Speaker 1: Welcome to episode ten Double Digits my friends of my
Speaker 1: podcast gegeging Out. Every episode, I invite a new person
Speaker 1: to talk about one thing that they're obsessed with that
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with their job. The only requirement
Speaker 1: is that they're totally geeking out on it and they
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. From homemade rock pens, two
Speaker 1: jello coverage, slipping slides from retro mint julip cups, to
Speaker 1: sidewalk chalk guard from breakfast club costplayed to video game marathons,
Speaker 1: tell me what you love, why you love it, how
Speaker 1: you got into it, and what makes it awesome. Each
Speaker 1: episode is presented in three chapters. In chapter one, my
Speaker 1: guest and I will have a conversation about their passion.
Speaker 1: In chapter two, we play a game I call trade Jo,
Speaker 1: where my guest and I turn each other onto something
Speaker 1: cool we've recently discovered. And in chapter three, I closed
Speaker 1: the show by talking about music that I am currently
Speaker 1: geeked out on and why I believe that curiosity is
Speaker 1: contagious us and that life is better with the soundtrack.
Speaker 1: So let the geeking begin. Chapter one. Today's guest is
Speaker 1: Ted right now. Ted is a word of mouth marketing
Speaker 1: guru and founder of Fizz Marketing, who lives here in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: We met at a play group when our kids were
Speaker 1: much smaller than they are now, and we became friends
Speaker 1: because we were the only two dads in the group.
Speaker 1: When he came over to my recording studio to tape
Speaker 1: this episode, I assumed he wanted to talk about R. E. M.
Speaker 1: Because he is one of the few people I know
Speaker 1: who is a bigger fan of that band than I am.
Speaker 1: But in fact he had something even cooler in mind.
Speaker 1: Enjoy ted right, how are you, my friend, I'm good Christian?
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm great, Welcome to the podcast. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I like I have a squeaky chair if you can
Speaker 1: hear it, that's his your famous Tell me where we are? Um,
Speaker 1: we are here in lovely Decatur, Georgia, in your cool
Speaker 1: ass but secret a little studio that you have hidden
Speaker 1: down here. I like that. It sounds a little bit
Speaker 1: like a bat cave. That's nice. It is, It's super cool.
Speaker 1: That would be cool if it was a bat cave.
Speaker 1: We can put this actually underground. Yes, yes, I have
Speaker 1: to tell you about the house that I went and
Speaker 1: saw this guy spend forty million dollars and he built
Speaker 1: a bat cave. Yeah, a real bat cave. It's a
Speaker 1: little north of the city. Crazy for here in Ata,
Speaker 1: here in Atlanta. UM. He spent a very long time
Speaker 1: with it. It's ridiculous, but he the drive in he
Speaker 1: actually has a fake waterfall and when you go up
Speaker 1: the driveway his little clicker, the water stops flowing, the
Speaker 1: garage door goes up and you drive in. Click. I
Speaker 1: was like, I want forty million dollars because I want
Speaker 1: a bat cave. It'd be great. I love it. So
Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. Thank you Geeking Out. So I
Speaker 1: know the rules have been explained, but I'll say them
Speaker 1: one more time just to get them in your head
Speaker 1: so that they hold their um. What I want to
Speaker 1: do is I want to talk to you about something
Speaker 1: that you are completely into, obsessed with deep diving on
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with your job. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So first that that does is it beckons that you
Speaker 1: must describe your job. So what do you do for
Speaker 1: a living? So I run a marketing company that specializes
Speaker 1: in word of mouth marketing, which is basically getting people
Speaker 1: in North America UH to talk to their friends about
Speaker 1: things that they think are cool. Okay, so that's basically
Speaker 1: like the Internet. It is right, it is the Internet,
Speaker 1: except it's most of that work is face to face,
Speaker 1: so that's without really technology. It's it's it's how would
Speaker 1: I know? I've been word of mouth marketed to um
Speaker 1: so you wouldn't know by that. But you've got a
Speaker 1: friend who loves to talk to you about restaurants they love,
Speaker 1: or movies or great music, and they come to you
Speaker 1: because they know you like restaurants, movies, or music, and
Speaker 1: they say some version of hey, I know this about you,
Speaker 1: I know this about this thing. You should totally get together.
Speaker 1: And here's why. And it's the way the humans have
Speaker 1: been communicating and sharing stories with each other for at
Speaker 1: least a couple of thousand years. It just happens to
Speaker 1: be that in America we live in now, most people
Speaker 1: don't believe the companies or brands tell the truth and
Speaker 1: they're advertising, but they're still trust their friends. So this
Speaker 1: is a really really great way to share stories about things.
Speaker 1: And it's how bands grow. It's how brands grow. It's
Speaker 1: how why you buy one pair of shoes versus another.
Speaker 1: It's it's got a fun that's super cool. Okay, So um,
Speaker 1: you're we've been friends for for a while now. Just
Speaker 1: a full disclosure to the people out into the world.
Speaker 1: And our relationship is one in which are firstborns. Uh.
Speaker 1: Children were in the same play group together. That's true
Speaker 1: way back when, right, yeah, they were like three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I remember I remember looking across the yard being
Speaker 1: what I thought I would be the only man there
Speaker 1: because you know, I had a job being an artist,
Speaker 1: and so what was another guy doing here? And that
Speaker 1: was you? So we met there and so the world
Speaker 1: when you close your eyes here and imagine us here
Speaker 1: indicator Georgia uh. Ted and I've known each other for
Speaker 1: a while, but I really have no idea what you're
Speaker 1: about to say of what it is you're totally into,
Speaker 1: so tell me. Yeah, that is true. So hello America.
