1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Mmm, Hello, and welcome once again to Behind the Bastards, 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: the show where we tell you everything you don't know 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: about the very worst people in all history. I'm Robert Evans, 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: our host, and my guest this week is Dave Ross, 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: co host of Suicide Friends. No, damn it, that's okay, man, 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: It's Suicide Buddies, Suicide Buddy, Suicide Friends. It's funny. That 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: sounds like a kid's show. I keep yeah, okay, Off Mike, Oh, 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: this is not gonna go. I mean it could, this 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: is great. You should. I don't know, man, I like 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: my favorite thing in the world is mistakes. It's uh, 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: that's where all of my comedy comes from, my own mistakes. 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: And it's especially going because we're recording this immediately after 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: recording part one, so I haven't even had the excuse 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: of a couple of days way time to get this wrong. 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: Now we've been hanging out yeah and you got yeah, 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: you got my name wrong and a terrible person. And 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: at one point, Off Mike, you referred to the podcast 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: as suicide Club, and I just love that because that 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: really sounds like we're gonna die on the podcast. Suicide 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: Buddies does too. It does I'm still it's my podcast, 21 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: and I'm still not entirely sold on the name, uh 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: suicide Buddies. We're trying to we're trying to imply that 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: it's a fun suicide podcast, because it is Buddies. It is. 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: It's like we talk about a different person in history 25 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: every week who killed themselves. Oh that's a great idea. Yeah, 26 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: it's fun, and but we're two comics, so we get real, 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: real ridiculous with sure. Yeah, well let's get ridiculous with 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: Paul man Afford again. Yeah. Yeah. If you're if you're 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: just tuning into this and you didn't hear part one, 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: I would recommend listening to part one of our Paul 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: man Afford episode. We talked about how he changed lobbying 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: from a thing that people didn't really do into a 33 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: thing that there's tens of thousands of lobbyists now, and 34 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: it's influences or democracy at every level. A lot of 35 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: that's Paul Manafort's doing. He's the guy who wrought lobbying 36 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: for dictatorships to the United States back into vogue. Um, 37 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: and we had just yeah, you didn't even invent lobbying. 38 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: He just made it bad. He just made it worse 39 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: and bigger. Yeah, and he he fucked our whole democracy 40 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: by doing it. Um, but at the point of our 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: story that we're at, uh, he is fucking Ukraine's democracy. 42 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: He started working with a guy named Victor Yanukovich and 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: a Russian billionaire named Oleg Deripashka, both of whom his 44 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: names I pronounced correctly. I think while getting your name 45 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: Dave wrong just a minute ago, because I I am 46 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: the real bastard behind the show. You are truly are 47 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: my Paul Manifort. Everyone someone's Paul Manifort. That's probably true. 48 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: Paul Manafort thinks about that when he needs to feel 49 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: better about himself. I wonder that's that is probably not 50 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: that inaccurate. Look, other people are bad too, Sherry or whatever, 51 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: his wife. So what if I've helped a couple of 52 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: civil wars last longer? Yeah, man, it's funny to think 53 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: that you're right. No matter who you are, there's someone 54 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: out there who's like, a, yeah, Dan Ross, I'm Dan Ross. 55 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: Now he said it off Mike, it was yeah, I'm 56 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: the one bringing it back up. I'm Paul Manaford. No, 57 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: but I want people to know how terrible I am. 58 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: It's important. I want people to know how terrible I am. Well, 59 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: this is a great show to be on. Then we 60 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: should start a podcast called the Paul Manaforts, The Paul's Maniford. 61 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: You're right, No, that was unfair of me. I don't 62 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: want to be unfair to Paul Manford. Um. So yeah, 63 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: Paul Manaford has you know, advised Victor Yunukovich on what 64 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: he needs to do in order to win the presidency 65 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: because he lost back in two thousand five. He hasn't 66 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: changed his hair, has n't getting new suits. It changes 67 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: the way his his party starts, you know, agitating and 68 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: basically trying to get him to use US style political 69 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: tactics to win election Ukraine. And this strategy works Yunukovich's 70 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: party over the next couple of years, when's a bunch 71 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: of seats in parliament, and in two thousand and ten 72 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: Ukovich was finally elected president. His opponent was arrested a 73 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: year later, and you Nukovich sort of went full dictator, 74 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: buying himself an enormous palace with a floating restaurant on 75 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: a private lake and turning the Federal riot police the 76 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: Barkut into an instrument for enforcing his will. He did 77 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: that like like a fucking finger snap fast, like just instantly, dictator. 78 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: It's it's almost almost laudable how quickly he's like, all right, 79 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: gonna jail my opponent and start building a palace. Instantly. 80 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: Dictator sounds a lot like the phrase suddenly Susan. Yes, 81 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: which that was a TV show, right it was. It 82 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: was a corny I think t g I F said, 83 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: come well, someone should reboot it and Susan should be 84 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: a Eastern European dictator. Yea, yeah, putting people on the 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: rack but tawning their feet. Yeah yeah, but with a 86 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: laugh track. With a laugh track of course. Yes, people 87 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: know the torture scenes are funny as opposed to horrifying. Yeah. Uh, 88 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: you know. This went great for Paul obviously, the fact 89 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: that he had actually successfully gotten a dictator into our 90 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: uh so he just basically started writing down blank checks 91 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: for the sums of money he needed to continue to 92 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: help Yanukovich out. Yanukovich would send his chief of staff 93 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: out to shake down oligarchs for cash, and they always 94 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: paid because Manafort had given them control of the entire country. 95 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: So he's getting millions of dollars these oligarchs are getting 96 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: to do whatever they want without human rights concerns, and 97 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: Victor Yanukovich is getting to move his country closer to 98 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin's Russia, even though most people in the country 99 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: don't want that. So it's it's working out for everybody. 100 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: For no one gets hurt in the process at all, 101 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: for sure, No, it's wonderful and it seems like it's 102 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: gonna last perfectly forever. Uh Maniford also continue to work 103 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: with Oleg Deripashka during this period. Now, Oleg had amassed 104 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: and a preposterous fortune in Russia's bloody aluminum Wars, which 105 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: caused more death than a lot of actual wars. Um 106 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: So when the Soviet Union fell right on the Soviet Union, 107 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: all of these different industries and stuff are owned by 108 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: the states, so they're own collectively by all the people. 