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Speaker 1: The Saint Louis Cardinals beat the Atlanta Braves, five to four.

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Speaker 1: They finished the first half fifty one and forty six,

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Speaker 1: five games over five hundred, and they've landed one of

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Speaker 1: the most highly regarded pitchers in this year's draft class.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal Territory. I'm your host, Katie Woo.

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Speaker 1: Let's recap what was a very busy and very long

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Speaker 1: Sunday here at bush Jam, and it's still going. We'll

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Speaker 1: start with the game itself, a game that began a

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Speaker 1: after eight pm, so that was super cool. The Cardinals

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Speaker 1: braved through two very lengthy rain delays. I think we

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Speaker 1: were up to almost five hours of delays, and as

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Speaker 1: manager Olie Marmele said when that game finally ended, if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna wait that long for a game, you better

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Speaker 1: win it, and that they did. Jose Fermen was the

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Speaker 1: hero in this one. He smacked a go ahead, two

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Speaker 1: run homer in the seventh inning, the first homer of

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Speaker 1: his major league career. That's always special, especially when it

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Speaker 1: gives your team the lead, and the Cardinals really needed

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Speaker 1: to end the first tap on a good note. The

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Speaker 1: All Star Break getting swept, especially by a team like

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Speaker 1: the Braves that has just simply not had a good season.

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Speaker 1: So they played a very winnable series. The Cardinals lost

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Speaker 1: by one run both Friday and Saturday, and I was

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Speaker 1: y collapse that just was pretty unusual for filmmaton at least.

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Speaker 1: So two very winnable games Friday and Saturday put you

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Speaker 1: in a spot where you felt like you absolutely had

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Speaker 1: so despite what was just a very grueling, grueling time

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Speaker 1: at the ballpark. But in between all those raindelays, we

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Speaker 1: had plenty of things to talk about, because, in case

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Speaker 1: you hadn't heard, with the fifth overall pick in the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five MLB Amateur Draft, the Cardinals selected left

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Speaker 1: handed pitcher Liam Doyle out of the University of Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: and this was a very exciting pick. I think for

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Speaker 1: those of you unfamiliar with Liam Doyle, I'll go ahead

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Speaker 1: and read you some stats off the Cardinals press release.

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Speaker 1: He's twenty one years old, recently completed his junior season

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Speaker 1: with the Volunteers. He made nineteen appearances, seventeen starts, went

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Speaker 1: ten to four with a three point two zero ERA.

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Speaker 1: And this is the most exciting part, a school record

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Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty four strikeouts across ninety five and

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Speaker 1: two thirds innings pitched. He led the nation with a

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Speaker 1: strikeout per nine innings rate of fifteen point four, three

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Speaker 1: second overall in the country in strikeouts collegiately. And when

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Speaker 1: you ask scouting director Randy Flores what sticks out about

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Speaker 1: Liam Doyle, here's what he'll say. We have a little

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Speaker 1: recap up of the day on the athletic Here's what

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Speaker 1: Flores told media when he spoke to us a couple

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Speaker 1: of hours ago. When we saw that Liam Doyle could

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Speaker 1: be in play, as the draft board unfolded, everyone was excited.

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Speaker 1: Doyle has a very unique fastball. Not only is the

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Speaker 1: shape unique, the velocity is a level above his peers.

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Speaker 1: There are a range of outcomes of any player, and

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Speaker 1: his range of outcomes includes an extremely high floor and

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Speaker 1: the ceiling is through the roof. So let's talk out.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that fastball because it is his most

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Speaker 1: reasons why. And we'll get into this. Liam Doyle is

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Speaker 1: projected to be one of the quicker fast track quick risers,

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Speaker 1: Doyle was named the SEC pitcher of the Year, and

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Speaker 1: he tore up the opposition with his fastball. Since ninety

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Speaker 1: because when you have a chance to draft high below

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Speaker 1: And there were a ton of impressive lefty collegiate arms there.

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Speaker 1: To me, Doyle is the one that is the most

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Speaker 1: exciting because of that aforementioned fast track possibility to the

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Speaker 1: major leagues. Here's a message, or not a message, an article,

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Speaker 1: A snippet from Keith Law, our top prospect draft evaluator,

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Speaker 1: on why he believes Liam Doyle could be a very

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Speaker 1: quick riser through a minor league systems Out the fastball first.

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Speaker 1: I'll read it. Doyle's fastball may be the best in

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Speaker 1: the miners quickly. Now Here is where Keith Locke kind

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Speaker 1: of speculates or hypothesizes on what that track record could

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Speaker 1: Chase Birds or Paul Skemes took eyeing a Junish call

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Speaker 1: up next year. Now we know this about the draft.

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Speaker 1: Major league teams do not draft for major league need

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Speaker 1: you draft for what's available. But when you think about

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Speaker 1: you have an ability to take someone that many project

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Speaker 1: Athletic Baseball America ESPN that say he could be a

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Speaker 1: exactly what Flow was talking about when he spoke to

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Speaker 1: and that's exactly what he said. He said there is

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Speaker 1: have to swallow that risk. Acquiring swing and miss. Acquiring

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Speaker 1: one hundred and one miles per hour with that unique

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Speaker 1: fastball on the free agent market is very expensive, and

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Speaker 1: we know the Cardinals have never really been in the

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Speaker 1: market for such lucrative acquisitions. So to be able to

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Speaker 1: reverting back to what they were really good at, this

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Speaker 1: is such a fun pick. We'll have a chance to

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Speaker 1: talk to Liam Doyle very shortly. I think he's going

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Speaker 1: excited to get to know a little bit about what

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Speaker 1: he's about. If you would like to know about Liam

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Speaker 1: Doyle and you're not quite sure because the draft, MLB

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Speaker 1: draft is not like NBA or NFL, where you know

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Speaker 1: these players because you see them every day and you

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Speaker 1: like a little snippet on who Liam Doyle the pitcher is,

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Speaker 1: just google Lian Doyle celebrations and you will see a

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Speaker 1: very fiery person who is not afraid to express his

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Speaker 1: Lynn Chris Carpenter vibes. Just a really fun pick. And again,

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Speaker 1: history where they've had back to back years with a

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Speaker 1: Now they have Liam Doyle, largely regarded as one of

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Speaker 1: the best left handed pitchers available in this draft class,

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Speaker 1: and again many believe his bash track to the majors

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Speaker 1: total tonight. The draft is three rounds. This in Day

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Speaker 1: one and then Day two begins at ten thirty Central time.

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Speaker 1: They already made their second pick, number fifty five overall.

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Speaker 1: Let me pull it up because I just thought it

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Speaker 1: Things are picking up. So with the their fifty fifth pick,

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Speaker 1: In the draft, the Cardinal selected outfielder Ryan Mitchell from

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Speaker 1: selected right handed pitcher Tanner Franklin, another volunteer. So clearly

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis Legend Tony Battello, the head coach of the

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Volunteers, having some impact with this draft. We'll break

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Speaker 1: down a lot more about Liam Doyle as we get

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Speaker 1: to know him a little bit more over the next

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Speaker 1: to Liam Doyle in exactly twenty minutes, So this is

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Speaker 1: Get after it all, Right, let's pivot to the major

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Speaker 1: league roster. Before Sunday's game, the Cardinals activated Evon Herrera

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Speaker 1: where he left off. He was a DH hit second

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Speaker 1: we look forward to what the Cardinals look like in

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Speaker 1: the second half. We know there will not be a

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