WEBVTT - Episode 10: Folk Art with Ted Wright 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.480 Welcome to episode ten Double Digits my friends of my 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:11.200 podcast gegeging Out. Every episode, I invite a new person 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.000 to talk about one thing that they're obsessed with that 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.400 has nothing to do with their job. The only requirement 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:19.760 is that they're totally geeking out on it and they 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.640 want to talk about it. From homemade rock pens, two 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.239 jello coverage, slipping slides from retro mint julip cups, to 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:31.040 sidewalk chalk guard from breakfast club costplayed to video game marathons, 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.120 tell me what you love, why you love it, how 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.960 you got into it, and what makes it awesome. Each 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.159 episode is presented in three chapters. In chapter one, my 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.760 guest and I will have a conversation about their passion. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.080 In chapter two, we play a game I call trade Jo, 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.560 where my guest and I turn each other onto something 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.159 cool we've recently discovered. And in chapter three, I closed 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.440 the show by talking about music that I am currently 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:59.440 geeked out on and why I believe that curiosity is 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.360 contagious us and that life is better with the soundtrack. 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:08.840 So let the geeking begin. Chapter one. Today's guest is 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:21.200 Ted right now. Ted is a word of mouth marketing 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.840 guru and founder of Fizz Marketing, who lives here in Atlanta. 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:27.920 We met at a play group when our kids were 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.280 much smaller than they are now, and we became friends 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.959 because we were the only two dads in the group. 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.240 When he came over to my recording studio to tape 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:41.320 this episode, I assumed he wanted to talk about R. E. M. 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.840 Because he is one of the few people I know 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.480 who is a bigger fan of that band than I am. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.880 But in fact he had something even cooler in mind. 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:57.480 Enjoy ted right, how are you, my friend, I'm good Christian? 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.800 How are you? I'm great, Welcome to the podcast. Thank you. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:02.640 I like I have a squeaky chair if you can 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:07.720 hear it, that's his your famous Tell me where we are? Um, 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.440 we are here in lovely Decatur, Georgia, in your cool 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.920 ass but secret a little studio that you have hidden 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.120 down here. I like that. It sounds a little bit 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.600 like a bat cave. That's nice. It is, It's super cool. 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:21.120 That would be cool if it was a bat cave. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.800 We can put this actually underground. Yes, yes, I have 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:26.080 to tell you about the house that I went and 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.560 saw this guy spend forty million dollars and he built 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.720 a bat cave. Yeah, a real bat cave. It's a 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.320 little north of the city. Crazy for here in Ata, 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.280 here in Atlanta. UM. He spent a very long time 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.360 with it. It's ridiculous, but he the drive in he 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.040 actually has a fake waterfall and when you go up 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.320 the driveway his little clicker, the water stops flowing, the 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:51.560 garage door goes up and you drive in. Click. I 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:53.919 was like, I want forty million dollars because I want 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.079 a bat cave. It'd be great. I love it. So 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:02.200 welcome to the podcast. Thank you Geeking Out. So I 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:03.920 know the rules have been explained, but I'll say them 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:05.440 one more time just to get them in your head 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.720 so that they hold their um. What I want to 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.560 do is I want to talk to you about something 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:17.320 that you are completely into, obsessed with deep diving on 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:22.320 that has nothing to do with your job. Okay, okay. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.240 So first that that does is it beckons that you 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.760 must describe your job. So what do you do for 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:33.079 a living? So I run a marketing company that specializes 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.720 in word of mouth marketing, which is basically getting people 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.600 in North America UH to talk to their friends about 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.320 things that they think are cool. Okay, so that's basically 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:49.160 like the Internet. It is right, it is the Internet, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.640 except it's most of that work is face to face, 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:56.400 so that's without really technology. It's it's it's how would 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:00.000 I know? I've been word of mouth marketed to um 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.280 so you wouldn't know by that. But you've got a 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:06.080 friend who loves to talk to you about restaurants they love, 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.400 or movies or great music, and they come to you 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.040 because they know you like restaurants, movies, or music, and 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.200 they say some version of hey, I know this about you, 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.960 I know this about this thing. You should totally get together. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.599 And here's why. And it's the way the humans have 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.240 been communicating and sharing stories with each other for at 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.039 least a couple of thousand years. It just happens to 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.640 be that in America we live in now, most people 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.840 don't believe the companies or brands tell the truth and 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.400 they're advertising, but they're still trust their friends. So this 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.760 is a really really great way to share stories about things. 