1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: On pictures of alexandrowoking moments after his daughter exploding in 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: a car bomb. Again, I don't have any problems beating puppies. 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Oh No, this is recorded. Welcome, it could happen here, 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: the podcast where Garrettson Davis is fine with violence against dogs. Yeah, right, 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: aw wow, cancellable, cancellable. deathly allergic to dogs, but they 6 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: love you so much. So if people were, if people 7 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: were going to pick an assassination method for me, just 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: to get a whole bunch of dog Dander and rub 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: it on my pillow and I'll be dead with I'll 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: be doing the next morning. I've I've seen you get 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 1: rubbed on by a bunch of dogs and you've you've 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: never died yet. No, yeah, that's get uncomfortable and you 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: have to use your inhaler and it's you know, but 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: I don't. I just I just ignore that. You get 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: uncomfortable and you have to use your in Halor, Roberts 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: like that's great. I'm super thrilled with that out Um, 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: you know what other outcome I'm thrilled with? So sick transition. 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: So we are talking about the assassination of Alexander Dugan's daughter. 19 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: It's IT'S A it's a, it's it's kind of a 20 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: wild story. There's a lot of weird things going on. 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: We still don't know much about what actually happened. Um, 22 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of conflicting theories, a lot of experts 23 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: who are saying different things, quote unquote, experts who are 24 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: saying different things. Uh, it's it's wild. But I have 25 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: a little right up here that we're going to go 26 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: through based on what I assume everyone's questions will be 27 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: about this assassination. UH, first thing, probably before we before 28 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: we get into Alexander Dugan's daughter, I guess it's probably 29 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: worth clarifying who Alexander Dugan is, because to understand the 30 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: nature of this assassination and possible motives, it's important to 31 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: know who he is as a person. So I know 32 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: we've talked about Dugan on the show before kind of briefly, 33 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 1: but Alexander Dugan is a Russian traditionalist, neo fascist political theorist. Um, 34 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: some people call him a philosopher. I think that's being 35 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: a little generous. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he was born 36 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty two into a high ranking military family 37 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: and Dugan spent his early years as an anti communist 38 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: dissident in the collapsing Soviet Union. He joined various a 39 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: dissident ultra nationalist, occult Anti Semitic and Fascist groups or 40 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: collectives that sprung up during the last two decades of 41 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. Uh, in the nineties he was one 42 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: of the founders of the Russian National Bolshevik Party, which 43 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: he left in the late nineties because the party was 44 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: not fascist enough. Um. So he he left the political 45 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: party he helped, he helped start because it was it 46 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: had too many of the Bolshevik parts of the National 47 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: Bolshevik Party. Um He he kind of carries on some 48 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: of the traditionalist political philosophy from Twentieth Century Esoteric Fascist 49 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: writers like Julius Sevola, whose book on Pagan Imperialism Dugan 50 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: translated into Russian. Just as a brief bit of context 51 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: for people. Now you know their fascism and communism are 52 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: are portrayed as in strict, strict opposition to each other. 53 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: But if we're going back to the twenties and thirties, 54 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys had a lot of things 55 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: in common. There were times where the Communist Party of 56 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: Germany and the Nazis would fight the cops together. Um. 57 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: There were people in the Nazi party who were more 58 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: or less national bolsheviks in terms of their political outlook. Um, 59 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: and they were all murdered on the night of long knives. 60 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: Like the Nazi party had a left wing that it purged. Anyway. 61 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: This is just like, this is not coming out of nowhere. 62 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: This isn't a new development, and the thing with Dugan 63 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: is that he really is does carry on that type 64 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: of Red Brown alliance idea with a lot of his politics, 65 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: of of of bringing together some of the more harder 66 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: fascists with some people who are more like authoritarian communists, Um, 67 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: and we see that with the National Bolshevik Party. At 68 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: this point. Dugan is probably most known for his influence 69 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: on Contemporary Russian politics, the NEO Eurasianism ideology, his writing 70 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: on the multi polar world theory and his fourth political 71 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: theory about the ascension of Russia as the world's like 72 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: traditionalist political power, Um, and usurping the kind of political 73 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: dominance of the United States. And Dugan's NEO EURASIANISM is 74 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: described by Antonslav, an eastern European far right scholar, as, quote, 75 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: a form of Fascist ideology centered on the idea of 76 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: revolutionizing the Russian society and building a tolitarian Russian domin 77 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: needed Eurasian Empire that would challenge and eventually defeat its 78 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: eternal adversary, represented by the United States and it's atlanticist allies, 79 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: less springing about a new golden age of global political 80 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: and cultural illiberalism, unquote. So it's it's very centered in 81 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: just being against the ideas of liberalism and being against 82 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: like globalist liberalism, like actual like globalization, Um, and still 83 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: carrying over a lot of influences from esoteric writers like 84 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: Julius Sevola in terms of like kids, anti modern, anti 85 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: liberal politics based in like traditional, anti multicultural right this. Yeah, yeah, 86 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: a lot of if you've ever seen someone screaming about 87 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: like Global Homo or something like, that's probably one of 88 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah, and that that Dugan's daughter actually, in 89 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: her last ever interview, talks about that a little bit 90 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: and we're yeah, yeah, like there's there's there's there's a 91 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: lot of people in the US who like see this 92 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: ship and like mistake it for anti imperialism, and it's 93 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: basically because like they've lost the ability to like conceive 94 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: of an empire that isn't the US, Britain or France, 95 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: and even that's tenuous and it's like guys like from 96 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: a lot of these commibal accounts, you get the attitude 97 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: that like, well, only the United States is capable of 98 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: being imperialism, which is just then just say you're anti us, 99 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: just say you're anti the United States, because you're not 100 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: anti imperialism. Because, let me tell you something, there's been 101 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: a lot of empires in history. Controversial statement from Robert Evans. 