Speaker 1: So Christians like, Hey, come over and I've got three
Speaker 1: questions and we're gonna do it on tape and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna show to everybody. So I did not know what
Speaker 1: the questions for it until you all listening also heard
Speaker 1: so very fun. Um ask me again, Christian, Okay, what
Speaker 1: is it that you are totally geeking out on that
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with your job? So a
Speaker 1: thing that brings me just rate joy. These days, UM
Speaker 1: is wandering around the world of folk art. Folk art,
Speaker 1: folk art so just okay. So for all you don't know,
Speaker 1: his whole forehead just rembled like I wasn't thinking. That's
Speaker 1: what folk art, so f o lk art folk car
Speaker 1: okay so also known as outsider art. Back in the day,
Speaker 1: it used to be known as art brute if you
Speaker 1: were French, or art of the insane, because there were
Speaker 1: a lot of people in insane asylums and prisons that
Speaker 1: didn't everything else to do. And it turns out that
Speaker 1: they were artists and they would produced pieces. So I
Speaker 1: first got in touch with outsider art, with folk art
Speaker 1: um when I was a boy scout. So in northern Georgia.
Speaker 1: We were coming back and there was a guy in
Speaker 1: a place UM called Somerville, Georgia, and he needed help
Speaker 1: UM digging out a ditch that had gotten filled up
Speaker 1: with like cat tails and so. And that person his
Speaker 1: name was Howard Finster, and the reverend or the Reverend
Speaker 1: Howard Finster, and so Reverend Finster. UM was this man
Speaker 1: and he um, God talked to him, he thought God
Speaker 1: talked to him. Whatever, don't know it wasn't there, and
Speaker 1: he decided he would do paintings. And so he took
Speaker 1: his front yard and he created and made something that
Speaker 1: he referred to his paradise garden. And so he drew
Speaker 1: and wrote and painted just how he felt he should
Speaker 1: be doing this. And what is so amazing to me
Speaker 1: about folk artists and do this is that some are trained,
Speaker 1: and most of them are not trained. Most of them
Speaker 1: just pick up appresh and like, oh, this is kind
Speaker 1: of fun. But when you see their pieces, it's so
Speaker 1: obvious that if they don't express themselves and get this
Speaker 1: out on canvas, their heads going to explode. And you
Speaker 1: can just feel, I mean, you're a you're a singer songwriter.
Speaker 1: You know, people are like, look, if I'm not singing,
Speaker 1: I'm dying a little bit on the inside. Like I
Speaker 1: have to write this song down even if I don't
Speaker 1: are using, even if no one ever hears it. If
Speaker 1: I I'm doing this for me. So there's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of artists, and it's interestingly a lot of people
Speaker 1: were in the American South. Um also there's some Midwestern
Speaker 1: and there's some California, but they're all sort of very
Speaker 1: different and and they just do this art because they
Speaker 1: have to. And the first time I saw a Fenster piece,
Speaker 1: Um a band that I know you and I both
Speaker 1: greatly greatly enjoy UM Howard Finser their album cover because
Speaker 1: Michael Stipe saw some fence to work because where Reverend
Speaker 1: Finster lived was not too far from Athens, and they'd
Speaker 1: seen each other, and he was kind of famous in
Speaker 1: the in the very early eighties late seventies of the
Speaker 1: art worlds kind of find him, and I totally remember
Speaker 1: seeing that album of Government, going oh, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And then over over time I saw different pieces that
Speaker 1: he had done and I was like, Wow, this is
Speaker 1: really interesting. And I've always liked art. So do you
Speaker 1: remember when we were growing up, remember those Richard Scary
Speaker 1: books with all the there're all the little animals that
Speaker 1: like drove the little sucks around, like the inch worm
Speaker 1: was the fireman, and there were always in every illustration
Speaker 1: there was like twenty thousand things going on there. So
Speaker 1: a lot of outsider art has a lot of little
Speaker 1: tiny details all over it. In my A d d
Speaker 1: Addull brain, I really like like lots of different stimulus,
Speaker 1: and I like lots of different things going on. So
Speaker 1: about five years ago, you know, I had a couple
Speaker 1: of extra dollars, you know, in my pockets. So I said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy Howard Finster piece. And so for me,
Speaker 1: like I just I'm going to go buy one. And
Speaker 1: so I talked to some people, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to find his work. Reverend Fencer has now passed
Speaker 1: and some of his like extraordinarily expensive. Um So somebody
Speaker 1: told him at about this auction that actually happens once
Speaker 1: a year and it is the greatest art auction in
Speaker 1: the world and it is for for folk art and
Speaker 1: outsider art and it is in but for Georgia. Actually
Speaker 1: it was just this weekend and it is literally in
Speaker 1: a shock and this guy ends it up twice a
Speaker 1: year and it is it's like a garage sale for
Speaker 1: every artist you've ever seen in this genre. And it
Speaker 1: is craziness. And so there was this Finster piece that
Speaker 1: somebody had dropped and they were gonna cut it up.
Speaker 1: They dropped it on the ground and had broken in half.
Speaker 1: Reverend Finster didn't paint on canvas. He painted on stuff
Speaker 1: that he just found on the street. Or so this
Speaker 1: is a piece of like old dry wall that he
Speaker 1: had done this great painting on and then somebody had
Speaker 1: dropped it, so it kind of broken in half, has
Speaker 1: had a big section missing, and somebody said, oh, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna cut this up and make key chains out
Speaker 1: of it, and I said, you are not. And they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, what's going on? Who are you? And
Speaker 1: I introduced myself. I said, if you put in the auction,
Speaker 1: I promised that I will um that I will bid
Speaker 1: on it. And nobody wanted what was basically the art
Speaker 1: version of a piece of trash. And it was beautiful
Speaker 1: and wonderful to me, and so about it for like
Speaker 1: eight hundred bucks. And that was the first Finster piece
Speaker 1: and it still hangs in my office and it is
Speaker 1: not the most lovely thing that has ever come down
Speaker 1: the pike, but I love it. And so from there
Speaker 1: I've kind of taken off in My wife is, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of come along with me, and so we've broken
Speaker 1: out into sort of professional artists that will sell you stuff,
Speaker 1: but also people who do busking on the street or
Speaker 1: even or panhandling. Sometimes they make signs in order to
Speaker 1: um basically announce what they're raising money for or what
Speaker 1: they're doing or explaining about their lives. And so now
Speaker 1: I traveled a lot for my job, not quite as
Speaker 1: much as you do, Christian, but you know enough. And
Speaker 1: so now I travel always with a ten dollar bill
Speaker 1: wrapped around two sharpie pens with a rubber band, and
Speaker 1: I buy people who are buskers or who are you know,
Speaker 1: asking for money on the street. I buy their signs
Speaker 1: from them for ten dollars and two sharpies because you
Speaker 1: can always find something, Yeah, you can always find something
Speaker 1: to write on which you can always find something to
Speaker 1: write with, and they're always glad that you know, a
Speaker 1: people are glad to sell their sign for ten dollars.
