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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Arranging mother in law orders a hit on her law

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Speaker 2: professor's son in law and she's convicted now to walk

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Speaker 2: free because she alleges youror misconduct and oh yes, TikTok

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Speaker 2: is involved. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying his head is bloody, now, yes, some bloody.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's window shattered. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 4: tried to shoot himself. I don't know what the situation.

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Speaker 4: He's not responding to that, but his head's kind of

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Speaker 4: rolling around him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, is she conscious?

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Speaker 4: Well, I can't tell.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the killer mother in law, Donna Adelson,

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Speaker 2: who is so incensed that her son in law refuses

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Speaker 2: to let his children move seven hours away from his

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Speaker 2: home where he teaches law school to be closer to

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Speaker 2: her the grandma that she orders a hint and has

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Speaker 2: him executed.

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Speaker 1: Really, okay, listen to this.

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Speaker 3: One wants see address of your emergency. Okay, tell exactly

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Speaker 3: what happened.

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Speaker 4: We heard looked in the garage, goal was up and

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Speaker 4: I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I went

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Speaker 4: back to my house, but he never backed out, and

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Speaker 4: I came back over and his wind his driver's side

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Speaker 4: window is shattered, and he's moving his head around, but

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Speaker 4: he's not responding. I've called his name, asked what's going on?

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Speaker 4: And I call his name, asking what's happening. He's not

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Speaker 4: responding to that, but his head's kind of rolling around.

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Speaker 3: Okay, is he conscious?

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Speaker 4: Well, I can't tell.

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Speaker 3: Okay, is he breathing?

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Speaker 4: I can't tell that. I'm assuming he's breathing if he's

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Speaker 4: moving his head around.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever hear him talk or anything? Okay, he said,

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Speaker 3: he's sitting in the car right correct the driver's seat.

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Speaker 1: You know what that means.

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Speaker 2: And shortly I'm going to go to a renowned medical

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Speaker 2: examiner on this, Professor Dan Markel, was actually alive? Was

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Speaker 2: he seeing his life flash before him?

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Speaker 1: In his own garage?

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Speaker 2: There he is with his ex wife, Wendy Adelson, practically

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Speaker 2: the only one left in the family that hasn't been

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Speaker 2: charged with the murder. And now, just so you know,

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Speaker 2: when you don't know a horse, look at her track record.

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Speaker 2: This killer mother in law has already tried to get

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Speaker 2: out of jail, claiming she had earwax and because the

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Speaker 2: food sucks. Their words, not mine. Really get used to it, woman,

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Speaker 2: get used to it.

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Speaker 1: We're going straight to the scene.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now in Miami, renowned private investigator Robert Crispin

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Speaker 2: of CRISP Special Investigations, former Federal Task Force officer for USDJ.

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Speaker 2: Joining us, Robert, Robert, can we just clarify the problem

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Speaker 2: the so called killer mother in law Donna Adelson had

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Speaker 2: her her son in law, Professor Dan Markel, comes home

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Speaker 2: and by the way, I had heard of him in

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Speaker 2: legal circles as being brilliant all right when he was.

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Speaker 1: Alive, So she the wife, no, let me start with him.

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Speaker 2: Markel comes home from work to find the furniture gone,

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Speaker 2: his wife gone, and most important, his little boy's gone.

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Speaker 2: Then Wendy Adelson's family aggressively hides his children from him,

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Speaker 2: and Wendy Adelson's a lawyer. How she allowed this to happen,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, But then wanted to move the children

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Speaker 2: from where he was guests around Tallahassee all the way

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Speaker 1: How far of a drive would that be, Crispin, every

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Speaker 1: bit of eight hours.

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Speaker 5: It's a long trek from Tallahassee all the way down

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Speaker 1: At least where are you? What is that behind you, Crispin?

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Speaker 5: So I'm coming to you, live, Nancy, right outside where

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Speaker 5: Donna Adelson's multimillion dollar condo sits, perched on keep a skain,

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Speaker 5: overlooking the city of Miami skyline, all the cruise ships

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Speaker 5: a skain.

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Speaker 1: Her view is insane.

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Speaker 5: In her multimillion dollar condo, she has traded for a

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Speaker 2: Well, that is quite a change in circumstances, is it not,

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Speaker 2: Because now she's sitting in a jail cell, Crispin, with

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Speaker 2: whining about TikTok of all things and demanding a new trial.

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Speaker 2: You know what, sometimes when money talks, justice walks, and

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Speaker 2: I don't want to see that happening.