102 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: Quite quite a few different empires over time. They're not 103 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: all America press probably worth like pointing out the Russia 104 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: asset exists. Is An empire, right, it's just a contiguous one. 105 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: It's it's one that that is joined by land separated 106 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: by seas. Doesn't still be being an empire? Yes, as 107 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: as we can see, with them trying to expand into Ukraine, 108 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: which is heavily influenced itself by some of the theory 109 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: that Dugan was writing from the nineties up until now 110 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: um and then, kind of in reference to Dugan's influence 111 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: on contemporary Russian politics, especially since Russia's so far failed 112 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine, Dugan is often referred to as, quote unquote, 113 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:28,559 Speaker 1: Putin's brain or, quote unquote, Putin's Resputin Um. And while 114 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: he is well connected and has and while he is 115 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: certainly well connected and has quite a bit of influence 116 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: in Russia and the global far right movement in general, 117 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: the degree to which he holds significant power in the 118 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: decisions that Putin makes is definitely heavily contested among actual 119 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: political experts. We think some of the whole Putin's brain 120 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: and Putin's like resputent thing is a little bit over emphasis, 121 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: over emphasized with sometimes Dugan's never held off, there's Dugan, 122 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: Dugan's never we we we don't even have a picture 123 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: of Dugan and Puttin together, like we don't even know 124 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: if they've actually like been in the same room. We 125 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: don't know if the same person, the same person. Yes, 126 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: that's correct, Chris. The thing that is important to know 127 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: about Putin as regards Dugan because again, as garrison said, 128 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: not trying to make a statement here about the degree 129 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: like saying that he is or is not any kind 130 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: of influence, but Vladimir Putin has been doing this, has 131 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,479 Speaker 1: been working towards the where he is now for decades 132 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: and is a guy who has had a view of 133 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: the world for decades that he's worked towards making real 134 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: um and it's not a view of the world that 135 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: you need to be. Dugan's an esotericist, like you do 136 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: not need to think Esoteric Lee to understand what Vladimir 137 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: Putin is doing. He wants to reunite the Russian imperial 138 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: project that fell apart when the Soviet Union did, using 139 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: violence and whatever other means he can do, which is 140 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: why he's gone done what he's done in Georgia. Um, 141 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: it's why he's done doing what he's doing in Ukraine. 142 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: This is not like complicated. Understanding Putin's motivations are is 143 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: not hard. I think a lot of people have kind 144 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: of leaned into that Putin's brain thing, especially since the 145 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine, because in in Dugan's seminal nineteen nineties, 146 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: seven book the foundations of geopolitics, Dugan lays out his 147 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: vision to divide the world up and calling for Russia 148 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: to rebuild this influence through annexations and alliances. Well, all 149 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: in a heavy opposition to Ukraine as a sovereign state, 150 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: and a lot of Dugan's writing has been about trying 151 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: to reconquer Ukraine and absorb it into Russia. Um. Yeah, 152 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: and he's a useful guy, but yeah, I guess. And 153 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: like the the in an article from the from the Guardian, 154 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: that I was I was using for one of the 155 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: sources for this episode. They they claim that the foundations 156 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: of geopolitics was a very popular book in the Russian 157 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: General Staff Academy. Um, and kind of was. Was One 158 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: of the things that shifted Dugan from like a weird 159 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: esoteric dissident to actually becoming a more influential and prominent 160 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: pillar of the conservative establishment inside Russia. Um, as as 161 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: Dugan's writing evolved, started to emphasize less, the more esoteric 162 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: elements his writing did, did get more popular in Russia. Um. 163 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: But at this point he is stronger as a symbol, uh, 164 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: less so than having actual personal influence over decision making. 165 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: You know what does have influence of your decision making? 166 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: They have influence of your decision making. You're you're the 167 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: sub the sublemental messages that we've been placing insider ads 168 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: for the past three years. Um. That leads that that 169 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: has been an esotary project of of of my design 170 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: to to influence you to buy these products and services. 171 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: That's right, James, I'm I'm trying to I think we 172 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: have a couple of different esoteric projects. I'm not sure 173 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: what Y'alls is. I'm trying to get people to bring 174 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: the Super U Baja back. That was the super that 175 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: had a little truck bed in the back. It was 176 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: the Super Oh my God, how can yeah, I was 177 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: gonna come speaking of one word, but I realized where 178 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: that was taking me and I started off to me, 179 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: it is a cup. Yeah, it is a cup. It's 180 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: my second favorite cup. Um, why didn't they call it 181 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: the Super U Cuck, and I would buy one immediately. Yeah, 182 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: the Super Ye, please buy, please buy a super cuck. 183 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: Enjoy these adverts and we're back. All right, so let's 184 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: I think it's now actually time to talk about the 185 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: the actual casualty this assassination, which is not Alexander Dugan, 186 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: instead Gina U Daria, dead, Gaina more like it. Yeah, 187 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: so she was. She was. She was born on December 188 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: fifte n Daria herself was a Russian journalist and far 189 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: right activist who was very vocal in support of the well, 190 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, she, she, she did work for a 191 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: number of journalists of journalism outlets, not only Russia, including 192 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: in France, like she. She she did. She was a journalist. Um, 193 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: she did work. It wasn't very good. She's a bad person, um, 194 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: but she worked for a few French outlets. Um, she 195 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: was very vocal in support of the invasion of Ukraine. 196 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: In accordance with her father's political theories, she studied at 197 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: the Moscow State University, specializing in the political philosophy of 198 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: late neoplatonism. So you already know she's going to be 199 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: really annoying. Anyone tries to describe that degree program to me, 200 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: I might hit them like absolutely no. Yeah, we, we, we, we, we, we. 201 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: We have, in that one sentence alone, laid out justification 202 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: for assassination. Okay, well, okay, come on, I think I 203 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: think that's a bit too far. I'm gonna say right 204 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: now I bought property with land so that when people 205 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: say the word Neo platonism around me I can get 206 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: rid of the body. So here's some fun facts about 207 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: about Daria. She played the flute. Um, she was she 208 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: was in her she was in a band, I think 209 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: in college, uh, called Jason May refuse, which was an 210 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: electronic music band. Now, Dason. I bet her ship did 211 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: actually rock. It probably did. Slap of, I mean like 212 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: and this, and this was when she was less of 213 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: a fascist actually. Um, now, just in terms of something 214 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: that kind of an interesting note here. So dason translates 215 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: to here being, which was, which is one of Alexander 216 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,479 Speaker 1: Dugan's favorite favorite terms. It's it's related to the philosophical 217 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: concepts uh espposed by Martin Heideger. Yes, so it's it's 218 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: just a little nerdy reference to both her father. I 219 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: guess she was probably exposed to the phrase via her father, 220 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: but it's a hideger reference. So she named her electronic 221 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: music band off of Hideker. If you're trying to kill 222 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: her ghost now, which is pretty funny. Yeah, yeah, if 223 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: you're in a band with a hiding a reference to 224 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: leave that band now. But but yeah, when she when 225 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: she was in the university, her friends say she actually 226 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: she actually wasn't really into her dad or her dad's politics. Um, 227 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: her her friends talk about that. When she when she 228 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: was in university, she really liked Um, guide to board. Um, 229 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: she was interested in some of the more yeah, like 230 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: just quickly, as like a lot of popular stuff on 231 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: the left. Now ship like a crime thing, but also 232 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: stuff like Um ad busters is influenced by guided boy. Yeah, 233 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean also like the French Revolution in Yeah, yeah, 234 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: I was arrived for a hundred and twenty years and 235 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: never aged. He was also, I will say this is 236 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: a thing a lot of people don't know about, the 237 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: board was influential in the development of war games and 238 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: and is part of the intellectual tradition that gave us warhammer. 239 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: That that that actually makes a lot of sense. Makes it? 240 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: It makes complete sense. Yeah, yeah, but but yeah, so 241 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: she was. She was into stuff like that in yeah, 242 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: I must I don't think. I don't think she would 243 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: have described herself as that. Um, but that was the 244 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: types of stuff that she liked talking about and that 245 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: was the types of groups that she was involved with. 246 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: She she never talking about her father, and her father 247 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: was already a very popular um person at this time, 248 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: specifically inside Russian universities. But she, she was. She did 249 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: not drive with that type of stuff. Um. And then 250 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: by by the end of her kind of time in university, 251 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: she started shifting more towards what her friends described as orthodoxy. Um. 252 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: I would say it's like she she should more towards 253 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: her father's traditionalist stuff. I'm not sure what exactly caused 254 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: this shift to happen, Um, but here's a quote from 255 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: one of her friends quote. It was strange because before 256 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: that she has not shown any interest in him and 257 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: her father had no influence on her. Um. And it's so, yeah, 258 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: something by the by the end she by the by 259 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: the end of her time in university and she got 260 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: and by the time she was out of university, Um, 261 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: she actually just became an activist with the International Eurasianism 262 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: movement of do again and began to arrange lectures for 263 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: her father and came a very active supporter of his. 264 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: And then after that she started writing for state run 265 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: news outlets like rt and running parts of her father's website, 266 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: where she was then listed as his press secretary, and 267 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: started to appear at the events of the Eurasian Movement 268 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: as a speaker as well. So she she shifted in 269 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: like the last like probably ten fifteen years past, like 270 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: ten years she was shifting more towards her father, even 271 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: though when she was in her twenties she was more 272 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 1: into some of the French leftist stuff. That doesn't surprise 273 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: number one it's pretty normal for young people to rebel 274 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: against their parents in that era and be interested in 275 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: stuff outside of it. And like, I think there's a 276 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: couple of different ways this could have gone, but a 277 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: thing that makes total sense to me is that she's rebellious. 278 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: She explores some things. The primary things she learns is 279 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: that life out there is hard and like making a 280 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: living on your own and completely like is difficult and 281 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: her dad had a lot of influence and she can 282 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: make a lot of money working for him, and so 283 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: back back she goes. I don't know, she lost. She 284 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: lost a lot of her friends over this because when 285 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: she started doing stuff with her dad, her friends who 286 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: are like situations, people are like no, funk that, we're 287 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: not going to hang out with you. Yeah, it's, it's, 288 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of actually a bomber. Like I, I only, 289 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: I only, I only got to this part of her life, Um, 290 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: a few days ago when I was doing the research, 291 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: and this is actually something I stumbled upon later into 292 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: my research for this episode, because I was basically, I 293 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: was Mo only focused on the actual assassination part Um 294 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: and I when I found this, I was like, oh, 295 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: that's actually kind of sad. Yeah, I will say I 296 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: don't know if this is at work here, but there 297 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: is a thing in like there is a current in 298 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: their French al tip left like after sixty eight, like 299 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: going into the seventies and eighties, that gets like really 300 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: fucking weird and kind of ghost fascist based around. It's 301 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: it's a long story. Whe there's there's a whole thing 302 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: about a guy who was like sort of involved in 303 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: the alto left circles, who was like I think he'd 304 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: been in he'd been in a concentration camp, but he'd 305 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,719 Speaker 1: been in one of the ones that like wasn't an 306 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: extermination camp, and he started doing like Holocaust denial, and 307 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: there's like this whole fucking thing where like a bunch 308 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: of these people like kind of went really like went 309 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: really fucking weird. The rest of people, like the rest 310 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: of Alto, left his own them and like they like 311 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: we're kind of involved a bunch of the sort of 312 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: like the like founding the French neo fascism. It's not like. 313 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: It's not it's not a path that like has never 314 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: happened before. That's not coming out of nowhere, especially when 315 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: your father is who he is. That's not that's not surprising. 316 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: So when she started? So? Yeah, and in the past 317 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: few years she started acting as her father's press secretary, 318 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: scheduling events for him. She was doing she was doing 319 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: more writing on her own, um in various outlets, including 320 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: state run outlets, but also outlets in other countries. Um, 321 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: but definitely shifting more towards the kind of traditionalist durationism 322 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: Um side of politics. Earlier this year she was sanctioned 323 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: by both US and UK authorities, who under under accusations 324 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: that she was significantly contributing to online disinformation around Russia's invasion. Um. 325 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: And in an interview just a few months before her death, 326 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: Daria expressed pride that both she and her father had 327 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: been targeted by Western sanctions. They kind of she kind 328 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: of a wored as like as like a badge of 329 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: honor Um anti imperial in its filing, the UK office 330 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: of financial sanctions called a Dougin a frequent, high profile 331 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: contributor of disinformation in relation to Ukraine and the Russia 332 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine on various online platforms. And to get 333 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: a sense of how she actually politically described herself in 334 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: the months before her death, in an interview from Mayo 335 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: She described herself as, quote, a political observer of the 336 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: International Eurastionist Movement and an expert in international relations. My 337 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: field of Ativity is in the analysis of European politics 338 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: and geopolitics. In this capacity, I appear on Russian, Pakistani, Turkish, 339 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: Chinese and Indian television channels, presenting a multipolar worldview of 340 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: political processes. For me, a particularly important issue is the 341 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: development of the multipolar world theory. It is clear that 342 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: the globalist movement is over and the end of liberalism 343 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: has come, the end of liberal history, unquote. So and 344 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: and guess, and guess what she thinks is going to 345 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: replace liberal history. It's it's just it's Orthodox traditionalist Russian fascism. Um, 346 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: she in that same interview, she described the war in 347 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: Ukraine as, quote, a clash between globalist and Eurasian civilization. 348 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: I'll let I'll let my friends in Kiev know what 349 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: they are. That's great, they'll be excited by that. Yeah, 350 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: it is. It is. One of the things that's been 351 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: sort of interesting to me about this whole thing is like, okay, 352 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: so do you do? You can sort of comes out 353 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: of like like Russian National Bolshevism into some extent right. 354 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: But then, like if, if if you look at the propaganda 355 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: about Ukraine, it's like, okay, these people are all. These 356 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: people are all Nazis, but like also with their communists 357 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: and also they're gay, and it's like yes, well, that 358 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: that's the thing is like, you know, do people like 359 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: Dougan and Dougina, well, being absolutely fascists, can can pretend 360 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: to be against Nazis for various reasons. Um, Dougina definitely, uh, 361 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: and and do good as well. Are Are Pretty Homophobic, Um, 362 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: and they view gayness as a sign of like degenerate liberalism. 363 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: So like. But like they definitely walk that line between like, 364 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: but you know that, and that that's the thing. A 365 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: lot of that, like what Red Brown Alliance are National 366 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: Bolshevik type things do is walk that line and how 367 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: they how they try to present they're, you know, cultural 368 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: beliefs who are to heavily based in traditionalism versus their 369 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: versus their beliefs on like fascism and communism. Um, but 370 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: anyway we are. Let's see, and in her last ever interview, 371 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,479 Speaker 1: which took place on the day of her death. Um, 372 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: do you said that quote? Western just Biggie, by the way, 373 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. God. Alright, we're doing 374 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: a big episode next you're of your homework for this week. 375 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: Please come back next week and do better. So in 376 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: in in her last ever interview, she said that, quote, 377 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: Western utilitarianism has come to an end and a special 378 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: military operation is, it seems to me, than the last 379 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: nail in the coffin of this world hedgemon Um. And 380 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: then later on the interview she talked about how environmentalism, 381 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: support for transgender people, quote, the conversion of a person 382 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: into a homosexual, unquote, as well as is and freaking 383 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: is um are tools with which the West is trying 384 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: to fragment society and reduce its population. Free my friends 385 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: who dumpster dived so they could buy more drugs fifteen 386 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: years ago. We're part of a conspiracy to fragment society. 387 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 1: It's not that cocaine was expensive and the fucking trader 388 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: Joe's didn't lock its dumpster. It's that, okay, awesome. So, yeah, so, 389 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: those those, those were the views that she exposed hours 390 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: before dying. So well, talking about the conversion of a 391 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: person into a homosexual, transgender people, freakani is Um as 392 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: being the things that are destroying the west. To be clear, 393 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: all of these things are based and showed in fact 394 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: destroy the West. Yeah, if the if, the thing that 395 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: finally kills capitalism is dumpster diving teens, I be thrilled, 396 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: but I just don't see it happening. Uh. So, before 397 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: we get to the actual deed, let's set this stage 398 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: for where this, uh this event took place and where 399 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: everything went down. So it's August, a Saturday. Alexander Dugan 400 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: and UH Daria Dugina are attending this festival just outside 401 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: of Moscow, where Dugan's making a planned appearance that Um 402 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: and he gave a lecture that Saturday evening at this festival. Now, 403 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: the festival was called the tradition quote unquote. Tradition is 404 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: what's whatever ever everything calls it. So I wonder what 405 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: the festivals about. Huh, appreciation of the headline song from 406 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: the play fiddler on the roof, best sung by zero Mostel. 407 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: Look it up. It's an incredible performance. That must have 408 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: been it right. So the tradition festival is billed as, quote, 409 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: a Patriotic Cultural Festival and family event for art, literature 410 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: and Music Lovers. Just the last thing I've ever heard. 411 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: So it's basically it's it's this traditionalist, kind of quasi 412 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: fascist like art festival for people who like Neo platonism, 413 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: is what it actually is. Of It. It takes place 414 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: in Zarkava manner. It's this, it's this biggest state, about 415 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: twelve miles away from Moscow. Um, the tradition festival is 416 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: supported by the Presidential Fund for Cultural Initiatives, the Ministry 417 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: of Culture and tourism for the Moscow region, among a 418 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: few other kind of sponsors, and both Daria and her 419 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: father were special guests at this year's festival. Um. In 420 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: an interview, a colleague of Dugina's said that the conversation 421 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 1: topics at the festival between Duke and his daughter and 422 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: other tradition festival attendees Um. They said they said this 423 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: in an interview. Quote. We talked about the Russian idea, 424 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: the empire and the cultural war. Unquote. So that's just 425 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: like the regular conversations you're having at this festival. To 426 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: give you a sense of like what this thing actually is. Um, 427 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: and the blast that eventually that did kill uh Dugan's 428 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: daughter happened shortly after DNA left the tradition festival Um 429 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: at the estate where her father had given a lecture 430 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: just hours previous. Um, do you know? Who? Do you 431 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: know who won't blow up? And I don't. I don't 432 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: want to say that. Look, I'm gonna say right now. 433 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: If you are planning to assassinate a member of the 434 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: Dugan family and once spot to sponsor our podcast, we're 435 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: on board. I think we're fine with that, actually, because 436 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: it dis yeah, yeah, actually, we'll do it for free. 437 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: Just give us a name, because we have and we're 438 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: this is this is part of our to call freaking identity. 439 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: This is, this is, this is what I'm gonna do, 440 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: in between stealing old pumpkin spice coffee from the trader 441 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: Joe's dumpster. Unbelievable. I will do. I will do a traditionalist, 442 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: because pumpkin spice coffee is destroying the West. We have 443 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: to kill it. Yeah, Robert, Robert and Daniel fucking love 444 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: the pumpkin spice it's it's destroying. Degenerate Liberalism in the 445 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: form of Pumpkin spice coffee has not enjoy it in 446 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: any wayship, I don't want to Yuck you, yum. I'm happy. 