Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
Speaker 1: our comic girl Cheering for the drama Queens girl Fashion,
Speaker 1: but you'll tough go. You could sit with us Girl Drama, Queens, Drama,
Speaker 1: Queen's Drawn, MC Queen's Drama Drawn, MC Queen's Drama Queen's Guys,
Speaker 1: we did it. We survived last week's traumatic death. We
Speaker 1: are back in the full like crowded Tree Hill Sports Oriented,
Speaker 1: you know, big huge epic scene kind of episodes, and
Speaker 1: we cried happy tears. Yeah we did. Everybody just needed to.
Speaker 1: Yeah we did. I totally did. Brooke doing that robot
Speaker 1: just made me so don't know people will get there
Speaker 1: with the oh my gosh, Okay. So here guys. It's
Speaker 1: season three, episode fourteen. All Tomorrow's parties, Brooke, Peyton, and
Speaker 1: Haley head to New York, all the three of us
Speaker 1: in car again together. It was so sweet and fun.
Speaker 1: So they go there for Rogue Vogue and then off
Speaker 1: to Charlotte for the Classic, but Brook stays behind and
Speaker 1: makes an important decision about her future. Lucas and Nathan
Speaker 1: reconnect with the family friend and skills learns how to
Speaker 1: swim from Bevan, and Karen asks Keith the big question.
Speaker 1: David Paymer directed this one, and Lotto wrote this, Wow,
Speaker 1: this was really fun. I like this one. I like
Speaker 1: the balance of last week's episode of really intimate conversations
Speaker 1: and this week's episode of us all being together, the
Speaker 1: basketball team, the cheerleading squad, all the parents. And there
Speaker 1: was no Dan in this episode. Yeah, it was so nice.
Speaker 1: We didn't have to be worried about some creeper lurking
Speaker 1: around every corner. Yeah, what a relief, because like, like
Speaker 1: Karen and Keith could finally enjoy themselves, except not really.
Speaker 1: Why is a cute foil for He's fun coming in
Speaker 1: their room and being like, oh look to Ruffles and
Speaker 1: eating their chocolate, and you're just like, oh man, these
Speaker 1: two can't go on a date. It's not like, oh man,
Speaker 1: someone's trying to kill one of them. It's a different,
Speaker 1: different vibe. I love I love Brooks storyline in this episode.
Speaker 1: You know, meet Brooke got a full nineties rom com episode,
Speaker 1: you were I was just waiting for Matthew McConaughey or
Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz to show up somewhere. I think we would
Speaker 1: if Matthew mccon very pleasing um. Instead, it was just
Speaker 1: our friend Sam playing a total greeb oh. Sam Robinson
Speaker 1: is a local actor in Wilmington's and he's He's who
Speaker 1: played that totally weird guy in the Turtleneck, which is
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate because he really is like such a cool
Speaker 1: guy and a buddy of ours from the improv comedy scene.
Speaker 1: But he played a real crazy I don't know if
Speaker 1: I ever met him in real life, so that Sam
Speaker 1: was great. Sam hung out of level five. Babe. Sam
Speaker 1: did this thing though, because clearly he was playing such
Speaker 1: a creepy that he changed his voice. Can you believe
Speaker 1: Brooke Davis gave up all of this like the horrible thing,
Speaker 1: which I actually really appreciated because he was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be gross, I'm really going to go
Speaker 1: for it, and it made me feel better that he
Speaker 1: didn't sound like himself. I loved it. We had so
Speaker 1: many good theater actors in Wilmington's, so it was fun
Speaker 1: when they would show up in our series because we
Speaker 1: get to get excited about them. Wait a second, didn't
Speaker 1: Sam also play the guy that gave Brooke Davis the
Speaker 1: drugs in season one. Yes, in season one's he is yes.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. It's like it's like all those old
Speaker 1: shows like Lucy The Dick Van Dyke Show, where they
Speaker 1: were just recycle actors. They would come back for different
Speaker 1: parts every season. You guys, this is a full cycle storyline.
Speaker 1: Because in season one, when the sports trainer gives Brook
Speaker 1: Davis the hills, she takes them and it's very messy
Speaker 1: that night. But season three, Brooke Davis is like, no, hugs,
Speaker 1: not drugs. I don't want those things. And they're both
Speaker 1: offered by the same guy whoa I guarante. Do you
Speaker 1: know one else thought us deeply about that. The casting
Speaker 1: directors like, I don't know, just can see him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is it though. This is what happens when you
Speaker 1: make something. You go look at that, you see the connections.
Speaker 1: You're just more invested. Hillary, You're such a fun drunk
Speaker 1: and uh and hungovers the real life or are we
Speaker 1: talking about both, babe, because the last time I was
Speaker 1: hungover it was with one Sophia Bush. Yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: get me in trouble man. We're fun. I have to
Speaker 1: say It made me feel so nostalgic because there are
Speaker 1: three iconic images of our show that all come from
Speaker 1: this episode. Yeah, us hugging at the edge of the
Speaker 1: stage at Rogue Vogue, Hillary, you in those freaking aviators
Speaker 1: looking so cool and and you know, there's the gift
Speaker 1: that's like you can't see my eyes but under my sunglasses,
Speaker 1: or like you can't see it but under my sunglasses.
Speaker 1: I'm rolling my eyes at you, and then the three
Speaker 1: of us like doing the robot and the can can
Speaker 1: at the end. I just was cude. Some of our
Speaker 1: best moments all come from this episode, and I loved it.
Speaker 1: That's what made me cry is watching the last scene
Speaker 1: where we're all just dancing and being you know, a
Speaker 1: reverence seventeen and impulsive and like all those things that
Speaker 1: you don't get to be as an adult. Um and
Speaker 1: you set the table really really nicely for the lead
Speaker 1: up to that. This episode, like Brooks story is great
Speaker 1: so that Haley and Peyton we get to just be teenagers.
Speaker 1: You're like Earn with your boyfriend, you know, like, let's
Speaker 1: take a bath together. Haley's being all flirty and young
Speaker 1: and Peyton's being messy and young and Brooke has to
Speaker 1: decide am I going to be young? You know, like,
Speaker 1: do I even get to pick what kind of young
Speaker 1: I want to be? Or do I have to go
Speaker 1: be a grown up? Now? Um, I love that you
Speaker 1: spotted that the differences in all of our and the
Speaker 1: thread between all of our storylines, and it just goes
Speaker 1: to show that they there is so much thought that's
Speaker 1: put into those things. It's not just righte dialogue put
Speaker 1: people in situations. It's how do we tie all these
Speaker 1: things together? You know, And especially because we're all dealing
Speaker 1: with pretty grown up stuff. Haley and Nathan are putting
Speaker 1: their marriage back together. Peyton just lost Ellie, you know,
Speaker 1: to go through a major loss, and and to your point,
Speaker 1: Brooks trying to figure out is she ready for what's next?
