WEBVTT - Assassination Week #5: Alexander Dugin’s Daughter Meets a Car Bomb 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.800 On pictures of alexandrowoking moments after his daughter exploding in 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:11.760 a car bomb. Again, I don't have any problems beating puppies. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:16.520 Oh No, this is recorded. Welcome, it could happen here, 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:22.440 the podcast where Garrettson Davis is fine with violence against dogs. Yeah, right, 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:31.520 aw wow, cancellable, cancellable. deathly allergic to dogs, but they 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.160 love you so much. So if people were, if people 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.720 were going to pick an assassination method for me, just 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.360 to get a whole bunch of dog Dander and rub 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.360 it on my pillow and I'll be dead with I'll 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.479 be doing the next morning. I've I've seen you get 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:45.639 rubbed on by a bunch of dogs and you've you've 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.839 never died yet. No, yeah, that's get uncomfortable and you 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.080 have to use your inhaler and it's you know, but 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.360 I don't. I just I just ignore that. You get 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.680 uncomfortable and you have to use your in Halor, Roberts 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:02.000 like that's great. I'm super thrilled with that out Um, 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:12.399 you know what other outcome I'm thrilled with? So sick transition. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:17.559 So we are talking about the assassination of Alexander Dugan's daughter. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:21.920 It's IT'S A it's a, it's it's kind of a 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.640 wild story. There's a lot of weird things going on. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:29.640 We still don't know much about what actually happened. Um, 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.280 there's a lot of conflicting theories, a lot of experts 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.520 who are saying different things, quote unquote, experts who are 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.800 saying different things. Uh, it's it's wild. But I have 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:40.760 a little right up here that we're going to go 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.679 through based on what I assume everyone's questions will be 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:48.760 about this assassination. UH, first thing, probably before we before 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.760 we get into Alexander Dugan's daughter, I guess it's probably 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:56.160 worth clarifying who Alexander Dugan is, because to understand the 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.880 nature of this assassination and possible motives, it's important to 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.200 know who he is as a person. So I know 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.080 we've talked about Dugan on the show before kind of briefly, 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:12.839 but Alexander Dugan is a Russian traditionalist, neo fascist political theorist. Um, 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.040 some people call him a philosopher. I think that's being 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:24.360 a little generous. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he was born 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.480 in nineteen sixty two into a high ranking military family 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.320 and Dugan spent his early years as an anti communist 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:36.760 dissident in the collapsing Soviet Union. He joined various a 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:41.760 dissident ultra nationalist, occult Anti Semitic and Fascist groups or 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.079 collectives that sprung up during the last two decades of 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.160 the Soviet Union. Uh, in the nineties he was one 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:52.400 of the founders of the Russian National Bolshevik Party, which 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.400 he left in the late nineties because the party was 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.960 not fascist enough. Um. So he he left the political 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.720 party he helped, he helped start because it was it 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.760 had too many of the Bolshevik parts of the National 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:10.560 Bolshevik Party. Um He he kind of carries on some 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:15.359 of the traditionalist political philosophy from Twentieth Century Esoteric Fascist 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:20.440 writers like Julius Sevola, whose book on Pagan Imperialism Dugan 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.000 translated into Russian. Just as a brief bit of context 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:29.360 for people. Now you know their fascism and communism are 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.480 are portrayed as in strict, strict opposition to each other. 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.560 But if we're going back to the twenties and thirties, 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.000 a lot of these guys had a lot of things 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.280 in common. There were times where the Communist Party of 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:43.080 Germany and the Nazis would fight the cops together. Um. 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.800 There were people in the Nazi party who were more 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.960 or less national bolsheviks in terms of their political outlook. Um, 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.400 and they were all murdered on the night of long knives. 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.160 Like the Nazi party had a left wing that it purged. Anyway. 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.600 This is just like, this is not coming out of nowhere. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.360 This isn't a new development, and the thing with Dugan 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.680 is that he really is does carry on that type 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.640 of Red Brown alliance idea with a lot of his politics, 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.200 of of of bringing together some of the more harder 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:15.680 fascists with some people who are more like authoritarian communists, Um, 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.520 and we see that with the National Bolshevik Party. At 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.440 this point. Dugan is probably most known for his influence 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:29.200 on Contemporary Russian politics, the NEO Eurasianism ideology, his writing 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.600 on the multi polar world theory and his fourth political 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.760 theory about the ascension of Russia as the world's like 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:41.600 traditionalist political power, Um, and usurping the kind of political 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:47.120 dominance of the United States. And Dugan's NEO EURASIANISM is 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:52.279 described by Antonslav, an eastern European far right scholar, as, quote, 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.400 a form of Fascist ideology centered on the idea of 0:04:55.400 --> 0:05:00.000 revolutionizing the Russian society and building a tolitarian Russian domin 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.320 needed Eurasian Empire that would challenge and eventually defeat its 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:09.920 eternal adversary, represented by the United States and it's atlanticist allies, 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.080 less springing about a new golden age of global political 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:20.880 and cultural illiberalism, unquote. So it's it's very centered in 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:25.359 just being against the ideas of liberalism and being against 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:30.920 like globalist liberalism, like actual like globalization, Um, and still 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.320 carrying over a lot of influences from esoteric writers like 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.320 Julius Sevola in terms of like kids, anti modern, anti 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:45.839 liberal politics based in like traditional, anti multicultural right this. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.000 a lot of if you've ever seen someone screaming about 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.880 like Global Homo or something like, that's probably one of 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:56.240 these guys. Yeah, and that that Dugan's daughter actually, in 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.839 her last ever interview, talks about that a little bit 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:04.880 and we're yeah, yeah, like there's there's there's there's a 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.039 lot of people in the US who like see this 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.200 ship and like mistake it for anti imperialism, and it's 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.960 basically because like they've lost the ability to like conceive 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.320 of an empire that isn't the US, Britain or France, 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.920 and even that's tenuous and it's like guys like from 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.360 a lot of these commibal accounts, you get the attitude 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.760 that like, well, only the United States is capable of 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.920 being imperialism, which is just then just say you're anti us, 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.120 just say you're anti the United States, because you're not 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.800 anti imperialism. Because, let me tell you something, there's been 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:41.120 a lot of empires in history. Controversial statement from Robert Evans. 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.680 Quite quite a few different empires over time. They're not 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.480 all America press probably worth like pointing out the Russia 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.800 asset exists. Is An empire, right, it's just a contiguous one. 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.960 It's it's one that that is joined by land separated 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.600 by seas. Doesn't still be being an empire? Yes, as 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.039 as we can see, with them trying to expand into Ukraine, 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.719 which is heavily influenced itself by some of the theory 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.080 that Dugan was writing from the nineties up until now 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.600 um and then, kind of in reference to Dugan's influence 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:18.840 on contemporary Russian politics, especially since Russia's so far failed 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:23.200 invasion of Ukraine, Dugan is often referred to as, quote unquote, 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:28.559 Putin's brain or, quote unquote, Putin's Resputin Um. And while 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:33.640 he is well connected and has and while he is 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.320 certainly well connected and has quite a bit of influence 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.000 in Russia and the global far right movement in general, 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.280 the degree to which he holds significant power in the 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:48.680 decisions that Putin makes is definitely heavily contested among actual 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:53.280 political experts. We think some of the whole Putin's brain 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.840 and Putin's like resputent thing is a little bit over emphasis, 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:01.280 over emphasized with sometimes Dugan's never held off, there's Dugan, 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.120 Dugan's never we we we don't even have a picture 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.000 of Dugan and Puttin together, like we don't even know 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.760 if they've actually like been in the same room. We 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:16.320 don't know if the same person, the same person. Yes, 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.640 that's correct, Chris. The thing that is important to know 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.480 about Putin as regards Dugan because again, as garrison said, 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.040 not trying to make a statement here about the degree 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.400 like saying that he is or is not any kind 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.959 of influence, but Vladimir Putin has been doing this, has 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.479 been working towards the where he is now for decades 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.280 and is a guy who has had a view of 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:43.360 the world for decades that he's worked towards making real 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.600 um and it's not a view of the world that 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.480 you need to be. Dugan's an esotericist, like you do 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.200 not need to think Esoteric Lee to understand what Vladimir 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.679 Putin is doing. He wants to reunite the Russian imperial 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.720 project that fell apart when the Soviet Union did, using 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.400 violence and whatever other means he can do, which is 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.960 why he's gone done what he's done in Georgia. Um, 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.480 it's why he's done doing what he's doing in Ukraine. 