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.360 And it's how bands grow. It's how brands grow. It's 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.559 how why you buy one pair of shoes versus another. 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.680 It's it's got a fun that's super cool. Okay, So um, 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.960 you're we've been friends for for a while now. Just 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.200 a full disclosure to the people out into the world. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:05:00.760 And our relationship is one in which are firstborns. Uh. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.520 Children were in the same play group together. That's true 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.440 way back when, right, yeah, they were like three. Yeah, 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.159 And I remember I remember looking across the yard being 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.240 what I thought I would be the only man there 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.280 because you know, I had a job being an artist, 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:18.200 and so what was another guy doing here? And that 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.520 was you? So we met there and so the world 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.000 when you close your eyes here and imagine us here 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.080 indicator Georgia uh. Ted and I've known each other for 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:29.680 a while, but I really have no idea what you're 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.599 about to say of what it is you're totally into, 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.600 so tell me. Yeah, that is true. So hello America. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.360 So Christians like, Hey, come over and I've got three 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.920 questions and we're gonna do it on tape and I'm 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.400 gonna show to everybody. So I did not know what 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.200 the questions for it until you all listening also heard 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:52.680 so very fun. Um ask me again, Christian, Okay, what 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.320 is it that you are totally geeking out on that 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.520 it has nothing to do with your job? So a 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.239 thing that brings me just rate joy. These days, UM 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:06.360 is wandering around the world of folk art. Folk art, 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.440 folk art so just okay. So for all you don't know, 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.520 his whole forehead just rembled like I wasn't thinking. That's 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:19.240 what folk art, so f o lk art folk car 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.680 okay so also known as outsider art. Back in the day, 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.640 it used to be known as art brute if you 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.400 were French, or art of the insane, because there were 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.920 a lot of people in insane asylums and prisons that 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:33.839 didn't everything else to do. And it turns out that 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:37.479 they were artists and they would produced pieces. So I 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.800 first got in touch with outsider art, with folk art 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.599 um when I was a boy scout. So in northern Georgia. 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.960 We were coming back and there was a guy in 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:53.200 a place UM called Somerville, Georgia, and he needed help 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.520 UM digging out a ditch that had gotten filled up 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.839 with like cat tails and so. And that person his 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.440 name was Howard Finster, and the reverend or the Reverend 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:07.400 Howard Finster, and so Reverend Finster. UM was this man 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:11.800 and he um, God talked to him, he thought God 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.200 talked to him. Whatever, don't know it wasn't there, and 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.440 he decided he would do paintings. And so he took 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.400 his front yard and he created and made something that 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.560 he referred to his paradise garden. And so he drew 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:28.000 and wrote and painted just how he felt he should 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.800 be doing this. And what is so amazing to me 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.080 about folk artists and do this is that some are trained, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:35.880 and most of them are not trained. Most of them 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:37.880 just pick up appresh and like, oh, this is kind 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.800 of fun. But when you see their pieces, it's so 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.920 obvious that if they don't express themselves and get this 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.960 out on canvas, their heads going to explode. And you 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.960 can just feel, I mean, you're a you're a singer songwriter. 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.120 You know, people are like, look, if I'm not singing, 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.560 I'm dying a little bit on the inside. Like I 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.840 have to write this song down even if I don't 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.040 are using, even if no one ever hears it. If 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.960 I I'm doing this for me. So there's a whole 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.760 bunch of artists, and it's interestingly a lot of people 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.080 were in the American South. Um also there's some Midwestern 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.320 and there's some California, but they're all sort of very 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.520 different and and they just do this art because they 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:21.880 have to. And the first time I saw a Fenster piece, 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.320 Um a band that I know you and I both 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:29.280 greatly greatly enjoy UM Howard Finser their album cover because 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:33.440 Michael Stipe saw some fence to work because where Reverend 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.480 Finster lived was not too far from Athens, and they'd 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.360 seen each other, and he was kind of famous in 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.880 the in the very early eighties late seventies of the 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.839 art worlds kind of find him, and I totally remember 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.880 seeing that album of Government, going oh, that's pretty cool. 