Speaker 1: And it's beautiful to see these kids be kids. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to be a grown up, you don't
Speaker 1: have to leave your childhood behind. And it is interesting
Speaker 1: now that I'm thinking about what you just said, to
Speaker 1: consider the fact that it's Brooke Davis who's like, I
Speaker 1: just want to hang onto my innocence for a little
Speaker 1: while longer, especially considering what she had just been saying
Speaker 1: about being scared to leave high school. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I have to say there was a part of me
Speaker 1: that was really rooting for her to take the go
Speaker 1: forward with the fashion show and just take that big
Speaker 1: risk and you know, move forward in life. But um,
Speaker 1: this time, the decision didn't feel like it was coming
Speaker 1: out of fear of leaving high school and fear of
Speaker 1: leaving it all behind. It was like, after the conversation
Speaker 1: with Doubt in the in the taxi, that she really
Speaker 1: understood and appreciation for what she has and she just
Speaker 1: wanted to hold onto it a little bit longer, not
Speaker 1: out of fear of what if I can't make it,
Speaker 1: because she would have done, and she would have amazing
Speaker 1: things would have happened, great doors would have opened for her. Um. So,
Speaker 1: knowing that those possibilities are out there, I think maybe
Speaker 1: it gave Brook a little more confidence to be able
Speaker 1: to make the decision to stay in high school. I
Speaker 1: don't know, what do you think? Yeah? I think so,
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, Ann as a writer
Speaker 1: did such a beautiful job. It's funny to realize Ann
Speaker 1: Latta wrote this episode and Stacy Rukeyser was our story editor.
Speaker 1: There is a different energy with those ladies balancing these
Speaker 1: big questions that these young women are asking themselves. And
Speaker 1: what I loved was, you know, dud and by the way,
Speaker 1: I mean give us that you guys, Brian George showing
Speaker 1: up and me just being like Seinfeld was so cool. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, for the kids and who are like twelve
Speaker 1: years old who don't know Seinfeld lay it out for them,
Speaker 1: because it was a geek out moment to have him come. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like to you know, to get someone
Speaker 1: from one of your favorite comedies of all time who
Speaker 1: like shows up on your set. And by the way,
Speaker 1: who's such a brilliant comedic actor. Brian George is actually
Speaker 1: a very you know, witty British comedian and he came
Speaker 1: in and and he played this beautiful story and I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously it's not the same kind of relationship
Speaker 1: you had with Cheryl, but in the way that when
Speaker 1: she showed up you felt very held. You had like
Speaker 1: parental energy that was safe for you, which like we
Speaker 1: just didn't have in Wilmington's Um. Brian made me feel
Speaker 1: that way. I remember just like babbling out, you know, compliments,
Speaker 1: and he was like, okay, al right, well you know
Speaker 1: now I'm on your show. And I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. He was so sweet and disarming, and we
Speaker 1: spent this whole night, you know, hanging out on Front
Speaker 1: Street shooting it like it was New York and driving
Speaker 1: around in this cab and and in between takes, we
Speaker 1: we're having conversations like Brooke and I would were about
Speaker 1: life and creativity and acting and you know, living in
Speaker 1: New York and just all these things that were so
Speaker 1: enjoyable for me. And I think I was I was
Speaker 1: so hungry for as a young actor, and so I
Speaker 1: loved that the sort of sparkle we felt together came through,
Speaker 1: and that his sweetness so clearly came through. And I
Speaker 1: like that these women gave you a gentle misdirect where
Speaker 1: he said, you know your life, you know, time passes
Speaker 1: by so fast. Make your life great now, start right now.
Speaker 1: And you think she's going to, you know, put it
Speaker 1: all in on her career, and she realizes what is
Speaker 1: great to her is her friends home, and it's so special.
Speaker 1: I think that's why it made me cry. Well. I can,
Speaker 1: I can, I can feel the it was real, you
Speaker 1: know those times when we do scenes and they're real,
Speaker 1: like like you were actually having a magical experience with
Speaker 1: a total stranger, but you were in a scene where
Speaker 1: you were having a magical experience. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: think I think we've been lucky that we've been able
Speaker 1: to be totally aware of those moments, like when Cheryl
Speaker 1: Crowe came to that Enjoy got to be with Cheryl
Speaker 1: Crowe and it was like, oh my god, we're doing
Speaker 1: this thing and like what are you doing? You know,
Speaker 1: like those magical moments are rare, but you know, here
Speaker 1: we are, how many years later and you can still
Speaker 1: feel it. It's still that tinkly thing and we weren't
Speaker 1: even in that scene when we get it. By the way,
Speaker 1: I love that you just brought up Cheryl Crowe. A
Speaker 1: friend of mine was at her show last night and
Speaker 1: tagged me in the Instagram story and was like where
Speaker 1: all the one tree Hill stands at and oh my god,
Speaker 1: and I got that same feeling. We're here totally, totally,
Speaker 1: so great. And I love that brook at the end
Speaker 1: because historically are just leaking because because you know what
Speaker 1: you got brought on to be the comedy, the hot girl.
Speaker 1: That man took you seriously, and I don't know that
Speaker 1: you felt that from a lot of adults in our space.
Speaker 1: And so for that man who you already knew and
Speaker 1: respected to come on and treat you like a professional
Speaker 1: and to take a moment with you and respect you
Speaker 1: and to have like an earnest scene, I can see
Speaker 1: why that would be touching, especially as a young artist.
Speaker 1: You know, we got bullied by a lot of the
Speaker 1: grown ups that were around us, and it's very confusing
Speaker 1: to figure out what sort of respect you deserve and
Speaker 1: to look at an adult who you really respect and
Speaker 1: have that person, to your point, treat you so well,
Speaker 1: be completely non creepy, be so supportive, and you know,
Speaker 1: to have an actor who I grew up watching say
Speaker 1: you're a phenomenal actor to me was like, WHOA, really
Speaker 1: you think I like my job a lot? It's really
Speaker 1: cool because wow, like it's it's it can be very
Speaker 1: Those experiences can be very transformative, especially when you're not
Speaker 1: in a day to day space that feels totally healthy
Speaker 1: to you. You know, I wanted to ask Joy if
Speaker 1: she connected with this storyline because of the three of us,
Speaker 1: it is Joy's real life that is most like Brooks narrative.