Speaker 1: And I so this is a sign that maybe they're
Speaker 1: holding up at this side of the road when you're
Speaker 1: at the exit, like I'm on ramp to here. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it is and sometimes it is I'm a musician and
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. And sometimes it's you know whatever.
Speaker 1: And I don't buy them all, but if somebody is,
Speaker 1: you know, just very intent about what they're doing, or
Speaker 1: they've taken a time and they're doodles all over the place.
Speaker 1: So I have one that says, you know, help, I'm
Speaker 1: raising ransom and I'm nine cents short, and I I
Speaker 1: read I totally remember right. I walked by the sky
Speaker 1: was in San Francisco, and I walked by him and
Speaker 1: I thought about the sign. I turned around, I said
Speaker 1: how much for the sign? And it's the first one
Speaker 1: I ever bought. And so we negotiate a little bit
Speaker 1: because you have fifty bucks and I was like no,
Speaker 1: and I walked away and he's like, in so ten
Speaker 1: bucks and he was very happy to sell it, and
Speaker 1: to which I was. Then I took in my hand
Speaker 1: and I walked back to my hotel and this guy.
Speaker 1: I get like two streets down and this guy comes
Speaker 1: up to hand me a dollar. It's this tough day,
Speaker 1: and I was looking at him because he looked like
Speaker 1: I was I was panhandler, but I was because because
Speaker 1: I had to sign in my hand. So so now
Speaker 1: we have a So I have kind of this collection.
Speaker 1: And what what is interesting to me is that art
Speaker 1: is everywhere and you can see art, and so that
Speaker 1: has kind of led me into an interest again. Because
Speaker 1: I travel a lot, I also take pictures of street art,
Speaker 1: and so particularly if I'm in somewhere, it's a completely
Speaker 1: strange time zone for me. So instead of being noon,
Speaker 1: it's midnight, so my timing is all messed up. So
Speaker 1: I sometimes in strange places like Paris or whatever, I'll
Speaker 1: go take a bus or a train way out into
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, uh, you know, right out at
Speaker 1: way onto the bourbs and where a lot of artists live,
Speaker 1: and I'll just go early morning shoot stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: take pictures up. Now you're talking about graffiti. Are you
Speaker 1: talking about the art that they're painting while they're on
Speaker 1: the street. Is it like so and and so that
Speaker 1: to lovely for those of you are listening her superendu
Speaker 1: street ar is like, now we're gonna start the different
Speaker 1: I'm curious. So there's a there's a whole fight, like
Speaker 1: what is country music? So that could be like whatever
Speaker 1: that is. But but for me, graffiti is more about
Speaker 1: tagging or making a political statement. And on street art
Speaker 1: sometimes people just love to go paint a beautiful thing
Speaker 1: somewhere and it has morphed into their people that professionally
Speaker 1: paint murals. But there's also people that are artists that
Speaker 1: want everybody to see their art, but they don't really
Speaker 1: have a place to show it where that many people
Speaker 1: can see it, So they climb on top of the building.
Speaker 1: They just painted up there and then they walk down
Speaker 1: and they leave it for everybody. And what is amazing
Speaker 1: is you see these works out and you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: anybody could come by at any point and just paint
Speaker 1: over that. So you're putting all this effort, You're putting
Speaker 1: all this work. Sometimes you're gonna see your putting all
Speaker 1: this emotion, all this thought into this, and it could
Speaker 1: be gone tomorro And so I think that's also kind
Speaker 1: of interesting that you love something so much that it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that it disappeared tomorrow or that it has
Speaker 1: no economic value to you. You just have to go
Speaker 1: do this thing. So do you feel like a voyor
Speaker 1: when you do this? Is are you like? What are
Speaker 1: you getting off of this? Is it? Is it moving
Speaker 1: energy into you? Just say, look, I'm looking at someone
Speaker 1: super express and I love watching that. So I think.
Speaker 1: So I've watched a couple of people. I think where
Speaker 1: I get out of it is I get I think
Speaker 1: it's so fun that somebody else loves something so much
Speaker 1: that they're just gonna go do it. I mean, you
Speaker 1: and I both have careers where it's not really this
Speaker 1: is not the really straight path to you know, even
Speaker 1: being able to afford anything much less riches than fame.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that do what we do
Speaker 1: that never really you know, make it, so it's highly risky.
Speaker 1: So I also I also think it's kind of fun
Speaker 1: that people went out and did something just because they
Speaker 1: wanted to and it didn't matter if nobody else understood.
Speaker 1: It's like, if this is for me, then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go do this and not consequences be damned. Because that's
Speaker 1: a little bit you know, it's a little bit angry.
Speaker 1: But like, look, I mean, you know, a little Tom
Speaker 1: Petty there, you know, damn the torpedoes full speed ahead.
Speaker 1: R I p Tom because so sad when he passed
Speaker 1: such tough anyway back to art or deact to that
Speaker 1: kind of art. That was what I think is so interesting.
Speaker 1: I just really am fascinated by people who love something
Speaker 1: so much that they are just compelled to do this.
