsors. This is True Crime Tonight. 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.680 Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. Oh we're talking 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:26.040 true crime all the time. We're so happy that you're here. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:30.880 It's Tuesday, June twenty fourth Wild Night of Headlines everyone, 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.360 so again, settle in. We were just saying, this is 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.080 my favorite two hours of the night, so I'm so 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.200 happy that we're all here together. Listen this Diddy thing. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:44.120 Diddy is going to have closing arguments. The prosecution apparently 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.960 may rest as soon as Thursday, so so much on that. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.080 We have a very special guest who is back. Matthew 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.599 Lee Russell of Inner City Press is back and has 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:55.840 been in the courthouse and is going to be reporting 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:57.639 to us live, so we can't wait to have him 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.400 in the next segment. And then also Travis Decker, father 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.520 accused of killing his three daughters. He remains at large 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.280 and his now ex wife and mother of those three 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.720 beautiful children speaks out for the very first time. And 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.280 also we have some new developments in the Brian Coberger 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:17.559 Idaho college murders. Once again, the defense is stacking the deck, 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:21.800 and apparently one of his former jailhouse security people guards 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.840 if you will, is apparently going to speak in his favors. 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.200 So first and foremost, let's get to Diddy. But before that, 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.119 I'm Stephanie Leidecker, I head of Katie's Studios. We make 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.840 true crime podcasts and documentaries. I know we're probably sick 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:36.679 of hearing me say that by now, but I get 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.959 to do that every day with Body move in and 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.360 Courtney Armstrong and this incredible team. And we really want 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.000 to hear from you. So eight eight eight three one crime. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.120 Please join this conversation. Lots of headlines to get through, 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.440 but we really want to hear from you. So, Diddy, Courtney, 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:53.600 where do we want to begin? 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.400 It will start me go take it away, Body, I'm 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:58.600 doing it. It's gonna be me. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.680 It's gonna bead jumping. 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.440 Day twenty nine. Can you believe it's been twenty nine? 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.480 Day twenty nine in the trial against Diddy Comb's there 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.560 was another full day of testimony from summary witness Joseph Circiello. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.919 He is the special Agent for Homeland Security. 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.960 He's doing the summary witness testimony and just a quick recap. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.480 A summary witness means somebody that's presenting a lot of 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:26.600 like super complicated evidence in summary fashion and making it 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.359 like super digestible for the jury to understand. So it's 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.320 a lot of evidence all at once summarized and. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.000 A lot of texts just like lots of stuff kind 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:38.239 of summed down. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:39.400 I guess it's like. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:44.119 A succinct version of a lot of complicated information. Right. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.720 The defense did not call any additional witnesses. The prosecution 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:55.280 and the defense rested their case today. Done, it's done. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.079 Closing arguments are expected to begin Thursday, but we don't 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.720 know for sure, but it's expected to begin Thursday. So 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.360 prosecutors are alleging that from two thousand and four to 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.679 twenty twenty four, so for the past twenty years, did 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:12.799 he operated a criminal enterprise that involved kidnapping, arson, bribery, 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.600 and sex trafficking. He used his influence in the music 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.920 industry to lure people in and he's facing life in prison. 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.919 He has pled not guilty to all these charges. It's 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.720 I mean, today was a big day. They're done, they're closing, 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:25.360 They're done. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.520 I'm so curious what your thoughts are in terms of 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.000 just the optics, you know, is it a big finish? 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.320 The prosecution is resting, their court has gone tomorrow, they're 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.720 off tomorrow or at recess tomorrow. So this was it. 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:41.080 This was the big, the big crescendo, drop the mic. 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.760 I don't know about a summary witness being emotional enough, 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:49.560 you know, sometimes, you know, reminding everybody the emotional stakes 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.880 involved can really be moving to a jury. I wonder 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:54.960 if I feel like they just kind of went out 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.480 with a whimper, yeah, instead of a bang. You know, 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.360 it just was kind of like a whimper. 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:03.920 Well, I agree with you from the defenses, excuse me 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.920 from the prosecution, but I think the defense actually had 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.720 their way a little bit with this witness. So Boddy, 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.400 if you want to explain a little bit more of 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.680 what went on with Ciriella's testimony, sir, I think he 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:16.840 defense got their bang. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:21.960 Joseph Circiello showed text messages from Jane where she appeared 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.480 to be a willing participant, like in this this whole thing. 