Speaker 1: On pictures of alexandrowoking moments after his daughter exploding in
Speaker 1: a car bomb. Again, I don't have any problems beating puppies.
Speaker 1: Oh No, this is recorded. Welcome, it could happen here,
Speaker 1: the podcast where Garrettson Davis is fine with violence against dogs. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: aw wow, cancellable, cancellable. deathly allergic to dogs, but they
Speaker 1: love you so much. So if people were, if people
Speaker 1: were going to pick an assassination method for me, just
Speaker 1: to get a whole bunch of dog Dander and rub
Speaker 1: it on my pillow and I'll be dead with I'll
Speaker 1: be doing the next morning. I've I've seen you get
Speaker 1: rubbed on by a bunch of dogs and you've you've
Speaker 1: never died yet. No, yeah, that's get uncomfortable and you
Speaker 1: have to use your inhaler and it's you know, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I just I just ignore that. You get
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and you have to use your in Halor, Roberts
Speaker 1: like that's great. I'm super thrilled with that out Um,
Speaker 1: you know what other outcome I'm thrilled with? So sick transition.
Speaker 1: So we are talking about the assassination of Alexander Dugan's daughter.
Speaker 1: It's IT'S A it's a, it's it's kind of a
Speaker 1: wild story. There's a lot of weird things going on.
Speaker 1: We still don't know much about what actually happened. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of conflicting theories, a lot of experts
Speaker 1: who are saying different things, quote unquote, experts who are
Speaker 1: saying different things. Uh, it's it's wild. But I have
Speaker 1: a little right up here that we're going to go
Speaker 1: through based on what I assume everyone's questions will be
Speaker 1: about this assassination. UH, first thing, probably before we before
Speaker 1: we get into Alexander Dugan's daughter, I guess it's probably
Speaker 1: worth clarifying who Alexander Dugan is, because to understand the
Speaker 1: nature of this assassination and possible motives, it's important to
Speaker 1: know who he is as a person. So I know
Speaker 1: we've talked about Dugan on the show before kind of briefly,
Speaker 1: but Alexander Dugan is a Russian traditionalist, neo fascist political theorist. Um,
Speaker 1: some people call him a philosopher. I think that's being
Speaker 1: a little generous. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he was born
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty two into a high ranking military family
Speaker 1: and Dugan spent his early years as an anti communist
Speaker 1: dissident in the collapsing Soviet Union. He joined various a
Speaker 1: dissident ultra nationalist, occult Anti Semitic and Fascist groups or
Speaker 1: collectives that sprung up during the last two decades of
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. Uh, in the nineties he was one
Speaker 1: of the founders of the Russian National Bolshevik Party, which
Speaker 1: he left in the late nineties because the party was
Speaker 1: not fascist enough. Um. So he he left the political
Speaker 1: party he helped, he helped start because it was it
Speaker 1: had too many of the Bolshevik parts of the National
Speaker 1: Bolshevik Party. Um He he kind of carries on some
Speaker 1: of the traditionalist political philosophy from Twentieth Century Esoteric Fascist
Speaker 1: writers like Julius Sevola, whose book on Pagan Imperialism Dugan
Speaker 1: translated into Russian. Just as a brief bit of context
Speaker 1: for people. Now you know their fascism and communism are
Speaker 1: are portrayed as in strict, strict opposition to each other.
Speaker 1: But if we're going back to the twenties and thirties,
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys had a lot of things
Speaker 1: in common. There were times where the Communist Party of
Speaker 1: Germany and the Nazis would fight the cops together. Um.
Speaker 1: There were people in the Nazi party who were more
Speaker 1: or less national bolsheviks in terms of their political outlook. Um,
Speaker 1: and they were all murdered on the night of long knives.
Speaker 1: Like the Nazi party had a left wing that it purged. Anyway.
Speaker 1: This is just like, this is not coming out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: This isn't a new development, and the thing with Dugan
Speaker 1: is that he really is does carry on that type
Speaker 1: of Red Brown alliance idea with a lot of his politics,
Speaker 1: of of of bringing together some of the more harder
Speaker 1: fascists with some people who are more like authoritarian communists, Um,
Speaker 1: and we see that with the National Bolshevik Party. At
Speaker 1: this point. Dugan is probably most known for his influence
Speaker 1: on Contemporary Russian politics, the NEO Eurasianism ideology, his writing
Speaker 1: on the multi polar world theory and his fourth political
Speaker 1: theory about the ascension of Russia as the world's like
Speaker 1: traditionalist political power, Um, and usurping the kind of political
Speaker 1: dominance of the United States. And Dugan's NEO EURASIANISM is
Speaker 1: described by Antonslav, an eastern European far right scholar, as, quote,
Speaker 1: a form of Fascist ideology centered on the idea of
Speaker 1: revolutionizing the Russian society and building a tolitarian Russian domin
Speaker 1: needed Eurasian Empire that would challenge and eventually defeat its
Speaker 1: eternal adversary, represented by the United States and it's atlanticist allies,
Speaker 1: less springing about a new golden age of global political
Speaker 1: and cultural illiberalism, unquote. So it's it's very centered in
Speaker 1: just being against the ideas of liberalism and being against
Speaker 1: like globalist liberalism, like actual like globalization, Um, and still
Speaker 1: carrying over a lot of influences from esoteric writers like
Speaker 1: Julius Sevola in terms of like kids, anti modern, anti
Speaker 1: liberal politics based in like traditional, anti multicultural right this. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of if you've ever seen someone screaming about
Speaker 1: like Global Homo or something like, that's probably one of
Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah, and that that Dugan's daughter actually, in
Speaker 1: her last ever interview, talks about that a little bit
Speaker 1: and we're yeah, yeah, like there's there's there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the US who like see this
Speaker 1: ship and like mistake it for anti imperialism, and it's
Speaker 1: basically because like they've lost the ability to like conceive
Speaker 1: of an empire that isn't the US, Britain or France,
Speaker 1: and even that's tenuous and it's like guys like from
Speaker 1: a lot of these commibal accounts, you get the attitude
Speaker 1: that like, well, only the United States is capable of
Speaker 1: being imperialism, which is just then just say you're anti us,
Speaker 1: just say you're anti the United States, because you're not
Speaker 1: anti imperialism. Because, let me tell you something, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of empires in history. Controversial statement from Robert Evans.
Speaker 1: Quite quite a few different empires over time. They're not
Speaker 1: all America press probably worth like pointing out the Russia
Speaker 1: asset exists. Is An empire, right, it's just a contiguous one.