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Speaker 1: These people are loaded loaded.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear about the wedding that Wendy Adelson had

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Speaker 2: with Markel?

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Speaker 1: I mean over the top.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking ice sculptures, five star venue, the works.

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Speaker 1: They are loaded And now hold on, you got to

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Speaker 1: hear this.

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Speaker 2: You've got to hear this, Crispin again, When you don't

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Speaker 2: know a horse.

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Speaker 1: Look at her track record.

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Speaker 2: Now she's whining she needs a new trial because of TikTok. Okay,

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Speaker 2: she probably never even heard of TikTok she was sitting

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Speaker 2: in her jail cell. But this is her track record.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this complaint.

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Speaker 6: So I have a hearing issue.

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Speaker 7: I have a problem. I evidently have very narrow ear canals,

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Speaker 7: and so doing getting the West builds up in my

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Speaker 7: ears to the point that I mean, I have officers

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Speaker 7: and say to me, are you jeff atels? And when

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Speaker 7: I don't respond to them, it's because I don't hear them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, really, she wanted out from behind bars because

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Speaker 2: of her ear wax, And I'm supposed to take her

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Speaker 2: seriously because she claims your arm misconduct and TikTok. Really

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Speaker 2: have you ever in your life and you've probably dealt

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Speaker 2: with as many felons as I have heard anyone complain

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Speaker 2: they should be set free because of ear wax.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's probably the first one I've heard about, is

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Speaker 5: that one? But if you think about it, Nancy, according

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Speaker 5: to the law enforcement, perched up there on the sixteenth

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Speaker 5: floor of per condo with this beautiful view is where

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Speaker 5: she orchestrated this entire mastermind of having him killed.

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Speaker 1: So it's pretty quiet up there, you know, isn't it true?

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Jji Mkelvey joining us investigative journalists and hosts.

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Speaker 1: Are pre elies and alibis.

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Speaker 2: Gigi didn't she make another bid at freedom, claiming the

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Speaker 2: food behind bars was making her fat.

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Speaker 8: She did because commissary food is not healthy. It is

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Speaker 8: just junk food. And she complained that she had gained

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Speaker 8: a lot of weight since her incarceration, as a lot

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Speaker 8: of inmates do because they don't like the prison food

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Speaker 8: and they do have that option to buy a lot

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Speaker 8: of foods that are high and fast and salt. That

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Speaker 8: was another reason she thought she needed to be let out.

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Speaker 2: Salt and high fat content. Okay, you know what that

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Speaker 2: that leaves me at a loss. But I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: judge her complaint. She says, TikTok has destroyed her life

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Speaker 2: and one's youror in specific. Well, you know what, can

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Speaker 2: I remind everybody it's not about her ear wax, or

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Speaker 2: her starchy food or tick tight It's about this.

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Speaker 4: Bloody now, yes, some bloody. I mean it's the windows shattered.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he's tried to shoot himself. I

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Speaker 4: don't know what the situation is.

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Speaker 3: It's the driver's side window, correct, that's correct.

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Speaker 4: He's still moving around, So who's alive?

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Speaker 3: Okay, looks like I should have an officer coming up

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Speaker 3: the roadway. Okay, well we need the MP. The officer's

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Speaker 3: going to be there first. They're not going to come

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Speaker 3: until we figure out what's going on. But they're on

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Speaker 3: the way as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'd better be if this guy's got to shut

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Speaker 2: a Philip Debey, joining US veteran trial lawyer out of

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Speaker 2: the California jurisdiction, tried a ton of cases. A Phillip debay,

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Speaker 2: How can I take anything this woman says seriously when

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Speaker 2: she's been complaining about the starchy food behind bars.

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Speaker 1: Hey, she gets donuts, she gets breads.

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Speaker 2: She also gets high protein like eggs, meat, vegetables. But

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Speaker 2: she's whining about Italian night really and the ear wax

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Speaker 2: in her ears, And now she wants me to believe

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Speaker 2: she should walk free. Walk free on a murder charge,

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Speaker 2: not just a murder charge, not I'm mad at you bang,

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Speaker 2: a long thought out and planned execution style murder because

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Speaker 2: Markel would not go along with moving his children eight

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Speaker 2: hours away from him, and now I'm supposed to pay

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Speaker 2: attention to her TikTok compliant.

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Speaker 9: What can I tell you? She was a tin pot

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Speaker 9: dictator within the family. And the days of her horsh

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Speaker 9: glinses in vodka are over and she's going to be

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Speaker 9: living on what we call the high fives, meaning the

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Speaker 9: high fat, the high cholesterol, the high sodium, the high

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Speaker 9: fruitose corn syrup, and the high cholesterol. And she needs

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Speaker 9: to get used to it and make sure she has

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Speaker 9: a doctor behind bars to keep her on statins and

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Speaker 9: heart medication because that is going to be her life. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 9: now having said that, it doesn't mean she doesn't have

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Speaker 9: a post trial motion regarding jurreami'sconduct, and it remains to

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Speaker 9: be seeing what the evidence is to show during this conduct.

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Speaker 9: If it is a viable claim, then the court can

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Speaker 9: actually grant the relief and order a hearing. And that's

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Speaker 9: the endgame here, is to get the hearing. So before

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Speaker 9: you even get to a new trial, the court has

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Speaker 9: to find that there wasn't fact misconduct, much of it

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Speaker 9: hinges on a credibility pall. If the court actually believes

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Speaker 9: the testimony of these kicktoker jurors. Then she doesn't get

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Speaker 9: a new trial, she stands convicted, and off she goes

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Speaker 9: to prison to ensure her five highs.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to doctor Judy hoe joining us clinical friends

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Speaker 2: at neuropsychologist, author of the New Rules of Attachment and

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Speaker 2: Stop Self Sabotage. You can find her doctor judyhoeho dot com.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Judy, thank you for being with us. Could you

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Speaker 2: just help me out? Because all on her from debate?

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Speaker 10: Then then.

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Speaker 1: Help me out.

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Speaker 2: How can anybody take Donna Adelson anything?

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Speaker 1: She says, seriously, Nancy, we can't.

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Speaker 11: I mean, you even see her demeanor as she's trying

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Speaker 11: no self awareness that this would sound ridiculous to pretty

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Speaker 11: much everyone listening her whole diatribe about the ear wax

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Speaker 11: and how much it's bothering her and how people are

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Speaker 11: accusing her of being deaf, that that's one of her

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Speaker 11: biggest problems. Can we please focus on the core of

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Speaker 11: the problem. Why are you there in the first place?

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Speaker 11: Why are you incarcerated because you have been charged with

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Speaker 11: first degree murder the loss of another human life, a

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Speaker 11: family member. You stripped your grandchildren of their father, and

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Speaker 11: you're talking about your ear wax. Nancy, it was hard

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Speaker 11: for me to have some compassion as she was talking

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Speaker 11: about that. And you know, I am someone who was

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Speaker 11: supposed to have built my career on compassion, and it

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Speaker 11: was still a struggle for me, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: So maybe you have to help.

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Speaker 2: Me today, you know, just you never hear any from

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Speaker 2: her about the death of her son in law and

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Speaker 2: what this has meant to her grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: There was a point, isn't this true?

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Speaker 2: Sidney Sunray joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter that she

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Speaker 2: offered or suggested offering to Professor Markel a million dollars

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Speaker 2: to let go of the children and let them move

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Speaker 2: to be closer to her than the grandmother. And when

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Speaker 2: that didn't work, she said, let's tell them, let's tell

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Speaker 2: him that we have converted them to Catholicism and baptized

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Speaker 2: them because they're devout Jews.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is wrong with her?

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Speaker 2: Could you fill me in on those two attempts by

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Speaker 12: I cannot believe how much this woman hated Dan Markel

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Speaker 2: Here are the claims exactly that Donna Adelson, who was

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Speaker 15: Overall, it took us about just over three hours to deliberate.

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Speaker 16: And reach our final verdicts.

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Speaker 15: Donna Nielson was found guilty on all three charges for

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Speaker 2: I can finally talk that drom at Lacey with aj

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Speaker 2: I'd love to have a gr like that. She's proud

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Speaker 1: You're not kidding, do Maybe what's wrong with what she said?

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Speaker 2: Aielsen asked for it, she did it, she deserved it,

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Speaker 1: Why what's the problem?

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Speaker 9: And the remedy for that is the tinpot dictator gets

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Speaker 2: When I think for a miss Trump be granted, you

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Speaker 1: Hold on, let's hear more from Lacey.

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Speaker 6: Anything I said, it's just no words. Yeah, I said

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Speaker 6: Okay, we cannot seek out information.

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Speaker 17: About this case.

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Speaker 6: We cannot talk about the case with anyone, We cannot

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Speaker 6: We cannot do anything in regard to the case during

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Speaker 2: Whatever that Again, from at least you with aj On TikTok,

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Speaker 1: I know you went to law school and you tried

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Speaker 1: Can you believe it was just a few.

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Speaker 2: Short days ago that you voted guilty? You did vote guilty,

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Speaker 18: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 17: This doesn't surprise me at all. It would only make

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Speaker 2: Sounds like Donna Adelson didn't make a very good impression

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Speaker 19: There were certain witnesses that when they brought in, I

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Speaker 2: is that that juror judged her Adelson on her reactions

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Speaker 8: It's a human thing to do. And so I think

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Speaker 8: that in the jury room. There's no harm, no foul.

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Speaker 16: So long story short, doctor gud how can you listen

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Speaker 1: What is she talking about? Exactly, Nancy.

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Speaker 11: And no matter what we do, as human beings, given

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Speaker 1: We would love to say.

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Speaker 11: That that's not going to be the case.

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Speaker 1: That's just not true. We are emotional beings. That's how

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Speaker 11: And so you're hearing the evidence and then you're trying

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Speaker 2: Guys, speaking of her reactions, watch her reaction.

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Speaker 1: When the jury hands down the verdict.

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Speaker 10: We have a jury find as follows as the count

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Speaker 10: guilty of first degree murder. Missus Adelson, control yourself. Count two.

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Speaker 10: We have a jury find as follows as the count

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Speaker 1: Did you see the crime? Did you see that?

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Speaker 2: But nothing about Dan Markel, her dad's son in law,

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Speaker 11: The first time does she shows such a extreme emotion

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Speaker 1: And I would also.

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Speaker 11: Argue that when someone has such an extreme reaction, even

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Speaker 1: This is why she was told to control herself.

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Speaker 11: Most people are not going to actually look kindly on that,

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Speaker 1: Where was this? The rest of trial, they're.

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Speaker 11: Going to see the incongruency and it's going to be

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Speaker 2: What about this, I don't know if this is in

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Speaker 16: Watch this dot gudi Count three.

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Speaker 10: We the jury find as follows. As the count three

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Speaker 10: If you cannot control yourself, I am going to have

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Speaker 18: If you'll be removed from.

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Speaker 10: The remainder of this process. Do you understand what I'm

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Speaker 17: Yes?

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Speaker 10: Do you need a moment to collect yourself.

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Speaker 1: Again?

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Speaker 2: From our friends at Tallahassee Democrat daughter Judy Hoe, did

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Speaker 2: you see her between all that she said something very angrily,

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Speaker 11: And this is why people are going to look at

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Speaker 13: Adolson claims the continued behavior eroded the defense's credibility in

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Speaker 13: the eyes of the jury. Adolsen also claims footage of

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Speaker 13: the proceedings shows gallery members making faces at the jurors

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Speaker 13: throughout the trial, distracting them from testimony.

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Speaker 2: Well, if the gallery, the paint gallery had disrupted the trial,

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Speaker 2: I would have expected the judge to throw them out.

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Speaker 2: If this is true, Adelson complaining about the environment in

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Speaker 2: the courtroom is what convicted her. Well, the evidence was

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Speaker 2: overwhelming that she was involved in Markell's murder. Let's go

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Speaker 2: straight back out to Evan Higginbotham. Evan, what was your

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Speaker 2: first impression of Donna Edelson?

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Speaker 18: My first imprint?

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Speaker 17: It is hard to say because whenever I first came

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Speaker 17: in for a jury selection, she's an older lady, so

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Speaker 17: I wasn't certain who the defense attorneys were. They're all

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Speaker 17: sitting behind in the same desk, And it took until

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Speaker 17: me walking back there and speak to the defense team

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Speaker 17: and the prosecutors on the second day of jury selection

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Speaker 17: for me to realize that she was deft and I

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Speaker 17: had no opinion on her.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, that's really funny. Funny, odd and funny. I

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Speaker 2: say predictable because I believe it is harder for gurrrs

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Speaker 2: to convict a woman of a violent crime such as murder.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, you came in.

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Speaker 2: And it took you a while to realize, Oh, it's

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Speaker 2: a little old lady.

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Speaker 1: Speaking charged with murder.

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Speaker 2: Because, for instance, I think of my own mother, and

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Speaker 2: my mother raised me, she took care of me, she

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Speaker 2: sacrificed for me. It's really hard for me to imagine

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Speaker 2: someone like my mother committing a murder or planning a murder.

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Speaker 2: Now tell me that again, how long did it take

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Speaker 2: you to realize, Oh, the older lady is the one

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Speaker 2: charged with murder.

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Speaker 3: I left the.

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Speaker 17: First day of jury selection, not I'm sure who the

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Speaker 17: defendant was. It took me coming back, and then after

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Speaker 17: I finally got in there and the defense attorney started

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Speaker 17: as speaking to me, for me Okay, so she's the.

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Speaker 2: Defendant, Dubey, that is the defense attorney's dream guror they

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Speaker 2: can't with the defendant sitting right in front of them,

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Speaker 2: their mind cannot grasp she, the little old lady, is

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Speaker 2: the one charged with murder.

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Speaker 1: He just can't comprehend that.

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Speaker 9: Well, that's why I always advise to be yourself a trial.

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Speaker 9: I don't know why they clad her in an hout

489
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Speaker 9: is looking like Grandma Walton, because she really wasn't being herself.

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Speaker 9: And I got to tell you, on a personal level,

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Speaker 9: I don't agree with the judge the way he chied

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Speaker 9: it and casteized her in open court. The lady just

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Speaker 9: literally found out in a couple of words that whatever

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Speaker 9: left of her life is over, as opposed to finding

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Speaker 9: out that there is no Santa Claus anymore. It is ridiculous,

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Speaker 9: and it looks like she was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I do say that's falling flat

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Speaker 2: with me, because all that matters right now is will

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Speaker 2: there be a new trial. And this was already at

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Speaker 2: the verdict phase.

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Speaker 1: The trial was over. That did not affect the verdict.

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Speaker 2: When he said get a hold of yourself, woman, look and.

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Speaker 1: All that is total bs. She you know what.

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Speaker 3: Too.

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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin joining us. He's been with the fence, he's

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Speaker 1: been with DOJ.

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Speaker 2: Now he's joining Crispin Special Investigation, former homicide detective. She

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Speaker 2: did it, and now she's looking around going, oh my stars, Lilo,

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Speaker 2: me is in jail.

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Speaker 1: This can't be real. How can I get out of here? Claw? Claw, Claw,

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening. She did it.

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Speaker 5: Come on, Nancy, how many juries have we sat in?

513
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Speaker 5: How many trials have we sat in?

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Speaker 1: The rubber hit the road? For Donna, it hit the road.

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Speaker 5: The evidence was against her, The gallery wasn't against her,

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Speaker 5: the jury wasn't against her.

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Speaker 1: The evidence was against her. She never thought, birched.

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Speaker 5: Up on the sixteenth floor, that she would ever, ever,

519
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Speaker 5: ever get caught orchestrating and masterminding.

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Speaker 1: This entire murder.

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Speaker 5: But guess what, that jury came back in such a

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Speaker 5: short amount of time, and listening to some of the

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Speaker 5: conversations from those jurors when they got out, they did

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Speaker 5: an initial are you guilty?

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Speaker 1: Is she guilty or not?

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Speaker 5: When they were in their final deliberations, and they all

527
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Speaker 5: came back guilty. So nobody convicted Donna but herself. Not you,

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Speaker 5: not me, not the panic gallery, not the cops. Donna

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Speaker 5: Addison convicted herself.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Crispin, which one of those buildings behind you was

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Speaker 2: her high rise? I guess a husband's still there, But

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Speaker 2: which one is it?

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Speaker 5: So look, there's those two green glass buildings right there,

534
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Speaker 5: one with the white dome on it is the one

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Speaker 5: that she lived in, and it's up there on the

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Speaker 5: sixteen sixteen oh nine, sixteen four multimillion dollars. Nancy, I'm

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Speaker 5: telling you it's Scott sprawling insane views.

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Speaker 20: Insane views.

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Speaker 5: Guess what she's now sitting in jail cell for the

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Speaker 5: rest of her lifense.

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Speaker 2: I guess some people are just so rich and so

542
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Speaker 2: living in a bubble. They're rich bubble. They think they

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Speaker 2: can get away with everything. Markel was just like a

544
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Speaker 2: paper cut, is it? You squashed it and throw it

545
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Speaker 2: in the trash and don't think about it again. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this guy was a brilliant lawyer, but more important, a

547
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Speaker 2: loving dad that did not want to be away from

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Speaker 2: his children. He wouldn't take a million dollars literally to

549
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Speaker 2: be away from them. It wasn't about money, it was

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Speaker 2: about them, them, That's all he cared about.