447 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I would like to Robert, 448 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: Oh my God, here's that break. You know what? Yes, 449 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: we are, we are back. Um, I'M gonna open up 450 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: with a quote. Love quotes from the Brom. I don't 451 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: know who that I don't know what that is. Oh, 452 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: the bomb. Yeah, Mr Bomb, when you exploded, what's going 453 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: through your head? Then we are thinking about hot staria Duina. 454 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: But no, it's actually no, no, perfect. We're finishing assassination 455 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: week to actually to actually justify some of our kind 456 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: of glee at this happening, because Dugan is a horrible person. 457 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: They're both trash. Yeah, I am going to read a 458 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: quote from Port Sour in the Guardian. Quote. On Saturday night, 459 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: the violence that the alternationalist Russian thinker Alexander ducan has 460 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: propagandized for decades suddenly entered his own life when his 461 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: daughter was killed in a car bomb on the outskirts 462 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: of Moscow. I think that's a really important thing that, like, 463 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: he's made his entire career off of doing violence on 464 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: other people and and promoting genocides on people that he 465 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: doesn't like. They are a people I know who are 466 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: dead because of the war that he and his daughter 467 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: urged to happen. So, yeah, like it's it's it's what it's, 468 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: it's it's it's the same thing as like when every 469 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: single fucking Nicon Gould dies, like no one should no 470 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: one show, no one should feel bad about them at all, 471 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: because we spent they dedicated their entire lives to having 472 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: another country be invaded and having all these people killed 473 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: their lives destroyed. So fuck them. But yeah, the violence, 474 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: the violence that he's fetishized and and propagandized for decades 475 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: has has actually entered his life for like the first 476 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: time now. And funny. So, after giving a talk at 477 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: the festival, Dugan and his daughter were due to leave 478 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: the venue together in the same car, but at the 479 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: last minute Dugan decided to travel separately and take different vehicle. 480 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: He was stepped off by the C I A, according 481 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: to a friend of the family. Now, because at the 482 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: last minute he did decide to take another vehicle, this 483 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: actually has spawned a lot of conspiracy theories, Um, which 484 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: will kind of get into it a bit later. But 485 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: but this, this is what happened, is that they were 486 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: they were they were going to leave together and the 487 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: last minute they decided to take separate vehicles. Um, five 488 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: minutes later, while do you note, was driving a Toyota 489 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: Land Cruiser on the highway. That makes the tragedy. That's 490 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,719 Speaker 1: a fine car. It didn't deserve to in that way, Robert. 491 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: Why couldn't it? Why couldn't it have been afford some 492 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: sometimes sacrifices are necessary for the cause. Land Cruiser, on 493 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: a flag. Let's put let's let's all pull one out 494 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: for comrade Toyota Land Cruiser. You served us well. You 495 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: made the ultimate sacrifice so that mankind might be free 496 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 1: to go off roading. So as as as as she 497 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: was driving this Tyota Land Cruiser on the highway, a 498 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: bomb exploded in her car, killing her immediately and sadly 499 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: ripping the vehicle apart Um. Witnesses say, debris was thrown 500 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: all over the road as the Toyota Land Cruiser immediately 501 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: lost control and crashed into a fence and engulfed in flames. 502 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: Was No stuff. Yeah, I mean a really solid assassination. 503 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: It is, what's one of the better executed ones, especially, 504 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: especially for a car. It's one of the most impressive 505 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: car bomb attacks that has ever happened. Yeah, yeah, that 506 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: car bomb, that car bomb killed nobody, but yeah, that 507 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: was quite a cab. It was a big moon. We 508 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: thought that was an air strike. Yes, yes, definite, a 509 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: large cob so um eye witnesses called the fire Brigrade, 510 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: but by the time they arrived the entire car was 511 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: up in flames and firefighters only found one badly burnt 512 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: corpse in the remains of the vehicle. So investigators say 513 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: an explicit device planted under the car went off in 514 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: the vehicle caught fire. This happened about twelve miles west 515 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: of Moscow, on in the village near the village of 516 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: Oh boy, you don't need to try that. Nobody needs 517 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: the Zimmi. Okay, near near the village of Bullshower, vel Zimmy, 518 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: at around nine thirty PM local time. Investigators do believe 519 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: the bombing was, quote, premeditated and moment just walking down 520 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: the street with a bomb. M Why not? Was Wasn't? 521 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't a vehicle error. This was the planting. No 522 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: forward or a Chevy, a pinto. Yeah, if if a 523 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: fucking F one fifty goes up like that, I'm blaming Ford. 524 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: But no, must have been a bombing. So the bomb 525 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: was placed under the car on the driver's side. Now, 526 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,479 Speaker 1: a friend of the family named Andre Krasnov, who's also 527 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: the head of the Russia Horizon Social Movement. Um, was 528 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: one of the first ones to confirm the reports of 529 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: of Daria's death and but also said that the bomb 530 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: could have actually been intended for her father, and he 531 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: gave this quote to media. Quote. This was the father's vehicle. 532 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: Daria was driving another car, but she took his car. Today, 533 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: while Alexander went in a different way, he returned. He 534 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: was at the side of the tragedy. As far as 535 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: I understand, Alexander, or probably them together, were the target. Unquote. 536 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: Now this is this is just speculation. Actually, Um, from 537 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: what I can tell, there is actually more evidence suggesting 538 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: the car was indeed registered to Daria Dugina. We I 539 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: don't believe it is her father's car. Uh. We there was. 540 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 1: Some of the vehicle registration was leaked by a Russian 541 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: opposition UH news news site, like a news site in 542 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 1: in Russia, who's not state funded. Uh, leaked the car registration. 543 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: It was registered to Daria, not, not, not Alexander Dugan. Um. So, 544 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,959 Speaker 1: but it is very likely that Dugan may have been 545 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: a target as well, like, very extremely likely. Uh, it's 546 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: it's hard, it's it's hard to say. Uh. Now in 547 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: one of the funniest parts of the assassination, footage posted 548 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: on telegram appears to show Mr Dugan walking up to 549 00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: the side of the crash. Hey In shock, with his 550 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: with his mouth just gaping open and hands on his 551 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: head like he's like this surprised. It's one of the 552 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: funniest things I've ever seen. He's walking up to the 553 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: side of the crash like Oh, it's very that is 554 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: that is the that's the sound of the face he's making. 