Speaker 1: Have you have you branched out past Finster? Soody? Are
Speaker 1: you starting to collect other folk art people? And how
Speaker 1: deep are you? So? Huh, So it depends on who
Speaker 1: you ask. Um, we're kind of running out of wall
Speaker 1: space at the house, so unfortunately owned the office building
Speaker 1: built tiny office building there in so it's also kind
Speaker 1: of spilling over into that. Um. But we're you know,
Speaker 1: we're trying to keep it under the you know, we're
Speaker 1: trying to keep it, keep it okay, We're not going
Speaker 1: to be weird about it. Also, you know, there's so
Speaker 1: I watched sometimes, I watched this TV show called American Pickers,
Speaker 1: and you know, people sometimes they go from collecting to hoarding,
Speaker 1: and I'm not really sure again where the line is
Speaker 1: between that. So I'm not like the guy in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: who loved impressionistic guard whose last name was Barnes, and
Speaker 1: so he just covered walls with every painting he possibly
Speaker 1: could get fined. And because he was the right place
Speaker 1: at the right time, he bought some beautiful stuff, but
Speaker 1: he'd run out of space on the wall, so he started,
Speaker 1: you know, nailing stuff to the ceilings and yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: The Barnes collection is really famous. That's the one that
Speaker 1: Um in his will, he left all the money to
Speaker 1: take care of everything, but he said you couldn't move
Speaker 1: any paintings from where they were. And then they had
Speaker 1: a roof leak and they were literally undreds of millions
Speaker 1: of dollars of paintings that by law, because of the
Speaker 1: way the will was written and how wills are enforced,
Speaker 1: they could move them, and they had to get a
Speaker 1: judge to basically adjudicate whether or not they could take
Speaker 1: these things out from where there. Oh yeah, yeah, So anyway,
Speaker 1: so people who sometimes collect art, so it's it's fun
Speaker 1: to think we collect art. I don't think Christine and
Speaker 1: I Christine is my wife. I don't think Christine and
Speaker 1: I are art collectors because I don't know evenna know
Speaker 1: who those people are, except you know, you see about
Speaker 1: him in movies or read about them. But I do
Speaker 1: think that we go out and we see things and
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if they cost some a little bit
Speaker 1: of money or a lot. So Christine and I we
Speaker 1: really buy the art, and I buy my the art
Speaker 1: that I love just because we love it. So I
Speaker 1: probably right now have as many fensters as I need
Speaker 1: right this second. Although I did see one the other day.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, but I just the last that
Speaker 1: the last one I bought. He had painted on one
Speaker 1: of those old school um windows, remember those storm windows
Speaker 1: with a little two aluminum things that you pressed and
Speaker 1: raised up. Yes, so he painted a beautiful work on
Speaker 1: the glass of one of those, so it's easily broken
Speaker 1: and really hard to display. And so of course I
Speaker 1: bought it because it was a crazy piece that was
Speaker 1: haunting me, and so I bought it. And then Christine
Speaker 1: is like, what are we gonna do with this? And
Speaker 1: I was like, we're gonna find a framer who's willing
Speaker 1: to take on the challenge of doing this, and we're
Speaker 1: going to take it. We're gonna display it, and if
Speaker 1: it gets broken, then we're gonna pick up the glass
Speaker 1: pieces and put them back together if we can, or
Speaker 1: we'll do something else. But that's what we're gonna do,
Speaker 1: because this is a piece that everyone needs. And now
Speaker 1: it hangs by the back door in our house, so
Speaker 1: my fourteen year old and all of his friends just
Speaker 1: like run by it every day and kick off their
Speaker 1: shoes and like hey, and I don't know if they
Speaker 1: notice it, but every day I walk in and it
Speaker 1: makes me smile. That's awesome. If I was trying to
Speaker 1: get into this, how would I start get into art
Speaker 1: or get into folk art, get into folk art. If
Speaker 1: was trying to get into folk art, how would I start?
Speaker 1: Like where would you point me? Is it like a website.
Speaker 1: Is it a thought? Is it a do I have
Speaker 1: to type in folk art into Google and see what happens? Like,
Speaker 1: help help me get in if if someone's listening to this,
Speaker 1: all right, So for those who listening, so as you want,
Speaker 1: like we'll come over the house and let me show
Speaker 1: you something that America. Come on over. Christian will send
Speaker 1: you the address. It's great. Um, I think you know,
Speaker 1: for me, it's just about exploration. So I think I
Speaker 1: would go to my local museum and I would look
Speaker 1: at say, hey, have you got any folk art I
Speaker 1: can look at? If this sounded really interesting to you,
Speaker 1: I mean, the interwebs or is an awesome place, and
Speaker 1: certainly if you do folk art and you can find
Speaker 1: a list of folk artists. Um. There is a great museum,
Speaker 1: little shop, nonprofit organization in Chicago that I have been
Speaker 1: into before. They have thirty or forty pieces there that
Speaker 1: are amazing if you like this kind of thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: some people look at it and it seems crazy. There
Speaker 1: was a guy his name, his name is Royal Robinson,
Speaker 1: but he always went by the prophet Royal Robinson and
Speaker 1: the prophet um. I don't know, because I'm not a psychologist.
Speaker 1: But he seemed to have had an issue in his
Speaker 1: early twenties, and so he kind of took a break
Speaker 1: from reality and his wife at the time, um she
Speaker 1: left because she had had after five or ten years
Speaker 1: that she had had about enough. And for the rest
Speaker 1: of his life he wrote about her and drew about her,
Speaker 1: and he had he had an amazing like almost draftsman
Speaker 1: like skill, so he would do these poaches is very angry,
Speaker 1: like you left me, and women are terrible and divorcee,
Speaker 1: and he would use all these words that people use
Speaker 1: in this season seventies to refer to these people, and
Speaker 1: then on the back he made his calendar and this
Speaker 1: is what he was going to do for the week.
Speaker 1: So some of these people, some of these things still survive.
Speaker 1: So this is a little bit like the Dr braun
Speaker 1: Ners label if you've ever had that shampoo or that
Speaker 1: soap and you read it and it just becomes preaching
Speaker 1: and then it goes into like the dark dark hole
Speaker 1: of whatever that yes and so and so. Actually, so
Speaker 1: I only wrote on one roll Robinson peace because if
Speaker 1: you read them, they're like super angry and super misogynistic,
Speaker 1: and you would never even think about other people like this.
Speaker 1: But the reason I like them is because he just
Speaker 1: had to get this out and even though it wasn't appropriate,
Speaker 1: he thought it was appropriate. This is what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1: And there's these great drawings. And sometimes the women are
Speaker 1: like fifty ft tall and monsters and like lasers are
Speaker 1: shooting out of their eyes, and sometimes they're demonic. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's the prophet roll Robinson for you. They're listening,
Speaker 1: go look at them. But on the back then he'd
Speaker 1: do his calendar and it would be like, you know,
Speaker 1: he would just draw straight lines and he there's some
Speaker 1: Bible quotes in there. There's he liked to zeke Eel
Speaker 1: a lot, and so he talks about Ezekiel and then
Speaker 1: he would say, oh, and you know, I gotta go
Speaker 1: get my car and you know at the at the
Speaker 1: oil change place or or eggs, milk and butter on
Speaker 1: one day and I was like, how great is that
Speaker 1: that somebody can kind of makes you want to just
Speaker 1: look at the calendar side well and hang it up backwards.