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.680 And then over over time I saw different pieces that 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.280 he had done and I was like, Wow, this is 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.360 really interesting. And I've always liked art. So do you 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.679 remember when we were growing up, remember those Richard Scary 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:59.000 books with all the there're all the little animals that 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.960 like drove the little sucks around, like the inch worm 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.800 was the fireman, and there were always in every illustration 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.160 there was like twenty thousand things going on there. So 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.360 a lot of outsider art has a lot of little 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.880 tiny details all over it. In my A d d 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.640 Addull brain, I really like like lots of different stimulus, 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.720 and I like lots of different things going on. So 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.600 about five years ago, you know, I had a couple 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.200 of extra dollars, you know, in my pockets. So I said, 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:31.840 I'm gonna buy Howard Finster piece. And so for me, 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.280 like I just I'm going to go buy one. And 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.800 so I talked to some people, and it's kind of 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.240 hard to find his work. Reverend Fencer has now passed 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:44.360 and some of his like extraordinarily expensive. Um So somebody 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.200 told him at about this auction that actually happens once 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.280 a year and it is the greatest art auction in 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.680 the world and it is for for folk art and 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.640 outsider art and it is in but for Georgia. Actually 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:57.920 it was just this weekend and it is literally in 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.760 a shock and this guy ends it up twice a 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.360 year and it is it's like a garage sale for 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:05.800 every artist you've ever seen in this genre. And it 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.120 is craziness. And so there was this Finster piece that 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.800 somebody had dropped and they were gonna cut it up. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.240 They dropped it on the ground and had broken in half. 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.880 Reverend Finster didn't paint on canvas. He painted on stuff 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.559 that he just found on the street. Or so this 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.760 is a piece of like old dry wall that he 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.080 had done this great painting on and then somebody had 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.240 dropped it, so it kind of broken in half, has 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.719 had a big section missing, and somebody said, oh, we're 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:33.640 just gonna cut this up and make key chains out 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.199 of it, and I said, you are not. And they 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:39.600 were like, oh, what's going on? Who are you? And 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.920 I introduced myself. I said, if you put in the auction, 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.760 I promised that I will um that I will bid 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.720 on it. And nobody wanted what was basically the art 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.400 version of a piece of trash. And it was beautiful 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.360 and wonderful to me, and so about it for like 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.160 eight hundred bucks. And that was the first Finster piece 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.040 and it still hangs in my office and it is 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.120 not the most lovely thing that has ever come down 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.400 the pike, but I love it. And so from there 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.640 I've kind of taken off in My wife is, you know, 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.640 kind of come along with me, and so we've broken 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.560 out into sort of professional artists that will sell you stuff, 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.880 but also people who do busking on the street or 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:20.240 even or panhandling. Sometimes they make signs in order to 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.679 um basically announce what they're raising money for or what 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.680 they're doing or explaining about their lives. And so now 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:33.080 I traveled a lot for my job, not quite as 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.679 much as you do, Christian, but you know enough. And 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.400 so now I travel always with a ten dollar bill 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.960 wrapped around two sharpie pens with a rubber band, and 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.560 I buy people who are buskers or who are you know, 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.000 asking for money on the street. I buy their signs 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.160 from them for ten dollars and two sharpies because you 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.240 can always find something, Yeah, you can always find something 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.080 to write on which you can always find something to 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.880 write with, and they're always glad that you know, a 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.920 people are glad to sell their sign for ten dollars. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.080 And I so this is a sign that maybe they're 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.319 holding up at this side of the road when you're 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:12.640 at the exit, like I'm on ramp to here. Sometimes 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.280 it is and sometimes it is I'm a musician and 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.880 this is what I'm doing. And sometimes it's you know whatever. 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.000 And I don't buy them all, but if somebody is, 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.400 you know, just very intent about what they're doing, or 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.640 they've taken a time and they're doodles all over the place. 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.880 So I have one that says, you know, help, I'm 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:35.040 raising ransom and I'm nine cents short, and I I 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.320 read I totally remember right. I walked by the sky 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.640 was in San Francisco, and I walked by him and 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.880 I thought about the sign. I turned around, I said 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.400 how much for the sign? And it's the first one 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.120 I ever bought. And so we negotiate a little bit 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.120 because you have fifty bucks and I was like no, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.200 and I walked away and he's like, in so ten 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.200 bucks and he was very happy to sell it, and 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.280 to which I was. Then I took in my hand 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.320 and I walked back to my hotel and this guy. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.280 I get like two streets down and this guy comes 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.080 up to hand me a dollar. It's this tough day, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.040 and I was looking at him because he looked like 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.240 I was I was panhandler, but I was because because 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.680 I had to sign in my hand. So so now 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.560 we have a So I have kind of this collection. 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.560 And what what is interesting to me is that art 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:23.080 is everywhere and you can see art, and so that 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.600 has kind of led me into an interest again. Because 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.040 I travel a lot, I also take pictures of street art, 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.240 and so particularly if I'm in somewhere, it's a completely 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.720 strange time zone for me. So instead of being noon, 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:37.000 it's midnight, so my timing is all messed up. So 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:41.560 I sometimes in strange places like Paris or whatever, I'll 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.199 go take a bus or a train way out into 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.840 the middle of nowhere, uh, you know, right out at 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.240 way onto the bourbs and where a lot of artists live, 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.440 and I'll just go early morning shoot stuff, you know, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.640 take pictures up. Now you're talking about graffiti. Are you 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.520 talking about the art that they're painting while they're on 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.839 the street. Is it like so and and so that 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.199 to lovely for those of you are listening her superendu 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.360 street ar is like, now we're gonna start the different 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.440 I'm curious. So there's a there's a whole fight, like 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.280 what is country music? So that could be like whatever 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.240 that is. But but for me, graffiti is more about 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:21.120 tagging or making a political statement. And on street art 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:25.200 sometimes people just love to go paint a beautiful thing 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:29.760 somewhere and it has morphed into their people that professionally 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.600 paint murals. But there's also people that are artists that 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.000 want everybody to see their art, but they don't really 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:37.800 have a place to show it where that many people 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.040 can see it, So they climb on top of the building. 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.760 They just painted up there and then they walk down 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.800 and they leave it for everybody. And what is amazing 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.680 is you see these works out and you're like, you know, 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.920 anybody could come by at any point and just paint 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.120 over that. So you're putting all this effort, You're putting 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.800 all this work. Sometimes you're gonna see your putting all 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.400 this emotion, all this thought into this, and it could 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.480 be gone tomorro And so I think that's also kind 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.520 of interesting that you love something so much that it 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:10.000 doesn't matter that it disappeared tomorrow or that it has 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.240 no economic value to you. You just have to go 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.479 do this thing. So do you feel like a voyor 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.760 when you do this? Is are you like? What are 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.160 you getting off of this? Is it? Is it moving 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.120 energy into you? Just say, look, I'm looking at someone 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:30.800 super express and I love watching that. So I think. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.520 So I've watched a couple of people. I think where 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.240 I get out of it is I get I think 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:40.600 it's so fun that somebody else loves something so much 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.440 that they're just gonna go do it. I mean, you 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:49.000 and I both have careers where it's not really this 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.280 is not the really straight path to you know, even 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.840 being able to afford anything much less riches than fame. 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:56.840 There's a lot of people that do what we do 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.920 that never really you know, make it, so it's highly risky. 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.320 So I also I also think it's kind of fun 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.000 that people went out and did something just because they 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.760 wanted to and it didn't matter if nobody else understood. 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.280 It's like, if this is for me, then I'm gonna 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:17.120 go do this and not consequences be damned. Because that's 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.080 a little bit you know, it's a little bit angry. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.240 But like, look, I mean, you know, a little Tom 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.040 Petty there, you know, damn the torpedoes full speed ahead. 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.320 R I p Tom because so sad when he passed 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.640 such tough anyway back to art or deact to that 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.520 kind of art. That was what I think is so interesting. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.800 I just really am fascinated by people who love something 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.680 so much that they are just compelled to do this. 