Speaker 1: It's it's one that that is joined by land separated
Speaker 1: by seas. Doesn't still be being an empire? Yes, as
Speaker 1: as we can see, with them trying to expand into Ukraine,
Speaker 1: which is heavily influenced itself by some of the theory
Speaker 1: that Dugan was writing from the nineties up until now
Speaker 1: um and then, kind of in reference to Dugan's influence
Speaker 1: on contemporary Russian politics, especially since Russia's so far failed
Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine, Dugan is often referred to as, quote unquote,
Speaker 1: Putin's brain or, quote unquote, Putin's Resputin Um. And while
Speaker 1: he is well connected and has and while he is
Speaker 1: certainly well connected and has quite a bit of influence
Speaker 1: in Russia and the global far right movement in general,
Speaker 1: the degree to which he holds significant power in the
Speaker 1: decisions that Putin makes is definitely heavily contested among actual
Speaker 1: political experts. We think some of the whole Putin's brain
Speaker 1: and Putin's like resputent thing is a little bit over emphasis,
Speaker 1: over emphasized with sometimes Dugan's never held off, there's Dugan,
Speaker 1: Dugan's never we we we don't even have a picture
Speaker 1: of Dugan and Puttin together, like we don't even know
Speaker 1: if they've actually like been in the same room. We
Speaker 1: don't know if the same person, the same person. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's correct, Chris. The thing that is important to know
Speaker 1: about Putin as regards Dugan because again, as garrison said,
Speaker 1: not trying to make a statement here about the degree
Speaker 1: like saying that he is or is not any kind
Speaker 1: of influence, but Vladimir Putin has been doing this, has
Speaker 1: been working towards the where he is now for decades
Speaker 1: and is a guy who has had a view of
Speaker 1: the world for decades that he's worked towards making real
Speaker 1: um and it's not a view of the world that
Speaker 1: you need to be. Dugan's an esotericist, like you do
Speaker 1: not need to think Esoteric Lee to understand what Vladimir
Speaker 1: Putin is doing. He wants to reunite the Russian imperial
Speaker 1: project that fell apart when the Soviet Union did, using
Speaker 1: violence and whatever other means he can do, which is
Speaker 1: why he's gone done what he's done in Georgia. Um,
Speaker 1: it's why he's done doing what he's doing in Ukraine.
Speaker 1: This is not like complicated. Understanding Putin's motivations are is
Speaker 1: not hard. I think a lot of people have kind
Speaker 1: of leaned into that Putin's brain thing, especially since the
Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine, because in in Dugan's seminal nineteen nineties,
Speaker 1: seven book the foundations of geopolitics, Dugan lays out his
Speaker 1: vision to divide the world up and calling for Russia
Speaker 1: to rebuild this influence through annexations and alliances. Well, all
Speaker 1: in a heavy opposition to Ukraine as a sovereign state,
Speaker 1: and a lot of Dugan's writing has been about trying
Speaker 1: to reconquer Ukraine and absorb it into Russia. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's a useful guy, but yeah, I guess. And
Speaker 1: like the the in an article from the from the Guardian,
Speaker 1: that I was I was using for one of the
Speaker 1: sources for this episode. They they claim that the foundations
Speaker 1: of geopolitics was a very popular book in the Russian
Speaker 1: General Staff Academy. Um, and kind of was. Was One
Speaker 1: of the things that shifted Dugan from like a weird
Speaker 1: esoteric dissident to actually becoming a more influential and prominent
Speaker 1: pillar of the conservative establishment inside Russia. Um, as as
Speaker 1: Dugan's writing evolved, started to emphasize less, the more esoteric
Speaker 1: elements his writing did, did get more popular in Russia. Um.
Speaker 1: But at this point he is stronger as a symbol, uh,
Speaker 1: less so than having actual personal influence over decision making.
Speaker 1: You know what does have influence of your decision making?
Speaker 1: They have influence of your decision making. You're you're the
Speaker 1: sub the sublemental messages that we've been placing insider ads
Speaker 1: for the past three years. Um. That leads that that
Speaker 1: has been an esotary project of of of my design
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Speaker 1: I think it's now actually time to talk about the
Speaker 1: the actual casualty this assassination, which is not Alexander Dugan,
Speaker 1: instead Gina U Daria, dead, Gaina more like it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she was. She was. She was born on December
Speaker 1: fifte n Daria herself was a Russian journalist and far
Speaker 1: right activist who was very vocal in support of the well,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, she, she, she did work for a
Speaker 1: number of journalists of journalism outlets, not only Russia, including
Speaker 1: in France, like she. She she did. She was a journalist. Um,
Speaker 1: she did work. It wasn't very good. She's a bad person, um,
Speaker 1: but she worked for a few French outlets. Um, she
Speaker 1: was very vocal in support of the invasion of Ukraine.
Speaker 1: In accordance with her father's political theories, she studied at
Speaker 1: the Moscow State University, specializing in the political philosophy of
Speaker 1: late neoplatonism. So you already know she's going to be
Speaker 1: really annoying. Anyone tries to describe that degree program to me,
Speaker 1: I might hit them like absolutely no. Yeah, we, we, we, we, we, we.
Speaker 1: We have, in that one sentence alone, laid out justification
Speaker 1: for assassination. Okay, well, okay, come on, I think I
Speaker 1: think that's a bit too far. I'm gonna say right
Speaker 1: now I bought property with land so that when people
Speaker 1: say the word Neo platonism around me I can get
Speaker 1: rid of the body. So here's some fun facts about
Speaker 1: about Daria. She played the flute. Um, she was she
Speaker 1: was in her she was in a band, I think
Speaker 1: in college, uh, called Jason May refuse, which was an
Speaker 1: electronic music band. Now, Dason. I bet her ship did
Speaker 1: actually rock. It probably did. Slap of, I mean like
Speaker 1: and this, and this was when she was less of
Speaker 1: a fascist actually. Um, now, just in terms of something
Speaker 1: that kind of an interesting note here. So dason translates
Speaker 1: to here being, which was, which is one of Alexander
Speaker 1: Dugan's favorite favorite terms. It's it's related to the philosophical
Speaker 1: concepts uh espposed by Martin Heideger. Yes, so it's it's
Speaker 1: just a little nerdy reference to both her father. I
Speaker 1: guess she was probably exposed to the phrase via her father,
Speaker 1: but it's a hideger reference. So she named her electronic
Speaker 1: music band off of Hideker. If you're trying to kill
Speaker 1: her ghost now, which is pretty funny. Yeah, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're in a band with a hiding a reference to
Speaker 1: leave that band now. But but yeah, when she when
Speaker 1: she was in the university, her friends say she actually
Speaker 1: she actually wasn't really into her dad or her dad's politics. Um,
Speaker 1: her her friends talk about that. When she when she
Speaker 1: was in university, she really liked Um, guide to board. Um,
Speaker 1: she was interested in some of the more yeah, like
Speaker 1: just quickly, as like a lot of popular stuff on
Speaker 1: the left. Now ship like a crime thing, but also
Speaker 1: stuff like Um ad busters is influenced by guided boy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean also like the French Revolution in Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was arrived for a hundred and twenty years and
Speaker 1: never aged. He was also, I will say this is
Speaker 1: a thing a lot of people don't know about, the
Speaker 1: board was influential in the development of war games and
Speaker 1: and is part of the intellectual tradition that gave us warhammer.
Speaker 1: That that that actually makes a lot of sense. Makes it?
Speaker 1: It makes complete sense. Yeah, yeah, but but yeah, so
Speaker 1: she was. She was into stuff like that in yeah,
Speaker 1: I must I don't think. I don't think she would
Speaker 1: have described herself as that. Um, but that was the
Speaker 1: types of stuff that she liked talking about and that
Speaker 1: was the types of groups that she was involved with.
Speaker 1: She she never talking about her father, and her father
Speaker 1: was already a very popular um person at this time,
Speaker 1: specifically inside Russian universities. But she, she was. She did
Speaker 1: not drive with that type of stuff. Um. And then
Speaker 1: by by the end of her kind of time in university,
Speaker 1: she started shifting more towards what her friends described as orthodoxy. Um.
Speaker 1: I would say it's like she she should more towards
Speaker 1: her father's traditionalist stuff. I'm not sure what exactly caused
Speaker 1: this shift to happen, Um, but here's a quote from
Speaker 1: one of her friends quote. It was strange because before
Speaker 1: that she has not shown any interest in him and
Speaker 1: her father had no influence on her. Um. And it's so, yeah,
Speaker 1: something by the by the end she by the by
Speaker 1: the end of her time in university and she got
Speaker 1: and by the time she was out of university, Um,
Speaker 1: she actually just became an activist with the International Eurasianism
Speaker 1: movement of do again and began to arrange lectures for
Speaker 1: her father and came a very active supporter of his.
Speaker 1: And then after that she started writing for state run
Speaker 1: news outlets like rt and running parts of her father's website,
Speaker 1: where she was then listed as his press secretary, and
Speaker 1: started to appear at the events of the Eurasian Movement
Speaker 1: as a speaker as well. So she she shifted in
Speaker 1: like the last like probably ten fifteen years past, like
Speaker 1: ten years she was shifting more towards her father, even
Speaker 1: though when she was in her twenties she was more
Speaker 1: into some of the French leftist stuff. That doesn't surprise
Speaker 1: number one it's pretty normal for young people to rebel
Speaker 1: against their parents in that era and be interested in
Speaker 1: stuff outside of it. And like, I think there's a
Speaker 1: couple of different ways this could have gone, but a
Speaker 1: thing that makes total sense to me is that she's rebellious.
Speaker 1: She explores some things. The primary things she learns is
Speaker 1: that life out there is hard and like making a
Speaker 1: living on your own and completely like is difficult and
Speaker 1: her dad had a lot of influence and she can
Speaker 1: make a lot of money working for him, and so
Speaker 1: back back she goes. I don't know, she lost. She
Speaker 1: lost a lot of her friends over this because when
Speaker 1: she started doing stuff with her dad, her friends who
Speaker 1: are like situations, people are like no, funk that, we're
Speaker 1: not going to hang out with you. Yeah, it's, it's,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of actually a bomber. Like I, I only,
Speaker 1: I only, I only got to this part of her life, Um,
Speaker 1: a few days ago when I was doing the research,
Speaker 1: and this is actually something I stumbled upon later into
Speaker 1: my research for this episode, because I was basically, I
Speaker 1: was Mo only focused on the actual assassination part Um
Speaker 1: and I when I found this, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's actually kind of sad. Yeah, I will say I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is at work here, but there
Speaker 1: is a thing in like there is a current in
Speaker 1: their French al tip left like after sixty eight, like
Speaker 1: going into the seventies and eighties, that gets like really
Speaker 1: fucking weird and kind of ghost fascist based around. It's
Speaker 1: it's a long story. Whe there's there's a whole thing
Speaker 1: about a guy who was like sort of involved in
Speaker 1: the alto left circles, who was like I think he'd
Speaker 1: been in he'd been in a concentration camp, but he'd
Speaker 1: been in one of the ones that like wasn't an
Speaker 1: extermination camp, and he started doing like Holocaust denial, and
Speaker 1: there's like this whole fucking thing where like a bunch
Speaker 1: of these people like kind of went really like went
Speaker 1: really fucking weird. The rest of people, like the rest
Speaker 1: of Alto, left his own them and like they like
Speaker 1: we're kind of involved a bunch of the sort of
Speaker 1: like the like founding the French neo fascism. It's not like.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not a path that like has never
Speaker 1: happened before. That's not coming out of nowhere, especially when
Speaker 1: your father is who he is. That's not that's not surprising.
Speaker 1: So when she started? So? Yeah, and in the past
Speaker 1: few years she started acting as her father's press secretary,
Speaker 1: scheduling events for him. She was doing she was doing
Speaker 1: more writing on her own, um in various outlets, including
Speaker 1: state run outlets, but also outlets in other countries. Um,
Speaker 1: but definitely shifting more towards the kind of traditionalist durationism
Speaker 1: Um side of politics. Earlier this year she was sanctioned
Speaker 1: by both US and UK authorities, who under under accusations
Speaker 1: that she was significantly contributing to online disinformation around Russia's invasion. Um.
Speaker 1: And in an interview just a few months before her death,
Speaker 1: Daria expressed pride that both she and her father had
Speaker 1: been targeted by Western sanctions. They kind of she kind
Speaker 1: of a wored as like as like a badge of
Speaker 1: honor Um anti imperial in its filing, the UK office
Speaker 1: of financial sanctions called a Dougin a frequent, high profile
Speaker 1: contributor of disinformation in relation to Ukraine and the Russia
Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine on various online platforms. And to get
Speaker 1: a sense of how she actually politically described herself in
Speaker 1: the months before her death, in an interview from Mayo
Speaker 1: She described herself as, quote, a political observer of the
Speaker 1: International Eurastionist Movement and an expert in international relations. My
Speaker 1: field of Ativity is in the analysis of European politics
Speaker 1: and geopolitics. In this capacity, I appear on Russian, Pakistani, Turkish,
Speaker 1: Chinese and Indian television channels, presenting a multipolar worldview of
Speaker 1: political processes. For me, a particularly important issue is the
Speaker 1: development of the multipolar world theory. It is clear that
Speaker 1: the globalist movement is over and the end of liberalism
Speaker 1: has come, the end of liberal history, unquote. So and
Speaker 1: and guess, and guess what she thinks is going to
Speaker 1: replace liberal history. It's it's just it's Orthodox traditionalist Russian fascism. Um,
Speaker 1: she in that same interview, she described the war in
Speaker 1: Ukraine as, quote, a clash between globalist and Eurasian civilization.
Speaker 1: I'll let I'll let my friends in Kiev know what
Speaker 1: they are. That's great, they'll be excited by that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It is. One of the things that's been
Speaker 1: sort of interesting to me about this whole thing is like, okay,
Speaker 1: so do you do? You can sort of comes out
Speaker 1: of like like Russian National Bolshevism into some extent right.
Speaker 1: But then, like if, if if you look at the propaganda
Speaker 1: about Ukraine, it's like, okay, these people are all. These
Speaker 1: people are all Nazis, but like also with their communists
Speaker 1: and also they're gay, and it's like yes, well, that
Speaker 1: that's the thing is like, you know, do people like
Speaker 1: Dougan and Dougina, well, being absolutely fascists, can can pretend
Speaker 1: to be against Nazis for various reasons. Um, Dougina definitely, uh,
Speaker 1: and and do good as well. Are Are Pretty Homophobic, Um,
Speaker 1: and they view gayness as a sign of like degenerate liberalism.
Speaker 1: So like. But like they definitely walk that line between like,
Speaker 1: but you know that, and that that's the thing. A
Speaker 1: lot of that, like what Red Brown Alliance are National
Speaker 1: Bolshevik type things do is walk that line and how
Speaker 1: they how they try to present they're, you know, cultural
Speaker 1: beliefs who are to heavily based in traditionalism versus their
Speaker 1: versus their beliefs on like fascism and communism. Um, but
Speaker 1: anyway we are. Let's see, and in her last ever interview,
Speaker 1: which took place on the day of her death. Um,
Speaker 1: do you said that quote? Western just Biggie, by the way,
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. God. Alright, we're doing
Speaker 1: a big episode next you're of your homework for this week.
Speaker 1: Please come back next week and do better. So in
Speaker 1: in in her last ever interview, she said that, quote,
Speaker 1: Western utilitarianism has come to an end and a special
Speaker 1: military operation is, it seems to me, than the last
Speaker 1: nail in the coffin of this world hedgemon Um. And
Speaker 1: then later on the interview she talked about how environmentalism,
Speaker 1: support for transgender people, quote, the conversion of a person
Speaker 1: into a homosexual, unquote, as well as is and freaking
Speaker 1: is um are tools with which the West is trying
Speaker 1: to fragment society and reduce its population. Free my friends
Speaker 1: who dumpster dived so they could buy more drugs fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago. We're part of a conspiracy to fragment society.
Speaker 1: It's not that cocaine was expensive and the fucking trader
Speaker 1: Joe's didn't lock its dumpster. It's that, okay, awesome. So, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: those those, those were the views that she exposed hours
Speaker 1: before dying. So well, talking about the conversion of a
Speaker 1: person into a homosexual, transgender people, freakani is Um as
Speaker 1: being the things that are destroying the west. To be clear,
Speaker 1: all of these things are based and showed in fact
Speaker 1: destroy the West. Yeah, if the if, the thing that
Speaker 1: finally kills capitalism is dumpster diving teens, I be thrilled,
Speaker 1: but I just don't see it happening. Uh. So, before
Speaker 1: we get to the actual deed, let's set this stage
Speaker 1: for where this, uh this event took place and where
Speaker 1: everything went down. So it's August, a Saturday. Alexander Dugan
Speaker 1: and UH Daria Dugina are attending this festival just outside
Speaker 1: of Moscow, where Dugan's making a planned appearance that Um
Speaker 1: and he gave a lecture that Saturday evening at this festival. Now,
Speaker 1: the festival was called the tradition quote unquote. Tradition is
Speaker 1: what's whatever ever everything calls it. So I wonder what
Speaker 1: the festivals about. Huh, appreciation of the headline song from
Speaker 1: the play fiddler on the roof, best sung by zero Mostel.
Speaker 1: Look it up. It's an incredible performance. That must have
Speaker 1: been it right. So the tradition festival is billed as, quote,
Speaker 1: a Patriotic Cultural Festival and family event for art, literature
Speaker 1: and Music Lovers. Just the last thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: So it's basically it's it's this traditionalist, kind of quasi
Speaker 1: fascist like art festival for people who like Neo platonism,
Speaker 1: is what it actually is. Of It. It takes place
Speaker 1: in Zarkava manner. It's this, it's this biggest state, about
Speaker 1: twelve miles away from Moscow. Um, the tradition festival is
Speaker 1: supported by the Presidential Fund for Cultural Initiatives, the Ministry
Speaker 1: of Culture and tourism for the Moscow region, among a
Speaker 1: few other kind of sponsors, and both Daria and her
Speaker 1: father were special guests at this year's festival. Um. In
Speaker 1: an interview, a colleague of Dugina's said that the conversation
Speaker 1: topics at the festival between Duke and his daughter and
Speaker 1: other tradition festival attendees Um. They said they said this
Speaker 1: in an interview. Quote. We talked about the Russian idea,
Speaker 1: the empire and the cultural war. Unquote. So that's just
Speaker 1: like the regular conversations you're having at this festival. To
Speaker 1: give you a sense of like what this thing actually is. Um,
Speaker 1: and the blast that eventually that did kill uh Dugan's
Speaker 1: daughter happened shortly after DNA left the tradition festival Um
Speaker 1: at the estate where her father had given a lecture
Speaker 1: just hours previous. Um, do you know? Who? Do you
Speaker 1: know who won't blow up? And I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say that. Look, I'm gonna say right now.
Speaker 1: If you are planning to assassinate a member of the
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Speaker 1: This is, this is, this is what I'm gonna do,
Speaker 1: in between stealing old pumpkin spice coffee from the trader
Speaker 1: Joe's dumpster. Unbelievable. I will do. I will do a traditionalist,
Speaker 1: because pumpkin spice coffee is destroying the West. We have
Speaker 1: to kill it. Yeah, Robert, Robert and Daniel fucking love
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Speaker 1: any wayship, I don't want to Yuck you, yum. I'm happy.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I would like to Robert,
Speaker 1: Oh my God, here's that break. You know what? Yes,
Speaker 1: we are, we are back. Um, I'M gonna open up
Speaker 1: with a quote. Love quotes from the Brom. I don't
Speaker 1: know who that I don't know what that is. Oh,
Speaker 1: the bomb. Yeah, Mr Bomb, when you exploded, what's going
Speaker 1: through your head? Then we are thinking about hot staria Duina.
Speaker 1: But no, it's actually no, no, perfect. We're finishing assassination
Speaker 1: week to actually to actually justify some of our kind
Speaker 1: of glee at this happening, because Dugan is a horrible person.
Speaker 1: They're both trash. Yeah, I am going to read a
Speaker 1: quote from Port Sour in the Guardian. Quote. On Saturday night,
Speaker 1: the violence that the alternationalist Russian thinker Alexander ducan has
Speaker 1: propagandized for decades suddenly entered his own life when his
Speaker 1: daughter was killed in a car bomb on the outskirts
Speaker 1: of Moscow. I think that's a really important thing that, like,
Speaker 1: he's made his entire career off of doing violence on
Speaker 1: other people and and promoting genocides on people that he
Speaker 1: doesn't like. They are a people I know who are
Speaker 1: dead because of the war that he and his daughter
Speaker 1: urged to happen. So, yeah, like it's it's it's what it's,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's the same thing as like when every
Speaker 1: single fucking Nicon Gould dies, like no one should no
Speaker 1: one show, no one should feel bad about them at all,
Speaker 1: because we spent they dedicated their entire lives to having
Speaker 1: another country be invaded and having all these people killed
Speaker 1: their lives destroyed. So fuck them. But yeah, the violence,
Speaker 1: the violence that he's fetishized and and propagandized for decades
Speaker 1: has has actually entered his life for like the first
Speaker 1: time now. And funny. So, after giving a talk at
Speaker 1: the festival, Dugan and his daughter were due to leave
Speaker 1: the venue together in the same car, but at the
Speaker 1: last minute Dugan decided to travel separately and take different vehicle.
Speaker 1: He was stepped off by the C I A, according
Speaker 1: to a friend of the family. Now, because at the
Speaker 1: last minute he did decide to take another vehicle, this
Speaker 1: actually has spawned a lot of conspiracy theories, Um, which
Speaker 1: will kind of get into it a bit later. But
Speaker 1: but this, this is what happened, is that they were
Speaker 1: they were they were going to leave together and the
Speaker 1: last minute they decided to take separate vehicles. Um, five
Speaker 1: minutes later, while do you note, was driving a Toyota
Speaker 1: Land Cruiser on the highway. That makes the tragedy. That's
Speaker 1: a fine car. It didn't deserve to in that way, Robert.
Speaker 1: Why couldn't it? Why couldn't it have been afford some
Speaker 1: sometimes sacrifices are necessary for the cause. Land Cruiser, on
Speaker 1: a flag. Let's put let's let's all pull one out
Speaker 1: for comrade Toyota Land Cruiser. You served us well. You
Speaker 1: made the ultimate sacrifice so that mankind might be free
Speaker 1: to go off roading. So as as as as she
Speaker 1: was driving this Tyota Land Cruiser on the highway, a
Speaker 1: bomb exploded in her car, killing her immediately and sadly
Speaker 1: ripping the vehicle apart Um. Witnesses say, debris was thrown
Speaker 1: all over the road as the Toyota Land Cruiser immediately
Speaker 1: lost control and crashed into a fence and engulfed in flames.
Speaker 1: Was No stuff. Yeah, I mean a really solid assassination.
Speaker 1: It is, what's one of the better executed ones, especially,
Speaker 1: especially for a car. It's one of the most impressive
Speaker 1: car bomb attacks that has ever happened. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: car bomb, that car bomb killed nobody, but yeah, that
Speaker 1: was quite a cab. It was a big moon. We
Speaker 1: thought that was an air strike. Yes, yes, definite, a
Speaker 1: large cob so um eye witnesses called the fire Brigrade,
Speaker 1: but by the time they arrived the entire car was
Speaker 1: up in flames and firefighters only found one badly burnt
Speaker 1: corpse in the remains of the vehicle. So investigators say
Speaker 1: an explicit device planted under the car went off in
Speaker 1: the vehicle caught fire. This happened about twelve miles west
Speaker 1: of Moscow, on in the village near the village of
Speaker 1: Oh boy, you don't need to try that. Nobody needs
Speaker 1: the Zimmi. Okay, near near the village of Bullshower, vel Zimmy,
Speaker 1: at around nine thirty PM local time. Investigators do believe
Speaker 1: the bombing was, quote, premeditated and moment just walking down
Speaker 1: the street with a bomb. M Why not? Was Wasn't?
Speaker 1: It wasn't a vehicle error. This was the planting. No
Speaker 1: forward or a Chevy, a pinto. Yeah, if if a
Speaker 1: fucking F one fifty goes up like that, I'm blaming Ford.
Speaker 1: But no, must have been a bombing. So the bomb
Speaker 1: was placed under the car on the driver's side. Now,
Speaker 1: a friend of the family named Andre Krasnov, who's also
Speaker 1: the head of the Russia Horizon Social Movement. Um, was
Speaker 1: one of the first ones to confirm the reports of
Speaker 1: of Daria's death and but also said that the bomb
Speaker 1: could have actually been intended for her father, and he
Speaker 1: gave this quote to media. Quote. This was the father's vehicle.
Speaker 1: Daria was driving another car, but she took his car. Today,
Speaker 1: while Alexander went in a different way, he returned. He
Speaker 1: was at the side of the tragedy. As far as
Speaker 1: I understand, Alexander, or probably them together, were the target. Unquote.
Speaker 1: Now this is this is just speculation. Actually, Um, from
Speaker 1: what I can tell, there is actually more evidence suggesting
Speaker 1: the car was indeed registered to Daria Dugina. We I
Speaker 1: don't believe it is her father's car. Uh. We there was.
Speaker 1: Some of the vehicle registration was leaked by a Russian
Speaker 1: opposition UH news news site, like a news site in
Speaker 1: in Russia, who's not state funded. Uh, leaked the car registration.
Speaker 1: It was registered to Daria, not, not, not Alexander Dugan. Um. So,
Speaker 1: but it is very likely that Dugan may have been
Speaker 1: a target as well, like, very extremely likely. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's hard, it's it's hard to say. Uh. Now in
Speaker 1: one of the funniest parts of the assassination, footage posted
Speaker 1: on telegram appears to show Mr Dugan walking up to
Speaker 1: the side of the crash. Hey In shock, with his
Speaker 1: with his mouth just gaping open and hands on his
Speaker 1: head like he's like this surprised. It's one of the
Speaker 1: funniest things I've ever seen. He's walking up to the
Speaker 1: side of the crash like Oh, it's very that is
Speaker 1: that is the that's the sound of the face he's making.