109 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: So when the Soviet Union stops being a thing, the 110 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: thing that they land on essentially is giving all the 111 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: people vouchers for a tiny percentage of control of these 112 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: various industries, the gas industry, these aluminum companies, whatever. Everybody 113 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: gets a chunk of that. And it seemed like the 114 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: right way to at the time, sort of nationalize the 115 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: economy and benefit all the people. But what happens in 116 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: practices that a small number of enterprising billionaires basically buy 117 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 1: up all of the these people for like beer money, 118 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: and then wind up amassing enormous fortunes and we'll run 119 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: in the conflict money oleg is considered. Yeah, they would 120 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: like bribe people with with yeah, like enough money to 121 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: get drunk for a night, for shares and games. They're 122 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: exactly and it was just a piece of paper. I 123 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: don't give a ship. And then some of these guys 124 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: wind up being a few of the richest people in 125 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: the world who apparently meddled in our election. But after 126 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: hearing about what Manafort has been doing anyway, um so yeah, 127 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: Derri Poshka was one of the bloodiest of the oligarchs 128 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: of this period. Um and in two thousands, Evan he 129 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: was worth well over twenty billion dollars. And that's the 130 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: year that he promised Paul Manafort a hundred million dollars 131 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: to help him start an investment fund called Pericles. Now, 132 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: Manafort took at least nineteen million dollars of Derri Poshka's 133 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: money and bought maybe nothing with it, So he was 134 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: supposed to be using this money to purchase a telecom 135 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: firm for this investment company, because he was hoping the 136 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: firm would you know, appreciate in value. That price tag 137 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: included seven point three five million and management fees for 138 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: Paul um. But right after the purchase, the global economy 139 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: collapsed and Derri Poshka was suddenly worth a whole lot 140 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: less than he had been um So dry Poshka asks 141 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: for his money back, and it turns out that Paul 142 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: Manafort doesn't have the money and also didn't buy the 143 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: firm that he said he bought, so they can't even 144 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: sell the firm. Like it. It seems like he just 145 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: stole nineteen million dollars from this blood drenched Russian billionaire um. 146 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 1: Which what is funny about this is that like, yeah, 147 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: this is all crazy and evil, but I don't care 148 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: that someone stole nineteen million dollars from that guy. I 149 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: don't care at all. No, But but he's bad, I 150 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: keep saying bad. I mean, yeah, I don't know what's 151 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: the word what he's amused to describe these people? I 152 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: don't know. Ye, Bastard is a good starter term. This 153 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: story makes it because if you remember from part one 154 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: we were talking about there's a rumor that he's basically 155 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: stole ten million dollars, right Ferdinand Marcos, the dictator of 156 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: the Philippines, and Paul denies it, but this makes it. 157 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: Of course he did that. This is what he does. 158 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: He steals money from terrible people and assumes he'll be 159 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: fine because they will probably need him in the future. 160 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: A hit out on him now or something like there's 161 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: got to be There's no way to confirm it, but 162 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: like yeah, right, yeah, um So things start to go 163 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: off the rails for Paul Manafort at this point because 164 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: in spite of all of the money coming in from Yanukovich, 165 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: which was at least twelve point five million by like 166 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: the mid oughts uh in the nineteen million dollars he 167 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: stole from dey Poshka, Paul was deep in debt. This 168 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: is because he loved debt and thought anyone who wasn't 169 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: even debt was a sucker. He took out a fifteen 170 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: million dollar loan or fifteen million dollars in loans over 171 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: a two year period, backed by his real estate, which 172 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: the experts say is a classic money laundering tactic. Robert 173 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: Mueller's indictment alleged that Manafort actually led on several loan 174 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: applications in order to get money. So he's he's committing 175 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: shiploads of crimes and just assuming no one will ever 176 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: look into it, which in this period of time no 177 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: one is looking into it. He's just getting loans left 178 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: and right, and millions of dollars and buying houses and 179 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: horse stables. He's fine, um, But he wound up being 180 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: in real trouble in November of two thousand and thirteen, 181 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: when crowds assembled in Kiev's Independent Square, better known as 182 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: the Maidan. These protesters were angry that President Yanukovich had 183 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: decided to back out of signing an association agreement with 184 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: the EU in favor of closer relations with Putin's Russia. 185 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: So Yanukovich sent his elite bar Kut riot police in 186 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: to disperse the protesters. They did this with tremendous violence. 187 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: This sparked more protests and brought a wider swath of 188 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: the population out into the street, including the parents of 189 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: the kids who had first been beaten for protesting. Things 190 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: got out of hand very quickly, like as out of 191 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: hand as they could possibly get. Within a few weeks, 192 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: the protests had turned from protests into people building an 193 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: ice fortress in the center of Ukraine's capital Um. This 194 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: fortress had like the resources of a small city, including 195 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: communal kitchens, restrooms, media areas of library, medical tents, and catapults. 196 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: So these protesters are like fighting against the dictator in 197 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: the center of his capital city, with like police laying 198 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: siege to them, and like ice walls that they're defending 199 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: with catapults throwing hundreds of molotov I was This is 200 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: one of the first stories I ever covered. And there 201 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: are videos you can find of police tanks trying to 202 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: ram the walls of this fortress and then throwing so 203 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: many Molotov cocktails that the tank's treads melt to the ground. 