Speaker 1: Because you went to New York as like a teenager
Speaker 1: to go work, and and had to choose between like,
Speaker 1: you know, high school crap and also I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: live on my own and like I'm gonna work. I'm
Speaker 1: a teenager. I'm gonna go work. You know, did you
Speaker 1: see yourself in that at all? I recognized that that room,
Speaker 1: you know, the party room where they're you know, the
Speaker 1: girls drugged out and somebody's hitting on you and your
Speaker 1: way too young, and you know, everybody's sort of like
Speaker 1: acting like this is the norm, and aren't you lucky
Speaker 1: to be here with us? I've been there, um and
Speaker 1: I always left. I always felt uncomfortable, and like I
Speaker 1: just didn't. It was it was the same reaction brookehead,
Speaker 1: like get your hands off of me, stop touching me.
Speaker 1: What are you doing you know doing? Yeah? And I
Speaker 1: credit my parents, you know they I guess it was
Speaker 1: just they always gave me a good sense of um
Speaker 1: self and grounded nous, so that when I was in
Speaker 1: scenarios where there was a lot of peer pressure, I
Speaker 1: just didn't. It didn't phaze me very much. Um. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I recognized that. But I think also I
Speaker 1: never really felt the tug of like oh am I
Speaker 1: going to choose to be a high school kid and
Speaker 1: just enjoy that life, or am I going to go
Speaker 1: be an adult in New York. I was always just like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm I'm out here, Like, I'll see you
Speaker 1: guys later. You guys have fun, prom I'm out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I love that broke in the end because also
Speaker 1: I was gonna say this, Historically, Brooke would have been
Speaker 1: the person with when the routine went wrong and somebody
Speaker 1: screwed up. I think Brooke historically would have been the
Speaker 1: person that got really frustrated and didn't know what to do,
Speaker 1: and like was just you know, because she wanted it
Speaker 1: to all be perfect. So I love that she just
Speaker 1: let go and she was like, I'm gonna lead by
Speaker 1: example here. I'm stepping out and I'm just gonna take
Speaker 1: a hold of what i want and embrace what I
Speaker 1: came here to do, which is not to win a competition.
Speaker 1: I came here to be a kid for as long
Speaker 1: as I can right now, So let's do it. Made
Speaker 1: me cry immediately. Yeah, I mean, look, we just turned forty,
Speaker 1: sof and I and I woke up the morning of
Speaker 1: my forty birthday with a sty in my eye. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what the is this? And my doctor's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's stress related, and I'm like, you think cool, story man,
Speaker 1: And so all I wanted to do for my birthday
Speaker 1: was go home to my friend's parents house and have
Speaker 1: a pool party in her yard, because the least stressful
Speaker 1: thing I could think of was having Debbie Dawson's brownies
Speaker 1: and going swimming in her backyard and sitting on a
Speaker 1: trampoline at you and because you you also had the
Speaker 1: same pig hill. You were in high school, but you
Speaker 1: were like getting ready to get out. You were like,
Speaker 1: how do I get to New York? How do I go?
Speaker 1: I made the Brook Davis decision. I went to tell
Speaker 1: us I got an agent when I was twelve or
Speaker 1: thirteen years old, and my parents would drive me from
Speaker 1: Virginia up to New York and I would audition and
Speaker 1: I would get close on stuff, you know, or or
Speaker 1: it was just cool to be in the room for,
Speaker 1: like really auditions, like joy I feel like you and
Speaker 1: I probably went up for a lot of the same stuff.
Speaker 1: Horse Whisperer, Girl Star Wars. Remember when they were talking
Speaker 1: to every chick on the planet trying to find Natalie
Speaker 1: Portman's part. So yeah, we went up for all these
Speaker 1: cool things and it was neat, but I was getting
Speaker 1: in trouble with the cheerleading squad because I was missing
Speaker 1: like major practices and games and things and routines were
Speaker 1: being screwed up because I wasn't there or I was
Speaker 1: into school play, and I would get called up for
Speaker 1: an audition, and so I had to have a meeting
Speaker 1: with my agent and say, look, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: go to college in New York, but I'm going to
Speaker 1: stop auditioning for the next three years. And so my
Speaker 1: sophomore year in high school, I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to audition anymore so I can gain the life experience.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna need to play a high
Speaker 1: school or later because I knew they cast eighteen year
Speaker 1: olds high schoolers. You had to be over eighteen and hot.
Speaker 1: Damn if it didn't work out, you called it. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you gotta call your shot. But I like, um, I
Speaker 1: like that Brooke could have gone either way and it
Speaker 1: would have been a win. I feel like a fan
Speaker 1: base would have been like yes either way. So maybe
Speaker 1: we should do that pole, we should pull the audience
Speaker 1: and see, like who thinks she should have done the
Speaker 1: fashion show and who thinks she should have come home
Speaker 1: to the Sparkle Classic. What I love about picking the Classic, though,
Speaker 1: is it at this moment in my life looking back,
Speaker 1: it makes me realize that your decision, you know, in
Speaker 1: real life Brooks decision on screen, it's about giving yourself
Speaker 1: permission to slow down. And things do go so fast,
Speaker 1: and it's like, how meaningful it can be to say no,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm going to slow down. It's a cocky move.
Speaker 1: It's a cocky move because you're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I could get it now, I could get it later.
Speaker 1: I'm in it. Yeah. Like as kids, you're like, I've
Speaker 1: got my whole future ahead of me. As adults, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like the baby. The osfor Journey might not come back.
Speaker 1: But you know what's really interesting, You're right, I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's about trusting yourself. And I trust
Speaker 1: myself now more than I did then, certainly. And you know,
Speaker 1: I chose this summer to like chill. You know, the
Speaker 1: three of us do this, but I'm not doing anything else.
Speaker 1: People keep asking me to do and I'm like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm going to live for a hot second. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be home. I'm just gonna be here. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: this moment. This season is so special. I just want
Speaker 1: to have this moment. Let's talk about other work stuff
Speaker 1: in September. And every once in a while I feel
Speaker 1: that thing where I'm like, oh God, what am I doing?