Speaker 1: So the one that I have, UM actually had to
Speaker 1: work with a guy because we had to engineer a
Speaker 1: frame because that is what I said, I said, I
Speaker 1: like the calendar as much as the other, and so
Speaker 1: most people just do the other. But I need to
Speaker 1: have this both sides. So the frame is actually super
Speaker 1: heavy because his glass on both sides. And my wife
Speaker 1: is Christina for those of you who haven't met her before.
Speaker 1: She's awesome. Um, Christina and I flip it every once
Speaker 1: in a while. She's like, you think we should flip
Speaker 1: the Robinson. I'm like, yeah, let's hang with the calendar.
Speaker 1: And it's it's way upstairs and so we don't see it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, so you can see both sides because it's awesome.
Speaker 1: So so um, I'd say to two more questions, I'd say,
Speaker 1: where is the line for you? Like you mentioned this
Speaker 1: a little earlier, Like you're you're not really gonna nail
Speaker 1: them to the ceiling, and you probably are well stocked
Speaker 1: on what you've your curation, but it sounds like it's
Speaker 1: a very big passion. So is there a point at
Speaker 1: which you started pre apologizing to your son for the
Speaker 1: amount of folk art you've just purchased with his college, Like,
Speaker 1: where's the line for what you're doing? Hey, what point
Speaker 1: do you become crazy? At what point do I become crazy?
Speaker 1: I think the point that you become crazy is for collecting,
Speaker 1: probably collecting anything where you start to disregard everything else
Speaker 1: in your life, and there's not much of a balance,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm just thinking about, like, how many stamps
Speaker 1: is too many? Once I have all the damps, are
Speaker 1: all the cars? I mean, do you really need fifteen?
Speaker 1: I mean a guy who taught me in business school,
Speaker 1: you know, he a beautiful collection of Porsche um and
Speaker 1: you know, now it's a lot of work for him
Speaker 1: because you gotta keep driving him, you gotta rotate him
Speaker 1: and all the rest of that stuff. So I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's a point. I'm sure that my son will one
Speaker 1: day come to me like I recently did with my mother,
Speaker 1: and I said, okay, she my mother likes pets, and
Speaker 1: so I said, Mom, you can do anything you want.
Speaker 1: But the day I walk in here and there's an
Speaker 1: albino python cruising around the house, that's it. You're done.
Speaker 1: So so when your son comes to you, what is
Speaker 1: he gonna say. He's like, look, I see that you
Speaker 1: You took a screwdriver out and you were trying to
Speaker 1: take the light switch off the wall to make more
Speaker 1: space for more folk art. Yes, dad, you need to
Speaker 1: sit down, there's there's a number, or there's an activity,
Speaker 1: and if you hit that, then that's it and you
Speaker 1: can And with my mom, I was like, look, you
Speaker 1: can walk up to the line. You want to have
Speaker 1: dogs that are paralyzed from the back forward, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna take care of him the next five years and
Speaker 1: you're gonna hold them every time they need to go outside.
Speaker 1: Who am I to be in your if that brings
Speaker 1: you joy? Oh my gosh, But I'm telling you and
Speaker 1: so now and now, and so I tell that it's
Speaker 1: like four or five years ago. And so now every
Speaker 1: once in a while she'll say something. I'm like, I'll
Speaker 1: buy a python just and so now it's shorthand for moms,
Speaker 1: totally shorthand for you know. I'm kidding until I'm not,
Speaker 1: and then that's it. That's funny. So have you ever
Speaker 1: considered becoming a folk artist? Oh? No, I'm terrible. I
Speaker 1: couldn't be an artist to save my life. I've tried
Speaker 1: a couple of times because I think it would be
Speaker 1: cool to be able to produce some of these things.
Speaker 1: And I look at my work and I'm like, that's awful,
Speaker 1: do you doodle? No, I'm not. I mean, I'd make
Speaker 1: a lot of boxes. So basically, um so instead of
Speaker 1: being an artist, I'm an artistic supporter. Okay, that is
Speaker 1: that is that is my job. But I think it's
Speaker 1: interesting that people can do things that I can't do,
Speaker 1: Like you can sing and you can play guitar, and
Speaker 1: you can write songs, and you can do all these
Speaker 1: things and if you break them down, I mean hemming
Speaker 1: ways a little bit like this as well, you know,
Speaker 1: to break it down. None of those words are new.
Speaker 1: They were all in the dictionary and everyone knows what
Speaker 1: everyone where it does mean. But y'all did that song
Speaker 1: about you know, Tennessee, you know and called into the
Speaker 1: radio show and tell her I love her and a
Speaker 1: girl called Tennessee. And every time I hear that, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: think about how cool that must be to take words
Speaker 1: that we all know and notes that already pre exist
Speaker 1: and being able to know how to put them together
Speaker 1: and evoke a whole story. And it runs like a
Speaker 1: movie in my head. And I mean, I think artists
Speaker 1: are like that, and I think I think people who
Speaker 1: were chefs that are like that. Like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: voke a particular feeling, so I'm gonna figure out how
Speaker 1: to make this cocktail or tying to make this food.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this movie, I'm gonna write this book.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's neat that people can do
Speaker 1: that because I totally cannot That is not that is
Speaker 1: not my gift. So I think I think it's cool
Speaker 1: that people gonna do stuff to I can't do. So
Speaker 1: I like to hang out and watch. Maybe that's why
Speaker 1: I like sports too. I'll never be Julio Joe, but dude,
Speaker 1: the guy can stretch out and he'd stick his feet
Speaker 1: out there. I'm like, how he do that? And so
Speaker 1: I will totally pay eighty bucks for a ticket or
Speaker 1: I'll sit there for three hours on TV and to
Speaker 1: watch twenty minutes of people do stuff that I can't do.
Speaker 1: And I think it's neat that they can do it.