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.800 He showed Jane texting a male escort. His name was 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:34.320 car Burrolay, Am I saying that right? Carbroley Carburlat car Brolet, 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.560 he is a male escort. In December of twenty twenty one, 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.520 he sent this text message, Okay, now listen, don't don't 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.400 get grossed out by me saying this. It's not me 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:48.640 saying it. Okay, This is Jane to him Tody, no, no, no, 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.880 I'm sorry. Coberlet to Jane. Copy it's a pretty court 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:57.200 to Jane. The escort to Jane, understood a pretty intense night. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.440 That was the roughest sex we've ever had. Loved it, 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.719 and Jane responded, definitely one for the books. Damn baby, 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.479 you got me so hot. Listen, I feel really dumb 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.279 saying this. You want you want to come back tonight 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:14.000 or tomorrow morning. Several days after the six change, Jane 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.600 sent him the escort travel arrangements, so it made it 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.040 appear like Jane was not only a willing participant, but 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:26.120 like actually engaging and like arranging, you know, for all 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.120 this to happen. The jury also saw text messages in 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.440 which Jane, again she's a pseudonyme, appeared to express her 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.760 love and appreciation for Diddy. I'll never take you for granted, 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:40.600 one message, said. The defense showed. Text showed texts suggesting 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.680 Ditty and Jane tried to hide their sexual activity from 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:48.120 the staff, which is going to go to, you know, racketeering. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.280 The racketeering piece, like, not all the staff was involved. 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.360 You know, they didn't have knowledge of this. It was 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.600 Ditty's private life. You know, it's it's all this. So 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.520 in one two thousand twenty three message from Diddy it said, 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:06.919 you find place I can't have KK. No, yeah, you 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.840 wasn't arranging all this in this particular case. Again, I'm 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.359 not accusing KK, but in this particular case though, just 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.640 to say one little quick thing here before we move 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.480 on two pieces to this one that might have been 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.440 the case that day that you know, who knows what 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.800 else was happening at Comb's Enterprises where, you know, or 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:27.880 maybe they had had a combo, maybe she was giving 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.040 some pushback, who knows. But maybe just because that happened 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.320 one time, that doesn't discount the many, the many years 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.599 of this and you know, again, if she knows that 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:42.320 he really wants Apparently, according to Jane and Cassie's testimony, 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.920 they sometimes use the same escorts because they felt as 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.520 though a that was more intimate, meaning they meaning the 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.320 victims felt that at least they a little bit had 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.840 some familiarity, and sometimes that felt safer and a little 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.360 less scary. So for if you know that you have 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.960 to participate in these things, is it possible just putting 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.960 it out there that maybe Jane or any of the 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:11.080 victims were engaging with the same people and showing some 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.760 sort of excitement about that because it was more of 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.520 a controlled environment. Again just playing devil's advocate, because again, 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.120 this is complicated emotional stuff, and I fear when we 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.920 whitewash it too quickly with one broad stroke, some of 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.880 the nuance might get lost. And for victims that's really hard. 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.480 It is, and I don't discount any of that. However, 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.920 taking this is actual testimony, and you asked why not 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.240 the big bang? For the defense, what this does prove? 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.640 And even if it was just this one day, the 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.080 defense can say, oh, look, this was Jane, she was 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:49.080 doing the arrangements. Look her and Ditty. Jane and Ditty 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:54.040 are saying you know, KK can't know. Therefore there isn't collusion. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.640 These aren't people who are working for Ditty or orchestrating 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:01.760 these it's people doing it quote willingly, And to ask 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:02.760 your question out. 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:06.520 Yeah, has anybody ever been with somebody an ex or 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.600 something again, just go with me here for one quick 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:13.240 second where you just knew things were terrible somewhere in 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.200 the back of your head, but you know, somehow you 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:20.440 still like put that aside. You ignored it because your 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.600 feelings were involved, so you sort of said what you 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.520 maybe shouldn't have said out of contract. 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.280 Make excuses or make your excuses. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:29.720 And sometimes you make those excuses and put it in 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.560 a text because you want to, you know, gain back 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.960 some footing or make them feel comfortable, or you know, 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.160 think about it. Some of this stuff was so intimate 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.000 and you know, graphic that I think, according to Jane's testimony, 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.600 at least it felt almost like she was the only 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.360 one that was in this little intimate circle with Diddy 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.559 and his crew, and only she knew him in this way. 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.800 We also know that's not accurate, but you could see 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.600 how that could get real twisted if you're already going 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:00.800 into this, you know, wide eyed and with rose glasses. 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.360 I'm just playing it out a little bit, but I 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.520 do think one text exchange or even the. 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:09.760 Jury is going to think like that. That's the important thing, right. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.200 I Yes, and where I stand is looking at this 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.160 as evidence again taking emotion out of it. Of course, 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.840 what this exchange shows, or what the defense argued that 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.319 this exchange shows, is that Combs's staff was not involved 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.760 in this exchange that is being read on cross examination, 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.640 and they weren't engaged in organizing or funding the encounters, 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.439 which is what you need for the rico charge. We 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.320 are talking about really the ditty trial coming to the 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.679 very end. Give us a call. What are you thinking? 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.160 Eighty eight three to one crime and we have a 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:44.760 talk back? 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.240 Hi, True Crime tonight, love the show. Did you guys 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.640 see that Diddy personally told the judge today that he 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.200 was doing a great job. That really rubbed me the 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.680 wrong way because it just seemed so arrogant, like he's 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:02.160 super confident that the judge thought he'd get off, you know, 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.840 just because he's famous. He's sure he's going to get 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:06.400 away with it. What did you guys think of that? 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.320 I so agree. I could agree with him more. 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.040 It goes a line gross, It goes in line with 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.360 not calling anybody. It's like, look at are we are 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.560 very confident in our case? Like that that the that 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.560 the prosecution has not proved anything. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.240 I just think it falls in line with the hubris 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:24.600 of it all. And how about the. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:28.760 Fact that these women and victims and assistance and people 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.440 have really put themselves on the line. So whether you 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.000 like it or agree with it, it's not for us 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:35.640 to decide. It's hard for me not to get emotionally 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.760 attached to some of this stuff. But I feel for Jane. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.480 I feel for his ex Cassie. Even so for Cassie, 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.400 she had a baby, she was pregnant, you know, God willing, 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:43.760 she was. 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:44.760 Ten years of her. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.400 Life were dedicated to this dope. So here she is 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:52.319 like sharing these intimate, horrifying details. People are the jury 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:57.280 is seeing these tapes. How vulnerable and you know, demeaning 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.679 must that feel like in the moment, But you put 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.040 it all there because you want justice well. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.600 And her domestic abuses out there for the whole entire 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:09.560 world to caculate on commonly make fun of exactly, you know, 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.760 it's it's I feel bad for Cassie. 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.960 I do too, So I also feel bad for victims 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.800 to be to come forward because why would you you know, 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:20.960 this is like again, like I thought, it was like 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.480 pretty bold for this group of women to step forward 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.440 to say like, yeah, this is something I was into 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.920 for a minute and judge it if you will, But 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:30.840 like then it got really crazy and out of hand 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.520 and I wanted out, but I couldn't get out. And 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.280 now I'm being you know, revenge porned, and like, these 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:36.840 are really intense things. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:37.760 So they put. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.880 Themselves out there. They have to face the person who's 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.840 done this to them. They know they're dangerous. They've seen 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.640 the CNN video of you know, did he beating Cassie 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.680 with one hand while he holds up his towel. They 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.679 know what the repercussions are, and yet still they showed up. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.240 Cassie Ventura still showed up nine months pregnant. She went 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.960 into labor two days later. And now he might get off. 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.240 Its seeming like I took a vote right now, and 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.280 we did in the studio. It was seeming pretty I 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.640 might be the last man standing here on guilty as charged, 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.079 which is kind of scary for those who stood themselves, 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.719 who put themselves out there, I should say they are 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:19.760 I'm especially being a community right, yes, like that puts 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.480 a target on your back by very dangerous people that 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.679 we did prove he's dangerous. 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.679 Lots more to discuss Matthew Russell Leaf from Inner City 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.640 Press is joining us. He has the inside scoop from 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.600 inside Diddy's courtroom. Later in the show, it's Pride Month. 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.719 We're going to be highlighting Matthew Shepherd and how much 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.719 he has impacted our society. Give us a call eight 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.640 to eight through on Crime hear true crimes in it. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.760 Matthew Russell Lee from Inner City. He's here because he's 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.520 been inside the courtroom at the did He trial? So Matthew, 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:06.360 welcome back. 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.040 Glad to be back, Glad to be back. I'm resurfacing. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.440 It's coming to a close, so I'm glad to be 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.480 back on before you know, it's decided one way or another. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:15.520 It's the home stretch. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:19.679 Matthew, what are you thinking before we say anything, what 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.120 is top of mind coming out of today? 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:23.240 I know it's a big day. 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.560 Tomorrow court is not in session and then Thursday could 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.760 be closing arguments. Did he or maybe he'll be home 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:29.439 by the weekend. 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.559 Well no, no, I mean I actually think that just 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.400 for in terms of scheduling tomorrow. Sadly, we do have 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.720 to cover something which is the charge conference, the ever 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.040 important charge conference in which they argue what the legal 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:42.880 instructions are going to be to the jury, and that's 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.360 actually pretty important. I think that's I think sometimes you know, 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.480 people get I get a lot of responses as I'm 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.439 live tweeting this, so people react. I'm not saying emotionally 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.040 is wrong. It's important to like know how you feel 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:54.560 about the thing, but a lot of it is going 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.040 to turn on the legal instruction given to the jury. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.000 Plus just so people know. It seems like now that 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.760 the closing statements are going to go for Thursday and 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.480 Friday and the jury was it was said late today 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.840 by Assistant US Attorney Comi that the jury probably won't 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.720 get the case, i e. Start deliberating until Monday, so 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.120 they have three days before the holiday. So that's that's 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.480 where that stands. But if you wanted to the thing, 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.840 believe it or not, like today was really a roller 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:25.440 coaster because it seemed that the defensive cross examination of 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.560 Special Agent Cercelo was really I thought it was very 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.160 scattershot and it had it had me feeling like, if 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.600 this is all they have their law, they're they're they're done, 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.120 meaning the team Diddy, and it's hit. Didty and his 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.720 nine lawyers or ten depending on how you count them. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.520 But the rule then there was something called the rule 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:45.840 twenty nine most yeah, exactly, it's basically it's done. It's 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.280 sort of it's almost every defendant does it. After the 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.680 government rests, you say they didn't prove their case, don't 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.880 even let it go to the jury. And most judges 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:55.920 are never going to go with that, because you if 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.120 it even got this far, it's obviously a close enough 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.680 question to go to the jury. But they their arguments 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.880 and it's kind of a preview of what their closing 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.400 will be and what their appeal if he's convicted, would be. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.720 And I have to say, I don't like to say 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:09.760 I I know how you not just how you all 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:11.720 feel about it. Having sat here, I think Diddy is 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.880 one of the most weirdest and sickest people that I've 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.240 seen come through the courthouse. And yet and yet they 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.520 do have some arguments, and so I don't know if 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.440 if the arguments will will will we'll have traction with 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.120 the jury. But I could see some of the arguments 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.000 having some traction with an appeals court. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.640 We just recently were doing a poll even in the 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.560 studio here. So honestly, like if you had the same 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.920 poll yesterday, it might have had a different answer, but 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:40.040 as of today, most people around in the studio today 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:42.320 feel like he's going to get off. I'm the only 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.480 one that thinks, for like, say that you did, you did. 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.560 I could see it in your eyes, and I also, yes, I. 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.040 Can tell yeah, I know, I can see that. It's 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.960 it's it's it's difficult, it's sort of I think it's 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:56.840 I think that I think the jurors would be hard 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.720 pressed not to. It's fun. There's five counts, so I 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.040 don't want to. I don't like predicting things, but I 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.280 would be surprised if you were if he were found 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.600 not guilty on all five. I would. But I definitely 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.800 think that there are problems with the Rico charge. Everyone 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.120 has said it from the beginning. Yeah one, And it's 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.760 not just as simple as saying, you know that Rico 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.000 was passed like for the mafia. Right, So it's trying 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.200 to apply to other things, but it's often applied to 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:22.240 drug gangs. But usually the enterprise that it's it's directed 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.880 at is a criminal It's a criminal enterprise, meaning like 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.400 the whole goal of the enterprise is crime. That would 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.200 be like the Banano crime family or the Bloods or 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.120 the Crisp or that, you know what I mean. And 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.840 this is like it's a it's a business empire totally 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.920 based around one individual. And then it's it's it's really 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.560 depressing in terms of like being an intern