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.600 This is not like complicated. Understanding Putin's motivations are is 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.360 not hard. I think a lot of people have kind 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:16.439 of leaned into that Putin's brain thing, especially since the 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:21.160 invasion of Ukraine, because in in Dugan's seminal nineteen nineties, 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.680 seven book the foundations of geopolitics, Dugan lays out his 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.920 vision to divide the world up and calling for Russia 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:33.480 to rebuild this influence through annexations and alliances. Well, all 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.560 in a heavy opposition to Ukraine as a sovereign state, 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.000 and a lot of Dugan's writing has been about trying 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:44.199 to reconquer Ukraine and absorb it into Russia. Um. Yeah, 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.600 and he's a useful guy, but yeah, I guess. And 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:52.080 like the the in an article from the from the Guardian, 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.959 that I was I was using for one of the 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.360 sources for this episode. They they claim that the foundations 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.280 of geopolitics was a very popular book in the Russian 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:06.280 General Staff Academy. Um, and kind of was. Was One 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.640 of the things that shifted Dugan from like a weird 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:14.560 esoteric dissident to actually becoming a more influential and prominent 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.640 pillar of the conservative establishment inside Russia. Um, as as 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:23.040 Dugan's writing evolved, started to emphasize less, the more esoteric 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:27.880 elements his writing did, did get more popular in Russia. Um. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.360 But at this point he is stronger as a symbol, uh, 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.640 less so than having actual personal influence over decision making. 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.040 You know what does have influence of your decision making? 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.600 They have influence of your decision making. You're you're the 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.440 sub the sublemental messages that we've been placing insider ads 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.040 for the past three years. Um. That leads that that 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.880 has been an esotary project of of of my design 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.640 to to influence you to buy these products and services. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.080 That's right, James, I'm I'm trying to I think we 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.400 have a couple of different esoteric projects. I'm not sure 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.679 what Y'alls is. I'm trying to get people to bring 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.520 the Super U Baja back. That was the super that 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.840 had a little truck bed in the back. It was 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:13.800 the Super Oh my God, how can yeah, I was 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.600 gonna come speaking of one word, but I realized where 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:18.880 that was taking me and I started off to me, 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.679 it is a cup. Yeah, it is a cup. It's 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.920 my second favorite cup. Um, why didn't they call it 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.079 the Super U Cuck, and I would buy one immediately. Yeah, 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:34.120 the Super Ye, please buy, please buy a super cuck. 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:49.000 Enjoy these adverts and we're back. All right, so let's 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.600 I think it's now actually time to talk about the 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:57.040 the actual casualty this assassination, which is not Alexander Dugan, 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:04.680 instead Gina U Daria, dead, Gaina more like it. Yeah, 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.480 so she was. She was. She was born on December 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:16.520 fifte n Daria herself was a Russian journalist and far 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:21.720 right activist who was very vocal in support of the well, 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.880 I mean yeah, she, she, she did work for a 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.200 number of journalists of journalism outlets, not only Russia, including 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.800 in France, like she. She she did. She was a journalist. Um, 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:35.440 she did work. It wasn't very good. She's a bad person, um, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.440 but she worked for a few French outlets. Um, she 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.000 was very vocal in support of the invasion of Ukraine. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:45.040 In accordance with her father's political theories, she studied at 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:49.000 the Moscow State University, specializing in the political philosophy of 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.920 late neoplatonism. So you already know she's going to be 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:57.760 really annoying. Anyone tries to describe that degree program to me, 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:03.600 I might hit them like absolutely no. Yeah, we, we, we, we, we, we. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.640 We have, in that one sentence alone, laid out justification 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:11.960 for assassination. Okay, well, okay, come on, I think I 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.880 think that's a bit too far. I'm gonna say right 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.320 now I bought property with land so that when people 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.400 say the word Neo platonism around me I can get 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:27.439 rid of the body. So here's some fun facts about 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:32.679 about Daria. She played the flute. Um, she was she 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.640 was in her she was in a band, I think 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:40.560 in college, uh, called Jason May refuse, which was an 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.560 electronic music band. Now, Dason. I bet her ship did 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:48.000 actually rock. It probably did. Slap of, I mean like 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.120 and this, and this was when she was less of 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.880 a fascist actually. Um, now, just in terms of something 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:58.720 that kind of an interesting note here. So dason translates 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.800 to here being, which was, which is one of Alexander 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.479 Dugan's favorite favorite terms. It's it's related to the philosophical 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:14.320 concepts uh espposed by Martin Heideger. Yes, so it's it's 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.480 just a little nerdy reference to both her father. I 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.040 guess she was probably exposed to the phrase via her father, 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:24.040 but it's a hideger reference. So she named her electronic 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:28.040 music band off of Hideker. If you're trying to kill 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.680 her ghost now, which is pretty funny. Yeah, yeah, if 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.320 you're in a band with a hiding a reference to 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:38.400 leave that band now. But but yeah, when she when 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:42.080 she was in the university, her friends say she actually 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:47.200 she actually wasn't really into her dad or her dad's politics. Um, 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.560 her her friends talk about that. When she when she 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:54.200 was in university, she really liked Um, guide to board. Um, 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:58.000 she was interested in some of the more yeah, like 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.960 just quickly, as like a lot of popular stuff on 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.400 the left. Now ship like a crime thing, but also 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.080 stuff like Um ad busters is influenced by guided boy. Yeah, 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:15.160 I mean also like the French Revolution in Yeah, yeah, 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:21.120 I was arrived for a hundred and twenty years and 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.160 never aged. He was also, I will say this is 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:25.560 a thing a lot of people don't know about, the 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.120 board was influential in the development of war games and 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.960 and is part of the intellectual tradition that gave us warhammer. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.840 That that that actually makes a lot of sense. Makes it? 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.440 It makes complete sense. Yeah, yeah, but but yeah, so 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:46.920 she was. She was into stuff like that in yeah, 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:51.120 I must I don't think. I don't think she would 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.920 have described herself as that. Um, but that was the 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.800 types of stuff that she liked talking about and that 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.200 was the types of groups that she was involved with. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.840 She she never talking about her father, and her father 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.680 was already a very popular um person at this time, 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.840 specifically inside Russian universities. But she, she was. She did 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.440 not drive with that type of stuff. Um. And then 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.720 by by the end of her kind of time in university, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:20.640 she started shifting more towards what her friends described as orthodoxy. Um. 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.440 I would say it's like she she should more towards 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.360 her father's traditionalist stuff. I'm not sure what exactly caused 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.880 this shift to happen, Um, but here's a quote from 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:33.600 one of her friends quote. It was strange because before 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:35.560 that she has not shown any interest in him and 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:42.120 her father had no influence on her. Um. And it's so, yeah, 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.320 something by the by the end she by the by 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.440 the end of her time in university and she got 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.240 and by the time she was out of university, Um, 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.560 she actually just became an activist with the International Eurasianism 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.880 movement of do again and began to arrange lectures for 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.520 her father and came a very active supporter of his. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.480 And then after that she started writing for state run 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:09.240 news outlets like rt and running parts of her father's website, 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.159 where she was then listed as his press secretary, and 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.360 started to appear at the events of the Eurasian Movement 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:20.040 as a speaker as well. So she she shifted in 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:25.439 like the last like probably ten fifteen years past, like 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.280 ten years she was shifting more towards her father, even 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.280 though when she was in her twenties she was more 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.719 into some of the French leftist stuff. That doesn't surprise 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.120 number one it's pretty normal for young people to rebel 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.119 against their parents in that era and be interested in 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.000 stuff outside of it. And like, I think there's a 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:45.840 couple of different ways this could have gone, but a 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.280 thing that makes total sense to me is that she's rebellious. 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:53.199 She explores some things. The primary things she learns is 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.439 that life out there is hard and like making a 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.080 living on your own and completely like is difficult and 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.320 her dad had a lot of influence and she can 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.040 make a lot of money working for him, and so 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:07.159 back back she goes. I don't know, she lost. She 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.280 lost a lot of her friends over this because when 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.320 she started doing stuff with her dad, her friends who 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.280 are like situations, people are like no, funk that, we're 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:19.680 not going to hang out with you. Yeah, it's, it's, 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.160 it's it's kind of actually a bomber. Like I, I only, 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.240 I only, I only got to this part of her life, Um, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.000 a few days ago when I was doing the research, 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.040 and this is actually something I stumbled upon later into 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.439 my research for this episode, because I was basically, I 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.360 was Mo only focused on the actual assassination part Um 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:36.880 and I when I found this, I was like, oh, 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:40.320 that's actually kind of sad. Yeah, I will say I 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:44.120 don't know if this is at work here, but there 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.280 is a thing in like there is a current in 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.240 their French al tip left like after sixty eight, like 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.080 going into the seventies and eighties, that gets like really 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:58.800 fucking weird and kind of ghost fascist based around. It's 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:00.960 it's a long story. Whe there's there's a whole thing 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.040 about a guy who was like sort of involved in 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.280 the alto left circles, who was like I think he'd 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.000 been in he'd been in a concentration camp, but he'd 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:10.719 been in one of the ones that like wasn't an 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.879 extermination camp, and he started doing like Holocaust denial, and 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:15.680 there's like this whole fucking thing where like a bunch 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:19.000 of these people like kind of went really like went 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.320 really fucking weird. The rest of people, like the rest 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:22.960 of Alto, left his own them and like they like 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:25.399 we're kind of involved a bunch of the sort of 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:29.480 like the like founding the French neo fascism. It's not like. 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:31.280 It's not it's not a path that like has never 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.640 happened before. That's not coming out of nowhere, especially when 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.840 your father is who he is. That's not that's not surprising. 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.800 So when she started? So? Yeah, and in the past 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.879 few years she started acting as her father's press secretary, 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.920 scheduling events for him. She was doing she was doing 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:52.160 more writing on her own, um in various outlets, including 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.480 state run outlets, but also outlets in other countries. Um, 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:59.160 but definitely shifting more towards the kind of traditionalist durationism 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:03.920 Um side of politics. Earlier this year she was sanctioned 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:08.760 by both US and UK authorities, who under under accusations 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:14.959 that she was significantly contributing to online disinformation around Russia's invasion. Um. 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.800 And in an interview just a few months before her death, 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.320 Daria expressed pride that both she and her father had 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:23.840 been targeted by Western sanctions. They kind of she kind 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.359 of a wored as like as like a badge of 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:30.480 honor Um anti imperial in its filing, the UK office 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:35.360 of financial sanctions called a Dougin a frequent, high profile 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:39.560 contributor of disinformation in relation to Ukraine and the Russia 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:43.720 invasion of Ukraine on various online platforms. And to get 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.919 a sense of how she actually politically described herself in 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:51.360 the months before her death, in an interview from Mayo 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.879 She described herself as, quote, a political observer