555 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: Is Um we we love to see a wizard in distress. 556 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: So sad wizard. So the attack happened on Saturday and 557 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: then come Monday, the Federal Security Service, or the the 558 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: FSB uh, said that the murder has been solved. Come, come, come, 559 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: the next Monday. And this is this is not true. 560 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: This is what we call a lie. From the FS. Yes, 561 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: that's that's really disappointing and untruth. Yeah, that's wow. From 562 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:02,919 Speaker 1: the Russian FBI. No, no intelligent services ever told a lie. 563 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: UN that's disappointing. So so, yeah, according according to according 564 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: to the F FSB uh, the the attack was mastermind 565 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: by the Ukrainian secret services and carried out by an 566 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: ace of Ukrainian national names. Batalia Vulk who fled? Last name, yeah, on, 567 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 1: Johnny Racist keep the fan did it again. Who fled 568 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: to Estoda, uh Estonia, following the killing? Um, so, Russia, 569 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 1: Russia's FBS did a very brief investigation. Yes, sorry, Russia. 570 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: Russia's FSB did a very brief investigation. Claimed that it 571 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: was this female Ukrainian citizen, Um and that, and that 572 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 1: she fled the next day, which was Sunday. Ukraine says, 573 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: uh Nah, uh, not really. Yeah, that is that Ukraine 574 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: has made. UH, yeah, kind at that noise. It's one 575 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: of those things. I would not be surprised, obviously, if 576 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: Ukraine did it and they have the people responsible or 577 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: some of their network are still in country. Of course 578 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: you you make a denial, but if Ukraine did it 579 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: and they were out of the country, I can't imagine 580 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: why they wouldn't be like yeah, man, we fucking did yeah, 581 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: so we're at war. I'll read the actual statements. So 582 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: Ukrainian official dismissed the accusations of Ukraine's involvement in the incident. Quote. Ukraine, 583 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: of course, has has nothing to do with this, because 584 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: we are not a criminal state, which is the Russian Federation, 585 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: and even less a terrorist state, said Uh Mike Helio PODILLAC, 586 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: who is an advisor to President Zelinski. So yeah, I 587 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: mean maybe Ukraine obviously denies involvement in this. Um, there's 588 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of people it could be. Could be Ukraine, 589 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: could be the CIA, could be Ukraine and the CIA 590 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: could be the FSB, or a lot of a lot 591 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: of people have a lot of people have theorized all 592 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: of those things. Yeah, there's really no way to know 593 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 1: a lot of yeah, are we are we going to 594 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: get into the person who destinated the barb, more like 595 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: the car that? We don't. We don't. We don't know 596 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: what actually happened. I'm going to get to some a 597 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: bit later, but some of the actual mechanisms that caused 598 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: it to happen are are still unclear, because because the 599 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 1: FSB is not like Gavin us any definitive evidence on 600 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: how this thing actually worked. But the head of the UH, 601 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: the Nets People's Republic, they they issued their own statement 602 00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: on telegram saying vile villains, the terrorists of Scoundrel so 603 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: they're just they're just doing a Cobra commander. That's awesome 604 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: to Alexander Dugan blew up his daughter in a car. 605 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: We cherished the memory of Daria. She is a real 606 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: Russian girl, as if that makes it worse, like if 607 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: they've blown her up some other way, it would not 608 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: have been his vile but car. I just lived at 609 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: the end. It was. She was a real Russian girl. Yeah, 610 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:48,439 Speaker 1: it's like Pinocchio. It's very funny. So some, some politicians 611 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: and experts, quote UNQUOTE EXPERTS, I've said that Putin himself 612 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 1: may have orchestrated the bombing, with little to new evidence 613 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 1: and support of that theory. There was a British member 614 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: of parliament said that Putin may have targeted Dugan over 615 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: recent criticisms man against his government, which I find to 616 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: be very uh. Putin's gotten rid of a shipload of 617 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: guys who used to be close to him lately, and 618 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,399 Speaker 1: he didn't use car pomps for they commit suicide, they 619 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: get sick. You know, a lot of many historians or 620 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: like you know, extremism kind of researchers are definitely kind 621 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: of eyeing up the the FSB um. It's you know, 622 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: it's but it's it's really it's it's really unclear. There 623 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 1: was UH. People have proposed that, like this, this attack 624 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: was orchestrated to kind of create a wave of needed 625 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: anger in Russia six months into their failed invasion. Had 626 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: that worked for him? Ruslan Trad a security researcher in 627 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: the in the US think tank Atlantic Council, proposed that 628 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: the the the FSB UH or or other Russian state 629 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: kind of apparatus is could have been involved, saying it's 630 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: evident that the murder Dugeana created a wave of needed 631 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: anger in Russia, and that quote. Dugan is now mostly 632 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: a symbol, not an instrument for the state. His role 633 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: in the creation of current Kremlin mythology for Eurasia and 634 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: the so called Russian world has already ended, and he 635 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: and he can be sacrificed. Currently, the Russian army needs 636 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: victories and a patriotic flame, so they're kind of him 637 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: posing that he was. It was like this like symbolic 638 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 1: sacrifice that like we sacrificed this figure. That means this 639 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 1: thing people will be willing to like keep on fighting. 640 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,320 Speaker 1: The Ukrainians literally have literally bombed and struck inside Russia 641 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 1: at this point and killed fifty plus of their children. 642 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: You would think that would be enough to make the 643 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: Russians angry, like blowing up this Weirdo's daughter isn't going 644 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: to be the thing that Galvini is the nation. To 645 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,919 Speaker 1: be clear, though, this is the kind of dumb ship 646 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: the Atlantic Council will be. A stupid Atlantic Council ship. Yes, yes, 647 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: and one of the one of the funnier explanations that 648 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: our theories being posited is by former Russian state deputy 649 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 1: uh Eliya Pomrov Um, who is now in so, in 650 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: an appearance on his Russian language opposition TV channel and Kiev, 651 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: alleged that that Duino was killed by Russian partisans from 652 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: a previously unknown anti Putin terrorist group dubbed the National 653 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: Republican Army, and that both Dugan and his daughter were targets. And, 654 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,720 Speaker 1: according to this guy, the group authorized him to issue 655 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: their manifesto via his telegram channel. Um, this group is 656 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: entirely made up. This is not real. This is this, 657 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 1: is like this, like this, like this, like former Russians, this, 658 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: this is, like this, this, this former Russian official turned 659 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: this like Ukrainian Lib Guy, who claims that it's this 660 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: secret to Anti Putin liberal terrorist group that contacted him. 661 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: And this is this is the first ever attack. That's 662 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: that they're they're going public as this new terrorist group. 