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, no, no, I chose this choice.
Speaker 1: I chose this choice. I choose my choice. I choose
Speaker 1: my choice. I choose my choice. And it's great, but
Speaker 1: it takes work to say I can slow down and
Speaker 1: it it feels wild to go. Oh man, Brooke Davis
Speaker 1: teach me this lesson and did me just long to
Speaker 1: learn it? Well, it's clear that this is a subject
Speaker 1: matter that is near and dear to us, you know,
Speaker 1: especially when we're young women fighting for our youth. And
Speaker 1: we were really lucky that the person who wrote this
Speaker 1: episode was also a very young writer in our writer's
Speaker 1: room at that time. That must be why it feels
Speaker 1: so honest. I mean, she was just a couple of
Speaker 1: years older than us. She was like, I kn't so,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, with no further ado, we have miss
Speaker 1: Annelatto here, the writer of episode three fourteen, All Tomorrow's parties,
Speaker 1: let's get her in here. Oh my goodness, ladies, one day,
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Speaker 1: Super exciting to start doubling up on shows. You know,
Speaker 1: we were only going to do one show in each town.
Speaker 1: Now we're doubling up on some of them, which is
Speaker 1: exciting for those of you who are going to be
Speaker 1: at the later show. Congratulations, because to us, it's only
Speaker 1: going to get spicier as the night goes on. How
Speaker 1: many people do you think will come to the first
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Speaker 1: the venues where we're doing two shows. We should take
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Speaker 1: We decided we wanted to be together and thought, let's
Speaker 1: just plan a fun week. And now I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh my god, do we need to go on a
Speaker 1: national tour? Are just gonna invite a few thousand people?
Speaker 1: Do we need to go on a European tour? Do
Speaker 1: we need to go like an Australian tour? All the things?
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for showing up. We can't wait to
Speaker 1: see all on the road. Hi team, Oh my gosh, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see you guys. Where are you
Speaker 1: right now? Where in the world are you? Be very
Speaker 1: emotional for me? Okay, So I'm like, this is what
Speaker 1: I was hoping to Um, I was hoping to just
Speaker 1: show up at your house. Hillary. I'm in I'm in Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: I mean be here, so I'm like a hour away
Speaker 1: from Yeah, you should have been here. I'm literally in
Speaker 1: my garl Odd right now. We could have just like
Speaker 1: sweated it out together in here. I know it's so hot.
Speaker 1: I'm also going to look like I'm like like really
Speaker 1: like sweating it, literally sweating it really bad. You're glowing,
Speaker 1: You're glowing. So how long have you been in Massachusetts? Mmm?
Speaker 1: So I keep saying I moved five years ago, but
Speaker 1: at this point it's been two thousand fifteen. It's like
Speaker 1: seven years. So I was in l A from nine
Speaker 1: till um two thousand fourteen. I came back when I
Speaker 1: was pregnant with my second kid, um because I was like,
Speaker 1: everyone's like, what do you can do for kindergarten? I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, the easiest thing for me
Speaker 1: to do kindergarten has just moved back to Honestly how
Speaker 1: I felt. I was like, I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: interviewed for school. It's a full time job. Everyone's like,
Speaker 1: you applied to ten schools and you get rejected from ten,
Speaker 1: then they'll get in. I'm like, that's your plan, That's
Speaker 1: that's what people do for school. So I'm back in
Speaker 1: my hometown, like living that dream in my you know,
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollar five bedroom house. Well that's what
Speaker 1: this whole episode is about. It's about Brooke deciding to
Speaker 1: choose her hometown over that glitzy dream. And so how
Speaker 1: did you How did you land in l A? Like
Speaker 1: what was the trajectory for you to start writing I
Speaker 1: had always wanted to. I think I really came out
Speaker 1: to l A because I love Felicity and Buffy, like
Speaker 1: I thought I thought they were like like art. Like
Speaker 1: I was like, and I didn't even know you could
Speaker 1: be a TV writer, Like back then you couldn't major
Speaker 1: and you know, you couldn't major in it in school,
Speaker 1: like I didn't get any you know, like there was
Speaker 1: nothing to do in college. I just majored in English.
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted about l A. Um. I had
Speaker 1: a second because like my dad's cousin lived in Venice,
Speaker 1: and I like slept on his couch and got this
Speaker 1: to land kind of Venice was never been I was
Speaker 1: like sos, you know, like the more to the east
Speaker 1: side I got was like more Sensilver like then Echo
Speaker 1: Park then you know, so I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is my world, right, So I await from that and
Speaker 1: by the time so by the time I landed on
Speaker 1: one dree Hill, that was definitely like a huge break.
Speaker 1: And I had actually gone back to for just a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks waitressing, which was like the end. I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, I've got it do this
Speaker 1: because I haven't And I used to like write in
Speaker 1: my mind, my own heat. He true Hollywoo would be
Speaker 1: like she had started. She was at the Evendel group
Speaker 1: working as a hostess because they were so competitive. They
Speaker 1: were like we before you. One night a week hostes
Speaker 1: sing and I was like, oh my god, this is um.
Speaker 1: So I've been to Toronto. That's what I went to
Speaker 1: born and that's the Canadian citizenship. So I was there
Speaker 1: for a minute before I came out. Did that landed
Speaker 1: on there? It was a great, great atmosphere in the
Speaker 1: very beginning with that. So he was the assistant. We
Speaker 1: wrote a spec together when we were both assistants. Me
Speaker 1: and my Carol wrote wrote the thing together. We were
Speaker 1: like best buds. We've been researchers on the weakest link together.
Speaker 1: That was our job that we met at. Then I
Speaker 1: was promoted to writer's assistant, which is when I went
Speaker 1: in the room. So the first year I wasn't really
Speaker 1: in the room. It was like this, we didn't get
Speaker 1: to I didn't get to see what actually happened. We
Speaker 1: sat out and answered phones and we got to do
Speaker 1: a little. I wrote punk and disorderly, so I wrote
Speaker 1: I wrote like I just wrote like every day. She
Speaker 1: had a little journal entry and it was what Peyton
Speaker 1: was thinking. So I would like put a quote from
Speaker 1: a song, but who it was from, and then say
Speaker 1: this song makes me think of you know, summer, like
Speaker 1: one line. Thrilled to do that. I was so happy.