of the 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:59.439 International Eurastionist Movement and an expert in international relations. My 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.639 field of Ativity is in the analysis of European politics 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:09.200 and geopolitics. In this capacity, I appear on Russian, Pakistani, Turkish, 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:14.560 Chinese and Indian television channels, presenting a multipolar worldview of 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:18.919 political processes. For me, a particularly important issue is the 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.760 development of the multipolar world theory. It is clear that 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:26.720 the globalist movement is over and the end of liberalism 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:33.560 has come, the end of liberal history, unquote. So and 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.800 and guess, and guess what she thinks is going to 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:44.119 replace liberal history. It's it's just it's Orthodox traditionalist Russian fascism. Um, 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.840 she in that same interview, she described the war in 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:52.359 Ukraine as, quote, a clash between globalist and Eurasian civilization. 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:55.760 I'll let I'll let my friends in Kiev know what 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.840 they are. That's great, they'll be excited by that. Yeah, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:01.919 it is. It is. One of the things that's been 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.520 sort of interesting to me about this whole thing is like, okay, 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:06.560 so do you do? You can sort of comes out 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:10.199 of like like Russian National Bolshevism into some extent right. 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:12.240 But then, like if, if if you look at the propaganda 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.480 about Ukraine, it's like, okay, these people are all. These 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.680 people are all Nazis, but like also with their communists 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.560 and also they're gay, and it's like yes, well, that 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:25.159 that's the thing is like, you know, do people like 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:30.200 Dougan and Dougina, well, being absolutely fascists, can can pretend 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:35.480 to be against Nazis for various reasons. Um, Dougina definitely, uh, 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:40.160 and and do good as well. Are Are Pretty Homophobic, Um, 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:45.080 and they view gayness as a sign of like degenerate liberalism. 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.840 So like. But like they definitely walk that line between like, 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:50.560 but you know that, and that that's the thing. A 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:52.560 lot of that, like what Red Brown Alliance are National 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:55.280 Bolshevik type things do is walk that line and how 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.440 they how they try to present they're, you know, cultural 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:02.080 beliefs who are to heavily based in traditionalism versus their 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:06.760 versus their beliefs on like fascism and communism. Um, but 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:11.640 anyway we are. Let's see, and in her last ever interview, 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:15.479 which took place on the day of her death. Um, 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:19.720 do you said that quote? Western just Biggie, by the way, 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:31.240 I don't know who that is. God. Alright, we're doing 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:35.640 a big episode next you're of your homework for this week. 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.280 Please come back next week and do better. So in 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.840 in in her last ever interview, she said that, quote, 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:46.119 Western utilitarianism has come to an end and a special 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.399 military operation is, it seems to me, than the last 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:53.359 nail in the coffin of this world hedgemon Um. And 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:57.440 then later on the interview she talked about how environmentalism, 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:02.119 support for transgender people, quote, the conversion of a person 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:06.439 into a homosexual, unquote, as well as is and freaking 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:10.119 is um are tools with which the West is trying 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:15.840 to fragment society and reduce its population. Free my friends 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:19.640 who dumpster dived so they could buy more drugs fifteen 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.920 years ago. We're part of a conspiracy to fragment society. 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:27.479 It's not that cocaine was expensive and the fucking trader 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:32.639 Joe's didn't lock its dumpster. It's that, okay, awesome. So, yeah, so, 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:36.040 those those, those were the views that she exposed hours 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:41.080 before dying. So well, talking about the conversion of a 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:46.720 person into a homosexual, transgender people, freakani is Um as 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:50.840 being the things that are destroying the west. To be clear, 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.160 all of these things are based and showed in fact 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:56.000 destroy the West. Yeah, if the if, the thing that 0:24:56.119 --> 0:25:00.840 finally kills capitalism is dumpster diving teens, I be thrilled, 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:06.000 but I just don't see it happening. Uh. So, before 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:08.840 we get to the actual deed, let's set this stage 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:12.200 for where this, uh this event took place and where 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:17.200 everything went down. So it's August, a Saturday. Alexander Dugan 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:22.160 and UH Daria Dugina are attending this festival just outside 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:26.440