663 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 1: And I'M gonna I'm gonna say this is the only 664 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: one of these theories that is abs that that I 665 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: don't believe. Like the this assassination is a lot like 666 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 1: what happened to Epstein, where everyone who brings up a 667 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 1: theory has some other reason for having that theory, and 668 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: so I don't trust anything anyone says about it. But 669 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: every theory about why he might how he might have died, 670 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: is plausible right, like every all of these are plausible. Yeah, 671 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,320 Speaker 1: might not like, I don't listen. I don't care what 672 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: the Atlantic Council has to say, but yeah, it could 673 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: have been the F FSB. I don't care about, like 674 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: what the Russian government has to say, but yeah, it 675 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: could have been the Ukrainians, but definitely was not liberal 676 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: terrorist groups. First bombing like this is like that. What 677 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,800 Speaker 1: what of the like the like these single thing where 678 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: like you can instantly tell that someone is lying about 679 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: what happened in the bombing is when they say a 680 00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 1: previously unknown group every this happened, called it's so hard 681 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: to bomb things. Yeah, like so Um Sergey. Some Leney 682 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: is a German political expert with particular focus on Russia 683 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 1: and Eastern Europe. Yeah, he definitely has made a lot 684 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: of statements talking about how Kremlin's version of events is definitely, uh, 685 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: he says, totally fake and absolutely out of the scale 686 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: of possibility in terms of blaming it on this this 687 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:30,800 Speaker 1: one Ukrainian as off fighter who infiltrated Russia. Um, and well, 688 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: well so, the FSB has produced, quote unquote, evidence in 689 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,280 Speaker 1: support of this theory of saying that this Ukrainian citizen, 690 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: who arrived in Russia in July with her daughter, rented 691 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: an apartment in the same building as Dugina's and her 692 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: into Russia as a Ukrainian, by the way, July of 693 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: this year. Yes, and your child rented an apartment in 694 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: the same building as Dukin's daughter, so, typically dundaughter, and 695 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: spied on her and like. The month before the killing, UM, 696 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: the the FSB released a purported passport photo of the 697 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 1: Ukrainian citizen, as well as a footage that allegedly showed 698 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: her in Russia with many people, including Ukrainian officials and 699 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,319 Speaker 1: kind of data analysts and like disinformation researchers, pointing out 700 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: the various ways that that the document seems forged or 701 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: digitally fabricated. Um, and some landy also says that this 702 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: National Republican Army Group is completely made up, because there's 703 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: there's there's no way that there could be a terrorist 704 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,239 Speaker 1: group like this. There's like an actual group active that's 705 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: not infiltrated by the by the FSB right now. Um, 706 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: just like, he's like, you're like not, like people can 707 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,880 Speaker 1: do individual acts of terrorism, but have like a like 708 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 1: a big group like this, comprised of like former Russian officials. 709 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: He's like, that's just impossible, that's just not that's just 710 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Um, no, I I agree with all 711 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: of that. Um. Honestly, one reason why someone involved in 712 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: the Russian security state is plausible is because this was 713 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: such a good bombing. It's it's I'm leaning whoever it is, 714 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 1: because the CIA is also, like, I'm leaning towards it's 715 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,839 Speaker 1: it's a state actor, or because, like, fucking bombs are 716 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: hard to make, especially almost close to zero percent of 717 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,359 Speaker 1: the time when an independent terrorist group makes a bomb, 718 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 1: does it work the way it's meant to. And like this. 719 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 1: This wasn't even ignition based this blew up as she 720 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 1: was driving on the highway. So people, if they as 721 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, like it could have been like heat activated. 722 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: It's it could have had like a timer based on 723 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: ignition stuff. But like whatever mechanism that got to that 724 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 1: they got it to blow up is more complicated than 725 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 1: your average car bomb and it was way more successful 726 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: in your average car bomb. So it's like it's it's 727 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: bizarre how good they were at doing this. Yeah, and 728 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: like I think it's worth mentioning like, like there was 729 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: a time where you could just, if you needed to 730 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: make up car bomb, like you could hire a guy 731 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: who teach you how to make a car bomb. Like 732 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 1: we don't live in that error anymore. Like that like 733 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: in the seventies you could plausibly do that, right, although, 734 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,800 Speaker 1: if that's a kind of training you want to offer 735 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,720 Speaker 1: for people to help try to take out Alexander again. 736 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 1: To sponsor our podcast. Yeah, we're. Yeah, our our podcast 737 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,800 Speaker 1: sponsored by Becca Valley to Becca harder. I do believe 738 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: that I have this one source here that that it's they. 739 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: The FSP claimed that the bomb was either made of 740 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: or equivalent to, five hundred grams of t n t, 741 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 1: which is no. That seems like, which is complete bullshit. 742 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,879 Speaker 1: But it's just like you used in Oregon to get 743 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: rid of a whale. But that's but that's just one 744 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: of the statements that that's like, that's one of the 745 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 1: statements that that the FSB has made on this, that 746 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,520 Speaker 1: it's five d grabs of t n t, which is 747 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,840 Speaker 1: just not true. Like that's just how bombs work. Um, 748 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: so now we're gonna get to something. We're gonna WE'RE 749 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,399 Speaker 1: gonna close off here by talking about the aftermath and 750 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: the televised funeral of because, because, because it's kind of funny. 751 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:19,320 Speaker 1: So family friends, dozens of colleagues and acquaintances of Daria 752 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 1: Dugina got together live on TV on the Tuesday after 753 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,400 Speaker 1: after after her death to bid their final farewell to the, 754 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,440 Speaker 1: quote unquote, journalist killed in the carbomb attack outside of Moscow. 755 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: That's quoting from tasks, one of the one of the 756 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:41,040 Speaker 1: Russian state funded media outlets. Um, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, 757 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read a quote from Alexander Dukan, who this 758 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,799 Speaker 1: is something he said on the televised funeral. Quote. She 759 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: had no fear, really, and the last time we talked 760 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: was at the festival tradition. She said, Daddy, I feel 761 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,680 Speaker 1: like a warrior, I feel like a hero. I want 762 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: to be with my country, I want to be on 763 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,360 Speaker 1: the light side of the force. She's with a lot 764 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,839 Speaker 1: of Russian people now, with about other Russians right now. 765 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: I just love that, like saying that his daughter walked 766 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: up to her and said, Daddy, I want to be 767 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: on the light side of the force. She's like in 768 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,879 Speaker 1: her mid thirties. Like what I mean? A significant chunk 769 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,319 Speaker 1: of her body mass was converted into light. I just 770 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: I just, I just said that. I I don't know. 771 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: I just think it's a really funny thing that that 772 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 1: Ducan was saying on this televised funeral. Just a bizarre quote. Um, 773 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: he also said that he wanted to bring up his 774 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,560 Speaker 1: daughter the way that he saw the ideal person to be. Saying, quote, 775 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 1: the first words that we taught her as a child 776 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:55,920 Speaker 1: were Russia, our state, our people and our empire. Unquote. Again, 777 00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 1: none of this is true. Like, he's just a weird 778 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,760 Speaker 1: thing to say. It's your daughter's funeral. No, you gotta look. Look, 779 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,839 Speaker 1: he got daughter. It's like any other kind of investment, right, like, 780 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,960 Speaker 1: and she's been exploded you gotta get as much as 781 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 1: you can, like really it's like ringing out a towel, 782 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: you know. Uh, you gotta just make that last little 783 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: bit count. And then, uh, Vladimir Putin, a few days after, 784 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 1: after the assassination, signed a decree to to award her 785 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 1: with the order of courage post posthumously. So she she did. 786 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:40,480 Speaker 1: She did explode courageously. So, yeah, that is that. That's 787 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,800 Speaker 1: assassination of Dugan's daughter. It's wild because we don't really 788 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,920 Speaker 1: actually know. We don't we don't really know who actually 789 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 1: did it. We we we don't know much about the 790 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,000 Speaker 1: actual event. We're unsure of the actual the actual like 791 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,319 Speaker 1: ignition of the bomb, how the bomb actually operated. Who 792 00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 1: Actually did it? I mean obviously, like this, whether whether 793 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,799 Speaker 1: Dugan himself was a target or was specifically Um Daria Dugina. Um. Now, 794 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,759 Speaker 1: obviously this was like heavily planned based off of her 795 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,560 Speaker 1: and Dugan's schedule, right, because they were both openly going 796 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,200 Speaker 1: to be at this fashion cultural festivation. have access. Yeah, but, like, 797 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, like it did require, like, you know, people 798 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,480 Speaker 1: were tracking their movements, being like, oh, Dugan's gonna be 799 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,760 Speaker 1: at this festival on this day. Um, it's like it's 800 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,960 Speaker 1: there is a lot of like background work that went 801 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: into this and it's fascinating that we just we actually 802 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: know very little about who who may have done this 803 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:39,000 Speaker 1: and how and how the bomb actually operated. The primary 804 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 1: clue we have is just how good the bomb was, 805 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,080 Speaker 1: which which means one way or the other, a nation 806 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 1: state actor probably, but that does not really narrow it much. 807 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, that was that was again one of the 808 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:57,319 Speaker 1: assassinations that happened shortly after we planned assassination week. I 809 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,239 Speaker 1: feel like it's what like man like easily our most 810 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 1: successful PR campaign. It's it's just so wild to think 811 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,920 Speaker 1: like how close Dugan was to die, because remember, like 812 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,440 Speaker 1: he was planning to leave in that same car and 813 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,840 Speaker 1: then at the last minute, decided to take separate vehicles. 814 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,120 Speaker 1: So was he behind her when it went off? Like yeah, yeah, 815 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,000 Speaker 1: that's why we got that great photo walking up to 816 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,840 Speaker 1: the site. Would you point this out to like you 817 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,120 Speaker 1: then actually been like five grams at t and t 818 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,359 Speaker 1: like he would have still been when he walked up 819 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 1: to it, like we were picture of him going, Oh 820 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,680 Speaker 1: my God, and then just his face would explode. But 821 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: not mean like a lot of conspiracy theories have popped 822 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,640 Speaker 1: up being like well, Dugan was supposed to be in 823 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,879 Speaker 1: that car and then he left last minute. Maybe he 824 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,080 Speaker 1: was in on it. Maybe, like maybe, you know, the 825 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,359 Speaker 1: Russian state told him this was going to happen and 826 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,759 Speaker 1: he and he just let it happen and it was 827 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,600 Speaker 1: doing it for like this pr thing and like, who knows, like, 828 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,279 Speaker 1: like maybe maybe Dugan didn't know that this was going 829 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,680 Speaker 1: to happen like like this. This no way to like, 830 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,479 Speaker 1: you're just, you're just, you're just speculating at that point. 831 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,239 Speaker 1: We're just creating theories in your own head. But it is, 832 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,440 Speaker 1: it is kind of funny that that Dugan almost was 833 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,560 Speaker 1: in that car and then it wasn't, and that is, uh, 834 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,960 Speaker 1: that is that is, at the very least, an interesting 835 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,799 Speaker 1: aspect of this assassination. Um, but it's no evidence for 836 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,879 Speaker 1: one specific thing right now. It could just be like, Oh, 837 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a stop somewhere on my way back 838 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,399 Speaker 1: home right like so I'm gonna take this, I'm gonna 839 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,520 Speaker 1: take this other vehicle, like it could. There's so many 840 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:34,240 Speaker 1: other possible reasons for why he may have switched cars, Um, 841 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,400 Speaker 1: but it is, it's it's another it is another like 842 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,600 Speaker 1: thing to that that the people are are turning into 843 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,080 Speaker 1: various theories. Yeah, I think I'll say about that. It 844 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,000 Speaker 1: was like you have to have a lot of faith 845 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,640 Speaker 1: in your bomb maker to drive behind a car bomb, 846 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,800 Speaker 1: like intentionally, like you've got to be really like, and 847 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: I don't or you really hate your daughter in a 848 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,680 Speaker 1: way that's very reckless. Yeah, but you could just like 849 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,120 Speaker 1: turn off the highway or something, or like, oh no, 850 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,120 Speaker 1: my car broke down, I need to make sure that 851 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 1: Venus down. You gotta drop her, you've got to press 852 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,520 Speaker 1: the big plunger into the box. Yeah, well, at least 853 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:13,319 Speaker 1: we're ending on a high note. Yeah, yeah, I do 854 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: like that. I'm started. We started assassination week with a 855 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,960 Speaker 1: car bomb and we're ending it with TNT. She declared 856 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 1: the nearest church. No doubt. It's like it's like poetry 857 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: at rhyme's and I want to be on the light 858 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 1: side of the force. Quote. Fine, what are the according 859 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,719 Speaker 1: to do again? What are the last things Daria Dukin said? 860 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,560 Speaker 1: I want to be on the light side of the force. Somebody, 861 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,240 Speaker 1: if there were real journalists left in the world, somebody 862 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,400 Speaker 1: would reach out to George Lucas and just try to 863 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,919 Speaker 1: get a quote and you're not, don't email him. It's 864 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,880 Speaker 1: like just go to a mall near skywalker ranch and 865 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,720 Speaker 1: wait until he goes to the sparrow. You'll find him, 866 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,839 Speaker 1: all right. That doesn't for us today. Check under your 867 00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,719 Speaker 1: driver's side door. If you're Alexander to a in. I 868 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 1: imagine if he wasn't if if he wasn't involved, if 869 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,360 Speaker 1: he wasn't aware of this, he is going to be 870 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: looking over his shoulder like nonstop. Now man who's never 871 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,680 Speaker 1: got into a car, he hasn't like shimmied under. He 872 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,680 Speaker 1: had to look under every car he gets into. It's 873 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,920 Speaker 1: so funny. Ah, we'd like to see it anyway. Alright, 874 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 1: we're done. It could happen here is a production of 875 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,560 Speaker 1: cool zone media. 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