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Speaker 1: Crispin.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was a brutal homicide. That was a

553
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Speaker 5: great guy, a great father, a pillar in our community

554
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Speaker 5: in the legal profession. She masterminded this and took all

555
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Speaker 5: that away from him. Nan, she all that away, and

556
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Speaker 5: she treated all this in for her jail cell. So

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Speaker 5: you know what it is? What it is?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's not a legal theory, but it's true.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now, an incredible medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crowns,

560
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Speaker 2: talking about Save the Best for Last Chief Medical Examiner

561
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Speaker 2: Terran County.

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Speaker 1: That's fort Worth.

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Speaker 2: He is a host of a brand new hit podcast,

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Speaker 2: Mayhem in the Morgue. He is an esteemed lecturer at

565
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Speaker 2: the Brunette School of Medicine at TCU, And it goes

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Speaker 2: on and on, but for my purposes, has performed literally

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Speaker 2: thousands of autopsies. Can we have a reality check from

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Speaker 2: Donna Adelson in her ear wax and her starchy food

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Speaker 2: and her whining and crying about people that made fun

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Speaker 2: of her. Markel is dead and he died in a

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Speaker 2: brutal fashion, and he had long enough to know he

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Speaker 2: was dying. It wasn't instantaneous, was it. Doctor Kyndall Crown's Noah.

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Speaker 20: Was not from the witness accounts he was moving after

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Speaker 20: he was shot, and based on the information we have,

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Speaker 20: there was a survival time period what the wounds were,

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Speaker 20: as he had a gunshot wound of his face that

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Speaker 20: entered into his cheek and another gunshot wound that entered

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Speaker 20: into his forehead. Now, the one in his cheek potentially

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Speaker 20: could not have hit vital structures that would have caused

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Speaker 20: him to die instantly, and the one in his forehead

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Speaker 20: potentially only encountered half.

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Speaker 3: Of his brain.

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Speaker 20: So if one half of your brain is hit, the

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Speaker 20: other half is still able to function and you aren't

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Speaker 20: going to die right away. But as you're sitting there

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Speaker 20: from the damage done by the gunshot wound, your brain

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Speaker 20: is going to swell and it's eventually going to pinch

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Speaker 20: off your brain stem and kill you. So that's why

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Speaker 20: when witnesses were there, they saw that he was still moving.

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Speaker 20: He probably only had half of his brain compromise, and

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Speaker 20: it took him a little while to die. The other

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Speaker 20: thing is is there's a mention of a gunshot wounded

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Speaker 20: the forearms, so he did probably try to shield himself

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Speaker 20: at one point before he got shot, and that's probably

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Speaker 20: why the cheek wound isn't as severe as the forehead.

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Speaker 1: Wound crime Stores. With Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Joining us tonight, a very special guest, Evan Higginbotham is

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Speaker 2: with us, aka your R number six.

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Speaker 1: Evan, thank you for being with.

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Speaker 18: Us, Hey, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever wonder why Professor Markel's wife, Wendy wasn't

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Speaker 2: charged because it seems like this whole murder plot, the

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Speaker 2: whole murder was so Wendy, then Markel could take her children,

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Speaker 2: the boys, and move to Miami. Did you ever wonder, well,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, how is she coming out smelling like

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Speaker 2: a rose?

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Speaker 17: I definitely was interested in trying to understand that at

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Speaker 17: the beginning, and at this point now after going through

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Speaker 17: the whole trial and seeing it, it makes a lot

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Speaker 17: of sense as to why Wendy's at the.

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Speaker 18: Back end of this and hasn't been charged with anything yet.

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Speaker 17: I mean, they did such a good job of insulating

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Speaker 17: each other throughout this whole conspiracy, from say Frado Garcia

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Speaker 17: all the way to Miss Elsen.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Evan Higginbotham, You're like a threat. You're

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Speaker 2: like a double threat. You've got charisma and brains. The

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Speaker 2: way you just said that you want to consider dumping

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Speaker 2: out of electrical engineering and going to law school. Referring

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Speaker 2: to how every member of the murder plot insulated each

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Speaker 2: other from getting.

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Speaker 1: Caught, what do you mean by that? Well, you're absolutely right,

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Speaker 1: number one. But what leads you to that observation.