Speaker 1: That's awesome And I love that you probably I imagine
Speaker 1: you walk around your house and look at the walls
Speaker 1: and go, that's stuff I can't do, but stuff that
Speaker 1: these people couldn't keep from doing. Yeah, you really do.
Speaker 1: Kind You're you're walking around compulsion and kind of it's
Speaker 1: kind of beautiful knowing you and and knowing that you
Speaker 1: said this today. It's all is a nice beautiful bow
Speaker 1: of of Ted Wright. And thank you for being here,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Apter two in every episode
Speaker 1: of Gigging Out. I see if I can trade one
Speaker 1: thing I've discovered recently with one thing that my guest
Speaker 1: has discovered. Anything is admissible in this friendly exchange I
Speaker 1: call trade you. All right, So this is the section
Speaker 1: of of the podcast that I call trade you. And
Speaker 1: this section is I'm going to trade you one thing
Speaker 1: that I'm currently into in exchange for one thing you're
Speaker 1: currently into, a right, okay, And I'll go first, which
Speaker 1: will give you a little bit of time for you
Speaker 1: to kind of figure out what you want to trade me.
Speaker 1: I think you know this about me already that I
Speaker 1: am a board game guy. I am interested in board games,
Speaker 1: which is not necessarily Clue or Monopoly. This is like
Speaker 1: a whole different level and a whole different section of
Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble, you know. And um, what I have
Speaker 1: found is there is a new type of game that
Speaker 1: I didn't know existed until recently, and it has been developed.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a new idea. This is not
Speaker 1: an old idea. And interestingly, I think the idea itself
Speaker 1: kind of came into board gaming from the computer gaming world.
Speaker 1: I think it came backwards, which is a very weird
Speaker 1: way to develop. This particular new kind of board game
Speaker 1: has a designation, so you'll you'll see the name of
Speaker 1: the game and then you will see this designation legacy
Speaker 1: after it, and a legacy board game UM is a
Speaker 1: game that changes while you play it. So, for instance,
Speaker 1: the one that I'm going to recommend to you, and
Speaker 1: I'm only saying this because it's the they've just released
Speaker 1: season two of the board game. Board games come in
Speaker 1: season well they now, so this is a little bit
Speaker 1: like neck Netflix, but a board game UM season one.
Speaker 1: The name of this board game is called Pandemic, and
Speaker 1: it's uh what you need to get. There's there's Pandemic,
Speaker 1: which is normal Pandemic, which is a game in which
Speaker 1: you see a map of the world and you start
Speaker 1: at the CDC here in Atlanta, and there's an outbreak
Speaker 1: that goes on across the globe, and the players are cooperative,
Speaker 1: so you're not playing against anyone, You're you're all playing characters.
Speaker 1: They each have different skills or different special powers, and
Speaker 1: you have to combine them with the in a certain number,
Speaker 1: it turns to save the world. Well, then they kept saying, well,
Speaker 1: have you played Pandemic Legacy. I was like, no, already
Speaker 1: played it, and they're like no, no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: you gotta do the legacy bit. So I bought it
Speaker 1: because it was on the shelf, and I brought it home.
Speaker 1: And what happens is after the first time you play,
Speaker 1: it says all right, open up box number one, and
Speaker 1: you dig into the thing and there's a box with
Speaker 1: a perforated top. It hasn't been opened, and you open
Speaker 1: it up and it has stickers in it, and it
Speaker 1: has new cards and it has new rules, and you
Speaker 1: put stickers on the actual game board on top of
Speaker 1: things that were already there that you thought that's how
Speaker 1: it worked. And one of the cards says, these are
Speaker 1: the new rules. Tear up the card for the old rules,
Speaker 1: So you actually destroy You tear up the card and
Speaker 1: you throw it in the trash can. Right, And then
Speaker 1: now you're playing a game which you kind of know
Speaker 1: the parameters of, but it just changed. And then once
Speaker 1: you do that one round, you said, okay, you're on
Speaker 1: round number three. Did you survive? And if you survived,
Speaker 1: then suddenly they're like, open up box number two, which
Speaker 1: suddenly says, tear up your characters, throw away this, and
Speaker 1: these are your new rules, so and here's new stories,
Speaker 1: and here's new interesting things about where you are. So
Speaker 1: there's a story layered over the top of the game,
Speaker 1: which is also changing every time you play it, so
Speaker 1: you can't go back to the beginning and play it
Speaker 1: again like you would a normal board game. So Pandemic
Speaker 1: Season two Legacy was released really a week and a
Speaker 1: half ago, okay, And of course, now that I'm a
Speaker 1: dork about this, I pre ordered it and it showed
Speaker 1: up and I'm like seven games in and no one
Speaker 1: can touch it at the house. No one is allowed
Speaker 1: to because I have to remember where I am and done.
Speaker 1: So if I had to turn you onto something right now,
Speaker 1: I would turn you onto the Pandemic Legacy series board games.
Speaker 1: Do I start with the very first Pandemic? No, you can.
Speaker 1: So the way that works is when you first open
Speaker 1: up the box, it says, pray play a pregame. But
Speaker 1: for you, do you think, as the person who's recommending
Speaker 1: to me that I should do Pandemic and then Pandemic
Speaker 1: just but just don't start when you get there. It
Speaker 1: tells you to play two or three games so that
Speaker 1: you understand the mechanics without opening up any of the
Speaker 1: legacy pieces and just followed the directions. I mean, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: What an experience this will be. Okay, Okay, now it's return.
Speaker 1: So I want to talk to you about water because
Speaker 1: it is so it has come to my attention that
Speaker 1: water is not always water, that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that floats around in water, and that we use
Speaker 1: a lot of water, especially here in America where we're
Speaker 1: starting to drink less and less soda. And I got
Speaker 1: a little loud there for Christian just for fun. He hasn't.