Speaker 1: Is Um we we love to see a wizard in distress.
Speaker 1: So sad wizard. So the attack happened on Saturday and
Speaker 1: then come Monday, the Federal Security Service, or the the
Speaker 1: FSB uh, said that the murder has been solved. Come, come, come,
Speaker 1: the next Monday. And this is this is not true.
Speaker 1: This is what we call a lie. From the FS. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's that's really disappointing and untruth. Yeah, that's wow. From
Speaker 1: the Russian FBI. No, no intelligent services ever told a lie.
Speaker 1: UN that's disappointing. So so, yeah, according according to according
Speaker 1: to the F FSB uh, the the attack was mastermind
Speaker 1: by the Ukrainian secret services and carried out by an
Speaker 1: ace of Ukrainian national names. Batalia Vulk who fled? Last name, yeah, on,
Speaker 1: Johnny Racist keep the fan did it again. Who fled
Speaker 1: to Estoda, uh Estonia, following the killing? Um, so, Russia,
Speaker 1: Russia's FBS did a very brief investigation. Yes, sorry, Russia.
Speaker 1: Russia's FSB did a very brief investigation. Claimed that it
Speaker 1: was this female Ukrainian citizen, Um and that, and that
Speaker 1: she fled the next day, which was Sunday. Ukraine says,
Speaker 1: uh Nah, uh, not really. Yeah, that is that Ukraine
Speaker 1: has made. UH, yeah, kind at that noise. It's one
Speaker 1: of those things. I would not be surprised, obviously, if
Speaker 1: Ukraine did it and they have the people responsible or
Speaker 1: some of their network are still in country. Of course
Speaker 1: you you make a denial, but if Ukraine did it
Speaker 1: and they were out of the country, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: why they wouldn't be like yeah, man, we fucking did yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're at war. I'll read the actual statements. So
Speaker 1: Ukrainian official dismissed the accusations of Ukraine's involvement in the incident. Quote. Ukraine,
Speaker 1: of course, has has nothing to do with this, because
Speaker 1: we are not a criminal state, which is the Russian Federation,
Speaker 1: and even less a terrorist state, said Uh Mike Helio PODILLAC,
Speaker 1: who is an advisor to President Zelinski. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean maybe Ukraine obviously denies involvement in this. Um, there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of people it could be. Could be Ukraine,
Speaker 1: could be the CIA, could be Ukraine and the CIA
Speaker 1: could be the FSB, or a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of people have a lot of people have theorized all
Speaker 1: of those things. Yeah, there's really no way to know
Speaker 1: a lot of yeah, are we are we going to
Speaker 1: get into the person who destinated the barb, more like
Speaker 1: the car that? We don't. We don't. We don't know
Speaker 1: what actually happened. I'm going to get to some a
Speaker 1: bit later, but some of the actual mechanisms that caused
Speaker 1: it to happen are are still unclear, because because the
Speaker 1: FSB is not like Gavin us any definitive evidence on
Speaker 1: how this thing actually worked. But the head of the UH,
Speaker 1: the Nets People's Republic, they they issued their own statement
Speaker 1: on telegram saying vile villains, the terrorists of Scoundrel so
Speaker 1: they're just they're just doing a Cobra commander. That's awesome
Speaker 1: to Alexander Dugan blew up his daughter in a car.
Speaker 1: We cherished the memory of Daria. She is a real
Speaker 1: Russian girl, as if that makes it worse, like if
Speaker 1: they've blown her up some other way, it would not
Speaker 1: have been his vile but car. I just lived at
Speaker 1: the end. It was. She was a real Russian girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like Pinocchio. It's very funny. So some, some politicians
Speaker 1: and experts, quote UNQUOTE EXPERTS, I've said that Putin himself
Speaker 1: may have orchestrated the bombing, with little to new evidence
Speaker 1: and support of that theory. There was a British member
Speaker 1: of parliament said that Putin may have targeted Dugan over
Speaker 1: recent criticisms man against his government, which I find to
Speaker 1: be very uh. Putin's gotten rid of a shipload of
Speaker 1: guys who used to be close to him lately, and
Speaker 1: he didn't use car pomps for they commit suicide, they
Speaker 1: get sick. You know, a lot of many historians or
Speaker 1: like you know, extremism kind of researchers are definitely kind
Speaker 1: of eyeing up the the FSB um. It's you know,
Speaker 1: it's but it's it's really it's it's really unclear. There
Speaker 1: was UH. People have proposed that, like this, this attack
Speaker 1: was orchestrated to kind of create a wave of needed
Speaker 1: anger in Russia six months into their failed invasion. Had
Speaker 1: that worked for him? Ruslan Trad a security researcher in
Speaker 1: the in the US think tank Atlantic Council, proposed that
Speaker 1: the the the FSB UH or or other Russian state
Speaker 1: kind of apparatus is could have been involved, saying it's
Speaker 1: evident that the murder Dugeana created a wave of needed
Speaker 1: anger in Russia, and that quote. Dugan is now mostly
Speaker 1: a symbol, not an instrument for the state. His role
Speaker 1: in the creation of current Kremlin mythology for Eurasia and
Speaker 1: the so called Russian world has already ended, and he
Speaker 1: and he can be sacrificed. Currently, the Russian army needs
Speaker 1: victories and a patriotic flame, so they're kind of him
Speaker 1: posing that he was. It was like this like symbolic
Speaker 1: sacrifice that like we sacrificed this figure. That means this
Speaker 1: thing people will be willing to like keep on fighting.
Speaker 1: The Ukrainians literally have literally bombed and struck inside Russia
Speaker 1: at this point and killed fifty plus of their children.
Speaker 1: You would think that would be enough to make the
Speaker 1: Russians angry, like blowing up this Weirdo's daughter isn't going
Speaker 1: to be the thing that Galvini is the nation. To
Speaker 1: be clear, though, this is the kind of dumb ship
Speaker 1: the Atlantic Council will be. A stupid Atlantic Council ship. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and one of the one of the funnier explanations that
Speaker 1: our theories being posited is by former Russian state deputy
Speaker 1: uh Eliya Pomrov Um, who is now in so, in
Speaker 1: an appearance on his Russian language opposition TV channel and Kiev,
Speaker 1: alleged that that Duino was killed by Russian partisans from
Speaker 1: a previously unknown anti Putin terrorist group dubbed the National
Speaker 1: Republican Army, and that both Dugan and his daughter were targets. And,
Speaker 1: according to this guy, the group authorized him to issue
Speaker 1: their manifesto via his telegram channel. Um, this group is
Speaker 1: entirely made up. This is not real. This is this,
Speaker 1: is like this, like this, like this, like former Russians, this,
Speaker 1: this is, like this, this, this former Russian official turned
Speaker 1: this like Ukrainian Lib Guy, who claims that it's this
Speaker 1: secret to Anti Putin liberal terrorist group that contacted him.