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Speaker 17: Well, there was very little overlap in communication between Segfredo

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Speaker 17: Garcia to Catherine mcbena lah, from Cathrie mckrana Wah to Charlie,

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Speaker 17: and then from Charlie to Donna. There was a very

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Speaker 17: little overlap from that, so we didn't see very much

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Speaker 17: contact at on any from miss Eielson, Gothriye mcmanawah, vice versa,

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Speaker 17: or even Charlie to Secreto. And I think them setting

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Speaker 17: up that way and making sure that there was very

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Speaker 17: little contact outside of just their person makes it you

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Speaker 17: have to tie a connection further along able to make pet.

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Speaker 2: Did any of the other jurors wonder why the wife,

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Speaker 2: Wendy had not been charged.

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Speaker 17: I'm sure they have. I didn't seek to them very

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Speaker 17: much about that in any very deliberation. We stayed very

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Speaker 17: focused on just miss a. Viewers on trial with Donna,

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Speaker 17: I'm sure that they're probably just as interested to see.

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Speaker 18: On the back end that I am about.

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Speaker 17: Wendy's contribution to this, but I so very little to

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Speaker 17: all the other jurors about anyone outside of this. Miss

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Speaker 17: alelest in her.

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Speaker 1: Part that was wise.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you get in there, and what went through

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Speaker 2: your mind when they called you to be a gerr

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Speaker 2: one of the twelve.

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Speaker 17: My first thought was I'm going to miss a lot

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Speaker 17: of class and then and then it was a great experience.

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Speaker 17: I'm very grateful for being selected, But yeah, I was

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Speaker 17: surprised to be picked, though I thought that for sure,

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Speaker 17: me being a relatively young guy and being a student,

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Speaker 17: I figured it OU would be probably sent away pretty

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Speaker 17: early in the selection process.

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Speaker 2: What was the most difficult part of the deliberations, I

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Speaker 2: don't honestly.

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Speaker 17: It was going through the evidence. Again, there's a lot

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Speaker 17: of evidence to go through, so anything that we specifically

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Speaker 17: wanted to look at, we had to dig through and

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Speaker 17: find specifically what part of what piece of evidence we

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Speaker 17: wanted to go through, and that takes time to find.

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Speaker 17: And then But as far as like any sort of

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Speaker 17: friction between the jurors or anything like that, there was

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Speaker 17: very little. We all worked very professionally and pleasant discussion

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Speaker 17: the entire time there was any pickering or fighting, so

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Speaker 17: I was very impressed by everyone.

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Speaker 2: Did any fights break out, did anybody ever fight over

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Speaker 2: the evidence, or you know, did recollections vary as to

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Speaker 2: the evidence.

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Speaker 17: There was no viting whatsoever, which was surprising to me.

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Speaker 17: I expected there to be at least like some statsy

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Speaker 17: pickering here and there, but there was none of that.

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Speaker 17: There was different recollections, for sure. Some of us were

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Speaker 17: better note takers than others, so there would be things

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Speaker 17: where someone would mildly misremember something and then we'd go

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Speaker 17: back through the evidence to be okay. Well I was

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Speaker 17: taken on that, but everything was very pleasant.

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Speaker 2: Evan, you're describing a pretty peaceful deliberations. That's what I

677
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Speaker 2: want to hear, because dissension among the Gurrars and fighting

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Speaker 2: leads to reversals. What do you believe was the strongest

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Speaker 2: piece of evidence that convicted Adelson.

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Speaker 18: That's a difficult.

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Speaker 17: Question to answer because there's not It's not a case

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Speaker 17: where there's a smoking gun, so to say, it's a

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Speaker 17: lot of.

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Speaker 18: Small bits of evidence that add up.

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Speaker 17: To create a picture where that shows for guilty. I'd

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Speaker 17: say that some of the testimonies that really stood out

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Speaker 17: were definitely Chris Corbett as well as Rob Adelson.

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Speaker 18: I think we're very important. That's to us coming to

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Speaker 18: our conclusion.

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Speaker 1: What specifically about those two, I think that.

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Speaker 17: Rob's testimony gives a lot of insight into character that

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Speaker 17: you don't get from any of the other testimonies in

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Speaker 17: being such an integral part of her life, being herself,

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Speaker 17: her oldest son, and then Chris Corbett. The digital forensics

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Speaker 17: from that placing the cell phones at certain areas, as

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Speaker 17: well as being able to see the text messagesiness some

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Speaker 17: of the phone calls at what period of time helps

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Speaker 17: create help set up that picture and helped Bee able

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Speaker 17: to see where the communication was at the time when

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Speaker 17: she was partly in the regards to when it was happening.

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Speaker 2: What did you think about the sun, I mean the Maestro.