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:45.920 Have you have you branched out past Finster? Soody? Are 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:50.560 you starting to collect other folk art people? And how 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:55.360 deep are you? So? Huh, So it depends on who 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.560 you ask. Um, we're kind of running out of wall 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.760 space at the house, so unfortunately owned the office building 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.760 built tiny office building there in so it's also kind 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.399 of spilling over into that. Um. But we're you know, 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.920 we're trying to keep it under the you know, we're 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:12.760 trying to keep it, keep it okay, We're not going 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.159 to be weird about it. Also, you know, there's so 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.000 I watched sometimes, I watched this TV show called American Pickers, 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.960 and you know, people sometimes they go from collecting to hoarding, 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.760 and I'm not really sure again where the line is 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.800 between that. So I'm not like the guy in Philadelphia 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.919 who loved impressionistic guard whose last name was Barnes, and 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.080 so he just covered walls with every painting he possibly 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.720 could get fined. And because he was the right place 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.840 at the right time, he bought some beautiful stuff, but 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.359 he'd run out of space on the wall, so he started, 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.720 you know, nailing stuff to the ceilings and yeah, oh yeah. 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.280 The Barnes collection is really famous. That's the one that 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.520 Um in his will, he left all the money to 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.479 take care of everything, but he said you couldn't move 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.719 any paintings from where they were. And then they had 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.760 a roof leak and they were literally undreds of millions 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.520 of dollars of paintings that by law, because of the 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.719 way the will was written and how wills are enforced, 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.600 they could move them, and they had to get a 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.200 judge to basically adjudicate whether or not they could take 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:16.320 these things out from where there. Oh yeah, yeah, So anyway, 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.080 so people who sometimes collect art, so it's it's fun 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.560 to think we collect art. I don't think Christine and 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.760 I Christine is my wife. I don't think Christine and 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.800 I are art collectors because I don't know evenna know 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:28.840 who those people are, except you know, you see about 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.080 him in movies or read about them. But I do 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.560 think that we go out and we see things and 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.600 it doesn't matter if they cost some a little bit 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.480 of money or a lot. So Christine and I we 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.000 really buy the art, and I buy my the art 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.560 that I love just because we love it. So I 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.640 probably right now have as many fensters as I need 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.479 right this second. Although I did see one the other day. 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.000 I was like, oh, but I just the last that 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.360 the last one I bought. He had painted on one 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:01.360 of those old school um windows, remember those storm windows 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.480 with a little two aluminum things that you pressed and 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.919 raised up. Yes, so he painted a beautiful work on 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:10.399 the glass of one of those, so it's easily broken 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.879 and really hard to display. And so of course I 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.679 bought it because it was a crazy piece that was 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.640 haunting me, and so I bought it. And then Christine 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:21.000 is like, what are we gonna do with this? And 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.280 I was like, we're gonna find a framer who's willing 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:24.880 to take on the challenge of doing this, and we're 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:26.919 going to take it. We're gonna display it, and if 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:28.639 it gets broken, then we're gonna pick up the glass 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.040 pieces and put them back together if we can, or 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:32.720 we'll do something else. But that's what we're gonna do, 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:34.520 because this is a piece that everyone needs. And now 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.520 it hangs by the back door in our house, so 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.040 my fourteen year old and all of his friends just 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.239 like run by it every day and kick off their 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.360 shoes and like hey, and I don't know if they 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.280 notice it, but every day I walk in and it 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:51.320 makes me smile. That's awesome. If I was trying to 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:57.719 get into this, how would I start get into art 0:19:57.840 --> 0:19:59.919 or get into folk art, get into folk art. If 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.840 was trying to get into folk art, how would I start? 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:05.679 Like where would you point me? Is it like a website. 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:09.679 Is it a thought? Is it a do I have 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:14.320 to type in folk art into Google and see what happens? Like, 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.639 help help me get in if if someone's listening to this, 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.280 all right, So for those who listening, so as you want, 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:20.680 like we'll come over the house and let me show 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:24.840 you something that America. Come on over. Christian will send 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.959 you the address. It's great. Um, I think you know, 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.879 for me, it's just about exploration. So I think I 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.120 would go to my local museum and I would look 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.280 at say, hey, have you got any folk art I 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.520 can look at? If this sounded really interesting to you, 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.240 I mean, the interwebs or is an awesome place, and 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:44.760 certainly if you do folk art and you can find 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:48.040 a list of folk artists. Um. There is a great museum, 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:53.880 little shop, nonprofit organization in Chicago that I have been 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.439 into before. They have thirty or forty pieces there that 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.240 are amazing if you like this kind of thing. I mean, 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.960