Speaker 1: And this is this is the first ever attack. That's
Speaker 1: that they're they're going public as this new terrorist group.
Speaker 1: And I'M gonna I'm gonna say this is the only
Speaker 1: one of these theories that is abs that that I
Speaker 1: don't believe. Like the this assassination is a lot like
Speaker 1: what happened to Epstein, where everyone who brings up a
Speaker 1: theory has some other reason for having that theory, and
Speaker 1: so I don't trust anything anyone says about it. But
Speaker 1: every theory about why he might how he might have died,
Speaker 1: is plausible right, like every all of these are plausible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: might not like, I don't listen. I don't care what
Speaker 1: the Atlantic Council has to say, but yeah, it could
Speaker 1: have been the F FSB. I don't care about, like
Speaker 1: what the Russian government has to say, but yeah, it
Speaker 1: could have been the Ukrainians, but definitely was not liberal
Speaker 1: terrorist groups. First bombing like this is like that. What
Speaker 1: what of the like the like these single thing where
Speaker 1: like you can instantly tell that someone is lying about
Speaker 1: what happened in the bombing is when they say a
Speaker 1: previously unknown group every this happened, called it's so hard
Speaker 1: to bomb things. Yeah, like so Um Sergey. Some Leney
Speaker 1: is a German political expert with particular focus on Russia
Speaker 1: and Eastern Europe. Yeah, he definitely has made a lot
Speaker 1: of statements talking about how Kremlin's version of events is definitely, uh,
Speaker 1: he says, totally fake and absolutely out of the scale
Speaker 1: of possibility in terms of blaming it on this this
Speaker 1: one Ukrainian as off fighter who infiltrated Russia. Um, and well,
Speaker 1: well so, the FSB has produced, quote unquote, evidence in
Speaker 1: support of this theory of saying that this Ukrainian citizen,
Speaker 1: who arrived in Russia in July with her daughter, rented
Speaker 1: an apartment in the same building as Dugina's and her
Speaker 1: into Russia as a Ukrainian, by the way, July of
Speaker 1: this year. Yes, and your child rented an apartment in
Speaker 1: the same building as Dukin's daughter, so, typically dundaughter, and
Speaker 1: spied on her and like. The month before the killing, UM,
Speaker 1: the the FSB released a purported passport photo of the
Speaker 1: Ukrainian citizen, as well as a footage that allegedly showed
Speaker 1: her in Russia with many people, including Ukrainian officials and
Speaker 1: kind of data analysts and like disinformation researchers, pointing out
Speaker 1: the various ways that that the document seems forged or
Speaker 1: digitally fabricated. Um, and some landy also says that this
Speaker 1: National Republican Army Group is completely made up, because there's
Speaker 1: there's there's no way that there could be a terrorist
Speaker 1: group like this. There's like an actual group active that's
Speaker 1: not infiltrated by the by the FSB right now. Um,
Speaker 1: just like, he's like, you're like not, like people can
Speaker 1: do individual acts of terrorism, but have like a like
Speaker 1: a big group like this, comprised of like former Russian officials.
Speaker 1: He's like, that's just impossible, that's just not that's just
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Um, no, I I agree with all
Speaker 1: of that. Um. Honestly, one reason why someone involved in
Speaker 1: the Russian security state is plausible is because this was
Speaker 1: such a good bombing. It's it's I'm leaning whoever it is,
Speaker 1: because the CIA is also, like, I'm leaning towards it's
Speaker 1: it's a state actor, or because, like, fucking bombs are
Speaker 1: hard to make, especially almost close to zero percent of
Speaker 1: the time when an independent terrorist group makes a bomb,
Speaker 1: does it work the way it's meant to. And like this.
Speaker 1: This wasn't even ignition based this blew up as she
Speaker 1: was driving on the highway. So people, if they as
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, like it could have been like heat activated.
Speaker 1: It's it could have had like a timer based on
Speaker 1: ignition stuff. But like whatever mechanism that got to that
Speaker 1: they got it to blow up is more complicated than
Speaker 1: your average car bomb and it was way more successful
Speaker 1: in your average car bomb. So it's like it's it's
Speaker 1: bizarre how good they were at doing this. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like I think it's worth mentioning like, like there was
Speaker 1: a time where you could just, if you needed to
Speaker 1: make up car bomb, like you could hire a guy
Speaker 1: who teach you how to make a car bomb. Like
Speaker 1: we don't live in that error anymore. Like that like
Speaker 1: in the seventies you could plausibly do that, right, although,
Speaker 1: if that's a kind of training you want to offer
Speaker 1: for people to help try to take out Alexander again.
Speaker 1: To sponsor our podcast. Yeah, we're. Yeah, our our podcast
Speaker 1: sponsored by Becca Valley to Becca harder. I do believe
Speaker 1: that I have this one source here that that it's they.
Speaker 1: The FSP claimed that the bomb was either made of
Speaker 1: or equivalent to, five hundred grams of t n t,
Speaker 1: which is no. That seems like, which is complete bullshit.
Speaker 1: But it's just like you used in Oregon to get
Speaker 1: rid of a whale. But that's but that's just one
Speaker 1: of the statements that that's like, that's one of the
Speaker 1: statements that that the FSB has made on this, that
Speaker 1: it's five d grabs of t n t, which is
Speaker 1: just not true. Like that's just how bombs work. Um,
Speaker 1: so now we're gonna get to something. We're gonna WE'RE
Speaker 1: gonna close off here by talking about the aftermath and
Speaker 1: the televised funeral of because, because, because it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1: So family friends, dozens of colleagues and acquaintances of Daria
Speaker 1: Dugina got together live on TV on the Tuesday after
Speaker 1: after after her death to bid their final farewell to the,
Speaker 1: quote unquote, journalist killed in the carbomb attack outside of Moscow.
Speaker 1: That's quoting from tasks, one of the one of the
Speaker 1: Russian state funded media outlets. Um, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read a quote from Alexander Dukan, who this
Speaker 1: is something he said on the televised funeral. Quote. She
Speaker 1: had no fear, really, and the last time we talked
Speaker 1: was at the festival tradition. She said, Daddy, I feel
Speaker 1: like a warrior, I feel like a hero. I want
Speaker 1: to be with my country, I want to be on
Speaker 1: the light side of the force. She's with a lot
Speaker 1: of Russian people now, with about other Russians right now.
Speaker 1: I just love that, like saying that his daughter walked
Speaker 1: up to her and said, Daddy, I want to be
Speaker 1: on the light side of the force. She's like in
Speaker 1: her mid thirties. Like what I mean? A significant chunk
Speaker 1: of her body mass was converted into light. I just
Speaker 1: I just, I just said that. I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just think it's a really funny thing that that
Speaker 1: Ducan was saying on this televised funeral. Just a bizarre quote. Um,
Speaker 1: he also said that he wanted to bring up his
Speaker 1: daughter the way that he saw the ideal person to be. Saying, quote,
Speaker 1: the first words that we taught her as a child
Speaker 1: were Russia, our state, our people and our empire. Unquote. Again,
Speaker 1: none of this is true. Like, he's just a weird
Speaker 1: thing to say. It's your daughter's funeral. No, you gotta look. Look,
Speaker 1: he got daughter. It's like any other kind of investment, right, like,
Speaker 1: and she's been exploded you gotta get as much as
Speaker 1: you can, like really it's like ringing out a towel,
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, you gotta just make that last little
Speaker 1: bit count. And then, uh, Vladimir Putin, a few days after,
Speaker 1: after the assassination, signed a decree to to award her
Speaker 1: with the order of courage post posthumously. So she she did.
Speaker 1: She did explode courageously. So, yeah, that is that. That's
Speaker 1: assassination of Dugan's daughter. It's wild because we don't really
Speaker 1: actually know. We don't we don't really know who actually
Speaker 1: did it. We we we don't know much about the
Speaker 1: actual event. We're unsure of the actual the actual like
Speaker 1: ignition of the bomb, how the bomb actually operated. Who
Speaker 1: Actually did it? I mean obviously, like this, whether whether
Speaker 1: Dugan himself was a target or was specifically Um Daria Dugina. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously this was like heavily planned based off of her
Speaker 1: and Dugan's schedule, right, because they were both openly going
Speaker 1: to be at this fashion cultural festivation. have access. Yeah, but, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like it did require, like, you know, people
Speaker 1: were tracking their movements, being like, oh, Dugan's gonna be
Speaker 1: at this festival on this day. Um, it's like it's
Speaker 1: there is a lot of like background work that went
Speaker 1: into this and it's fascinating that we just we actually
Speaker 1: know very little about who who may have done this
Speaker 1: and how and how the bomb actually operated. The primary
Speaker 1: clue we have is just how good the bomb was,
Speaker 1: which which means one way or the other, a nation
Speaker 1: state actor probably, but that does not really narrow it much.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was that was again one of the
Speaker 1: assassinations that happened shortly after we planned assassination week. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's what like man like easily our most
Speaker 1: successful PR campaign. It's it's just so wild to think
Speaker 1: like how close Dugan was to die, because remember, like
Speaker 1: he was planning to leave in that same car and
Speaker 1: then at the last minute, decided to take separate vehicles.
Speaker 1: So was he behind her when it went off? Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why we got that great photo walking up to
Speaker 1: the site. Would you point this out to like you
Speaker 1: then actually been like five grams at t and t
Speaker 1: like he would have still been when he walked up
Speaker 1: to it, like we were picture of him going, Oh
Speaker 1: my God, and then just his face would explode. But
Speaker 1: not mean like a lot of conspiracy theories have popped
Speaker 1: up being like well, Dugan was supposed to be in
Speaker 1: that car and then he left last minute. Maybe he
Speaker 1: was in on it. Maybe, like maybe, you know, the
Speaker 1: Russian state told him this was going to happen and
Speaker 1: he and he just let it happen and it was
Speaker 1: doing it for like this pr thing and like, who knows, like,
Speaker 1: like maybe maybe Dugan didn't know that this was going
Speaker 1: to happen like like this. This no way to like,
Speaker 1: you're just, you're just, you're just speculating at that point.
Speaker 1: We're just creating theories in your own head. But it is,
Speaker 1: it is kind of funny that that Dugan almost was
Speaker 1: in that car and then it wasn't, and that is, uh,
Speaker 1: that is that is, at the very least, an interesting
Speaker 1: aspect of this assassination. Um, but it's no evidence for
Speaker 1: one specific thing right now. It could just be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a stop somewhere on my way back
Speaker 1: home right like so I'm gonna take this, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take this other vehicle, like it could. There's so many
Speaker 1: other possible reasons for why he may have switched cars, Um,
Speaker 1: but it is, it's it's another it is another like
Speaker 1: thing to that that the people are are turning into
Speaker 1: various theories. Yeah, I think I'll say about that. It
Speaker 1: was like you have to have a lot of faith
Speaker 1: in your bomb maker to drive behind a car bomb,
Speaker 1: like intentionally, like you've got to be really like, and
Speaker 1: I don't or you really hate your daughter in a
Speaker 1: way that's very reckless. Yeah, but you could just like
Speaker 1: turn off the highway or something, or like, oh no,
Speaker 1: my car broke down, I need to make sure that
Speaker 1: Venus down. You gotta drop her, you've got to press
Speaker 1: the big plunger into the box. Yeah, well, at least
Speaker 1: we're ending on a high note. Yeah, yeah, I do
Speaker 1: like that. I'm started. We started assassination week with a
Speaker 1: car bomb and we're ending it with TNT. She declared
Speaker 1: the nearest church. No doubt. It's like it's like poetry
Speaker 1: at rhyme's and I want to be on the light
Speaker 1: side of the force. Quote. Fine, what are the according
Speaker 1: to do again? What are the last things Daria Dukin said?
Speaker 1: I want to be on the light side of the force. Somebody,
Speaker 1: if there were real journalists left in the world, somebody
Speaker 1: would reach out to George Lucas and just try to
Speaker 1: get a quote and you're not, don't email him. It's
Speaker 1: like just go to a mall near skywalker ranch and
Speaker 1: wait until he goes to the sparrow. You'll find him,
Speaker 1: all right. That doesn't for us today. Check under your
Speaker 1: driver's side door. If you're Alexander to a in. I
Speaker 1: imagine if he wasn't if if he wasn't involved, if
Speaker 1: he wasn't aware of this, he is going to be
Speaker 1: looking over his shoulder like nonstop. Now man who's never
Speaker 1: got into a car, he hasn't like shimmied under. He
Speaker 1: had to look under every car he gets into. It's
Speaker 1: so funny. Ah, we'd like to see it anyway. Alright,
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