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Speaker 2: Did you guys hear evidence about his vanity tag Maestro?

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Speaker 17: I did not hear that specifically within the days, but

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Speaker 17: that doesn't surprise me after that day of us.

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Speaker 1: Listen, why do you say that I'm talking.

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Speaker 2: About Wendy's Wendy, the wife, Wendy who has not been charged,

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Speaker 2: brother who was right up in the middle of all

708
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Speaker 2: this doing his mother's bidding. He's already been convicted, of course,

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Speaker 2: had a vanity tag onnes What was it?

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Speaker 3: Jack?

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Speaker 2: A Lamborghini maestro, you know, the one that orchestrates everything.

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Speaker 2: Truer words were never spoken. What did you think about him?

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Speaker 18: I was hoping that we would.

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Speaker 17: Get a testimony from him of some kind. That may

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Speaker 17: not have been something that I wanted after got up

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Speaker 17: on the stand if that did end up happening, he

717
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 17: is someone that did like the ramble for sure. I

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Speaker 17: had my feel of hearing it from Carly on that

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Speaker 17: whole day of phone calls, like four hours worth of

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Speaker 17: was listening to Arley and Donna.

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Speaker 18: But that doesn't surprise me. It seemed like someone that.

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Speaker 17: Was very pervose and had a pretty big so attack

723
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Speaker 17: like that on this carps.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to believe everybody in the family and all

725
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Speaker 2: these people are involved and she knows nothing about it.

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Speaker 2: But again that said, she has not been named as

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Speaker 2: suspect or a person of interest in this case. Question Evan,

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Speaker 2: how did the crime scene photos affect you? Which photos

729
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Speaker 2: do you recall as being the most vivid?

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Speaker 3: The one of.

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Speaker 17: Mister Markel in the hospital was definitely a difficult one

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Speaker 17: to look at outside of that.

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Speaker 18: The other the ones of the crime scene, luckily were

734
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Speaker 18: not too strong, I guess would be the word I

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Speaker 18: would pick there.

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Speaker 17: The one of them in the hospital that with all

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Speaker 17: of the tubes and life support film was definitely one.

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Speaker 18: But yes, where reaction from me?

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Speaker 2: What did you make of the bump as it has

740
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Speaker 2: been called, We're an LA law enforcement agent bumps in

741
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: to Donna Adelson and ask for five thousand dollars to

742
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Speaker 2: basically keep quiet about what he allegedly knows about the murder?

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Speaker 1: What did you make of that?

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Speaker 2: And the phone calls that she had with her son

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Speaker 2: following the bump.

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Speaker 17: I think the bump operation was a really important part

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Speaker 17: of the space because nothing about the way she reacted

748
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Speaker 17: to that was ordinary.

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Speaker 18: Anyone else you would expect.

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Speaker 17: To immediately read the paper to begin with, and so

751
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Speaker 17: just sticking into your.

752
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Speaker 18: First and then would likely call the police it's.

753
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Speaker 17: Someone that is threatening or blackmailing you, and then definitely

754
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Speaker 17: not going to pick up your grandkids and then walk

755
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Speaker 17: them past the exact thing thought where that happened. So

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Speaker 17: I think that definitely set the tone for her involvement.

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Speaker 2: I mean, all I needed to hear is for people

758
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: to say, don't call me, don't talk about this on

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Speaker 2: the phone, Let's go outside where they're not any bugs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, why would you say that. I've never said

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Speaker 1: that in my whole life.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, definitely have strange behavior.

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Speaker 2: They thought of the boys living their life without their dad.

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Speaker 2: I believe their last names have been changed now. It's

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Speaker 2: almost as if Dan Markel has been totally erased.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, it's heartbreaking.

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Speaker 17: I feel terrible for those two kids because it's not

768
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Speaker 17: just the loss of their father, but it's the loss

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Speaker 17: of any normal life for them because that, you know,

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Speaker 17: they're getting to the age now where they absolutely have

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Speaker 17: to seeing some of the stuff that's living around the

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Speaker 17: Cairnet in regards to their mother and all with their family,

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Speaker 17: everything about their grandmother's trial, and that it's truly terrible

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Speaker 17: there because the victims and this as well.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 2: And now we remember an American hero, Sergeant David Miller,

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Speaker 2: Clark's Fulle PD Tennessee, killed in the line of duty

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Speaker 2: after twenty years service, leaving behind grieving wife Amy and

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Speaker 2: two children. American hero, Rest in peace, Sergeant David Miller.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,