or or 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.080 you know, being a personal assistant, because there's no question 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.960 that these people became now I don't know what percentage, 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.160 but a big part of their job became preparing these 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:56.040 quote wild king knights and bringing drugs to combs, you know, 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.400 And so it is, it does. There's criminal there's no 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.760 question that employees are the enterprise. We're committing crimes for 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.800 the boss. I don't know. If I don't know if 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.199 that's Rico, then I think like maybe ten percent of 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.120 the business of the United States. I was going to say, 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.119 Cinic could be Rico, right, because all it takes is 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.680 somebody saying like, hey, I'll help you cheat on your taxes, right, 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:18.600 I mean, these are much worse crimes. But if the 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.679 idea that if any of your employees help you with 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.920 your personal crimes, your business is a Rico enterprise, it's 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:26.760 it's You're going a long way with that. 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:32.119 You said you felt that the defenses questioning was scattered. 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:33.399 Did I hear you correctly? 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:33.639 I do? 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:33.919 I do? 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.880 I think, yeah, I think people. I mean, it's difficult 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.760 when the government ended with with this this. You know, 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.000 he's a summary witness. It's not like agents Orcelo knows 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.480 anything about the case. He basically, despite being a highly experienced, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.920 you know, twenty year veteran, they basically give him underlying 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.600 exhibits and say, you, who are a respected special agent, 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.720 should testify in court that the charts that we show 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.120 to summarize the evidence is actually backed up by the evidence. 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.560 So Comby spent a good day with him. Basically, they 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.159 you know, because so much of this trial, uh, you 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.800 had the live testimony of Cassie, you had the live 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.520 testimony of Mia, the witness known as Mia, and the 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.680 witness known as Jane. But so much of it is 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.119 about text messages that they just had. They've we've had 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:21.000 probably four days of summary witnesses reading parts of text 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.240 messages back and forth. And the government wants to emphasize, 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.000 you know that the that Jane or Cassie said I 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.399 don't really want to do it, and Combs was like, 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.480 come on, let's do it, and and then and then 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.959 on and I it's totally the right of the defense 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.320 to say, wait a second, aren't there other exhibits in 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.199 which Jane and Cassie say I really want it and 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.520 that and that's really it's kind of and so the 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.280 people that are that are disgusted by Combs are disgusted 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.080 by those questions because they're basically cherry picking things from 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.800 in both cases pretty early on in the relationship in 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.439 which the person was still in love with Combs. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:19:01.160 Yeahline, no, it's not math you I want to hear. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.960 Did he hus been complaining about the sketch artists? He's 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.560 been saying he's making me look like a Koala bear. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.760 Do you think that's a fair assessment, like or do 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:11.560 you think it's optically like what he wants? 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.280 Yeah, exactly. I think I think that was a very 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.240 I think he wanted to highlight the fact that he's 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.480 become this I agree, this kind of like harmless old guy. 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:19.760 Yeah. 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.080 And also, by the way, I know there's there's two 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.320 main sketch artists here on stn Y. And they also 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.560 work sometimes down the street in the State Court and 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.000 they always get complaints's. They're both very good artists. It's 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.919 just that nobody likes how they're portrayed. Nobody, and also 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:36.760 people view that people view these court sketches depends on 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.160 what their politics are like. During the Trump trial down 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.880 the street, if they made Trump look, you know, somewhat 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.800 normal and even sort of like younger than he really is, 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:50.240 then then then Trump detractors would say, you're a propaganda hands. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:52.880 And of course one time they one of them drew 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.280 I think Tom Brady, and didn't make him look good enough, 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:57.480 and he got a lot of firestorms, so I think, 0:19:57.680 --> 0:19:59.720 but I think I will say this about Shohn Combs. 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.320 He's definitely it's very limited what you can do as 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.000 a defendant unless you testify, and today he confirmed that 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.280 he was not testifying. But he's done everything that he 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.159 can to impact the trial without testifying. He's nodded at 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:14.280 the jurors today, the simple, the simple, alu Kish exactly 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.480 the elocution. He didn't get in trouble for this today, 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:18.199 and I think it was he wasn't in the presence 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.480 of the jury, but it showed the way he's thinking. 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.479 He was asked, you know, mister Combs, you know, how 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.119 are you feeling today by the judge because he has 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.240