Speaker 1: He has a diet coke thing that he has. He's
Speaker 1: it's gone, all right, very good. So water is kind
Speaker 1: of interesting, right because it's everywhere, and also you use
Speaker 1: in lots of places, like when you make rice at home,
Speaker 1: rice is sixt water, or you're making pasta, or you're
Speaker 1: drinking you know, milk is seventy water water, um, depending
Speaker 1: on what is you're doing. So you know, it turns
Speaker 1: out that we really need to make choices about where
Speaker 1: we get our water from and what are we doing
Speaker 1: with that water? So like there's tap water and it
Speaker 1: depends on where you are and not like Flint, Michigan
Speaker 1: gross stuff or like like obviously grows stuff where you
Speaker 1: got like flames coming out like a Simpsons cartoon, but
Speaker 1: or in real life when that happens that people. But
Speaker 1: you know, there's so there's tap water, and then you
Speaker 1: can get water out of bottles and you could do it.
Speaker 1: Different companies have filters. And then there's this company out
Speaker 1: there that have you know, those big machines that you
Speaker 1: see at the grocery store where you can go up
Speaker 1: and you know, you can fill up a gallon jug
Speaker 1: for fifteen cents, or you can get big those big
Speaker 1: five gallon things delivered to your house. So it's interesting
Speaker 1: to me. So somebody brought this up to me about
Speaker 1: six months ago, and so I've been kind of looking
Speaker 1: at it, and I'm starting to be a big fan
Speaker 1: of getting those big things of water at the grocery
Speaker 1: store and then having a dispensary um at your house
Speaker 1: and getting your water that you drink and you news
Speaker 1: out of those And I'm interested in this, and this
Speaker 1: is for real. I'm interested in this because one like
Speaker 1: consumption so average, So I got kind of went down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole and looked at all of stuff. So
Speaker 1: water and if you if you have one of those
Speaker 1: dispensers in America, this is one of those five gallon
Speaker 1: things and you've got the little dispenser in your kitchen
Speaker 1: or whatever, um, and it's those ones that you have
Speaker 1: to take off the top and you have to go
Speaker 1: really fast, you know, splash all over the floor. That's
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. So people drink like like your
Speaker 1: kids will drink more water if that's just out there
Speaker 1: in front of them, right, And there's there's a guy
Speaker 1: out there. His name is Dick Taylor, and he just
Speaker 1: won the Nobel Prize for Economics. But his idea forty
Speaker 1: years ago, which he then wrote in a book called Nudge,
Speaker 1: and basically his concept that he won the Nobel Prize
Speaker 1: for it because now it has been proven, is if
Speaker 1: you make it easy for somebody to due to the
Speaker 1: right thing, they'll do it much more often. So water
Speaker 1: is it turns out we should be every American should
Speaker 1: most likely be drinking more water than they already do.
Speaker 1: And so water because water is everywhere, because we need
Speaker 1: to consume all out of water. Water really becomes a
Speaker 1: choice like why am I drinking water out of this place?
Speaker 1: And do I need to make sure that that is
Speaker 1: something I want to do? So an average, so one
Speaker 1: of those five gallon if you drink your water out
Speaker 1: of one of those five gallon things, and that's how
Speaker 1: you consume much of your water. Your a praise like
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred of those water bottles that you buy, you know,
Speaker 1: in the big case packs and so and if you
Speaker 1: get one of those. So there's particular matter, and there's
Speaker 1: stuff like chlorine and stuff that is put in big
Speaker 1: lots of water and municipalities. But do you really want
Speaker 1: to be putting all that chlorine in your body? So
Speaker 1: maybe you want to use you know, some company who
Speaker 1: has a filter where you put the stuff in the
Speaker 1: top up and then the water kind of percolates down
Speaker 1: with gravity. So that's one way of filtering. But do
Speaker 1: you want more filters because maybe that doesn't take out everything.
Speaker 1: So do you want a company to filter the water
Speaker 1: for you, like you know one of those companies that
Speaker 1: has the big water and you just go to lows
Speaker 1: or you go to you know, when your whole foods
Speaker 1: and just pull one out and put the empty back
Speaker 1: and you go do that. So water you really need
Speaker 1: to think about. So my gift to you is you
Speaker 1: really need to be thinking about where it is you
Speaker 1: get your water and how you get your water and
Speaker 1: what does that mean for what you are trying to do.
Speaker 1: Like I know you're on the road a lot, right,
Speaker 1: So this is why I'm talking about you. If there's
Speaker 1: no water, you need to drink more water. And also
Speaker 1: you burn You've told me before, you know you burned
Speaker 1: six or seven thousand galleries during the show. So you've
Speaker 1: got water coming in and out all the time. So
Speaker 1: what is the quality of the water that you're putting
Speaker 1: in and out of your system? So for you in
Speaker 1: particular in America, you can listen in if this works
Speaker 1: for you too, we really think about it. And for
Speaker 1: us at our house, you know, since we're recommending stuff,
Speaker 1: we have moved to that big water thing, the diyant
Speaker 1: water thing, and we're putting it and we got one
Speaker 1: of those machines and my wife does not like the machine,
Speaker 1: but I put over in the closet. We drink on
Speaker 1: a lot more water. And for me, and who knows
Speaker 1: it's if it's mental or not, but I can I
Speaker 1: feel better. I'm no, I'm drinking more water. I'm probably
Speaker 1: more hydrated. I got them for the office we have.
Speaker 1: I put four of them into the office and I
Speaker 1: ripped out. We guys blow through a bunch of water
Speaker 1: on that, and so we're probably blowing through, you know,
Speaker 1: to on the gallons of water that I know of,
Speaker 1: probably a week. I accept your gift. Pandemic and water.
Speaker 1: Two things are made for each other. Thank you for
Speaker 1: being here man, Thank you, Christian. I appreciate it's a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Chapter three me geeking out on music
Speaker 1: the long way. There's nothing quite like cheering for your
Speaker 1: favorite team. Where in the shirt, knowing the chant, following
Speaker 1: the story, you feel like you're a part of something,
Speaker 1: a tribe. You give the team your support and exchange.
Speaker 1: They carry the flag, and the dreams of winning. Bands
Speaker 1: from your hometown functioned kind of like sports teams. If
Speaker 1: you're from Texas, maybe it was Robert O'Keene or Seattle.