Speaker 1: So you were the original Twitter, Yes it was. It
Speaker 1: was yes on that on that. By the way, that
Speaker 1: website used to be up for like a really long time. Someone,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you there's a cool fan that screen grabbed
Speaker 1: the hell out of it. Yeah. Um, I was there
Speaker 1: for three years. I was as an assistant, then I
Speaker 1: was the writer's assistant. Then weirdly, so all the boys
Speaker 1: got promoted and I was in the same level as them,
Speaker 1: and I did not. I got made a writer's us
Speaker 1: in for the second year, while everybody else got promoted
Speaker 1: to writer. Now I don't know if you know, like
Speaker 1: the financial jump for that is from seven hundred a
Speaker 1: week two at the time, and this is before script
Speaker 1: and for for everything to a week. Wow. So all
Speaker 1: the other people who got promoted were men. So the
Speaker 1: two other boys, it was John Norris and Mike Harrow
Speaker 1: and me were all assistants eaten. They got bumped up, um,
Speaker 1: and I got left in that spot, and they actually
Speaker 1: went to the show runner and they were like, can
Speaker 1: we give some of our salary to Oh my god.
Speaker 1: They were so like that was so cool because it
Speaker 1: is such a different and that and the money is
Speaker 1: to me what comes back to how why every everything
Speaker 1: they were making so much money? And I was so outspoken, um,
Speaker 1: and I was so I spoken about the use of
Speaker 1: the word bitch and slut and horror and skink NonStop,
Speaker 1: like my passion, and I like hated it. There was
Speaker 1: one one of my I remember there's one scene where
Speaker 1: you were playing a guitar, Haley, and someone shouts from
Speaker 1: the Autistan take it off, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: I just I was like, there's something about that, like
Speaker 1: when you're up performing and someone reduces you to like
Speaker 1: just yelled like that and and and they would like
Speaker 1: but I always spoke off about that stuff and the
Speaker 1: like you're taking it to say, you know, blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, because I feel like I like really
Speaker 1: did actually like I'm really proud of stuff I did
Speaker 1: police then because it was always my stomach drops when
Speaker 1: I hear like slutt and bitch and horror. So for
Speaker 1: them too, when they would use it, and especially there
Speaker 1: was so much like female female against like negative stuff
Speaker 1: and the and the narrative that girls throw themselves at boards. Reality,
Speaker 1: it's like it's the other way around, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean for the most part um, but it's like sexualized,
Speaker 1: like going after like that was the character of Rachel
Speaker 1: and then some of it came from the networ too.
Speaker 1: It was like we had female following and their agenda
Speaker 1: was how do we get boys to watch? How do
Speaker 1: we get boys to watch? Instead of supporting all these
Speaker 1: die hard fans that are looking for identity. And then
Speaker 1: they would be like, oh, I know, let's have Rachel
Speaker 1: hold a basketball in front of her boobs and saying
Speaker 1: game on. And it was like, first of all, like
Speaker 1: boys can find corn, Like do you think they're gonna
Speaker 1: trune into one Tree Hill so they can watch that?
Speaker 1: Like can we just give story? Like and it would
Speaker 1: break my heart because a lot of the girls were
Speaker 1: really young to um you know, like thirteen and you
Speaker 1: know is still really young. You know. We get like
Speaker 1: kids that are like, Hi, I'm named Brooke, I'm named Hayley,
Speaker 1: And you're like, maybe don't watch this yet, don't watch
Speaker 1: you know, even my daughter's eleven, and you know, she's
Speaker 1: in the room sometimes when I'm podcasting or whatever, and
Speaker 1: I'm a little like, we don't turn around, don't watch them.
Speaker 1: Our daughters were born like the same time. I think
Speaker 1: mine was. My daughter's born in January two thou eleven.
Speaker 1: So what was your experience like writing this episode? So
Speaker 1: this episode? Okay, So first of all, I thought that
Speaker 1: I was not going to get one because he kept
Speaker 1: putting it off. And part of what made the dynamic
Speaker 1: word was I got um. I sold a pilot to
Speaker 1: t Nick at the time, and I'll be the first
Speaker 1: to admit I was a little like big for my bridge.
Speaker 1: Like I was kind of like because the people in
Speaker 1: my ear were like, this show, You've got your own show.
Speaker 1: But of course that showed like it got Greenland and
Speaker 1: then it never happened. Yeah, yeah, but we don't know
Speaker 1: that when we're in our twenties. Were just like, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so I was a little bit getting
Speaker 1: and I was also pissed because I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: here till eleven o'clock at night breaking like I was
Speaker 1: doing like a lot of the stories. So I will
Speaker 1: tell you all the stuff that was then I won't
Speaker 1: do this on things that look so better. But I
Speaker 1: came up with Brooking because they were like, they were like,
Speaker 1: let's do I go. You know, it's something that has
Speaker 1: not been approached ever. I'm like, let's go to female masturbation.
Speaker 1: Can we do that that we don't even need to
Speaker 1: hook up with boys? Yeah, I was like, let's let's
Speaker 1: take it outside. That was Brookie. I did all the letters.
Speaker 1: Was that was my story lain whatever. So anyway, I
Speaker 1: was supposed to write the episode before where Peyton's bomb dies,
Speaker 1: and I was blotted in for that, and then the
Speaker 1: show runner came to me and said, I'm going to
Speaker 1: give this to Stacy because her father had just died.
Speaker 1: And I was like okay, and he goes, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you the next one. It's gonna be really fun.
Speaker 1: It looked horrible on paper. I'm not gonna lie. It
Speaker 1: was like this like what like? And also, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've noticed this one, how much like product
Speaker 1: placement was crammed it? Oh my god, yeah, so much
Speaker 1: spray and let me play my song? And like the
Speaker 1: car what was the car that you had to mention?
Speaker 1: The cruiser we're in our pt cruiser and I was like,
Speaker 1: why are we in this car in Rachel's fridge? Yeah? Yeah? Oh,
Speaker 1: and can I give you my debit master card too,
Speaker 1: so that you can make it have me feed while
Speaker 1: you withdraw that from any any at M around the corner.
Speaker 1: And then also there was that weird spin off storyline
Speaker 1: with skills is are not? Was it the family when
Speaker 1: they go to battle? Yeah? Yeah, Nathan to maybe be
Speaker 1: a NASCAR spinoff, So that whole thing was crammed in there.
Speaker 1: Another Nascar thing. It was gonna be, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: gonna be with his family. There was possibly a storyline there,
Speaker 1: So that made no sense and had to be because
Speaker 1: they tried to make Nascar happen this season before and
Speaker 1: the day was still clearing around at the studio. So
Speaker 1: it was if we combine remember these guys, and then
Speaker 1: we do these guys and this is the driver and
Speaker 1: this guy will be the night security, and it'll be
Speaker 1: all these people that you've met over the course of
Speaker 1: these seasons of this show. And it's not a bad
Speaker 1: idea to do that, I mean, like, I can see
Speaker 1: how that would be useful, but it just fell out
Speaker 1: of place with her just like, cool, let me just
Speaker 1: clunk this in here real quick, let me clunk this
Speaker 1: in here so you can sell a show. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't have much time to do it, and stuff like that. So, um,
Speaker 1: so there was that. But then I feel like, but
Speaker 1: I have a question because obviously, look, there's the politics
Speaker 1: of you being a young woman in a room. So
Speaker 1: you've gotten behind the first door, but they're still holding
Speaker 1: you at arm's length. They're dangling the carrot of well,
Speaker 1: if you just do this well, and if you do
Speaker 1: this well, and if you make less money than everybody
Speaker 1: else in the room, but you don't complain about it,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll give you the episode that we promised you
Speaker 1: last season, but you'll get one this season. It's a
Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit, and it's something that I think is
Speaker 1: familiar to so many of us, so many arenas. That
Speaker 1: car that carrot is infuriating, and as we all know,
Speaker 1: it happens to women in ways that it doesn't often
Speaker 1: happen to other people in in corporate structures. Um, I
Speaker 1: can go and add nauseum about how if we actually
Speaker 1: had pay equity in America, there the GDP of the
Speaker 1: entire nation would increase by twelve points like that it
Speaker 1: would be great. Um, I just love a number. But
Speaker 1: in the middle of all this like patriarchal political bullshit
Speaker 1: that you're dealing with as the youngest female employee in
Speaker 1: the room, you got this script, which I get in
Speaker 1: an outline you said looked kind of like trash or
Speaker 1: like how am I going to make this work? But
Speaker 1: you did. You wound up writing a show we talked about.
Speaker 1: By the end, when the three of us are dancing
Speaker 1: and all the pressures off and these kids are just
Speaker 1: being kids, we were all crying watching you took us
Speaker 1: on such a great journey and it was magic. So
Speaker 1: how did you do it? Magical? And yeah, so magical
Speaker 1: And here's one of so that last scene like as
Speaker 1: the whole, that's when you know, and she's like reflecting
Speaker 1: and being like I want to be a kid and
Speaker 1: just the way, um you know. And one thing that
Speaker 1: Montreal does so good is those Kodas, those montages and
Speaker 1: the music. And I was so I was a big
Speaker 1: music person, so I made like it was funny. I
Speaker 1: remember one of the writers was like everyone has to
Speaker 1: have their think. Yours is music, mine is sports. This
Speaker 1: guy's pelt like everyone has to have their own and
Speaker 1: and like I you know, and I genuinely do like music,
Speaker 1: and I always envisioned that scene with a very um
Speaker 1: slow with a slow song, with a sad song. The
Speaker 1: song that I wanted to use was, um, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys, it's it's red right ankle by
Speaker 1: the decembris. Oh. That would have been a very different scene,
Speaker 1: would have been a very different thing. And it's like,
Speaker 1: but what I loved about it is it has this
Speaker 1: random line. Well, it has like such great lines, but
Speaker 1: like the last verse is like, this is the story
Speaker 1: of the men who loved you, who loved you now,
Speaker 1: loved you then, And it was like, so I wanted
Speaker 1: that I just give myself a little too. But then
Speaker 1: another line that made no sense, but it was like,
Speaker 1: this is the story of your gypsy uncle who you
Speaker 1: never knew because he was dead. And it was like
Speaker 1: this foreshadowing around Keith and wanted to like when they
Speaker 1: proposed to each other, I wanted that line to be there,
Speaker 1: and so I had this big vision and he's like
Speaker 1: I was there with you. I understand, but like I
Speaker 1: want him, you know, we need to keep it up
Speaker 1: and keep energy and I was like, Okay, you know, um,
Speaker 1: and and I think it still works, but I like
Speaker 1: wish I was like, I wish I could just even
Speaker 1: like edited that once just to see how that played out,
Speaker 1: because it was so like, well, well, I'm sure we
Speaker 1: have a fan that can set it to that song
Speaker 1: for us, so so why don't you post that on
Speaker 1: Instagram for us? That would be cool. Played it for
Speaker 1: myself and the thing, but like, and we had a
Speaker 1: really good time in the room, and the dynamic is weird.
Speaker 1: So it's like, um, the writers all get together and
Speaker 1: it's all on the board or whatever, and the show
Speaker 1: runner would kind of come in after and be like,
Speaker 1: show me what you got, and we'd be like, so
Speaker 1: we have this, and we have this, and we did
Speaker 1: have There was one version that was earlier that we
Speaker 1: were really excited about that got slightly tweaked as well,
Speaker 1: But what stayed was that just like being able to
Speaker 1: hold onto the moment of your youth while it's happening,
Speaker 1: which is very hard because it's very easy you look
Speaker 1: and so easy to be so nostalgic, but when it's happening,
Speaker 1: it just you know what I mean, It goes by
Speaker 1: and you don't and you aren't able to grasp it. Um.
Speaker 1: You know how the subways in New York City have
Speaker 1: those like poems up sometimes Yeah that's like, yeah, to
Speaker 1: calm you down on the subway so you don't stab anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah those And I remember seeing one that was like,
Speaker 1: not a particularly good poem, but it had some line
Speaker 1: that was like, um, we won't tell the writer of
Speaker 1: that poem, whoever, whoever it was, if they listened to
Speaker 1: this and they'll recognize it. And it was like, um,
Speaker 1: when we die, I think heaven is going to be
Speaker 1: like our memories, not the way they happen, but the
Speaker 1: way we remember them. And it was just this very
Speaker 1: good nuance of like, it's not like that when it's happening,
Speaker 1: but sometimes it is every now, and the actual thing
Speaker 1: that's happening you realize while it's happening, and that's such
Speaker 1: a gift. And I felt like that's what I wanted
Speaker 1: to capture, and I hope that I did. I think
Speaker 1: that's why it felt so special. Yeah, I'm like a
Speaker 1: nostalgic person, but that bit when you're drunk, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: my drunk song. Yeah, so the stars are crying for Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to write that. I had to register that yeah,
Speaker 1: because it had to be an original line and original
Speaker 1: two and I had just say it to David Paymer
Speaker 1: or not David Paymer, whoever the director was, David David
Speaker 1: Paper directed this one. Yeah, Yeah, And so like that
Speaker 1: was really fun that I got to do that. It
Speaker 1: was really fun. In the beginning. The quote about being
Speaker 1: jealous of the angels, yeah, is a poem that a
Speaker 1: friend of mine wrote that. I was like, Sylvie, that
Speaker 1: poem you wrote about and the name of that poem
Speaker 1: was the endless perfection of your absence friend who died.
Speaker 1: So I got to incorporate so much that I've been
Speaker 1: holding in for so long. I also made everybody after
Speaker 1: all my friends. So Bevin Mursky is my good friend,
Speaker 1: Michelle Mursky. So when she was horrible, reason, I was
Speaker 1: like Michelle Bevin Mursky because she got named in that episode.
Speaker 1: That's right. We never knew her last name before name.
Speaker 1: I did know that happened in that episode. That's so great.
Speaker 1: We have watched a lot of episodes at this point,
Speaker 1: and this one does rate very, very high because it
Speaker 1: feels most like a teenage girl's perspective um, right on
Speaker 1: the cusp of having to make these grown up decisions
Speaker 1: and like you said, like taking advantage of a moment
Speaker 1: while it's happening, not after. And so you being such
Speaker 1: a young person in the writer's room, one would think
Speaker 1: they would come to you and ask, like, hey, what's
Speaker 1: it like to be a sixteen year old girl? Because
Speaker 1: you know, not everyone in that room knew what that
Speaker 1: was like. Were you a sounding board for some of
Speaker 1: their ideas? Oh? Yeah, I mean I was remotely the
Speaker 1: closest they had to a sixteen year old girl. I
Speaker 1: also had two younger sisters the time, so I I
Speaker 1: still do. So I was kind of um, but they
Speaker 1: would know. I think that they relied on that a lot.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think I got like a chip
Speaker 1: on my shoulder, why I got like, you know, annoyed.
Speaker 1: It was it was so weird to look out and
Speaker 1: see that room and I'm not it was four it's
Speaker 1: fourteen older men. It was very very odd. Um, by
Speaker 1: the way, here's a detail that is crazy that in
Speaker 1: the room and I think, I don't think we didn't
Speaker 1: make this up. But in the room when um, when
Speaker 1: everybody would take a we would break the story so
Speaker 1: you break the scenes, you break the acts, break the scenes,
Speaker 1: and then um, we would go off and people would
Speaker 1: get their own scenes. So you'd get a scene of
Speaker 1: like what was going to happen, right, so say like
Speaker 1: from the outline, Yeah, from the outline, and then and
Speaker 1: then you have to go right to fill it in.
Speaker 1: You get to write the dialogue, You get to write
Speaker 1: fun stuff that you want to happen in it. And
Speaker 1: when we would break that up, which by the way,
Speaker 1: is illegal from the w J You're not supposed to
Speaker 1: do this, but we would break it up. But we
Speaker 1: would call it gang banging the outline, Oh god, which
Speaker 1: is still uncomfortable when you got are we gonna gang
Speaker 1: bang this? We're gonna gang bang the outline? Oh god?
Speaker 1: Little things, little things, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: you don't know because you're so early in your career.
Speaker 1: You haven't worked necessarily in healthy places yet, so you
Speaker 1: just kind of assume, like, oh, it's like those everywhere, right.
Speaker 1: I remember the whole thing that came out like with
Speaker 1: the friends, Um, it was the friend's assistant when she
Speaker 1: like was a whistleblower. She was like, listen, this is
Speaker 1: so like, this is what it's like in the room,
Speaker 1: and it does get really brutal in the room, and
Speaker 1: and you had to be the kind of girl that
Speaker 1: could roll with that and would never get offended by
Speaker 1: that and that, and again like I don't care what
Speaker 1: you say, Like let's go there, let's go everywhere. But
Speaker 1: like there's when we're making references to rape, then it
Speaker 1: gets weird, right, So like that doesn't make a prude,
Speaker 1: and like whatever, I don't care what we say, because
Speaker 1: like you are very open in that thing, you know,
Speaker 1: like acting and writing. It's it's different than my sister
Speaker 1: is a school teacher when she came to the room,
Speaker 1: but she's like, I can't believe the way you're allowed
Speaker 1: to speak. Just yea and there listen. There is an
Speaker 1: expectation of more detail for any subject, more intimacy. You
Speaker 1: are creating intimate lives as actors and writers. But to
Speaker 1: Hillary's point, when you've worked in more places, you know
Speaker 1: what healthy intimacy looks like versus unhealthy intimacy, And the
Speaker 1: kind of things you're referring to are deeply unhealthy because
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to be messy to be
Speaker 1: an artist and to create things. There has to be
Speaker 1: a space where you can say stupid things or do
Speaker 1: you know, do some or offend someone or whatever. There
Speaker 1: has to be space for that because you're creating something
Speaker 1: and that there is a rawness and a vulnerability, but
Speaker 1: there's a way to do it that is healthy and
Speaker 1: consider it and where there's forgiveness and there's space to say,
Speaker 1: oh I need to learn something here. Sorry, I totally
Speaker 1: stepped out of line. Didn't realize that. Apologies, I forgive you.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. But when you're in an environment where
Speaker 1: everyone's just it's like autheritarian, everyone's just expected to kiss
Speaker 1: the ring. When you're in a room where there's sixteen
Speaker 1: people and only two women and the men are throwing
Speaker 1: around terms like that, it's absolutely unhealthy. And it Yeah,
Speaker 1: period happened on my very first day. I came in
Speaker 1: one of the all the assistants were male, and there's
Speaker 1: a p a, there was a there was a writer,
Speaker 1: um the first year who wasn't there, and um the
Speaker 1: Paris Hillton sex tape had just come out. God, and
Speaker 1: they were all watching it at work and work, and
Speaker 1: I had just met all these people and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to and it was like so it was
Speaker 1: like this test of like and that a writer came
Speaker 1: out and he goes, what's going on? Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: were like and he's like, not cool, guys, not cool.
Speaker 1: Now that writer turns out is actually gay, but nobody knew.
Speaker 1: But I think that's interesting that it was like one
Speaker 1: game mail that was like, guys, that cool, this is
Speaker 1: like And is that the writer that left after after
Speaker 1: that season? After he was only um, he was only
Speaker 1: the first season. I believe I came in that I
Speaker 1: come in at the end of the first season, at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the second season. Yeah, that would make
Speaker 1: me want to run for the hills too, just like
Speaker 1: this is so And then just think about how far
Speaker 1: we've come that, like, how like aware everyone is of
Speaker 1: how unbelievably inappropriate that would have been. But I wonder
Speaker 1: if it still happens with young I mean we were
Speaker 1: of course it does, of course it does. I mean
Speaker 1: when you talk about, you know what happened with the
Speaker 1: writer on Friends, you know how they make us through
Speaker 1: the sexual harassment seminar every year at every studio, you know,
Speaker 1: for our friends at home, you have to do this
Speaker 1: seminar about what's appropriate communication. This has always existed and
Speaker 1: pre the Me two story breaking In every single year
Speaker 1: that I was working at NBC, we would do the
Speaker 1: sexual harassment seminar and they would say, and let us
Speaker 1: give you an example of what happens when a legal
Speaker 1: issue is risen. And they would give the example of
Speaker 1: the Friends writer talking about how the jokes about the
Speaker 1: sexually inappropriate jokes, the commentary about rape, and the and
Speaker 1: the racist commentary in the writer writer's room of that
Speaker 1: show made her feel very uncomfortable and a lot of
Speaker 1: it felt pointed at her. And then they would tell
Speaker 1: us about how she lost, how the network's lawyers beat
Speaker 1: her in court. So the exits it was no one's
Speaker 1: allowed to speak to you in ways that make you uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but if they do, will win. That was the messaging.
Speaker 1: And so when we talk about all of this and
Speaker 1: people say I think dumb, like, well, why didn't you
Speaker 1: just leave something? Yeah, first of all, as you said,
Speaker 1: so well, Anna, it never starts there. It starts everyone's cool.
Speaker 1: Everyone's nice. People take you under their wing, they tell
Speaker 1: you they're going to mentor you. They probably give you
Speaker 1: like a cool gift, like a nickname. And by the way,
Speaker 1: you were welcomed into a room where something very uncomfortable
Speaker 1: and inappropriate was happening, but someone in power stood up
Speaker 1: and said absolutely not. So you go, whoa, that was weird,
Speaker 1: But every they acknowledged it was weird and okay, we're
Speaker 1: going to move on from that. It's it's also incremental,
Speaker 1: and everything happens in all these shades of gray. It's
Speaker 1: rarely ever black and white. It's easy to have the
Speaker 1: black and white examples after the fact, but I think
Speaker 1: you know, when we ask what happens these days, this
Speaker 1: is why we talk about a diversity of a requirement
Speaker 1: really for a diversity of the people in power, because
Speaker 1: when there is more diversity in power positions, whether it's
Speaker 1: a corporate environment, a movie studio, creative industry, there's less harassment,
Speaker 1: less on happiness, more pay equity. Like the data tells
Speaker 1: us it's possible to change it, and it happens organically.
Speaker 1: You put it year old exactly show Yeah, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have felt like it was you against the whole machine.
Speaker 1: You know. The reality is if we want to build
Speaker 1: rooms that look more like the world, some of us
Speaker 1: have to go first. And like you got a group
Speaker 1: of women on this zoom who were all kind of
Speaker 1: first in that environment, and it sucked for all. But
Speaker 1: it's also unspoken thing about that too, is that you know,
Speaker 1: and this is what the friends thing she and she brought.
Speaker 1: You know that there's not just a hundred, there's a
Speaker 1: thousand people lined up to do your job. You are
Speaker 1: so privileged to be there, and you see the resumes
Speaker 1: coming off the thing. And even though you're the lowest
Speaker 1: person in the total pole, even though you're making point
Speaker 1: of the person who's doing the same thing, you know
Speaker 1: that people are lined up to happen. You're so lucky.
Speaker 1: You're like, you're replaceable. Is the drumbeat that I kept hearing.
Speaker 1: You're replaceable, replaceable, You're replaceable to Anna, do you want
Speaker 1: to spin a wheel with us and do most likely to? Yes? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we ought to. Let's see we got this week?
Speaker 1: So do you know this thing that we do on
Speaker 1: the show most likely too? I don't think I've seen
Speaker 1: Have I seen that? Oh? Yes? So we like, like
Speaker 1: you know, school superlatives, yearbook things. We pick a most
Speaker 1: likely to topic and then we have to pick a
Speaker 1: cast member and a character who fit the bill. So
Speaker 1: this week we have most likely to become a meme.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we were like pre memes to girl.
Speaker 1: There's so many like gifts and memes from this episode.
Speaker 1: So if you talked about it the top, there's like
Speaker 1: there's that famous shot of the three of us hugging
Speaker 1: at the end of the stage and then Hillary and
Speaker 1: her sunglasses and then the three of us doing the
Speaker 1: like high kicks at the end. I mean, honestly, is
Speaker 1: that is this the episode instead of a character? Is
Speaker 1: it episode three four and the month you become a meme?
Speaker 1: I think you did it. I think you wrote it.
Speaker 1: Queen meme. Here we have queen meme. And yeah, do
Speaker 1: you have a favorite one tree Hill gift or meme
Speaker 1: that you've seen floating around? Um, I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll have to go look and take
Speaker 1: a deep dive. That'll be fun. Yeah, Anna, thank you
Speaker 1: so so much. We'll talk more. And yeah, I'm glad
Speaker 1: that we're gonna begin this healing journey together. Me too.
Speaker 1: Of you guys. You wrote a kick ass episode. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. And yeah, just the beginning. Can't wait
Speaker 1: to them. Yeah, next time I love to read. They'll
Speaker 1: be fun. Okay, right, please do some next week. We
Speaker 1: have episode fift from season three. Just watch the fireworks.
Speaker 1: I feel like that was heron's drows sweet. Well, there
Speaker 1: are dudes alright for games and chat. One are the teams?
Speaker 1: All right? Allays, all right, we'll see so all right, Hey,
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