204 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: It's nuts. The Ukrainian Revolution of two fourteen is one 205 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: of the craziest looking protest movements you will ever see. Yeah, 206 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: it's fucking nuts. Um and the berkout like these police 207 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: that he's turned in essentially his gestapo, are doing things 208 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: like arresting people they suspect of supplying this protest camp 209 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: and stripping them naked and throwing them into the snow 210 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: in the middle of the Ukrainian winter, which is like 211 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: there's no that's this winter gets right and some people 212 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: die doing this, Like so the fortress is the protesters 213 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: or the tanks, or the fortress is the protests, the 214 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: tanks or the government, which would make sense, but still 215 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: a fortress. And it's such a nuts protest that people 216 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: hate Yanukovich so much in Ukraine that there are Nazis 217 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: fighting alongside Jewish people and communists against the government, like 218 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: it was. It was that kind of fucking crazy, like 219 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: like everyone can agree, we gotta get this fucker out 220 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: of office. Um. So it's it's like that's how much 221 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: people hate him within western Ukraine. He's actually pretty popular 222 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: in the east. Um. And again, Paul manifort strategy for 223 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: trying to build popularity for the Yunukovich regime was to 224 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: exacerbate the and emphasized sort of the differences between the 225 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: East and the West, because the East part of the 226 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: Ukraine liked Russia wanted to be closer with Russia, and 227 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: the West like the EU more and wanted to be 228 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: closer to the EU. And so his big strategy for 229 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: Yanukovich was played the East and shipped on the West 230 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: as much as possible and get the two sides of 231 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: the country angry at each other because that will ensure 232 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: more popularity for you. So that's big Paul Manaforce. Whole 233 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: strategy is to incite civil unrest within the country in 234 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: order to make things. Yeah. So this is how Paul 235 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: Manafford suggests playing Ukraine and exactly what Yanukovich does. Uh. 236 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: In December, when all of this is really hitting a 237 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: point of crazy escalation, Paul Manafort sends a text to 238 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: his daughter Andrea. He says Obama's approval ratings are lower 239 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: than Yanukovich is, and you don't see him being ousted. 240 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: So that's his him figuring it's going to be okay, 241 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: because for him it has to be okay because he 242 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: is so deep in debt that if he doesn't keep 243 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: getting the millions of dollars he's getting from dictator. Yeah, 244 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: exactly from this dictator. This is good whale right now. 245 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: If this money train stops, he's fucked. So he just 246 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: tells himself it's going to be fine. Crazy And you 247 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: said that he likes debt. Couldn't he just pay this 248 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: debt off? No, because he's spending his money as soon 249 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: as he makes it he's buying houses without even looking 250 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: at them. He did, like he said, he does stuff 251 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: like when his daughter says she wants to learn horseback writing, 252 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: he buys her a star and he has purebred horses 253 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: flown in from Ireland along with a full time staff 254 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: to take care of Like that's how he's spending money, 255 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: and so everything is flying out of his hands as 256 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: quickly as possible. Before this point, he's he urged the 257 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: Yanukovich to exacerbate tensions between East and West in order 258 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: to really solidify his reign. And when this protest movement 259 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: starts picking up steam, he advises him to start brutally 260 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: suppressing the protesters, which you can debate on how much 261 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: suggestion Yanukovich needed to do that, because he's a pretty 262 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,479 Speaker 1: bad guy himself. Well, but even to make the suggestion 263 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: is crazy. Yeah, And we'll get into who says that 264 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: he did that a little bit later, because it's pretty damning. 265 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: Um So. In January and February fourteen, the Ukrainian Revolution 266 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: escalated to a point of true insanity. I conducted dozens 267 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: of interviews with protesters during this period, people who reported 268 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: being beaten with truncheons and shot with rubber bullets at 269 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: point blank range. One of the guys that was interviewing 270 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: at one point, I asked him what he planned, because 271 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: he was a guy like driving cars full of supplies 272 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: into this place and out and like avoiding the police 273 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: on the streets while it happened. And I asked him, like, 274 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: what he planned to do if the police came after him, 275 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: and he just pulled a revolver out that he had 276 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: in his jacket and said, like, this is what I 277 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: planned to do if the police come me. And I 278 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: never talked to that guy again. I tried to. I 279 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: don't know what happened to him. A lot of people 280 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: disappeared during this period of time, and he's one of 281 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: the people I've never gotten back in touch with. I 282 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: don't know what happened. Um So, from February eighth to 283 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: the twenty, President Yanukovich took the gloves off, possibly at 284 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: Paul Manifort's behest. In two days, his police shot nearly 285 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: a hundred protesters dead. The police advanced in huge numbers, 286 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: and a giant medieval battle was raged over the my 287 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: on Ice Fortress. A lot of it was streamed live, 288 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: and I remember watching the last few minutes before the 289 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: signal cut off protesters. Their ice walls had been torn 290 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: down and broken apart by the police, so they had 291 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: built a wall of fire and were burning all of 292 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: their structures in tents and in the middle of the 293 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: Ukrainian Winner. One of the last things I saw was 294 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: people stripping off their jackets and clothing in the frigid 295 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: cold and throwing it into the fire to try and 296 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: keep the fire going, to keep the fire going and 297 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: the police away. So this is how fucking insane. It 298 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: looked like the end of the damn world. Um, but 299 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: it worked. They succeeded in raising so much unrest in 300 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: the western part of Ukraine that President Yanukovich had to 301 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: flee the country for Russia. UM. So they ousted their 302 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: president and of course a civil war immediately sparked right 303 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: after that. Essentially a big chunk of the east declared 304 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: itself a separate country, and Russian backed separatists is the 305 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: term you'll hear for these guys. A lot of them 306 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: are Russian soldiers who would just take off their uniform 307 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: patches and walk across. This is when Russia and X 308 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: is the CRIMEA. All of this stuff happens and this 309 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: whole East West divide that led to a civil war 310 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: that's killed ten thousand people in counting, was again Paul 311 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: Manafort saying, you should exacerbate the divide between East and 312 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: West in order to increase your own power. So you 313 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: can credibly say Paul Manafort had a major role in 314 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: sparking the Ukrainian Civil War because it it kind of 315 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: happened as a result of Yanukovich following his advice again 316 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: not to take credit for being a monster from Yanukovich away, 317 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: because he's a piece of ship too. But Paul Manafort 318 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: has a lot of blood on his hands, is on site. 319 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: Um so yeah, by the end of February two, that's 320 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: in fourteen, Yanukovich is out in the country. Is no 321 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: longer safe for Paul Manafort, which was a problem because 322 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: his office right next to the IDA was filled with 323 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: papers that showed he'd been paid millions of dollars that 324 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: he hadn't reported yet to anyone, including the US government, who, 325 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: thanks to that Fassa Act that we heard about in 326 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: the first part, you have to register when you're working. 327 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: Manafort hadn't, and he hadn't been reporting these payments, and 328 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: he hadn't been paying taxes on these payments. We'll get 329 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: into more. I mean, I mean, everything is so awful 330 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: that I'm like, I don't even Yeah, the tax fraud thing, 331 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's what will bring him down because we 332 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: live in a topsy tervy society where everything else he 333 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: did was fine. Um anyway, Yeah, So around two fourteen 334 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: is when Paul Manaford's life starts to come off the 335 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: fucking rails. His daughters catch him having an affair with 336 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: a woman thirty years younger than him. He'd apparently paid 337 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: for his mistresses nine thousand dollar a month apartment in Manhattan. 338 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: He bought her a house in the Hampton's. He had 339 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: also given her an American Express card and let her 340 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: spend however much she wanted. During this time, his mistress 341 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: went on a friend's podcast and said, quote, I only 342 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: go to luxury restaurants and then talked about how fancy 343 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: her life was. This is part of how his daughters 344 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: found out about. Yeah. So when his daughters go to him, 345 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: Manafort apologizes to them and promises to clean up his act. 346 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: And then six months later they catch him cheating again 347 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: with the same woman because she posted about one of 348 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: their trips on Instagram. Yes, it's so crazy to be 349 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: so so savvy with manipulating people and to be so 350 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: stupid at the same time. Yeah, there's some people who 351 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: are like George Bush is a very specific piece of ship. 352 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: He was a piece of ship in a couple of 353 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 1: specific ways, but the rest of the time, like as 354 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: a parent, as a husband and stuff, nobody has any complaints. 355 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: Paul Manifort is comprehensively a piece of shpe top to bottom, 356 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: top to bottom, going for the gold and every single kid. 357 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: How can I be the worst person I can possibly be? 358 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: I think even it's funny daily question. On the last 359 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: part one, we talked about how his daughter was conceived 360 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: between conference calls and thinking about that a little bit 361 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: more like, initially I thought that that's a crazy thing 362 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: to tell your daughter, and it's crazy alone to just 363 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: be like, hey, you know how we were conceived. Ever 364 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: do you even say that? That's disgusting? Like, you know, 365 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: your mom and I had sex at this specific place 366 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: and that's where you came from. Oh man, Yeah, yeah, 367 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: So this is as good a time as any to 368 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: talk about Paul Manaforts lovely daughters. Now we're fortunate enough 369 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: that several Ukrainian hackers managed to steal his daughter Andrea's 370 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: text message records, and in fact I haven't had a 371 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: chance to use them for this episode, but just today 372 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: someone posted a searchable database of the Maniford texts. You 373 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: can really yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's fantastic. WikiLeaks refused 374 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: to publish a lot of them for really, yeah, because 375 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: they're shady. Use WikiLeaks is shady, yeah, yeah yeah, but 376 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: they're out there and they're amazing. In these texts, which 377 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: Paul Manifort himself has said are legitimately text from his 378 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: daughter and him. In these texts, Andrea tells her sister 379 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: Jessica that their dad has quote no moral or legal compass. 380 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: Don't fool yourself, She says. The money we have is 381 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: blood money. So yeah, Andrea sounds nice when you hear 382 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: that part, right, it does. And in her text to 383 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: her friends and family, Andrea implicates her father in the 384 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: murder of a hundred Ukrainian protesters. Quote, you know, he 385 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: has killed people in Ukraine knowingly as a tactic to 386 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: outrage the world and get focused on Ukraine. Remember when 387 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: there were all those deaths taking place a while back. 388 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: She's talking about all the people who are killed those 389 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: two days in the my dawn about a year ago, 390 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: revolts and whatnot. Do you know that whose strategy that 391 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: was to cause that, to send those people out and 392 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: get them slaughtered. He is a sick, fucking tyrant. And 393 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: we keep showing up and dancing for him. We just 394 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: keep showing up and eating the lobster. Nothing changes. Wow. Yeah, 395 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: so you hear that, and you you kind of like 396 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: Andrea and you think maybe evil skipped generation. We're going 397 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: to get a little bit deeper into her personality. But 398 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: first advertisements capitalism also by Doritos. All right, adds and 399 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: we're back, uh, and we're talking about Andrea Maniffort, Paul 400 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: Manafford's lovely daughter who has just at this point it 401 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: seems great, Yeah, because she's calling yourself where she knows 402 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: their money's blood money. She's implicated her father in the 403 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: deaths of a hundred people, mad at her dad, trying 404 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 1: to be her dad. That's how it seems. That's how 405 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: it seems. Now we're going to get into the conversations 406 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: and text messages that she sent during the election. Okay, um, yeah, 407 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: So here is a conversation from March seventeen, sixteen, Jessica 408 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: man Afford, guess who called dad last night and asked 409 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: him to run his conventions? Donald Trump? Andrea Manaford. Mom 410 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: told me he was going to call dad. She told 411 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: me to get ready for Trump to be president and 412 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: picked the position in the White House I want, Jessica. 413 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: Dad gave him his list of requirements and so long 414 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: as he can fulfill the list, Dad accepted. So that's 415 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: super charming. She's just their mom immediately promised them jobs 416 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: in the White House because Paul Manafort is going to 417 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: be running Donald Trump's campaign. Yeah, they're all excited about that. Um, 418 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: everyone wants a job. I should note that in two 419 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, Paul Manaford had something of a breakdown after 420 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: he was caught cheating a second time. This may have 421 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: had something to do with the fact that he was 422 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: running out of money. He threatened suicide over the phone 423 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: to his daughters and wound up at a clinic in Arizona, 424 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: and that's when those texts that were very negative towards 425 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: Paul Manafort were sent. So maybe that they're just angry 426 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: that the money train had stopped and that their dad 427 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: was being whiny to them, which is maybe why they're 428 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: more friendly later on, so we'll see. Uh. And when 429 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: he got out, obviously gets out of this this clinic thing, 430 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: Paul goes shopping for despots because he needed money and 431 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: the only thing he knows that to do is help 432 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: authoritarian strongman. And everyone turned him down because the Ukraine 433 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: had been a really high profile funk up for him, 434 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: So I should say everyone turned him down until he 435 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: went to Donald Trump, who was of course his old client, 436 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: as we discussed, and also why in campaign, Yeah, well 437 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: he was also rinching a room from him. Every murderer 438 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: said no, yeah, okay, okay, no, no, it's okay, and 439 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: it's great because he reached out to Donald Trump and 440 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: asked if he could work on his campaign and stuff like. 441 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: And when he started doing that, he was talking to 442 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: his friends about it, and his friends all said the 443 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: same thing, which was basically, Paul, you are the shadiest 444 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: man in the world. You commit crimes constantly. The last 445 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: thing you should do is get involved in a presidential election. 446 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: There's no way that this sends well for you. But 447 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: he did it anyway. Um, when he offers to work 448 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: on the Trump campaign, he offers to do it for 449 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: free because obviously, like again, he got his start because 450 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: he helped Reagan win and then helped place people in 451 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: the Reagan White House and then Bobby that's what he's 452 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: planning to do again, right, So he doesn't whatever money 453 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: Donald could legally offer him is not going to help him, 454 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: so he just offers to do it for free. Um 455 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: And on May nineteen, two and sixteen, he becomes Donald 456 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: Trump's official campaign manager. But even before that point, he 457 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: was a big part of the Trump operation, which we 458 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: know because of what his daughter Andrea texted to a 459 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: friend in March twenty nine. Friend, I'm not paying enough 460 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: attention to really form an opinion, but yeah, I think 461 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: economy makes sense. I just hate what an asshole Trump is. 462 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: In the process, she's clearly saying, like you have you've 463 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: been paying attention anyway. Andrea says, well, hopefully my dad 464 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: will help scale that back. That's part of the reason 465 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: he was brought on. He's refusing payment because he doesn't 466 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: want to be viewed as Trump's employee, only having his 467 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: expenses covered. He's involved purely because he wants to help 468 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: the country and he thinks Trump is best, so long 469 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: as Trump gets trained a bit. PS. This is all 470 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 1: top secret, so please do not repeat your texts are 471 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: never top secret. Andrea, dude, he is second in command, 472 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: perhaps arguably running it. The campaign manager is all for show. 473 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,719 Speaker 1: Korey Lowandowski doesn't do ship. Trump has been managing his 474 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: own campaign. And Andrea's view of things, which is probably 475 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: the view of things Paul wanted to present to his daughter. 476 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: He's a master puppeteer controlling Donald Trump on a string. 477 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: For the sake of portraying the full picture, I've decided 478 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: to include some other recollections of Donald Trump and Paul 479 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: Manaforts working relationship. Our first source is this fantastically named 480 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: Business Insider article. Trump reportedly once ordered his helicopter to 481 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: fly low so he could stay on the phone to 482 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: yell at Paul Manafort's incredible. That says a lot. That 483 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: editor is great. Yeah, that's that's the best title. Now, 484 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: this is all based on Korey Lewandowski's memoir, so it 485 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: should be taken with as much salt as what Andrea says. 486 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: Neither of them are reliable narrators in this. But this 487 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: is the other view of things, is that Trump's angry 488 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: at him a lot um. Lewandowski says that he was 489 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: angry in this specific incident because Maniford had advised Trump 490 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: not to go on TV after doing something dumb. Trump 491 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: cursed him out and said, I know guys like you 492 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: with your hair and your skin. These people they're just garbage, 493 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: not even good at being funny. Now, think if you're 494 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: that evil, you would at least be funny, you know 495 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: what I mean? No, the charming evil guy is a Mr. Scheming, 496 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: And none of them are like Hans Gruber, where you're like, 497 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: you're so bad, but you are so satisfying to listen. 498 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: I want them to have at least like cute catchphrases. No, 499 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: none of that ship um so yeah. Lewandowski claims Trump 500 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: was infuriated after a New York Times article came out 501 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: that suggested members of Trump's campaign went on TV to 502 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: talk to their boss. The articles like Paul Manafort showing 503 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: up on CNN so that Trump will listen to what 504 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: he says because he did, like that was what the 505 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: New York Times was alleging. Uh, and Trump reportedly said, 506 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: you think you've got to be on TV to talk 507 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: to me? You treat me like a baby. Am I 508 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: like a baby to you? I sit there like a 509 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: little baby and watch TV and you talk to me, 510 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: Am I a fucking baby? Paul? This happened during the elections. 511 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: That's what Kory Lowandowski says. Yeah, Wow, Trump, It's like 512 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: this with everybody who works for him, right. I I 513 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: have no trouble believing that both sides of this could 514 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: be true, that Paul Manafort was manipulating Trump and that 515 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: Trump also accused him of treating him like a little baby. 516 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: So it seems like a campaign manager's job is to 517 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: treat the candidate like a baby because they know and 518 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: you don't. I mean, not that I'm defending. Yeah, Like 519 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: I said, his work with Trump is the least terrible 520 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: thing he's done in this story. Yeah. Um so. Andrea's 521 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: text again represent I think what Manafort wanted her to believe, 522 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: and that said. Here's what she said to a friend 523 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: on a seventh The friend asked, is Paul getting a 524 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: bigger role? Seems like it. Andrea said, you're surprised. I 525 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: told you this was the game. You think Paul does 526 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: anything in moderation? Friend? And like, if Trump gets elected, 527 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: guess who's going to be chief of staff? Andrea, he 528 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: would never accept. Friend. Too many skeletons in his closet, Andrea, 529 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: too constrictive. Paul is a lone wolf, has to go 530 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: his own way, do what he wants and how he wants. 531 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: He doesn't have room for other people in their needs 532 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: once Friend, Yeah, that sounds about right, Andrea. He likes 533 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: the challenge. That's why he's doing this. It's a game 534 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,239 Speaker 1: for him. He isn't being paid. Friend, man, I bet 535 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: he's loving it. Andrea. This is pure sport. He's a 536 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 1: power hungry egomaniac. Yes, he is loving it conclusively. Him 537 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: and Trump are perfect allies for this agenda. It's so weird. 538 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: He is my dad. It's just weird, Like my dad 539 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: doesn't seem that smart, Like he is smart, but I 540 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: know I'm smarter than him. Friend, I don't doubt that 541 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: he's a master manipulator, which seems pretty key, Andrea. He 542 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: is very manipulative. I did inherit that ability, but I 543 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: don't exploit it like he does. I know his tactics. 544 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: They aren't that brilliant, but they do work. Friend. Yes, 545 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: you're right, you have a moral conscious, but she meant conscience, Andrea, 546 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: Like he just tells you the sky is green, over 547 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: and over, and eventually you are like, is it. I 548 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: don't possess the ability to just lie like he does. Friend, Yeah, 549 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: he works his charm, Andrea. It's confidence. When you save 550 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: something unwaveringly, people start to believe it. Friend. I mean, yeah, 551 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: that's what got Trump where he is today. Andrea, Yep, perfect, allies. 552 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: Trump probably has more morals than my dad, which is 553 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: really just saying something about my dad. My dad is 554 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: a psycho. Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. At least 555 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: Trump let his wives leave him. Plus, Trump has been 556 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: a good father, Andrea, which that's kind of heartbreaking if 557 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: you consider Donald Trump a good father compared to your dad. 558 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: At least Trump let his wives leave him. There's like 559 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: nothing for me to get into specifically about that, but 560 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: like something horrifying is happening that we don't even know 561 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: about yet. At least he lets his wives leave him. Yeah, 562 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, then what is Paul manafor doing to 563 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: his wife? I don't know. Um, I assumed wrapping her 564 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: at the very least. Yeah. I assume Andrea is gonna 565 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: because of something she texts later. I assume we'll get 566 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: a book from her eventually, that's her side of what 567 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: was going on when she decides anyway, Uh, Andrea, Trump 568 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: waited a little too long, in my opinion, but I 569 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: can attest to the fact that he has now hired 570 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: one of the world's greatest manipulators. I hope my dad 571 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: pulls it off. Then I can sell my memoir with 572 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: all his dirty little secrets for a pretty penny. So 573 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: why do you think she's going to write a book? Yeah, 574 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: she's not great. It's so funny the difference in tone 575 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: between those two conversations. Yeah, she literally said the exact 576 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: same things, one of them being mad, one of them 577 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: thinking it's cool. Yeah, exactly, and she clearly thinks it's 578 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: cool now that he's helping to put a guy in 579 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: charge of her. Here. Uh, here's another thing. She texts 580 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: on April twelve, Andrea to a friend, By the way, 581 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: if you want to exploit my dad to better your career, 582 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: please let me know a friend. Are you serious, Andrea, 583 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: completely friends, I wouldn't be opposed to exploiting him. Andrea, 584 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: I am on a business l basis with my dad, 585 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: which is another heartbreaking. In another exchange, a friend whose 586 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: dad worked at lockeed. Martin asks Andrea to talk to 587 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: her dad so the campaign could reach out to them, 588 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: since Locked didn't want to be seen as reaching out 589 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: to Trump but wanted to talk. Andrea said she was 590 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: happy to be a quote conduit and this quote pretty 591 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: much gives you her home moral compass. Andrea totally get it. 592 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: Not every day you know the man behind the man 593 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: got to exploit it, which is why I'm happy to help, 594 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 1: because fuck it. Hopefully someone can benefit to my relationship 595 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: to the Count of Monty Cristo, which is what Paul 596 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: Manafford's nickname was in DC for a while, the Count 597 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: of Money Christmas people called him in like the eighties 598 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: and nineties. Shad's a bad nickname. These people are bad 599 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: at everything, manipulating governments. Yeah. After he resigned as Trump's 600 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: campaign manager on August nine, sixteen, because it was revealed 601 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: that he had been taking millions of dollars in payments 602 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: from a Ukrainian dictator without Yeah, that that all got 603 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: That's why he had to leave. Andrea claimed that it 604 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: was basically a fake Risik nation and he was still 605 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: active behind the scenes. Quote, yes, for sure. He said that. 606 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: In the next few weeks, we should hopefully be seeing 607 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: a new Trump, so to speak. Last night's speech was 608 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: a speech my dad had been pushing him to make 609 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: for several weeks, and since it was so well received, 610 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: he thinks Trump will be more responsive to doing things 611 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: a bit differently. Later, friend, thoughts go out to your pops. 612 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: I can only imagine that he's relieved, angry, hurting, a 613 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: combination of a lot of emotions. Wishing you and your 614 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: family the best. Andrea, ha ha ha, You're so silly. 615 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: It's all just pr I don't like Andrea. No, I 616 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: don't like her at all. People are all garbage. I mean, 617 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: she turned out better than her dad, but that's a 618 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: low bar. I mean, yeah, that's a low bar. I 619 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: don't even know what to say. It's just so ter 620 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: every time something happens, I just don't there's nothing to say. 621 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: It's like, yep, that's shitty, just a big old garbage pile. 622 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: How old is Andrea at this point? And I think 623 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: she was born eighty four, so she's like thirty four. Um, 624 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: she's a grown up. Yeah, she's a grown up, and 625 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: she got the horses. Her sister, Jessica, has been in 626 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: some movies Jessica Manafort. You can find her at IMDb. 627 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: Some of like the high school days or days moved 628 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: da Z like like that ship and Paul Manafort subsidized 629 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: that with millions of dollars. Yeah, she got to be 630 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: a producer and a bunch of stuff. Yeah. He helps 631 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: his little girls make their dreams come true with dictator money. 632 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: So uh, Andrea did not text about the June nine, 633 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: two sixteen Trump Tower and meeting Manafort held with Donald 634 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: Trump junior, Jared Kushner, and a lawyer connected to the 635 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: Russian government. The instensible purpose of that meeting was so 636 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: the campaign could received leaked info about Hillary Clinton. According 637 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: to Manafort, they quickly realized the meeting was actually about 638 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: the appeal of the Magnitsky Act, which basically sanctioned a 639 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: bunch of super rich Russians because they murdered a guy 640 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: who was investigating their corruption. Um, the Russians want that removed. 641 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: And then Manafort just his claim is that no, we 642 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: just want to dirt on Hillary Clinton. And they started 643 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: talking about this, and so we the meeting was a 644 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: nothing burger. Anyway, This gets us caught up to the 645 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: stuff that most people actually know. Uh, Paul Manafort, you know, 646 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: helped Donald Trump on his way to power again. You know, 647 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: that's not the worst thing he did. Uh. It is, however, 648 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: the thing that finally tore his world apart. Since two 649 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen, he went from yeah, funding his daughters 650 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: in their dreams to being able to provide nothing more 651 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: than hot dogs and no ice for Andrea's wedding reception 652 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: and ceasing all funding of Jessica's artistic career. So the 653 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: money train is stopped for the Maniford daughters. Unfortunately, that 654 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: hot dogs and no ice thing, is that a line 655 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: that you wrote or he had? He eliminated a line 656 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: item on her wedding budget for ice and suggested that 657 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: they use hot dogs in the reception. Because he doesn't 658 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: have he he didn't have the money. He doesn't have 659 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: the money anymore. It's got a lot of lawyers right 660 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: now fu him. I know, this is one of those 661 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: rare stories where he's up and it looks like he's 662 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,719 Speaker 1: going to get his come up, and because he just 663 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: fucked up too hard, and if he just stayed away 664 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: from Donald Trump a little bit less like a rich 665 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: guy for a up of years, none of this would 666 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: have been found out. But because he gets that public 667 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: people find out about the Ukraine stuff, and it just 668 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 1: starts this avalanche of shit um. Last July, federal agents 669 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: rated his home, frisked his wife, and took a shipload 670 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: of his records. In February, a federal grand jury handed 671 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: down a combined thirty two indictments for Paul and Manafort 672 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: and Rick Gates, his assistant. Paul faced quote, seven counts 673 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial records, 674 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: five counts of bank fraud conspiracy, and four counts of 675 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: bank fraud. So he is committing some fucking I mean, 676 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: he'd been committing these crimes for years now, people give 677 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: a ship. One of the many things that got him 678 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: in trouble is obviously he hadn't registered as a foreign 679 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: agent under FASSA. He tried to in two thousands seventeen 680 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: uh and officially filed that he had made more than 681 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: seventeen million or so from Yanukovich, but we know it's 682 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: a lot more. Uh. Manaport turned himself in and was 683 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: released on ten million dollars bail and given house arrest. 684 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: His two trials were scheduled in Virginia in d c 685 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: in late July and September. Robert Mueller believes that Manafort 686 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: funneled more than seventy five million dollars through afshore accounts. 687 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: So Mueller says even when he registered and said he 688 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: got ninety million, he was lying by a factor of 689 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: like four, and he says. Mueller says that Manafort succeeded 690 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: in landering about thirty million dollars of that by the 691 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 1: time he got caught through a variety of real estate 692 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: transactions and other rich guys shadiness. Mueller says they failed 693 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: to pay taxes on any of this for a decade, 694 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: and also used fraud to get more than twenty million 695 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 1: dollars in bank loans during this period in time. So uh, 696 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: Paul was not about to take being accused of committing 697 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: multiple federal crimes lying down. He got out his trusty 698 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: cell phone while he was on house arrest and started 699 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: texting two people who were working as witnesses against them. 700 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: These people had earlier helped him lobby and we're now 701 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: state's witness against him. Paul Manafort asked them to pretend 702 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: the lobbying work had only been in Europe and not 703 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: in the United States. So that he hadn't violated, you know, fassa. 704 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 1: He also asked them to put in a good word 705 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: for him to several European leaders they'd previously lobbied. These 706 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: guys basically didn't say anything and ignored his calls because 707 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,760 Speaker 1: they we're already talking to the federal government and stuff. 708 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: But Paul kept texting them, and that's how Mueller found 709 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: the text in idiot, fucking idiot, Yeah, like this is Paul. 710 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: We should talk. I have made clear that they worked 711 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,959 Speaker 1: in Europe, and eventually Mueller caught on, and so Paul 712 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: Manafort went from being an house arrested a mansion to 713 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: going to an actual fucking jail. And for a while 714 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: he was in a rich v I P cell with 715 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: a private shower and access to a laptop. But he 716 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: has since been moved to an actual jail where he 717 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: wears a prison jumpsuit, like and he's in jail with 718 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of other people who are in fucking jail. 719 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: Really yeah good, Yeah, here is his fucking mug shot. 720 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: I've seen that. That's a good one. A real fuck ship. 721 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: Fuck you, Paul Manafort. That feels good, It feels great, 722 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: It feels good in a way that we don't get 723 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: off in these days. Also just saying fuck you Paul Manafort. Yeah, 724 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: there's a thing like every now and then I'll just 725 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: say fun Trump on stage when I'm performing, and it's 726 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: not a joke. It does nothing for the show, but god, 727 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: it feels good. It's a little bit of a catharsis 728 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: a day to day at that. Yeah, yeah, fuck fuck 729 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: Trump and fuck Paul Manafort, the fucker behind the fuckers. Yeah, so, 730 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: I guess for a little bit of a rant. As 731 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: I said, I visited Ukraine for the first time in 732 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen. You know, I reported on the revolution 733 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: remotely into in fourteen, and I visited in two thousand fifteen, 734 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: and I interviewed survivors of the might on protests, and 735 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 1: I also reported on the civil war that has since 736 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: broken out in that country. At one point, I found 737 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: myself in a little town called Abdivka, near the front 738 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: lines of the civil war. The Russian back separatists were 739 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: shelling the little town when I arrived, and I spent 740 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: a memorable morning in a city administrative building with a 741 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: bunch of middle aged office workers. The building had been 742 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: hit several times before the bathroom had been collapsed in 743 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 1: by shell fire and most of the windows were gone, 744 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: but it otherwise looked just like any other like small 745 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: government municipal building, like little old ladies with garfield like 746 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: stuffed animals and stuff on their desks. But right now 747 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: and then you'd hear a big hundred and fifty five 748 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: millimeter howit's er fire, and everybody would just tense up 749 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: for a second until you realize the round wasn't going 750 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 1: to land nearby. So Avdeva had been undersiege for about 751 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: a year at that point in the civil war that 752 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: Paul Manaford helped start, and the local government had been 753 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,919 Speaker 1: reduced to basically just handing out plastic sheets to people 754 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: who had their windows shattered by mortar fire, because the 755 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 1: winters are too cold to not have your house sealed, 756 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: so that's all the government can do at this point 757 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: is people are handing in like their ideas and getting 758 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: marked down how much plastic they're getting, and then these 759 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 1: ladies are cutting them pieces of plastic sheeting to take 760 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: back to their house. And at one point, while I'm 761 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: just sitting around interviewing these people, an elderly couple comes 762 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: in and their house had been hit that morning. Um. 763 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: The husband was shaking and couldn't focus his eyes, and 764 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: he had just blood pouring down his forehead, and his 765 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: wife was sort of guiding him into the room, and 766 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 1: she seemed to be the more together of the two. 767 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: It almost looks a little bit like someone has kind 768 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: of like a palsy when they've been very close to 769 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: an artillery barrage, Like it does shake things up in 770 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: their head. And that's how this guy looked at the time. 771 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: I didn't encounter Paul Maniforts name while I was in 772 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: Ukraine reporting on all this, but I realized much later 773 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: than a number of people had talked about him to me, 774 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: Like in the Philippines years before, Manafort had become a 775 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: hated and cursed figure in Kiev. Over and over again, 776 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: people had told me about the carnage that he had 777 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: helped in Cite, but they hadn't used his name. They 778 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: blamed it on an American political technologist. This is the 779 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: term that they used. Um. Now, I've come to really 780 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: like the term political technologist because I think it accurately 781 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: gets it what's inside the head of a man like 782 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: Paul Manafort. To everyone else, politics is about human lives, 783 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,439 Speaker 1: people striving for some case basic necessities, in some case, 784 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: trying to make the world a better place, trying to 785 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: improve the human condition. That's what politics is to normal people, 786 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: to people with souls, to palm man afford politics, a 787 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: political campaign, a regime is like a broken watch or 788 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: a broken appliance, a refrigerator that's busted, and all he 789 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 1: cares about is going in there and doing what he 790 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: needs to fix it and get it working. And it 791 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the machine is or what it does him, 792 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how it's going to be used. His 793 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: job is to get it working. That's the fucking man 794 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: that he is. Wow. I think it's a term we 795 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:15,720 Speaker 1: could stand to use more in our own country. Political technologist. Wow. Anyway, 796 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: that's my podcast. It's a wonderful way to define that. 797 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm just sort of soaking in that phrase. Man. Yeah, 798 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: Ukraine's a lovely country. Do you think that's what they meant? 799 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: That's the term they used. Um. I didn't really know 800 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: what they meant at the time. It was always explained 801 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: to me as their Americans who know how to run 802 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: fancy American style elections, and our guy brought them into 803 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: sort of technologists political technologist. I really like that term 804 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: to um. Yeah, so poem man Aft, I'm straight up 805 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: rocked man. Honestly, I do not appreciate you having me 806 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: on your podcast. I feel horrible now, thank you. This 807 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: is a lot of fun that happens to a lot. Yeah, 808 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: I mean it's a happy ending, and that there's a 809 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: good chance he'll die in prison, right, And that's what 810 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: should happen to Paul Manafort. Absolutely, And if he does 811 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: get out of prison, he piste off that Russian billionaire 812 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: who will definitely have him murdering. Yeah, there are hits 813 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: out on him, definitely, and not just from Russia, yea 814 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: or Ukraine because so many people have to want this 815 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: funker dead, absolutely, at least in the Philippines. I don't 816 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: want him dead yet. I want him to spend the 817 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: rest of his life in prison. And what I want 818 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: to have happen is for his his wife and his 819 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: kids to visit him a couple of times and then 820 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 1: gradually stop, and then no one visits Paul Manafort and 821 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: the world moves on and he's just in prison for 822 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: another thirty or forty years. Well, yeah, and for the 823 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 1: people in prison to slowly find out about what he did, 824 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: because I don't know, I don't know who's in this prison, 825 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: but I would venture a guest that most people in 826 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,240 Speaker 1: that prison don't think it's that cool to incite violent 827 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: revolutions that kill thousands or millions of we're just selling 828 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: some smack or whatever. They're monsters. He is. But even then, 829 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited for when they forget what he did 830 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: and he's just another name, and he's he'll never wear 831 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 1: a fancy suit again, he'll never eat gourmet food again, 832 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: he'll never know the glorious taste of Derrito's ranch cheese. 833 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: He'll he'll just be just a ship heead in bridge, 834 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: just a ship head in prison, and he'll die alone 835 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: and unmourned, and he'll know that. Yeah. Yeah, damn, fuck you. 836 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: Paul Manafford, Fuck you. Paul Manafort so eloquently said, I 837 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: couldn't have come up with a better punishment for him. Yeah, yeah, 838 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: it's it's nice. This is really the only time we've 839 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 1: had other than Caddafi on our podcast so far where 840 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: like a bad guy got what was coming to them. 841 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,720 Speaker 1: Yeah that feels good. Yeah, it feels good. It almost 842 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: never happens, but it feels good when it does, so 843 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,879 Speaker 1: you should plug your stuff. Oh sure, yeah, you can't see. 844 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: But I'm laying down in a bed right now. That's 845 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: the sad bed. It's critical to our operation. Laying on 846 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: a bed reaching above me making coffee. Um I my 847 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 1: name is Dave Ross. I'm a com Dan I tour. 848 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: My website is Dave to the Ross dot com and 849 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: my podcast is Suicide Buddies. It's dark but a lot 850 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,280 Speaker 1: of fun. Yeah, check out Dave Ross and Suicide Buddies 851 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: Suicide Friends. Thanks so much for having me, man, yeah, man, 852 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: thank you for being on. And I'm of course Robert Evans. 853 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at I Write. Okay, 854 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 1: just two letters. I've get a book on Amazon, a 855 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: brief history advice, so check that out too. You can 856 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,400 Speaker 1: find this podcast on the internet at behind the Bastards 857 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: dot com. You can find us on social media at 858 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: Bastards pod. Before We'll have all of this mini sources 859 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: for this article and pictures like Paul Maniffort's glorious mug shot. 860 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, check us out next week. And you know 861 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: I love statistically about you