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Speaker 1: But welcome into the lounge for the highly anticipated interview

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Speaker 1: I want I want all of it. I could get

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Speaker 1: Thursday night, bring me all this stuff so I can

430
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,879
Speaker 1: take it home Thursday night we're not meeting and and

431
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 1: study it and on our plate calling will make a

432
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,160
Speaker 1: difference in the plate calling. I'll be calling the place

433
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Speaker 1: on Saturday. So he would he would actually look like

434
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Speaker 1: a wheelbarrow wheel and he would roll it out the

435
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,160
Speaker 1: front door and load it into his trunk to pile

436
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,399
Speaker 1: upon pile upon pile upon pile. And we assumed he

437
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 1: took it home and studied it. Then on Saturday, rent

438
00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:03,440
Speaker 1: off tackle tackle tackle left to check as a dumpster.

439
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 1: If if he if he were a story of pressure time,

440
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 1: he was coming back to the old that's great. Well,

441
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 1: I want I want to take it a little bit larger,

442
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 1: you know, from two great coaches. I kind of want

443
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 1: to just talk about coaching, you know, and and really

444
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,680
Speaker 1: the personal side of it. What's it like to be

445
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 1: a parent and a coach. How difficult is it to

446
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 1: find that balance because the life of a coach and

447
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 1: a head coach is I mean, all all consuming the

448
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 1: time that you guys spending the job. How do you

449
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: balance being a parent and a coach? Price let me

450
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Speaker 1: start with that because I think the thing that that

451
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 1: that we learned growing up was and really Mom taught

452
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 1: this and and I would translate this way, the balance

453
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 1: is not so much it's a hundred. So you know,

454
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 1: you've gotta be a hundred percent committed to your to

455
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 1: your team and your family, your job at the same

456
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: time a hundred percent committed to your family. And that

457
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you got you can spend a d percent

458
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 1: time in anyone place. You know, it's not about the time.

459
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: It's not a pips when used to your commitment level.

460
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 1: And we were growing up that's how it was. I mean,

461
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: Mom made sure that we were around dad's job. So

462
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 1: we were at practice, we were in the way, when

463
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 1: we were in the locker room, we were stuffed in lockers,

464
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 1: we were taped the goalpost by the players. You know,

465
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: we were part of it. You know, we're part of

466
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: the teams and so so and dad would be working,

467
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: he'd be a football practice, but we were, we were there,

468
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: we were part of it too. So you were part

469
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 1: of the whole deal too. Then when when he came home,

470
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 1: he's running around with us and playing games or whatever.

471
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 1: We'd lay on the floor and listen to Calves games

472
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 1: at Bengo Smith shoot, throwing up threes in frank Pete Franklin, Yeah, talk,

473
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,239
Speaker 1: you know. And that's that's kind of what we did.

474
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 1: So so that was I think they I think my

475
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 1: mom and dad struck the perfect balance with that. And

476
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Speaker 1: that's what we tried to do here. So I don't

477
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: know if you had a plan, but that's the way

478
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 1: it was. We were going through the Super Bowl experience.

479
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: When John and Jim were playing the Super Bowl, we

480
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: had an interview in our home and uh and someone

481
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Speaker 1: asked a question and and Jackie came with an answer

482
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: I'd never heard before. And and what John just described

483
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: as she said, you know, raising our children her children

484
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: at the time, because I was so involved in football,

485
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: that she wanted her children to know what their father

486
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: did every day. When he left at six o'clock in

487
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 1: the morning and came back at eleven o'clock at night.

488
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: He left before the sun came up, and left came

489
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Speaker 1: home way after the sun. What did this guy do?

490
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Speaker 1: So she brought him to our work. She would when

491
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Speaker 1: they were in strollers. She would bring him out to

492
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Speaker 1: practice and they would stand sit there and roll around

493
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: the grass and the ball would come over and they

494
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: would they would catch in. The players would come over

495
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: and say hello to him, make a fuss about him.

496
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Speaker 1: She wanted to know that. Uh. We would bring him

497
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Speaker 1: in the offseason, bring him to the office. You know,

498
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: we'd be in there doing some work, cutting up some

499
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Speaker 1: film and doing those kinds of things. They would come

500
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Speaker 1: and run around the office. Again. They would run into

501
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Speaker 1: Bow's office at the time, or someone else's office and

502
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Speaker 1: get a ball. You disappear for three hours. Where are

503
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: they here? They came back over to the old I

504
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: AM building playing games over there with with with students.

505
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: But she wanted them to know. And then in about

506
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six, UH Jackie was talking to Millie Shambler

507
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: and UH and Milly asked about the boys, and and

508
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: Millie happened to say, well, did they ever go over

509
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: to the office. This is before kind of all I started.

510
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: And Jackie said no, they had this big canvas fence

511
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: around practice and we can't get in. So mysteriously Monday,

512
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm in Boistril, but that was like the weekend. Both

513
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: came back on money. He says, you know what I've

514
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: been given this. You know what they said, the kids

515
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: should come around. You know, I don't know why the

516
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: kids don't come around it. Well, it's because you put

517
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: this fence around there there, he said, I want to come.

518
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: And so we're playing. So we're playing Ohio State hibably

519
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: seventy seven, seventy eight and uh and it's it's just

520
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: like the week before Thanksgiving. And where are seasons? Bluttle

521
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 1: league seasons were over. So all the coaches kids were

522
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: out there playing on the the field right next to

523
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: the field. We're out there playing a tackle football game.

524
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Speaker 1: While the team was practicing right somehow a ball got

525
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: overthrown onto the field during the Michigan how State practice.

526
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm near where bow was at. We looked around at

527
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: each other. Jim was the youngest. Sent Jim to go

528
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: get the ball, hardball, get your kids off the field.

529
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: Of those kids. And I was a secondary coach, and

530
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: I got my back behind the dome, behind the defense,

531
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: and the ball the ball guys over my shoulder. I

532
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: can see the ball going and I'm seeing where it's

533
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 1: coming from and I'm saying, please, dear, don't let this one.

534
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: Sure enough are coming one of mine gets chewed out

535
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: and uh but uh but Jackie, that's what she visualized

536
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: is bo bought into it. And then the thing that

537
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: I enjoy, uh John Here on Saturdays in the season,

538
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: they have open up the building for players kids and

539
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: there's always kids. Jimmy Smith's son Beans out there running

540
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: around the practice. Got a little merry go around super

541
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: We're getting Superman. Every rand swung him around. But we

542
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: just embrace it, you know, and it's a huge deal.

543
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: And not tell you what if people are out there listening.

544
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: You've got your job, you run an office or something

545
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: like that, right, just bringing the kids around, I mean

546
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: it's it's great for morale, it's great for it's great

547
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: for families. You know, it's great. I think you had

548
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: more out of your people. Are our guys bring their

549
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: kids in here? I mean, moms are happy. You know,

550
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: there's four hours on a Saturday morning where the kids,

551
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, are they're they're not home, you know, they're here.

552
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 1: And then are people here. Megan McLoughlin leads that, as

553
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, and it kind of gets everybody organism foul.

554
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: So it's just it's uh, it's huge, it's big. It's

555
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: a big deal. It doesn't have to be his sons,

556
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: Jones girls to Jody used to come into the office.

557
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: He was the best hot splicer that I've ever seen

558
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: hot splicing. Those days you cut film and they say

559
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: cut the film up, cut the film. You actually took

560
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: a Parrish scissors and cut the film. Goes back to

561
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: the analytics thing. It's a little different than and maybe

562
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: you would hot splice if you had a hot splice here,

563
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: Jony's the best I've ever seen. And she'll tell you

564
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: that she got these little burns. Hunter great point. So

565
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: one thing I want to get from you guys, it's

566
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: that's you know, it's kind of coaching philosophy. You know,

567
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: you're going into your eleventh season. You spent fourteen seasons

568
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: at the longest run you had Western Kentucky fourteen years.

569
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: They're correct. Um, there's just basically when you have been

570
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: into place, so as long as you have just basically

571
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: the approach that you take in terms of the narrative

572
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: of keeping the message, fraction, reinventing, not reinventing, but just

573
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: basically that whole conversation, you know, because I think it's

574
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: something that coaches. I'm guessing you probably spend a good

575
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: amount of time thinking about it when you're coaching. Is

576
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: how you deliver that message and how the team turns

577
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: over every year, But just how you go about that

578
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: whole dynamic, well, I mean that I think that's kind

579
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: of a red herring. Is that the right word, you guys?

580
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean just the messages. It's the relationships. It's the

581
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: relationships that you keep fresh. It's it's the it's the

582
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: it's the day to day, the back and forth. I mean,

583
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: we talked about our pillars in our program and our

584
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: principles and things that never change. I mean, those things

585
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: they don't change. They're not supposed to stay fresh. There's

586
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: they've been around. If you look at the old ancient

587
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: pillars from from ancient Rome and before that, you'll see

588
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: a lot of stones on the ground, you know, in

589
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: the part and on or whatever everywhere. But what's still

590
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: standing the pillars. The pillars aren't going anywhere. You know.

591
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: The pillars are what are what the whole building is

592
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: built on. That's the foundation and all that. So those

593
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: things don't change. But all the other stuff, all those

594
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: stones that changes, you know, the messages, the stories that

595
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: you tell, the conversations that you have, the time you

596
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: spend with people with kids, with wives, girlfriends, all that

597
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, the things that you deal with. I mean,

598
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: players have their human beings, they have stuff, Coaches have

599
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: stuff happened. You know, you gotta be involved in all

600
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: that stuff. To me, that's what keeps it fresh is

601
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: the relationships. And that's what keeps a team strong. My

602
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: team is a family in so many ways. And you know,

603
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: families have good things and bad things and tough patches

604
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: and you've got you work through it for a for

605
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: a common goal, for mission, you know, and that's that's

606
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: let's remember what the mission is and what we're here for.

607
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: But I don't think that. I think the whole fresh

608
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: thing is is really less about less about a statement

609
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 1: or a message than it is about, you know, building

610
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 1: a team of people together. I think John is right

611
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: on with it. Uh, each team is different. I mean

612
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: each time, even I know in the pro some guys

613
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: are around ten, twelve, fourteen years college. You're only you know,

614
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: they it's a three year, four year, five year swinging

615
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: and they're gone. But each team as you begin the

616
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: season is totally different, and how you address that team

617
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: is fresh. It's not the same message. You may use

618
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: some of the same words, but you're talking to that

619
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: specific team and as you you go from game to

620
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: game during that season, each game is a little different.

621
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: You know, an injury here, an injury there at the

622
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: team you're playing, and you and the coach will lay

623
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: awake at night, at least I did about four o'clock

624
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: in the morning. My eyes are wide open. I'm looking

625
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: at the site and some idea comes, some approach that

626
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: you want to take with your team that next day

627
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: because of something that happened in the last game or

628
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: something that happened yesterday. And that's fresh. I mean, it's

629
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: it's new and and and it hasn't been told. It's

630
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: interesting too, is that teams are so young too, so

631
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of bump because you only have a handful

632
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: of guys maybe that that are there longer than four

633
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: or five years. You know, the sugs and black of

634
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: those guys, but most of the guys on the team,

635
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: even key role players and stars, have only been there

636
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: for three years. It's all fresh to that, and you've

637
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: got to be an entertainer too. I mean, you can't

638
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: you do. I mean your coach. You know, it's like

639
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: a teacher. Great teachers could entertain their class. You gotta

640
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: get in front of that room or you are you

641
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: just just just haven't lunched the cafeteria, but really in

642
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: front of that room, and you gotta keep it. You

643
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: gotta keep it fresh. I mean, you gotta have some material.

644
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: You gotta come up with some new material because they've

645
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 1: heard jokes before, or you tell some of the old

646
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: jokes because the new guys you wink at the old

647
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: guys like yeah, here it comes, you know, But you

648
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: have to have fun with the guys because you're always

649
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: talking to your team. And that's one thing I think

650
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: it's important for fans to remember to when a head

651
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: coach gets up in front of the media, even you're

652
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: talking to the fans, because you know that's a way

653
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: to communicate with the fans. But really, the coach isn't

654
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: the leader of the fans. The coach is the leader

655
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: of his team. So you're leading your team even when

656
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: you talk to the fans and the media. So when

657
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking to the media, I'm talking to my team.

658
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: I mean I'm talking to the fans, but I'm really

659
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: talking to the team, because the team's gonna read it.

660
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: And you canna remember when you stepped there and you

661
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: say something, you know that player is watching, is with

662
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: his wife and with his kids, and with his mom

663
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: and dad, or his brothers and sisters or his buddies.

664
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: They're watching and listen to every word you say about

665
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: them or the game or whatever happened. And it's personal.

666
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: So you can't get up there and so well, you

667
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: act like you're just talking to the fans and and

668
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: and and the media, but you're not also leading your

669
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: team at the same time. So you communicate with him

670
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: all the time and in a lot of different ways.

671
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: That's a tough balance. What is one thing that you

672
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: would say has has changed about the way that you

673
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: coach us since he started here? And Jack kind of

674
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: similar question. You know, you seeing John do it first

675
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: up close, you know, how have you seen him grow

676
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: change or whatever over the past years. The one thing

677
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: I learned early in my career I was at the

678
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: University of Michigan. For those seven years, we won five

679
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: Big Ten championships, We went to three Rows Bowls and

680
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: an Orange Bowl in those seven years. I mean we

681
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: had and and bohm bektor Me was his son coming

682
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: up in the morning, and I mean he was everything

683
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: to me. So when I went out to be a

684
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: head coach, how would bo do that? You know? How

685
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: would both say that? You know? What message would he give? Today?

686
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: I spent more time worrying about Bow would do than

687
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: than what I would do and who I was. And uh,

688
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: I got fired, you know, I got that we're moving

689
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: in a different direction. And I said which direction? They

690
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: they were gone and they said, well, we're going this

691
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: way and you're going out. I had that message delivered

692
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: to him and gone, and I had that happen. And

693
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: so I was fortunate enough to get another shot in

694
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: Western Kentucky. And I made up my mind I was

695
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: going to be whom I was. That's what I was

696
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: gonna do. And I don't know where it was gonna

697
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: take me, but that's what I was gonna do. And

698
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: the thing that brings so much joy to me now

699
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: is to be able to watch John and to be

700
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: able to watch Jim and Tom du crane Crean to

701
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: a degree with Jon, I don't and know nothing about basketball.

702
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: Each one of them are themselves each day to themselves

703
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: and one day it uh, it may be one, it's

704
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: something else, but it's them being themselves and and who

705
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: they are that day. And that makes me as proud

706
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: as anything that they accomplished as a football coach or

707
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: their teams accomplished. Is it hard to be a parent

708
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: watching from you know, you live in Michigan now and

709
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: watch follow the Ravens from from a distance and see

710
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: basically the highs and the lows and if the team

711
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: loses a game, whether it's you know, it goes through

712
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: a rough stretch and there's criticism, um, and you know

713
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: how hard you know, Jim and John and Tom are

714
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: all working basically like being away from it and removed

715
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: from it, but also being inside of it because you're

716
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: so close to obviously your children and just basically having

717
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: to watch it from that distance the parent and I

718
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: don't want to help, and you know, just the highs

719
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: and the lows of of a coach when you're removed

720
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: from the situation. I've been around it so long. I

721
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: understand understand that. I understand there's there's criticism, and you

722
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: can't you can't focus on that. You can't you can't

723
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 1: look at that is how you're going to coach your

724
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: team or how you're gonna approach your team that next day.

725
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: You can't worry about what's what, what the outside noise is.

726
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta you gotta be strong enough to,

727
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, to bring it all back and focus on this.

728
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: And there's been times we've called John, I mean, you know,

729
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: they've been unfortunate and lost the tough, tough game. And

730
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: my first thing is, I can't tell you how proud

731
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: I am of you. I mean, you coach that that

732
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: football team, that that team was prepared to play, and

733
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: they played as hard and as well as they could

734
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: possibly play. And this this this not what it was,

735
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: not your day. But uh but I I I wished,

736
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: I really wished, and I say this sincerely, I wished

737
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: I would have had a chance to have been mentored

738
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: by a John Harball and a Jim Harball before I

739
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: ever started my coaching career. I'll tell you what, I

740
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: would have been a better coach. I would have been

741
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: a much much better coach. Well. The reason that maybe

742
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: that's true because we got a chance to get mentored

743
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: by by you and my mom and learn those kind

744
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: of lessons, you know, whether it's being yourself because we

745
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: learned from that that experience that you had, you know,

746
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: and took that with us and didn't have to learn

747
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: that the hard way for ourselves. Of course, he called

748
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: John and say, that's dang. That is that that is

749
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: there's no officials ever made a call against a Raven

750
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: football team when her son was coaching at a referee

751
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: did that. Well, I won't say what she says because

752
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: but she's she's very uh, she's loyal. As you talk

753
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: about watching a game in our house on a Sunday

754
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: afternoon or Sunday evening or whatever, when the game is

755
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: being played, we can't watch the game together. I mean

756
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: she is stomping the floor and just screaming and yelling

757
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: at the screen and and going off and off, and

758
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: I just want to watch. Just let me. I'm combats.

759
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm here. I'm watching this. So I'm in the basement

760
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: watching and she's upstairs watching. And unfortunately in our home

761
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: in ann Arbor, there's a delay. She gets to play

762
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: about two seconds before I get it. I'm thinking that

763
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm just putting the quarterbacks putting his hand under center.

764
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: I said, this isn't good, as God is my witness.

765
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: I can only hope and pray that there's more cheers

766
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: before you know what happened? How long does it taken

767
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: before you call and stop that I'm sitting here vouch

768
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: for what I'm doing. I'm crossing my heart and raising

769
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: my hand. I closed the basement door. I try to

770
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: seal out any kind of noise I could get. I

771
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: put on a pair of I'm telling you just so,

772
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't know even good plays. I want to see him.

773
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to know what's coming. So it's funny

774
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: question for you. What what would you say? And I

775
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: know this is a big picture. What's the best part

776
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: of being an NFL hook coach and what's the toughest part.

777
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: What's your least favorite part? The best part is being

778
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: around the guys. The best part is having my daughter

779
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: be a part of it and be on the sideline,

780
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: going into the way room and working out with the

781
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: coaches and the players and laugh and going to practice

782
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: and going through a practice. I mean, everything that you

783
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: do through the week is the best part. The toughest

784
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: parts of the games. You know, the game is the

785
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: toughest part because you know that's where that's where you know,

786
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: things happen, they're so out of your control, I mean,

787
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: just so hard for you to just really get a

788
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: handle on. But you know, when I'll say this, though,

789
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: the most rewarding moments are the ones where you you're

790
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: able to you know, either a player makes a play

791
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: that's something you worked on, or you come up with

792
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: an idea one of your coaches had some kind of

793
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: game plan idea that works or you or you make

794
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: a call you know, you go for it and it works. Um,

795
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: those are the things that are definitely the most rewarding

796
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: parts of it in the end. So it's kind of

797
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: all intertwined. But but being around the players, being a

798
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: part of a team, uh, you know, that's what's all

799
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: That's what's all about. All right. So let's finish some

800
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: quick hitters. We've got some quick heaters here that we

801
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: want to ask you never good at these? Are you

802
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: good at these? I think you like some of these?

803
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: Young all right, we'll start off your history guy. Okay,

804
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: we'll start off with you. If you can step back

805
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: into the time machine and go back in time. What

806
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: time period are you going to, Well, I'm gonna go

807
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 1: to I'm gonna go from a face standpoint. I gotta

808
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: go to you know, the first first century, you know, Israel,

809
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: Palestine and hang out and see what the heck went

810
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: on there. That's pretty good stuff. Would you rather go

811
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: back in time or go into the future. Oh, rather

812
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: go back in time. I'd like to. I'd like to

813
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: see Lincoln. I like to. I'd like to be around Churchill.

814
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: I'll even be around Lincoln. I like to be around Washington. Uh. Yeah,

815
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: some of those guys would be pretty amazing. Well, that's

816
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: to the next question. If you could have dinner with

817
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: one person historical figure of all time, who are you

818
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: going to dinner with? I'm going with Lincoln. Let's go

819
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: and Jack. You know, I'd like to hang around church

820
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: a little bit, smoke a cigar. I don't think I'll smoke.

821
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure how to break as much brandy

822
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: as he I go enough, just like the watching draft

823
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,959
Speaker 1: up one of those how he moved those words around

824
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: and put him into place that he put him in

825
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: nice all right? And favorite guilty pleasure TV show for

826
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: both of you. Uh, kind of like The Office. I'm

827
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: like a run. I've been on a run on the Office.

828
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: I've been working on my way through actually saying, my

829
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: wife and I've been watching it. It's so strong, it strong,

830
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: it holds up blue Bluds, blue Bloods. Is anyone here

831
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: you watch blue Bloods? Now, you gotta watch it. We

832
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: get more things, I say we I'm talking about me.

833
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: I get more things out of this. Frank Reagan is

834
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: the police commissioner in New York City played by magnap

835
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: I by magnap On Tom Tom Selly. Every show there's

836
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: five or six things he says in there that you

837
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: could actually use for a pregame talk. Can you send

838
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: me some of this goes back to you. You are

839
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: getting them, I'm not getting from the office. I got

840
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 1: that probably that was good. And the last one wind

841
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: on this. You're the NFL commissioner for a day. What

842
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: are you changing, oh man? To get fined? Let's go

843
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: to you. You know what, I'm stumped. Guy's got a

844
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: tough job. Man, he's got a tough job. I would

845
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: say this. I really hope and pray that the c

846
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: B A that then this next time around, that they

847
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: do they cooperate. You know that the league and the

848
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: union could carpet because really, hey, we're all on this

849
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: thing together where it's it's for the game of football.

850
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: Let's get our minds together and get our heads together

851
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: and do some good things for both sides, for the

852
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: game and for the fans. You should sit down at

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Speaker 1: the Barten table. You know, it's a little off season,

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Speaker 1: you know, come in there with the ga shater. I

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Speaker 1: feel like both sides wouldn't want me and cool. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you, all right, so thank

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Speaker 1: you to John and Jack Hardball. Just really enjoyed the

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Speaker 1: conversation with them obviously. Um, you know, got some good

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Speaker 1: stories out of two of them. Um, both guys are

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Speaker 1: super passionate about football that comes across and and the

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Speaker 1: apple doesn't fall far from the tree, certainly with John Jack,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. And I don't know, I got to

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Speaker 1: talk about The Office some more. That's the key. I

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Speaker 1: didn't realize that, you know. I mean you and I

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Speaker 1: actually have both been watching, going back and rewatching these

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Speaker 1: episodes of The Office. Mays been into it too. I

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Speaker 1: thought you were just saying that because no, no, really, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you were making that up. You know, my wife Christie,

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Speaker 1: she basically started she started this, I don't know, a

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Speaker 1: couple of months ago, Like whenever there's a down moment,

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Speaker 1: just like put it on. Every season is on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: It's super easy that it's it's a quick, easy half

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Speaker 1: hour that like, it's just relaxing television if you're like

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Speaker 1: eating lunch or something like that. It's twenty two minutes,

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Speaker 1: twenty two minutes even faster, so you can you can

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Speaker 1: squeeze out a whole bunch of episodes. And I'll say, like, wait,

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Speaker 1: I just knocked out five episodes every every night too.

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Speaker 1: I'm always like Chris and I will be watching It's

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Speaker 1: not every night, but we'll be watching it, you know

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Speaker 1: when it comes at eleven o'clock and you're like, I

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Speaker 1: can see more more. Yeah, yeah, sure, one more than

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Speaker 1: that day. Yeah, I feel like but anyway, yeah, good stuff.

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Speaker 1: I just have to see if it's a Michael Scott

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Speaker 1: preaking new speeches. Yeah. I did send John that clip

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Speaker 1: of the cat's jumping at each other and that that

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Speaker 1: cat tackle. You know, he's meeting nice perfect. So I'm

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Speaker 1: helping the call sometime in terms of keeping it fresh

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Speaker 1: around here. But really good stuff, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think you can send it's from from both of them,

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Speaker 1: you know, Jack after watching a few days of practice

891
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Speaker 1: that they're really excited for football. I think that this

892
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: team is looking good, trending in the right direction, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for Thursday night in Canton to see

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Speaker 1: what this team's got. We're not you know, it's I

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Speaker 1: don't know if Joe's gonna play at all, I would

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Speaker 1: do it, but so it's not a true test. But

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Speaker 1: I'm still excited to see whatever weeks. Yeah, absolutely, it's

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Speaker 1: real football. We're gonna get up to see a lot

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Speaker 1: all of our Jackson ray Lewis. Obviously, you know, the

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Speaker 1: that out, we're gonna bring the podcast to Canton, so

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