Speaker 1: It was Pearl Jam or Mud Honey Portland, the Decembrist Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: maybe it was the Replacements or Prince. Their bands from
Speaker 1: the place you call home, and as they become successful,
Speaker 1: you cheer them on until They're almost like an extension
Speaker 1: of you, an extension of your hometown, part of the
Speaker 1: town's identity and yours. This brings me to Athens, Georgia
Speaker 1: and their home team, not the Georgia Bulldogs, but r
Speaker 1: E M M. The culture of going the long way
Speaker 1: is what is birth many, if not all, of the
Speaker 1: significant bands in America, and each of these bands I mentioned,
Speaker 1: you're likely to hear the same story. A group of
Speaker 1: people gathered in a basement, played music together for a
Speaker 1: determinate amount of time, invited their friends over to listen,
Speaker 1: and said basement eventually played somewhere for free until enough
Speaker 1: people that they didn't know started enjoying listening. Then they
Speaker 1: kept playing, and eventually, between playing house parties and local
Speaker 1: clubs and bowling alleys, learned how to parallel park of
Speaker 1: van and a trailer, make a T shirt, and even
Speaker 1: learn to make collections of songs and release albums. R
Speaker 1: M started in nineteen eighty and went the long way.
Speaker 1: They learned which songs made people sing along, which made
Speaker 1: them dance, which board their audience to tears, and which
Speaker 1: songs they had to finish their show with every night.
Speaker 1: This is them in Raleigh in two songs for some
Speaker 1: people will tell you that you need to learn the ropes,
Speaker 1: pay your dues, put in your ten thousand Gladwell hours
Speaker 1: to get there. Truly, in my experience, you're just trying
Speaker 1: everything you can to get a big break. There's a
Speaker 1: certain amount of pride when you start to see something
Speaker 1: from your hometown show up on the radio or even
Speaker 1: on television. But to get there, these bands are putting
Speaker 1: in thousands of hours touring and even more making music together.
Speaker 1: This is R E M three years in on their
Speaker 1: national television debut on Letterman Please Welcome R E M.
Speaker 1: R E M actually spent seven albums of Time getting
Speaker 1: better and better and better on an independent label before
Speaker 1: they ever signed with Warner Brothers and release their major
Speaker 1: label debut Green. Their most successful albums actually came as
Speaker 1: their two follow ups to Green, Out of Time and
Speaker 1: Automatic For the people. They were going the long way.
Speaker 1: You can actually hear it if you go backward in
Speaker 1: their catalog, from the Sounds of Murmur, two Fables of
Speaker 1: the Reconstruction and to Life's Rich Pageant, and then to
Speaker 1: an album called Document. They released an album a year
Speaker 1: and toured like crazy. I looked up to people like R. E. M.
Speaker 1: I came to college in Atlanta in and was able
Speaker 1: to not only here but actually see the habits that
Speaker 1: they had formed. I saw clubs where they played and
Speaker 1: the bands after them. They were actually playing the same clubs,
Speaker 1: college stations that played their music, who welcomed new bands
Speaker 1: to send them music, bands who R. E M Had
Speaker 1: helped that were in turn now helping me. I could
Speaker 1: actually feel what going the long way actually created in
Speaker 1: its wake. It created opportunity, encouragement, so coard, and most importantly,
Speaker 1: someone saying that this crazy dream is not impossible. I've
Speaker 1: lived in what they taught, from coffee houses to clubs
Speaker 1: to frat houses across the South to rock clubs in
Speaker 1: Berlin or even arenas in the Midwest. Work harder to
Speaker 1: make a better song right, thousands of them constantly try
Speaker 1: to find a new audience. Understand you may play to
Speaker 1: no one in each city or country until people start
Speaker 1: to become fans. Never stop moving the dream forward, Never
Speaker 1: take your fans for granted, make a better T shirt,
Speaker 1: help those who come behind you, be the team from
Speaker 1: your hometown, and never forget it. I still can't believe
Speaker 1: that my name is even next to their name and
Speaker 1: the Georgia Music Hall of Fame. I owe them so
Speaker 1: much as a fan, as a student, as a creator.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I would be who I am or
Speaker 1: where I am without their music. It's a shame that
Speaker 1: nowadays very few bands to get the opportunity to go
Speaker 1: the long way. No one gives young bands a chance anymore.
Speaker 1: Even if you have a big break and a successful
Speaker 1: radio song, if your sophomore album tanks, you're kind of
Speaker 1: considered over. What if we said, hey, how about you
Speaker 1: put out an album for a year, for five years,
Speaker 1: play a hundred and fifties shows a year, and then decide,
Speaker 1: if you're any good, what kind of music do you
Speaker 1: think would be created? What kind of culture? There is
Speaker 1: some good news. College bars still exists, and people like
Speaker 1: Luke Combs or Ashley McBride have been playing them and
Speaker 1: building fan bases for years. The dreams not dead. The
Speaker 1: technology that many say is a setback to the music
Speaker 1: industry might be the same technology that can give the
Speaker 1: next R. E. M the chance to make their first
Speaker 1: five records without anybody's help. But most importantly, there are
Speaker 1: basements everywhere in every hometown that still have dreams in
Speaker 1: them where a group of people will make a band
Speaker 1: and maybe go the long way. If you want to
Speaker 1: help find a band, support him, tell your friends, bring
Speaker 1: your friends. This is how things start. You never know
Speaker 1: where things might end up. You never know where your
Speaker 1: favorite song might come from. You never know if something
Speaker 1: from your own street might change the world. I hope
Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode of Geeking Out and we are
Speaker 1: all hard at work here on the next one. Are
Speaker 1: you obsessed with something amazing? I want to tell us
Speaker 1: about it? Right to us at geeking Out with KB
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and you might be a guest
Speaker 1: on an upcoming episode. Come find out more about me
Speaker 1: and this podcast at Christian Bush dot com, Christian with
Speaker 1: a K, follow me at Christian Bush on Twitter, Christian
Speaker 1: Bush on Instagram, Christian Bush on Facebook, and Christian M.
Speaker 1: Bush on Snapchat. Thanks to Bobby Bones for the opportunity
Speaker 1: to build this podcast, for In a Bush for the
Speaker 1: editing and the soundtrack, Tom Tapley for the audio wizardry,
Speaker 1: and Whitney Pastrick for being a great producer and making
Speaker 1: this whole thing possible. This is Christian Bush gigging out.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening.